A drummer really can dictate the sound of a band. Definitely Maybe wouldn't have sounded like it does without Tony on drums. Therefore, he'll always be a part of music history.
@@BP-sk7lp he likes Chris Sharrock...I know he was in Beady Eye in the early years of Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds but he was also in the final lineup of Oasis.
Problem for any drummer in a band like Oasis is the drumming is just not that special or unique. In the early indie days if you could play a syncopated beat that was good enough. Unfortunately that makes them easily replaced.
@@KevinSmithRules Noel came back to the studio and thought the drumming was 'perfect.' When he thought it was another drummer. When in fact it was Tony's playing. Noel just didn't like Tony. He needed a scapegoat. Is it any wonder that Guigsy (who kissed Noel's ass), Bonehead and Alan eventually left the band? Liam was always known as the 'difficult' member, but it's pretty telling that previous band members still associate with him. Noel? Not so much...
@@tlhull4460 honestly Noel had every right to replace Tony, ngl he was a real dick about it ahaha. But as a drummer myself I don’t see Tony as anything more than capable of the fundamentals. He was very important for making the sound but he wouldn’t have been able to play the more complex drum grooves from MG and BHN
Well considering that very simple rifff took Tony the entire session to cut, and had to be told exactly what to play, meh.... if Alan was in the band since day one, I bet Definitely Maybe would still have been just as good or better.
Tony was solid and consistent. His lack of flashiness on the kit is what created the Oasis sound. If Guigsy was friends with a jazz drummer and they played with him at first, things would have went down a completely different path. Tony set the course.
When they where in the recording studio he wasn’t very consistent and they wasted a lot of time sorting out drum parts unlike Whitey who would sort the drums out in no time and on top of that he played the same snare kick snare kick kick pattern on every song
Great video and I’m more than impressed with how you got yourself around the UK that’s dedication! I’m a big fan of Oasis and of NG and LG but i’ve always felt their treatment of Tony McCarroll was just so wrong. I found my original copy of Definitely Maybe last month and my son who’s 15 and I have been listening to it non-stop in the car ever since. Not only is there nothing wrong with the drumming on that record, it is absolutely crucial to the record’s success. There is a lot of crap that has been spun around Tony that just shouldn’t be allowed to stand. If you listen to the album Live By The Sea he plays really well all the way through. More to the point, Owen Morris is quoted in print as saying Tony had great timing..almost unnaturally good and he hit really hard and consistently. That’s a very different story to the one that is spun since Tony was fired. It’s debatable as to whether he would’ve been right for WTSMG but I’ve always felt it was wrong of Noel to pretty much trash any career Tony might have had post Oasis by making him out to be damaged goods. It’s clear Noel never liked Tony and perhaps because Tony was the only one in the band who was a father , he felt capable of standing up to him and obviously Noel never forgave him. Noel should’ve just cited musical differences and given him a decent slice of the earnings and moved on, that would have been the honourable thing to do. Either way if you like Definitely Maybe you have to accept that Tony was the right drummer for that record end of story. The drumming is solid,, he hits hard and he keeps it punk and it’s sold 8 million copies.. I rest my case!
There's nothing on Morning Glory that Tony couldn't have played, it's not like there's any complicated beats on there. I think the thing is, Tony wasn't a session drummer so he might not get things right instantly, maybe just a bit more patience was necessary
@@Willie.B.Hardigan Watching the video of what they call "Oasis` Disastrous American Gig" though, his drumming that night, live and in more difficult circumstances than a controlled studio setting, sounded pretty great to me, and the other guys looked happy enough with him. Not sure how anyone can "hide" a drumming mistake, either, it would be clearly and definitely maybe heard.
You nailed it!! I'm from Sheffield and this was during my time. I'm 45 now, seen the band only twice, both at the Sheffield Arena, but I've always followed the band non-the-less. For me too, Tony McCarrol was the heartbeat of the band. Even now when I listen to them, past, present and live. Shame ego's got in the way. Just like Pink Floyd;
The best band on the planet with Tony... I saw them in Sweden at the Hultsfred Festival in the summer of 1994 and I've loved that version of Oasis ever since. Definitely Maybe (album plus b sides) Whatever (single) Some Might Say (single) Thats Oasis to me!
That was a really great piece of work. Genuinely impressed. I am of an age that I remember where I was hearing Slide Away, before the first album was released. You've really understood the band and given me insights I wouldn't have garnered otherwise. So subscribed.
Its funny how many comments say it was Bonehead that made the sound... it was Tony... it was Guigsy... the obvious Noel's songs and Liam's signature vocals... sounds like it all adds up to a band with phenomenal musical chemistry to me. And that matters so much more than virtuosity. That made Oasis sound like Oasis.
The original band line up made the best album. In my opinion. Although the subsequent albums were still very, very good, they weren’t as good as Definitely Maybe. Plus I didn’t get the same vibe from Oasis after Tony was sacked. He was a huge part of the punky and hard edged sound they had in the early days. Songs like Fade Away, Headshrinker and Bring it on Down are my favourites.
I been drumming since I was 7, and can properly play. But DM drumming is better than anything I could ever come up with. All quarter notes and eighth notes. All simple. All driving rock. All brilliant. I would have ruined it with 16th note fills and over thinking. There’s a lot to learn from the DM story.
What a great video. It was nice that you were able to distinguish the various towns in Greater Manchester that make up the early Oasis story. The city as a whole is changing fast and your documentary serves not only to remember a group of people at a certain point in time but also the places that formed the backbone to these people's story. It was bittersweet to see The Boardwalk mentioned. The Boardwalk, Hacienda, Roadhouse, Sankey's Soap, so on and so on all served to bring a certain appeal to the City only to now be replaced with soulless tower blocks in an unrelenting march to gentrify the place and line someone's pockets.
Cheers. I know what you mean. I have a photo I took in Manchester and, in the photo, the only businesses visible were McDonalds, Texaco, Blockbuster, KFC, and Subway. All American chains mucking up the British landscape.
