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That's called reacting and thank you for sharing your reaction with us. We've all gone through these episodes a 1st time. This isn't sadistic voyeurism, it's empathy.
Giles was not drinking for the sake of drinking. He was drinking to the song that he and Joyce listened to in Band Candy. It was his way of remembering her.
"Tales Of Brave Ulysses" -Cream
i hadn’t recognized the song but i love that❤❤
Yup. He was listening to a memorable song and toasting the dead. I always thought it was sweet that he spent his evening among his fond memories of her.
@@mrmidlife2546 Yup, was a call back to the Band Candy episode with that age reversing chocolate. I believe it was the song they were listening to on the record player.
That's what broke my heart
Losing someone isn’t the hardest thing in the world. The hardest thing in the world is everyday afterwards when there not around.
I thought you were about to Say "is to live in it" 😂
@@Dalkia6911me too hahahah😊
So Angel traveled from LA for the funeral, but the dad can't even call. A second thing for Buffy to grieve about.
"This episode cannot make me cry."
Me, knowing that Angel is coming: "Heh. Where's my popcorn?"
Buffy crying out “Who’s going to take care of US?” gets me every time 😭😭😭 Because she’s really asking of the WORLD, who is going to take care of us??? I’m just a kid, no matter how strong I am, I’m still just a girl, we’re just girls, who’s going to take care of us??? 😩 it Murders me. Plus, she said “us”, not “you” as in Dawn. But us.
The bit where Joyce walks past the window...its absolutely spine chilling.
That moment and leading up to Dawn ripping the photo is one of the most tense scenes in the show.
@@CowCowMeows yes! You just know she came back wrong with that lead up.
@@CowCowMeowsMost tense and also most heartbreaking all at the same time
Yeah. "The Body" is the shock, "Forever" is the trauma.
This episode is what most post-death of character storylines in pop culture are because most stories don't do the immediate hours afterwards, they do the days to weeks afterwards. The fact that Joyce got this episode and _The Body_ (the hours after and the days after) means something.
Well, Jenny got the hours after but not the days after.
@@jp3813 She got a moment of discovery in the episode where she died when said episode was about something else. That's a different category than the two I was talking of.
btw, the scene with Giles alone in his house he is listening to the song he heard with Joyce in band candy. Now you can watch that scene again and cry :)
I really like the Buffy-Angel scene(s) in this episode. A special moment for both characters and those invested in them.
yep!❤
I really enjoyed the weird friendship between Spike and Joyce, so I loved the detail that he came by with flowers and was angry when Xander didn't trust his intentions. "I liked the lady! She was decent..." 💔
Giles didn't just go to alcohol: he was listening to the same album he and Joyce listened to together in "Band Candy."
16:47 That's Oscar and Tony winner Joel Grey ("Cabaret'), the father of actress Jennifer Grey ("Ferris Bueller's Day Off", "Dirty Dancing").
Joel Grey was also Chiun in "Remo Williams: The Adventure Begins" - a fine tongue in cheek adaptation of the "The Destroyer" pulp adventure series.
@@ernesthakey3396 He also did guest spots on "Oz" and "Alias".
He was a guest star in an episode of Star Trek Voyager.
Did you notice the song Giles was listening to? It was the one that was playing when he and Joyce were hanging out in his house, smoking, in Band Candy.
When my Mother died, my ex-fiancee and I recreated the Angel and Buffy sitting underneath the tree, I got out of my wheelchair, I told her what happened and I we just talked until the sun went down, I needed my Buffy in that moment.
That was a nice touch, having Giles listen to the same song from Band Candy he and Joyce were listening to. There's a lot of "Pet Sematary" vibes in the attempt of bringing Joyce back. It's not a good idea.
I actually feel like Angel was allowing Buffy to just find comfort in him a little, to use him instead of the other way around. She needed a little solace and he helped provide that for her in that moment. To me, anyway.
The way they weave in the Buffy/Angel theme into the music playing while they kiss is so good. I didn't care for Angel while he was on Buffy. I think he matures a lot on his show and they work a lot better together the few times he comes back on Buffy's show.
