Hope you all enjoy this video, and able to learn something new from it :) If you like what I do, feel free to like and subscribe, comment if you had something in your mind. I spend quite the time on this video, and it is seriously one of my most intense project up to date. (3500+ word eassy level of yapping lmao) This is a semi-response to Malurth's video - "You're playing Rhino wrong (and he is better than you think)" Watch here: th-cam.com/video/CVadX2MKIU8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=n9rz2tMYQxlAtNDQ
Man, finally someone speaks up for Rhino again. Do me a favour: make Apocryphate know this. He made the Rhino vid that made me love Rhino. Just watch 'hardcore endgame rhino' by him from years ago.
well this is a new one...just stumbled across this today after peeping your Melee Afflictions vid and checking what else was on the channel lol. didn't think I'd cross "get response vid'd" off the bucket list so quickly. neat guess I'll respond a lil too... 4:13 well, if I actually bullet pointed them out like that, I'd probably do it more like "1. Iron skin provides nigh invincibility with zero build-around, 2. he has innate access to unnerfed Roar 2a. (freeing up a subsume slot) 3. can use that freed slot to make the Nourish + Roar combo, which is particularly potent" but close enough 5:00 I'm pretty sure a little parkour speed (praedos) + amalgam barrel diffusion would let me get around at around the same speed if not faster, without expending energy, tbh. it is technically useful as a movement ability, sure, but it's a super clunky one. void sling probably faster too. 6:12 also pretty sure I didn't call him a jack of all trades, he's mostly just a strong weapons platform in my book 7:24 BANGER 9:41 I mean I wasn't trying to detail every little good thing about rhino, just the broad strokes. and having some alternate nuke builds that don't impress compared to other frames isn't really a selling point in my book tbh. kind of surprised you didn't mention reave rhino if you were going this angle. but valid take, sure, you can play him in other ways too, which is also a point in his favor. the CC stomp build is pretty good for some tasks like interception as you showed too, granted. 10:50 first point was more about (allegedly) not being able to survive into level cap cuz (allegedly) even big overguard numbers get shredded by high level enemies, less about frequency of breaks, but the other two are spot-on 12:15 that's really not what I said, I said that's the baseline minimum you can expect into heavy damage if you just react to shield breaks by recasting and going about your business. I then point out that if you just sit there like a sitting duck during the 3 seconds and then start jumping around once the invuln period expires you can greatly extend this duration. so I'm not really sure why you're acting as if I didn't go over that. 12:36 hard disagree, deliberately sitting there for the 3 seconds is a choice, and one I often choose to skip. the only reason to sit there is to get a bigger overguard number, and the only reason to do that is to reduce your frequency of iron skin breaks, and the only reason to do that is either to ease your energy concerns or simply your need to press 2 as often. provided you have a good enough energy economy (another reason I use Nourish) and you trust in your reaction speed/aren't annoyed by having to press 2 at most once every 6 seconds, standing still on breaks often starts to just seem like a waste of time. the main exception to this is the new jade eximus lasers, which is an "ooh, free overguard!" signal for Rhino now. 13:47 pretty sure I at least briefly touched on how stomp also helps your defense and thus can extend your iron skin duration, and one of my points is that stomp is an actually useful ability at least, unlike charge (sorry still team rhino charge sux lol). but also as shown in the demo part of my vid, it really only shines contextually; I only use it accidentally in that run, because there's not really a point when zoom and boom gets the job done alone (why CC when I can instead kill?). ofc it's quite handy when you need to defend something or the situation is just getting too out of control for your tastes (and reinforcing stomp is neato) 22:22 yeah I only used blues cuz blues barely get a use and I'm swimming in them, and they're still solid. I would rather use strength shards. and as I explained in the vid, casting speed for iron skin is unnecessary if you have an augur mod, as the tiny shield gained will cover your cast time with a shield gate every time (assuming no Zenurik Inner Might/Mystic Bond proc) 22:42 disagreed...piercing roar and reinforcing stomp are nice to haves, usually, not better. more strength in my book. but I suppose that's augments done right when they're strong but optional picks, cheers devs. 22:55 perhaps for some weapons, but certainly not for all; in my demo I'm using a Tenet Envoy, which really doesn't care about viral weighting and would be happy to be 100% viral. and I'm gonna need to see some math before I take a "don't go over ~333-400%" advice. you're scaling roar damage too, so it's usually worth. also tempest barrage is very questionable in my book, either you constantly need to cast to debuff (pain in the ass, slows you down, energy drain) or you don't bother and kill enemies without it, in which case it's dead. much rather just have an always-on buff that also restores my energy and is given to all my nearby allies too. 23:16 lol this a review now? didn't see that one coming. I guess that's a pretty good score I'll take it overall neat video. I expected to be disagreed with more, you were mostly agreeing with me lol. but yeah you added some good takes/info for the most part, was mostly nodding the whole time (catJAMing at one point). only take I really disagree with is "if you don't stand dead still for 3s after casting iron skin, you're bad and should feel bad," otherwise +1. thx for the vid :p
Tbh, a lot of points here all comes down to "agree to disagree aka opinions" moment, I prefer to not debate on those. Reave Rhino: Is not that I did not mention, I have a video of it. You need 410 str for this to work without primers and oneshot anyone except acolytes at a press of a button, which is also fantastic for "eximus disappear from your screen, overguard is a joke" button, but not exactly a nuke I am very fond of. It scales insanely well, but outshined at low levels and the investment-to-power ratio is not quite there, unfortunately. video here lol if you care: th-cam.com/video/w-9GZksL0xA/w-d-xo.html You do said "I then point out that if you just sit there like a sitting duck during the 3 seconds and then start jumping around once the invuln period expires you can greatly extend this duration." in your video, I just give a brief stroke over it with "movements" iirc. 333-400: Roar is higher, yes, but again, if there is lesser DoT, you are still self-sabotaging, not optimal in any shape of form and 100% viral kind of suck for direct hit weapons but again, human opinions moment. I don't like the "more str is more str" build, I am just the casual balanced, practicality and utility over strength build enjoyer but whatever, any rhino build works anyway. That is why this nourish "nerf" is good for Rhino, but tbh: Wanna hear some controversial opinion? Tempest Barrage is the way better Nourish. Can help killing due to actually capable nuking, viral maxed in an instant, can give corrosive, can armor strip with shards, can provide some mild cc, and just make any DoT build shine that 95% of your weapon likes, especially the new blast where proc rate is extremely important. Nourish can't even max your viral proc fast without using beam weps, let alone provide corrosive, nuking and so on, and we are in an age where everyone already had their energy economy settled and need no nourish from their teammates, but again, my takes, and opinions. It is a pretty great score coming from me, if you want to be honest; you could say it is a high praise when I rate a lot of things a 5-6/10 aka so-so or good enough. Your take does cover the basics well and generally agreeable, which is not expected when my first impression of you is from your "not-so-agreeable-and-convincing" Sayrn hot takes... Just glad that you enjoyed the video.
@@amolistic_ fair enough, I didn't expect you to respond to everything in that wall of text lol. but just to close out my thoughts, now that you've responded: - yeh I don't think reave rev is particularly good either. just thought we were out here naming notable interesting off-builds for him. - @333-400%: still gonna need some math there homie, until further notice this is an agree to disagree too. recall also that things like hunter munitions don't care at all about elemental weightings and will care a lot more about a buffed Roar%. sure I can imagine there's some points at which like, a heat status app weapon would prefer lower Str, but that seems very edge case, and again, needs math to verify (a linear decrease in desired proc rate would theoretically be less impactful than an quadratic increase in DoT damage; even if there is a breakpoint where it gets worse, there should also be a breakpoint where it gets better again). - also still very much disagree with your tempest barrage take for the points already noted, and also the fact that Nourish energy regen absolutely should not be ignored (yes there are lots of ways to manage your energy...but having a 2-3x regen buff means you can drop those other ways and replace them with more power). also corrosive requires a mod slot, is largely irrelevant if you're relying on Slash DoTs for heavy lifting (they ignore armor), and can be achieved just through modding your weapon for it. also getting 10 stacks of viral isn't actually that big a deal, as I'm sure you know 1x gives +100% damage to health whereas each extra stack is only +25%. ofc +325% is better than +100% but you only get that if you're willing to run around spamming a skill instead of shooting enemies; I imagine the sheer waste of time casting will often result in a lower kill speed anyway (note how enemies instantly disappear when I shoot them in my Rhino demo. tempest barrage would just slow me down and waste energy, outside of specific edge cases). and finally, my Saryn hot takes are excellent, thank you very much 🥳
Your dedication on Rhino is impressive and it's surely helpful. Getting to know the opinions of someone that explored a whole Warframe with simple-looking yet powerful interactions with the whole game mechanics is already great. My advice for you though is to not use this experience as a way to attack other players. I am absolutely convinced 99% of the Rhino players use the Warframe wrong because big funny numbers, but those people aren't even interested on building him correctly and watch these kind of videos. The few ones will just feel attacked by those statements and your effort will mean nothing at all. Half of this video is basically rhino flexing without any explanation at all, and of course I understand why. Rhino is way more complex than he looks because of his interactions with the whole game. Roar = faction damage = stupid math stuff going on behind every single iteration of damage even on abilities, which scales absurdly well with strength. How do you explain all the possibilities in one video? That's very hard, but 10+ minutes of saying rhino is a god and stupid people are playing it wrong could have been used better I think! Not even mentioning the baseline power of Iron Skin which requires basically no investment at all, or the special properties of Rhino stomp. All I'm saying is that most of the time, people spend their time trying to disprove other people's points. It takes at least twice the time and effort while you could just explain the stuff from your probably correct point of view without comparing it to others. Content like this tends to become way more streamlined and poof you now have the time to talk about all the possible interactions, even briefly, or shortly showcase different builds that work and why! I always neglected Rhino, never got interested in it. At some point I just said let's delve into his mechanics, without watching any videos about him at all. All I knew about him was that Stomp could almost freeze any enemy including Eximus and Acolytes, Roar is scaling faction damage, and of course Iron Skin. Here's what I learnt just by reading the abilities on the wiki: 1) Iron Skin at the very bare minimum is around 5.1 seconds of invulnerability. 3 seconds from the invincibility period, 0.5 seconds of overguardgate, plus the shieldgate period of around 1.67 seconds with his 550 shields. Any Warframe could get basically invincible with this type of ability, no reason to invest on giga iron skin builds other than just increasing strength! Funny big numbers aren't that funny anymore. 2) Roar is insane and subsuming damaging abilities is even more absurd, of course. Piercing Roar is incredibly nice as an augment, even solely for QoL, because it lets you recast Roar which is already valuable. Puncture procs making enemies overall weaker in terms of HP and damage, minor yet useful crowd control, and the interaction with stomp is so simple yet so strong. I didn't have 2500 hours of Rhino experience but I know the general math of the game which means I already know how powerful Rhino is, and how misunderstood he is. Of course you're going to be better at Rhino than me, even correct some of my points here, but you basically just need an open yet informed mind to see his true strength. No point in disproving blatantly wrong points, it's just a waste of time that doesn't even get the job done! Good video anyway. The concept of this is that you have clearly invested a lot of time on Rhino so I just need to see images of those builds in action to see that they work great and why.
