In Defense of Tony McCarroll Original Drummer of Oasis
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- The band Oasis was certainly a phenomenon. We all know the genius and accolades of Noel and Liam Gallagher. It's time to give credit to the original minds behind the Oasis sound and explain their history and how it all came to be. Rock on, Tony McCarroll. Your contribution is not forgotten by us.
A drummer really can dictate the sound of a band. Definitely Maybe wouldn't have sounded like it does without Tony on drums. Therefore, he'll always be a part of music history.
Tone was perfect for that album and a huge part of their early sound.
@@db0800so in my opinion tony should be part of the reunion 2025.
You nailed it!! I'm from Sheffield and this was during my time. I'm 45 now, seen the band only twice, both at the Sheffield Arena, but I've always followed the band non-the-less. For me too, Tony McCarrol was the heartbeat of the band. Even now when I listen to them, past, present and live. Shame ego's got in the way. Just like Pink Floyd;
I'm 46 and agree with everything you said lol
The best band on the planet with Tony... I saw them in Sweden at the Hultsfred Festival in the summer of 1994 and I've loved that version of Oasis ever since.
Definitely Maybe (album plus b sides)
Whatever (single)
Some Might Say (single)
Thats Oasis to me!
I never understood what about his Drumming was considered "bad," I never heard a song he was on and thought "oh that sucked"
Tony was solid and consistent. His lack of flashiness on the kit is what created the Oasis sound. If Guigsy was friends with a jazz drummer and they played with him at first, things would have went down a completely different path. Tony set the course.
Same here. I thought his drumming was very good on definitely maybe. Very unfairly criticised in my opinion.
When they where in the recording studio he wasn’t very consistent and they wasted a lot of time sorting out drum parts unlike Whitey who would sort the drums out in no time and on top of that he played the same snare kick snare kick kick pattern on every song
@@GreggZvideos I can hear Neil Peart laughing his bollocks off in Heaven
@@paulmetcalfe1821 Laughing about how Rush never wrote a song as good as Oasis
That was a really great piece of work. Genuinely impressed. I am of an age that I remember where I was hearing Slide Away, before the first album was released. You've really understood the band and given me insights I wouldn't have garnered otherwise. So subscribed.
Greagg, this was well put together mate, loved it thanks, and you are right about Tony. he had that feel.
What a great video. It was nice that you were able to distinguish the various towns in Greater Manchester that make up the early Oasis story. The city as a whole is changing fast and your documentary serves not only to remember a group of people at a certain point in time but also the places that formed the backbone to these people's story. It was bittersweet to see The Boardwalk mentioned. The Boardwalk, Hacienda, Roadhouse, Sankey's Soap, so on and so on all served to bring a certain appeal to the City only to now be replaced with soulless tower blocks in an unrelenting march to gentrify the place and line someone's pockets.
Cheers. I know what you mean. I have a photo I took in Manchester and, in the photo, the only businesses visible were McDonalds, Texaco, Blockbuster, KFC, and Subway. All American chains mucking up the British landscape.
Bring it on Down was the Oasis I loved. I couldn’t care less for the ballads/singer-songwriter stuff that featured Noel singing. I loved the straight up rock/punk vibe
Tony was part of arguably oasis best album, hes a legend
Fantastic video, really enjoyed it, thank you for doing this!
I totally agree. No coincidence that the rockiest, ballsiest, and IMO best Oasis album has Tony on drums.
Exactly ... totally agree
Agreed.
Tony McCarroll's drumming was far more inventive than those who replaced him...
Umm no
Excellent job on this!
This is ace, good work and deserves more views which I think it will over time.
Having been fortunate to see Oasis probably 25 times from the Boardwalk in 93/94 thru to 2009. I can tell you they sounded epic in those first few years with McCarroll banging away. Never came close to that live after he left!!
Met Tony in Tampa, Florida in ‘95 of all places...I’m still here now...when I asked him about it on Twitter he answered & said it was him & that he lived here for a bit after he was out of Oasis.
I saw oasis play Hollywood in 94 at the whisky.... waited for the band ...caught Tony and bonehead and Liam for pictures... got autographs after the show... o ya.. Good times..
