oh my god wait 3:37 a bowling pin penguin to go with spheal a bowling themed duo playing on penguins being the targets of leopard seals- spheal being spherical makes so much more sense
6:08 I love this guy so much, his complete lack of features, the idea that this thing could fight at all. He looks like a newborn shuckle without a shell
Glad I’m not the only one who thought this. Even for the beta designs that were the same as the finals, the shading just makes them look wrong. The shading doesn’t help the scrapped ones feel like they were ever going to be actual Pokémon
I hope that these designs being leaked won’t discourage GameFreak from revisiting their concepts or designs in the future (we already know that they did for Pokemon like Leafeon, Mime Jr, SirFechd, and Shellos). Edit: wow, I knew our fan base was illiterate but I didn’t know it was this bad. None of the replies are about new designs that came out after beta leaks.
I always love beta Pokémon. Such a treasure trove of "aha" moments, behind-the-scenes stories (like cut Gen. 1 Pokémon still being toyed with), and "what-ifs."
The curious thing is that this leak doesn't have any beta sprites or concept art of Shellos and Gastrodon. It's already a known fact that they were going to be Pokémon from the 3rd generation, but they were cut and only returned with them in the 4th generation.
This clearly isn't EVERY beta design they made for the game--not nearly enough creatures. But Gastrodon was possibly made slightly later than these concepts, or these particular sprites were under the purview of a specific person and someone else had the Gastrodon sprites to work on. Maybe they moved the files for Gen 3 Gastrodon when they decided to implement it in Gen 4 and the originals were misplaced/moved to a storage location not in this leak. Many possible reasons why it's not here.
@@melindamuller4466that's what I thought first as well but from what I've heard that doesn't seem to be the case. Apparently it was a grass/water type that was going to evolve into Tropius.
I know right? A Water/Electric type that's found by fishing near New Mauville. It drives home how animals have to adapt their man-made environments. I would have preferred that over recycling Chinchou.
@@Dairunt1 I think its two Abilities would be Magnet Pull or Hyper Cutter, and it would probably rely more on physical moves, like Crabhammer or Spark.
I'm assuming it got cut just because it was considered too similar to krabby/kingler. These days they could have made it a regional form of krabby and it would be perfect so maybe the sacrifices of pokemon like magnet crab are what led to the idea of regional forms in the first place.
I kinda like it how it's now; subtle, natural looking but still recognizable. It's not awkwardly screaming "Look at me I have a yin and yang symbol on my forehead!"
Most of the names are straight up Japanese(or mostly Japanese), I guess they always imagined their name and later in development considered changing their name into a "more international" one
We don't actually know if Lotad was supposed to evolve into Lombre at this point, though. Lombre lacks a lot of the details that link it to Lotad, looking more like a proper Kappa.
@@Faniwa828 No it doesn't, it was cut before Archeops was. Archeops was a 1 stage Fossil mon just like Aerodactyl when it was in Gen 3. It's sprite colors don't match it's concept art for right before it was cut. Also, I said Archeops on purpose because that sprite was Archeops and was later redesigned for Grovyle.
The Yin-Yang on the back sprite & the two-face thing on the front was removed on the later one. It's interesting that Absol looked like that before it was changed.
Absol being a ying yang pokemon before being a disaster pokemon is so great, i prefer the current design, but beta absol still have a place in my heart
A really cool fact about it is that it seemed to originally be connected to Pingin. Considering seals are natural predators to them irl and they were based off bowling pins..
Yeah, especially the blue one seen at 9:30 is most certainly the scrapped Gen 2 seal-plesiosaur starter that was replaced by Totodile, & not only almost made the cut here, was changed to possibly be Water/Grass in-game, with the art being the OG typing before getting scrapped again. The scrapped Gen 2 anchor shark at least made the cut, but not before getting downgraded. It possibly could be in Gen 8, but it's stuck as an abomination chimera made by the dumbhead, Cara Liss, being horrifically melded to a velociraptor or a dunkleosteus. 😢
Considering that it looks like it's wearing a mask and a robe and it's name could be a play on the word "riddle", I'm wondering if you were supposed to get it (perhaps as an egg) from one of the challenges in the trick house?
I'd argue that it has always made sense, which is why in this version they were probably at least related or just mistakenly placed apart. The latter seems more lokely considering nincada was apart from ninjask. Trapinch is the larvae of an amazing little insect called an antlion. The Larvae acts and looks pretty much like a trapinch, whilst the adults are a spitting image of flygon and act the same.Really fascinating insects and absolute menaces to ants when they're Larvae!
They are Leafeon and Mime Jr. were originally planned for Gen 2 Shellos was originally planned for Gen 3 (but it isn't in this leak) and that blue lizard thing here might be a beta Scraggy
@@socialistrepublicofvietnam1500That beta Grovyle is also beta Scrafty, beta Huntail's imitation fish tail became Gorebyss, the scrapped Tadpole design may have become the inspiration of Litwik, & the beta frog with the tongue scarf may have been reused for Greninja.
Woah, at one point Huntail had a Gorbyss-shaped tail! That makes its name make a ton more sense! Also, I'm so glad Flygon got redesigned from its initial form... it looked too much like Vibrava and it looks so odd without its head crest/spikes. o.o (also glad that Trapinch became its basic form because it led to one of my own personal Pokemon-related stories - the one where I gave up looking for a Flygon to complete my team and decided to catch the little orange antlion Pokemon that I'd just encountered to complete my team instead...)
Huntail does still have a Gorebyss shaped tail, it's just a lot less detailed--less 'Girafarig double-sided' and more like how an actual lure for prey would look on a sea creature. Flygon is such a baller design. Seeing a beta design is neat but it really was tuned basically perfectly.
@@SaerasChuu True, it's just a lot less obvious to me - seeing the beta with the more obvious Gorbyss tail makes it click for me. And Flygon will always be one of my favourite Dragon types for it's design and my afore-mentioned story. 😃
I laughed HARD at the comments on a couple of discarded designs labeled as "TOO HUMANOID". LMAO were are those people now with Lucario/Meowscarada and Quaquaval and Kirlia/Gardevoir/Armarouge?? 🤣🤦🏻♂
Oddly this was the gen where they tested to see if more humanoid designs were fine with the players. That's apparently why the Blaziken design was changed.