About the "attack" thing: while I am also convinced that most of them knew what they want, but I am just stating the plain truth. I might sound harsh, but it is the truth I saw within the players. I state what I saw. I can't make myself sugarcoat that truth and make it seem "harmless". I am not using my experience as there is no point, I am just pointing out how awfully bad the commonly used setup aka recasting method or iron skin setup really is, that ruins everything good about him, the TH-camrs who didn't know how to even play him, to make use of his potential. I am very sorry if it sounds terribly harsh, but unfortunately, that is what I saw. About the flexing: Why I need to flex, if my intention is to flex? There is no point of flex, for the sake of flexing. This video only serves to extend the points of Malurth further, I don't even have any intention to flex at all... If it is about that part: I just want to set the record straight, because I need to prove myself worthy, thus the title: "why am I qualified", and that small text below. The point of it is just to make myself sound believable. Half of the video of me flexing? Are you sure you get the right context behind it? The point is not even flexing. I already said it at the very beginning, I highly recommend you give the video of Malurth a watch, or you might not know what I am talking about. "Why rhino is cracked" This is the part where Malurth starts his video with. That's why I highly advice all of you to watch the video first. I only extend his point further. THIS IS THE EXACT REASON, MY GUY...I SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT PLEASE WATCH THE VIDEO FIRST. I even call this a RESPONSE video, and just a semi-guide. I might have poor English, but this means that this is a "half guide". You take this as a flex of mine proves to me that you don't have the right context behind to know what I mean, if you want me to be very honest and candid with you... this was never meant to be a true rhino guide that tells you everything that I know. That's on my 10k+ word essay for it, that I show all my secrets to all of you. This entire video is to serve the purpose of extending the points of Malurth further. This is the point, this is a response video, not a guide for Rhino, all the information that normally appears in a guide is just for supportive purpose, in this video. About your first point: Bare minimum? Yes. But still, I have suggested ways you can make use of it, it is not a true 3+3s like Malurth said. I even mention the methods you can prolong that period, and push it way past what a maximum Mesmer skin cannot provide, but you need to work for it, it's not free. "Unlike Revenant, Rhino demands your understanding and your engagement with his kit." And I proceed to explain all of it, just to make my point across, that misunderstanding that Malurth stated in his video. About your second point: Though I would agree recastable Roar is valuable, but the purpose of you using piercing roar, is everything but recast. I have written a community post about it, if you had the time, please have a read. th-cam.com/users/postUgkxSZRJauh4HxgULYXZHxdDpvPr9_VgcANA?si=UVaiqFC9Gt-zRERx Though it seems that there is no point disproving blantantly wrong points and it seems to be a waste of time, but at least, imo, I need to set things straight, even if I get hated from it, I still need to.
minimum is actually 3.8333 seconds; fully broken shields take 4 seconds to begin regenerating, invuln + overguard gate only lasts 3.5s. it is actually entirely possible that you could come out of overguard gate with 0 shields remaining from a prior break, and have your health bar already exposed to damage (so technically the minimum is just 3.5s); this doesn't happen in practice because it always takes more than 0.1666s for your overguard to be depleted, though this is food for thought if you bring Rhino along to one of those +500% shield recharge delay EDAs. I usually prefer to factor in the scaled overguard and give it credit for at least another 3s of invuln, but it can vary.
@@Malurth I didn't take in account the fact that you could basically get swarmed by attacks and you may not have regenerated your shields already because of the delay.. If that's ever a problem you could just equip one of those shield recharge mods and only need 1 mod for survivability (which is already great compared to what other frames need to do). And it's not a problem at all because the 3.5s of invulnerabity + the actual time the enemy needs to deplete the overguard which scales on enemy damage (and basically lasts 3 seconds against the strongest enemies) already make up for it
@@KhristianBolano yeh, agreed. just pointing out the shield recharge delay definitely can come into play and reduce that number. but in effect it still works fine, worst case scenario you have a ~1s window to react and press 2 before your health bar becomes vulnerable, which is actually plenty.
i love rhino, cleared whole steel path with him, he makes it look like a joke, while having such simple tools he makes so much with them that even most avid wisp mainer can't dream of
Hi, Amolistic. I wanted to leave a criticizing comment to your video because there are some things you must hear/read from someone, otherwise you won't be able to improve. I tried my best to make this comment as short as possible, but there is only so much i can shorten to make my point. Sorry if this is still way too long. I'm not new to warframe, i don't have an interest in playing rhino, but i'm here because a friend of mine sent me your video asking if your videos are trustworthy (which he should be able to determine himself instead of asking me since i didn't even knew the channel, but i digress) Still, i came to see what you had to say, maybe learn something new about the frame. I know he's powerfull and even absurd if you consider how damn old his ability kit is, but i think you are embellishing the frame WAY too much, and seeing as this may be the first video some people will watch to actually know your channel, there are some things regarding your presentation that may give people the wrong impression about you. To start, from the prologue of the video you proceed on taking credit about many rhino sinergies and small contributions to other, more populars videos to "validate" who you are, to convince people that your info is not "made up" or clickbait material. I believe those contributions have been credited on their respective videos and that's fine, but it doesn't hit well when you self-credit them or the sinergies/strategies you talk about, such as thermal sunder roar. Actively taking credit and labelling it as an "Achievement" just gives a negative impression about your ego, not confidence about what you're about to teach. Those kinds of things are best left for other people to tell, so let them credit you for it instead of doing it yourself. It is clear you judge the general rhino player because they play it wrong , and judging is okay, i'm aware most people play their warframes sometimes as mediocre as possible, but man, you go so far as to say "a video of me shitting on all those who plays rhino in such a bad way that this peak meme video of mine is doing better than it". That goes beyond criticism, that's just plain hating. Maybe i'm the one who is new to the channel and doesn't get the joke, but that kind of treatment won't help people play rhino better, it sounds like you're about to show that YOU play him better than others, not HOW others should play him. Part of mainly playing one singular warframe involves knowing his strengths, his weaknesses, then boosting his strengths and compensating for his weaknesses. When you talk about iron charge, you are trying to boost his weaknesses. This is the part of the video where i became aware of your bias towards Rhino. When you say Rhino Charge serves as a *speedrunning* ability, that's just misleading. Rhino Charge is clanky, goes just a few meters and uses up energy to do the exact same thing as bullet jumping and rolling, and your gameplay footage confirms that. If we take a moment to compare Rhino Charge to similar movement abilities like Tidal Surge, Vial Rush and Mach Rush, we can see how pitiful rhino charge mobility is. All abilities mentioned plus just basic parkour is faster and more controllable than rhino charge (well, tidal surge technically is just as clanky, but it's faster and goes 3x times farther), and only Mach Rush deserves that kind of credit due to it not being a niche of the ability. That is it's actual function. While i'll won't mention every time this ocurred, as i continue to watch the video, there is a lot more embellishment and bias to make rhino's abilities look like they are a lot more than they really are. I mean, am i really supposed to give Piercing Roar any kind of value just cus it reduces the dmg caused by already CC'd mobs? I believe you are a Rhino veteran and tries to push him to his absolute limits, but those limits sometimes go beyond the relevance barrier. There is a lot of knowledge incorporated on this video, sure, but the way you comunicate that to me makes me want to hear the info from someone else. By self-reflecting on that and putting personal bias aside, you have potential to be so much more successful on warframe content creation, and actualy changing how the community sees Rhino in a way that doesn't portraits him as just a new player friendly frame. I truly wish you well and hope to see your channel grow exponentially over time.
Thank you, I will take my time and have a read, its fine, you can keep it long, I have get used to reading long essays, as I always type essays like its nothing, no need to worry. Embellishing: Hmmmm...though I cannot 100% confirm that I am embellishing the frame way too much, but things I said in the video are tried and true, as embellishing (adding details that is not true) is just as good as spreading misinformation, and Rhino has a lot of misinformation around him already, I come to clear his name, not making it worse...I do try my best to make the chance of spreading misinformation minimal, or zero, but this doesn't mean that I am 1000% not susceptible to it. Thank you for pointing it out, will take this into consideration. That part of the video: Thinking about that self-crediting or the entire part, though I have no ill-intention, and I try my best to show as little as I can and try to downplay my achievements subtly and what I state is as truthful as I can be, it might sound ego but...the purpose of it was never about ego. Including that thermal roar part, it is not me self-crediting, I am just sublty saying that "If you want to mess with me, come f*** around and find out, don't try to play with me when it comes to Rhino's knowledge." It is served to be a self-protect mechanism as I had saw hateful comments from Malurth's video (video that I respond to). I don't want to be the next one. If I say that out loud, I am just asking for even more hateful commenters to attack me. To prevent this as much as possible, this was made to chase off those who had the guts to mess with me (I had been in situations like this a lot already, and this is more prevalent as warframe community can be a little bit...hostile, at times when videos like these pops up) as much as possible, but this comes with the exchange that I might sound egotistic, but that is a small price to pay for my sanity to keep this going. It is expected, and you are the 2nd person who told me this, which is...way less than I thought. I'm sorry that you feel it this way but hope that this section can provide the context you need. general rhino player things, about that hp tank part: Thinking about it again...I was being way too straightforward, and I generally don't hold myself back when I say something like this, due to me being an extremely blunt person. Maybe it can because the part of that is just to diss those who said, "omg iron skin huge number is the only METAHHHH", "your rhino is not played at the 'optimal level", how can you survive"... I do not come to hate, it is just me dissing and debunk all those comments with actual proof. But come to think of it, yeah if you can feel like this, I think I do not provide ample context for it, I know why I say this, but if people like you who are first to my channel or you are not me at all, you are bound to have zero context. My bad, I will try to provide more context to my words next time and not suffer the consequences of needing a long essay after essay to explain the context. Though the most important part is that this video is not a guide, it's a response video at core, this video is not what a proper guide should be in my eyes, and it is not up to my standards, if you want me to be real with you. Conclusion: Yeah...after reading your comments further, I think it all comes down to one problem: lack of context/meaning in my words behind, and I expect all of you to understand what I mean, and thus it makes you feel like I am just embellishing, you don't have any context for the meaning behind my words, and it makes my word feel like personal biases of mine because I like this frame. And because it was forced to be a response video, a lot of details that I need to dismiss to keep the video short. Rhino is not without weaknesses and learning curve. I might seem to be very good at it, but I forgot to state that it took some understanding to get there...and learning it is not some "day 1 revenant press button" kind of thing. At the very last part of the video, which I briefly mention the making of the guide that is over 10k words that is still in the writing, Rhino charge takes 7 page out of the 38 (start from 11 to 17 ) to detail the good and bad, which I unfortunately cannot fit in, and become something like this. This includes all other rhino's abilities that I had to dismiss so many details and context to not make this video take months to even complete, and not to mention that I expect people to understand the full context without even providing the context that is way too long, which doesn't help at all, and seeing that this is what you feel in the video, I realize that the context, despite too overly long, should not be dismissed for an easier time to make this completed (and even then, this take me two weeks to finish...). I think I am too overly focused on the point that "I need to understand the meaning behind the video and know what I am saying" but simultaneously forgot that other people do not have my understanding and thoughts to even understand those meanings behind, and thus causing those thoughts of yours to happen. Thank you for your wishes and this extremely useful criticism. It will help me tremendously in future content creation.
12:04 is what i really enjoy about this frame. The skill issue in this ability alone is enough to make his other abilities and weapons modded for utility over damage shine.kinda reminds me of the old shield gating also where your health bar would be greyed out.truly a fun and engaging mechanic overall of the warframe experience
I never went out of my way to get a second Rhino after subsuming him since I kinda just expected him to play like Revenant, who literally puts me to sleep while playing. However, affter this video I'm certainly interested in getting him, especially after the portfolio of yours at the beginning showcasing how many ways you can effectively play Rhino without overinvesting
As a mag main, I understand how it feels for people to not understand. its only recently people started to get my main and even then there are still some aspects people don't get. I feel your pain
Mistakes in vid regarding other frames: Only one, Volt as jack of all trades. Big problem keeping him alive WHILE moving. Yareli is better than him even from just a start. Rn only yareli and octavia should be considerated as jack of all trades. (before overguard and yareli relase, it was rhino when solo playing and octavia if in party).
@@amolistic_ volt can do three out of four: buffs, crowd control and damage. He doesn't help anyone with survivability. If he at least was easier to survive while using him, then he can revive whole team, so it would count as helping with survivabilty.
11:48 LMFAO i love getting half a mill ironskin with the jade eximus, it's pretty consistent imo, to be honest that single eximus has greatly increased my enjoyment of the frame. I know I don't need to do that but big number fun. Great video! I did notice how easy to mod rhino was, but I didn't put 2 and 2 together that it was because he's already super good without them lol.
Agree, though Jade light eximus helps a lot, but I will still suggest you learn the proper way, as jade light doesn't appear much, and that's where my point of "inconsistency" comes from. At least that's my point of view, but if it works for you and it increases your enjoyment of Rhino, it is good enough, in my book.
Hi! I just have a quick question from a fledging Rhino player, why is it important to go for super-efficient use for Iron Skin if you can just cast it again? Doesn't the shield gating, plus that over guard gating thing give you ample time to just cast it again? I noticed when my shield breaks there is a highly noticeable screen effect, so just pressing 3 when you see the red flash should be enough to keep me alive no? So far thats what I experienced atleast, or did I land on a trap of sorts? I use a slightly more modified version of Malurth's build, and I haven't run into issues thanks to nourish and energy nexus giving me backup energy and battery giving me a higher storage of it. Why exactly an efficient iron skin per cast is needed if you can just keep casting through the gating? Is there something Im missing? Cheers! Edit: Oh wait, was that just to prove I dont need augments or a hyper specific mod set to get high numbers? If thats the case I think I can practice that and get good at it, but Id still like to know if theres merit in casting during gating or if its a bad idea. Cheers again!
-Piercing roar, gives enemies 5 puncture procs. -5 puncture procs boosts crit chance by 25% and gives 80% damage reduction. That 80% dmg reduction with Overguard is miles above revenant. I tested it and even with 10k Overguard on lvl 200 so feels like I got at leave 200k-300k Overguard.