While I do think Alan White was technically a better drummer and I like them both, but they didn't treat Tony right at all... It seems there was something more going on other than his "bad drumming." Who knows, maybe someday we'll see a reunion with Bonehead, Liam, and Tony.
Tony is friends with Bonehead and Liam now. I agree with you, his ‘ bad drumming ‘ wasn’t the issue at all. Noel didn’t like the fact that Tony wouldn’t take his crap and would stand up to him.
He played on the best album Oasis ever made. You can’t say much more than that. His drumming sounds pretty good to me on Definitely Maybe. I think he gets very unfairly criticised. My favourite Oasis songs are all the ones he’s played on. Headshrinker, Fade away, Bring it on down.
'Bring it on down' - phenomenal drumming!
Debatable
@@Pawdee absolutely brilliant.
It’s funny. I grew up in the UK (Northern Ireland) 70s, 80’s and 90’s before moving to the US. But most people are totally unaware in America of the impact Oasis had both in Britain and abroad, but especially in Britain. They truly were a phenomenon. They will never be able to replicate it. They to me captured, or partly created, the essence of mid 90s pop culture in Britain. It’s sad that all good things have to come to an end, and it’s sad how oasis fell apart, almost like an invisible force was pushing against them. The mid 90s were probably the best time in my life and hearing certain oasis songs makes me yearn for those years again and I’m filled with melancholy
I’m a drummer. And I’m blown away by DM drumming. Simple, driving, raw rock n roll. The start to Bring It On Down is just incredible perfect.
Bring it on down is biblical🤟🏽
Cool documentary, really enjoyed it thank you 😊😊😊😊
The Real People and Rain were fantastic bands, unsung heroes. Big local following at the time shoulda been much, much bigger.
Perfect analysis.. I am a musician and i can see this. I dont even need to know any of them personally this is 100% agree with. And macaroll with the lazy swing. Thats EXACTLY what no other drummer has replicated.
Tony was a good guy.. I think problem is Tony was older and had a kid.. He was more mature, and noel couldnt manipulate him like he could the others. Plus lets say wheb you scared and and Noels things to hide in your own incompetence, its best to shift that problem onto someone else.. Noels 100% egotistic control freak psychopath and a bully... He probably wnated to be everytjig liam is.. And wishes he was liam aswell. Ive heard a thing about noel i hope isnt true... Something very serious and sick.
And i could see how their personalities would clash.. Tony wouldnt take shit from Noel and Noel wanted to slowly gain total control of the band. Noel was a dictator ego maniac that stole songs lol. Liam took them songs and turned them into Oasis.
What did you hear about Noel?
yea pls reply^^^ im so curious
Yeah I want to hear this aswell
Yes I want to hear it, too. What did you hear about Noel? Please tell us
I really don't get why Tony was kicked out. None of them were the best at their instruments, and I think that's what gave the band their sound.
Also, I saw you mentioned how Tony was the first sound on the first single. Tony has even said in an interview that him doing that drum beat was the reason Noel wrote Supersonic.
Sounds like somebody gets it...you must be in bands yourself to have that wisdom.
@@GreggZvideos My mates and I are trying to make one, but y'know, pandemic
Noel asked Tony to leave because once the sessions for Whats the Story started in Wales, Noel knew Tony wasn't going to be able to drum the new material, as it was more laid back and ballad-oriented. Like it or not Noel was the only songwriter and main influence in the band at that time and he knew better than anyone what was or wasn't going to work, and hate to say it but he was right, and we can all see from how successful the album was. I'm not hating on Tony at all I think he's a great drummer and he set the course for Oasis in those first few years, but they were changing course on the second album and Noel knew it wasn't going to work.
@@WhiteWolf-- I agree 100%
he kicked tony out becausehe was a paul weller fan boy and wanted to impress him by getting wellers drummers brother in the band
Brilliant video!
Without Tony Oasis were good. With Tony Oasis live forever 🎉
He had quite a springy look and sound which was perfect for a pop band like Oasis.
You just called Oasis a pop band
@@GreggZvideos Yes they were quite popular for a while.
