Keen on doing the right thing by our community! Please send me your pics & proof of purchase to admin at secondlifestorage dot com - DID you get 30q's? Link to forum post - you don't need to be a member to view all content on the forum! secondlifestorage.com/t-Vanon-Batteries-Yeh-did-they-dupe-me . Video contains a few contradictions on my behalf about 'burning' vanon - I'd like to reiterate that this video is about me promoting one product with premium cells and others have received nonname branded cells. This 'sponsored' review will change the way I do all 'reviews' moving foward -
If you have any questions about 18650 and any bat like these, hit up Battery Mooch on YT,FB,twitter,instagram etc - this is the battery guy.. hope this of some help for you..
At home d they are offering two 6ah for 119, and vanon has them for 72. Based on this review im going to purchase the genuine ryobi! Thanks for exposing this horrible scam!
Not sure if it goes with your stuff, but I got a WORX after-market battery for my lawn tools. It is labeled as a 84watt and was just a generic ebay battery. It actually lasted longer than my original WORX branded batteries. I just opened it up and came across your video while looking for info on the cells. The cells are wrapped and labeled as Vanon, 18650HR15. Strange that the battery will only run for a few seconds now, I think planned obsolescence with the BMS, as the same thing happened with the original real WORX batteries. I have run the cells through my benchmark system, discharged and recharged at 1 amp. They seem to hold about 1ah each. That was after 4 years of heavy use at my motel for grounds upkeep. Blue wrapper. I will be repurposing them in other projects.
On those blue LG cells, the laser etched warnings were added around the start of this year on all 2500mAh, and higher, cells in response to unauthorized use of LG cells outside of a protected battery pack. Especially by vapers.
You would think that a warning would be much more readable.... Someone shared some information on the forum on this also but thanks heaps for sharing here.
I appreciated the followup. I saw your previous video, and went looking for some of their tools batteries online. The user reviews didn't give me confident, so I didn't actually buy any. Now I'm really interested to see how the forum/community respond.
I will agree they scammed me and scammed my viewers - for that, I'm sorry hence the cards & description, response video & forum posts that's getting 1000's of search hits a week I hope that makes up for it.
I got couple vanon batteries couple months ago first time i used it it stoped working i opened it up and the solder came undone probably from getting hot i re soldiered it and it was fine but it had blue sells in it no purple ones
That lip on that LG looks like it was taking out of something else like a laptop battery. Then resold as new? I got a lot of 18650 batteries for flashlights and whatnot and that lip looks like all the batteries that Have taking out of recycled battery packs It’s usually a few cells are bad. If it’s not good it goes by by
I have a Vanon 18v 2.5 ah makita I got from ebay it has no name cells but I have been using it in my tools for almost 4 years still going . It doesn't have the power of a genuine makita but for $18 it's great for drills. I do remodeling for a living
Great video, I need to purchase a couple 5.0 amp he Makita 18v batteries. Do you have any suggestions of a somewhat reliable company? I do realize none of these will be as good as a new Makita battery but those are just too expensive. I can buy 3 aftermarket batteries for the same price as one Makita. Thanks and I’ll be watching more of your videos
I bought Vanon battery's for my Milwaukee units, the first one I got worked great, didn't hold a charge as long as originals but acceptable. Along comes my son's birthday so I bought 2 M 12's for him and 2 M 18's for me. He said his works great( I charged them on my charger) and the 2 M 18's were not good at all. One would not latch into the charger and the other would not latch into my drill or impact. After 4 weeks trying to get them to replace both of them I just gave up. They still will not latch and I am not going to damage my real Milwaukee equiptment. So for me Vanon is history!!!!
@@HBPowerwall I didn't check out this company first, my bad, but I did learn an expensive lesson. Like your segments, I never was an electrical guy (color blindness) because it takes a special kind of person to understand something you can't see and only "feel" when it's almost to late, LOL.
I sub you because it looks like you have a DYI Power wall and I am I'm thinking about doing a partials Solar Power Wall to start to to run my office - computer, lights and other items. I am just getting started. I have gotten around 50 use laptop battery packs. most are Samsung batteries. After charging some of them most 2300+ again I am just starting and have lots to learn but I've been interested in solar for a long time but one of the things that put me off is the battery cost. With lithium batteries I can build a very nice battery pack for less $$ and batteries will last longer. Any help would be appreciated. What size battery pack should I make how many cells, where to get the holders that you have on your wall. Thanks and I will start watching some of your earlier videos.
I bought the 6AH battery for my Makita drill,, never used it except to try it, and did a couple of maintenance charges to keep them topped off. Well they lasted 6 months before the things wouldn't charge or run in drill. Did whatever Vanon requested for documentation for warranty claim,,, finally put a claim into Paypal for defective product and not honoring the 1 year warranty, and Vanon lied to Paypal saying that the battery was abused somehow, and I got nothing except an offer of a $5 credit to buy a new defective battery from them in the future. Inside the pack, I had 9 - LR1865BI's and a single LR1865BE. Somehow I don't understand a single 1.5ah battery included in a 6ah pack. Fool me once,,,, never again.
I have 2 Vannon batteries right now sitting on my bench downstairs, and both are dead! I bought them a few weeks ago and got one last at full charge for one runtime. The other lasted about a minute and a half before dying. Both were charged fully before using. I contacted the Ebay seller and they remitted the cost of the batteries. Reviews on these batteries are filled with almost identical experiences. These were the so called 3ah "for Ryobi One+ 18v".
With all the scams out there, it's inevitable we will all be scammed at some point. Everyone must do their due diligence and not take the word of any online reviews, especially "sponsored" reviews and be skeptical of the too-good-to-be-true claims. There are certain popular YT reviewers that refuse to take sponsored items for review in order to protect themselves from this exact issue. HB don't lose sleep over it. You made the correction and that's all you can do.