Seems like you play Rhino the way I play Frost. I've got 4 of him with different polarities and builds just because he is so flexible. Also, Rhino AND Frost both have the same energy max of 150, so not the lowest, more so tied.
my favorite build is literally rhino with all the speed mods on him. rhino is pretty much the go anywhere do anything frame. I am almost certain this is why he is the second frame you get back in the day his kit is almost tailor made to complete the star chart with very little mods.
I didn’t get a chance to ask when I saw this video the first time, but what build did you use for the Piercing Roar showcase that had 235 range? And would you recommend a Piercing Roar build or a Gloom one in terms of which one has better CC? Does Piercing Roar scale with range? And out of curiosity, with a Piercing Roar setup opening enemies up to ground finishers, would this also make it worth using Melee Crescendo? Appreciate the video!
I do try it out before, pretty insane. You can pair it with something like aquablades (or any ability/weapon that has a DoT) for maximum area destruction due to massive slash with surging blades + Roar + Mecha set and its interaction with Roar.
@@amolistic_ brother you are not A rhino main you are THE rhino main bro i found this video yesterday and im excited to see what else can rhino do that i may not know about
One wise streamer once said "the only way to play a game wrong is if you are not having fun" With that in mind there are sure different and more or less optimal ways to play any frame, but going for those millions of points worth of iron skin is not inherently wrong. It is wrong for me, I just feel my brain always rotting away when the gameplay is hunting for some rare achievement instead of playing the game normally, but some people like to try to cluster up 15 enemies in a doorway and pull the whole konami cheatcode of interactions to get that 85 million iron skin without ever absording any damage into it. Not me, the only rhino build I have is like 8 years old, from a time long since forgotten when I solo farmed credits in the index. Sure I had the charge and iron skin augments there, the build used to have 2 energizes as well so I could barely cast one roar after collecting energy orb. And even back then I hated rhino, but he waa the best frame to consistently do solo index. If I had a friend I just straight out picked valkyr, that friend of mine played nova and we farmed prodman posters.
Great video! Rhino was already S++ tier but after jade shadows with the arcane battery & jade eximus beam (for free 5.9mil iron skin) I think he needs another + at the end.😂
My biggest problem with this video is the fact that you often let the ego do the talking. Other parts were great but throughout the video you kept saying things like "most rhino players are bad rhino players" or "most rhino guides are from people who lack understanding" which are such bold statements to say. Rhino could be built however the builders want, just because someone's build is different from yours doesn't mean it's worse, it's just different. Like you said, if it works then it works. They could be building for parasitic armor, high strength for roar, or stacking augments for big iron skin off the bat and there's nothing wrong with that. The guides on youtube aren't bad either unless you're generalizing and talking about the ones with super low view count. Me personally, I've played this game right after the juvian concord update and have been using wisp ever since. Just because i've had 3.5k hours on wisp doesn't mean my words are gospel. People could be building for sol gate, for max str, for max range or whatever and all of that wouldn't the wrong way to build wisp because there is no right way to build wisp, or rhino, or any frame. That's why I really squint my eyes everytime you act superior to other rhino players. Now I'm not questioning your experience and knowledge on rhino, I know you are more qualified than many other players but you didn't have to drag other players down. Hell I don't see KMF dogging on other saryn players just because he got an "optimal" build. Just what I think after watching the video
This sounds ego to you? This isn't even about ego anymore; I am heavily saddened by it. You can even say that I am mad and sad about it. "You think I am joking? No. Not at all. It is saddening." Understand the context behind. Who wants to even state that they are saddened? You think it is for funnies? Stating such truth takes immense courage, because people will hate me. And it seems that this video has garnered a lot of hate, as I expected. The way people play Rhino that wastes all his potential and still do that bad setup and states why he is so bad and need augments, complain and complain, and state that he is an old a** frame that needs rework, has the audacity to say that why should I even do the proper method and just do that recasting and proceed to show me bad builds that wastes his potential, and still act like they knew everything when I try to spend my time, typing an easily well past 1k word essays after essays JUST FOR THEM, just to educate them on a better way, wasting my PRECIOUS time, just to selflessly share my secrets. I bet you already knew me somewhere, as long as that video has Rhino and some form of guide in it, you are almost guaranteed to see me there, leaving a very long essay that shares all the correct information and try to correct the misinformation if it had. People knew me because of this. I am just this crazy. if people like me who are spending their time doing this tirelessly, are they just letting their ego do the talk? Ego was the last thing I should even remotely consider. I was trying to spread the correct information in a place that is filled with blatant misinformation that those few meta warframe youtubers that plays him wrongly, and causes such catastrophic problem where Rhino is barely understood past that point, and still, had to be hated because "my point is wrong because skin numbers big is guuuudddd" "You sounds like you are yapping" when I tried to correct them? Do you know what is the true "let the ego to do the talking"? Let me show you. I can simply state that: "if it wasn't NovaUmbral who was enlightened by me, the correct way of playing Rhino and flip his perception of Rhino by 180 degrees and make quite the phenomenal video about it aka 'Rhino is the most overpowered warframe' that corrects all of his old mistakes that is also one of the bad rhino guides, do you think that the overall rhino player will start to learn about Nourish Rhino, and choose to subsume over his 1 and that setup is no longer the "only build" of Rhino? I choose to be very humble with "I'm one of those behind" and across all of my stated achievements already, I can list more, or I can be very egotistical and say: "I was the prime reason why that video even exists. I was the main reason behind. Now you all know how to play Rhino close to something that is quite acceptable? A lot of the synergies that you all saw on Rhino? It was all my silent doings." Why flex all of this? If I didn't type this all out, you won't even know this.
Not a fan of this one. Most of the video is explaining the obvious, without touching on the complex parts. Iron skin breaks easily? Obviously not, I read the simple ability tips and it scales infinitely. Misunderstanding 2? refer to misunderstanding 1 Misunderstanding 5 (btw you labeled it as 4 in the video).... I got a streamline bro im good 3 is somewhat interesting but you gloss over why iron shrapnel is bad. "Why do you even need to recast iron skin for?" My hp is low, I have enough energy and time, I also anticipate being more busy (disruption and about to slot a key in) I trust your build/gameplay has an answer but I do not know. You also 100% gloss over reinforcing stomp by saying "Reinforcing stomp is just being reinforcing stomp. No explanation needed." I really need an explanation here because the mod description and wiki page make it sound worthless. Why would I want to restore ~24% of my iron skin by being forced to stomp rather than restoring ~100% by just casting iron skin again Another thing that needs more explanation is rhino stomp in general. Abilities that stop enemies from moving into your bullets are very frowned upon in defense, and most of the game in general. What is the secret sauce that makes this ability different and powerful. My instinct tells me to only use it as needed (low hp def objective) but recommending the stomp augment heavily goes against that. Alright enough from me im gonna go take a look at your void cascade run. cause i've been curious about that for a while
I would agree, I don't really get into the very deep ones, which is true, but my video this time is followed by what Malurth has stated and I just follow what he has started, as this is at heart, a response video, I would like to add more, but it should be kept as a "response" video at core, and information/guide as a support, thus "A response and a semi-guide". I know that it can be disappointing that this is not a very deep guide from someone like me, but response is response. I am sorry if you felt disappointed. I could explain Rhino's whole base kit to a very deep degree, but then this video will not be just 24mins, it will be over 1 to 1.5 hours or even more, and by that point, it defeats the purpose of this being a response video, I can make an extremely detailed guide with this already. Misunderstanding 1 and 2 is two whole different topic, my guy...how is it the same. But if you think so, then...I can't possibly comment on this. Iron Skin breaks easily: Iron skin does break easily, as it is a 1:1 enemy damage conversion and if you take that much damage, and do not execute any methods, it does break easily despite "infinite" scaling and that is the misconception many people had, thus I have suggested ways that you can prolong it... about that mislabel: my apologies, personal mishaps. Misunderstanding 5: "You can use max leveled arcane energize, equilibrium with panzer, or whatever." If streamline is fine for you, then it is good. 3: I do explain why the recast is not good, and state why iron shrapnel is not good. Why do you even recast for? Unless something like blitz or jade, but that is not something you should 100% rely on, or setups that you demand to uncast, or just wanting to nuke with it, you don't need recast. The purpose is so niche, that it should not be in your daily builds. I am sure that I had said this in "chapter 2.3.2". I stated the only good use cases of Iron Shrapnel to make my point across, but still, the only good use cases that warrant the use of it, are too niche. And thus, If your hp is low, you should ABSOLUTELY NOT recast, as you are wasting that precious 0.5s overguard gate that allows you to take no damage, I forgot to explain the "0.5s ironskin seamthough technique" with 37.5% casting speed, which is my bad, but even without it, you should not recast with iron shrapnel, as now you waste that 0.5s gate for nothing in return, and that 8m knockdown wave that might just ruined your potentially good skin setup. Reinforcing Stomp: I explained it before that part you mentioned, at 2.1. Since I had already explained, I do not want to repeat the same points at 2.3.2, and I just gloss over it later on, but anyways, I will do you a favor here: Reinforcing Stomp will replenish your lost skin health by each enemy you hit, which is that 4% stated on the stat screen. It is basically just 4% of your total skin hp per enemy hit by Rhino Stomp. Rhino Stomp: Did I not showcase the use of it...? I even show the actual footage of it. Why it is powerful, and the use of Reinforcing Stomp. I even explain why Rhino Stomp + Piercing Roar is so oppressive... Well yes, I agree, I could seriously do more, but remember...this is a response video, I could, but response comes first, guide/info is second. Rhino Stomp has way too many things to cover, and if I want to, I will do it all, at once. Frowned upon when used in defense or general missions? That is some "peak warframe brainrot" topics that covers way too many things and has too many nuances, and it is too subjective, best not discuss it here aka in this video, I feel like my video has caused enough controversy that I can deal with. like bro... you know, to this point, I feel like almost every point that I need to respond to you feels like it is something that I had already explained/debunked them in the video...like...I am just repeating myself, here... Can I be very, VERY honest with you? Did you...uhm...pay clear attention to what I say, or you just skip parts of the video?
@@amolistic_ I assume you're talking about rhino stomp around 9:09 . Yes this is a very good ability for this game mode. What about survival, omnia cascade, even in exterminate it seems niche. Maybe I just got the wrong idea of an ability that's frequently used when really its just a good ability when applicable. "Why do you even recast for? Unless something like blitz or jade, but that is not something you should 100% rely on, or setups that you demand to uncast, or just wanting to nuke with it, you don't need recast. The purpose is so niche, that it should not be in your daily builds." Yes you did say this but it does not address the common scenario laid out. The following statements about casting speed and 8m knockdown however does so thanks for the knowledge thanks for pointing out the reinforcing stomp info I missed. I understand the potential of the augment better now although needing to stomp and build range still seem like relevant downsides. Is reinforcing stomp not as universal as I interpreted? not sure what i'm missing
Fancy and well-designed chapter names are nice to have, I totally agree with you, but for a response video, I prefer straightforward points rather than memorable title names as it might not convey what I need to say in that section.
Flaws of rhino: 1st: the need of parrying crowd control with iron skin. Rhino was great before overguard was added . (now some mission can get up to 75-80% spawned enemies with overguard, u will stay ailve with iron skin but you will be rly slow and ineffcient with killing) 2nd flaw: 3sec wait time for iron skin minmax control. In normal mission when there are other players who nuke enemies you cant set yourself up properly (thats also why i stopped playing rhino way before overguard was added, it is a great solo frame, rly great, but falls off hard in party).
1st: parrying? wdym? Do you mean pairing or smth? Rhino can execute blocking with melee even in Iron Skin, yes, but I don't know what you want to express... Crowd control is just one part of the maintaining. Plus, Reinforcing still restores iron skin despite overguard. What the hell is inefficient killing lmao when roar + whatever buff you are rocking today exists... 2nd: if everyone was dying, then iron skin is not getting downed either, thus not needing to set it up either. How does anything hit you when everything didn't exist anymore, by the time rhino nukes by himself in squad, he doesn't even ask for proper iron skin setup either (ESO), where nukes are the strongest, is in a level where iron skin barely needs any setup anyway. Also: You typed this comment and tell me that you haven't play Rhino for like at least 1yr+...it makes your point look way less convincing than it should be, if you want very real feelings from me.
U won't die even with base iron skin 😂 just spam 2 when returning from operator to rhino and ur good plus roar best buff for allies and makes subsumed thermal sunder better than the original, would play rhino even if he only had iron skin
@@amolistic_ Thank you for fast response and sorry for my bad english typing and beeing late to answer. 1) Iron skin needs crowd control after 3sec tanking or reinforced stomp augment to keep it up. Even if you keep it up forever stomp is a rly slow casting abbility which also adds to the 2nd point that is: 2) Iron skin 3sec of tanking dmg on left alive enemies before attacking adds up rly quick. It slows your kills per min that is really important in few cases. I understand that i realy talk from my very niche point of view, that is speedruning disruptions (that is one of few activities i like). In 15 rounds i was close to 4 min slower on average in comparison when i tried using arcane guardian with adaptation on rhino and stopped casting iron skin.