The fact that no matter how many times I watch those episodes (the body and forever, and others, let's be honest), or how I watch it (even watching reactions) I cry my eyes out... I can't stop myself from crying no matter if I've seen it fifty times or more... That says a lot about the acting, and the show.
Oh SMG is excellent at doing the devastated, heartbroken range of acting. This episode really dragged the audience right down into it with her.
I mean the question of why grown ups are helping Dawn -Spike is... Spike. Not big in the field of sound judgement.
Willow has a bit of a history with magic fixes to problems (de-lusting Xander, anyone?)
I don't believe I've ever seen someone react so strongly seeing Angel appear for Buffy. I was thinking you were really going to lose it with the Dawn/Buffy end scene but you actually did it for the Angel scene. Glad it was a surprise for you to see him again. I do wish they had Tara say that she knew what Dawn was going through instead of staying silent because Dawn didn't think anyone did. Great reactions as usual and it will be nice to see you laugh with the next episode and get a break from all the crying....for now.
I think it was important Tara actually didn't because I think that would have diminished the impact of the buffy/dawn conversation of the sisters bond in the end
If you tell someone who’s just been thrown into grief that you know what they’re feeling, know what they’ve lost, you are unlikely to reach them. Especially when it’s fresh. We may experience similar things when we grieve but the relationships that we lose are unique.
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"i know it's different for you, because it's always different..." -- tara, previous episode
@@sirmoonslosthismind One of many reasons it’s such a good episode.
37:15 Tara was raised Wiccan. She's a witch from a long line of Witches. She trusts that tradition of magic and understands that its rules are there for a reason. Willow sees those rules as stifling.
The whole episode will always be emotional for me. I have shed tears in the past over so many parts, but the part I always cry at is Angel coming to see Buffy. I have always loved and will always love Buffy/Angel. It was beautiful and super special and it gave Buffy strength.
When she says who’s going to take care of us 😢
Aw damn, domi... your tears at Angel's appearance is making ME cry! 💔🤗 *passes you the tissues
This episode probably gets to me more than the previous one. The terrifying feeling of what happens after the initial shock is dying down and you have to continue on. And feeling like traveling without a guide in life.
i completely get that! ❤
Willow goes for the quick fix. Tara understands and respects magic
Hearing your thoughs on the start of the video, now you get why Buffy fans are watching reactors till this day. It is also our confort show. Though its hard to think about it as confort with this season (wich is my favourite, but hits us like a truck)
❤❤❤yup!!
Giles didn't just go to alcohol. He listened to the record that he played for Joyce in Band Candy.
The whole argument with Dawn was very well done, they really played off each other well to get to the emotion of it
15:38 If you didn't catch it, Giles is listening to the same album he and Joyce listened to in Band Candy.
I left a similar comment on another reaction of this episode, but I remember having a similar reaction when Angel showed up the first time I saw this episode. I also remember this show was cemented as one of, if not my only, favorite series because my favorite thing is when something so predictable/expected happens, but it totally catches you off guard like that and is instantly remarkable. I dunno, maybe I’m crazy, but the previous episode was flawless, and this episode did everything it needed to not just for the characters in the Buffy verse but also for the viewers. Great reactions!
The kiss between Angel and Buffy was more of a confrot thing then anything. To show that even if they are not together he still cares for her and vice versa
angel is channeling a little of xander from the beginning of his relationship with anya, taking what buffy says exactly at face value. "okay". if domi is right that buffy wanted angel to stop her, then she really needed to say that.
@@sirmoonslosthismind So if Buffy told Angel the moment he came to town for her should he have gone I mean she would be telling him face value to leave. With her state of mind does she really know what she "needs". How about she decided to just leave town or go into depression should everyone just accept it cuz she said so.
Your reaction to Angel showing up was epic. Haha. Also, I'm with Editing Domi on this. This is a fantastic episode and a terrific follow up to The Body.
The moment when Dawn tears the photo is the hardest moment, for me. Not knowing if Dawn's spell was successful is possibly worse than knowing it wasn't.
This is probably not the best place for this, but it was the first time I thought it: how compared to Willow who's been visiting her mom a lot lately (the women who didnt notice her daughter's hair cut for months); Xander still does not want to see his parents under the circumstances. It's easy to overlook because he always turns his home life into a joke, but it really emphasizes at least to, how terrible his home life really is.