I have left quite a detailed comment on your original video. I'm impressed you have the honesty bro upload this one. The quality of the Vanon packs different significantly internally across many aspects within the same amp rated models. Poor cell connects with little spot welding, Chinese cells, no heat sinks, no current protection, never any over temp protection, fine gauge wire connecting cells to the PCB etc. happy for you to Pm me and I can send you some of my photos. Anyone who has searched TH-cam be for lithium ion battery fires are foolish in thinking they are not risking their own safety and that of others when buying pirated battery packs.
I'm not overly concerned with the quality - if you pay for a cheap hooker you GET A CHEAP hooker... everyone knows what they are buying in that price bracket. My grip is I spent a huge amount of time editing and testing these cells like any video 80 percent of footage wasn't even used. I was impressed with the run time verses cost - I tested 30Q's and no one else got them. Grateful this wasn't a paid gig or I would have had to refund. You can upoad your photos on the forum if you like or email them to admin at diy powerwalls dot com and i'll post on your behalf
Update: I took several pictures if you want them. Mine had a date of 10/19/2018 so a few months after this video. They use their own generic Vanon shrink wrap on a battery of unknown origin. "Vanon 18650HR15 2018.10.19 3.6" Cutting the wrapper off revealed nothing, no markings of any kind on the cell. Cells test at .228v which is expected of a failed cell. Maybe they're no longer using random shit batteries and got a supply or maybe they're taking the time to rewrap random shite batteries, I don't know. I still don't mind what I paid... like 60 bucks for 2 that lasted 1.5 years. Not the best, I know. But I can put in replacements of my own so whatever. I have the circuitry in place.
Just got Venon Makita 18V 4AH compatible battery packs advertised to contain Samsung cells on eBay. Took the cover off to take a look at the cells and found cells marked Venon. Also, very poor soldering on the PCB. Positive wire was barely attached to the PCB. Spot weld is also very thin and poor. What is funny is, they have a comparison picture comparing Venon batteries and Others. The pack I received looks just like Ohters. LOL
Yep - what's even worse is they are using pictures pulled from my video's on their Amazon page :( it's just lies, but removing the first video that gets all the hits would be a negative for the community I think cause then I lose a small income & people aren't made aware via my later videos & comments
Just tossing these thoughts out as I watch... The zero in that J0F2 code on that 30Q indicates that it is a Samsung 20 series or 30 series cell. The free-floating top ring insulator is a good sign that it is a genuine Samsung too. All Samsung’s have a counterstamp on the venting disc, one or two characters, and near the outside edge on the bottom.
My 4ah lasted a couple years in a fan, exclusive use only. One just died. I took it apart, two cells were bad. As I pulled the nickel off it started venting... electrolyte? I'm not sure, I through it in a bottle of oil to be safe. The other I popped out and chucked in the there too. All I saw was purple wrappings that just had some generic "Vanon" "brand" on it. I'll take the non leaking one out and look closer. The other 8 batteries still tested 4v, I gotta get a tester too pull them down and check ampacity. That'll come soon. Even if the company sucks, these lasted a while and I'll just buy new cells and weld them in. The electric board seems fine and batteries are 5 bucks a pop so it'll be like buying a "new" one, I suppose, just with known good cells.
Yep when I took a failed (smoke deficit) Vanon 4.0 apart I had very badly burnt battery heat shrink at the POS end and the neg end and the cells were all that purple colour and labels very hard to read maybe only 13 q? Maybe the 30qs in he 6.0 are the only way they can get true capacity out of them. Good video again
@@HBPowerwall after watching your first video i was going yo order 4 6a/h batteries. Got busy with kids and shit. Glad i didnt. Watched this vid tonight and was gob smaked. Cheers for the honesty... i guess save a bit more for genuine Ryobi
I bought 2x Makita 6aH 18V packs from eBay, did a test with a stable 2.05A current soon as the charger said they were full, a Genuine 5aH lasted about 41 mins, the others labeled Vanon lasted only 14mins, seller sent me a replacement to try, that was the same too. The one i opened has cells that say Vanon 18650 LN22R 210818 3.6V. I ended up getting a refund, feel bad for the seller.
Looks like another revision of the Cell Database is called for including photos of the negative terminal .. secondlifestorage.com/showthread.php?tid=1685
my partner bought me a milwaukee m18 impact driver for xmas, (i got it early)... along with a 6aH Vanon battery.... After coming across this video, i opened mine up... No samsung cells... They are Non branded... apart from the usual stamping "18650" etc
I am salvaging 18650 cell from old power drill batteries and just revieved some vanon makita batteries and the cells are 100% not samsung. They are green import cells and written on the cells is as follows ( +vanon 18650LD15 20190716 3.6v) the cells are buggered and of poor quality. most of the time if I get a cell the wont charge its due to extremely low voltage so i give the a 20 sec charge with a second sell in parallel and then they are picked up by the charger. So far 100% of these cells are gone and if i could salvage them I would not feel comfortable using them. Happy to send you a cell to see
my Vanon Makita 9Ah 18V pack have purpur color Liion Vanon 18650LZ22R 202107 Liion cells...I have installed my own balancing connector and do not charge the pack with a higher current than 3A . Charger is ToolkitRC M6D.. I use accu pack for field power bank :-), this means accu pack have 8,8Ah , if 1Liion cell have real 2,2Ah...BTW: i use the Vanon 6Ah Makita 18V pack too, the real measured capacity is 4A..My advice; do not use Vanon batteries for high current consumers , max for small drill maschiene..!!
Yep, as i put in the description - this will change the way I do many things, just spent my whole income this month from youtube on stuff to test and tinker with rather than freebies from banggood or else where.
It would make sense that a battery in 2p config that was rated at 4Ah would have low quality cells as even high-drain OEM batteries are above 2Ah/cell. Was the 6Ah pack filled with 'ringers' is what I'm curious about.