That was good, man. Thanks for this.
You got that wrong Noel smashed Liams guitar first, followed by Liam going on stage and smashing Noels guitar all very childish as Liam says.
A good documentary well done.
You need to update this as Liam is currently busy playing with Bonehead and Jay from Beady Eye
You mean Jay from Kasabian he played with them back in 06 after Karloff left. He was a good proper guitarist
@@M.Studios. yes I mean that Jay he’s really good and stayed with Liam when the others left,
Kind of funny how the first shot of the vid was a montage of Metal bands nothing like the "Indie" Rock of Oasis! I was always listened to the heaviest of extreme Metal but the Oasis Story is Legendary! What a band!
Cycling through England,WOW! I see you went through Sheffield,my city! Nice vid! 👍 Are you a drummer?
I love tonys live sound ! Raw and loud
Simplemente amo la música de Oasis!!!🙌
Thanks Mr. Gregg Z...☺
Lian fucked up! when Noel left Liam should have carried on as Oasis. Noel is the song writer but as a band he was just a rhythm guitarist, Oasis would have sounded the same without him.
He played lead when bonehead was in. Gem took many leads later tho (from what little I’ve seen as after BHN I lost interest). Did catch them in that 99 Philly show (one of the few they did that year) and wound up mixing for Noel and Gem for a live show in early 2000. Just wasn’t the same. The Magic was gone and they seemed to buy their own hype at that point. Catching a band on the way up is always best
Speaking of talent, you got lots. Nice little docu.
I'm British. My Mum was at art school with a guy who was friends with Queen's bass player, John Deacon. They were actually in a band, for a while, called the opposition. Anyway, around 1971 this guy returns from London with a demo cassette from his mate's band, and gives it to my mum. it was an early Queen demo tape.
So there I am, in Sri Lanka, formerly Ceylon, at about 3 o'clock in the morning, looking for one thousand brown M&Ms to fill a brandy glass, or Ozzy wouldn't go on stage that night. So, Jeff Beck pops his head 'round the door, and mentions there's a little sweet shop on the edge of town. So - we go. And - it's closed.
So there's me, Keith Moon, and David Crosby, breaking into this little sweet shop. Well, instead of a guard dog, they've got this bloody great big bengal tiger. I managed to take out the tiger with a can of mace, but the shopkeeper and his son, well that's a different story altogether.....I had to beat them to death with their own shoes.
Nasty business, really, but sure enough I got the M&Ms, and Ozzy went on stage and did a great show.
@@zimzimma5688 I get why you posted that but why do i think ive heard this story before?
Big Yooooooon :) Great work mate.
Young Noel Gallagher looks like a young Bill Wyman.
No Tony McCaroll. No Definitely Maybe.
This was well done. Learned new things. Subbed
Very interesting that, cheers
Great work
Tony would have kept it going on the following records! Oh Well.
Great video! Really enjoyed! Can I just ask where you got the information from? Was it from Tony’s book? as I’m interested in maybe reading it. Thanks!
Yes, Tony lays it all out in his book. I like to get my facts from the man himself.
I’ve just read his book. Absolutely brilliant. I would say it’s the true story as well.
White is a great drummer, but after watching and listening to hundreds of versions of 'Columbia', he almost never gets the ragged groove of the tune right. He's usually too tight and fast.
Excellent observation, especially on the 'tightness'. Sometimes loose and somewhat sloppy just feels and sounds better
I do not believe Noel had to be told what a hook was and where to put the verses.
Tony was the Pete Best of Oasis.
No... He was The Ringo Starr of Oasis. The best drummer for their sound.
Let's call the situation for what it is Reni had left the roses and noel wanted him. But obviously never happened, its one of those Manchester what if's for example if pottsy (ex monaco) had bothered to go back for that second audition on bass.
Reni wouldn't have suited Oasis, too busy
@@mattiemclean9882 I agree, imagine noel's ego if he landed him though? Personally I think Simon Wolstencroft (ex the roses, the smiths and the fall) would have been a better fit.