So relatable how the only way you could cope with your Buffy-induced depression was to watch more Buffy!
No more tears. Ma'm, this is the Buffyverse.
20:14 “Buffandra!” 🤣💀
That’s official head canon now.
After the fallout from Joyce's death you can feel the pain of Dawn in Forever where she just can't accept her mother's death, and would do anything to being her back. This of course is a very basic human emotion experienced by many. You can see how Tara is annoyed with Willow for lending some assistance. Tara become very wary of Willow's increasing power, great perception by you re the Willow/Tara power shift, and the tensions increasing with them. Another good point raised with the anxiety and pressure of having to deal with arranging funeral, wake, catering, etc even the admin involved after death in having to contact banks, pension companies, solicitors, etc etc etc it is really draining. Some terrific scenes with Dawn and Buffy at the end you can almost feel the anguish for the two of them. Brilliantly acted, again how this show did not receive awards is crazy, it should definitely be retrospectively recognised and awarded at the Emmys in the future for its contribution to TV drama. Domi you will never give up on this show! We know this show can be very light hearted with great comedy moments, but when it hits hard it really hits. This is what makes the Buffyverse shows so brilliant they cover every type of human emotion so well. On reflection you will watch all the episodes again and will appreciate them even more. Take care we all know how you feel.
With JW's reputation nowadays, I strongly and sadly believe the NATAS (National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences) won't award it at the Emmys in the future retrospectively.
Recently, I watched an episode of The Shuttle Pod Show, hosted by "Star Trek: Enterprise" alum Dominic Keating and Connor Trinneer. They had Rod Roddenberry, Gene's kid with Majel Barrett, and Rod was going through the details of his father's life (war hero, police officer, avid reader, getting ST: TOS off the ground). Gene was a man of his time, and he wasn't perfect, but he believed in the vision and philosophy of the show, a better future for humankind.
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As a writer and a fan of genre TV, what makes me mad about JW is he made his fantasy world about HIM (Xander and some other characters are obvious avatars) while using feminism as a sports car, and I didn't even watch Buffy or Angel when they first aired. Sure, he's clever, but he's not like Gene, Chris Carter (Happy 30th Anniversary, X-Files!) or Rod Serling in the visionary department. He's not even Norman Lear, Aaron Sorkin or David Simon when it comes to the human condition or a reliable craftsman like Stephen J. Cannell. When people write, be it prose, TV, movies, comic books, they mostly talk beyond themselves. "The Body" and "Forever" are some of the personable and relatable episodes, but the whole show, at its core, is somewhat tainted by narcissism.
I'm not saying no one should enjoy Buffy. I'm saying that you should enjoy the good things about it and not ignore the ugly things caused by a guy, who has ironically become the Big Bad Of his own story. It's ironic and pathetic for him.
@@Madbandit77 He's a good writer. He's great at writing realistic characters. I think I prefer people to have your open eyed attitude than try to make excuses for people which won't really fly. I'm thinking about this stuff a bit today because I spent a lot of time watching a channel that does music reactions, and one of their vids was a cover of a Michael Jackson song. So it came out that one of the reactors on that channel was a huge Michael Jackson fan. So I've had the issue of problematic creators, and how we relate to them bouncing around in my head for a bit today.
Just on the Buffy side of things, character wise, this is also one of those episodes that really highlights that despite Buffy having a couple of named family members including a father, she and Dawn are pretty much left to do everything on their own, which adds even more pressure to Buffy. I know the show really banks on the "found/created family" aspect of the group, but I often do wish they would have addressed the abandonment and irresponsibility of her father a bit more, especially throughout the Joyce stuff in season 5.
@@paulhammond6978 I never felt Michael Jackson was a monster, but an eccentric who got taken advantage of because of who he was and his eccentricities. Would you let your kids sleep over at an adult's house, famous or not? I wouldn't even put JW in the same boat as Michael Jackson, though the rumors about him and Michelle Trachtenberg are valid.
As for JW's talent, he's clever to a fault because he's more in love with his own voice/dialogue than with the bigger aspect of his stories. He also likes to kill off characters that mean a lot to the audience out of some sense of sadism.