Im posting what I reported on your prior video -> my recently bought 5.0 AhVanon (got two) cost me 52 Euros (26 each) and run my vaccum for about 22 minutes. My original 4.0 Ah all run my vacuum for 31 minutes and more. Needless to say - Im very disappointed from the Vanon batteries! If you want to talk me down because of what the Vanons cost -> I only buy my Ryobi batteries at Home Depot when they are sold for about 90 bucks (for TWO 4.0). To me... runtime matters as Im dependent on my tools. Vanon advertised 5.0 Ah and yet their product got beaten by my 4.0 that is 5 years old... EDIT. I can open the Vanons but I cannot pull the cell package! Seems like they habe glued them in!
Morale of the story is good batteries are expensive, buy cheap you get what you pay for. Batteries are simply one of those things where I've found the generic brand to be just as good as the name brand. They tend to work but about half as long, and last half as long also.
totally agree - that said if they had have been 30q's in every pack like they sent me they WOULD have been great batteries - BMS would definitely be the thing that held them back tho
I have the LG cells as well. Interesting to me - my stickers are coming off like the gold star in kindergarten when I teased a girl. The bottom molding on mine had two broken plastic pins that the screws went into.
I would say yes they probably did set you up. The ones we got are garbage, and the company does not fulfill their warranty promises. My dad bought 2, and if they get drained too far they won't charge up again. Both of his are dead after being used a few times. I know you're supposed to re-charge li-ions before they discharge too far, but the real makita and other name brand batteries have a protective circuit that keeps them from draining all the way. I've told my dad to charge his batteries sooner but he never does. I bought a couple too, had one in my flashlight which was accidentally left on, well it drained the battery all the way and now it wont recharge. Brand new battery only used a few times and its dead. The item description says one year warranty, but when you check the return policy it says 30 days. I've contacted customer service twice and still no response after 1 month.
If it makes you feel better I got burned by dewalt aka black and decker for the same. I got a good deal because I worked for a major hardware store but only on discontinued items and I quickly found out why. Thankfully I paid peanuts for new stock.
Yes I ran my 9 amp down on weedwacker..never to charge again..yes they are junk!!..and the other 9 amp I was cutting weeds down and smelt plastic burning..turned around and it was almost on fire!!!..I had taking it off so weedwacker did not burn..and I had burns on my hands from some sort of liguid...no more VANON JUNK FOR ME!!
Bravo for digging into the battery's construction and exposing what these clone battery companies are doing. I tried another brand, Antu, with my Ryobi tools and it only lasted 22 months so I went back to Ryobi batteries. I will be staying with my tool manufacturers batteries until a proven clone appears.
the second set of battery you have "LG" looks so similar to Tesla battery, I have four of the tesla one. [edit] OOooh, not quite the same, sorry. looking at one battery with a circle on bottom and the other with 3 side of the positive side on, that what confuse me thought it was on same battery. .
While you made this video 4 years ago, Yes they did set you up. I bought several of thier so called 6ah batteries in the past 3 years, I recently opened up one and found 18650's with vanon stamped on them, after doing multiple tests at various loads they all show up as 2000 mAh not the 3000mah they should be. Well I guess we know why they didnt want to send you more than 2 batteries.
Yep pure bs on their behalf, NOW they have been heard to say ' There are many FAKE Vanon Batteries out there' Like a fake company sent me or others the batteries for review.. Way too much evidence back then not to scream SETUP, at least I learnt from it and stopped doing things the same way.
Agree that Vanon are crap. Bought 2 of these 2.5 years ago for a project thinking they are half price, 2 for the price of 1 and will do for a construction project I had. 1 was dead on arrival, and got it replaced. The other lasted 2 months and couldn't get replaced...past the 30 day warranty!!! So the remaining one I've had for the 2 years but doesn't have the capacity or robustness of the genuine Ryobi battery. Its fallen apart, plastics cracked, screws fallen out and cant be put back in and held together with tape. Would I buy them again??? The answer is DEFINITELY NOT. I would have been better served buying 1 genuine RYOBI battery twice the price, robust and just works. Unfortunately, looks like you got scammed....I will never buy these cheap batteries again. I'd take a dead one for free and rejuvenate it with new/recycled batteries but never buy one ever again.
just got burnt last week by vanon. bought a 5AH makita 18V on ebay wanted a backup for my new makita dur189 whipper snipper.. so first i ran the 4AH genuine and got job done just with 1x genuine 4AH battery, the next week was Ebay Vanons 5AH turn and only got half way with same job "i go what the F----" contact ebay seller put my case forward they say but you only pay half of genuine price hahahaha, after more than a week i got a partial refund.. i popped battery pack open last night and found to no suprise a mid/deep Blue colour 18650 with writing Vanon, no Brand name whatsoever..when will i learn!!!
@@HBPowerwall it's ok mate, you got tricked too but in a different way..i just find it hard to accept there is no aftermarket 18v makita that stacks up to the Genuine batterys.
The LR1865BI cells that are in my 6Ah pack are rated at 1500mAh... WTF! These guys are scam artists... I have requested a refund, will see how it goes...
I had bought a set of 4Ah batteries from them and they ended up only having 1.3Ah in 2P configuration. So only 2.6Ah They didn't do anything for me after I contacted them.
Buying Lithium-Ion Batteries Online has got to be one of the biggest scams going, anyone getting exacty what they asked for has dropped lucky! To be absolutely sure your only choice is to get to a High Street Dealership i.e. a Camera Shop Licensed to sell SONY etc. eBay and even Amazon are no-go areas, but a reputable Electronics shop with a Web Site should be OK
I always just buy "real" batteries. Yeah they are expensive, but they last a long time and I know they'll work. If they don't work then back to the Depot!!