Alan McGhee isn’t English 😂 and it’s Paul ‘Big Un’ not Une
Hi Gregg Z. I'm Kevin from Manchester UK and I'm currently working with Big'un to try and get a Facebook page hitting the Internet to add some real stories to the beginning of Oasis. Would it be possible to use this video on the page please 🙏. If so please reply. Thank you from Manchester 👌
Hello, Kevin. Of course - have it, mate. Not sure if I pronounced Big'un properly in the video with my New York City accent. Please have him fill me in if there's any inaccuracies or additions to the story. I'd prefer not to spreads false info, if I happen to be doing so. Thanks for reaching out and The Smiths were right - Manchester, So Much to Answer For. Thanks, mate
Hi Gregg. Thanks for your reply pal I appreciate it 👍 Your pronunciation of Big'un was off but no problem. You say gun....... take away the G its 'un..... no problem though. I have a link for you to join the group of Big'un and share it with as many people as you like. It'll be good to get some of your American friends on Board. Take care my friend 😉 Remember to always remain "Mad for it!!" facebook.com/groups/2949954238420897/?ref=share
@@GreggZvideos Do you have a contact email address? My mate Big'un wants to have a chat if that's okay with you? He's asked me to reach out to you. Let me know as soon as you can please. Thanks!
@@kevinhouten7953 Is he going to yell at me for mispronouncing his name? It's greggziemba@gmail.com
@@GreggZvideos no no hahaha 😆 He likes what you have done and is looking at options of working towards doing another video! He's not like that mate 😉 Thanks
The narrator could easily have doubled as McCarroll's esquire when seeking back royalties. Clearly not a Noel backer.
I just wanna jam with him, is all...
As a 59 yr old British Oasis nut, this is great. One of the most considered and insightful that I've seen. In my view it's because of Tony McCarrol that Definitely Maybe will never date and it's because of Alan White, that What's The Story just screams 1995.
Cheers, mate. But then again, there's nothing wrong with 1995, now is there?
Noel was like a bottle of shaken champagne
I have a feeling Noel has sold his soul for the 3rd time
Calling Alan McGee English isn't gonna go down well with him
Good shit right here👍
Owen morris had a massive effect on their sound ..Oasis in the studio were pretty garbage, rumours of up to 300 takes on tracks ..Morris turned a flat indie sound in to something unique..Noel apparently not as good as he makes out .. Morris was a loss in terms of new material..
Tony just didn't look right in the band or fit the image or look for the time. Even Johnny Marr commented on that in his book on his early impressions of Oasis, saying he had curly hair but supposed he could grow it long. Sounds harsh and superficial but true?
such shallow shite ... psssssh ... yeah, that sums it up pretty well ... wow ... Tony was the coolest one fo the bunch ... he was the pot head, not a coke-head like Noel ...
This is a very pro Tony and anti Noel video
Lol how much did Paul ashbee pay you to say those things about him? 😂
Unpopular opinion but I prefer WTSMG to DM.
good vid
Noel just didn’t like Tony. I think that’s all there is to it.
100percent
@@BP-sk7lp definitely.
@@BP-sk7lp he likes Chris Sharrock...I know he was in Beady Eye in the early years of Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds but he was also in the final lineup of Oasis.
Problem for any drummer in a band like Oasis is the drumming is just not that special or unique. In the early indie days if you could play a syncopated beat that was good enough. Unfortunately that makes them easily replaced.
No, he wasn’t a good enough drummer
He was on their best album so he'll always be a part of history. Yes, definitely maybe.
If everybody were a perfect musician we wouldn't have so much of the music that we love
even noel says that this is their best album
Tony needs to be part of the reunion 2025.
Feel really sorry for Tony. Noel, as talented as he is, is clearly a complete a**hole. Guigsy, Bonehead, and Tony were ordinary mild mannered guys who just wanted a quiet life. Even with the fame and fortune, having to deal with Noel's massive ego everyday must have been a nightmare.
I would say it takes a massive ego to even want to be in a rock band. It's how you manage it with the others close to you that makes the difference.
If you look into it, you find out that guigsy absolutely hated Tony and Liam wasn’t too kind to him eother
Liam and Bonehead always got on with Tony. Guigsy was sucking up to Noel to stay in the band.