But Sanctuary was not the last time Buffy and Angel saw each other. In the very next episode of Buffy (The Yoko Factor) Angel came to Sunnydale to apologize and ended up getting into a fight with Riley. Remember?
Buffy's version of 'The Monkey's paw''
Dammit Domi, you made me cry 😔🙂
aw i’m sorry 😢❤ sending hugs!!!
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The sorrow is so immense, so real, at least for me, it becomes perfect and beautiful- I have watched The Body maybe 40 times, cried each time, but each time the sorrow was so immense and so real, that it continues to be perfect and beautiful.
The Giles part wasn't about him drinking. He was listening to the record him and Joyce listened to in Band Candy.
My Mom passed at the end of June, shockingly, I had no idea she was ill. I watched this episode before I watched The Body, because The Body is so stagnate and this episode has a bit more to offer when I needed it. My big brother handled a lot of the ins and outs of my parents death, thank you Tony, love you. But I watched this to see a glimpse of what he was dealing with. Sarah really carries how it is to be the older sibling with a loss. When Dawn says "cleaning up Mom's mess" I felt that, deep this time. I am so grateful for good art like this, what would we do without it?
I watched this when it aired. Multiple rewatches over the years. It wrecks me EVERYTIME! 😭😭
4:48 - "Please, no more crying. This episode cannot make me cry. Please"
Wish gran ... er, completely ignored and trampled on.
This episode is so good. Marti Noxon can be such an amazing writer/director (...on the right show). This one stuck with me after seeing it the first time. I mean, that ending ... heavy. What-if?
No more crying. This is Buffy; also the Weevil Genius of Pain, we are talking about... Also, another episode of Willow gets away with stuff and everyone forgives her, kerk
Domi, no matter how down you feel, always ask yourself "...what would Buffy do..." ~ Xander.
Yeah... everybody gangsta until Angel shows up. then it's purely bawling your eyes out.
"no more crying" oh u poor soul
Domi loses it, I lose it. I'm going to be a wreck in the weeks to come. Thank you for this ride, D.
Yeah, I'll buy that. A lot of fans were disappointed with it when it aired but I've always loved it. It's got a lot of heavy lifting to do after the last episode and I think it does pretty well.
When Angel came to buffy that felt like a hug 🫂 from us to Buffy that Buffy isn’t alone through Angel from us
"It cant get worse than that"
NEVER say that about any show lolol
So you're assuming there's some kind of a link between Ben and Glory? That's a fascinating thought... 🤔
Don't know if you spotted it, but when Giles was at home drinking he was listening to the song he and Joyce were in the episode "Band Candy".
Before the episode begins: "The worst is behind us"... Riiiiiiiight 😅 I swear Domi just loves to jinx it all 😂
This episode might be worse emotionally than the previous. It's when you come down from the surreal, almost make-believe quality of when it first happens to the reality of truly knowing it's done and there's no going back. You can't wrap your head around it at first so it almost doesn't feel real. I think that's why we came up with funerals and burial, despite how awful it is. You need to get out of that surreal feeling in order to start fully grieving and being able to move on.
We all know why we're here. We wanted to see domi cry. Trust us. In 20 years from now, your random thoughts would lead you to these 2 episodes, and you'll cry on spot.
Nice to see that you care about "Buffy" as much as I do. I cried too.
And you thought The Body was the tearjerker!
Be careful about what you wish for in this show.... you said you didn't feel like having a 'monster of the week' ep, but dealing with the grief and loss.. and there you are! and yes, we didn't know we still needed some more Bangel, but Joss knew
"It can't get worse than that." .... "You know this is your fault for saying that." .... 😭
That plaintive "Mommy" gets me every time.
THIS is the episode SMG was robbed at the Emmys for.
at the funeral it hits different with the music... seeing spike makes us realize that even evil people miss those that leave us... even if you are dead or not... they arent here... and you feel that..
Domi be like “this episode can’t make me cry today” and I’m all “I’ll take that bet”
The album Giles was listening to was the one that Joyce and him listened to in the episode Band candy.
15:38 That the song that Giles was listening to with Joyce in the episode Band Candy.