Anything LG, Samsung, SONY, or Panasonic is good by me, If its Japanese its good - if however its Unbranded Chinese or something like UltraFire or e̶n̶e̶l̶o̶o̶p̶, or any other battery with an obscure name?! then it's likely gonna underperform
There are some healthy no-namers out there what i hate is miss labled or just flat out lies. Cells that don't have public data sheets either grinds me also
I use Lithium-iron in my Electric Bicycle and I find I have to be quite careful were I purchase the pack from - If the Seller Guarantees 'Genuine Panasonic Cells inside' etc then its usually OK, but a look-a-like Battery Pack is all too often loaded with cheap chinese cells. Got to be careful out there!! btw great channel HB, thank you for the upload/info.
@@HBPowerwall bought them from ebay. ebay.com.au/usr/onfly6688 If i can swap them out what would be the best batt spec to replace them with and still give me more power? Can i simply replace them with 3500mah 20a? The bms is pretty basic so wouldnt know if it was killing itself and get too hot?
My issue is I promoted something with known fantastic cells with data sheets and proven track record and so far all reports no-one has received the same product *yet* Like I said in the description - very happy to print a retraction and remove this video if there is any evidence to prove I'm wrong.
Did Vanon set me up? sure they did...buy one without them knowing your going to review it and i bet $$$$$$ its shit just like all the other non genuine ryobi batteries..
Stands to reason that if you go bargaining you don't all ways get what you're looking for and buyer beware of course ther is lots of things knock offs of course out of China a some not so bad the pains are to prove what's worth the money the 18650 block of battery is out of Korea and LG Electronics and Samsung electronics are outstanding most power tool company use them not to sure what the chines thing is with good performance battery however it's you get what you pay for when bargain hunting over seas and the Internet less you make things your self interesting indeed
To be honest you really need to buy several vanon batterieswith your own money because what you did was help someone scam someone else so you're just as much of a scammer as vanon !!
you've seen my other videos right or the posts on the forum.. seems you've been brainwashed. Those assholes ripped everyone off... I've made that quite clear publicly
Keen on doing the right thing by our community! Please send me your pics & proof of purchase to admin at secondlifestorage dot com - DID you get 30q's? Link to forum post - you don't need to be a member to view all content on the forum! secondlifestorage.com/t-Vanon-Batteries-Yeh-did-they-dupe-me . Video contains a few contradictions on my behalf about 'burning' vanon - I'd like to reiterate that this video is about me promoting one product with premium cells and others have received nonname branded cells. This 'sponsored' review will change the way I do all 'reviews' moving foward -
If you have any questions about 18650 and any bat like these, hit up Battery Mooch on YT,FB,twitter,instagram etc - this is the battery guy.. hope this of some help for you..
I totally understand what you’re thinking mate... I would be doing the same thing if I was in your position!
Do you sell good 18650 batteries I would like too buy a couple
Guess I got lucky have bought some for dewalt and Ryobi and I have been impressed with run time would definitely buy more.
Thanks for the care and dilligence.
see what comes of it, updated the description and end screen of original video
At home d they are offering two 6ah for 119, and vanon has them for 72. Based on this review im going to purchase the genuine ryobi! Thanks for exposing this horrible scam!
Looking forward to see the results and hear more on the companies cells as many are always looking for good replacement tool batteries.
Thanks Pete
I was so excited to start but now i'm disappointed i didn't do more looking around first - still none has come forward with the same cells as i got
Not sure if it goes with your stuff, but I got a WORX after-market battery for my lawn tools. It is labeled as a 84watt and was just a generic ebay battery. It actually lasted longer than my original WORX branded batteries.
I just opened it up and came across your video while looking for info on the cells. The cells are wrapped and labeled as Vanon, 18650HR15. Strange that the battery will only run for a few seconds now, I think planned obsolescence with the BMS, as the same thing happened with the original real WORX batteries. I have run the cells through my benchmark system, discharged and recharged at 1 amp. They seem to hold about 1ah each. That was after 4 years of heavy use at my motel for grounds upkeep. Blue wrapper. I will be repurposing them in other projects.
On those blue LG cells, the laser etched warnings were added around the start of this year on all 2500mAh, and higher, cells in response to unauthorized use of LG cells outside of a protected battery pack. Especially by vapers.
You would think that a warning would be much more readable.... Someone shared some information on the forum on this also but thanks heaps for sharing here.
I appreciated the followup. I saw your previous video, and went looking for some of their tools batteries online. The user reviews didn't give me confident, so I didn't actually buy any. Now I'm really interested to see how the forum/community respond.
Definitely need more time to gather more info
Thank you for taking the time to make these guys honest
We will see how it all turns out :)
I got stung by trusting your previous review and ordered two of the 4 Amp hour batteries. Vanon is a scam.
I will agree they scammed me and scammed my viewers - for that, I'm sorry hence the cards & description, response video & forum posts that's getting 1000's of search hits a week I hope that makes up for it.
Tried to upload pics and failed, (on forum) so I give up.. My 6Ah packs contain green cells marked as LR1865BI. I think we all got ripped off.
Please don't give up shoot them to me via email - admin @ diypowerwalls dot com
I got couple vanon batteries couple months ago first time i used it it stoped working i opened it up and the solder came undone probably from getting hot i re soldiered it and it was fine but it had blue sells in it no purple ones
Would it not be expected to be different cells if those batteries are rated different: 6a/h vs 4a/h ?
Lets talk about that glitch lol wondering how long it would take for someone to pick up on that lol
4Ah High discharge 18650 cells?? Woowww I want some Venom cells too!!! Hahahahaa
That lip on that LG looks like it was taking out of something else like a laptop battery. Then resold as new?