Great video and I’m more than impressed with how you got yourself around the UK that’s dedication!
I’m a big fan of Oasis and of NG and LG but i’ve always felt their treatment of Tony McCarroll was just so wrong. I found my original copy of Definitely Maybe last month and my son who’s 15 and I have been listening to it non-stop in the car ever since. Not only is there nothing wrong with the drumming on that record, it is absolutely crucial to the record’s success. There is a lot of crap that has been spun around Tony that just shouldn’t be allowed to stand.
If you listen to the album Live By The Sea he plays really well all the way through. More to the point, Owen Morris is quoted in print as saying Tony had great timing..almost unnaturally good and he hit really hard and consistently.
That’s a very different story to the one that is spun since Tony was fired. It’s debatable as to whether he would’ve been right for WTSMG but I’ve always felt it was wrong of Noel to pretty much trash any career Tony might have had post Oasis by making him out to be damaged goods.
It’s clear Noel never liked Tony and perhaps because Tony was the only one in the band who was a father , he felt capable of standing up to him and obviously Noel never forgave him.
Noel should’ve just cited musical differences and given him a decent slice of the earnings and moved on, that would have been the honourable thing to do.
Either way if you like Definitely Maybe you have to accept that Tony was the right drummer for that record end of story. The drumming is solid,, he hits hard and he keeps it punk and it’s sold 8 million copies..
I rest my case!
Well said. I’ve been saying exactly the same thing for years. 👍👍
I agree, well said. Never could see what N Gallagher disliked about Tony`s drumming.
There's nothing on Morning Glory that Tony couldn't have played, it's not like there's any complicated beats on there.
I think the thing is, Tony wasn't a session drummer so he might not get things right instantly, maybe just a bit more patience was necessary
@@Willie.B.Hardigan Watching the video of what they call "Oasis` Disastrous American Gig" though, his drumming that night, live and in more difficult circumstances than a controlled studio setting, sounded pretty great to me, and the other guys looked happy enough with him. Not sure how anyone can "hide" a drumming mistake, either, it would be clearly and definitely maybe heard.
Its funny how many comments say it was Bonehead that made the sound... it was Tony... it was Guigsy... the obvious Noel's songs and Liam's signature vocals... sounds like it all adds up to a band with phenomenal musical chemistry to me. And that matters so much more than virtuosity. That made Oasis sound like Oasis.
If you see Liam's recent concerts with Bonehead, you will understand.
@@TonyMontanaDS I already understand. It was all 5 of them together.
technically coyle made their sound…
@@roboticoperatingbuddy5443 Super technically Tesla did.
The original band line up made the best album. In my opinion. Although the subsequent albums were still very, very good, they weren’t as good as Definitely Maybe. Plus I didn’t get the same vibe from Oasis after Tony was sacked. He was a huge part of the punky and hard edged sound they had in the early days. Songs like Fade Away, Headshrinker and Bring it on Down are my favourites.
Listen to “Bring It On Down” and tell me Tony couldn’t drum. Alan may have had technique, but Tony had the heart and rawness that fit Oasis
Great song
Tony didn’t write the drum intro, Noel was instructing him how to play it and it took him a whole day of recording for him to actually play the groove
@@fionnmaguireoloughlin3538 Noel came back to the studio and thought the drumming was 'perfect.' When he thought it was another drummer. When in fact it was Tony's playing. Noel just didn't like Tony. He needed a scapegoat. Is it any wonder that Guigsy (who kissed Noel's ass), Bonehead and Alan eventually left the band? Liam was always known as the 'difficult' member, but it's pretty telling that previous band members still associate with him. Noel? Not so much...
@@tlhull4460 honestly Noel had every right to replace Tony, ngl he was a real dick about it ahaha. But as a drummer myself I don’t see Tony as anything more than capable of the fundamentals. He was very important for making the sound but he wouldn’t have been able to play the more complex drum grooves from MG and BHN
Well considering that very simple rifff took Tony the entire session to cut, and had to be told exactly what to play, meh.... if Alan was in the band since day one, I bet Definitely Maybe would still have been just as good or better.
