@@419chris419 no christ, Nido very clearly stated, 'Being "ironically" racist can and will attract genuine racists.' Please show me where the word 'comedian' is used and also, show me where the comedy of saying slurs is.
@@1mclv he’s not black tho. Black people were most affected by iddubz content. I mean, yeah he’s gay but before that he’s white and therefore wasn’t the target for the racism and bigotry. /nm
Came back here to say: I wonder what skeletons are in his closet. If Charlie got this offended and defensive over an apology video that basically said "casual racism is racism, whatever the intent" then something def hit a nerve.
@@milogang3440 as a black guy, i pray one day you free yourself from the hold they have on you. also OP i agree with you, it got me looking at him different
The people asking “what damage” obviously didnt watch the actual apology where he talks about very real instances of damage such as his interactions with fans and the harassment to his wife
Charlie’s whole point is that it’s not his fault kids watched his clearly adult content because they had no parents monitoring them anyways and idubbz made videos for older people who were supposed to understand the nuance of using the slur like how South Park is technically two white guys saying the n word but trey Parker and Matt stone shouldn’t apologize either they just don’t do it anymore which is showing their understanding.
Exactly. I literally had ppl in school come up to me in school and called me racial slurs all bc of ppl like Ian, Filthy Frank and Leafy. How does he not get it?
@@mxlcxlm1518 because thats such a isolated experience and frankly i just dont believe that was the only reason why, during middle and highschool (where they were at their biggest) i had been to 4 different schools and never had that kinda stuff happen because of fans of a youtuber
You don't understand the word irony, as there isn't a hint of it here. Watching and having a response or reaction to a long form statement isn't ironic, regardless of your feelings about it.
@@iggynub The irony comes from criticizing the long form statement's lack of conciseness in a fashion that is equally if not more long-winded and disrespectful to the viewer's time. It's the definition of irony.
Damn dude im a huge fan of yours and i happen to be black. Its tough watching you dismiss something that was tough for me to deal with. I get where your coming from but u arent part of the groups hes hurt dude. Please have some empathy
@@steveman751 media affects real life social aspects, while he might not have been harmed directly by ians content, the culture of bigotry he facilitated to his fans had lasting effects on others.
can you actually articulate why some person using the n word is tough for you to deal with? Like, is it because if they use it, it makes you think they do not respect your ancestors, and it bothers you when some internet person doesn't respect your ancestors? Or is it because you think it means he doesn't respect you, a person he's never met? Or what exactly am I missing? Or is it just a free sympathy pass that you get to use?
@@nGUNNARp can you articulate why the n word has been considered a racial slur towards black people for centuries? Or are you completely removing any context to that word so you can pretend its some funny internet word that has no racist intent behind it?
@@realskydiver777 he mentioned chris on a stream but didn’t exactly specify why he was getting hate. But Also he didn’t do a whole video about like he would always do with every other small mr beast drama.
Where are you? Go look at any other comments section. Especially on any other social media. Nobody agrees with idubbbz, they think he's being a massive cock and that most of his videos weren't even that bad. Seriously most of them are him down speaking saying awful things. Also they're just going to be re-uploaded right now. If you really want to grow then you accept your past
@@mesaplayer9636 1. No one here mentioned black people and 2. Yes, he apologised for many things and specifically directed an apology to “black and minority people”
When I was in middle school groups of white boys would chase me down the halls screaming “n***** f*****” because it would make me cry. Without fail. My parents and grandparents and great grandmother would sit me down and tell me stories of slavery, bigotry, misogyny, r*pe and dehumanization. That is what those words carry. I understand not all people realize this is what these words carry. So people are speaking out about it. That’s what this is about. That is the harm that was facilitated. The ignorance and the weaponization of language under the guise of apathy. I don’t mean to lecture. Im just disappointed in this take. I understand that hatred wasn’t Ian’s intention, but it is nice he is willing to take responsibility. 2016 TH-cam was awful for so many children of color and there was an impact. It all feels so counterproductive to undermine Ian’s apology and reflection. Him speaking on his turn to empathy is useful for people on the fence about things. It’s just disappointing to see this vid.
Thank you. Jesus fuck I was about to go insane seeing some of these replies. I’m a fan of Charlie but this was an absolutely shit take. I just saw a video that D’Angelo Wallace made and he did a good job of shooting down Charlie’s ignorance and reflecting on the impact that iDubbbz made on a huge generation of kids. Hearing Charlie say “you used those words for edgy shock humor,” and “you’re not a racist” takes a sledgehammer to everything that iDubbbz is apologizing for.
@@nooneimportant8157 why do you say that? i am not black, but I am indigenous and people would call me slurs as a kid because they knew it affected me. I wasn't old enough to understand it completely, but I knew that those slurs were wrong and carried the stories of horrific acts my ancestors went through by colonizers. try to have some empathy
@@user-do8rf3jg9rit’s justified, if you lived in a predominantly white area during the Idubbz area getting “ironically” called slurs and the N-word behind your back was supper common. Hearing it justified using the idubbz/leafy rhetoric was also common. Straight up racism and bullying, Heavily inspired by and carried out using idubbz arguments. He now realized this and apologized for it. He realized his legacy has both directly and indirectly cause so many kids to be unironically bullied, have slurs used against them. He had also directly radicalized many kids, causing them to turn into slur chucking racist edge lords, and he deeply regrets that. Charlie’s excusing him. L take from Charlie.
@@user-do8rf3jg9rno shhhtt they mad ain't no need to explain nothing to you causes I already know your ssttpid as ain't even gonna listen so whatever.😂🙄🙄😷
@@troypowers750 that's not what he's doing here. He's telling idubzz that an apology not directed toward him in the first place wasn't necessary. Does that make any sense to you?
@@Tubeytimeso it doesn't matter that his content encouraged people to normalize the use of dehumanizing words, and that he now regrets that and wants to apologize to the people he affected for it? I genuinely don't get it. This apology wasn't meant for people who weren't affected by his content in the past. Why do you feel the need to call it out if it doesn't affect you? Unless you think you're one of the basement dwelling losers he called out?
@@LukeWeiner1 Words aren’t magic. Saying the word that was used during these events doesn’t make them happen again. The problem with slurs isn’t that they were historically used to demean people, its that they can amplify malicious messages towards these groups. If we operated on the basis that anything associated with something bad in the past is always bad, than environmentalism and wanting rights for animals is literally neo-nazism because Hitler was fond of these things. Also he wasn’t the “spokesperson” for this word.
people get wise to shit at different rates. as he's addressed his social scope was limited compared to where it is now and his biggest period of growth was defined by encouragement and validation for whatever he was doing or saying at the time. people twice as old as him have identical views to what he had at 28 and worse yet what many people have at 17. look at Tate.
@@benabroad8872 TH-cam has been hammering down on edgy content for several years. It's not like that's a thing that just happened last month. Ian is trying distance himself from his past self. And as a result he regrets many things he did, some of them which were not that bad. This can happen at any age in your life. I think it's far more harmful to not question yourself and justify your own behaviour unreasonably.
People who disliked what he used to do are just soft weird twitter people, apparently even now when he's trying to gain them as audience they still don't like him lol
@@Tibovl If he regrets it because YT are hammering down on it then he's not sorry. He's just a b'ch. Nothing he did harmed anyone. The only person to call him out on it is himself.
While idubbz and his behavior were reflective of the times, I still feel like his apology was warranted wholeheartedly. One of those axe forgets but the tree remembers type of things. Damage is done either way so to try and reconcile is always welcome
Low impulse control does far more damage than idubbz making a joke. Maybe the population "damaged" by the jokes needs to stop feeling sorry for themselves and get a job.
@@Sneedmiredude really? Are you a POC? Are you a member of the LGBTQ? Are you Jewish? Do you know how shitty it was to go to school and get targeted by the “edgy” kids who watched his videos and harassed those communities? He apologized because those same kids who watched his content went on to directly imitate his “edgy” persona and it did cause damage. Just because you didn’t experience it, doesn’t mean it wasn’t real. And using the “need to get a job” thing is so 40 year old white housewife it’s stinky and lame be better.
@@Gamfluent I was 15 when idubbz started doing content cops. Everyone in my school would watch his shit, and slurs became regular vocabulary for most in my year. Although I don't blame Ian for this, like he said in his video, there is some amount of accountability for his audience, as kids and teenagers are very impressionable. I still think most of his content was great don't get me wrong but normalizing slurs is definitely not a good thing. He obviously wasn't racist or homophobic, neither were most saying it in my school, but none the less shouldn't be said in such a casual way.
I don't think he did this out of a place of obligation, he did it because it was making him uncomfortable. This apology video *was* the video he wanted to make, essentially.
I agree. The fact he’s more critical of himself than others are of him is not surprising, it’s human. If I did something I saw as bad, I am going to be the one to carry that full burden of guilt, but anyone else will just see it as another thing
This feels more like a personal confession. It doesn't seem to me like the entire point was to apologize to the people, but also just to get this off his chest since it's been bothering him so long, and it's like to set the record straight for people because his old self isn't what he wants to project to the world anymore.
I just find it very weird how he wants to separate himself from his old content but also clings onto it so tightly. He's removed content cop, but all the bad unboxings which still include the hateful rhetoric he's distancing himself from is still sitting on his page untouched. The one thing I just find so weird is that in the last boxing match, we walked into the ring with a boxing coat (or whatever it's called) designed after his "I'm Gay" elf costume, which clearly is just a callback to his old videos and only panders to his old audience.
You can’t just decide how people perceive you. He has most definitely changed as a person, he went from a brash opinionated edge lord to a disingenuous, insecure, pussywhipped, spineless, (I could go on forever) Clinton-esque cretin. His new doc series he tried to reinvent himself with is just as lowbrow as his old content. Getting on his high horse, pretending he’s a legit filmmaker, while sneak dissing and exploiting his interviewee (daxflame, airsoftfatty). He couldn’t pin down Sam and exploit him so he resents him, hates him. Ian has shown his true colors yet he’s so stubbornly senseless he can’t see how much he’s portraying himself as someone who severely lacks in integrity and grit
agreed. 90% of his takes i agree with entirely, but every now and then he'll have an astronomically bad take (in my opinion) whether it be on situations like these, moral topics, games, content, etc
not in a disrespectful way but he became me and my friends humour for our time in school and what that does is promotes the racist words being okay no matter what the words not being meant in a racist way but it’s still racist slurs
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a heartfelt apology on this app before so it’s kinda crazy. I knew it wasn’t coming but I was still waiting for the “*sniff* guys….. its been so hard to make this video…”
this is a concerning take on someone owning up to their actions and trying to improve themselves. unless you were one of the people his jokes were directed at, you won’t get it. his content very much normalized the use of many slurs and similar things. im glad that he’s changing for the better
i don’t understand charlie for this. Like i was on yt when this stuff was popular and other people didn’t feel like it was just ‘edgy’ humor. It wasn’t *acceptable* with a lot of the people at time so for him to act like it was just because it was common just feels really weird and dishonest. people probably didn’t criticize it as much back then because it felt pointless when you’d get dogpiled or worse for pointing it out
@@chucksneedlee it's the fact that he's making a strawman in the apology video rather than addressing the main criticism he's receiving, which is the froggy fresh and sam hyde situation.
@MrTredBear I think he means the vulgarity used at the time had more complex meaning like when South Park is edgy about a certain topic. The risk they take in their humor has meaning. But I don't agree lol if that's what he means
Not even just online you couldn’t present any type of fruity w/ out hearing “what are you fuckin gay” from other kids in school 😭 and I watched him too 💀
I think you overestimate. People have been vehemently offensive in the most vile ways for over a decade before idubbz showed up. They never slowed down or ramped up just because another edgy youtuber showed up. They simply took that as a place where their edgy humor was welcome. He didn't create any new edglords. He just gave them another place to be edgy.
@@WrangleMcDangle it’s cool when it’s in a group who’s cool w/ it. Going up to a stranger cause you think they’re gay and saying that is not funny. That’s being a dick. There’s a diff.