I got a lot of 18650 batteries for flashlights and whatnot and that lip looks like all the batteries that Have taking out of recycled battery packs
It’s usually a few cells are bad. If it’s not good it goes by by
I have a Vanon 18v 2.5 ah makita I got from ebay it has no name cells but I have been using it in my tools for almost 4 years still going . It doesn't have the power of a genuine makita but for $18 it's great for drills. I do remodeling for a living
my vanon 6.5AH pack purchased last week has GJ 18650/20p 7.5wh cells
did you actually test the cells or read the side?
Great video, I need to purchase a couple 5.0 amp he Makita 18v batteries. Do you have any suggestions of a somewhat reliable company? I do realize none of these will be as good as a new Makita battery but those are just too expensive. I can buy 3 aftermarket batteries for the same price as one Makita. Thanks and I’ll be watching more of your videos
Is there anything wrong with the LG tho? I mean LG is still a good cell brand.
Question is are they LG ? But they test great so far
@@HBPowerwall easy for them to put LG on them which mean nothing..fake.
would you know off hand what cells ryobi chinese knockoff creabest use? i see them on ebay 2 for $78 ---5ah..
for that price it won't be anything reialabe.
@@HBPowerwall hmmm..i think you might be right.
I bought Vanon battery's for my Milwaukee units, the first one I got worked great, didn't hold a charge as long as originals but acceptable. Along comes my son's birthday so I bought 2 M 12's for him and 2 M 18's for me. He said his works great( I charged them on my charger) and the 2 M 18's were not good at all. One would not latch into the charger and the other would not latch into my drill or impact. After 4 weeks trying to get them to replace both of them I just gave up. They still will not latch and I am not going to damage my real Milwaukee equiptment. So for me Vanon is history!!!!
They are a F!@#$%^&*(en shit company... Changed the way I do reviews for sure.
@@HBPowerwall I didn't check out this company first, my bad, but I did learn an expensive lesson. Like your segments, I never was an electrical guy (color blindness) because it takes a special kind of person to understand something you can't see and only "feel" when it's almost to late, LOL.
I sub you because it looks like you have a DYI Power wall and I am I'm thinking about doing a partials Solar Power Wall to start to to run my office - computer, lights and other items. I am just getting started. I have gotten around 50 use laptop battery packs. most are Samsung batteries. After charging some of them most 2300+ again I am just starting and have lots to learn but I've been interested in solar for a long time but one of the things that put me off is the battery cost. With lithium batteries I can build a very nice battery pack for less $$ and batteries will last longer. Any help would be appreciated. What size battery pack should I make how many cells, where to get the holders that you have on your wall. Thanks and I will start watching some of your earlier videos.
I bought the 6AH battery for my Makita drill,, never used it except to try it, and did a couple of maintenance charges to keep them topped off. Well they lasted 6 months before the things wouldn't charge or run in drill. Did whatever Vanon requested for documentation for warranty claim,,, finally put a claim into Paypal for defective product and not honoring the 1 year warranty, and Vanon lied to Paypal saying that the battery was abused somehow, and I got nothing except an offer of a $5 credit to buy a new defective battery from them in the future. Inside the pack, I had 9 - LR1865BI's and a single LR1865BE. Somehow I don't understand a single 1.5ah battery included in a 6ah pack. Fool me once,,,, never again.
Yep bunch of assholes
I have 2 Vannon batteries right now sitting on my bench downstairs, and both are dead! I bought them a few weeks ago and got one last at full charge for one runtime. The other lasted about a minute and a half before dying. Both were charged fully before using. I contacted the Ebay seller and they remitted the cost of the batteries. Reviews on these batteries are filled with almost identical experiences. These were the so called 3ah "for Ryobi One+ 18v".
so sad people need to try do this to make a living :(
With all the scams out there, it's inevitable we will all be scammed at some point. Everyone must do their due diligence and not take the word of any online reviews, especially "sponsored" reviews and be skeptical of the too-good-to-be-true claims. There are certain popular YT reviewers that refuse to take sponsored items for review in order to protect themselves from this exact issue. HB don't lose sleep over it. You made the correction and that's all you can do.
Certainly changed my ways since..
I have left quite a detailed comment on your original video. I'm impressed you have the honesty bro upload this one. The quality of the Vanon packs different significantly internally across many aspects within the same amp rated models. Poor cell connects with little spot welding, Chinese cells, no heat sinks, no current protection, never any over temp protection, fine gauge wire connecting cells to the PCB etc. happy for you to Pm me and I can send you some of my photos. Anyone who has searched TH-cam be for lithium ion battery fires are foolish in thinking they are not risking their own safety and that of others when buying pirated battery packs.
I'm not overly concerned with the quality - if you pay for a cheap hooker you GET A CHEAP hooker... everyone knows what they are buying in that price bracket. My grip is I spent a huge amount of time editing and testing these cells like any video 80 percent of footage wasn't even used. I was impressed with the run time verses cost - I tested 30Q's and no one else got them. Grateful this wasn't a paid gig or I would have had to refund. You can upoad your photos on the forum if you like or email them to admin at diy powerwalls dot com and i'll post on your behalf
Update: I took several pictures if you want them. Mine had a date of 10/19/2018 so a few months after this video. They use their own generic Vanon shrink wrap on a battery of unknown origin. "Vanon 18650HR15 2018.10.19 3.6" Cutting the wrapper off revealed nothing, no markings of any kind on the cell. Cells test at .228v which is expected of a failed cell. Maybe they're no longer using random shit batteries and got a supply or maybe they're taking the time to rewrap random shite batteries, I don't know. I still don't mind what I paid... like 60 bucks for 2 that lasted 1.5 years. Not the best, I know. But I can put in replacements of my own so whatever. I have the circuitry in place.
I bought several batteries on their website and there was no big problem
So you got the cells I reviewed?