@@TripleGVideos absolutely....i like him and follow him on social media ...he's a cool lad...though I also love Alan's drumming....still ofc he should be talked about and given the media attention he deserves, and if the band reforms it would be cool to have him
Bring it on Down was the Oasis I loved. I couldn’t care less for the ballads/singer-songwriter stuff that featured Noel singing. I loved the straight up rock/punk vibe
Thank you, sir. It was quite the journey - did it twice and cycled for over 6 months. Highly recommend such a journey to free the mind and re-connect with your soul. I'm always looking out for the drummer...
Ive watched this video about 5 times it’s utterly class you need to make another one of these. Big fan of oasis you should look more into them and try to make another video similar to this.
Gregg Z I’d love to see that too. Smaller bands need to see this video to understand it’s more about the spirit and togetherness of a band as opposed to highly skilled individual musicians clumped together.
Liam should bring Tony Mac back on his 24 gigs. His compact drumming style held the early tunes together like glue. Gaps between songs can be key to letting through the instruments and vocals. Complexity of percussion isnt something Liams vibe really needs.
I saw oasis play Hollywood in 94 at the whisky.... waited for the band ...caught Tony and bonehead and Liam for pictures... got autographs after the show... o ya.. Good times..
Feel really sorry for Tony. Noel, as talented as he is, is clearly a complete a**hole. Guigsy, Bonehead, and Tony were ordinary mild mannered guys who just wanted a quiet life. Even with the fame and fortune, having to deal with Noel's massive ego everyday must have been a nightmare.
Excellent presentation Gregg. Very well done, consistent, believable. and much appreciated. Of course we're not getting Noel's side here. Still a fascinating production on this remarkable group.
I wish they had!! He was the drummer on the best album they ever made. Every subsequent album was just a tiny bit lower in quality. That’s only my opinion though. Not fact guys!!!
That's the thing with DM-era Oasis...the unknowing go on about "Oasis sound like the Beatles" and "Tony couldn't play and just played the same beat on everything", but if you compare the framework of DM-era Oasis to AC/DC, there it all is. Basic heavy drum/bass mix of quarter notes and 8th notes underneath, with the riffs on top. Tony actually played with more variation than Phil Rudd. I'm currently working on Oasis drum cover videos in preparation for getting into Oasis tribute bands and while the other three blitz Tony in the technical stakes, Tony is actually quite hard to "get". There are different degrees of swing that he used and he had this Ringo-esque side swipe on the hat and ride, which in particular made this slight crashing sound on the ride together with every snare hit, which served to make him sound heavier. He only had about three variations of his stock fill, but he had a way of glancing the toms and supported it with the kick underneath. It takes practise to nail that and not just toss it off as "yeah, whatevs, piss easy". Cut a long story short, in closing, you can't just sit down and the kit, bash out "boom-gah-boom-boom-gah" and say "right, that's Tony nailed".
Was never the same after he left, its no coincidence that definitely maybe was there greatest album. The drums on that record were amazing, bring it all down, supersonic especially 👌👌
Word is tho he really struggled with being it on down in the studio.Tho he eventually nailed it ,suddenly inspired to do so on finding out another drummer would b brought in to play it instead
Apparently Bonehead said something to Tony that really wound him up and he went and did the drumming take in one. Good idea. Sometimes an angry drummer is a good drummer.
This was in depth and informed. Solid documentary, much like Tony's drumming. Next time you're in England give me a shout if you don't fancy the Church roof.
The church roof suited me just fine, when it wasn't raining. But I appreciate the hospitable gesture, mate. I got busted sleeping on top of a tool shed at Liverpool Cathedral. I was expecting to be cited, but instead was greeted with, "Hey, mate, we can do you better than that." Nice one, mates
@@TripleGVideos Not many people can claim that.. I slept over night in a park in Spain many years ago. What I didn't know was the sprinklers came on a 6am and one of them was pointed at my face.
I worked with Tony a few years after oasis in the gas utilities industry. Don't know what he's doing now but back then he seemed a normal pleasant guy who worked hard and didn't have a bitter twisted bone in his body. Naturally I had lots of conversations with him about oasis and he was always happy to talk and never said anything too disparaging to say about his former band members and his life as part of a legendary rock band. Hi from Bill North Tony. Hope you ok.
Wow, that was a very deep dive into the Oasis story. I learned a lot. I believe you further reinforced the notion that Liam wasn’t necessarily the “bad boy” in the band. Many examples of Noel being a right twat. Thank you for the informative video.
excellent channel..funny cos I grew up in stockport and my brother lived in burgage around the same time as oasis ! greenhouse rehearsal studios in Heaton norris was my rehearsal place too with many different bands over the years....the fall,james,,stone roses, simply red and many more also rehearsed there !! wow the boardwalk ,...oasis supported us one night when were the main band that night, but at the time we hadn't a clue who they were! lol big nostalgia trip,chorlton,moss-side,fallowfield,etc wow coool!!!!!!! thanx
Good Vid - and yes well put, it is the collection of musicians which create the sound. That is why Definitely Maybe was never matched again. They lost their sound forever when Tony left.
Having been fortunate to see Oasis probably 25 times from the Boardwalk in 93/94 thru to 2009. I can tell you they sounded epic in those first few years with McCarroll banging away. Never came close to that live after he left!!
Tony was crucial in the early days and oasis would've been nothing without him, he suited defiantly maybe more then anyone could've ever dreamed to. But he wouldn't of suited the later stuff, oasis wouldn't have reached the levels they did with Tony's drumming style on morning glory. Tony was wasting studio time and didn't suit the new songs, it was right for him to go when he did
That's quite the discussion, because some great tunes certainly came from the Alan White days. The Zak Starkey days were a wash, with maybe a handful of good tunes at best. White was really smooth and expressive with his drum fills, which can be heard on tracks like "Stay Young". Starkey was more of a straight-forward thumper, like on "Layla". But Tony McCarroll was there when they had no particular sound and no hit songs. His style set the foundation for the first two albums, which are forever classics. Listen to the dance tunes Noel has been making this past year and see that he can definitely use Tony again.
My favourite Oasis song is 'Bring it on down', it's a true I don't give a fuck, I'm me punk tune. I feel its the drumming that truly leads the the feel of this song. Maccarol deserves credit along with the others for what he contributed. I get the feeling that Noel just didn't like him or felt he wasn't cool enough for the band, I know that sounds shallow but if he was cool as fuck and his drumming was the same I think Noel would have let him stay. I heard they really made him feel unwelcome on the last tour and TM must have felt he was on the out. He says it was a shock when he got the call to let him go but I find that hard to believe.