@@end.olives basically yeah...and to keep the same name associated with hate and bigotry therefore triggered all those affected....talk is cheap indeed.
Those kids would've acted like that regardless of whether or not they consumed Idubbz's content, m8. You're making the "video games cause violence" argument here.
@@cksupreme Normalization of using slurs and spouting casual bigotry leads to negative impacts of the community directly affected historically by said slurs and bigotry.
Idubbbz didn’t make them. They’re the kids that were calling you a f** in cod game chat in 2010 why are y’all acting like someone in 2016 created that it’s just internet culture by 2016 it was dying
@@cksupreme not remotely the same dude. or are you trying to argue that young children and teenagers will not emulate what they see their role models doing? like is that seriously what you're trying to imply? because one of the most basic things to understand about kids is that they are extremely impressionable.
@ergwertgesrthehwehwejwe his entire comment section under this and the L Take video are full of Twitter people saying "idubbbz changed", "you didn't grow up" strawman arguments, Hasan fans etc. It's actually insane that these people exist. Hell, they probably blame video games for making people violent if that's the case.
Just putting in my 2 cents about Charlie's "I don't think it harmed anyone" comment. As someone who had to deal with white friends I was in school with getting too comfortable with throwing N-bombs after I naively gave the pass to them, then throwing the idubbbz "either all of it's okay or none of it's okay" quote when I told them that I'm no longer comfortable with incessant their use of the N-word, I wish he hadn't made those videos, even as a fan of his back in that day. The flagrant crossing of my boundaries by classmates was certainly not helped by the culture generated by his content.
Your experience is not irrelevant…. Idubbbz did not have anything to do with a couple dipshit white kids you happened to be around using that word….. period…… maybe reconsider the next time YOU tell people it’s okay to say that around you….. It’s called the bell curve of humanity,,,, most people of ANY NATIONALITY suck….
The point is should he really be responsible for the actions of others it’s obvious his videos where constructed in the confides of satire and irony as is most comedy it’s not like he specifically told people to say it or promote it
I honestly feel like back then, idubbbz just got more and more edgy cause his community would push him and he either never stopped out of fear of losing his audience or just being desensitized
Regardless of the side of an issue you're on, expressing regret for your past is totally normal. Power to him for seeing something he doesn't like about himself, and deciding to change.
Tbh as a black person and someone who was a young teen watching his videos it didn’t really bother me that much what he was saying. It didn’t change me as a person or anything it was just videos on the internet. I feel like most people are so hypocritical when it comes to this stuff. Most of you find it fine when shows like family guy and South Park make some really racist and messed up jokes. But when it’s someone you can actually see and blame them you’re all against it.
Well the difference is when racism is portrayed in something like sout Park it's typically ridiculed, or the concept of it is mocked. Such as the episode where randy says the n word. Idubbbz on the other hand didn't portray these things in a subversive manner, the joke was often just the racism. Obviously your opinion is just as valid as mine, just my thoughts on the situation
@@Nexter-Lie that’s fair everyone has their own views, I personally don’t feel idubbz was or is racist it was just the jokes he was making but of the same people think hes racist when he really wasn’t. Only part that bothers me tho is penguinZ making a video on his apology trying to dismiss everything he said I don’t feel it was needed
It’s unfortunate. If anyone was actually offended by him they should either stop watching or grow tf up. Try being a minority in a country outside North America. I promise we ain’t that bad compared to everyone else 😂
this is like your friend apologizing to you about something and then someone who had nothing to do with the situation completely ignoring your feelings and being like “no no don’t apologize to them you should keep doing what ur doing!!!”
yeah when he said it was “just edgy” about racism normalization. Hate on all groups that come with a slur I had to check the video again… am I really watching charlie react to idubz apology?
yeah, except your friend isn't even apologising to you, they're apologising to the people that actually were affected and you butt in to say nah its all good
@@77768 and what about the content of idubbbz was normalization of racism? his point was people give words too much power. ironcally those bitching about using the n-word without context were the first using in a racist hateful way like Tana . you can think it's wrong to use the word but don't pretend it's the same as using to a black person to insult them based on their race or use it on all people.
@@doomedallweare5014 read what you said again… you’re contradicting yourself. If you’re a racist just own up to that don’t try to compare something bad to something ungodly & be like “see in contrast it’s not that bad”. That’s disgusting that you have to take it that far to justify it. The n word is above all a derogatory term with a dark history behind it. It’s bad as it is. it’s not “just a word”
My perspective is this: I don’t think idubbbz should apologize for criticizing other creators, but I think it’s good that he’s apologizing for HOW he did it.
The way he did it wasn't even bad. Ian is saying that he made himself seem better than everyone else but like Charlie pointed out he never actually gave that impression.
I feel like this isn’t a real thing and this is some sort of bad dream because I have never seen someone not accept an apology because they didn’t think the apology was needed
you've never once in your life said "sorry", then someone told you that you don't need to apologize? I thought that was something everyone goes thru at least once ya know
@deftd0ll99 that's when the apology's meant for YOU smartypants, why'd a rando jump in out of nowhere n be like "no u don't need to apologise to him" when they're not even being spoken to...
Sure but let’s not act like racism *isn’t* a huge problem. Like yeah, no one’s getting killed from him saying the n-word and telling his audience that it’s okay for them to as well, but it does create an unsafe and unwelcome environment for black people on the platform, and in turn, in real life as well, and that issue shouldn’t be trivialized.
@@cookiesncream9158 agree with this 100%, but i think the og comment was just countering how charlie started the video. like when he said “ian wasn’t killing puppies” like obviously but that doesn’t mean he can’t apologize for it. ykwim? i don’t think og comment was saying racism isn’t a big problem (because it definitely is) they were just countering charlie’s argument
@@senopai.8377 yeah yeah fs fs, I wasn’t tryna imply that og doesn’t see racism as a huge issue, I agree with everything they said, I just thought it was worth mentioning because that it could definitely be read that way.
Imagine being so weak minded and pathetic that you think COMEDY TH-cam VIDEOS create harm. Only someone MISERABLY susceptible to bad emotions would think of comedy this way. You need to grow up or everything will make you crawl in a ball and cry like a loser.
As a person of color and fan of this channel this video was so weird to me. What gives a white man the right to accept an apology or say an apology wasn't needed on the behalf of people of color, women, and other affected communities? Of course penguinz0 didn't feel affected none of the jokes were ag the expense of him. I luckily didn't get exposed to Idubbz content back in 2016 and only found out about how many slurs and harmful he jokes he used from Dangelo Wallace but I feel ad for all the people who were affected and didn't have the platform to say anything. After this video I won't be surprised if Penguinz0 grgs exposed for racism, sexism, or making harmful content in the past.
@ieatalot idk, Ian seems pretty ok (now). It shouldn't have taken a grown man to be on the receiving end to get it, but at least he gets it now. That seems to be miles ahead of Charlie
@@crosshavoc1387 it does matter thou. If I don’t mean to hit someone with my car, I still killed someone if they died. Words matter and dubz alone helped cause a new generation of asshats just like leafy
@@crosshavoc1387 ok, so you can drive your car on the sidewalk with the intent of getting to work a little faster, the people you mowed down on the way won't matter because turning them into a series of stains on the concrete wasn't something you intended on doing my point is that your actions, whether they be casual bigotry or vehicular manslaughter, have consequences regardless of intent
@@hwowwhwooyour analogy is invalid. Drivin on a sidewalk is illegal and you will hit someone regardless. Making content about people being useless, Idiots or generally being annoying is not something that bad if at all.
Lot's of victims here, with a parasocial relationship with Ian. Not living in reality must be fun. Let's all be offended about everything, forever. I AM THE VICTIM, THE APOLOGY WAS FOR ME. AND I WILL NOT ACCEPT IT. WAAAAH! WA WAAWA WAA WAAAA!
as a black person idubbz enabled so many of my white friends as a kid to use racist language and slurs around me and say hurtful things about black & Asian people so this video is honestly very tone deaf and I’m not sure what the point of this was
I agree for sure taking acountability and appologizing is important. I just feel he's looking at everything with rose tinted glasses. The part about slurs, and hate speech 1000% agree on how he's appologizing for it. However take that away and much of the content disecting keemstar and other really bad actors, nothin wrong with that. At the end of the day it is his call and I think people throwing a hissy fit over it are stupid, but I think he is over correcting hard
@@Gcannoli1837that’s what I’m saying, and you just see his new fans saying that the content cops were unnecessary when it objectively made the site better. People just can’t appreciate what he did at the time anymore. Hate the double slit catchphrase tho made him sound like an idiot
If someone wants to apologize for something they did at one point and now they deem that thing as a bad thing.. let them apologize. The apology could just be them making amends and clearing their own mind.
except the apology isnt about all that, question is, why you care so much about a dudes reaction to someones apologies when you dont know shit about the context of that situation?
This is such a weird hill to die on... The dude was upset about his content, which often used some of the worst slurs, and/or defended the flippant use of all slurs; why is that something to be upset over?? It is like Charlie thinks that iDubbbz's intent not being inherently negative, completely negates any guilt he should feel/have.
He didn't make an apology to satisfy some angry mob, no one was trying to cancel him. He did it because he knew it would get rid of the type of audience he doesn't want around anymore and I fucking get it.
@@poopyscoopy6984 to be fair, they had it coming. this kind of shit was probably hanging over Ian's head for a long time and that dragged all of it back to the surface and he felt like he HAD to get it off his chest.
Yeah, and I think that his apology is a perfect example of how the right's idea of "cancel culture" is BS. Ian wants to change and be better, and most people are giving him the space to. The only people at his neck are the ones who he left behind as he grew and are terrified by the thought that he could be right about being wrong.
I think this is striking a little close to home for Charlie. This is a commentary channel, not that different from what content cop was but less produced
Yeah, man, Charlie is sticking up for Ian. But what the left wants is public humiliation (stuggle session). That's why they don't want Chalie sticking up for Ian.
If you're not the one being affected by an ordeal, your opinion on it is irrelevant. It's like a European giving their "opinion" on 9/11, saying that it wasn't that bad and that Americans are overreacting because it happened in the past. Doesn't f*cking matter what you think, Mr. Teabag. It was bad for Americans.
And if you think rejecting the use of slurs is "lefty" behavior, you're just a shitty person. I'm right-leaning and know that being racist for giggles from other White people isn't funny.
@@lianadotjpeg If your suggesting idubbz was saying the n word in order to pander to racists, you are completely misunderstanding what he was about. He was using the word to prove a point that either all slurs are ok, or none of them are. Of course he didn't need to use the n word to prove that point, but to say he was just using the word because "racism funny" is dishonest. There is absolutely no problem with idubbz deciding to not use the n word in his newer videos, but labeling him and anyone who liked his old videos as racist is a very shallow thing to do, it shows the lack of understanding of where he was coming from. TL;DR I don't think he should have used the slurs, but calling him and his old followers racist is reductive and petty.
As a black man myself used to really liked Idubbz and I used to think a lot of his racist shock humor was funny. However, that person who use to find that funny also enabled others to make racist remakes about them because they wanted to fit in. Being in my 20’s I can now see how damaging casual racist jokes were to my self image and how I saw other black people were. Racist humor whether with good attentions or not still place a seed of bigotry that can grow into many things. Hate, depression, self doubt, confusion. Bigotry can do a lot when promoted which is why I personally am glad Idubbz understands the impact he could have had and why those jokes were so harmful
Same, as a pan poc girl, I used to think I was cool for liking his content. It also ruined my self image and I basically hated myself with everything I agreed with. I’m 20 now and I hate who I used to me, it caused me irreparable damage that I tried so hard to fit in with some guys and even some girls. I’m glad there’s a bunch of us who know the impacts he had.