Just got Venon Makita 18V 4AH compatible battery packs advertised to contain Samsung cells on eBay. Took the cover off to take a look at the cells and found cells marked Venon. Also, very poor soldering on the PCB. Positive wire was barely attached to the PCB. Spot weld is also very thin and poor. What is funny is, they have a comparison picture comparing Venon batteries and Others. The pack I received looks just like Ohters. LOL
Yep - what's even worse is they are using pictures pulled from my video's on their Amazon page :( it's just lies, but removing the first video that gets all the hits would be a negative for the community I think cause then I lose a small income & people aren't made aware via my later videos & comments
Just tossing these thoughts out as I watch...
The zero in that J0F2 code on that 30Q indicates that it is a Samsung 20 series or 30 series cell. The free-floating top ring insulator is a good sign that it is a genuine Samsung too. All Samsung’s have a counterstamp on the venting disc, one or two characters, and near the outside edge on the bottom.
I'll see if i can see that in the morning when i'm back in the workshop - thanks for helping with the ol learning :)
I ordered and received 6 of the 6.0 amp he batteries, I haven't used them all that much yet but I guess I better open them up. I will let you know.
Further proof that you get what you pay for! That said Ryobi over charges for theirs!
My 4ah lasted a couple years in a fan, exclusive use only. One just died. I took it apart, two cells were bad. As I pulled the nickel off it started venting... electrolyte? I'm not sure, I through it in a bottle of oil to be safe. The other I popped out and chucked in the there too. All I saw was purple wrappings that just had some generic "Vanon" "brand" on it. I'll take the non leaking one out and look closer. The other 8 batteries still tested 4v, I gotta get a tester too pull them down and check ampacity. That'll come soon. Even if the company sucks, these lasted a while and I'll just buy new cells and weld them in. The electric board seems fine and batteries are 5 bucks a pop so it'll be like buying a "new" one, I suppose, just with known good cells.
What was the result was this a one of special battery sent to you?
The sent me special built batteries with GOOD 30amp cells not the cheap shit they sold everyone else after I did the video..
Only brand I have seen with Sam caution warning is ultrafiltration and they provide very poor quality calls normally with sand and a lipo internal
Yep when I took a failed (smoke deficit) Vanon 4.0 apart I had very badly burnt battery heat shrink at the POS end and the neg end and the cells were all that purple colour and labels very hard to read maybe only 13 q?
Maybe the 30qs in he 6.0 are the only way they can get true capacity out of them. Good video again
I don't know but they are crap batteries and a crap company selling them.. liers they are
My batteries are just labeled "VANON 18650 XTH26R 210105 3.6V" then a barcode and serial number.
Yep, sounds standard - I was given great cells to dupe the public :( And me as it turns out!
what were the results?
Shit company - just lies -
So what came of this. Cant find a follow up video?
They are crap. Sent me ‘built’ batteries
@@HBPowerwall after watching your first video i was going yo order 4 6a/h batteries. Got busy with kids and shit. Glad i didnt. Watched this vid tonight and was gob smaked. Cheers for the honesty... i guess save a bit more for genuine Ryobi
I bought 2x Makita 6aH 18V packs from eBay, did a test with a stable 2.05A current soon as the charger said they were full, a Genuine 5aH lasted about 41 mins, the others labeled Vanon lasted only 14mins, seller sent me a replacement to try, that was the same too. The one i opened has cells that say Vanon 18650 LN22R 210818 3.6V. I ended up getting a refund, feel bad for the seller.
The only cells I've come across with the indent on the negative terminal has been the older Panosonic cells.
You know what, that rings a bell - REALLY old ones & perhaps green sleeves ?
HBPowerwall any of the old ones have it. Clear Blue, clear green, yellow, purple. I don't have them in front of me but yea. Over 10 years old
The Panasonics that I've seen were CGR18650HG with an orange sleeve, and the CGR18650A with the green sleeve
Looks like another revision of the Cell Database is called for including photos of the negative terminal .. secondlifestorage.com/showthread.php?tid=1685
my partner bought me a milwaukee m18 impact driver for xmas, (i got it early)... along with a 6aH Vanon battery.... After coming across this video, i opened mine up... No samsung cells... They are Non branded... apart from the usual stamping "18650" etc
Yep, I ripped off a lot of people trusting this company, changed the way I do reviews from this video forward
Bought 4 6ah Vannon batteries for Dewalt 20v. They came with Vannon branded cells. Anyone else have this? The packs all tested to about 4.8 - 4.9 ah.
Heaps come with the Vanon branded cells - none came with 30Qs
I am salvaging 18650 cell from old power drill batteries and just revieved some vanon makita batteries and the cells are 100% not samsung. They are green import cells and written on the cells is as follows ( +vanon 18650LD15 20190716 3.6v) the cells are buggered and of poor quality. most of the time if I get a cell the wont charge its due to extremely low voltage so i give the a 20 sec charge with a second sell in parallel and then they are picked up by the charger. So far 100% of these cells are gone and if i could salvage them I would not feel comfortable using them. Happy to send you a cell to see
Only good for recycling :( waste of money and time doing these videos for Vanon
my Vanon Makita 9Ah 18V pack have purpur color Liion Vanon 18650LZ22R 202107
Liion cells...I have installed my own balancing connector and do not charge the pack with a higher current than 3A . Charger is ToolkitRC M6D.. I use accu pack for field power bank :-), this means accu pack have 8,8Ah , if 1Liion cell have real 2,2Ah...BTW: i use the Vanon 6Ah Makita 18V pack too, the real measured capacity is 4A..My advice; do not use Vanon batteries for high current consumers , max for small drill maschiene..!!
better yet get my money back from lieing assholes and buy better batteries that don't make you compromise how you have to use them.
This is why I watch Project Farm. he BUYS all his comparative products.
YES THIS! The fuckery from these companies is stupid
You never test something you do not purchase yourself at the store.. learn from consumer reports in the states
Yep, as i put in the description - this will change the way I do many things, just spent my whole income this month from youtube on stuff to test and tinker with rather than freebies from banggood or else where.
For the price, they are great.