Hell, there's even the unused Cacophony ability to further hint at this, I wouldn't be surprised if Chimecho and the musical tadpole mons were supposed to be sound types Also the Spirit pokemon's leaked dex entry says it makes a xylophone-like sound, so that could've been planned to be Sound type too
1:01 Biblically accurate Woobat 5:18 They were supposed to evolve one more time!? We were so robed. At least there's Luxray that does the same thing. 7:06 Maybe that's why Altaria is a dragon type 7:31 I love this turtle :) 7:53 perhaps this was basically the first iteration of Togedamaru 8:02 Scraggy? 9:20 Haunter but whirlwind, I get why they redesigned it. 9:28 And then you have Castform that looks like a smurf. I'm not a fan, but at least it doesn't have those weird balls.
4:12 they always try to put a concept similar to girafarig but they always end up cutting them... Why? This is so cool, it's better than the ones we got at the end
Tbf, however ugly he is, Nosepass does have a pretty unique design concept, with the whole compass thing going on Though, he seems to have gotten scrapped for a while, since appearently, at one point in development after these sprites, Nosepass' slot was filled by a scrapped Torkoal preevolution My guess is that after the Black Stone pokemon got scrapped later in development, they looked though the old index where these leaks came from and got Nosepass because they needed a rock type mon to put on Roxxane's team (a lot of pokemon seem to have gotten scrapped and then reintroduced again, like Chimecho)
@@starlite_music-g1s oooooh I was just making a silly joke but that's quite interesting!! out of curiosity since there doesn't seem to be a beta design of it in this video, was there any other early concepts of poochyena found in the leak?? just out of curiosity (it's my fav pokemon lmaoooo)
@@RocketPooch Actually poochyena is an interesting one in this, everything about it is in the index, its dex data, stats, typing, height and weight, everything is there EXCEPT for the sprite Though, there is one thing about It that was found, an early version of its sugimori art where it looks more sad and is more hunched over, having a completely diferent pose, which interestingly seems to have been the base for the sprites in the final game and not the other way around as it usually was in gen 3 Yes I know i'm a big nerd when It comes to pokemon development
I'm really surprised that people are comparing Nobinyobi to Baltoy and not Komari. Komari really feels like an alternate Baltoy, what with the 'clay pottery' sort of design inspiration they share (though I love both of their designs). Also, Piyoko looks like a grass Tochic.
Ok, I'm not going to lie. A few of these look a hell of a lot cooler than the design we got, and some of the scrapped Pokemon look like ones that they would add to a future generation, and I kinda hope they do! Also, who else is with me when I say that beta Blaziken looks a lot like a fusion between itself and Latias?
It was known before all of the leaks that a "Latiken" or a Blaziken and Latias pokemon existed, you can search it on internet. And indeedie, it looks very cute with that design, makes me like it more than the actual Latias
we had concept art of early blaziken and im pretty sure it was confirmed in an interview that it split off into blaziken and latias, also it was the first gen 3 pokemon if i recall?
And I am more and more convinced they had Sound type in mind for gen 3, we need that BACK LIKE NOW!! Also, we were robbed of too many cool designs (even beta Meloetta was a great idea!) T__T
That's actually an evolution to the record player tadpole seen later in the index, It had nothing to do with Poliwhirl aside from looking kinda symilar
@@yoshibrothers9982 interesting, and understandable since it's pretty iconic. I know Blaziken, Munchlax, and bonsly were the first (corocoro, anime and XD Gale of Darkness, respectively)
Except they did, with modifications: Ninfu became Vespiquen, Purepasu became Drampa, Hipo possibly became Snom, Sunoun became Frosmoth, Zuruzu became Scraggy, Sunorora became Beartic, and Beta Sableye became Mega Sableye.
8:06 someone clearly messed up the Japanese on this one. The Japanese is very close to Archeops' Japanese name Archeos. Also, if you're wondering the sprite was obviously redesigned and used for Grovyle, but it was originally being made for Archeops.
Camerupt - improved Pelipper - looks more like a normal Pokémon now, but my god, is it a missed opportunity for Team Aqua with the old one. Nuzleaf - much more Tengu-like in the old one, but a bit too busy. Boyatto - weirdo, don't mind him gone Bi - why is Wingull there? Kurobosshi - no clue what it is, don't mind it gone. Azurill, Kecleon, Wailmer - all around minor improvements Lombre - HATE the old hair, so much improvement Seedot - more personality on the old one, but I prefer the new 'helmet' and colouring Surskit - the new spindly legs are much better than the weird rings Masquerain - why the hell is the old one in this weird like seedpot-cocoon? Sableye - much prefer the new one, it is the more interesting and clear design Sharpedo - the scrapped design rocks Claydol - the colour change is for the good Toroika - I like it, and let's be honest, even with tons of water types, the regions waters can still feel a bit samey, so I would have loved him Ubausagi - pretty bland bunny, what's with the beans in the grass on its back? Doesn't feel connected, don't miss it Nobinyobi - almost looks more like a preevolution to the old Lombre? Shroomish - the old one is kinda very bland Bisukyaru - weird little thing, I think I don't like it? Kanbokku - almost looks like a beta Bonsly? Komari - kinda cute, I like it Monorabi - knock off eeveelution looking weirdo Sutanbu - a tree stump, clearly, and still I wonder what the hell I am looking at Rikugin - a bit too colourful, clearly looks like a beta Lileep/Cradily Arei - depressed Suicune meets Milotic? I don't like it much Keromero - what a cutie Kodomin - is it odd that I like them? Mosumi - a moss Pokemon? Swablu - has improved Banette - has improved Puchi - hate it Breloom - massively improved Kujatta - just kinda a normal Peacock, but I want one Wynaut, Duskull, Trapinch - very minor changes, basically all improved Shakokaku - why is Dusclops here? It doesn't look anything close to being related to Beta Duskull Blaziken - I like the old colours more Roselia, Chimeco - basically no change, all improved Nincada - looove the new one, but the old munchers are so cute too and give it a run for its money. Penpin - oooh, fun Spheal - much improvement Swalot - minor improvement Tropius - the old one is sooo ugly, big improvement Ribura - very cool, miss it Furane - hmmm Clamperl - love both, the old one is a mencace and I kind like it more. Huntail - always cool, like the new one more (cleaner), but the old backsprite showing off the tailtip is superior Hakkeyo - kinda cute Makuhita - prefer the new colours Hariyama - prefer the new design Utoma - quite funny Pyokko - kinda cute, but odd Ninfu - too busy