Comment i left on idubbbz video: "To be honest Ian, your content did influence a lot of kids to be rather horrible. Anecdotal but nonetheless I experienced A LOT of bullying and harassment from people i considered friends and outside of them directly referencing your content. Discussions about your content, discussions about the use of certain words, were all justified because Idubbbz said so. I was one of the only black student at my high school and the only one in my year group. It was isolating enough to be a different skin colour, but further isolating when people around me started blurting n- f-, or saying those things to my face. No amount of appealing to these kids could save me from the torment. People say blame the parents, blame the so and so, but i want people to understand that Ians content played a role, it contributed and exacerbated the intensity of my treatment. All for what man"
This video is fucking weird… has Charlie seen his old videos? The content most certainly was harmful and cruel. He literally told someone to kill themselves. And he also literally ENCOURAGED people to use slurs. I agree with the sentiment that Ian never meant any harm by it and was just being incendiary, but he absolutely is responsible for fostering negative content on the platform. And the fact that he apologized without anyone telling him makes it that much more impactful. I really don’t know the purpose behind this video
Nah, we all got the message. He's just wrong. And it's really weird to be speaking over a person on their own actions. Especially when you were obviously never affected by any of the wrongdoing. That's super weird. He did not need to speak on this.
you are talking about the small minority, that know that idubbbz is coming from a place of simping and lack of integrity and dignity? the irony is too massive once you see the big picture, but people are simple and they just need to listen to pretty words instead of reasoning to come to conclusions, hense the reason they keep electing the same type of shitty presidents... you d think the new generation is better than that, but over here its still full of people who are easy to get manipulated with pretty words and dont really have the capability to form their own opinions, at least talking for the ones that arent just hasty to comment over coming across a couple of selective or wrong info
I'm a woman who likes idubbbz's content, and I have liked it since that time. I had never noticed that his fanbase was so bizarrely misogynistic until the Anisa thing started, it was shocking to me that he had to talk about it to his fans and tell them that sex work is fine (That's the situation I'm referencing here). Because before that I was just like you, thinking there was no harm being done, he was just being edgy and everybody understands that, right? Turns out he was breeding a very specific type of harmful human being who were his fans and even though I was his fan too, those people didn't even see me as a person. And all those fans assumed Ian was a racist, a mispogynist and a homophobe for real, not just "ironically", that's super dangerous. So yes the apology was very much justified and I am so glad he made it because I was always a fan and it's good to know that he is not a horrible person and has grew as a person.
I’m a female-born trans, bi, and autistic person who used to watch his content. My gf of the time would send me videos of his. The Tana video is where I drew the line. His defense of slurs made zero sense to me. Casual use of slurs was something I noticed people would act like wouldn’t hurt me but it was always a slippery slope to people then voting literally against my basic human rights. Or degrading me, assaulting me, kicking me out of my household. It was never just a word.
@@asmrtpop2676 yeah, I think I don't really have the same relationship with slurs as people who are American or have english as a first language (idk if that is your case but I'm assuming so). So when I watched that video it did seem like just edge to me, I didn't know how slurs are actually a big big deal in English. In my language (portuguese) we have very bad words but they don't have that weight, we don't really have completely forbidden words and usually those offensive words end up getting reivindicated by the group whose offense was directed to and they lose their strenght. Of course based on context you can absolutely use them in a very offensive way but there is no such thing as a "slur" the way you guys have. So now I get that that was in very bad taste but at the time I just interpreted the way I do in my language. I do completely believe he sees and understands the damage he did then, honestly, I appreciate it a lot. I'm also queer btw ^^
@@asmrtpop2676 Slurs are just words. They've been used in comedy all the time. I think if someone already has intent to hate others they will no matter what.
@@me61840 Yeah, like 7 years ago. Nowadays, it's too sensitive. If you make one dark joke, people would abolish you to the 9th circle of hell. And now that I think about it, 7 years ago, the US wasn't as focused on race. And it wasn't as close to being racist as it is today.
lmao i remember when he did his celebrity tier list and one guy (football player i think) had a dog fighting ring and critikal and matt were talking/joking about how much they hate animal abuse compared to “more serious” crimes
I’m personally really proud of Charlie subscribers for not just mindlessly agreeing with this video (it’s ok if you do) I think he’s misunderstanding this whole apology and I’m happy to see I’m not the only person that thinks that.
Being black in middle school during those “edgy” years was absolute hell. I was constantly harassed by kids parroting the same shit he said, calling me “n-word, f-word” and following me around constantly. I’m not saying Idubbz is responsible for anyone else’s actions, but he did encourage this kind of hate and bullying in his videos, and it did hurt real life people. I believe the apology is warranted. Just because you didn’t see the affects, doesn’t mean they didn’t happen.
@@watch-Dominion-2018 mockery might've been his intention but the outcome was what was posted in the comment above, that's what Idubbz was apologizing for. Braindead take I'm ngl
@@watch-Dominion-2018 are you trying to say that his previous content were satirizing slurs rather than just making a joke out of them ??? thats ... interesting
Ok, but counterpoint: as a former iDubbz viewer, I felt 0% vilified by his apology. I didn't feel like he was calling me out, nor accusing me of anything. I feel like I, much like he, grew up and learned what was okay and what was too far. I can't speak on his apology because he isn't apologizing to me. But when he says that he fostered a toxic community (whether intentionally or not) and that he put a megaphone before some toxic-ass takes and amplified them, I don't feel like he's being insecure or like he's a slave to his audience or like it has anything to do with me.
The only people he vilified are people who are real world villains. They are at the end of the day keyboard bullies. Anyone who feels offended by it is telling on themselves
@@cocaineinmyvein I don't wanna defend Ian, but I'd tell you the same thing that anyone else will tell you. Neither I, you nor anyone else for that matter is the same after 5 years, we change our worldviews, opinions and beliefs rather fast, because we always learn from our mistakes and successes my guy.
@@Humongous_Hongonggolongus None of those matters, because guess what? there are plenty of people who didn't or have never used slurs. So, for you to act like this is a mistake, or act that he's some recovering alcoholic as if being a bigot isn't the easiest thing to avoid, is laughable and almost embarrassing.
@@chickennoodlesoup3301 he was clearly ironically using those slurs my dude. Tell me oh infallible one, have you not done something that you regret or cringe at, if you think about your past self?
I disagree with the weaklings that think this is a bad take. I think it is nuanced, and compassionate. If you are offended, you are the type to race bait, and stoke the flames of racial hatred. Idubbbz seems like he's being brainwashed, and it's sad. It was a moment in time where he might have made the wrong choices, but it was funny to a certain extent. It may be offensive, but that is how humor works. If you can't see that, you should just take a seat and keep your whining to yourself.
I think idubbz genuinely struggles with his actions in the past especially when its so well documented. Its like of every regretful thing you dod as a child is recorded, you are famous for it and made a living of it. I feel like the guilt for me would eat me up inside. This apology video was a way for idubbz to give himself closure from the past.
It's not that complex though. If he genuinely feels this bad, quit the space. If you climbed to the top of a shoe-production company by quite literally sabotaging other shoe industries, the only way you could possibly "absolve" yourself of this is to remove yourself from the space. You can't sit on your throne at the top and act like anyone who dares act as you acted to get where you were is now somehow morally reprehensible and use your growth as an excuse to prevent others from doing what you did. It's an absurd ideology.
@@Biggleboggles I swear charlie is way off target with this one. idubbbz clearly mentions that he realises it was foolish of him to think he had zero responsibility for the indirect consequences of his edgelord content, leaving it upto the teen audiences to be responsible about not using his content to validate their bigoted views. like it's genuinely admirable that he takes responsibility and apologises publicly like this and then charlie is all "technically you didn't have to" 😂
He's also probably scared that since he's only 30 this stuff will remain online forever so I'd he ever becomes mainstream popular again, those clips of him saying the N word will always haunt him, so I feel like he is pre-emptively addressing those , especially with creator clash becoming more and more popular, at some point he was going to have to face the music
Hot take, but okay. As an actual black person who can or can not accept it, I appreciate idubbz apology. It was very much warranted despite your thoughts.
This isn't a hot take this is just facts. The apology wasn't meant for idiots like this. It was meant for the people who were ACTUALLY harmed so it was completely warranted and anyone arguing against that just feels personally called out for liking racist humor when they were younger. It's like they're surprised when not everyone grew up thinking saying the n word for shock wasn't funny.
@@lucas13flu you can’t just erase the power or meaning behind a word in the drop of a hat. normalizing the usage of these historically harmful words instead of realizing that history and harm behind them doesn’t do any good. these words have always been used in a bad way. there’s also tons of racist, homophobic, transphobic, ableist people around the world that want to use the power behind these words as a way to hurt others. they won’t change their opinions as easily as your saying.
@@pizzarollsrdone fine then, keep giving them power. See how much good that does. Whenever someone calls me a slur you know what I do? I move on with my day, and I don't let others get a rise out of me for no good reason.
People are really baffled by this take from Charlie. How? Americans really are being hung up on a fucking word. Do you guys even comprehend how a sentence work? What context and intent mean? There's a difference between saying slurs to be edgy and saying it to hurt someone else. There's no "casual racism" if there's no intent of racism. If we can take anything from what people say out of context to accuse them of bigotry that's fucking bullshit. That's fallacious reasoning. P-S: This is not an argument to condone actual racism.
I mean, mate, I'm gonna be real with you. Imagine if a queer person or a person of colour was afraid to talk to you, but they wanted to. Now imagine people are constantly walking up to you and screaming slurs because you made those jokes years ago. That's what Ian went through. But of course, charlie "never lies ever" cut those out on purpose so it seemed like Charlie was the super smart perfect guy you all call him
But also, go complain about the law. If you even jokingly say you're going to bomb a place, you WILL get in trouble. Doesn't matter what your intentions were, actions have consequences. What you and Charlie want, is for actions to only have consequences when you want.
i dont really get what's going on in the comment section here. this was barely an appology it was a way to fight back the people who say they miss the old iddubz, many people from the 2015 crew like maxmofoe and chad and many others like ksi or even pewdiepie slowly changed their content in different ways without having to shit on their old fans (who also were young and edgy and also might've grown out of it). You dont need to dedicated 2-3 videoes and go podcast after podcast to appologies for being edgy 8 to 9 years ago when everyone else was. you dont see all of the 2016 edgelords saying they'll never forgive themselves for being edgy 8 years ago. be realistic.
Yeah, that's how perspectives work? It's why empathy exists to help us understand each other in ways some might not have personally experienced but we can still understand each other and try to make some positive change for those who are affected negatively
isn’t it possible he is just genuinely reflecting on his past and how he’s dealt with it? Like Charlie says “this wasn’t so damaging that his career would be over” but maybe he just genuinely feels bad in his own opinion and wants to reflect. You don’t always need an exterior motive to apologize. Idk maybe i’m crazy
For real! Most people have actually forgotten about IDubbz, so that just further proves that he wasn’t just doing damage control, he genuinely feels bad and wants to make amends.
So many soft people in the comment section acting like they were personally physically harmed because of idubbbz past history. Get a grip and touch some grass. Lmfao
Personally I wasn't harmed, but if you aren't part of the group that had to deal with the toxicity and blatant racism of the internet at that time, you don't get to act like no harm was ever done. Idubbz is right that he contributed to a culture of cruelty and bullying and if you weren't on the receiving end of it, maybe you aren't part of the marginalized groups that suffered it and should keep your yap shut
@Rapistgaming-uq8fb Does it matter? Charlie is one of the biggest creators on the platform, everything he talks about garners huge amounts of attention. He should have enough awareness to understand that a sensitive topic like racism, bullying and online bigotry is not the kind of space he should be intruding. If he doesn't understand the effect he has a discourse then it's better he learns now rather than with something even more serious
@@ratlab5680 Bro, he was never actually racist towards anyone or bullying anyone. The only times he used offensive language/slurs, was when he was doing satire. He wasn't bullying people, just calling people out on their bs. Such as that Jynx guy or w.e. He was literally just stealing people content and not contributing anything to it and was being called out. Now people are trying to say it was racist to call him out just because he's black. I am a PoC btw, and yes, this younger generation is soft af. They treat everything as if it personally hurt them and everything is racism and the patriarchy. Its ridiculous. Grow some backbone.