It was just Guigsy and Noel who treated Tony badly. Liam and Bonehead were friends with Tony all along while Tony was in Oasis. They fell out but are friends again now.
He played on the best album Oasis ever made. You can’t say much more than that. His drumming sounds pretty good to me on Definitely Maybe. I think he gets very unfairly criticised. My favourite Oasis songs are all the ones he’s played on. Headshrinker, Fade away, Bring it on down.
While I do think Alan White was technically a better drummer and I like them both, but they didn't treat Tony right at all... It seems there was something more going on other than his "bad drumming." Who knows, maybe someday we'll see a reunion with Bonehead, Liam, and Tony.
Tony is friends with Bonehead and Liam now. I agree with you, his ‘ bad drumming ‘ wasn’t the issue at all. Noel didn’t like the fact that Tony wouldn’t take his crap and would stand up to him.
It’s funny. I grew up in the UK (Northern Ireland) 70s, 80’s and 90’s before moving to the US. But most people are totally unaware in America of the impact Oasis had both in Britain and abroad, but especially in Britain. They truly were a phenomenon. They will never be able to replicate it. They to me captured, or partly created, the essence of mid 90s pop culture in Britain. It’s sad that all good things have to come to an end, and it’s sad how oasis fell apart, almost like an invisible force was pushing against them. The mid 90s were probably the best time in my life and hearing certain oasis songs makes me yearn for those years again and I’m filled with melancholy
Oasis sound was Bonehead style of rythm guitar, and Noel’s songs of course! But it’s true that Tony was the better musician when they were called The Rain, before Noel first coming.
@@SuperDavidGnomo I think Noel may have re-recorded some of the basslines, but I'm doubtful that he would have had time to re-record them all. I posted some notes on this a while back, hopefully this may be of interest. Also it might be useful to note the different versions of Definitely Maybe Version 1: Batchelor sessions Recorded between 8th - 23rd January 1994 at Monnow Valley studio, Wales; Mix attempted between 24th - 27th January 1994 at Olympic Studios, London. Producer: Dave Batchelor. Engineered by Dave Scott. Unreleased. Version 2: Sawmills sessions Recorded 24th February - 4th March 1994 at Sawmills Studios, Cornwall; Mixed on 7th-8th, 11th-13th, 16th-22nd, 24th-25th March 1994 at Eden Studios, London. Co-produced by Noel Gallagher and Mark Coyle. Engineered by Anjali Dutt. Unreleased, but the first mix of these sessions can be found on the Safety Masters set. A mix of Columbia from this session will be on the deluxe edition of Definitely Maybe. Version 3 (released mix by Owen Morris) Recordings from Monnow Valley (Slide Away), Sawmills (most of the album), Loco (some of Liam's vocals), Out of the Blue (Shakermaker) and elsewhere remixed by Owen Morris at Matrix Studios, London (2nd-5th May 1994) and mastered at Clear Studios, Manchester. On whether Guigsy played bass on DM: We don't have complete recording credits for every track on Definitely Maybe... but, putting two and two together from what is known, I think that Noel may have re-recorded some, but perhaps not all, of the basslines on the released version of the album. Rock 'n' Roll Star is a possibility. The Melody Maker article on the making of Definitely Maybe confirms that Rock 'n' Roll Star was one of the tracks that Owen Morris remixed from the Sawmills recording. And yet the original mixes of the Sawmills recording of the track (which can be heard on the Safety Copy of the Definitely Maybe Masters) feature a slightly different, less prominent bassline. I believe this is Guigsy's take. My guess is that maybe when Owen Morris remixed Rock 'n' Roll Star and Columbia (at Loco Studios, 23-24th April 1994) he got Noel to re-record the bassline as well as re-recording Liam's lead vocals on Rock 'n' Roll Star (the album version uses a different vocal take than the original mixes on the safety masters). Also, I'm not sure that Noel would have had time to re-record all the bass parts. As I understand it, by the time Owen Morris got on board, they were running out of time to finish the record and, after approving his work on Rock 'n' Roll Star and Columbia, they let him get on with remixing the remainder of the album whilst they were on tour. Noel mentions in the DM DVD documentary that whilst on tour they would receive mixes on cassette for approval. So I'm not sure how much time Noel would've had by that stage to re-record all of Guigsy's bass lines. I've put a recording timeline on this page, for reference. I think that some confusion may have arisen due to how Owen Morris treated the basslines during mixing: "I put the bass guitar through a Mini Moog synthesiser and used the filter section to take all the top end off and just created a pure low sound… this was necessary and successful because it took away the hits of the notes and therefore hid the imprecise playing." Full interview here. As a result the bass lines on many tracks are, deliberately, less clearly audible than they would've been before. Maybe this got misunderstood by Tony as Guigsy's basslines having been wiped completely...hence the bitter disagreement between them recounted in Tony's book. Or maybe he wrongly concluded that all Guigsy's bass lines had been re-done on the basis of hearing Morris's remix of Rock 'n' Roll Star? Just a theory though!
Met Tony in Tampa, Florida in ‘95 of all places...I’m still here now...when I asked him about it on Twitter he answered & said it was him & that he lived here for a bit after he was out of Oasis.
I now live in New Zealand, but it's quite weird hearing about places in Manchester where you grew up and know well. Going to gigs in town when the scene was really starting to kick off was pretty cool looking back.
From what I hear on Definitely Maybe, I highly doubt McCarroll couldn't have done the style of drumming that White did on What's the Story Morning Glory.
@@mattiemclean9882 yeah, that's all White seemed to do, though .... and he lacked the drive and energy of Tony for my ears ... but White is a fine drummer ...