28:56 That wasn't there last interaction, After that Angel came to Sunnydale to apologize. He then beat up Riley but he tried.
21:37 Why..... WHY I'M CAN'T BE HERE AND HUG THEM AND MAKE THEM CRY ON MY SHOULDER?!
Yeah, The Body is one of the emotional tv shows of all time. It's a (brutal) masterpiece.
Holy cow I watched so many you made me cry the way you cried 😢😵💫
Honestly, I’m not a Bangel shipper or really an Angel fan… but I have to say that the intimate moment they share in ‘Forever’ has got to be one of the greatest character interactions with another character there is. It details so much about Buffy and Angel and why they actually would have worked so much better as a couple when Buffy was not a minor. When they were both consenting adults and not obsessed with the “love conquers all” passion and urgency of true love. It’s by far my favourite Bangel moment - although I do have to say that, for me, a lot of Bangel moments are not comfortable for me to watch or even think about. They’re on a level playing field. Buffy now knows so much about herself as a person and as a Slayer. Angel has come to the understanding that while Buffy will always be his true love,… he doesn’t need to have her constantly in his life for him to be either a person and hero in his own right. Both of them are not in the best place either emotionally or mentally, - but they’re also not dependent on each other for their sense of happiness (or fulfilment I guess in Angel’s case since he isn’t allowed to feel happy or his soul goes bye-bye) They’re needy but they’re not desperate. It’s not a “oh the sky will fall if I can’t be with you” scenario. They’ve accepted their unfortunate circumstances to the point where it would actually be healthy for them to be together (sans the loss of a soul situation) rather than destructive. And they can now be there for each other in a way that actually feels necessary for them. It’s a wonderful little scene that makes you see the amazing growth in maturity for the both of them. And I can always appreciate that in a romantic relationship even if I’m not necessarily a supporter of it being one.
It’s kind of ironic that I love, appreciate and support Buffy and Angel being friends and confidants more than lovers when it’s that very thing that actually makes me see how their love can benefit them rather than be a detriment to and destroy them. But then I’ve always been a believer that true love is friendship on fire rather than a naive obsessive romance where the individuals in it can’t grow from and through it.
This moment right here is absolutely glorious. This is the beauty of love when it’s based in mutual trust and respect and understanding. When it’s fully matured.
Agreed. This was not as powerful as The Body. But it is, in my opinion, equally good. And thanks for the three years!
We are never seen if joyce returned good or changed
I think this is the most beautiful episode.
The choice not to show zombie Joyce was very important. Nobody wants to remember Joyce that way.
As tough as it was to watch "The Body", "Forever" was almost as bad. The aftermath of something like this is so much. I've seen both episodes many times & I cry at both every time.
Well, best ending is still the one of Five by Five (not only of the Buffyverse, but of anything ever put on any screen).
The scene in the police station was not the last meeting of Bangel before, The Yoko Factor - i think it's 4x20 - was it.
I still think they did a shitty job on Hank Summer, the behavior in S5 doesn't match with the man we have seen earlier in the show.
Oh, and Giles: I'm not sure, but i think what he is listening to it's the same song he and Joyce listened to in Band Candy too.
this episode hurts me more than The Body for some reason..
It's the creepy music that they use for resurrection spells in this season that gets me.
Posting my BUFFY REWATCH recap for ‘Forever’. May contain spoilers.
This scene is very interesting to me because it shows with perfect clarity why Willow needs a grounding influence in Tara. Here Willow doesn’t understand why what Dawn is suggesting (resurrecting Joyce from the grave) is wrong. Tara is the one who explains why instead of Willow. You can see that Willow tries to step into the conversation and explain to Dawn but because she doesn’t get it herself, she’s not making the right points. Willow is usually the person you can ask questions to and she’ll answer as best she can. But when it comes to use of magic - doing spells to make something happen or change something - she isn’t the person to seek advice from given her own questionable and quickly evolving abusive relationship with magic. But Tara is. Tara keeps Willow on the straight and narrow. She is her moral compass. And if Tara had known that Willow purposefully gave Dawn the History of Witchcraft book, she would have immediately taken it back because she knew Dawn wasn’t playing around. She was upset and she was serious about bringing Joyce back to life. Willow wanted to help “answer some of her questions”, and I’m sure that intention was true, but she didn’t realize that Dawn would take it further than that. That all she would need to do is seek out the right person that will help her perform the spell.