@Rapistgaming-uq8fb Thank God I grew up in the 90's and 2000's. People weren't terminally online, socially awkward and offended by everything. Imho, social media and smart phones have made an entire generation of braindead people that can't handle anything that doesn't coddle them.
I agree with the idea that he doesn't *have* to apologise for the content he created 7 years ago, but I believe if he *wants* to apologise for it then he should be allowed to. If he genuinely feels bad for the impact he had on people then he has every right to apologise. In my eyes he didn't make this decision to satisfy his audience, he did it for himself
Yeah but it is gay and cringe. If he was really sorry he'd just move past it, but no he must prostrate himself on the alter of societal mainstream wokeness. Now he has his good boy points and morons lap it up.
@Bozo Central no the point that charlie made was that the apology was unneeded and that idubbz is over exaggerating the effect he had on people back in the day (which is not true)
Charlie legit said that Ian spammed slurs, and that isn't hurtful. Huh? I agree that Dubbz took down some good people with ContentCop, but having been the target of a lot of targeted harassment I can get why he feels like he does. Watching what his audience has done to his wife? Holy shit.
I mean I don’t have trouble comprehending the idea that he might have also done this to make it clear to the racists who already subscribe to him, and the future ones who may watch is older videos to denounce their ideology for the sake of the actual people who have to suffer because of them? I get what you’re saying but at the end of the day, his guilt for his past will never compare to the abuse marginalized have had to and will have to face, and that he’s spent his career promoting, and it’s tone deaf if you can’t see how anyone but he can benefit from his platformed apology for and denouncing of bigoted ideology.
Being "ironically" racist can and will attract genuine racists.
And? So are you saying when a comedian jokes about certain subjects it attracts certain people? How's it the fault of the comedian?
But you should still be able to make jokes without being called racist, sexist, or whatever.
@@419chris419 no christ, Nido very clearly stated, 'Being "ironically" racist can and will attract genuine racists.'
Please show me where the word 'comedian' is used and also, show me where the comedy of saying slurs is.
@@charlietraynor-croft6393 im with you on this but the n-word kind of crosses a line in this day and age
@@nebbygetinthebag7263 they were making an analogy...
Its really easy to pretend there was no harm done when you weren't the one being harmed
Isn't Critikal gay?
@@1mclv he’s not black tho. Black people were most affected by iddubz content. I mean, yeah he’s gay but before that he’s white and therefore wasn’t the target for the racism and bigotry. /nm
As a minority, no harm was done.
@@jhonklan3794 as a minority, harm was done
@@d0llst4r critikal is gay??
Came back here to say: I wonder what skeletons are in his closet. If Charlie got this offended and defensive over an apology video that basically said "casual racism is racism, whatever the intent" then something def hit a nerve.
as a black guy I couldn't care less about Idubbz saying the N word hard R as long as the joke is funny.
@@milogang3440 as a black guy, i pray one day you free yourself from the hold they have on you. also OP i agree with you, it got me looking at him different
This is so tone deaf and I hate that you can't see the damage he's done and accept that he was wrong
what damage lmfao
Why are there so many crybabies whining about being damaged by words? It feels like I'm on Twitter.
What damage, I’m actually curious
What was the damage?
The people asking “what damage” obviously didnt watch the actual apology where he talks about very real instances of damage such as his interactions with fans and the harassment to his wife
I don't think Charlie is fully grasping the impact iDubbbz content had on kids back in the day.
I did commit 79 war crimes due to his content yea, all of them were in call of duty but still
Charlie’s whole point is that it’s not his fault kids watched his clearly adult content because they had no parents monitoring them anyways and idubbz made videos for older people who were supposed to understand the nuance of using the slur like how South Park is technically two white guys saying the n word but trey Parker and Matt stone shouldn’t apologize either they just don’t do it anymore which is showing their understanding.
@@miguelsalazar1059 I know right? 🤣
Exactly. I literally had ppl in school come up to me in school and called me racial slurs all bc of ppl like Ian, Filthy Frank and Leafy. How does he not get it?
@@mxlcxlm1518 because thats such a isolated experience and frankly i just dont believe that was the only reason why, during middle and highschool (where they were at their biggest) i had been to 4 different schools and never had that kinda stuff happen because of fans of a youtuber
Making a 21 minute video about how his 10 minute apology was too much and unnecessary is peak irony.
that’s so funny😂i didn’t even peep
his apology was 17 mins
You don't understand the word irony, as there isn't a hint of it here. Watching and having a response or reaction to a long form statement isn't ironic, regardless of your feelings about it.
@@iggynub The irony comes from criticizing the long form statement's lack of conciseness in a fashion that is equally if not more long-winded and disrespectful to the viewer's time. It's the definition of irony.
@@iggynub the CEO of irony
Damn dude im a huge fan of yours and i happen to be black. Its tough watching you dismiss something that was tough for me to deal with. I get where your coming from but u arent part of the groups hes hurt dude. Please have some empathy
@@steveman751 media affects real life social aspects, while he might not have been harmed directly by ians content, the culture of bigotry he facilitated to his fans had lasting effects on others.
can you actually articulate why some person using the n word is tough for you to deal with? Like, is it because if they use it, it makes you think they do not respect your ancestors, and it bothers you when some internet person doesn't respect your ancestors? Or is it because you think it means he doesn't respect you, a person he's never met? Or what exactly am I missing? Or is it just a free sympathy pass that you get to use?
@@nGUNNARpno, it’s because he enables his fans to use this words against other people who DO get affected by it
@@nGUNNARp can you articulate why the n word has been considered a racial slur towards black people for centuries? Or are you completely removing any context to that word so you can pretend its some funny internet word that has no racist intent behind it?
@@steveman751 This is the problem, normalizing racism for people like you and labelling it edgy.
This is the first time ever I think I’ve seen everyone against Charles
this is like his only bad take
@@realskydiver777that and the way he would always glaze mr.beast but was dead quiet when they criticized him for his friend being a trans woman
@@adrianhernandez.j2956 I’m pretty sure he said something tho. But even if not, not saying something is different than saying something wrong
It’s the correct take
@@realskydiver777 he mentioned chris on a stream but didn’t exactly specify why he was getting hate. But Also he didn’t do a whole video about like he would always do with every other small mr beast drama.
really weird take to not accept an apology that wasn't for you to begin with
Where are you? Go look at any other comments section. Especially on any other social media. Nobody agrees with idubbbz, they think he's being a massive cock and that most of his videos weren't even that bad. Seriously most of them are him down speaking saying awful things.
Also they're just going to be re-uploaded right now. If you really want to grow then you accept your past
Right? And then to make another video basically doubling down is odd...
I’m usually eager to hear his takes on things like this but him being so ignorant is something I didn’t expect to hear
Idubz is apologizing to the community not just black people 🙄
@@mesaplayer9636 1. No one here mentioned black people and 2. Yes, he apologised for many things and specifically directed an apology to “black and minority people”
When I was in middle school groups of white boys would chase me down the halls screaming “n***** f*****” because it would make me cry. Without fail. My parents and grandparents and great grandmother would sit me down and tell me stories of slavery, bigotry, misogyny, r*pe and dehumanization. That is what those words carry. I understand not all people realize this is what these words carry. So people are speaking out about it. That’s what this is about. That is the harm that was facilitated. The ignorance and the weaponization of language under the guise of apathy. I don’t mean to lecture. Im just disappointed in this take. I understand that hatred wasn’t Ian’s intention, but it is nice he is willing to take responsibility. 2016 TH-cam was awful for so many children of color and there was an impact. It all feels so counterproductive to undermine Ian’s apology and reflection. Him speaking on his turn to empathy is useful for people on the fence about things. It’s just disappointing to see this vid.
I respect you.
Thank you. Jesus fuck I was about to go insane seeing some of these replies. I’m a fan of Charlie but this was an absolutely shit take. I just saw a video that D’Angelo Wallace made and he did a good job of shooting down Charlie’s ignorance and reflecting on the impact that iDubbbz made on a huge generation of kids. Hearing Charlie say “you used those words for edgy shock humor,” and “you’re not a racist” takes a sledgehammer to everything that iDubbbz is apologizing for.
That is literally the biggest load of bullshit I've heard in a while. You have never tasted true bigotry your whole life.
This is absolutely the least convincing story I've ever read. 0/10
@@nooneimportant8157 why do you say that?
i am not black, but I am indigenous and people would call me slurs as a kid because they knew it affected me. I wasn't old enough to understand it completely, but I knew that those slurs were wrong and carried the stories of horrific acts my ancestors went through by colonizers. try to have some empathy
i think this might literally be the only video from Charlie that's at all negatively recieved
fr all of those mad kids
@@user-do8rf3jg9rfor every right reason
@@user-do8rf3jg9rit’s justified, if you lived in a predominantly white area during the Idubbz area getting “ironically” called slurs and the N-word behind your back was supper common. Hearing it justified using the idubbz/leafy rhetoric was also common. Straight up racism and bullying, Heavily inspired by and carried out using idubbz arguments. He now realized this and apologized for it. He realized his legacy has both directly and indirectly cause so many kids to be unironically bullied, have slurs used against them. He had also directly radicalized many kids, causing them to turn into slur chucking racist edge lords, and he deeply regrets that. Charlie’s excusing him. L take from Charlie.
He tends to have bad takes because he goes through content too quickly
@@user-do8rf3jg9rno shhhtt they mad ain't no need to explain nothing to you causes I already know your ssttpid as ain't even gonna listen so whatever.😂🙄🙄😷
Why would you need to tell someone their apology is wrong?
To make sure it's actually genuine or serious.
To let them know they're overthinking things that don't actually matter, hypothetically speaking.
@@Tubeytime still an L take from Charlie tbh
@@troypowers750 that's not what he's doing here. He's telling idubzz that an apology not directed toward him in the first place wasn't necessary. Does that make any sense to you?
@@Tubeytimeso it doesn't matter that his content encouraged people to normalize the use of dehumanizing words, and that he now regrets that and wants to apologize to the people he affected for it?
I genuinely don't get it. This apology wasn't meant for people who weren't affected by his content in the past. Why do you feel the need to call it out if it doesn't affect you?
Unless you think you're one of the basement dwelling losers he called out?
It fills me with humanitarian faith that Charlie isn’t being blindly followed.
No, but idubbbz is.
He said naughty words and it was basically another Holocaust
Let's gooo
@@patrickkinnear8625 he is hitler basically.
Bc his audience is older and can think for themselves
Yeah, I may not agree with some comments but its a good thing to see a discussion
Charlie spends 20 minutes explaining why someone using the N word didnt hurt him personally 😂
You do know a lot of white people do get offended for other ethnicities. Be grateful Charlie isn't one of them.
And it hurt you? Words hurt you?
@@lordcchancleta9579 why be grateful for that? very pathetic take
@JoshuaWysocki-qr1py when the word pushes a white superiority complex i think it would hurt most people
@@Ethanbilski yes? do you not know how communication works?
what the fuck i charlie talking about?? 😭😭 ive never seen him miss this hard before
ong, biggest miss of all time
There’s a big difference between actions that are cringe and those that are downright wrong and unacceptable
And idubbbz’s were just cringe.
Boohoo bro he said a joke 7 years ago that everyone made
@@meatystalactite531brother no, he literally ripped the Quran book in half💀
There’s an even bigger difference between jokes and actions
he killed an actual real life mouse. he knew there was a living animal inside the box he was chasing it ith his fist you can find the video easy
Rice literally picked on a woman who was assaulted… that’s absolutely worth being criticized on a large stage.
I don’t think he’s saying he didn’t do some things that were valid or warranted. He’s just not proud of what he’s made as a whole.