Purepasu - intriguing, but no Skitty - the new one looks not like a drug addict and trip at the same time anymore Numel - just cleaned up Kajitto - kinda cute Electike - the new one is better Manectric - the old one was cooking something Raiou - complete mess Berumusu - better than Abomasnow, that's for sure Ninjask - what changes? Shedinja - the new one is cleaner, but the old, horrific one is more interesting Lotad - cute, prefer the new one Spinda, Lunatone - only some clean up Lairon - the old one is cool, love the pop of colour, the new one is more interesting apart from that though Hipo - that... exists, I guess? Why? Chamin - thank god we got Happiny instead of this freak Pippa - so bland it might as well be a stick figure Sunoun - cool, just really cool Bonbongo - horrific, burn it with fire Shiomagune - soooo fucking cool Tochin - derpy, what is it? why does it kinda look like a bong? Spoink - big improvements with the new one Grumpig - the new one is more visually pleasing, but the old one was kinda cooking, the horrific cooked pigs head with the apple in its mouth?? Poku, Tanpu - what the heck is that? Absol - the new one is more subtle, I like that Paotsu - I kinda like it Suiba - what is it? why is it? Rairai - no. Why the noodle body? Nosepass - much cleaner now
Shuppet - basically no changes Shabo - no clue in the world what this freak is, good that it's gone Panpamu - kinda fun Hakogame - feels kinda disjointed, but I like it Latias, Latios - basically no change Togepyon - what are its eyes in this mess? Zigzagoon - oh fuck, they messed up, give me back this cutie patootie! Zuruzu - funny, seems repurposed into Scraggy? Akeon - Grovyle is cooler Eidoggu - fine, but kinda bland and shapeless Uezari - what is it? Kinda intrigued Tinki - kinda fun, and would make the waters more diverse Relicanth - the old ones face looks so wrong Sunorora - odd stance, but otherwise fine Yakkoko - sooo cute Vibrava - the old one looks a tiny bit more fierce, but I love both equally Flygon - thank god they did something with the weird, ugly smooth head, new Flygon is soo much better, although the old colour scheming is much closer to Vibrava Heppi, Supanku - they bother me somehow; did they just put Vulpix where they might have put this one? Riridi - I like it, I am very intrigued, but the older one is better Kurumi - this is sooo odd, but so funny Sansan - almost better than sun Castform Zaza - sooo much worse than rain Castform Gogo - interesting, but much worse than hail Castform Castform - soooo much better now, why was it a living smurf hat and forehead before? The backsprite could literally be one for a smurf
Wow. The siren looking seal was the og Sun and Moon starter. So is the frog with a orange tongue around it's neck. Fascinating. Rubara (bird with book for wings) is probably the concept that eventually became the Aplin line. Teruzu(sp?) Lizard with skin around legs also made a return later on.
1. I think chamin, hakogame, and paotsu are supposed to be happiny, torkoal, and Zangoose respectively. 2. Breloom and Flygon got upgraded 3. Castform and its forms, Nuzleaf, Sharpedo, Shedinja, and Huntail got downgraded 4. I find beta Absol more memorable than the official version but I am lowkey glad that the yin-yang concept got revisted to a serperior degree with Zekrom and Reshiram 5. Beta Altaria makes 1000% more sense as a dragon than the official version 6. Utoma was definitely suppose to evolve into Keromero. Clever use of the music theme 7. Beta Scraggy was going to evolve into Beta Grovyle? Huh. You learn something new 8. I always felt like Spheal was a lazy design, but with Penpin now its design is a bit more witty. 9. Mega Sableye is a shout out to its original concept this entire time. That's neat 10. Where's the water starter bunny?
oh my god wait
3:37
a bowling pin penguin to go with spheal
a bowling themed duo playing on penguins being the targets of leopard seals- spheal being spherical makes so much more sense
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH That's why then!!
Look at the beta colour scheme too, the spots are darker, like the finger holes in a bowling ball
That's a shame. Poor Penpin.
And then it was flawlessly reworked into the concept of seals balancing balls on their nose, especially with Sealeo who does exactly that
@@zafool4997My gosh! you guys very smart
I love how Azurill's only change was to give it a smile.
Does this mean that its official art is of the beta version?
The reverse Kirby box art treatment
They put ansmile on that face
@@cbbblue8348 "American Kirby is Hardcore" xD
I think the pokedex mentions something about it crying to keep itself wet or something 🤔
6:08 I love this guy so much, his complete lack of features, the idea that this thing could fight at all. He looks like a newborn shuckle without a shell
P I P P A
Apparently he was supposed to evolve into ANY pokemon, that's why he looks so dull
YIPPIE!!!
@@TroupeMasterXenon insane if true, how would that even work 0-0
LOLL
5:48 beta lunatone staring directly into my soul
I saw your search history type look
Did you just say “use self destruct?”
7:59 Zigzagoon missed its original cuteness
it's still cute but... that ones just such a little guy
It looked more chibi
So cute and smol
It looks like the sprite used for when it's in your party
*Protecc the chonky raccoon at all cost*
finally a vid of these guys without waiting for some nasally streamer trying to be witty.
Period.
Ditto!
💯
Hoops and hip hop?
Lmao
1:09 really reminds me pf his eventual mega-evolution, very cool !
That's what I thought!!! There are several concepts in these "discarded" works that came back in later installments with obvious rework.
Same
I thought the same!
pippa my love you deserved the world but it didn't deserve you
I need a pippa in my live
It can evolve into any pokemon
6:06
it is the tbh creature
Pippa is the italian for handjob
Fascinating how a few shifts in palette can completely throw off the vibe and make something look less like a legitimate pokemon
The colors are too bright to the point that it's so uncanny
@@Brutu_ A lot of these would fit right at home in early DeviantArt. A lot of them also look like they fit right into the early Y2K color aesthetics
Glad I’m not the only one who thought this. Even for the beta designs that were the same as the finals, the shading just makes them look wrong. The shading doesn’t help the scrapped ones feel like they were ever going to be actual Pokémon
I hope that these designs being leaked won’t discourage GameFreak from revisiting their concepts or designs in the future (we already know that they did for Pokemon like Leafeon, Mime Jr, SirFechd, and Shellos).