@@beansdog7333 When i learned how to spawn predict enemies in warframe then i was better of with Crowd control after using iron skin cus i cast it as fast as i come near the group of enemies and near 2,5 seconds mark after using iron skin i cast 4th abb to cc them and kill without losing any iron skin % to keep it longer. Without this strat i was slower cus of need of either recasting iron skin or using stomp (with augment) a lot more frequently. It worked for me and if there is better option i would like to learn it and test it so im open to disscusion
Also what? Limbo and Octavia are the only ones that work modless??? Protea, banshee(she could use a helminth ability tho), gauss, harrow, inaros, Kora, mag, nezha, voruna, zephyr, and nidus can all do wonders even without mods honorary mentions for stynax, hyldryn and gyre who only really need one augment to be wicked strong :/ ...kulervo and caliban might be able to put in work but I don't have them yet, vauban, loki, mesa, and ivara are interesting and might need testing. not sure what limbo is doing modless it's rough out there without high range silence...
It depends on massive amount of situation. Modless means that the most important part of their power is still intact, even in situation like this, in Steel Path. I base my take on the degree of Steel Path. Limbo, Rhino, Octavia can work modless in Steel Path like it's nothing because they require very close to nothing, the rest you mentioned is not really. While they can work, but not so in Steel Path. No helminths, no augments, nothing. Just the frame on the get-go. Khora is just poopoo without exalted. Gauss is Nothing, no speed, no tank, buff and nuke is weak. Protea deals no damage with her turrets, energy economy without equilibrium on her is just "gg you know why". Banshee and Gyre just folds. Sty also can't withstand, no armor strip, not enough energy to even stay survivable and his nuke in this situation? Don't even imagine. All the frames you mentioned either needs so much more to even be serviceable or requires something. Only someone like hildryn or harrow can be serviceable. the hardcore limbo mains are built different, your typical limbos don't even know how to maneuver.
@amolistic_ I legitimately lvled protea and gauss in sp with no mods on them... gyre just needs her augment and a halfway decent weapon. Protea gets +100 strength every 4th cast, and her turrets scale with enemy numbers, and her 3 gives energy, and her 4 can both return that energy to her and revive her if something goes wrong. Banshee has a base 5x damage multiplier, which is better than roar, and her silence counters eximus abilities and stuns non eximus. Khora admittedly can be energy hungry but people regularly run her with - strength so I'd imagine 100% strength with a decent stat stick (should be allowed since I heavily doubt you meant modless weapons for rhino)
@@myramedchan4775 I understand, it's possible, but what I mean is the efficiency of such. I do understand a lot of frames are capable of modless, but to what extent is important. The aforementioned three frames can function like they have well equipped mods, they have tools that don't require mod scaling at all, or just being extremely low investment needed, the distance between their peak and bottom is the shortest of all frames. ... Modless Banshee wise, you still need way more tools that just brief stuns and damage, and without her augment resonance, the amount of your sonar casting can outright kill you in situations where you are stuck in the animation, and with not much range, sonar casting are bound to be way way more. For khora with that much casting, no mods, no helminths, khora can struggle a lot more due to her intense casting while being modless.
@amolistic_ I could make similar arguments for rhino. Like his overguard going down could run him out of energy, and his damage boost might not be enough at base for many weapons. His stomp doesn't have enough cc to justify the energy cost and his dash isn't worth it as bullet jumping will go farther. At the end of the day this is a power fantasy type of game and if running modless makes you feel powerful then go for it.
You need to keep these videos shorter. No point listing about your legitimizations for making a Rhino video I'm 4 and a half min in and there was no valuable info at all yet plus the jokes are honestly kinda mediocre Also I really don't understand .......... why you are making this point about Iron Charge. Even as a movement ability it is undoubtedly one of the worst in the game and as a speedrun ability it not only costs a lot of energy and is clunky, its still worse than good movement, as you demonstrate in the video by bumping into every wall. It just seems a little pretentious The video should've started at 7:07. That bit alone is a much better intro than whatever you did in the first 3 minutes. But at this point I'm kinda tired because you're seriously yapping and its exhausting. Also as a Rhino main I don't think your take on the Rhino augments is extreme enough. All Rhino augments are shit and not worth the modslot. All of them. Also you spend a lot of time talking about the augments and afterwards tell the audience that the augments are useless. And then you talk about the augments again, as if it matters. This whole sections is just so unstructured. Piercing Roar? You have Stomp. Reinforced Stomp? You can just recast, and your Iron Skin scales with levels anyway, plus has s. Both augments completely redundant by the press of a single button No offense meant, I'm trying to be constructive and I hope you don't take it badly. Your points are mostly valid but there is no way you need 24min to say that augments are useless, Roar is broken with status effect damage, and iron skin investment is useless if you just stand still when casting. It's not rocket science
Did bro just comment, to hate on me? Sure. If you can start the conversation with "oh your jokes are kinda mediocre tbh" when there is no joke to even begin with, you simply do not deserve any respect. Bumping into every wall? Did you open your eyes? I only accidentally bump into a wall twice, and that is me having skill issues, to be honest. if you disagree: it is fine, but downplaying it with blantant lies is just deplorable. If you had an attention spam equivalent to a goldfish, that's like your kind of problem, not mine. I'm not your parents, I'm just an internet guy sharing my opinions. I do not know you. Your attention span is completely annihilated and now you blame me for "you should keep it short because you felt tired around 4.5mins" ? Just ask yourself, who is the problem here? You are the kind of player I criticize, "they thought they struck gold". Not only do your points prove that you simply do not understand what I mean in the video, like you said it yourself, you didn't even pay attention to what I said. Did I say all his augment is useless? For Reinforcing and Piercing, I said they are not mandatory, but better if you can have them, not hard to understand. You say all his augments are trash, while playing Rhino in a bad way, I specifically mentioned that playing Rhino like this needs you to make up for it, and seems like someone is finding excuses for his bad plays by downplaying his augments, you say you can just recast, and you are exactly those people I sneak dissed in the video. And it seems that it triggered you. "I hope you are not one of those people." Did you think I cannot predict people like you to appear in my comment section? You spend your time to comment and you simply do not have nice things to say. Constructive criticism? Barely any. I only see personal attacks of "kinda tired because of your yapping" and your "criticism" isn't even correct, it just looks like you don't even understand the purpose of the video, at all. If you don't even understand the video, why even bother commenting something like this. No offense? You start the conversation with an offensive verbal attack, and tell me "no offense"? Is that a joke I am too "mediocre" to understand?
-clicks video -watches less than a quarter of it -"no offense" -insults the video creator's humor -makes claims that could have been debunked just by you actually watching the video Massive L, my guy
@@amolistic_ Hmm it seems like you take it as hate in the end. Im sorry, I didn't mean to offend you, I thought as Rhino players we do share some thicker skin. I said that Reinforcing and Piercing are simply not worth the mod slot. Any mod is better "if you can have them", that is a very obvious fact, its the comparison to other options that makes the difference between good and bad mods. Because Rhinos kit is so complete as is, increasing your abilities potency through range or strength will yield much stronger results than augments. In the end, even modless Rhino is still an A tier frame, so it barely matters, but we still care. I read that you are projecting on me that my attention span is annihilated because I critiqued the information density in your video, but honestly you don't need to get that defensive. You called your own commentary "yapping" during the video, I really couldn't guess you would take it as this much offense if I did the same. I have recommended, enjoyed and shared your video to many people, because I like them. I have voiced my appreciation multiple times in the past, I'm sureon comments on your videos too. Recently, I have enjoyed your video on Melee Afflictions, where you cover an entirely new mechanic in just 15min. Here you spend 24min critiquing another guys Rhino video, which already aligns with most of your and my views. I get that it may be tempting to insult anothers character as a defense mechanism, but its neither productive nor a good look. Hope you can grow from this, looking forward to your future content
He obv mean that a lot of players that didn't know not you tho , you are Rhino main ofc is no shet , but you have to understand got 99% of rhino players is not investing on rhino and pretend they are playing it right , this is the point he wanna say here , and those rhino player really do mention they "know how to build" meanwhile showing the actual bad result that possibly could
I will respond to you again, just to set the record very straight. Imagine this: You start the conversation with "your jokes are kinda mediocre". You start the conversation with insults. You cannot expect me to have quite the little respect towards you. You said that there is no valuable information. And you are only 4.5mins in. Video is 24 mins long. You can't just say "oh I am tired of your yapping" and not expect someone to not be offended by it, and when you comment , you don't even bother watching the whole video. You misinterpreted my meanings and that makes me very sad. You even blantantly lie about the Rhino charge thing by saying I bump into every wall while I only accidentally bump into the wall twice due to personal skill issue. You said that rhino charge is expensive, without knowing that Rhino charge cost 25, and subsequent cast becomes cheaper, to something like 6.25, with efficiency, this can drop to 1.5625 per cast, at 175 eff. Does this sound expensive to you? With what you said, it is a baseless and easily debunked claim. If you don't understand what is behind, do not comment about it and pretend that you actually know. I was like you before, but I have learned my lesson. It is also my fault that I didn't include that part that causes such mess, but please, do not lie about something that did not happen in the video. I am not a thick skin person, sorry. You cannot expect any rhino main to have a thicker skin. You said that his augments are not worth the slot, but you did not state any reason why, you simply tell me they aren't worth it, and it is the obvious fact. This is also, a misconception. Strength only gives you that much, range as well. Any of these are only minor increasese, after a certain point. It is way better to invest into more power that is outside the intended category. While they are not mandatory because Rhino is functional without mods or augments, but Piercing Roar makes your enemy deal way less damage, and reinforcing stomp makes your skin last extremely, extremely long. More strength or range don't help you much. You didn't understand why I stated that despite piercing roar and reinforcing stomp is extremely good, they are not mandatory due to Rhino being functional without them, you even bend my meaning by saying that I think they are trash while I spend a lot of time explaining them, not even try to understand what I said, and say my yapping is exhausting to hear. You bend my points to a whole different meaning and spread misinformation in your comments and expect me to not be mad at all? Wow. You are being very kind here and I should not be defensive at all. Do you know why I structured like this? I followed the points of Malurth's video, one by one. You insulted me throughout your comments and think I am going to be nice with you? Even your first comment, you even said that the bits after 7mins is better than whatever I do at the first 3mins. Did you know...that 3min part, is the most important part of the video? I had to make that to set the record straight, what you can expect from this video, and the commentor, aka me, you even said I "critique" Malurth's video about Rhino when it is not exactly that. That is not the exact context behind. I already said, this video is served to extend the points stated by Malurth, further. I even repeat this a few times in the video. 90-95% of what Malurth stated is true, but lacks that advanced knowledge and explanation to convey it better, like why rhino is cracked, he only states that it is because iron skin, roar and nourish, which is just the small gears in the big system. And so, I extend it further. You don't have that context and you come to comment...? And now you said that you are sorry that I take it badly when the whole comment of yours is straight up lies, taking my meaning out of context and making it looks bad and awful, completely makes me look like I am just yapping pointlessly, downplaying the purpose of that first 3 min where the context comes from, why am I capable of because I don't want to sound like I am just doing some baseless yapping and I have the experience to make correct points, saying that my first part of the video has no proper info and insult my joke making ability and say they are mediocre LOUD AND CLEAR when there is no joke at that part, and state that you are tired of my yapping LOUD AND CLEAR, and even at your last first comment you can downplay my efforts into "oh just cast roar, stand still and cast iron skin, not rocket science", proving that you simply didn't get the meaning of the video like you said, and you tell me that you didn't meant to offend me???? Imagine I type all this in your video, how would you react??? You already insulted me through and through, bent my meanings and made me look bad and awful, tarnishing my personality and downplaying all my efforts of the response video, the context behind, and even state that "YOU ARE TIRED OF MY YAPPING", even outright lie about something that doesn't happen in the video!! Wow. Wow....look at what you typed. Even if you shared my video, liked my video and appreciated my effort on the melee afflictions video, that is no use already. How can I even be happy about it when this is the comment I saw from you? You already commented on something this bad and awful, and now you are trying to make yourself look good by saying you appreciated my video, enjoyed and shared my video to many people, do you think it works now? No. Not at all. Grow up? Says the person who comments something this abysmal and damming. I simply return the favor. I'm not a nice guy, mind you. You insult me, I insult you back, it is that simple; and I can even say that I am being nice already with what you have said to me. If you are a grown up, you SHOULD UNDERSTAND that your words mean gold, you bend my meanings, insult me, downplay my efforts, blatantly lie about something in the video that does not happen, misinterpreted my meanings and say you are TIRED of my yapping, LOUD AND CLEAR. Is this what a grown adult should do? Ask yourself. You expect me to not be defensive? Ask yourself.