Idubbbz has clearly developed Alzheimer’s in his elderly age
Doesn’t take away from the fact that idubbbz was literally the spokesperson for a word that was uttered as black ppl were lynched, raped, etc.
But when it happens to a dude nobody gives a shit xd
@@LukeWeiner1 Words aren’t magic. Saying the word that was used during these events doesn’t make them happen again. The problem with slurs isn’t that they were historically used to demean people, its that they can amplify malicious messages towards these groups. If we operated on the basis that anything associated with something bad in the past is always bad, than environmentalism and wanting rights for animals is literally neo-nazism because Hitler was fond of these things. Also he wasn’t the “spokesperson” for this word.
It’s not like he was a child when he was doing this stuff. He was a 28 year old man.
people get wise to shit at different rates. as he's addressed his social scope was limited compared to where it is now and his biggest period of growth was defined by encouragement and validation for whatever he was doing or saying at the time. people twice as old as him have identical views to what he had at 28 and worse yet what many people have at 17. look at Tate.
@@Lanooski True, but it’s just odd he suddenly got wise when TH-cam started cracking down on harassment/language
@@benabroad8872 TH-cam has been hammering down on edgy content for several years. It's not like that's a thing that just happened last month.
Ian is trying distance himself from his past self. And as a result he regrets many things he did, some of them which were not that bad. This can happen at any age in your life. I think it's far more harmful to not question yourself and justify your own behaviour unreasonably.
People who disliked what he used to do are just soft weird twitter people, apparently even now when he's trying to gain them as audience they still don't like him lol
@@Tibovl If he regrets it because YT are hammering down on it then he's not sorry. He's just a b'ch. Nothing he did harmed anyone. The only person to call him out on it is himself.
Bro I can’t even fathom how blind you were to this issue. Chronically online and this shows you don’t socialize enough
Agreed. I guess this is what happens to your brain when you stay in Florida too long.
hes got one L take now y'all hating his entire personality
@@MoldyMan. i love him lmao I still watch him everyday. This was for sure an L take tho 😂
While idubbz and his behavior were reflective of the times, I still feel like his apology was warranted wholeheartedly. One of those axe forgets but the tree remembers type of things. Damage is done either way so to try and reconcile is always welcome
It wasn't okay even then. The n-word was always racist. 😂
@@youforget1000thingsaday never said it was okay lol but you're right
Low impulse control does far more damage than idubbz making a joke.
Maybe the population "damaged" by the jokes needs to stop feeling sorry for themselves and get a job.
@@Sneedmiredude really? Are you a POC? Are you a member of the LGBTQ? Are you Jewish? Do you know how shitty it was to go to school and get targeted by the “edgy” kids who watched his videos and harassed those communities? He apologized because those same kids who watched his content went on to directly imitate his “edgy” persona and it did cause damage. Just because you didn’t experience it, doesn’t mean it wasn’t real.
And using the “need to get a job” thing is so 40 year old white housewife it’s stinky and lame be better.
@@Sneedmireme when racism is just minorities feeling sorry for themselves:
The fact he made all of these apologies and never once apologized for that haircut, that's more insane
Seriouslyy. That haircut is way more offensive than anything he has ever said
Yeah it's like the only thing that reminds me of old iDubbz lmao
@@hhaste let's be honest, a mullet is about as idubbz a haircut as possible.
i think it looks pretty sweet ngl
Kinda gay to judge someone's looks, fashion nerd
his content definitely had a much bigger impact on kids than you think back then. The same way ishowspeed is impacting todays generation of kids.
@@Gamfluent two things can be true at the same time my guy
@@Gamfluent I was 15 when idubbz started doing content cops. Everyone in my school would watch his shit, and slurs became regular vocabulary for most in my year. Although I don't blame Ian for this, like he said in his video, there is some amount of accountability for his audience, as kids and teenagers are very impressionable.
I still think most of his content was great don't get me wrong but normalizing slurs is definitely not a good thing. He obviously wasn't racist or homophobic, neither were most saying it in my school, but none the less shouldn't be said in such a casual way.
@@Gamfluentyeah but by that knowledge then dont blame the internet when your kids become a disaster.
@@Gamfluent sure they did.... then stop comparing your lifestyle to others then.
It really didn’t. Charlie is 100% right. Toxic people there were there because they were toxic. He wasn’t nearly close to what ishowspeed does today.
To be fair his content cop on leafy was fair game tho, leafy’s content was horrible and far worse than his content
I miss the fucker, tho
I don't think he did this out of a place of obligation, he did it because it was making him uncomfortable. This apology video *was* the video he wanted to make, essentially.
he did it because his “wife’s” boyfriend told him to*
Can't it be both? That he feels guilty for the pain he has caused, and therefore obligated to address it?
@@slothschewgum Source?
I agree. The fact he’s more critical of himself than others are of him is not surprising, it’s human. If I did something I saw as bad, I am going to be the one to carry that full burden of guilt, but anyone else will just see it as another thing
@@OriNyte me
This feels more like a personal confession. It doesn't seem to me like the entire point was to apologize to the people, but also just to get this off his chest since it's been bothering him so long, and it's like to set the record straight for people because his old self isn't what he wants to project to the world anymore.
He's made about 6 videos so far where he does this, he is just repeating himself at this point
I just find it very weird how he wants to separate himself from his old content but also clings onto it so tightly. He's removed content cop, but all the bad unboxings which still include the hateful rhetoric he's distancing himself from is still sitting on his page untouched. The one thing I just find so weird is that in the last boxing match, we walked into the ring with a boxing coat (or whatever it's called) designed after his "I'm Gay" elf costume, which clearly is just a callback to his old videos and only panders to his old audience.
Its kind of like kim wexler from
Better call saul
@macicoinc9363 I can understand why though. People don't want to let go of of their vilification of his old persona.
You can’t just decide how people perceive you. He has most definitely changed as a person, he went from a brash opinionated edge lord to a disingenuous, insecure, pussywhipped, spineless, (I could go on forever) Clinton-esque cretin.
His new doc series he tried to reinvent himself with is just as lowbrow as his old content. Getting on his high horse, pretending he’s a legit filmmaker, while sneak dissing and exploiting his interviewee (daxflame, airsoftfatty). He couldn’t pin down Sam and exploit him so he resents him, hates him. Ian has shown his true colors yet he’s so stubbornly senseless he can’t see how much he’s portraying himself as someone who severely lacks in integrity and grit
Rare footage of Charlie's first bad take.
Based take actually
He's never actually had a take. He sits on the fence.
agreed. 90% of his takes i agree with entirely, but every now and then he'll have an astronomically bad take (in my opinion) whether it be on situations like these, moral topics, games, content, etc
@@aspebbgetting mad at someone for apologizing for something that doesn’t even effect you is jumping off of the fence, ffs
not in a disrespectful way but he became me and my friends humour for our time in school and what that does is promotes the racist words being okay no matter what the words not being meant in a racist way but it’s still racist slurs
An unprompted apology from an honest person is more valuable than any other apology video/statement on the internet
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a heartfelt apology on this app before so it’s kinda crazy. I knew it wasn’t coming but I was still waiting for the “*sniff* guys….. its been so hard to make this video…”
unprompted?? hes been getting railed online ever since the boxing event.......this was very much prompted lmao
@Nark Formost lmao people changed and left you behind, you do you but don't cry about others
@@DaFifaKid I didn't know about that
It wasn't unprompted. He did this because of the CC2 drama.
this is a concerning take on someone owning up to their actions and trying to improve themselves. unless you were one of the people his jokes were directed at, you won’t get it. his content very much normalized the use of many slurs and similar things. im glad that he’s changing for the better
Nah bring it back
@@lunar-_-moon ok edgelord
He got ass blasted into infinity after the Sam Hyde video lmao
i don’t understand charlie for this. Like i was on yt when this stuff was popular and other people didn’t feel like it was just ‘edgy’ humor. It wasn’t *acceptable* with a lot of the people at time so for him to act like it was just because it was common just feels really weird and dishonest. people probably didn’t criticize it as much back then because it felt pointless when you’d get dogpiled or worse for pointing it out
@@chucksneedlee it's the fact that he's making a strawman in the apology video rather than addressing the main criticism he's receiving, which is the froggy fresh and sam hyde situation.
At the end of the day he feels like he made a mistake and is man enough to admit that
It was still racist and the edgy excuse is not enough
Going down the idubbbz rabbit hole again. I kinda see him the same way I look at South Park
You need to elaborate on the South Park rope-in.
Idubbbz doesn’t exist anymore it’s just a guy named Ian who gets pegged by his wife sadly
@MrTredBear I think he means the vulgarity used at the time had more complex meaning like when South Park is edgy about a certain topic. The risk they take in their humor has meaning. But I don't agree lol if that's what he means
very incomparable. south park just sucks and has always sucked and isn't funny. at least idubbbz has had some funny jokes
@@J2US-gq1vf That makes sense.
Charlie really underestimates how much of an effect iddubbz had on the online community
Not even just online you couldn’t present any type of fruity w/ out hearing “what are you fuckin gay” from other kids in school 😭 and I watched him too 💀
@@gabriellelister7669sounds like good times
@@gabriellelister7669 yeah it's funny to say that and still is
I think you overestimate. People have been vehemently offensive in the most vile ways for over a decade before idubbz showed up. They never slowed down or ramped up just because another edgy youtuber showed up. They simply took that as a place where their edgy humor was welcome. He didn't create any new edglords. He just gave them another place to be edgy.
@@WrangleMcDangle it’s cool when it’s in a group who’s cool w/ it. Going up to a stranger cause you think they’re gay and saying that is not funny. That’s being a dick. There’s a diff.
With all due respect Charlie, I don't think Ian was worried he hurt folks like you and me with his "former catchphrase".
How can anybody seriously listen to this group of twitch streamers and think "These people are intelligent, I plan to listen to them!"
or hes worried youtube no longer will be profitable if his image is that of his "former"
@@buddybrax Yeah none of them seem too sharp
The world would be better off if people tossed away the shackles of allowing words to hurt them, and that’s a fact.
@@joeyjojoshabbadoo8153just like the shackles that held the slaves arms back in the day huh?
Y'all so weak and frail in these comments 😂
Finally someone sane lmao😂😂
you escaped the matrix 😂
huge fucking L dude
To be fair, this is the most sincere and genuine apology video on the entire goddamn platform.
People think the fact he doesn't actually remove the videos makes it insincere
I disagree with that idea but I understand where it's coming from
Yeah? Why then since he wants to disown his actions, he doesnt go out and donate all the money hes made from the old videos? Talk is cheap
Yall are just easily satisfiable people, sort of person that belives short videos
@@end.olives basically yeah...and to keep the same name associated with hate and bigotry therefore triggered all those affected....talk is cheap indeed.
i promise if you ever met an average preteen idubbbz fan in 2016, you wouldn't say his content/impact wasn't damaging LOL
Those kids would've acted like that regardless of whether or not they consumed Idubbz's content, m8. You're making the "video games cause violence" argument here.
@@cksupreme Normalization of using slurs and spouting casual bigotry leads to negative impacts of the community directly affected historically by said slurs and bigotry.
Idubbbz didn’t make them. They’re the kids that were calling you a f** in cod game chat in 2010 why are y’all acting like someone in 2016 created that it’s just internet culture by 2016 it was dying
@@Asmodeuslvr what a load of horseshit
@@cksupreme not remotely the same dude. or are you trying to argue that young children and teenagers will not emulate what they see their role models doing? like is that seriously what you're trying to imply? because one of the most basic things to understand about kids is that they are extremely impressionable.
Why did people hate this video? Charlie was right
Mentally ill twitter users have brigaded it, the average person doesn't think like this
@ergwertgesrthehwehwejwe his entire comment section under this and the L Take video are full of Twitter people saying "idubbbz changed", "you didn't grow up" strawman arguments, Hasan fans etc. It's actually insane that these people exist. Hell, they probably blame video games for making people violent if that's the case.