Edit: wow, I knew our fan base was illiterate but I didn’t know it was this bad. None of the replies are about new designs that came out after beta leaks.
Oh it won't discourage them. They'll get spiteful and rage quit the entire concept of them 😂
@@epsilonrandy6097Sure because that's what you think
@@wellIhavenothingbettertodo it's not that deep homie
@@epsilonrandy6097 That's just the same thing using different words.
I’m fine if a lot of these don’t get used, but I kinda wanna see the book butterfly.
I always love beta Pokémon. Such a treasure trove of "aha" moments, behind-the-scenes stories (like cut Gen. 1 Pokémon still being toyed with), and "what-ifs."
Clampearl originally evolving into a pokemon that was basically both huntail and gorbyss is actually the sickest thing ive ever found out
Plus the design of the clampearl connects so much better to the eels in the beta design.
3:58 thats so creative its a shame it got scrapped
Book bird or i guess you could say bird brain
The curious thing is that this leak doesn't have any beta sprites or concept art of Shellos and Gastrodon. It's already a known fact that they were going to be Pokémon from the 3rd generation, but they were cut and only returned with them in the 4th generation.
Was it not 10% of the leak?
No Bonsly neither. Unless that tree trunk one inspired it maybe?
This clearly isn't EVERY beta design they made for the game--not nearly enough creatures. But Gastrodon was possibly made slightly later than these concepts, or these particular sprites were under the purview of a specific person and someone else had the Gastrodon sprites to work on. Maybe they moved the files for Gen 3 Gastrodon when they decided to implement it in Gen 4 and the originals were misplaced/moved to a storage location not in this leak. Many possible reasons why it's not here.
@@BrokenValentine-333 Don't you think that Kanbokku looks like beta Bonsly?
@@melindamuller4466that's what I thought first as well but from what I've heard that doesn't seem to be the case. Apparently it was a grass/water type that was going to evolve into Tropius.
6:15 Melee announcer: DONKEY KONG
0:33: Azurill before and after learning they made the final cut
6:20 That magnet crab might be my favorite one.
I know right? A Water/Electric type that's found by fishing near New Mauville. It drives home how animals have to adapt their man-made environments. I would have preferred that over recycling Chinchou.
@@Dairunt1 I think its two Abilities would be Magnet Pull or Hyper Cutter, and it would probably rely more on physical moves, like Crabhammer or Spark.
we got that as Klawf in Scarlet and Violet
It reminds me to Klawf because of the "hair" in its claws.
I'm assuming it got cut just because it was considered too similar to krabby/kingler. These days they could have made it a regional form of krabby and it would be perfect so maybe the sacrifices of pokemon like magnet crab are what led to the idea of regional forms in the first place.
Ribura is a book-bird? That's my new favorite beta Pokémon!
with my favorite boy hawlucha’s color scheme!
Ribura sounds very similar to "Libro" (book in spanish). If transcribed into romaji, Libro would be Riburo
9:15
hit that zaza
i was looking for this comment
And it wasn't even grass-type
That zaza got me moist and shouting water spout!
me when i Gogo get dat Zaza
Man I love learning about beta content in childhood games, even if the beta elements never come to fruition
Oh so Sableyes Mega brought back the unused concept of it clutching a giant gemstone from its Beta design.
I love that they revisited that. It gives it so much character.
6:51
I like how Absol's original design had a jing jang symbol on the back of its head, I wouldnt have changed it
I think it looks a little odd and too on the nose, but I can see why you could like it that way more too
@@melindamuller4466 well, yeah, it looks a bit weird, but I still like the fact of the simbol being there, idk, it makes it more...special...?
That face is mildly terrifying though
I kinda like it how it's now; subtle, natural looking but still recognizable. It's not awkwardly screaming "Look at me I have a yin and yang symbol on my forehead!"
@@ayskaripepperooni2770 Everyone has a different opinion, Im fine with how it looks now anyways, is one of my favourite pokemon
You can tell Japanese folklore was a big part of the beta designs
Most of the names are straight up Japanese(or mostly Japanese), I guess they always imagined their name and later in development considered changing their name into a "more international" one
so Nuzleaf and Lombre were originally 2-stage evo lines, while Hariyama and Manectric had a 3-stage line...interesting...
People found some more unused Gen 3 sprites. Which included an early Shiftry design that had a mask like Nuzleaf
We don't actually know if Lotad was supposed to evolve into Lombre at this point, though. Lombre lacks a lot of the details that link it to Lotad, looking more like a proper Kappa.
@@theandroid5282 fair point
0:22 キャモメとは到底思えない初期デザイン
0:26 クロボーシ?カゲボウズの進化前か?
1:21 トロイカ 目が異質で怖い
1:25 ウバウサギ 奪うと乳母とウサギとかけてるのかな?可愛い!
1:42 ビスキャル ハイビスカスとギャル?
1:48 カンボック 名前からして灌木が元?
1:56 モノラビ 何を掛けているか不明
2:00 スタンブ これも何を掛けてるか不明
2:09 リクギン ベータ版のリリーラのように見える
2:10 アレイ ポケモンとは思えない不気味な感じがする。これも不明
2:15 ケロメロ カエルとお腹のト音記号から見るにメロディと掛けている
2:20 コドミン 雷?のような見た目のポケモン
2:26 モスミ 恐らmossから苔だと思われる
2:40 プチ そのままの意味で小さいということか、もしくはプチフラワー
2:51 クジャッタ 孔雀以外思いつかない
3:38 ペンピン ペンギンとボーリングのピン
3:56 リブラ ライブラリ、なぜ鳥なのかはわからない
4:01 フラネ フラワーということはわかる
4:16 ハッケヨ 相撲の八卦よーいから来てると推測。マクノシタの進化前かな
4:31 オトマ オタマジャクシと音？
4:36 ピヨッコ アチャモのベータ版に見える
4:42 ニンフ 虫がモチーフから恐らく不完全変態のニンフとギリシャ神話の新婦とかけていると推測
4:46 プレパス 一体何をモチーフにしてるのかわからない
5:01 カジット 果実と齧るからきてるのだろうか
5:16 ライオウ まさかのライボルトの進化系。
5:21 ベルムス 手についてるのものからベル。ツリーのような形をしてるが不明
5:56 ヒポ ヒポポタスのベータ版か?