I much preferred oasis with Tony on the drums. It was a raw sound.
Same here. Well said. 👍👍
100% agree ... way better to my ears and brain ...
@@mrkipling2201 agreed
@@matthewellis7002 👍👍
catch the USA gig with Zakk Starky drumming.......that's the band right there.
I hope Tony watches your video, he’d be very happy ))
Tony deserves some love, since Noel and the press don't seem willing to give
@@GreggZvideos absolutely....i like him and follow him on social media ...he's a cool lad...though I also love Alan's drumming....still ofc he should be talked about and given the media attention he deserves, and if the band reforms it would be cool to have him
@@bobbybansal
Got a feeling Tony wouldn't appear.
I been drumming since I was 7, and can properly play. But DM drumming is better than anything I could ever come up with. All quarter notes and eighth notes. All simple. All driving rock. All brilliant. I would have ruined it with 16th note fills and over thinking. There’s a lot to learn from the DM story.
When Tony MvCarrol left oasis they lost that urgent punky sound. The following albums were on reflection absolute garbage.
I guess Tony’s drumming made a difference, like imagine the pistols without Paul Cook’s drumming
They only partially redeemed themselves with don’t believe the truth.
Tony is no Cookie. His drums were so solid and the torso backbone. I like Tony’s drums as well but he didn’t have the chops for more difficult material. You’re only as good as your weakest link. White was far superior but tony did have that punky edge
@@mumbles215 agreed he wasn’t a cookie.
To say the sex pistols couldn’t t play they had the best drummer of a generation, a great bass player in Glen Matlock, great guitarist in steve Jones and one of the best front men ever. What they did have was a sub standard management team who let them down badly
@@mumbles215 i think morning glory and be here now are garbage albums to be fair. Over production making up for songs that were rejected for definitely maybe. Wonderwall in particular, a dreadful dirge
Guns n Roses made the same mistake, they replaced the first drummer for a technically 'better' musician - but both bands lost it immediately.
Their second albums were just too slick, all the thrash and punk edge that got them noticed was gone.
Apologies to the awesome Alan White, but Tony will ALWAYS be no1 on the sticks for Oasis.
Definitely!!
Tony was a brilliant drummer with a unique sound. He was kicked out the band because Noel fell out with him.
The drums on Def Maybe are EPIC. Simplicity is much harder to achieve than people understand.
This was superb! Absolutely hooked from start to finish, bravo sir!
Thank you, sir. Keep on keepin' on
@@GreggZvideos it's basically Tony's book on tape
Wow, that was a very deep dive into the Oasis story. I learned a lot. I believe you further reinforced the notion that Liam wasn’t necessarily the “bad boy” in the band. Many examples of Noel being a right twat. Thank you for the informative video.
I never realized Noel had a Lou Reed level of nastiness when it came to fellow band mates. ( Lou vs. John Cale and Nico). You should try to do another in depth analysis covering all of the problems between Peter Hook and New Order. Especially his dislike of Benard Sumner and all the legal issues. My favorite band tainted permanently.
Oasis sound was Bonehead style of rythm guitar, and Noel’s songs of course!
But it’s true that Tony was the better musician when they were called The Rain, before Noel first coming.
Never underestimate the influence a drummer will have over your sound
Guigsy’s bass guitar was also determinant in Definitely Maybe tunes.. specially noticed in Slide Away
Jorge Arias Landauer Noel played bass on Definitely Maybe.
David G I mean live
@@SuperDavidGnomo I think Noel may have re-recorded some of the basslines, but I'm doubtful that he would have had time to re-record them all. I posted some notes on this a while back, hopefully this may be of interest. Also it might be useful to note the different versions of Definitely Maybe
Version 1: Batchelor sessions
Recorded between 8th - 23rd January 1994 at Monnow Valley studio, Wales; Mix attempted between 24th - 27th January 1994 at Olympic Studios, London. Producer: Dave Batchelor. Engineered by Dave Scott. Unreleased.