Perfect analysis.. I am a musician and i can see this. I dont even need to know any of them personally this is 100% agree with. And macaroll with the lazy swing. Thats EXACTLY what no other drummer has replicated. Tony was a good guy.. I think problem is Tony was older and had a kid.. He was more mature, and noel couldnt manipulate him like he could the others. Plus lets say wheb you scared and and Noels things to hide in your own incompetence, its best to shift that problem onto someone else.. Noels 100% egotistic control freak psychopath and a bully... He probably wnated to be everytjig liam is.. And wishes he was liam aswell. Ive heard a thing about noel i hope isnt true... Something very serious and sick. And i could see how their personalities would clash.. Tony wouldnt take shit from Noel and Noel wanted to slowly gain total control of the band. Noel was a dictator ego maniac that stole songs lol. Liam took them songs and turned them into Oasis.
I really don't get why Tony was kicked out. None of them were the best at their instruments, and I think that's what gave the band their sound. Also, I saw you mentioned how Tony was the first sound on the first single. Tony has even said in an interview that him doing that drum beat was the reason Noel wrote Supersonic.
Noel asked Tony to leave because once the sessions for Whats the Story started in Wales, Noel knew Tony wasn't going to be able to drum the new material, as it was more laid back and ballad-oriented. Like it or not Noel was the only songwriter and main influence in the band at that time and he knew better than anyone what was or wasn't going to work, and hate to say it but he was right, and we can all see from how successful the album was. I'm not hating on Tony at all I think he's a great drummer and he set the course for Oasis in those first few years, but they were changing course on the second album and Noel knew it wasn't going to work.
Coming from Manchester and seeing Oasis 7 times live I am impressed with your research mate. Great video. I feel Tony's lack of what some might say (pun intended) buddy richness,actually helps the album. He had a good groove and rawness which suits definitely maybe and songs like supersonic
Love Tony’s drumming on DM perfectly suits the album. Don’t think he had more than that album in him though didn’t have the finesse to evolve over a few albums
Tony Mccarrol's style is evident on Definitely Maybe, their greatest album. What's the Story was good, but Def. Maybe was the rawest form of Oasis. Great Video man. What is the song in the first 5-8 minutes? Thanks for sharing bro.
He was on their best album so he'll always be a part of history. Yes, definitely maybe.
If everybody were a perfect musician we wouldn't have so much of the music that we love
even noel says that this is their best album
Tony needs to be part of the reunion 2025.
A drummer really can dictate the sound of a band. Definitely Maybe wouldn't have sounded like it does without Tony on drums. Therefore, he'll always be a part of music history.
Tone was perfect for that album and a huge part of their early sound.
@@db0800so in my opinion tony should be part of the reunion 2025.
Noel just didn’t like Tony. I think that’s all there is to it.
100percent
@@BP-sk7lp definitely.
@@BP-sk7lp he likes Chris Sharrock...I know he was in Beady Eye in the early years of Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds but he was also in the final lineup of Oasis.
Problem for any drummer in a band like Oasis is the drumming is just not that special or unique. In the early indie days if you could play a syncopated beat that was good enough. Unfortunately that makes them easily replaced.
No, he wasn’t a good enough drummer
Listen to “Bring It On Down” and tell me Tony couldn’t drum. Alan may have had technique, but Tony had the heart and rawness that fit Oasis
Great song
Tony didn’t write the drum intro, Noel was instructing him how to play it and it took him a whole day of recording for him to actually play the groove
@@KevinSmithRules Noel came back to the studio and thought the drumming was 'perfect.' When he thought it was another drummer. When in fact it was Tony's playing. Noel just didn't like Tony. He needed a scapegoat. Is it any wonder that Guigsy (who kissed Noel's ass), Bonehead and Alan eventually left the band? Liam was always known as the 'difficult' member, but it's pretty telling that previous band members still associate with him. Noel? Not so much...
@@tlhull4460 honestly Noel had every right to replace Tony, ngl he was a real dick about it ahaha. But as a drummer myself I don’t see Tony as anything more than capable of the fundamentals. He was very important for making the sound but he wouldn’t have been able to play the more complex drum grooves from MG and BHN
Well considering that very simple rifff took Tony the entire session to cut, and had to be told exactly what to play, meh.... if Alan was in the band since day one, I bet Definitely Maybe would still have been just as good or better.
I never understood what about his Drumming was considered "bad," I never heard a song he was on and thought "oh that sucked"
Tony was solid and consistent. His lack of flashiness on the kit is what created the Oasis sound. If Guigsy was friends with a jazz drummer and they played with him at first, things would have went down a completely different path. Tony set the course.
Same here. I thought his drumming was very good on definitely maybe. Very unfairly criticised in my opinion.
When they where in the recording studio he wasn’t very consistent and they wasted a lot of time sorting out drum parts unlike Whitey who would sort the drums out in no time and on top of that he played the same snare kick snare kick kick pattern on every song
@@TripleGVideos I can hear Neil Peart laughing his bollocks off in Heaven
@@paulmetcalfe1821 Laughing about how Rush never wrote a song as good as Oasis
Great video and I’m more than impressed with how you got yourself around the UK that’s dedication!
I’m a big fan of Oasis and of NG and LG but i’ve always felt their treatment of Tony McCarroll was just so wrong. I found my original copy of Definitely Maybe last month and my son who’s 15 and I have been listening to it non-stop in the car ever since. Not only is there nothing wrong with the drumming on that record, it is absolutely crucial to the record’s success. There is a lot of crap that has been spun around Tony that just shouldn’t be allowed to stand.
If you listen to the album Live By The Sea he plays really well all the way through. More to the point, Owen Morris is quoted in print as saying Tony had great timing..almost unnaturally good and he hit really hard and consistently.
That’s a very different story to the one that is spun since Tony was fired. It’s debatable as to whether he would’ve been right for WTSMG but I’ve always felt it was wrong of Noel to pretty much trash any career Tony might have had post Oasis by making him out to be damaged goods.
It’s clear Noel never liked Tony and perhaps because Tony was the only one in the band who was a father , he felt capable of standing up to him and obviously Noel never forgave him.
Noel should’ve just cited musical differences and given him a decent slice of the earnings and moved on, that would have been the honourable thing to do.
Either way if you like Definitely Maybe you have to accept that Tony was the right drummer for that record end of story. The drumming is solid,, he hits hard and he keeps it punk and it’s sold 8 million copies..
I rest my case!