Rhino is Broken OP, he can melee, gun or just ability nuke while he Tanks everything, way to versatile. I use silence cause I hate dealing with acolyte and eximus, but any ability work
you can use Rhino Stomp for acolytes, though not for eximus. But generally, you prob want eximus to hit you because the ones that can hit you hard, are the ones that many Rhino players want to abuse to get high skin numbers, like blitz eximus or jade light eximus, but if you don't mind, the subsume works fine, as well. The rest is cake for Rhino, though if you choose to use silence as your choice of subsume...maybe you can pair it with Piercing Roar + Rhino stomp combo, so that your enemies will be opened to ground finisher + savage silence for huge ground finisher damage (which tends to hit very very hard), if you care to do so.
@@amolistic_ is it that common? Also i tried the Rhino Sunder with Melee Afliction on Glaive, didnt understanded much but i was using (Roar > Sunder Heat > Stomp > Glaive) my Glaive is 0 Forma btw and was killing on Survival Conjunction lv200, Also the Jade Eximus... Holy F
I want to learn how to play rhino, but i dont like the current famous millions hp tank build. Then TH-cam suggest you video to me. 1st impresion of your video: 1. If you are good, no need to hard prove yourself, we will know thru your clips. 2. When you said you make the hp tank meme build to make fun of bad rhino players, you are no different then those "struck gold" players. 3. I feel stress while watching your video afraid that who know one day i will be the one you make fun with "bad rhino player", isnt game supposed to be fun? 4. But i am happy finally i found someone who have different point of view rayher than OMG MILLION HP BROKEN TANK build. Conclusion after watching your video i feels like i learned something but not really.. I will watch your other videos and learn from you. P/s: A wise person who shares, not own.
well...its not a guide...like I specifically mentioned that this is a response video... if you want to learn something new, I don't think this video is going to be much, I kind of just keep this as a response, not much guide. Sorry. 1. yes that's true, but my initial thoughts are that people will still doubt me lol, maybe just my fear of getting some annoying haters who want to f** with me. 2. I am just throwing shots at 'them', tbh. I have met players like these so much in my time that I am just sneak dissing them, no need to take it seriously as you are def not one of them... 3. I am not going to diss you for that, calm down, I am just laughing at those who keep saying "RHINO SHOULD 100% BE PLAYED LIKE THIS AND YOUR RHINO BUILD IS BADDDDDDDDD, YOUR RHINO IS TRASHHHHH" 4.Thank you, I guess... I obviously want to share, but that is for my true guide video, not this one, video is way too short for that specific purpose.
@@amolistic_ @amolistic_ Ya, I think most of the people like me will misunderstood this is a response video and not a guide video. And you mentioned it a few times, sorry about that. Are you planning to have a proper guide video for rhino covering basic build and some other interesting possibility builds in the future? I did watching some of your clips, unfortunately I am watching from my phone and have to pause everything to read the words haha.
Warframe TH-camrs do nothing but copy smaller creators builds and change them a little. Sorta the TH-cam video of copying your friends homework but changing the answers a little so the teacher doesn't notice
Rhino is just an unstoppable force of nature. Insane he has never needed a rework and is still very comfortable in almost any mode or meta with his simple versatile kit
Hi,I like your videos in general, but to be honest without sounding rude, as a new player, the first 10 minutes of the video basically gave me zero info about Rhino and your expertise about him. If i can, i highly suggest you to try to go straight to the point for your next videos, especially when you have such a good knowledge that you are willing to share. Thanks for the video anyway and greetings from Italy.
yea i would like to but i am following the formula of the response video to keep it more streamlined, or else I will try to keep this very short lol, doing a 24min video is extremely tiring for me lmao
Bro found out lmao I do prefer tempest barrage Rhino over Nourish Rhino due to several benefits that is related to build freedom, and just a good by-product of nuking that Rhino can make great use of, due to Roar.
Malurth is a troll i don't believe that guy is making videos for real considering he made Saryn guide as a SARYN MAIN and dude was crying that spores don't have a damage cap? Then make cope response video lasting 6 minutes where he just copes how it doesn't matter and whatnot, don't waste time on that person. Making guides with no knowledge is...yikes
I do not need to care whether he is actually a troll, or he is just accidentally making a bad take on smth. I only care about what he had stated in this moment, this Rhino video he did. What he has presented to me, in that singular video. If you are right, you are right. If you are wrong, you are wrong. While there are tons of points that I simply do not agree in his Saryn video, this feeling should not be brought to his Rhino video. I don't want any bit of personal feelings attached, as it easily breeds prejudice and affects my judgement tremendously, and a response video should be fair and square. Good points are good points, credit where credit is due. He states good points, and it is generally right, though lack in further knowledge, should I be biased and say, "oh because you make bad takes on that saryn video, your take on Rhino is bad as well"? ABSOLUTELY NO. Anyone who watches that video and saw my response to it, will immediately know that I am biased and let prejudice had the best of me.
nice revisionist history. I said in my saryn vid they have no practical cap as the wiki lists it as 100k and the highest I ever got in mission was still under 24k, and then I expressed doubt that the cap even existed since the wiki was wrong about other Saryn info, as explained earlier in the vid. then, in a bid to find out if my doubts were correct or the wiki was correct, I tested it myself and posted the results as another vid. the wiki was indeed correct and there is a damage cap of 100k (spoilers); I then reasserted my earlier claim that there is still no practical damage cap since it took lab conditions to come anywhere close to it. I'm not a troll, you're a clown.
Dude can't stop laughing this was a joke right? Any build that works for you is the best build for you.. if you are a comedian nice... if you are arrogant here is a life lesson.. if you are having fun playing Rhino with no mods attached at all, you win, you a simply playing the game right. If you are angry playing a perfect build you lost, and you are simply playing games wrong. Have fun!
uhm, do you get the true purpose of the video right? Any build that works for you is the best build for you is true, BUT. You can't just sugarcoat it with "Just Have fun, if you angy playing a perfect build you lost, and you are simply playing games wrong" You dodged the question, the purpose of this response video. You don't even try to face the problems that is presented to you. I pointed out the bad and tear the bandage off and show you all of it. Points like "Any build that works for you is the best build for you" don't fix the problem. You are running away from it.
Unfortunately, you are the 4th or 5th person who tells me that I sound like/should be like uncle roger. (Because he is a Malaysian, too. That's why...)
@@amolistic_ no it is simply because it would be funny. I know what I said might come off racist. It wasn't my intention to be that way towards your content. If I may, instead of thinking me and the other five people have bad intentions maybe we're onto something.
@@TheGadecka i know it wasn't, don't worry lmao, I kinda just don't want to go "haiyaaaa" "walao ehhh" in my video for all of a sudden, you know... Yes, you all are actually onto something. Never expect that our accent is this recognizable... (Though The way uncle Roger talks is easy for Native Malaysians to replicate due to our culture and accent, maybe I can try if I find the chance to do so...)
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I spend quite the time on this video, and it is seriously one of my most intense project up to date. (3500+ word eassy level of yapping lmao)
This is a semi-response to Malurth's video - "You're playing Rhino wrong (and he is better than you think)"
Watch here: th-cam.com/video/CVadX2MKIU8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=n9rz2tMYQxlAtNDQ
Man, finally someone speaks up for Rhino again. Do me a favour: make Apocryphate know this.
He made the Rhino vid that made me love Rhino.
Just watch 'hardcore endgame rhino' by him from years ago.
@@vonrelevanz1963 sure
"Thermal Sunder Rhino? I literally invented it." this goes so hard 💀💀💀
Bro 💀
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i would rather use Gauss =P
response to response to response to response to amolistic's response to malurth's response to grind hard squad's response to gamble
that goes hard
I'd pay for GHS response to Gamble 😂
Thank you for not using the robovoice.
gotta pump those GHS voice pack up soon for peak memes (nah jkjk)
well this is a new one...just stumbled across this today after peeping your Melee Afflictions vid and checking what else was on the channel lol. didn't think I'd cross "get response vid'd" off the bucket list so quickly. neat
guess I'll respond a lil too...
4:13 well, if I actually bullet pointed them out like that, I'd probably do it more like "1. Iron skin provides nigh invincibility with zero build-around, 2. he has innate access to unnerfed Roar 2a. (freeing up a subsume slot) 3. can use that freed slot to make the Nourish + Roar combo, which is particularly potent" but close enough
5:00 I'm pretty sure a little parkour speed (praedos) + amalgam barrel diffusion would let me get around at around the same speed if not faster, without expending energy, tbh. it is technically useful as a movement ability, sure, but it's a super clunky one. void sling probably faster too.
6:12 also pretty sure I didn't call him a jack of all trades, he's mostly just a strong weapons platform in my book
7:24 BANGER
9:41 I mean I wasn't trying to detail every little good thing about rhino, just the broad strokes. and having some alternate nuke builds that don't impress compared to other frames isn't really a selling point in my book tbh. kind of surprised you didn't mention reave rhino if you were going this angle. but valid take, sure, you can play him in other ways too, which is also a point in his favor. the CC stomp build is pretty good for some tasks like interception as you showed too, granted.
10:50 first point was more about (allegedly) not being able to survive into level cap cuz (allegedly) even big overguard numbers get shredded by high level enemies, less about frequency of breaks, but the other two are spot-on
12:15 that's really not what I said, I said that's the baseline minimum you can expect into heavy damage if you just react to shield breaks by recasting and going about your business. I then point out that if you just sit there like a sitting duck during the 3 seconds and then start jumping around once the invuln period expires you can greatly extend this duration. so I'm not really sure why you're acting as if I didn't go over that.
12:36 hard disagree, deliberately sitting there for the 3 seconds is a choice, and one I often choose to skip. the only reason to sit there is to get a bigger overguard number, and the only reason to do that is to reduce your frequency of iron skin breaks, and the only reason to do that is either to ease your energy concerns or simply your need to press 2 as often. provided you have a good enough energy economy (another reason I use Nourish) and you trust in your reaction speed/aren't annoyed by having to press 2 at most once every 6 seconds, standing still on breaks often starts to just seem like a waste of time. the main exception to this is the new jade eximus lasers, which is an "ooh, free overguard!" signal for Rhino now.
13:47 pretty sure I at least briefly touched on how stomp also helps your defense and thus can extend your iron skin duration, and one of my points is that stomp is an actually useful ability at least, unlike charge (sorry still team rhino charge sux lol). but also as shown in the demo part of my vid, it really only shines contextually; I only use it accidentally in that run, because there's not really a point when zoom and boom gets the job done alone (why CC when I can instead kill?). ofc it's quite handy when you need to defend something or the situation is just getting too out of control for your tastes (and reinforcing stomp is neato)
22:22 yeah I only used blues cuz blues barely get a use and I'm swimming in them, and they're still solid. I would rather use strength shards. and as I explained in the vid, casting speed for iron skin is unnecessary if you have an augur mod, as the tiny shield gained will cover your cast time with a shield gate every time (assuming no Zenurik Inner Might/Mystic Bond proc)
22:42 disagreed...piercing roar and reinforcing stomp are nice to haves, usually, not better. more strength in my book. but I suppose that's augments done right when they're strong but optional picks, cheers devs.
22:55 perhaps for some weapons, but certainly not for all; in my demo I'm using a Tenet Envoy, which really doesn't care about viral weighting and would be happy to be 100% viral. and I'm gonna need to see some math before I take a "don't go over ~333-400%" advice. you're scaling roar damage too, so it's usually worth. also tempest barrage is very questionable in my book, either you constantly need to cast to debuff (pain in the ass, slows you down, energy drain) or you don't bother and kill enemies without it, in which case it's dead. much rather just have an always-on buff that also restores my energy and is given to all my nearby allies too.
23:16 lol this a review now? didn't see that one coming. I guess that's a pretty good score I'll take it
overall neat video. I expected to be disagreed with more, you were mostly agreeing with me lol. but yeah you added some good takes/info for the most part, was mostly nodding the whole time (catJAMing at one point). only take I really disagree with is "if you don't stand dead still for 3s after casting iron skin, you're bad and should feel bad," otherwise +1. thx for the vid :p
Tbh, a lot of points here all comes down to "agree to disagree aka opinions" moment, I prefer to not debate on those.