Version 2: Sawmills sessions
Recorded 24th February - 4th March 1994 at Sawmills Studios, Cornwall; Mixed on 7th-8th, 11th-13th, 16th-22nd, 24th-25th March 1994 at Eden Studios, London. Co-produced by Noel Gallagher and Mark Coyle. Engineered by Anjali Dutt. Unreleased, but the first mix of these sessions can be found on the Safety Masters set. A mix of Columbia from this session will be on the deluxe edition of Definitely Maybe.
Version 3 (released mix by Owen Morris)
Recordings from Monnow Valley (Slide Away), Sawmills (most of the album), Loco (some of Liam's vocals), Out of the Blue (Shakermaker) and elsewhere remixed by Owen Morris at Matrix Studios, London (2nd-5th May 1994) and mastered at Clear Studios, Manchester.
On whether Guigsy played bass on DM:
We don't have complete recording credits for every track on Definitely Maybe... but, putting two and two together from what is known, I think that Noel may have re-recorded some, but perhaps not all, of the basslines on the released version of the album. Rock 'n' Roll Star is a possibility. The Melody Maker article on the making of Definitely Maybe confirms that Rock 'n' Roll Star was one of the tracks that Owen Morris remixed from the Sawmills recording. And yet the original mixes of the Sawmills recording of the track (which can be heard on the Safety Copy of the Definitely Maybe Masters) feature a slightly different, less prominent bassline. I believe this is Guigsy's take.
My guess is that maybe when Owen Morris remixed Rock 'n' Roll Star and Columbia (at Loco Studios, 23-24th April 1994) he got Noel to re-record the bassline as well as re-recording Liam's lead vocals on Rock 'n' Roll Star (the album version uses a different vocal take than the original mixes on the safety masters).
Also, I'm not sure that Noel would have had time to re-record all the bass parts. As I understand it, by the time Owen Morris got on board, they were running out of time to finish the record and, after approving his work on Rock 'n' Roll Star and Columbia, they let him get on with remixing the remainder of the album whilst they were on tour. Noel mentions in the DM DVD documentary that whilst on tour they would receive mixes on cassette for approval. So I'm not sure how much time Noel would've had by that stage to re-record all of Guigsy's bass lines. I've put a recording timeline on this page, for reference.
I think that some confusion may have arisen due to how Owen Morris treated the basslines during mixing: "I put the bass guitar through a Mini Moog synthesiser and used the filter section to take all the top end off and just created a pure low sound… this was necessary and successful because it took away the hits of the notes and therefore hid the imprecise playing." Full interview here.
As a result the bass lines on many tracks are, deliberately, less clearly audible than they would've been before. Maybe this got misunderstood by Tony as Guigsy's basslines having been wiped completely...hence the bitter disagreement between them recounted in Tony's book. Or maybe he wrongly concluded that all Guigsy's bass lines had been re-done on the basis of hearing Morris's remix of Rock 'n' Roll Star? Just a theory though!
Tony had a good groove......not bad at all...
I think he had a better groove than Alan ...
My favourite Oasis song is 'Bring it on down', it's a true I don't give a fuck, I'm me punk tune. I feel its the drumming that truly leads the the feel of this song. Maccarol deserves credit along with the others for what he contributed.
I get the feeling that Noel just didn't like him or felt he wasn't cool enough for the band, I know that sounds shallow but if he was cool as fuck and his drumming was the same I think Noel would have let him stay. I heard they really made him feel unwelcome on the last tour and TM must have felt he was on the out. He says it was a shock when he got the call to let him go but I find that hard to believe.
It was just Guigsy and Noel who treated Tony badly. Liam and Bonehead were friends with Tony all along while Tony was in Oasis. They fell out but are friends again now.
Yeah. That “is” oasis for me. I hated the slow stuff
Same case with Steven "Popcorn" Adler of G n' R. Appetite for Destruction greatest album ever made, of course personal opinion.
Never noticed the drums after Definitely Maybe to be honest
Tony Mccarrol's style is evident on Definitely Maybe, their greatest album. What's the Story was good, but Def. Maybe was the rawest form of Oasis. Great Video man. What is the song in the first 5-8 minutes? Thanks for sharing bro.