Leftoids and black people hate this video because they worship idubbbz new "grown up humour" and liberal anti racist ARC.
the people in the comments are defending the new idubbbz who literally pissed and shit himself over sam hyde possibly coming to his event
i was going to agree bro but your profile picture
I’ve never seen anyone try to debunk an apology
Very reductive take, clown
@@Ozhull it’s not a take it’s what he did
"debunk" he just called it fake and garbage, which it actually is
@@Nanamin69 apologizing for saying the n word isn’t garbage
Flombiggies!
Just putting in my 2 cents about Charlie's "I don't think it harmed anyone" comment. As someone who had to deal with white friends I was in school with getting too comfortable with throwing N-bombs after I naively gave the pass to them, then throwing the idubbbz "either all of it's okay or none of it's okay" quote when I told them that I'm no longer comfortable with incessant their use of the N-word, I wish he hadn't made those videos, even as a fan of his back in that day. The flagrant crossing of my boundaries by classmates was certainly not helped by the culture generated by his content.
Your experience is not irrelevant…. Idubbbz did not have anything to do with a couple dipshit white kids you happened to be around using that word….. period…… maybe reconsider the next time YOU tell people it’s okay to say that around you…..
It’s called the bell curve of humanity,,,, most people of ANY NATIONALITY suck….
Ugh I can’t stand that quote anymore ive heard it so many times
That was your dumb self for allowing them to disrespect you not Idubbz fault
The point is should he really be responsible for the actions of others it’s obvious his videos where constructed in the confides of satire and irony as is most comedy it’s not like he specifically told people to say it or promote it
It really is all okay or none of it is. Your race is the same as all others
it feels like he didnt even watch the video at all....
I honestly feel like back then, idubbbz just got more and more edgy cause his community would push him and he either never stopped out of fear of losing his audience or just being desensitized
I mean still his fault you could stop at any moment using racism for clout is kind of a poopy move
@@ANationalguy I never said it was good, I’m just saying that there could be another reason than being edgy for the sake of being edgy
@@a7x_nomadiceagle482 Don’t really care if there’s another reason, Doesn’t really change what he did
Or maybe it was funny.
grow up@@ANationalguy
Regardless of the side of an issue you're on, expressing regret for your past is totally normal. Power to him for seeing something he doesn't like about himself, and deciding to change.
@The Wandering k huh?
@The Wandering k what are you on?
@The Wandering k ...what
@Puzzle Pottage This and the fact he was 27 when he was in his heydays
@@CultishLamb took me exactly 5 seconds to google it, he's not wrong
never in my life did i think iDubbbz would get in drama in 2023
I feel raw and rashed up below
Athen Booth
Comment speed run
Quite the throwback
How does this comment have 140likes in 2 mins 💀
Tbh as a black person and someone who was a young teen watching his videos it didn’t really bother me that much what he was saying. It didn’t change me as a person or anything it was just videos on the internet. I feel like most people are so hypocritical when it comes to this stuff. Most of you find it fine when shows like family guy and South Park make some really racist and messed up jokes. But when it’s someone you can actually see and blame them you’re all against it.
Well the difference is when racism is portrayed in something like sout Park it's typically ridiculed, or the concept of it is mocked. Such as the episode where randy says the n word.
Idubbbz on the other hand didn't portray these things in a subversive manner, the joke was often just the racism.
Obviously your opinion is just as valid as mine, just my thoughts on the situation
@@Nexter-Lie that’s fair everyone has their own views, I personally don’t feel idubbz was or is racist it was just the jokes he was making but of the same people think hes racist when he really wasn’t. Only part that bothers me tho is penguinZ making a video on his apology trying to dismiss everything he said I don’t feel it was needed
Idubbz is the only person I actually believe has changed.
It’s unfortunate. If anyone was actually offended by him they should either stop watching or grow tf up.
Try being a minority in a country outside North America. I promise we ain’t that bad compared to everyone else 😂
this is like your friend apologizing to you about something and then someone who had nothing to do with the situation completely ignoring your feelings and being like “no no don’t apologize to them you should keep doing what ur doing!!!”
yeah when he said it was “just edgy” about racism normalization. Hate on all groups that come with a slur I had to check the video again… am I really watching charlie react to idubz apology?
Shows how toxic Charlie is
yeah, except your friend isn't even apologising to you, they're apologising to the people that actually were affected and you butt in to say nah its all good
@@77768 and what about the content of idubbbz was normalization of racism? his point was people give words too much power. ironcally those bitching about using the n-word without context were the first using in a racist hateful way like Tana . you can think it's wrong to use the word but don't pretend it's the same as using to a black person to insult them based on their race or use it on all people.
@@doomedallweare5014 read what you said again… you’re contradicting yourself. If you’re a racist just own up to that don’t try to compare something bad to something ungodly & be like “see in contrast it’s not that bad”. That’s disgusting that you have to take it that far to justify it. The n word is above all a derogatory term with a dark history behind it. It’s bad as it is. it’s not “just a word”
My perspective is this: I don’t think idubbbz should apologize for criticizing other creators, but I think it’s good that he’s apologizing for HOW he did it.
Yuppp. He even says in the video: "I still don't like you guys" to all the content cop subjects
The way he did it wasn't wrong. He had nothing to apologize for.
Agreed. I don’t think Idubbz was apologizing for criticizing people though.
This!
The way he did it wasn't even bad. Ian is saying that he made himself seem better than everyone else but like Charlie pointed out he never actually gave that impression.
Critikals’s normie reddit fanbase turned on him lmao
I feel like this isn’t a real thing and this is some sort of bad dream because I have never seen someone not accept an apology because they didn’t think the apology was needed
you've never once in your life said "sorry", then someone told you that you don't need to apologize? I thought that was something everyone goes thru at least once ya know
There are not needed apologies, and he didn't reject the apology, just said he didn't think it was necessary
@deftd0ll99 that's when the apology's meant for YOU smartypants, why'd a rando jump in out of nowhere n be like "no u don't need to apologise to him" when they're not even being spoken to...
Things don't need to be huge, massive, unforgiviable problems for people to apologise for them.
except for when they're bad things like you know telling people that saying slurs is okay
Sure but let’s not act like racism *isn’t* a huge problem. Like yeah, no one’s getting killed from him saying the n-word and telling his audience that it’s okay for them to as well, but it does create an unsafe and unwelcome environment for black people on the platform, and in turn, in real life as well, and that issue shouldn’t be trivialized.
@@cookiesncream9158 agree with this 100%, but i think the og comment was just countering how charlie started the video. like when he said “ian wasn’t killing puppies” like obviously but that doesn’t mean he can’t apologize for it. ykwim? i don’t think og comment was saying racism isn’t a big problem (because it definitely is) they were just countering charlie’s argument
@@senopai.8377 yeah yeah fs fs, I wasn’t tryna imply that og doesn’t see racism as a huge issue, I agree with everything they said, I just thought it was worth mentioning because that it could definitely be read that way.
@@cookiesncream9158 oh oki !! ❤️
It wasn't 2016 edginess my dude, it was 2016 bigotry
Imagine being so weak minded and pathetic that you think COMEDY TH-cam VIDEOS create harm. Only someone MISERABLY susceptible to bad emotions would think of comedy this way. You need to grow up or everything will make you crawl in a ball and cry like a loser.
@Lisbeth I wholeheartedly agree
@Lisbeth it was a better time
Specify?
Brother, you were probably like 8 years old back then
Everyone hating on Charlie for just saying facks
As a person of color and fan of this channel this video was so weird to me. What gives a white man the right to accept an apology or say an apology wasn't needed on the behalf of people of color, women, and other affected communities? Of course penguinz0 didn't feel affected none of the jokes were ag the expense of him. I luckily didn't get exposed to Idubbz content back in 2016 and only found out about how many slurs and harmful he jokes he used from Dangelo Wallace but I feel ad for all the people who were affected and didn't have the platform to say anything. After this video I won't be surprised if Penguinz0 grgs exposed for racism, sexism, or making harmful content in the past.
I really can't tell whether or not these comments are serious or not.
Are you? Nobody sane write such stuff.
At the end of the day Charlie is still a Florida man
not an excuse
@ieatalot ok? but that's giving white men leeway to act like they can't control them being dumb and ignorant
@ieatalot idk, Ian seems pretty ok (now). It shouldn't have taken a grown man to be on the receiving end to get it, but at least he gets it now. That seems to be miles ahead of Charlie
@@arshiiia
Who said it was-? You've missed the joke here, Florida is known for being bigoted atm. That's the point.
@@BloodInTheStrawberries ok my bad
You can be hurtful and cause damage even if that wasn't your intention.
Yes, but it doesn’t matter if it wasn’t your intention.
@@crosshavoc1387 it does matter thou. If I don’t mean to hit someone with my car, I still killed someone if they died. Words matter and dubz alone helped cause a new generation of asshats just like leafy
@@crosshavoc1387 To say it doesn't matter at all is crazy but it's a huge difference that is for sure
@@crosshavoc1387 ok, so you can drive your car on the sidewalk with the intent of getting to work a little faster, the people you mowed down on the way won't matter because turning them into a series of stains on the concrete wasn't something you intended on doing
my point is that your actions, whether they be casual bigotry or vehicular manslaughter, have consequences regardless of intent
@@hwowwhwooyour analogy is invalid. Drivin on a sidewalk is illegal and you will hit someone regardless. Making content about people being useless, Idiots or generally being annoying is not something that bad if at all.
Lot's of victims here, with a parasocial relationship with Ian. Not living in reality must be fun. Let's all be offended about everything, forever. I AM THE VICTIM, THE APOLOGY WAS FOR ME. AND I WILL NOT ACCEPT IT. WAAAAH! WA WAAWA WAA WAAAA!
as a black person idubbz enabled so many of my white friends as a kid to use racist language and slurs around me and say hurtful things about black & Asian people so this video is honestly very tone deaf and I’m not sure what the point of this was
Get thicker skin my ninja
@@billyhunter144 😂
@@billyhunter144 what’s wrong why didn’t you say it ?
@@mochadoo21 because youtube will delete it
@@billyhunter144 womp womp
Honestly I think if he wants to apologize for something he regrets, there’s nothing wrong with that.
I agree for sure taking acountability and appologizing is important. I just feel he's looking at everything with rose tinted glasses. The part about slurs, and hate speech 1000% agree on how he's appologizing for it. However take that away and much of the content disecting keemstar and other really bad actors, nothin wrong with that. At the end of the day it is his call and I think people throwing a hissy fit over it are stupid, but I think he is over correcting hard
Hate speech is just speech
@@Gcannoli1837that’s what I’m saying, and you just see his new fans saying that the content cops were unnecessary when it objectively made the site better. People just can’t appreciate what he did at the time anymore. Hate the double slit catchphrase tho made him sound like an idiot
@@emelgizzybruh2058 “objectively made the site better” i don’t think you know what objectively means brother
It feels like he's going through a 12 step program and this is one of the steps, apologizing for past mistakes
If someone wants to apologize for something they did at one point and now they deem that thing as a bad thing.. let them apologize.
The apology could just be them making amends and clearing their own mind.
Nah, he just realized he can't make money on it anymore. In the proper context, his content was fine.
@@user-fz3sz2dj4r not even in 2014 context was it totally fine. he’s always been seen as edgy, even he knows that
except the apology isnt about all that, question is, why you care so much about a dudes reaction to someones apologies when you dont know shit about the context of that situation?
he did he never said he couldnt he just said it feels idiotic he cannot stop him for apologizing his opinion is on the apology itself 🤦🏼♀️
@@user-fz3sz2dj4r plus that shit was funny asf
This is such a weird hill to die on... The dude was upset about his content, which often used some of the worst slurs, and/or defended the flippant use of all slurs; why is that something to be upset over??
It is like Charlie thinks that iDubbbz's intent not being inherently negative, completely negates any guilt he should feel/have.
He wasn't upset, he's being a grifter and doing it for the youtube money lmao
He was good when he was being an edgelord moron, now he's H3H3 tier.
look at all the liberals in the comments
That’s exactly what I’m thinkin’.