Reave Rhino: Is not that I did not mention, I have a video of it. You need 410 str for this to work without primers and oneshot anyone except acolytes at a press of a button, which is also fantastic for "eximus disappear from your screen, overguard is a joke" button, but not exactly a nuke I am very fond of. It scales insanely well, but outshined at low levels and the investment-to-power ratio is not quite there, unfortunately.
video here lol if you care:
th-cam.com/video/w-9GZksL0xA/w-d-xo.html
You do said "I then point out that if you just sit there like a sitting duck during the 3 seconds and then start jumping around once the invuln period expires you can greatly extend this duration." in your video, I just give a brief stroke over it with "movements" iirc.
333-400: Roar is higher, yes, but again, if there is lesser DoT, you are still self-sabotaging, not optimal in any shape of form and 100% viral kind of suck for direct hit weapons but again, human opinions moment. I don't like the "more str is more str" build, I am just the casual balanced, practicality and utility over strength build enjoyer but whatever, any rhino build works anyway.
That is why this nourish "nerf" is good for Rhino, but tbh: Wanna hear some controversial opinion? Tempest Barrage is the way better Nourish.
Can help killing due to actually capable nuking, viral maxed in an instant, can give corrosive, can armor strip with shards, can provide some mild cc, and just make any DoT build shine that 95% of your weapon likes, especially the new blast where proc rate is extremely important. Nourish can't even max your viral proc fast without using beam weps, let alone provide corrosive, nuking and so on, and we are in an age where everyone already had their energy economy settled and need no nourish from their teammates, but again, my takes, and opinions.
It is a pretty great score coming from me, if you want to be honest; you could say it is a high praise when I rate a lot of things a 5-6/10 aka so-so or good enough.
Your take does cover the basics well and generally agreeable, which is not expected when my first impression of you is from your "not-so-agreeable-and-convincing" Sayrn hot takes...
Just glad that you enjoyed the video.
@@amolistic_ fair enough, I didn't expect you to respond to everything in that wall of text lol. but just to close out my thoughts, now that you've responded:
- yeh I don't think reave rev is particularly good either. just thought we were out here naming notable interesting off-builds for him.
- @333-400%: still gonna need some math there homie, until further notice this is an agree to disagree too. recall also that things like hunter munitions don't care at all about elemental weightings and will care a lot more about a buffed Roar%. sure I can imagine there's some points at which like, a heat status app weapon would prefer lower Str, but that seems very edge case, and again, needs math to verify (a linear decrease in desired proc rate would theoretically be less impactful than an quadratic increase in DoT damage; even if there is a breakpoint where it gets worse, there should also be a breakpoint where it gets better again).
- also still very much disagree with your tempest barrage take for the points already noted, and also the fact that Nourish energy regen absolutely should not be ignored (yes there are lots of ways to manage your energy...but having a 2-3x regen buff means you can drop those other ways and replace them with more power). also corrosive requires a mod slot, is largely irrelevant if you're relying on Slash DoTs for heavy lifting (they ignore armor), and can be achieved just through modding your weapon for it. also getting 10 stacks of viral isn't actually that big a deal, as I'm sure you know 1x gives +100% damage to health whereas each extra stack is only +25%. ofc +325% is better than +100% but you only get that if you're willing to run around spamming a skill instead of shooting enemies; I imagine the sheer waste of time casting will often result in a lower kill speed anyway (note how enemies instantly disappear when I shoot them in my Rhino demo. tempest barrage would just slow me down and waste energy, outside of specific edge cases).
and finally, my Saryn hot takes are excellent, thank you very much 🥳
Your dedication on Rhino is impressive and it's surely helpful. Getting to know the opinions of someone that explored a whole Warframe with simple-looking yet powerful interactions with the whole game mechanics is already great.
My advice for you though is to not use this experience as a way to attack other players. I am absolutely convinced 99% of the Rhino players use the Warframe wrong because big funny numbers, but those people aren't even interested on building him correctly and watch these kind of videos. The few ones will just feel attacked by those statements and your effort will mean nothing at all.
Half of this video is basically rhino flexing without any explanation at all, and of course I understand why. Rhino is way more complex than he looks because of his interactions with the whole game. Roar = faction damage = stupid math stuff going on behind every single iteration of damage even on abilities, which scales absurdly well with strength. How do you explain all the possibilities in one video? That's very hard, but 10+ minutes of saying rhino is a god and stupid people are playing it wrong could have been used better I think! Not even mentioning the baseline power of Iron Skin which requires basically no investment at all, or the special properties of Rhino stomp.
All I'm saying is that most of the time, people spend their time trying to disprove other people's points. It takes at least twice the time and effort while you could just explain the stuff from your probably correct point of view without comparing it to others. Content like this tends to become way more streamlined and poof you now have the time to talk about all the possible interactions, even briefly, or shortly showcase different builds that work and why!
I always neglected Rhino, never got interested in it. At some point I just said let's delve into his mechanics, without watching any videos about him at all. All I knew about him was that Stomp could almost freeze any enemy including Eximus and Acolytes, Roar is scaling faction damage, and of course Iron Skin. Here's what I learnt just by reading the abilities on the wiki:
1) Iron Skin at the very bare minimum is around 5.1 seconds of invulnerability. 3 seconds from the invincibility period, 0.5 seconds of overguardgate, plus the shieldgate period of around 1.67 seconds with his 550 shields. Any Warframe could get basically invincible with this type of ability, no reason to invest on giga iron skin builds other than just increasing strength! Funny big numbers aren't that funny anymore.
2) Roar is insane and subsuming damaging abilities is even more absurd, of course. Piercing Roar is incredibly nice as an augment, even solely for QoL, because it lets you recast Roar which is already valuable. Puncture procs making enemies overall weaker in terms of HP and damage, minor yet useful crowd control, and the interaction with stomp is so simple yet so strong.
I didn't have 2500 hours of Rhino experience but I know the general math of the game which means I already know how powerful Rhino is, and how misunderstood he is. Of course you're going to be better at Rhino than me, even correct some of my points here, but you basically just need an open yet informed mind to see his true strength. No point in disproving blatantly wrong points, it's just a waste of time that doesn't even get the job done!
Good video anyway. The concept of this is that you have clearly invested a lot of time on Rhino so I just need to see images of those builds in action to see that they work great and why.
About the "attack" thing: while I am also convinced that most of them knew what they want, but I am just stating the plain truth. I might sound harsh, but it is the truth I saw within the players.
I state what I saw.
I can't make myself sugarcoat that truth and make it seem "harmless". I am not using my experience as there is no point, I am just pointing out how awfully bad the commonly used setup aka recasting method or iron skin setup really is, that ruins everything good about him, the TH-camrs who didn't know how to even play him, to make use of his potential.
I am very sorry if it sounds terribly harsh, but unfortunately, that is what I saw.
About the flexing: Why I need to flex, if my intention is to flex? There is no point of flex, for the sake of flexing. This video only serves to extend the points of Malurth further, I don't even have any intention to flex at all...
If it is about that part: I just want to set the record straight, because I need to prove myself worthy, thus the title: "why am I qualified", and that small text below.
The point of it is just to make myself sound believable. Half of the video of me flexing? Are you sure you get the right context behind it?
The point is not even flexing.
I already said it at the very beginning, I highly recommend you give the video of Malurth a watch, or you might not know what I am talking about.
"Why rhino is cracked"
This is the part where Malurth starts his video with. That's why I highly advice all of you to watch the video first. I only extend his point further. THIS IS THE EXACT REASON, MY GUY...I SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT PLEASE WATCH THE VIDEO FIRST.
I even call this a RESPONSE video, and just a semi-guide.
I might have poor English, but this means that this is a "half guide".
You take this as a flex of mine proves to me that you don't have the right context behind to know what I mean, if you want me to be very honest and candid with you...
this was never meant to be a true rhino guide that tells you everything that I know. That's on my 10k+ word essay for it, that I show all my secrets to all of you.
This entire video is to serve the purpose of extending the points of Malurth further. This is the point, this is a response video, not a guide for Rhino, all the information that normally appears in a guide is just for supportive purpose, in this video.
About your first point:
Bare minimum? Yes.
But still, I have suggested ways you can make use of it, it is not a true 3+3s like Malurth said. I even mention the methods you can prolong that period, and push it way past what a maximum Mesmer skin cannot provide, but you need to work for it, it's not free.
"Unlike Revenant, Rhino demands your understanding and your engagement with his kit."
And I proceed to explain all of it, just to make my point across, that misunderstanding that Malurth stated in his video.
About your second point:
Though I would agree recastable Roar is valuable, but the purpose of you using piercing roar, is everything but recast.
I have written a community post about it, if you had the time, please have a read.
th-cam.com/users/postUgkxSZRJauh4HxgULYXZHxdDpvPr9_VgcANA?si=UVaiqFC9Gt-zRERx
Though it seems that there is no point disproving blantantly wrong points and it seems to be a waste of time, but at least, imo, I need to set things straight, even if I get hated from it, I still need to.
minimum is actually 3.8333 seconds; fully broken shields take 4 seconds to begin regenerating, invuln + overguard gate only lasts 3.5s. it is actually entirely possible that you could come out of overguard gate with 0 shields remaining from a prior break, and have your health bar already exposed to damage (so technically the minimum is just 3.5s); this doesn't happen in practice because it always takes more than 0.1666s for your overguard to be depleted, though this is food for thought if you bring Rhino along to one of those +500% shield recharge delay EDAs.
I usually prefer to factor in the scaled overguard and give it credit for at least another 3s of invuln, but it can vary.
@@Malurth I didn't take in account the fact that you could basically get swarmed by attacks and you may not have regenerated your shields already because of the delay.. If that's ever a problem you could just equip one of those shield recharge mods and only need 1 mod for survivability (which is already great compared to what other frames need to do).
And it's not a problem at all because the 3.5s of invulnerabity + the actual time the enemy needs to deplete the overguard which scales on enemy damage (and basically lasts 3 seconds against the strongest enemies) already make up for it
@@KhristianBolano yeh, agreed. just pointing out the shield recharge delay definitely can come into play and reduce that number. but in effect it still works fine, worst case scenario you have a ~1s window to react and press 2 before your health bar becomes vulnerable, which is actually plenty.
i love rhino, cleared whole steel path with him, he makes it look like a joke, while having such simple tools he makes so much with them that even most avid wisp mainer can't dream of
It's the good ol' Rhino type of magic doing wonders again :)
Glad that you can resonate with what I said in this video.
@@amolistic_ yeah, i am a big fan of all of your videos, even trying such builds as aquablades rhino, keep up the good work!
Hi, Amolistic. I wanted to leave a criticizing comment to your video because there are some things you must hear/read from someone, otherwise you won't be able to improve.
I tried my best to make this comment as short as possible, but there is only so much i can shorten to make my point. Sorry if this is still way too long.
I'm not new to warframe, i don't have an interest in playing rhino, but i'm here because a friend of mine sent me your video asking if your videos are trustworthy (which he should be able to determine himself instead of asking me since i didn't even knew the channel, but i digress)
Still, i came to see what you had to say, maybe learn something new about the frame. I know he's powerfull and even absurd if you consider how damn old his ability kit is, but i think you are embellishing the frame WAY too much, and seeing as this may be the first video some people will watch to actually know your channel, there are some things regarding your presentation that may give people the wrong impression about you.
To start, from the prologue of the video you proceed on taking credit about many rhino sinergies and small contributions to other, more populars videos to "validate" who you are, to convince people that your info is not "made up" or clickbait material. I believe those contributions have been credited on their respective videos and that's fine, but it doesn't hit well when you self-credit them or the sinergies/strategies you talk about, such as thermal sunder roar. Actively taking credit and labelling it as an "Achievement" just gives a negative impression about your ego, not confidence about what you're about to teach. Those kinds of things are best left for other people to tell, so let them credit you for it instead of doing it yourself.
It is clear you judge the general rhino player because they play it wrong , and judging is okay, i'm aware most people play their warframes sometimes as mediocre as possible, but man, you go so far as to say "a video of me shitting on all those who plays rhino in such a bad way that this peak meme video of mine is doing better than it". That goes beyond criticism, that's just plain hating. Maybe i'm the one who is new to the channel and doesn't get the joke, but that kind of treatment won't help people play rhino better, it sounds like you're about to show that YOU play him better than others, not HOW others should play him.
Part of mainly playing one singular warframe involves knowing his strengths, his weaknesses, then boosting his strengths and compensating for his weaknesses. When you talk about iron charge, you are trying to boost his weaknesses. This is the part of the video where i became aware of your bias towards Rhino. When you say Rhino Charge serves as a *speedrunning* ability, that's just misleading. Rhino Charge is clanky, goes just a few meters and uses up energy to do the exact same thing as bullet jumping and rolling, and your gameplay footage confirms that. If we take a moment to compare Rhino Charge to similar movement abilities like Tidal Surge, Vial Rush and Mach Rush, we can see how pitiful rhino charge mobility is. All abilities mentioned plus just basic parkour is faster and more controllable than rhino charge (well, tidal surge technically is just as clanky, but it's faster and goes 3x times farther), and only Mach Rush deserves that kind of credit due to it not being a niche of the ability. That is it's actual function.