For the price they work - can't agree more, did they set me up was the question.
till your charger blows up or they stuff up your tool...dont buy them..
The cells are also 23 grams lighter than a lg original.
23grams is a lot of a difference
what have u found?
I was setup.
You can put photos in a youtube video...
It would make sense that a battery in 2p config that was rated at 4Ah would have low quality cells as even high-drain OEM batteries are above 2Ah/cell. Was the 6Ah pack filled with 'ringers' is what I'm curious about.
This is what i'm keen to find out - if no one else gets the same cells as me - you have to think that there is something fishy going on
Im posting what I reported on your prior video -> my recently bought 5.0 AhVanon (got two) cost me 52 Euros (26 each) and run my vaccum for about 22 minutes. My original 4.0 Ah all run my vacuum for 31 minutes and more. Needless to say - Im very disappointed from the Vanon batteries! If you want to talk me down because of what the Vanons cost -> I only buy my Ryobi batteries at Home Depot when they are sold for about 90 bucks (for TWO 4.0). To me... runtime matters as Im dependent on my tools. Vanon advertised 5.0 Ah and yet their product got beaten by my 4.0 that is 5 years old... EDIT. I can open the Vanons but I cannot pull the cell package! Seems like they habe glued them in!
Yep, ripped me off and my viewers - assholes
ive got a vanon fake 5 amp 18v bosch battery more like 4 amp, it has 10 3.7v, i like the internal construction theyre vanon brand batteries
Morale of the story is good batteries are expensive, buy cheap you get what you pay for. Batteries are simply one of those things where I've found the generic brand to be just as good as the name brand. They tend to work but about half as long, and last half as long also.
totally agree - that said if they had have been 30q's in every pack like they sent me they WOULD have been great batteries - BMS would definitely be the thing that held them back tho
Thank You for caring and trying help out. I really hope that it doesn't turn out to be a set up.
Not looking good so far..
I have the LG cells as well. Interesting to me - my stickers are coming off like the gold star in kindergarten when I teased a girl. The bottom molding on mine had two broken plastic pins that the screws went into.
so wtf was the result ????
Useless CRAP.....
YES A SCAM... .. brothers failed after approx 6 recharges, vanom brand is a scam
Totally agree
Good Video, Mate
Thanks Edward
I was about to buy one how shady not to have a standard battery...
Just kinda shady? More like bullshit - totally duped I was, but learnt something new so that's a bonus
I would say yes they probably did set you up. The ones we got are garbage, and the company does not fulfill their warranty promises. My dad bought 2, and if they get drained too far they won't charge up again. Both of his are dead after being used a few times. I know you're supposed to re-charge li-ions before they discharge too far, but the real makita and other name brand batteries have a protective circuit that keeps them from draining all the way. I've told my dad to charge his batteries sooner but he never does. I bought a couple too, had one in my flashlight which was accidentally left on, well it drained the battery all the way and now it wont recharge. Brand new battery only used a few times and its dead. The item description says one year warranty, but when you check the return policy it says 30 days. I've contacted customer service twice and still no response after 1 month.
If it makes you feel better I got burned by dewalt aka black and decker for the same. I got a good deal because I worked for a major hardware store but only on discontinued items and I quickly found out why. Thankfully I paid peanuts for new stock.
Yes I ran my 9 amp down on weedwacker..never to charge again..yes they are junk!!..and the other 9 amp I was cutting weeds down and smelt plastic burning..turned around and it was almost on fire!!!..I had taking it off so weedwacker did not burn..and I had burns on my hands from some sort of liguid...no more VANON JUNK FOR ME!!
Bravo for digging into the battery's construction and exposing what these clone battery companies are doing. I tried another brand, Antu, with my Ryobi tools and it only lasted 22 months so I went back to Ryobi batteries. I will be staying with my tool manufacturers batteries until a proven clone appears.
Thank you! - i'm only genuine now - don't even fix my own any more just not worth it
the second set of battery you have "LG" looks so similar to Tesla battery, I have four of the tesla one. [edit] OOooh, not quite the same, sorry. looking at one battery with a circle on bottom and the other with 3 side of the positive side on, that what confuse me thought it was on same battery.
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Bugger thought you were onto something.
Strange circle thing on the base i cant say ive ever seen that before.
it is similar to tesla battery, I got some here.
any chance you can take a photo and shoot it over too me - admin at diypowerwalls dot com TIA
While you made this video 4 years ago, Yes they did set you up. I bought several of thier so called 6ah batteries in the past 3 years, I recently opened up one and found 18650's with vanon stamped on them, after doing multiple tests at various loads they all show up as 2000 mAh not the 3000mah they should be. Well I guess we know why they didnt want to send you more than 2 batteries.
Yep pure bs on their behalf, NOW they have been heard to say ' There are many FAKE Vanon Batteries out there' Like a fake company sent me or others the batteries for review.. Way too much evidence back then not to scream SETUP, at least I learnt from it and stopped doing things the same way.
they sent you the good cells inside for a good revue and not what they realy put in them. smart marketing.... or not....
For sure!
Midwinter 4c wow. We hawe midsommer 9c heavy rain 28m/s wind.
That'll make ya nuts shink lol
Those look like no name cells I have gotten before. They was OK they wasn't may fire cells just not great!
I think the ones i have got are great cells, my concern is no one else has got the same cells as me :(
What’s real funny is them selling 9Ah M18 batteries. It’s that Chinese math going on here.
Agree that Vanon are crap.
Bought 2 of these 2.5 years ago for a project thinking they are half price, 2 for the price of 1 and will do for a construction project I had. 1 was dead on arrival, and got it replaced. The other lasted 2 months and couldn't get replaced...past the 30 day warranty!!! So the remaining one I've had for the 2 years but doesn't have the capacity or robustness of the genuine Ryobi battery. Its fallen apart, plastics cracked, screws fallen out and cant be put back in and held together with tape.