6:01 チャミン 何かのベビーポケモンか?
6:06 ピッパ こちらも何かの進化前のように見える
6:10 スノウン スノーとチャノウンモンエダシャクだろうか
6:16 ボンボンゴ ボンという擬音語とボンゴがかけられるていると推測
6:20 シオマグネ ハサミから見るにマグネットと塩。そのまんま
6:25 トチン トーチ(松明)が元だろう
6:40 ポンク ポンプだろう
6:46 タンプ 進化しタンクとなり大容量に
6:56 パオツ 何をオマージュにしてるのか不明
7:01 スイバ 色からして翡翠や他に酸葉が挙げられるがこれといったオマージュ元はわからない
7:21 シャボ なんだこいつは
7:26 パンパム パンという擬音がオマージュか
7:30 ハコガメ その名の通り箱と亀
7:51 トゲピョン 海外ニキの方も言っていたがトゲデマルのベータ版にも見える
8:01 ズルズ ズルックのベータ版か
8:11 エイドック エイドから補佐、ドッグで犬つまり補助犬が元か
8:17 ウエザリ てるてる坊主にも雨具を着た着た子供にも見える
8:21 チンキ ハーブの成分をエタノール剤で浸し作られる薬剤をチンキというがなぜ魚なのか不明
8:31 スノローラ オマージュ元不明
8:36 ヤッココ 元々のビブラーバの進化前のベータ版だろうか
8:51 ヘッピ これもオマージュ元不明
8:56 スパンク 髪がリーゼントのように見えるのでパンクからとっているのではないか
9:01 リリディ 彼岸花の英語名がred spider lily
のリリーとレディをとってつけたと考える
9:06 クルミ そのままの意味で胡桃なのか？
9:12 サンサン ポワルンはベータ版ではそれぞれのフォルムに固有の名前がついていたとはそれかそれぞれのフォルムが野生で出現するようになっているのか
日本語コメあって助かります
343番のペンピンは見たまんまボウリングのピンだけど、それに連なる344番のタマザラシは元々ボウリングの玉を意識したデザインだったのかもしれませんね
Not using original Hoenn music is a crime
I thought it was 😭
🎺🎺🎺
4:36 probably inspired torchic design
8:02 scrafty...?
Ay!
It too cute...
It evolves into a Grovyle with Archeops' typings
@@Faniwa828 No it doesn't, it was cut before Archeops was. Archeops was a 1 stage Fossil mon just like Aerodactyl when it was in Gen 3. It's sprite colors don't match it's concept art for right before it was cut.
Also, I said Archeops on purpose because that sprite was Archeops and was later redesigned for Grovyle.
@@Quackra Thanks for the clarification! Do you have a link by chance? I want to read more about this
1:51 Komari, my beloved ❤
Yeah, his/her design is stricking. I dont know why is discarted. 😞
Kinda looks like Minum, Plusle and Baltoy fused, in a way
0:12 Nuzleaf’s beta design fits way better with the Tengu yokai design theme they based Shiftry on 😭😭😭
**boyatto**
Is seedot a daruma doll?
@@Bunchie-gt8oy Actually Darumaka is canonically based off of a Daruma doll
They basically turned Nuzleaf into a Pikmin
@@amandamakin1542 Yep
0:22 happy for them
these birds gay
good for them!
good for them.
2:05 looks like an early version of Cradily
Love how the idea of sableye hiding behind a jewel got reused for his mega
6:54 Now i understand Absol’s design
The Yin-Yang on the back sprite & the two-face thing on the front was removed on the later one. It's interesting that Absol looked like that before it was changed.
Absol being a ying yang pokemon before being a disaster pokemon is so great, i prefer the current design, but beta absol still have a place in my heart
7:01 this mf looks like it came straight out of pony town
3:41 THE OLD SPRITE IS SO GOOFY I LOVE HIM
I can't believe my guy used to be monochromatic
he basically looks like a regular ass seal 😭
A really cool fact about it is that it seemed to originally be connected to Pingin. Considering seals are natural predators to them irl and they were based off bowling pins..
1:29 i like this one could stay in game
I swear there’s always a Plesiosaur that gets cut every gen lmfao.
Yeah, especially the blue one seen at 9:30 is most certainly the scrapped Gen 2 seal-plesiosaur starter that was replaced by Totodile, & not only almost made the cut here, was changed to possibly be Water/Grass in-game, with the art being the OG typing before getting scrapped again.
The scrapped Gen 2 anchor shark at least made the cut, but not before getting downgraded.
It possibly could be in Gen 8, but it's stuck as an abomination chimera made by the dumbhead, Cara Liss, being horrifically melded to a velociraptor or a dunkleosteus. 😢
I'm pretty sure that this one eventually ended up becoming Drampa.
9:01 ohhh this one is actually great
this one sucks ass tf you mean
I really like Riridi‘s design too!
Considering that it looks like it's wearing a mask and a robe and it's name could be a play on the word "riddle", I'm wondering if you were supposed to get it (perhaps as an egg) from one of the challenges in the trick house?
Nope.
@@crashkid3000looks bug-psychic type
8:06 His original color turned into his shiny (but in Sceptile)
"Mom, can we have Hawlucha?"
"We have Hawlucha at home"
Hawlucha at home: 3:55
hawlucha: where do you work out?
ribura: the library
hawkluah
4:28 I think the first pic on the left must've inspired Iron Hands
ill be honest i don't see the resembles other than both being hariyama
Yeah I gotta say I think Iron Hands is more inspired by the picture on the right
@@emeraldblade3747the only common part is the bright yellow. There could be an inspiration but could be just coincidence.
Wdym iron hands is literally just future hariyama
Pippa, my beloved
1:32 I thought it was a beta version of jirachi
Or Mareanie.
Beta Zigzagoon looks straight out of Kirby’s Dream Land 3
7:56 bro, this zigzagoon looks like something from kirby Dreamland 3
And it have some goofy ass name like “Billy” or something
0:17 So THAT is what it's called: Boyatto
It reminds me to "Warwolf" from the Pokémon Gold Beta.