He didn't make an apology to satisfy some angry mob, no one was trying to cancel him.
He did it because he knew it would get rid of the type of audience he doesn't want around anymore and I fucking get it.
Not even a week ago he was in drama for fucking over another youtuber and it brought up his past.😊😅
@@poopyscoopy6984 to be fair, they had it coming. this kind of shit was probably hanging over Ian's head for a long time and that dragged all of it back to the surface and he felt like he HAD to get it off his chest.
He did it because his wife and the other drama he's involved with, where he is acting objectively terrible and two faced.
Yeah, and I think that his apology is a perfect example of how the right's idea of "cancel culture" is BS. Ian wants to change and be better, and most people are giving him the space to. The only people at his neck are the ones who he left behind as he grew and are terrified by the thought that he could be right about being wrong.
He did it because his channel is practically dead and he needed some more publicity for his fighting events going forward.
Charlie is acting like this apology video was made directly for him lol
Well, to be fair. He did put Situation in the title. But lol
I think this is striking a little close to home for Charlie. This is a commentary channel, not that different from what content cop was but less produced
@@Homer92 yeah it does feel like that might be why Charlie is having this defensive sort of response
Yeah I think this must be hitting a little close to home for Charlie... It sounds like - I could be wrong. - he's almost defending himself in some way
@@Homer92 you really need to stop projecting your thoughts on people you don't know besides what they post on the internet.
Holy sht the comment section is a huge lefty eco chamber tf
Yeah, man, Charlie is sticking up for Ian. But what the left wants is public humiliation (stuggle session). That's why they don't want Chalie sticking up for Ian.
It's kinda scary, like cult shit tbh.
If you're not the one being affected by an ordeal, your opinion on it is irrelevant. It's like a European giving their "opinion" on 9/11, saying that it wasn't that bad and that Americans are overreacting because it happened in the past. Doesn't f*cking matter what you think, Mr. Teabag. It was bad for Americans.
And if you think rejecting the use of slurs is "lefty" behavior, you're just a shitty person. I'm right-leaning and know that being racist for giggles from other White people isn't funny.
@@lianadotjpeg If your suggesting idubbz was saying the n word in order to pander to racists, you are completely misunderstanding what he was about. He was using the word to prove a point that either all slurs are ok, or none of them are. Of course he didn't need to use the n word to prove that point, but to say he was just using the word because "racism funny" is dishonest. There is absolutely no problem with idubbz deciding to not use the n word in his newer videos, but labeling him and anyone who liked his old videos as racist is a very shallow thing to do, it shows the lack of understanding of where he was coming from.
TL;DR I don't think he should have used the slurs, but calling him and his old followers racist is reductive and petty.
I’ll miss the food reviews in the sewer the most.
He confirmed he’ll still be doing them in the pinned comment of his apology I’m pretty sure
YOU BITE THE PEACH THE PEACH BITES BACK
@@Keurgui1 THE PICKLES
@@Keurgui1 lmaoo
Haha classic.
As a black man myself used to really liked Idubbz and I used to think a lot of his racist shock humor was funny. However, that person who use to find that funny also enabled others to make racist remakes about them because they wanted to fit in. Being in my 20’s I can now see how damaging casual racist jokes were to my self image and how I saw other black people were. Racist humor whether with good attentions or not still place a seed of bigotry that can grow into many things. Hate, depression, self doubt, confusion. Bigotry can do a lot when promoted which is why I personally am glad Idubbz understands the impact he could have had and why those jokes were so harmful
This comment is a real one ☝️
Same, as a pan poc girl, I used to think I was cool for liking his content. It also ruined my self image and I basically hated myself with everything I agreed with. I’m 20 now and I hate who I used to me, it caused me irreparable damage that I tried so hard to fit in with some guys and even some girls. I’m glad there’s a bunch of us who know the impacts he had.
Comment i left on idubbbz video: "To be honest Ian, your content did influence a lot of kids to be rather horrible. Anecdotal but nonetheless I experienced A LOT of bullying and harassment from people i considered friends and outside of them directly referencing your content. Discussions about your content, discussions about the use of certain words, were all justified because Idubbbz said so. I was one of the only black student at my high school and the only one in my year group. It was isolating enough to be a different skin colour, but further isolating when people around me started blurting n- f-, or saying those things to my face. No amount of appealing to these kids could save me from the torment. People say blame the parents, blame the so and so, but i want people to understand that Ians content played a role, it contributed and exacerbated the intensity of my treatment. All for what man"
Wow, this is a perfect example of self reflection done right. It’s good that you accept yourself bro
@@solomon2532 bro you can't blame idubbbz content for you being bullied really can't
This video is fucking weird… has Charlie seen his old videos? The content most certainly was harmful and cruel. He literally told someone to kill themselves. And he also literally ENCOURAGED people to use slurs. I agree with the sentiment that Ian never meant any harm by it and was just being incendiary, but he absolutely is responsible for fostering negative content on the platform. And the fact that he apologized without anyone telling him makes it that much more impactful. I really don’t know the purpose behind this video
this comment section is hilarious. The amount of softies in this comment section is crazy
You're so cool and manly
Most of the are not even subscribers just came here to share their precious criticism and thoughts with us lmao
@@zh.4394They came from twitter and reddit lol they don’t care they just want to bitch about it
@@-Scrapper-fr, a real sigma
@@CalinJohnson-jh7ohur weird asf for not wanting someone to apologize for being racist. Get mental help.
Shout out to all the people in the comments who actually understood where iDubbz was coming from, and could think critically about his apology.
i still don’t get how both videos charlie made on this subject were so fucking braindead. like what the fuck.
😹
Nah, we all got the message. He's just wrong. And it's really weird to be speaking over a person on their own actions. Especially when you were obviously never affected by any of the wrongdoing. That's super weird. He did not need to speak on this.
lol none of yall are thinking critically. You have an ideological stance and nothing will move you from it.
you are talking about the small minority, that know that idubbbz is coming from a place of simping and lack of integrity and dignity? the irony is too massive once you see the big picture, but people are simple and they just need to listen to pretty words instead of reasoning to come to conclusions, hense the reason they keep electing the same type of shitty presidents... you d think the new generation is better than that, but over here its still full of people who are easy to get manipulated with pretty words and dont really have the capability to form their own opinions, at least talking for the ones that arent just hasty to comment over coming across a couple of selective or wrong info
No one was trying to go after him. He just apologized and changed cause he regretted it. This is genuine.
he grew a small and petty person, he regressed
Lol
@@jujuteuxOfficial facts
Yeah, I am sure that his business and his girlfriend have nothing to do with it.
I think he is genuinely confused
I'm a woman who likes idubbbz's content, and I have liked it since that time. I had never noticed that his fanbase was so bizarrely misogynistic until the Anisa thing started, it was shocking to me that he had to talk about it to his fans and tell them that sex work is fine (That's the situation I'm referencing here). Because before that I was just like you, thinking there was no harm being done, he was just being edgy and everybody understands that, right? Turns out he was breeding a very specific type of harmful human being who were his fans and even though I was his fan too, those people didn't even see me as a person. And all those fans assumed Ian was a racist, a mispogynist and a homophobe for real, not just "ironically", that's super dangerous. So yes the apology was very much justified and I am so glad he made it because I was always a fan and it's good to know that he is not a horrible person and has grew as a person.
I’m a female-born trans, bi, and autistic person who used to watch his content. My gf of the time would send me videos of his. The Tana video is where I drew the line. His defense of slurs made zero sense to me. Casual use of slurs was something I noticed people would act like wouldn’t hurt me but it was always a slippery slope to people then voting literally against my basic human rights. Or degrading me, assaulting me, kicking me out of my household. It was never just a word.
@@asmrtpop2676 yeah, I think I don't really have the same relationship with slurs as people who are American or have english as a first language (idk if that is your case but I'm assuming so). So when I watched that video it did seem like just edge to me, I didn't know how slurs are actually a big big deal in English. In my language (portuguese) we have very bad words but they don't have that weight, we don't really have completely forbidden words and usually those offensive words end up getting reivindicated by the group whose offense was directed to and they lose their strenght. Of course based on context you can absolutely use them in a very offensive way but there is no such thing as a "slur" the way you guys have. So now I get that that was in very bad taste but at the time I just interpreted the way I do in my language.
I do completely believe he sees and understands the damage he did then, honestly, I appreciate it a lot. I'm also queer btw ^^
just to make it clear I think you were right in drawing the line
@@asmrtpop2676 Slurs are just words. They've been used in comedy all the time. I think if someone already has intent to hate others they will no matter what.
Not everyone liked Anisa prior to the OF controversy in 2020.
The internet is too soft these days man, Charlie is right, cry about it nerds
the Internet is too accepting of racism and bigotry, go cry about it freak.
@@me61840 Yeah, like 7 years ago. Nowadays, it's too sensitive. If you make one dark joke, people would abolish you to the 9th circle of hell. And now that I think about it, 7 years ago, the US wasn't as focused on race. And it wasn't as close to being racist as it is today.
Alternate title: I Can Excuse Racism, but I Draw the Line at Animal Cruelty.
lmao i remember when he did his celebrity tier list and one guy (football player i think) had a dog fighting ring and critikal and matt were talking/joking about how much they hate animal abuse compared to “more serious” crimes
When was idubbz racist though lol
@@greensabr200 a good vhunk of his youtube career 🙄
@@allybrookeaf79 so everyone who ever used the word cracker is also racist
@@greensabr200 you win the award for dumbest question asked in a TH-cam comment section
iDubbbz's apology is the first youtube apology that comes from actual regret, which i respect
So he should stop profiting from those videos
🧐Ain't no way he said content cop was based on 'lackluster criticisms'!
That's what relationships do to people. Beware!
@@catbeans4685 He literally unlisted them.
his apology just comes from the gaslighting from his wife. she’s the puppet master now
this isnt regret, its guilt. Someone in his life, whom he cares for deeply it seems, is making him feel massively guilty over this.
this take i dont completely side with because idubbbz ripped the quran thats way worse that stating an opinion which what his videos are mesnt to be.
This generation is so damn soft
Yes wtf. I can't believe the soyness in here
It's soft to not have racism normalized? You boomers are such clowns
God forbid people not having the same humor as me.
Holy shit I know. I’ve been scrolling through and it’s just hordes of perma-online people.
I’m personally really proud of Charlie subscribers for not just mindlessly agreeing with this video (it’s ok if you do) I think he’s misunderstanding this whole apology and I’m happy to see I’m not the only person that thinks that.
agreed, i felt really weird at the beginning being like..???
I don't think it's okay to agree with a bad take, but I am happy to see it too.
I genuinely thought it was just me 😭
Ye instead they’re mindlessly agreeing with the most liked comments
@@glossiangelz i wasn’t goin say anything cus i thought his fans were goin cook me😭
IDubbbz making an apology while looking like an 80s movie cop was pretty funny lmao.
Dude is looking kinda rough, like a cross between a deep-Appalachian redneck and your average overnight gas station clerk
Kurtis Connor twin
@@bluz1864 Yuh
80's GAY PORN movie cop.
Hey, the moviecop community is now seriously hurt. Please dont make fun of them. I demand an apology.
The Comment Section is basically Twitter. Content Cop was great and all of the people he dunked on deserved the ridicule.
I don’t agree = twitter 🤓
@@tracark2255got him
Best Charlie take I’ve seen by far
W comment
Agreed.