Well said. I’ve been saying exactly the same thing for years. 👍👍
I agree, well said. Never could see what N Gallagher disliked about Tony`s drumming.
There's nothing on Morning Glory that Tony couldn't have played, it's not like there's any complicated beats on there.
I think the thing is, Tony wasn't a session drummer so he might not get things right instantly, maybe just a bit more patience was necessary
@@Willie.B.Hardigan Watching the video of what they call "Oasis` Disastrous American Gig" though, his drumming that night, live and in more difficult circumstances than a controlled studio setting, sounded pretty great to me, and the other guys looked happy enough with him. Not sure how anyone can "hide" a drumming mistake, either, it would be clearly and definitely maybe heard.
You nailed it!! I'm from Sheffield and this was during my time. I'm 45 now, seen the band only twice, both at the Sheffield Arena, but I've always followed the band non-the-less. For me too, Tony McCarrol was the heartbeat of the band. Even now when I listen to them, past, present and live. Shame ego's got in the way. Just like Pink Floyd;
I'm 46 and agree with everything you said lol
The best band on the planet with Tony... I saw them in Sweden at the Hultsfred Festival in the summer of 1994 and I've loved that version of Oasis ever since.
Definitely Maybe (album plus b sides)
Whatever (single)
Some Might Say (single)
Thats Oasis to me!
That was a really great piece of work. Genuinely impressed. I am of an age that I remember where I was hearing Slide Away, before the first album was released. You've really understood the band and given me insights I wouldn't have garnered otherwise. So subscribed.
I much preferred oasis with Tony on the drums. It was a raw sound.
Same here. Well said. 👍👍
100% agree ... way better to my ears and brain ...
@@mrkipling2201 agreed
@@matthewellis7002 👍👍
catch the USA gig with Zakk Starky drumming.......that's the band right there.
Greagg, this was well put together mate, loved it thanks, and you are right about Tony. he had that feel.
Its funny how many comments say it was Bonehead that made the sound... it was Tony... it was Guigsy... the obvious Noel's songs and Liam's signature vocals... sounds like it all adds up to a band with phenomenal musical chemistry to me. And that matters so much more than virtuosity. That made Oasis sound like Oasis.
If you see Liam's recent concerts with Bonehead, you will understand.
@@TonyMontanaDS I already understand. It was all 5 of them together.
technically coyle made their sound…
@@roboticoperatingbuddy5443 Super technically Tesla did.
The original band line up made the best album. In my opinion. Although the subsequent albums were still very, very good, they weren’t as good as Definitely Maybe. Plus I didn’t get the same vibe from Oasis after Tony was sacked. He was a huge part of the punky and hard edged sound they had in the early days. Songs like Fade Away, Headshrinker and Bring it on Down are my favourites.
This was superb! Absolutely hooked from start to finish, bravo sir!
Thank you, sir. Keep on keepin' on
@@TripleGVideos it's basically Tony's book on tape
I been drumming since I was 7, and can properly play. But DM drumming is better than anything I could ever come up with. All quarter notes and eighth notes. All simple. All driving rock. All brilliant. I would have ruined it with 16th note fills and over thinking. There’s a lot to learn from the DM story.
Pretty good video, thanks! Tony is part of their history as a band! All respect to him. Glad to know he confronted Noel! I would have done the same!!
What a great video. It was nice that you were able to distinguish the various towns in Greater Manchester that make up the early Oasis story. The city as a whole is changing fast and your documentary serves not only to remember a group of people at a certain point in time but also the places that formed the backbone to these people's story. It was bittersweet to see The Boardwalk mentioned. The Boardwalk, Hacienda, Roadhouse, Sankey's Soap, so on and so on all served to bring a certain appeal to the City only to now be replaced with soulless tower blocks in an unrelenting march to gentrify the place and line someone's pockets.
Cheers. I know what you mean. I have a photo I took in Manchester and, in the photo, the only businesses visible were McDonalds, Texaco, Blockbuster, KFC, and Subway. All American chains mucking up the British landscape.
Excellent job on this!
Brilliantly narrated, and a great documentary.
Fantastic video, really enjoyed it, thank you for doing this!
The best documentary i have ever seen on Oasis.
Many thanks fella.
I don't know about EVER. But cheers, mate
Tony was part of arguably oasis best album, hes a legend
I hope Tony watches your video, he’d be very happy ))
Tony deserves some love, since Noel and the press don't seem willing to give
@@TripleGVideos absolutely....i like him and follow him on social media ...he's a cool lad...though I also love Alan's drumming....still ofc he should be talked about and given the media attention he deserves, and if the band reforms it would be cool to have him
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Got a feeling Tony wouldn't appear.
Apologies to the awesome Alan White, but Tony will ALWAYS be no1 on the sticks for Oasis.
Definitely!!
Bring it on Down was the Oasis I loved. I couldn’t care less for the ballads/singer-songwriter stuff that featured Noel singing. I loved the straight up rock/punk vibe
You've shifted the view that I had on the "McCarroll episode". Thanks for this piece. England Underground seems like an amazing journey. Congrats!
Thank you, sir. It was quite the journey - did it twice and cycled for over 6 months. Highly recommend such a journey to free the mind and re-connect with your soul. I'm always looking out for the drummer...
Ive watched this video about 5 times it’s utterly class you need to make another one of these. Big fan of oasis you should look more into them and try to make another video similar to this.
Cheers, John. I'd like to do something about The Verve at some point. Same angle, just about Nick McCabe and his brilliance.
Gregg Z I’d love to see that too. Smaller bands need to see this video to understand it’s more about the spirit and togetherness of a band as opposed to highly skilled individual musicians clumped together.
At the end of the day he is Tony McCarroll ex of Oasis and played on one of the biggest debut albums ever.
I totally agree. No coincidence that the rockiest, ballsiest, and IMO best Oasis album has Tony on drums.
Exactly ... totally agree
Agreed.
Thanks for the upload, really enjoyed that
Liam should bring Tony Mac back on his 24 gigs. His compact drumming style held the early tunes together like glue. Gaps between songs can be key to letting through the instruments and vocals.
Complexity of percussion isnt something Liams vibe really needs.