At this point Willow is only refraining from abusing the Magicks because of Tara. Because she knows Tara would disagree and would stop her. Not because she knows it’s wrong to do so herself. She knows it’s dangerous. But she doesn’t know it’s wrong to do it. Tara has to constantly remind her why and how it is. This level of monitoring could be seen as a controlling method out of lack of trust or faith in her partner, if it weren’t for the fact that Willow needs to be monitored. Sure, at this point in the show, it doesn’t look like she could do any damage and therefore monitoring her use of magic wouldn’t be necessary. But that’s not the issue. It’s not when/where or how much/little she uses magic that’s the issue. It’s that Willow DOESN’T UNDERSTAND why/how it is WRONG to use it for personal gain, for frivolous reasons, and to alter the natural order of things. This is one of the many scenes that shows you why it’s so much more dangerous for Willow to use magic than anyone else. It’s the psychological aspect of it. It’s that in her mind, it’s not wrong, and so there will be no handbrakes on that ride down that rocky mountain.
Subtext:
Willow: "I can, therefore why shouldn't I?"
Tara: "Because magic has repercussions, it is seriously dangerous and always comes at a price."
Willow: "But it's easy, I use it all the time and nothing bad happens..."
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Ignores and disregards risks and consequences.
Ignores and disregards the laws of nature.
Ignores and disregards consent.
For a smart girl she’s absolutely braindead when it comes to this subject. But that’s just what the themes of power corruption and addiction does.
Hi Domi! Have you considered watching Anne with an E? Three seasons, great acting, and amazing production value. I think you'd really enjoy it. :) Also, RIP Joyce...
Just finished watching that. It was so fantastic! I have a lot of meta on it on my Tumblr. It was extremely well written.
... Wow, with Giles, too- forshadowing. Domi sees all....
this episode is heartbreaking :(
The shows still have cross overs from time to time. Usually at major events. They are still in the same universe, after all.
39:45 I think the things you need to understand is that 1. Spike is not an adult. He is a vampire and that means he in many ways has the self centeredness and she sightedness of a child.
2. Spike is himself undead. He is a thing like what Joyce would have become, risen from the grave. As such he doesn't think of that as being that bad.
anyone else feel bad for the gora demon, it lost two eggs, babies
The fives stages of grief aren't real.
"Criticisms of this five-stage model of grief center mainly on a lack of empirical research and empirical evidence supporting the stages as described by Kübler-Ross and, to the contrary, empirical support for other modes of the expression of grief. "
Yea…. Maybe wait till the next one
The post-funeral Xander/Anya scene made a big impression on me. Anya was a character I had a hard time warming to (a rare thing for me on this show), but her speech here is really beautiful. And I loved Xander's reaction, as if it's finally sinking in to him "this girl is something special." My feeling, too. 🥰
Buffy won't teach Ben how to kill, but Giles will! Lol! IYKYK
Did you recognize the song Giles was listening to?
A word that I've found useful when "like" doesn't cut it is "appreciate". I appreciate _The Body_ as one of the best episodes of any show I've watched, ever.
I often use _appreciate_ about villains. I don't _like_ the Master, or Angelus, or the Mayor, or Glorificus. Or Spike, mostly (well, sometimes). We're not _supposed_ to like them. They're evil characters, and we should never aspire to be like them in any way. However, we can find them interesting, compelling, and satisfying. We can like how well written they are, or how their rationale for doing the evil they do seems so logical, from a certain point of view, and how we have to reach into our humanity to say, "But what they're doing is wrong. It's evil. And we _should_ be rooting for their defeat and/or demise." And if it weren't fiction, hopefully we would.
I've been using _appreciate_ quite a bit this week, but that's not for this forum.
17:03 knowing you will have seen the season 5 finale by now, I always kick myself for not realizing at the time that this guy would return. You don't cast Joel Grey for such a seemingly small part
8:45 It hurts. I'm sorry.