3:17 theres definitely some Latias DNA in Blaziken's beta
Trapinch evolving into Vibrava suddenly makes a whole lot of sense: It was never supposed to!
I'd argue that it has always made sense, which is why in this version they were probably at least related or just mistakenly placed apart. The latter seems more lokely considering nincada was apart from ninjask. Trapinch is the larvae of an amazing little insect called an antlion. The Larvae acts and looks pretty much like a trapinch, whilst the adults are a spitting image of flygon and act the same.Really fascinating insects and absolute menaces to ants when they're Larvae!
Why would an antlion larva turning into an adult antlion not make sense?
Wait, why are you concluding that based on the video? They are in different number position and the design doesn’t match: the colors, design, etc…
When
When you're wrong
@@Absol-cy9gznah trapinch wasn't supposed to evolve to vibrava and it was just made an evolution to it because the developers wanted it to
4:11 so Gorebyss and Huntail would have been one originally?
Somehow, I'm convinced that beta & scrapped mons often serve either as inspirations for or are reused as later mons
They are
Leafeon and Mime Jr. were originally planned for Gen 2
Shellos was originally planned for Gen 3 (but it isn't in this leak)
and that blue lizard thing here might be a beta Scraggy
@@socialistrepublicofvietnam1500That beta Grovyle is also beta Scrafty, beta Huntail's imitation fish tail became Gorebyss, the scrapped Tadpole design may have become the inspiration of Litwik, & the beta frog with the tongue scarf may have been reused for Greninja.
6:59 Guessing this is beta Zangoose, but it also resembles Obstagoon. That might be why they gave the design to the Zigzagoon line
@@amandamakin1542I'm sure Merokero and the tadpole were redesigned for the Seismitoad line
@@BrokenValentine-333It was apparently a cut evo for Spinda. (Or the Pokémon that preceeded it)
Woah, at one point Huntail had a Gorbyss-shaped tail! That makes its name make a ton more sense!
Also, I'm so glad Flygon got redesigned from its initial form... it looked too much like Vibrava and it looks so odd without its head crest/spikes. o.o
(also glad that Trapinch became its basic form because it led to one of my own personal Pokemon-related stories - the one where I gave up looking for a Flygon to complete my team and decided to catch the little orange antlion Pokemon that I'd just encountered to complete my team instead...)
Huntail does still have a Gorebyss shaped tail, it's just a lot less detailed--less 'Girafarig double-sided' and more like how an actual lure for prey would look on a sea creature.
Flygon is such a baller design. Seeing a beta design is neat but it really was tuned basically perfectly.
@@SaerasChuu True, it's just a lot less obvious to me - seeing the beta with the more obvious Gorbyss tail makes it click for me.
And Flygon will always be one of my favourite Dragon types for it's design and my afore-mentioned story. 😃
8:20 Oh my god... is that... Duke Fishron Jr ?!
3:56 RIBURA IS SO COOOOL i feel like i am subconsciously biased because it has hawlucha’s color scheme almost EXACTLY, which is interesting to notice.
4:03 the shape and ideia reminds Celebi
7:21 interesting design that would fit in gengar gang
team meanies lookin ahh
2:53 i love this Desing
It's literally a normal Peacock
@@blackmounthare and feebas is just a fish, Pidgey is just a bird and poochyena is just a dog, what is your point again???
@@blackmountharelike Flamigo but peacocked
@@blackmounthare Man, it's almost as if Pokémon were supposed to be animals with elemental powers. Just imagine, that'd go so hard.
@@trap631
You ratioed bro so hard that he had to retire from this comment section 😂
I laughed HARD at the comments on a couple of discarded designs labeled as "TOO HUMANOID". LMAO were are those people now with Lucario/Meowscarada and Quaquaval and Kirlia/Gardevoir/Armarouge?? 🤣🤦🏻♂
Oddly this was the gen where they tested to see if more humanoid designs were fine with the players. That's apparently why the Blaziken design was changed.
Then in the very next gen they released Lucario and Lopunny, Lucario probably unintentional but Lopunny is just taking the piss
@@bluegum6438ahh, lopunny… 🥰
Gardevoir wasn't supposed to even look humanoid, if you look at it's original sprite it's clearly just a paper figure
I think there is a difference - these humanoid ones look just bland and humanoid, while your actual examples have a clear non-human origin to it.
We missed out on a peacock Pokemon!?
I mean we now have quaqaval but it's more like part peacock and part duck/seagull
It even looks like Kurumi (at 9:06) is the baby form; the tail feathers look a lot like the smaller blue feathers found on Kujatta (at 2:50)
And also a book bird!
@@Sottiwotti I wish the book hummingbird bird was real, too 😢
I’m more upset about the mantis shrimp.
Smoking that 9:18 pack 🔥🔥🔥🍃
Beat me to it
Really good pizza
The world was not ready for penpin
I love clamperal, the penguin pin chicken, and the big doggo lol
With what appear to be all these music and sound themed pokemon, perhaps they were dabbling with the idea of introducing a sound type.
Hell, there's even the unused Cacophony ability to further hint at this, I wouldn't be surprised if Chimecho and the musical tadpole mons were supposed to be sound types
Also the Spirit pokemon's leaked dex entry says it makes a xylophone-like sound, so that could've been planned to be Sound type too
I thought of Bonsley when I saw the tree. It's expression is similar and has the weep holes
5:30 Beta Shedinja would've haunted everyones dreams for sure
1:01 Biblically accurate Woobat
5:18 They were supposed to evolve one more time!? We were so robed. At least there's Luxray that does the same thing.
7:06 Maybe that's why Altaria is a dragon type
7:31 I love this turtle :)
7:53 perhaps this was basically the first iteration of Togedamaru
8:02 Scraggy?
9:20 Haunter but whirlwind, I get why they redesigned it.
9:28 And then you have Castform that looks like a smurf. I'm not a fan, but at least it doesn't have those weird balls.
I was thinking that beta Castform looks like a sock.
Don’t be sad, the third evo looks horrible! Also the castform design looks 1000x better, along with its forms.