Insane video ! Bravo from Montréal
I saw oasis play Hollywood in 94 at the whisky.... waited for the band ...caught Tony and bonehead and Liam for pictures... got autographs after the show... o ya.. Good times..
Feel really sorry for Tony. Noel, as talented as he is, is clearly a complete a**hole. Guigsy, Bonehead, and Tony were ordinary mild mannered guys who just wanted a quiet life. Even with the fame and fortune, having to deal with Noel's massive ego everyday must have been a nightmare.
I would say it takes a massive ego to even want to be in a rock band. It's how you manage it with the others close to you that makes the difference.
If you look into it, you find out that guigsy absolutely hated Tony and Liam wasn’t too kind to him eother
Liam and Bonehead always got on with Tony. Guigsy was sucking up to Noel to stay in the band.
Nice work! I didn't skip or check how long was left at all during the video, just sat back and really enjoyed it!! Good stuff!
Glad you enjoyed it, Jimmy. Rock on, brother
This is ace, good work and deserves more views which I think it will over time.
Excellent presentation Gregg. Very well done, consistent, believable. and much appreciated. Of course we're not getting Noel's side here. Still a fascinating production on this remarkable group.
Much appreciated
Watched at random from looking at a Noel thing.
TH-cam works in mysterious ways!
Great content
Tony was a brilliant drummer with a unique sound. He was kicked out the band because Noel fell out with him.
At last a oasis video that gives credit to where they nicked their sound from liverpool band " The Real People" thank you 👌👍
Supersonic has such a iconic drum intro! They shoulda kept Tony as the drummer forever.
Supersonic has the easiest and most basic drumming of any song in history. Its literally the first beat you ever learn.
Yeah but BOY did it ever work
I wish they had!! He was the drummer on the best album they ever made. Every subsequent album was just a tiny bit lower in quality. That’s only my opinion though. Not fact guys!!!
@@mrkipling2201 I hear you brother
@@richardmoores 👍👍
Cool story at the end, really enjoyed your video 👍
The drums on Def Maybe are EPIC. Simplicity is much harder to achieve than people understand.
That's the thing with DM-era Oasis...the unknowing go on about "Oasis sound like the Beatles" and "Tony couldn't play and just played the same beat on everything", but if you compare the framework of DM-era Oasis to AC/DC, there it all is. Basic heavy drum/bass mix of quarter notes and 8th notes underneath, with the riffs on top. Tony actually played with more variation than Phil Rudd. I'm currently working on Oasis drum cover videos in preparation for getting into Oasis tribute bands and while the other three blitz Tony in the technical stakes, Tony is actually quite hard to "get". There are different degrees of swing that he used and he had this Ringo-esque side swipe on the hat and ride, which in particular made this slight crashing sound on the ride together with every snare hit, which served to make him sound heavier. He only had about three variations of his stock fill, but he had a way of glancing the toms and supported it with the kick underneath. It takes practise to nail that and not just toss it off as "yeah, whatevs, piss easy". Cut a long story short, in closing, you can't just sit down and the kit, bash out "boom-gah-boom-boom-gah" and say "right, that's Tony nailed".
What an interesting and well-done documentary on the band. Nice job and thanks!
Thank you for posting great video
Was never the same after he left, its no coincidence that definitely maybe was there greatest album. The drums on that record were amazing, bring it all down, supersonic especially 👌👌
Word is tho he really struggled with being it on down in the studio.Tho he eventually nailed it ,suddenly inspired to do so on finding out another drummer would b brought in to play it instead
Apparently Bonehead said something to Tony that really wound him up and he went and did the drumming take in one. Good idea. Sometimes an angry drummer is a good drummer.
This was in depth and informed. Solid documentary, much like Tony's drumming. Next time you're in England give me a shout if you don't fancy the Church roof.
The church roof suited me just fine, when it wasn't raining. But I appreciate the hospitable gesture, mate. I got busted sleeping on top of a tool shed at Liverpool Cathedral. I was expecting to be cited, but instead was greeted with, "Hey, mate, we can do you better than that." Nice one, mates
@@TripleGVideos Not many people can claim that.. I slept over night in a park in Spain many years ago. What I didn't know was the sprinklers came on a 6am and one of them was pointed at my face.
I worked with Tony a few years after oasis in the gas utilities industry. Don't know what he's doing now but back then he seemed a normal pleasant guy who worked hard and didn't have a bitter twisted bone in his body. Naturally I had lots of conversations with him about oasis and he was always happy to talk and never said anything too disparaging to say about his former band members and his life as part of a legendary rock band. Hi from Bill North Tony. Hope you ok.
Without Tony Oasis were good. With Tony Oasis live forever 🎉
Wow, that was a very deep dive into the Oasis story. I learned a lot. I believe you further reinforced the notion that Liam wasn’t necessarily the “bad boy” in the band. Many examples of Noel being a right twat. Thank you for the informative video.
excellent channel..funny cos I grew up in stockport and my brother lived in burgage around the same time as oasis ! greenhouse rehearsal studios in Heaton norris was my rehearsal place too with many different bands over the years....the fall,james,,stone roses, simply red and many more also rehearsed there !! wow
the boardwalk ,...oasis supported us one night when were the main band that night, but at the time we hadn't a clue who they were! lol
big nostalgia trip,chorlton,moss-side,fallowfield,etc wow coool!!!!!!! thanx
Good Vid - and yes well put, it is the collection of musicians which create the sound. That is why Definitely Maybe was never matched again. They lost their sound forever when Tony left.
Same case with Steven "Popcorn" Adler of G n' R. Appetite for Destruction greatest album ever made, of course personal opinion.
Having been fortunate to see Oasis probably 25 times from the Boardwalk in 93/94 thru to 2009. I can tell you they sounded epic in those first few years with McCarroll banging away. Never came close to that live after he left!!
Real good video this is, its cool that you came over here to England and was out and about on the bike doing the research. Top work.😉👍
Cheers, mate. Glad I did it when I did. Wouldn't have much freedom over there these days, especially living on the 'streets' with a sleeping bag.