While i'll won't mention every time this ocurred, as i continue to watch the video, there is a lot more embellishment and bias to make rhino's abilities look like they are a lot more than they really are. I mean, am i really supposed to give Piercing Roar any kind of value just cus it reduces the dmg caused by already CC'd mobs?
I believe you are a Rhino veteran and tries to push him to his absolute limits, but those limits sometimes go beyond the relevance barrier. There is a lot of knowledge incorporated on this video, sure, but the way you comunicate that to me makes me want to hear the info from someone else. By self-reflecting on that and putting personal bias aside, you have potential to be so much more successful on warframe content creation, and actualy changing how the community sees Rhino in a way that doesn't portraits him as just a new player friendly frame. I truly wish you well and hope to see your channel grow exponentially over time.
Thank you, I will take my time and have a read, its fine, you can keep it long, I have get used to reading long essays, as I always type essays like its nothing, no need to worry.
Embellishing: Hmmmm...though I cannot 100% confirm that I am embellishing the frame way too much, but things I said in the video are tried and true, as embellishing (adding details that is not true) is just as good as spreading misinformation, and Rhino has a lot of misinformation around him already, I come to clear his name, not making it worse...I do try my best to make the chance of spreading misinformation minimal, or zero, but this doesn't mean that I am 1000% not susceptible to it.
Thank you for pointing it out, will take this into consideration.
That part of the video:
Thinking about that self-crediting or the entire part, though I have no ill-intention, and I try my best to show as little as I can and try to downplay my achievements subtly and what I state is as truthful as I can be, it might sound ego but...the purpose of it was never about ego. Including that thermal roar part, it is not me self-crediting, I am just sublty saying that "If you want to mess with me, come f*** around and find out, don't try to play with me when it comes to Rhino's knowledge."
It is served to be a self-protect mechanism as I had saw hateful comments from Malurth's video (video that I respond to). I don't want to be the next one. If I say that out loud, I am just asking for even more hateful commenters to attack me.
To prevent this as much as possible, this was made to chase off those who had the guts to mess with me (I had been in situations like this a lot already, and this is more prevalent as warframe community can be a little bit...hostile, at times when videos like these pops up) as much as possible, but this comes with the exchange that I might sound egotistic, but that is a small price to pay for my sanity to keep this going.
It is expected, and you are the 2nd person who told me this, which is...way less than I thought. I'm sorry that you feel it this way but hope that this section can provide the context you need.
general rhino player things, about that hp tank part:
Thinking about it again...I was being way too straightforward, and I generally don't hold myself back when I say something like this, due to me being an extremely blunt person. Maybe it can because the part of that is just to diss those who said, "omg iron skin huge number is the only METAHHHH", "your rhino is not played at the 'optimal level", how can you survive"... I do not come to hate, it is just me dissing and debunk all those comments with actual proof.
But come to think of it, yeah if you can feel like this, I think I do not provide ample context for it, I know why I say this, but if people like you who are first to my channel or you are not me at all, you are bound to have zero context. My bad, I will try to provide more context to my words next time and not suffer the consequences of needing a long essay after essay to explain the context.
Though the most important part is that this video is not a guide, it's a response video at core, this video is not what a proper guide should be in my eyes, and it is not up to my standards, if you want me to be real with you.
Conclusion:
Yeah...after reading your comments further, I think it all comes down to one problem: lack of context/meaning in my words behind, and I expect all of you to understand what I mean, and thus it makes you feel like I am just embellishing, you don't have any context for the meaning behind my words, and it makes my word feel like personal biases of mine because I like this frame.
And because it was forced to be a response video, a lot of details that I need to dismiss to keep the video short. Rhino is not without weaknesses and learning curve. I might seem to be very good at it, but I forgot to state that it took some understanding to get there...and learning it is not some "day 1 revenant press button" kind of thing.
At the very last part of the video, which I briefly mention the making of the guide that is over 10k words that is still in the writing, Rhino charge takes 7 page out of the 38 (start from 11 to 17 ) to detail the good and bad, which I unfortunately cannot fit in, and become something like this.
This includes all other rhino's abilities that I had to dismiss so many details and context to not make this video take months to even complete, and not to mention that I expect people to understand the full context without even providing the context that is way too long, which doesn't help at all, and seeing that this is what you feel in the video, I realize that the context, despite too overly long, should not be dismissed for an easier time to make this completed (and even then, this take me two weeks to finish...).
I think I am too overly focused on the point that "I need to understand the meaning behind the video and know what I am saying" but simultaneously forgot that other people do not have my understanding and thoughts to even understand those meanings behind, and thus causing those thoughts of yours to happen.
Thank you for your wishes and this extremely useful criticism. It will help me tremendously in future content creation.
12:04 is what i really enjoy about this frame. The skill issue in this ability alone is enough to make his other abilities and weapons modded for utility over damage shine.kinda reminds me of the old shield gating also where your health bar would be greyed out.truly a fun and engaging mechanic overall of the warframe experience
wow, that's unexpected to hear, but very welcomed.
I am glad that you enjoy such mechanics in the overall warframe experience :)
I never went out of my way to get a second Rhino after subsuming him since I kinda just expected him to play like Revenant, who literally puts me to sleep while playing. However, affter this video I'm certainly interested in getting him, especially after the portfolio of yours at the beginning showcasing how many ways you can effectively play Rhino without overinvesting
Glad you are learning something new from this video and I can have you interested in playing Rhino again, giving him a second chance.
As a mag main, I understand how it feels for people to not understand. its only recently people started to get my main and even then there are still some aspects people don't get. I feel your pain
I still fondly remember the "mag mains try to explain why their main is good" meme...had to say that mag is quite underrated.
@@amolistic_ your tips have really helped me at improving my rhino by the way.
Mistakes in vid regarding other frames:
Only one, Volt as jack of all trades. Big problem keeping him alive WHILE moving. Yareli is better than him even from just a start. Rn only yareli and octavia should be considerated as jack of all trades. (before overguard and yareli relase, it was rhino when solo playing and octavia if in party).
That is not the correct understanding of "Jack of all trades".
@@amolistic_ volt can do three out of four: buffs, crowd control and damage. He doesn't help anyone with survivability. If he at least was easier to survive while using him, then he can revive whole team, so it would count as helping with survivabilty.
11:48 LMFAO
i love getting half a mill ironskin with the jade eximus, it's pretty consistent imo, to be honest that single eximus has greatly increased my enjoyment of the frame.
I know I don't need to do that but big number fun.
Great video! I did notice how easy to mod rhino was, but I didn't put 2 and 2 together that it was because he's already super good without them lol.
Agree, though Jade light eximus helps a lot, but I will still suggest you learn the proper way, as jade light doesn't appear much, and that's where my point of "inconsistency" comes from.
At least that's my point of view, but if it works for you and it increases your enjoyment of Rhino, it is good enough, in my book.
Since understanding Rhino's kit, I feel like using weapons like the Kuva Zarr n Ogris ruins survival mission for some players😅
Hi! I just have a quick question from a fledging Rhino player, why is it important to go for super-efficient use for Iron Skin if you can just cast it again? Doesn't the shield gating, plus that over guard gating thing give you ample time to just cast it again? I noticed when my shield breaks there is a highly noticeable screen effect, so just pressing 3 when you see the red flash should be enough to keep me alive no? So far thats what I experienced atleast, or did I land on a trap of sorts?
I use a slightly more modified version of Malurth's build, and I haven't run into issues thanks to nourish and energy nexus giving me backup energy and battery giving me a higher storage of it.
Why exactly an efficient iron skin per cast is needed if you can just keep casting through the gating? Is there something Im missing? Cheers!
Edit: Oh wait, was that just to prove I dont need augments or a hyper specific mod set to get high numbers? If thats the case I think I can practice that and get good at it, but Id still like to know if theres merit in casting during gating or if its a bad idea. Cheers again!
Amolistic ran so that I could walk.🙏
-Piercing roar, gives enemies 5 puncture procs.
-5 puncture procs boosts crit chance by 25% and gives 80% damage reduction.
That 80% dmg reduction with Overguard is miles above revenant. I tested it and even with 10k Overguard on lvl 200 so feels like I got at leave 200k-300k Overguard.
Not much of a rhino player myself but I actually learnt so much from the vid. However counterpoint: Trinity best frame🥺
Thanks :)
About the counterpoint: I agree.
Yes, my bog standard EV Trinity build from 4 years ago still holds up after returning to the game
Seems like you play Rhino the way I play Frost. I've got 4 of him with different polarities and builds just because he is so flexible. Also, Rhino AND Frost both have the same energy max of 150, so not the lowest, more so tied.
energy: Yea I know about this, ash, voruna, rhino, frost has the lowest energy reserves, thank you for pointing it out.
my favorite build is literally rhino with all the speed mods on him. rhino is pretty much the go anywhere do anything frame. I am almost certain this is why he is the second frame you get back in the day his kit is almost tailor made to complete the star chart with very little mods.
I didn’t get a chance to ask when I saw this video the first time, but what build did you use for the Piercing Roar showcase that had 235 range? And would you recommend a Piercing Roar build or a Gloom one in terms of which one has better CC? Does Piercing Roar scale with range?
And out of curiosity, with a Piercing Roar setup opening enemies up to ground finishers, would this also make it worth using Melee Crescendo?
Appreciate the video!
May I ask you what weapon are you using at 20:25 ? The shot effect seems to be a gold bubble
Sepulcrum
@@amolistic_ Ty mate !
have you ever used Mecha set on Rhino? it's super broken with anything, 3 mods and a pet = 30m nuke range
I do try it out before, pretty insane. You can pair it with something like aquablades (or any ability/weapon that has a DoT) for maximum area destruction due to massive slash with surging blades + Roar + Mecha set and its interaction with Roar.
Getting one of our few dramas over the years and it's about rhino is crazy
It's not drama lmao it's just a continuation of topics started by one...
I feel this about Frost. So many ppl don't know about a Precision Intensify. The value of PI + Cor Proj to get ONLY 100% strip and no more
I rmb that you can just get 100% strip by just Prec. Intensity alone as his armor strip is 60%, and you only need 167 str to achieve 100%.
@@amolistic_ if you use overextended for range then you're at 84% strip
@@fr_z_n3727 true
The rare warframe content creator who knows what they are talking about. Excellent video, great job
uhm...i think im just ok lmao
thank you for the enlightenment master i admit i was foolish to go for the 2mil iron skin build and i wont stray from the true path anymore
uhm...I am no master. I am just trying to teach and open the eyes of people as much as I can.
@@amolistic_ brother you are not A rhino main you are THE rhino main bro i found this video yesterday and im excited to see what else can rhino do that i may not know about
One wise streamer once said "the only way to play a game wrong is if you are not having fun"
With that in mind there are sure different and more or less optimal ways to play any frame, but going for those millions of points worth of iron skin is not inherently wrong. It is wrong for me, I just feel my brain always rotting away when the gameplay is hunting for some rare achievement instead of playing the game normally, but some people like to try to cluster up 15 enemies in a doorway and pull the whole konami cheatcode of interactions to get that 85 million iron skin without ever absording any damage into it.
Not me, the only rhino build I have is like 8 years old, from a time long since forgotten when I solo farmed credits in the index. Sure I had the charge and iron skin augments there, the build used to have 2 energizes as well so I could barely cast one roar after collecting energy orb. And even back then I hated rhino, but he waa the best frame to consistently do solo index. If I had a friend I just straight out picked valkyr, that friend of mine played nova and we farmed prodman posters.
Understandable tbh
The best way to play rhino is going to the arsenal and changing frame to a less boring one
the snarky comments made by that heavy accent makes those comments very funny
Great video! Rhino was already S++ tier but after jade shadows with the arcane battery & jade eximus beam (for free 5.9mil iron skin) I think he needs another + at the end.😂
thanks
Your video thumbnails 🤝
My biggest problem with this video is the fact that you often let the ego do the talking. Other parts were great but throughout the video you kept saying things like "most rhino players are bad rhino players" or "most rhino guides are from people who lack understanding" which are such bold statements to say. Rhino could be built however the builders want, just because someone's build is different from yours doesn't mean it's worse, it's just different. Like you said, if it works then it works. They could be building for parasitic armor, high strength for roar, or stacking augments for big iron skin off the bat and there's nothing wrong with that. The guides on youtube aren't bad either unless you're generalizing and talking about the ones with super low view count. Me personally, I've played this game right after the juvian concord update and have been using wisp ever since. Just because i've had 3.5k hours on wisp doesn't mean my words are gospel. People could be building for sol gate, for max str, for max range or whatever and all of that wouldn't the wrong way to build wisp because there is no right way to build wisp, or rhino, or any frame. That's why I really squint my eyes everytime you act superior to other rhino players. Now I'm not questioning your experience and knowledge on rhino, I know you are more qualified than many other players but you didn't have to drag other players down. Hell I don't see KMF dogging on other saryn players just because he got an "optimal" build. Just what I think after watching the video
This sounds ego to you? This isn't even about ego anymore; I am heavily saddened by it. You can even say that I am mad and sad about it.