0:25 I wish Kuroboshi was real! There was a lot of potential imo! Imagine how look it would look with calydoll. 😢
6:42 i'm pretty sure that's beta Whismur
4:12 they always try to put a concept similar to girafarig but they always end up cutting them... Why? This is so cool, it's better than the ones we got at the end
6:06 deserves creativity of the year award.😂
0:45 I'm a beta Poké-urp-mon design, Morty! Gimme a water stone right the fuck now!
How did I never notice that Absol's face kind of looks like the yin and yang?
I will protect Pippa with my life... also you're telling me that out of all the scrapped pokemon, NOSEPASS managed to make it?!
Tbf, however ugly he is, Nosepass does have a pretty unique design concept, with the whole compass thing going on
Though, he seems to have gotten scrapped for a while, since appearently, at one point in development after these sprites, Nosepass' slot was filled by a scrapped Torkoal preevolution
My guess is that after the Black Stone pokemon got scrapped later in development, they looked though the old index where these leaks came from and got Nosepass because they needed a rock type mon to put on Roxxane's team (a lot of pokemon seem to have gotten scrapped and then reintroduced again, like Chimecho)
@@starlite_music-g1s oooooh I was just making a silly joke but that's quite interesting!! out of curiosity since there doesn't seem to be a beta design of it in this video, was there any other early concepts of poochyena found in the leak?? just out of curiosity (it's my fav pokemon lmaoooo)
@@RocketPooch Actually poochyena is an interesting one in this, everything about it is in the index, its dex data, stats, typing, height and weight, everything is there EXCEPT for the sprite
Though, there is one thing about It that was found, an early version of its sugimori art where it looks more sad and is more hunched over, having a completely diferent pose, which interestingly seems to have been the base for the sprites in the final game and not the other way around as it usually was in gen 3
Yes I know i'm a big nerd when It comes to pokemon development
@@starlite_music-g1s noooo that's super cool, ty for the info!! where exactly do I find that artwork you're talking about? :0
I'm really surprised that people are comparing Nobinyobi to Baltoy and not Komari. Komari really feels like an alternate Baltoy, what with the 'clay pottery' sort of design inspiration they share (though I love both of their designs).
Also, Piyoko looks like a grass Tochic.
Some of these sports look like something from Quartz
Ok, I'm not going to lie. A few of these look a hell of a lot cooler than the design we got, and some of the scrapped Pokemon look like ones that they would add to a future generation, and I kinda hope they do! Also, who else is with me when I say that beta Blaziken looks a lot like a fusion between itself and Latias?
It was known before all of the leaks that a "Latiken" or a Blaziken and Latias pokemon existed, you can search it on internet.
And indeedie, it looks very cute with that design, makes me like it more than the actual Latias
Doubt they will honestly... 8:53 and 9:00 were pretty cool. Also Sharpedo 1:10 looked better in its first design
I didnt like the majority, I think we got a good direction imo. But still had some cool and fun concepts.
Tbh most of them look rly bad
we had concept art of early blaziken and im pretty sure it was confirmed in an interview that it split off into blaziken and latias, also it was the first gen 3 pokemon if i recall?
5:21 there is something Calesteela going on here
Abobasnwol
Duraludon but awesome.
1:41 gyaru queen lowkey
And I am more and more convinced they had Sound type in mind for gen 3, we need that BACK LIKE NOW!!
Also, we were robbed of too many cool designs (even beta Meloetta was a great idea!) T__T
They did not, and no we don't
@@AztecCroc lol why the negativity
@@AztecCroc Yes we do. happy now? Stop wasting my time if you're just an ignorant kid
3:12 kinda need this rn
I know, right?
no mantis scrimp 😢
6:15 Donkey Kong Punch out
Keromero was that frog from the leaked dex, the one that got confused or maybe was a pre-Tympole concept🔥🔥
Apparently they evolved into it
2:17
So were they planning to add one Poliwhirl evolution each generation or something
POLIWHIRL!!!!❤
That's actually an evolution to the record player tadpole seen later in the index, It had nothing to do with Poliwhirl aside from looking kinda symilar
@@starlite_music-g1s sow, him Is a MEGA EVOLUTION FOR POLIWHIRLLLLLLLLLL🔥⚡👊✌️🔥⚡🔥⚡💪🌟
Tentaquil
5:30 shedinja is so cool even the beta that look like a monster is so cool
3:11 You’re telling me could have had a mantis shrimp pokemon!?
0:41 that wailmer is _cursed_
Interestingly, Wailmer was one of the first Hoenn Pokemon featured in the anime where it debuted with this exact color scheme
It appears that is a bouncing animation XD
@@yoshibrothers9982 interesting, and understandable since it's pretty iconic. I know Blaziken, Munchlax, and bonsly were the first (corocoro, anime and XD Gale of Darkness, respectively)
3:21 Roselia, weight watchers before and after. She had to if she wanted to make the final cut. Lol
Some of them are better than their final designs.
4:45 we have been robbed!!!!! Purepasu is such a cool pokemon concept, if only they made use of all of these pokemon
Beta "Blaziken" was called Elhawk when moved to other slot
For 20 yearold designs, I'm impressed they never reused some of the new Pokémon. It's crazy to see most of of these after going over 1000 Pokémon now.
Except they did, with modifications: Ninfu became Vespiquen, Purepasu became Drampa, Hipo possibly became Snom, Sunoun became Frosmoth, Zuruzu became Scraggy, Sunorora became Beartic, and Beta Sableye became Mega Sableye.
And Heppi clearly became Zorua.
8:06 someone clearly messed up the Japanese on this one. The Japanese is very close to Archeops' Japanese name Archeos.
Also, if you're wondering the sprite was obviously redesigned and used for Grovyle, but it was originally being made for Archeops.
shading looks like fanmade Pokemon from like the 2000s or something
only some tho
8:25 Y'know, That Beta Relicanth Could Be Reused For Some Sort Of Regional Form
I'VE BEEN SAYING FOR AGES WE NEED A HUMMINGBIRD POKÉMON AND WE ALMOST HAD ONE????
Camerupt - improved
Pelipper - looks more like a normal Pokémon now, but my god, is it a missed opportunity for Team Aqua with the old one.
Nuzleaf - much more Tengu-like in the old one, but a bit too busy.
Boyatto - weirdo, don't mind him gone
Bi - why is Wingull there?
Kurobosshi - no clue what it is, don't mind it gone.