Tony was crucial in the early days and oasis would've been nothing without him, he suited defiantly maybe more then anyone could've ever dreamed to. But he wouldn't of suited the later stuff, oasis wouldn't have reached the levels they did with Tony's drumming style on morning glory. Tony was wasting studio time and didn't suit the new songs, it was right for him to go when he did
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Correct!
This is possibly one of the best oasis documentaries I've seen!
They rocked best with Tony.
That's quite the discussion, because some great tunes certainly came from the Alan White days. The Zak Starkey days were a wash, with maybe a handful of good tunes at best. White was really smooth and expressive with his drum fills, which can be heard on tracks like "Stay Young". Starkey was more of a straight-forward thumper, like on "Layla". But Tony McCarroll was there when they had no particular sound and no hit songs. His style set the foundation for the first two albums, which are forever classics. Listen to the dance tunes Noel has been making this past year and see that he can definitely use Tony again.
awesome documentary mate!!
Great job man, very insightful and well edited
Cool documentary, really enjoyed it thank you 😊😊😊😊
My favourite Oasis song is 'Bring it on down', it's a true I don't give a fuck, I'm me punk tune. I feel its the drumming that truly leads the the feel of this song. Maccarol deserves credit along with the others for what he contributed.
I get the feeling that Noel just didn't like him or felt he wasn't cool enough for the band, I know that sounds shallow but if he was cool as fuck and his drumming was the same I think Noel would have let him stay. I heard they really made him feel unwelcome on the last tour and TM must have felt he was on the out. He says it was a shock when he got the call to let him go but I find that hard to believe.
It was just Guigsy and Noel who treated Tony badly. Liam and Bonehead were friends with Tony all along while Tony was in Oasis. They fell out but are friends again now.
Yeah. That “is” oasis for me. I hated the slow stuff
Fantastic job mate, kept my attention throughout!
Cheers mate. Now let's get England back to rockin'. Y'all always lead the way (at least ya used to...)
Brilliant video!
He played on the best album Oasis ever made. You can’t say much more than that. His drumming sounds pretty good to me on Definitely Maybe. I think he gets very unfairly criticised. My favourite Oasis songs are all the ones he’s played on. Headshrinker, Fade away, Bring it on down.
'Bring it on down' - phenomenal drumming!
Debatable
@@Pawdee absolutely brilliant.
While I do think Alan White was technically a better drummer and I like them both, but they didn't treat Tony right at all... It seems there was something more going on other than his "bad drumming." Who knows, maybe someday we'll see a reunion with Bonehead, Liam, and Tony.
Tony is friends with Bonehead and Liam now. I agree with you, his ‘ bad drumming ‘ wasn’t the issue at all. Noel didn’t like the fact that Tony wouldn’t take his crap and would stand up to him.
It’s funny. I grew up in the UK (Northern Ireland) 70s, 80’s and 90’s before moving to the US. But most people are totally unaware in America of the impact Oasis had both in Britain and abroad, but especially in Britain. They truly were a phenomenon. They will never be able to replicate it. They to me captured, or partly created, the essence of mid 90s pop culture in Britain. It’s sad that all good things have to come to an end, and it’s sad how oasis fell apart, almost like an invisible force was pushing against them. The mid 90s were probably the best time in my life and hearing certain oasis songs makes me yearn for those years again and I’m filled with melancholy
They were done after 1997! A short footnote in history, jumping on the coatrails of the Happy Mondays and Stone Roses!
Good docu. well done sir.
Great video, good work!!
Oasis sound was Bonehead style of rythm guitar, and Noel’s songs of course!
But it’s true that Tony was the better musician when they were called The Rain, before Noel first coming.
Never underestimate the influence a drummer will have over your sound
Guigsy’s bass guitar was also determinant in Definitely Maybe tunes.. specially noticed in Slide Away
Jorge Arias Landauer Noel played bass on Definitely Maybe.
David G I mean live
@@SuperDavidGnomo I think Noel may have re-recorded some of the basslines, but I'm doubtful that he would have had time to re-record them all. I posted some notes on this a while back, hopefully this may be of interest. Also it might be useful to note the different versions of Definitely Maybe
Version 1: Batchelor sessions
Recorded between 8th - 23rd January 1994 at Monnow Valley studio, Wales; Mix attempted between 24th - 27th January 1994 at Olympic Studios, London. Producer: Dave Batchelor. Engineered by Dave Scott. Unreleased.
Version 2: Sawmills sessions
Recorded 24th February - 4th March 1994 at Sawmills Studios, Cornwall; Mixed on 7th-8th, 11th-13th, 16th-22nd, 24th-25th March 1994 at Eden Studios, London. Co-produced by Noel Gallagher and Mark Coyle. Engineered by Anjali Dutt. Unreleased, but the first mix of these sessions can be found on the Safety Masters set. A mix of Columbia from this session will be on the deluxe edition of Definitely Maybe.
Version 3 (released mix by Owen Morris)
Recordings from Monnow Valley (Slide Away), Sawmills (most of the album), Loco (some of Liam's vocals), Out of the Blue (Shakermaker) and elsewhere remixed by Owen Morris at Matrix Studios, London (2nd-5th May 1994) and mastered at Clear Studios, Manchester.
On whether Guigsy played bass on DM:
We don't have complete recording credits for every track on Definitely Maybe... but, putting two and two together from what is known, I think that Noel may have re-recorded some, but perhaps not all, of the basslines on the released version of the album. Rock 'n' Roll Star is a possibility. The Melody Maker article on the making of Definitely Maybe confirms that Rock 'n' Roll Star was one of the tracks that Owen Morris remixed from the Sawmills recording. And yet the original mixes of the Sawmills recording of the track (which can be heard on the Safety Copy of the Definitely Maybe Masters) feature a slightly different, less prominent bassline. I believe this is Guigsy's take.
My guess is that maybe when Owen Morris remixed Rock 'n' Roll Star and Columbia (at Loco Studios, 23-24th April 1994) he got Noel to re-record the bassline as well as re-recording Liam's lead vocals on Rock 'n' Roll Star (the album version uses a different vocal take than the original mixes on the safety masters).