It's Oasis' first demo tape
Alice by oasis
Better let you know
yeah Def maybe.....their best album..
Liam es Oasis, , Noel se fué por egoista, por no querer compartir el éxito con su hermano,... hoy Liam regresó con su exitosa carrera como solista, mientras que Noel anda penando como telonero de U2, Liam ES Oasis, le pese a quien le pese, y TODO el publico está con él,... Noel es un mentiroso, manipulador y envidioso como persona, nada bueno puede salir de él,.. Las cosas hay que decirlas como son. Larga vida a Liam Gallagher.
Tony was thr OASIS drummer.. Still noone can drummer like him.. Its the vibe tony isnt the best drummer but what he had made oasis and gave oadis a soubd and vibe no other oasis drummer has done...
Ok without alan white wonderwall would never of happened.. But move that aside.. All the other oasis stuff wouldve been 100 times better with macarolll.
He drummed and hit the snare almost 400ms too slow, he created stoner slow motion vibe.. But after his sacking, oasis completely lost that.
The last part is what I've unsuccessfully tried to put into words for years! Yes, exactly! Well done mate.
It would of been a fantastic offer to give Tony a few quid to keep him going as it was his band not noels ..in reality he stole it and should of sued for royalties not give in after crap advice……
At last a oasis video that gives credit to where they nicked their sound from liverpool band " The Real People" thank you 👌👍
First Album was class lost intrest after that boring
Tony was crucial in the early days and oasis would've been nothing without him, he suited defiantly maybe more then anyone could've ever dreamed to. But he wouldn't of suited the later stuff, oasis wouldn't have reached the levels they did with Tony's drumming style on morning glory. Tony was wasting studio time and didn't suit the new songs, it was right for him to go when he did
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I worked with Tony a few years after oasis in the gas utilities industry. Don't know what he's doing now but back then he seemed a normal pleasant guy who worked hard and didn't have a bitter twisted bone in his body. Naturally I had lots of conversations with him about oasis and he was always happy to talk and never said anything too disparaging to say about his former band members and his life as part of a legendary rock band. Hi from Bill North Tony. Hope you ok.
Was never the same after he left, its no coincidence that definitely maybe was there greatest album. The drums on that record were amazing, bring it all down, supersonic especially 👌👌
Word is tho he really struggled with being it on down in the studio.Tho he eventually nailed it ,suddenly inspired to do so on finding out another drummer would b brought in to play it instead
Apparently Bonehead said something to Tony that really wound him up and he went and did the drumming take in one. Good idea. Sometimes an angry drummer is a good drummer.
Not sure if the bit about them meeting liam in the park and Noel ‘letting them ‘get away is even true, but it’s a fucking brilliant story! 😂
Also not true that Noel moved to India house after being signed.He moved in with his then girlfriend.Then once oasis were signed Noel and his girlfriend split and he moved out
@@darrenstopper1806 I would say there’s a few untruths in that video but that’s the Americans for you! 😂
When forced to pick between the truth and a myth... Always pick the myth
Pretty good video, thanks! Tony is part of their history as a band! All respect to him. Glad to know he confronted Noel! I would have done the same!!
In all fairness.... His hair was shite when he didn't keep it cut VERY close!
High flying birds are crap
First 2 albums had some good songs that he had in his pocket from the Oasis days. Now the dance music he's making lately is kinda crap
The first High Flying Birds record contains his finest music since "Be Here Now" I think.
Noel is no genius he just pinched other people’s tunes...
Every musician does that, Noels not a special case. His brother Paul even said "There's only so many notes/chords on a guitar you can learn, you're bound to sound like someone else."
@@obd9660 Yeah but having influences in a tune and blatantly ripping people’s songs off are two completely different things...
Do you think Liam was or is a good singer?
You said he was chosen for his look and attitude, but not his voice?
Also you mention Noels post Oasis success but not Liam's?
Oasis went crap after mcCaroll left. Morning glory is piss poor and it went downhill after that. They should have carried on doing the punkier ones with mcCarrols punky Paul cook type Tom Tom drumming which fitted perfectly