Azurill, Kecleon, Wailmer - all around minor improvements
Lombre - HATE the old hair, so much improvement
Seedot - more personality on the old one, but I prefer the new 'helmet' and colouring
Surskit - the new spindly legs are much better than the weird rings
Masquerain - why the hell is the old one in this weird like seedpot-cocoon?
Sableye - much prefer the new one, it is the more interesting and clear design
Sharpedo - the scrapped design rocks
Claydol - the colour change is for the good
Toroika - I like it, and let's be honest, even with tons of water types, the regions waters can still feel a bit samey, so I would have loved him
Ubausagi - pretty bland bunny, what's with the beans in the grass on its back? Doesn't feel connected, don't miss it
Nobinyobi - almost looks more like a preevolution to the old Lombre?
Shroomish - the old one is kinda very bland
Bisukyaru - weird little thing, I think I don't like it?
Kanbokku - almost looks like a beta Bonsly?
Komari - kinda cute, I like it
Monorabi - knock off eeveelution looking weirdo
Sutanbu - a tree stump, clearly, and still I wonder what the hell I am looking at
Rikugin - a bit too colourful, clearly looks like a beta Lileep/Cradily
Arei - depressed Suicune meets Milotic? I don't like it much
Keromero - what a cutie
Kodomin - is it odd that I like them?
Mosumi - a moss Pokemon?
Swablu - has improved
Banette - has improved
Puchi - hate it
Breloom - massively improved
Kujatta - just kinda a normal Peacock, but I want one
Wynaut, Duskull, Trapinch - very minor changes, basically all improved
Shakokaku - why is Dusclops here? It doesn't look anything close to being related to Beta Duskull
Blaziken - I like the old colours more
Roselia, Chimeco - basically no change, all improved
Nincada - looove the new one, but the old munchers are so cute too and give it a run for its money.
Penpin - oooh, fun
Spheal - much improvement
Swalot - minor improvement
Tropius - the old one is sooo ugly, big improvement
Ribura - very cool, miss it
Furane - hmmm
Clamperl - love both, the old one is a mencace and I kind like it more.
Huntail - always cool, like the new one more (cleaner), but the old backsprite showing off the tailtip is superior
Hakkeyo - kinda cute
Makuhita - prefer the new colours
Hariyama - prefer the new design
Utoma - quite funny
Pyokko - kinda cute, but odd
Ninfu - too busy
Purepasu - intriguing, but no
Skitty - the new one looks not like a drug addict and trip at the same time anymore
Numel - just cleaned up
Kajitto - kinda cute
Electike - the new one is better
Manectric - the old one was cooking something
Raiou - complete mess
Berumusu - better than Abomasnow, that's for sure
Ninjask - what changes?
Shedinja - the new one is cleaner, but the old, horrific one is more interesting
Lotad - cute, prefer the new one
Spinda, Lunatone - only some clean up
Lairon - the old one is cool, love the pop of colour, the new one is more interesting apart from that though
Hipo - that... exists, I guess? Why?
Chamin - thank god we got Happiny instead of this freak
Pippa - so bland it might as well be a stick figure
Sunoun - cool, just really cool
Bonbongo - horrific, burn it with fire
Shiomagune - soooo fucking cool
Tochin - derpy, what is it? why does it kinda look like a bong?
Spoink - big improvements with the new one
Grumpig - the new one is more visually pleasing, but the old one was kinda cooking, the horrific cooked pigs head with the apple in its mouth??
Poku, Tanpu - what the heck is that?
Absol - the new one is more subtle, I like that
Paotsu - I kinda like it
Suiba - what is it? why is it?
Rairai - no. Why the noodle body?
Nosepass - much cleaner now
Shuppet - basically no changes
Shabo - no clue in the world what this freak is, good that it's gone
Panpamu - kinda fun
Hakogame - feels kinda disjointed, but I like it
Latias, Latios - basically no change
Togepyon - what are its eyes in this mess?
Zigzagoon - oh fuck, they messed up, give me back this cutie patootie!
Zuruzu - funny, seems repurposed into Scraggy?
Akeon - Grovyle is cooler
Eidoggu - fine, but kinda bland and shapeless
Uezari - what is it? Kinda intrigued
Tinki - kinda fun, and would make the waters more diverse
Relicanth - the old ones face looks so wrong
Sunorora - odd stance, but otherwise fine
Yakkoko - sooo cute
Vibrava - the old one looks a tiny bit more fierce, but I love both equally
Flygon - thank god they did something with the weird, ugly smooth head, new Flygon is soo much better, although the old colour scheming is much closer to Vibrava
Heppi, Supanku - they bother me somehow; did they just put Vulpix where they might have put this one?
Riridi - I like it, I am very intrigued, but the older one is better
Kurumi - this is sooo odd, but so funny
Sansan - almost better than sun Castform
Zaza - sooo much worse than rain Castform
Gogo - interesting, but much worse than hail Castform
Castform - soooo much better now, why was it a living smurf hat and forehead before? The backsprite could literally be one for a smurf
Electrike and Manectric's beta designs are just adorable 🐶⚡️😍
Wow. The siren looking seal was the og Sun and Moon starter. So is the frog with a orange tongue around it's neck. Fascinating. Rubara (bird with book for wings) is probably the concept that eventually became the Aplin line. Teruzu(sp?) Lizard with skin around legs also made a return later on.
Huntail’s tail looking back at you in back sprite would’ve been real rad
1. I think chamin, hakogame, and paotsu are supposed to be happiny, torkoal, and Zangoose respectively.
2. Breloom and Flygon got upgraded
3. Castform and its forms, Nuzleaf, Sharpedo, Shedinja, and Huntail got downgraded
4. I find beta Absol more memorable than the official version but I am lowkey glad that the yin-yang concept got revisted to a serperior degree with Zekrom and Reshiram
5. Beta Altaria makes 1000% more sense as a dragon than the official version
6. Utoma was definitely suppose to evolve into Keromero. Clever use of the music theme
7. Beta Scraggy was going to evolve into Beta Grovyle? Huh. You learn something new
8. I always felt like Spheal was a lazy design, but with Penpin now its design is a bit more witty.
9. Mega Sableye is a shout out to its original concept this entire time. That's neat
10. Where's the water starter bunny?
I don’t think they had made any of the starter sprites at this point. You don’t see Torchic or Treeko here.