Also, I'm not sure that Noel would have had time to re-record all the bass parts. As I understand it, by the time Owen Morris got on board, they were running out of time to finish the record and, after approving his work on Rock 'n' Roll Star and Columbia, they let him get on with remixing the remainder of the album whilst they were on tour. Noel mentions in the DM DVD documentary that whilst on tour they would receive mixes on cassette for approval. So I'm not sure how much time Noel would've had by that stage to re-record all of Guigsy's bass lines. I've put a recording timeline on this page, for reference.
I think that some confusion may have arisen due to how Owen Morris treated the basslines during mixing: "I put the bass guitar through a Mini Moog synthesiser and used the filter section to take all the top end off and just created a pure low sound… this was necessary and successful because it took away the hits of the notes and therefore hid the imprecise playing." Full interview here.
As a result the bass lines on many tracks are, deliberately, less clearly audible than they would've been before. Maybe this got misunderstood by Tony as Guigsy's basslines having been wiped completely...hence the bitter disagreement between them recounted in Tony's book. Or maybe he wrongly concluded that all Guigsy's bass lines had been re-done on the basis of hearing Morris's remix of Rock 'n' Roll Star? Just a theory though!
Tony had a good groove......not bad at all...
I think he had a better groove than Alan ...
Met Tony in Tampa, Florida in ‘95 of all places...I’m still here now...when I asked him about it on Twitter he answered & said it was him & that he lived here for a bit after he was out of Oasis.
I now live in New Zealand, but it's quite weird hearing about places in Manchester where you grew up and know well. Going to gigs in town when the scene was really starting to kick off was pretty cool looking back.
Must have been. Unfortunately we never know it until years later, looking back. The Sankeys bus must have been a trip...
From what I hear on Definitely Maybe, I highly doubt McCarroll couldn't have done the style of drumming that White did on What's the Story Morning Glory.
Well he did record some might say on morning glory b4 he left , doesn’t sound out of place .
Tony never did those triplet fills round the toms that are peppered all over the tracks Whitey played on!
@@duffers29 Exactly ... To me it sounds better than White ...
@@mattiemclean9882 yeah, that's all White seemed to do, though .... and he lacked the drive and energy of Tony for my ears ... but White is a fine drummer ...
Brilliant this is mate!!
Perfect analysis.. I am a musician and i can see this. I dont even need to know any of them personally this is 100% agree with. And macaroll with the lazy swing. Thats EXACTLY what no other drummer has replicated.
Tony was a good guy.. I think problem is Tony was older and had a kid.. He was more mature, and noel couldnt manipulate him like he could the others. Plus lets say wheb you scared and and Noels things to hide in your own incompetence, its best to shift that problem onto someone else.. Noels 100% egotistic control freak psychopath and a bully... He probably wnated to be everytjig liam is.. And wishes he was liam aswell. Ive heard a thing about noel i hope isnt true... Something very serious and sick.
And i could see how their personalities would clash.. Tony wouldnt take shit from Noel and Noel wanted to slowly gain total control of the band. Noel was a dictator ego maniac that stole songs lol. Liam took them songs and turned them into Oasis.
What did you hear about Noel?
yea pls reply^^^ im so curious
Yeah I want to hear this aswell
Yes I want to hear it, too. What did you hear about Noel? Please tell us
I really don't get why Tony was kicked out. None of them were the best at their instruments, and I think that's what gave the band their sound.
Also, I saw you mentioned how Tony was the first sound on the first single. Tony has even said in an interview that him doing that drum beat was the reason Noel wrote Supersonic.
Sounds like somebody gets it...you must be in bands yourself to have that wisdom.
@@TripleGVideos My mates and I are trying to make one, but y'know, pandemic
Noel asked Tony to leave because once the sessions for Whats the Story started in Wales, Noel knew Tony wasn't going to be able to drum the new material, as it was more laid back and ballad-oriented. Like it or not Noel was the only songwriter and main influence in the band at that time and he knew better than anyone what was or wasn't going to work, and hate to say it but he was right, and we can all see from how successful the album was. I'm not hating on Tony at all I think he's a great drummer and he set the course for Oasis in those first few years, but they were changing course on the second album and Noel knew it wasn't going to work.
@@WhiteWolf-- I agree 100%
he kicked tony out becausehe was a paul weller fan boy and wanted to impress him by getting wellers drummers brother in the band
Never noticed the drums after Definitely Maybe to be honest
Coming from Manchester and seeing Oasis 7 times live I am impressed with your research mate. Great video. I feel Tony's lack of what some might say (pun intended) buddy richness,actually helps the album. He had a good groove and rawness which suits definitely maybe and songs like supersonic
Cheers, mate. You get it
Bring it on down and columbia are proof of how good was Tony McCarroll's drumming, simple but effective
The Real People and Rain were fantastic bands, unsung heroes. Big local following at the time shoulda been much, much bigger.
This is a brilliant video. I'm an Oasis nut and learned a thing or two
Speaking of talent, you got lots. Nice little docu.
Tony McCarroll's drumming was far more inventive than those who replaced him...
Umm no
That video was great
Being a manc proud of them and I support man city all in my stride
This is great!
Great work feela
The Oasis stuff was interesting, but I found your back story and the way you achieved it very cool, well done fella !
6 months homeless in England on a push bike. They wouldn't let me do that nowadays...
Love Tony’s drumming on DM perfectly suits the album. Don’t think he had more than that album in him though didn’t have the finesse to evolve over a few albums
Big Yooooooon :) Great work mate.
Tony Mccarrol's style is evident on Definitely Maybe, their greatest album. What's the Story was good, but Def. Maybe was the rawest form of Oasis. Great Video man. What is the song in the first 5-8 minutes? Thanks for sharing bro.
It's Oasis' first demo tape
Alice by oasis
Better let you know
yeah Def maybe.....their best album..
He had quite a springy look and sound which was perfect for a pop band like Oasis.
You just called Oasis a pop band
@@TripleGVideos Yes they were quite popular for a while.
That was good, man. Thanks for this.
Background music is quite catchy, very tripp baggy, is it Rain? Great seeing Pics of levy & Burnage. I've been exiled since COVID
Great video Gregg, you should have way more subs, I have subbed
I love tonys live sound ! Raw and loud
Great video, nice one.
What a brilliant audio documentary.
The only man who could get a reunion tour together is eddie hearn
Great work