Would I buy them again??? The answer is DEFINITELY NOT.
I would have been better served buying 1 genuine RYOBI battery twice the price, robust and just works. Unfortunately, looks like you got scammed....I will never buy these cheap batteries again. I'd take a dead one for free and rejuvenate it with new/recycled batteries but never buy one ever again.
4Ah High discharge 18650 cells?? Woowww I want some “Venom cells” too!!! Hahahahaa
lol
they are on a double row, so the 4 amps pack has 2 amps cells and the 6 amp pack has 3 amps cells
magnifying glass was invented about 700 yrs ago!!! cost about 1$
surly they can be had cheaper than that..
just got burnt last week by vanon. bought a 5AH makita 18V on ebay wanted a backup for my new makita dur189 whipper snipper..
so first i ran the 4AH genuine and got job done just with 1x genuine 4AH battery, the next week was Ebay Vanons 5AH turn and only got half way with same job "i go what the F----" contact ebay seller put my case forward they say but you only pay half of genuine price hahahaha, after more than a week i got a partial refund..
i popped battery pack open last night and found to no suprise a mid/deep Blue colour 18650 with writing Vanon, no Brand name whatsoever..when will i learn!!!
Yep shit company to deal with, I hold my head in shame that I accepted product to review - changed the way I do things thats for sure.
@@HBPowerwall it's ok mate, you got tricked too but in a different way..i just find it hard to accept there is no aftermarket 18v makita that stacks up to the Genuine batterys.
BOUGHT A VANON 5Ah BATTERY ... LASTED LESS THAN A YEAR ... WILL NOT CHARGE . WASTE OF MONEY.
Happy so many agree with me!
The LR1865BI cells that are in my 6Ah pack are rated at 1500mAh... WTF! These guys are scam artists... I have requested a refund, will see how it goes...
I had bought a set of 4Ah batteries from them and they ended up only having 1.3Ah in 2P configuration. So only 2.6Ah They didn't do anything for me after I contacted them.
Buying Lithium-Ion Batteries Online has got to be one of the biggest scams going, anyone getting exacty what they asked for has dropped lucky!
To be absolutely sure your only choice is to get to a High Street Dealership i.e. a Camera Shop Licensed to sell SONY etc.
eBay and even Amazon are no-go areas, but a reputable Electronics shop with a Web Site should be OK
I always just buy "real" batteries. Yeah they are expensive, but they last a long time and I know they'll work. If they don't work then back to the Depot!!
What ever happened about this
read description - they are shit batteries and i was setup.. Pissed off & used - changed the way I tube!
Anyone ever get any success in getting money back from vanon?
Keep at them - they are unethical!
Anything LG, Samsung, SONY, or Panasonic is good by me, If its Japanese its good - if however its Unbranded Chinese or something like UltraFire or e̶n̶e̶l̶o̶o̶p̶, or any other battery with an obscure name?! then it's likely gonna underperform
JustBanter eneloop is Panasonic...
then I stand corrected, thanx for the heads-up, forget I mentioned that bit.
Sanyo/Panasonic are decent :)
There are some healthy no-namers out there what i hate is miss labled or just flat out lies. Cells that don't have public data sheets either grinds me also
I use Lithium-iron in my Electric Bicycle and I find I have to be quite careful were I purchase the pack from - If the Seller Guarantees 'Genuine Panasonic Cells inside' etc then its usually OK, but a look-a-like Battery Pack is all too often loaded with cheap chinese cells. Got to be careful out there!!
btw great channel HB, thank you for the upload/info.
Yes it's very hard to know these days :(
I opened my 6ah Vanons up.
Says Tesson branded batteries. Cant even google that name :/
photos.app.goo.gl/a26auxQ44FxrQ7rV9
Did you buy them from my first review when i thought they were good, or from else where ?
@@HBPowerwall bought them from ebay.
ebay.com.au/usr/onfly6688
If i can swap them out what would be the best batt spec to replace them with and still give me more power?
Can i simply replace them with 3500mah 20a? The bms is pretty basic so wouldnt know if it was killing itself and get too hot?
You would be better upgrading the Roybi Battery than using the Vanon BMS i've had one fail already
@@HBPowerwall would the bms be the same across all ryobi batteries?
I thought you said we couldn't show photos on TH-cam. Then take pictures and show them. Hummmmmmm
I probably would have waited until the results were in before posting. It does seem dodgy though
My issue is I promoted something with known fantastic cells with data sheets and proven track record and so far all reports no-one has received the same product *yet* Like I said in the description - very happy to print a retraction and remove this video if there is any evidence to prove I'm wrong.
You can call me laptop repair
You missed a bit when you were shaving lol.
I know right....
Did Vanon set me up? sure they did...buy one without them knowing your going to review it and i bet $$$$$$ its shit just like all the other non genuine ryobi batteries..
Setup for sure
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Ohh man that unwrapped cell makes me nervous lol
Steady hands
Stands to reason that if you go bargaining you don't all ways get what you're looking for and buyer beware of course ther is lots of things knock offs of course out of China a some not so bad the pains are to prove what's worth the money the 18650 block of battery is out of Korea and LG Electronics and Samsung electronics are outstanding most power tool company use them not to sure what the chines thing is with good performance battery however it's you get what you pay for when bargain hunting over seas and the Internet less you make things your self interesting indeed
Vanon batterys suck I have ordered a few packs and they died after 2 days poor quality
Yeh piss poor at best
@@HBPowerwall the company needs to be exposed too bad the other companys and sue him for making copy’s
for mi the worst battery
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To be honest you really need to buy several vanon batterieswith your own money because what you did was help someone scam someone else so you're just as much of a scammer as vanon !!
you've seen my other videos right or the posts on the forum.. seems you've been brainwashed. Those assholes ripped everyone off... I've made that quite clear publicly