Being black in middle school during those “edgy” years was absolute hell. I was constantly harassed by kids parroting the same shit he said, calling me “n-word, f-word” and following me around constantly. I’m not saying Idubbz is responsible for anyone else’s actions, but he did encourage this kind of hate and bullying in his videos, and it did hurt real life people. I believe the apology is warranted. Just because you didn’t see the affects, doesn’t mean they didn’t happen.
he was mocking people who use the N word, but you Gen Z never have the ability to understand mockery
@@watch-Dominion-2018 mockery might've been his intention but the outcome was what was posted in the comment above, that's what Idubbz was apologizing for. Braindead take I'm ngl
@@watch-Dominion-2018 are you trying to say that his previous content were satirizing slurs rather than just making a joke out of them ??? thats ... interesting
@@keynage6693 you're clearly a Gen Z npc
@@peachnotperf Gen Z npc
Ok, but counterpoint: as a former iDubbz viewer, I felt 0% vilified by his apology. I didn't feel like he was calling me out, nor accusing me of anything. I feel like I, much like he, grew up and learned what was okay and what was too far. I can't speak on his apology because he isn't apologizing to me. But when he says that he fostered a toxic community (whether intentionally or not) and that he put a megaphone before some toxic-ass takes and amplified them, I don't feel like he's being insecure or like he's a slave to his audience or like it has anything to do with me.
The only people he vilified are people who are real world villains. They are at the end of the day keyboard bullies. Anyone who feels offended by it is telling on themselves
Lmao "grew up". This dude is in his 30s, and the content we're talking about was 6-7 years ago.
@@cocaineinmyvein I don't wanna defend Ian, but I'd tell you the same thing that anyone else will tell you. Neither I, you nor anyone else for that matter is the same after 5 years, we change our worldviews, opinions and beliefs rather fast, because we always learn from our mistakes and successes my guy.
@@Humongous_Hongonggolongus None of those matters, because guess what? there are plenty of people who didn't or have never used slurs. So, for you to act like this is a mistake, or act that he's some recovering alcoholic as if being a bigot isn't the easiest thing to avoid, is laughable and almost embarrassing.
@@chickennoodlesoup3301 he was clearly ironically using those slurs my dude.
Tell me oh infallible one, have you not done something that you regret or cringe at, if you think about your past self?
I disagree with the weaklings that think this is a bad take. I think it is nuanced, and compassionate. If you are offended, you are the type to race bait, and stoke the flames of racial hatred. Idubbbz seems like he's being brainwashed, and it's sad. It was a moment in time where he might have made the wrong choices, but it was funny to a certain extent. It may be offensive, but that is how humor works. If you can't see that, you should just take a seat and keep your whining to yourself.
I think idubbz genuinely struggles with his actions in the past especially when its so well documented. Its like of every regretful thing you dod as a child is recorded, you are famous for it and made a living of it. I feel like the guilt for me would eat me up inside. This apology video was a way for idubbz to give himself closure from the past.
Which was the point o his video, and apology. Charlie didn’t seem to like that
It's not that complex though. If he genuinely feels this bad, quit the space. If you climbed to the top of a shoe-production company by quite literally sabotaging other shoe industries, the only way you could possibly "absolve" yourself of this is to remove yourself from the space. You can't sit on your throne at the top and act like anyone who dares act as you acted to get where you were is now somehow morally reprehensible and use your growth as an excuse to prevent others from doing what you did. It's an absurd ideology.
@@Biggleboggles I swear charlie is way off target with this one. idubbbz clearly mentions that he realises it was foolish of him to think he had zero responsibility for the indirect consequences of his edgelord content, leaving it upto the teen audiences to be responsible about not using his content to validate their bigoted views. like it's genuinely admirable that he takes responsibility and apologises publicly like this and then charlie is all "technically you didn't have to" 😂
He's also probably scared that since he's only 30 this stuff will remain online forever so I'd he ever becomes mainstream popular again, those clips of him saying the N word will always haunt him, so I feel like he is pre-emptively addressing those , especially with creator clash becoming more and more popular, at some point he was going to have to face the music
@@innsaanitty lol
I know this is corny AF but it takes a lot more guts to be that sincere and humble than to be a trashy edgelord
It's not corny, it's true
Showing vulnerability is way cooler than hiding behind a shell of edginess and hate
@@DylanDrinksWater Pussying out of making harmless jokes isn't cool.
Frfr he has my respect for that
@@peacemaster8117 except they’re not harmless. Saying slurs is hurtful to a lot of people
@@peacemaster8117“harmless” TO YOU
That doesn’t mean funny or “harmless” to everyone.
Content Cop was my favorite part of his channel. Once a year I still watch Leafy trilogy and still find it funny.
these comments are soft and ridiculous 🤣💀 yall cant cancel charlie tho 🤷🏻♂️
He isn't doing it for you Charlie he's doing it for himself.
common boter sause W
Yeah he is ruining his life sure
@@KiwiHavok777 charlie's take was dumb but not life ruining bro relax
@@inmyhead00 Lmfao 💀
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Hot take, but okay. As an actual black person who can or can not accept it, I appreciate idubbz apology. It was very much warranted despite your thoughts.
This isn't a hot take this is just facts. The apology wasn't meant for idiots like this. It was meant for the people who were ACTUALLY harmed so it was completely warranted and anyone arguing against that just feels personally called out for liking racist humor when they were younger. It's like they're surprised when not everyone grew up thinking saying the n word for shock wasn't funny.
The more you power you give to a word, the more it will hurt you. If more people acted like old Idubbbz did, nobody would even care.
@@lucas13flu white supremacy culture participant spotted
@@lucas13flu you can’t just erase the power or meaning behind a word in the drop of a hat. normalizing the usage of these historically harmful words instead of realizing that history and harm behind them doesn’t do any good. these words have always been used in a bad way. there’s also tons of racist, homophobic, transphobic, ableist people around the world that want to use the power behind these words as a way to hurt others. they won’t change their opinions as easily as your saying.
@@pizzarollsrdone fine then, keep giving them power. See how much good that does. Whenever someone calls me a slur you know what I do? I move on with my day, and I don't let others get a rise out of me for no good reason.
Y’all are so soft lol
People are really baffled by this take from Charlie. How? Americans really are being hung up on a fucking word.
Do you guys even comprehend how a sentence work? What context and intent mean?
There's a difference between saying slurs to be edgy and saying it to hurt someone else. There's no "casual racism" if there's no intent of racism.
If we can take anything from what people say out of context to accuse them of bigotry that's fucking bullshit. That's fallacious reasoning.
P-S: This is not an argument to condone actual racism.
I am NOT readin allat chat 😭
A slur is a slur
I mean, mate, I'm gonna be real with you.
Imagine if a queer person or a person of colour was afraid to talk to you, but they wanted to.
Now imagine people are constantly walking up to you and screaming slurs because you made those jokes years ago.
That's what Ian went through. But of course, charlie "never lies ever" cut those out on purpose so it seemed like Charlie was the super smart perfect guy you all call him
But also, go complain about the law.
If you even jokingly say you're going to bomb a place, you WILL get in trouble. Doesn't matter what your intentions were, actions have consequences. What you and Charlie want, is for actions to only have consequences when you want.
@@camharknessyou saying cringe
Of course you don’t see the scope of the damage Idubbz had because you’re not on the receiving end.
uhh uhh muh mean words
i dont really get what's going on in the comment section here.
this was barely an appology it was a way to fight back the people who say they miss the old iddubz, many people from the 2015 crew like maxmofoe and chad and many others like ksi or even pewdiepie slowly changed their content in different ways without having to shit on their old fans (who also were young and edgy and also might've grown out of it).
You dont need to dedicated 2-3 videoes and go podcast after podcast to appologies for being edgy 8 to 9 years ago when everyone else was.
you dont see all of the 2016 edgelords saying they'll never forgive themselves for being edgy 8 years ago.
be realistic.
@@infoscrolls Preteen youtube commenter doesn't think bigotry is real. More news at 11.
Yeah, that's how perspectives work? It's why empathy exists to help us understand each other in ways some might not have personally experienced but we can still understand each other and try to make some positive change for those who are affected negatively
@@vindikaktus cope
isn’t it possible he is just genuinely reflecting on his past and how he’s dealt with it? Like Charlie says “this wasn’t so damaging that his career would be over” but maybe he just genuinely feels bad in his own opinion and wants to reflect. You don’t always need an exterior motive to apologize. Idk maybe i’m crazy
Nah man I 100% agree with you. I like Charlie but this video was kinda weird
yeah, charlie is a human though and everyone is entitled to their opinion
In the internet? People always assume more untrue than anything that there's an ulterior motive when apologizing.
Has his girlfriend taken over? Like is he going to become Steve shives ? Jk, I shudder just typing that guys name.
For real! Most people have actually forgotten about IDubbz, so that just further proves that he wasn’t just doing damage control, he genuinely feels bad and wants to make amends.
So many soft people in the comment section acting like they were personally physically harmed because of idubbbz past history.
Get a grip and touch some grass. Lmfao
Personally I wasn't harmed, but if you aren't part of the group that had to deal with the toxicity and blatant racism of the internet at that time, you don't get to act like no harm was ever done.
Idubbz is right that he contributed to a culture of cruelty and bullying and if you weren't on the receiving end of it, maybe you aren't part of the marginalized groups that suffered it and should keep your yap shut
@@ratlab5680 lmao get a life
@Rapistgaming-uq8fb Does it matter? Charlie is one of the biggest creators on the platform, everything he talks about garners huge amounts of attention. He should have enough awareness to understand that a sensitive topic like racism, bullying and online bigotry is not the kind of space he should be intruding. If he doesn't understand the effect he has a discourse then it's better he learns now rather than with something even more serious
@@ratlab5680 Bro, he was never actually racist towards anyone or bullying anyone.
The only times he used offensive language/slurs, was when he was doing satire. He wasn't bullying people, just calling people out on their bs. Such as that Jynx guy or w.e. He was literally just stealing people content and not contributing anything to it and was being called out. Now people are trying to say it was racist to call him out just because he's black.
I am a PoC btw, and yes, this younger generation is soft af. They treat everything as if it personally hurt them and everything is racism and the patriarchy. Its ridiculous. Grow some backbone.
@Rapistgaming-uq8fb Thank God I grew up in the 90's and 2000's.
People weren't terminally online, socially awkward and offended by everything.
Imho, social media and smart phones have made an entire generation of braindead people that can't handle anything that doesn't coddle them.
W take
If you're able to cringe at your past self, that means you've grown. That's a good thing.
Only a Sith deals in absolutes
@@nickbrowning3270 bro thinks hes a sith lord💀
No, it means you've changed. That doesn't necessarily mean "grown".
When I cringe at my past self I wonder if I’ll always be cringey, just growing to recognize the past and not noticing the present, which is terrifying
@@brunemmm it's a joke goofball
I agree with the idea that he doesn't *have* to apologise for the content he created 7 years ago, but I believe if he *wants* to apologise for it then he should be allowed to. If he genuinely feels bad for the impact he had on people then he has every right to apologise. In my eyes he didn't make this decision to satisfy his audience, he did it for himself
Yeah but it is gay and cringe. If he was really sorry he'd just move past it, but no he must prostrate himself on the alter of societal mainstream wokeness. Now he has his good boy points and morons lap it up.
@Bozo Central no the point that charlie made was that the apology was unneeded and that idubbz is over exaggerating the effect he had on people back in the day (which is not true)
Definitely agree that Ian genuinely did this for himself, (which is a good thing)
Charlie legit said that Ian spammed slurs, and that isn't hurtful.
Huh?
I agree that Dubbz took down some good people with ContentCop, but having been the target of a lot of targeted harassment I can get why he feels like he does. Watching what his audience has done to his wife? Holy shit.
I mean I don’t have trouble comprehending the idea that he might have also done this to make it clear to the racists who already subscribe to him, and the future ones who may watch is older videos to denounce their ideology for the sake of the actual people who have to suffer because of them? I get what you’re saying but at the end of the day, his guilt for his past will never compare to the abuse marginalized have had to and will have to face, and that he’s spent his career promoting, and it’s tone deaf if you can’t see how anyone but he can benefit from his platformed apology for and denouncing of bigoted ideology.
People being mad at Charlie for this is the most pathetic thing I’ve seen in a while, y’all need to log off Twitter
Charlie is the one being pathetic. 🤡
You blindly follow him.