"You think I am joking? No. Not at all. It is saddening."
Understand the context behind. Who wants to even state that they are saddened? You think it is for funnies?
Stating such truth takes immense courage, because people will hate me. And it seems that this video has garnered a lot of hate, as I expected.
The way people play Rhino that wastes all his potential and still do that bad setup and states why he is so bad and need augments, complain and complain, and state that he is an old a** frame that needs rework, has the audacity to say that why should I even do the proper method and just do that recasting and proceed to show me bad builds that wastes his potential, and still act like they knew everything when I try to spend my time, typing an easily well past 1k word essays after essays JUST FOR THEM, just to educate them on a better way, wasting my PRECIOUS time, just to selflessly share my secrets.
I bet you already knew me somewhere, as long as that video has Rhino and some form of guide in it, you are almost guaranteed to see me there, leaving a very long essay that shares all the correct information and try to correct the misinformation if it had. People knew me because of this. I am just this crazy. if people like me who are spending their time doing this tirelessly, are they just letting their ego do the talk? Ego was the last thing I should even remotely consider.
I was trying to spread the correct information in a place that is filled with blatant misinformation that those few meta warframe youtubers that plays him wrongly, and causes such catastrophic problem where Rhino is barely understood past that point, and still, had to be hated because "my point is wrong because skin numbers big is guuuudddd" "You sounds like you are yapping" when I tried to correct them?
Do you know what is the true "let the ego to do the talking"? Let me show you.
I can simply state that:
"if it wasn't NovaUmbral who was enlightened by me, the correct way of playing Rhino and flip his perception of Rhino by 180 degrees and make quite the phenomenal video about it aka 'Rhino is the most overpowered warframe' that corrects all of his old mistakes that is also one of the bad rhino guides, do you think that the overall rhino player will start to learn about Nourish Rhino, and choose to subsume over his 1 and that setup is no longer the "only build" of Rhino?
I choose to be very humble with "I'm one of those behind" and across all of my stated achievements already, I can list more, or I can be very egotistical and say: "I was the prime reason why that video even exists. I was the main reason behind. Now you all know how to play Rhino close to something that is quite acceptable? A lot of the synergies that you all saw on Rhino? It was all my silent doings."
Why flex all of this? If I didn't type this all out, you won't even know this.
@@amolistic_ well that's true. I'll take it back since I'm one of those nourish rhino players right now 🤝
do you by any chance look forward to the Rhino heirloom xD ?!?
I will
Nice explainations as always , if you disagree means that you admit what the video says
Not a fan of this one. Most of the video is explaining the obvious, without touching on the complex parts.
Iron skin breaks easily? Obviously not, I read the simple ability tips and it scales infinitely.
Misunderstanding 2? refer to misunderstanding 1
Misunderstanding 5 (btw you labeled it as 4 in the video).... I got a streamline bro im good
3 is somewhat interesting but you gloss over why iron shrapnel is bad. "Why do you even need to recast iron skin for?" My hp is low, I have enough energy and time, I also anticipate being more busy (disruption and about to slot a key in)
I trust your build/gameplay has an answer but I do not know.
You also 100% gloss over reinforcing stomp by saying "Reinforcing stomp is just being reinforcing stomp. No explanation needed." I really need an explanation here because the mod description and wiki page make it sound worthless. Why would I want to restore ~24% of my iron skin by being forced to stomp rather than restoring ~100% by just casting iron skin again
Another thing that needs more explanation is rhino stomp in general. Abilities that stop enemies from moving into your bullets are very frowned upon in defense, and most of the game in general. What is the secret sauce that makes this ability different and powerful. My instinct tells me to only use it as needed (low hp def objective) but recommending the stomp augment heavily goes against that.
Alright enough from me im gonna go take a look at your void cascade run. cause i've been curious about that for a while
I would agree, I don't really get into the very deep ones, which is true, but my video this time is followed by what Malurth has stated and I just follow what he has started, as this is at heart, a response video, I would like to add more, but it should be kept as a "response" video at core, and information/guide as a support, thus "A response and a semi-guide".
I know that it can be disappointing that this is not a very deep guide from someone like me, but response is response. I am sorry if you felt disappointed.
I could explain Rhino's whole base kit to a very deep degree, but then this video will not be just 24mins, it will be over 1 to 1.5 hours or even more, and by that point, it defeats the purpose of this being a response video, I can make an extremely detailed guide with this already.
Misunderstanding 1 and 2 is two whole different topic, my guy...how is it the same. But if you think so, then...I can't possibly comment on this.
Iron Skin breaks easily: Iron skin does break easily, as it is a 1:1 enemy damage conversion and if you take that much damage, and do not execute any methods, it does break easily despite "infinite" scaling and that is the misconception many people had, thus I have suggested ways that you can prolong it...
about that mislabel: my apologies, personal mishaps.
Misunderstanding 5:
"You can use max leveled arcane energize, equilibrium with panzer, or whatever."
If streamline is fine for you, then it is good.
3: I do explain why the recast is not good, and state why iron shrapnel is not good. Why do you even recast for? Unless something like blitz or jade, but that is not something you should 100% rely on, or setups that you demand to uncast, or just wanting to nuke with it, you don't need recast. The purpose is so niche, that it should not be in your daily builds. I am sure that I had said this in "chapter 2.3.2".
I stated the only good use cases of Iron Shrapnel to make my point across, but still, the only good use cases that warrant the use of it, are too niche.
And thus, If your hp is low, you should ABSOLUTELY NOT recast, as you are wasting that precious 0.5s overguard gate that allows you to take no damage, I forgot to explain the "0.5s ironskin seamthough technique" with 37.5% casting speed, which is my bad, but even without it, you should not recast with iron shrapnel, as now you waste that 0.5s gate for nothing in return, and that 8m knockdown wave that might just ruined your potentially good skin setup.
Reinforcing Stomp: I explained it before that part you mentioned, at 2.1. Since I had already explained, I do not want to repeat the same points at 2.3.2, and I just gloss over it later on, but anyways, I will do you a favor here:
Reinforcing Stomp will replenish your lost skin health by each enemy you hit, which is that 4% stated on the stat screen.
It is basically just 4% of your total skin hp per enemy hit by Rhino Stomp.
Rhino Stomp: Did I not showcase the use of it...? I even show the actual footage of it. Why it is powerful, and the use of Reinforcing Stomp. I even explain why Rhino Stomp + Piercing Roar is so oppressive...
Well yes, I agree, I could seriously do more, but remember...this is a response video, I could, but response comes first, guide/info is second. Rhino Stomp has way too many things to cover, and if I want to, I will do it all, at once.
Frowned upon when used in defense or general missions? That is some "peak warframe brainrot" topics that covers way too many things and has too many nuances, and it is too subjective, best not discuss it here aka in this video, I feel like my video has caused enough controversy that I can deal with.
like bro... you know, to this point, I feel like almost every point that I need to respond to you feels like it is something that I had already explained/debunked them in the video...like...I am just repeating myself, here...
Can I be very, VERY honest with you?
Did you...uhm...pay clear attention to what I say, or you just skip parts of the video?
@@amolistic_ I assume you're talking about rhino stomp around 9:09 . Yes this is a very good ability for this game mode. What about survival, omnia cascade, even in exterminate it seems niche. Maybe I just got the wrong idea of an ability that's frequently used when really its just a good ability when applicable.
"Why do you even recast for? Unless something like blitz or jade, but that is not something you should 100% rely on, or setups that you demand to uncast, or just wanting to nuke with it, you don't need recast. The purpose is so niche, that it should not be in your daily builds." Yes you did say this but it does not address the common scenario laid out.
The following statements about casting speed and 8m knockdown however does so thanks for the knowledge
thanks for pointing out the reinforcing stomp info I missed. I understand the potential of the augment better now although needing to stomp and build range still seem like relevant downsides. Is reinforcing stomp not as universal as I interpreted? not sure what i'm missing
Your comment on Rhino is god of all trade is very similar to me. I always call Rhino as king of all trade.
i like the structure of the video, need better chapter names tho
very informative, im not a rhino main but if i need a build ill know were to go
Fancy and well-designed chapter names are nice to have, I totally agree with you, but for a response video, I prefer straightforward points rather than memorable title names as it might not convey what I need to say in that section.
You're not a true Rhino abuser until your meta core memory is Boltor Prime, Acrid and Dakra Prime /j
true, but boltor prime was one of my fav (even way before its incarnon)
17:57 as a limbo main i agree
Limbo mains rejoice
"god of all trade" explains why people like to play him in index :)
Wait I know this guy. Surely I know him for being garbage at rhino, right?
Flaws of rhino:
1st: the need of parrying crowd control with iron skin. Rhino was great before overguard was added . (now some mission can get up to 75-80% spawned enemies with overguard, u will stay ailve with iron skin but you will be rly slow and ineffcient with killing)
2nd flaw: 3sec wait time for iron skin minmax control. In normal mission when there are other players who nuke enemies you cant set yourself up properly (thats also why i stopped playing rhino way before overguard was added, it is a great solo frame, rly great, but falls off hard in party).
1st: parrying? wdym? Do you mean pairing or smth? Rhino can execute blocking with melee even in Iron Skin, yes, but I don't know what you want to express...
Crowd control is just one part of the maintaining.
Plus, Reinforcing still restores iron skin despite overguard. What the hell is inefficient killing lmao when roar + whatever buff you are rocking today exists...
2nd: if everyone was dying, then iron skin is not getting downed either, thus not needing to set it up either. How does anything hit you when everything didn't exist anymore, by the time rhino nukes by himself in squad, he doesn't even ask for proper iron skin setup either (ESO), where nukes are the strongest, is in a level where iron skin barely needs any setup anyway.
Also: You typed this comment and tell me that you haven't play Rhino for like at least 1yr+...it makes your point look way less convincing than it should be, if you want very real feelings from me.
U won't die even with base iron skin 😂 just spam 2 when returning from operator to rhino and ur good plus roar best buff for allies and makes subsumed thermal sunder better than the original, would play rhino even if he only had iron skin
@@amolistic_ Thank you for fast response and sorry for my bad english typing and beeing late to answer.
1) Iron skin needs crowd control after 3sec tanking or reinforced stomp augment to keep it up. Even if you keep it up forever stomp is a rly slow casting abbility which also adds to the 2nd point that is:
2) Iron skin 3sec of tanking dmg on left alive enemies before attacking adds up rly quick. It slows your kills per min that is really important in few cases. I understand that i realy talk from my very niche point of view, that is speedruning disruptions (that is one of few activities i like). In 15 rounds i was close to 4 min slower on average in comparison when i tried using arcane guardian with adaptation on rhino and stopped casting iron skin.
@@beansdog7333 When i learned how to spawn predict enemies in warframe then i was better of with Crowd control after using iron skin cus i cast it as fast as i come near the group of enemies and near 2,5 seconds mark after using iron skin i cast 4th abb to cc them and kill without losing any iron skin % to keep it longer. Without this strat i was slower cus of need of either recasting iron skin or using stomp (with augment) a lot more frequently. It worked for me and if there is better option i would like to learn it and test it so im open to disscusion
Chroma crying in the distance.
The other guy: you don't need much to make rhino enjoyable
This guy: yes you do!!!! He good god
Also what? Limbo and Octavia are the only ones that work modless???
Protea, banshee(she could use a helminth ability tho), gauss, harrow, inaros, Kora, mag, nezha, voruna, zephyr, and nidus can all do wonders even without mods
honorary mentions for stynax, hyldryn and gyre who only really need one augment to be wicked strong :/ ...kulervo and caliban might be able to put in work but I don't have them yet, vauban, loki, mesa, and ivara are interesting and might need testing.
not sure what limbo is doing modless it's rough out there without high range silence...
It depends on massive amount of situation.
Modless means that the most important part of their power is still intact, even in situation like this, in Steel Path. I base my take on the degree of Steel Path.
Limbo, Rhino, Octavia can work modless in Steel Path like it's nothing because they require very close to nothing, the rest you mentioned is not really.
While they can work, but not so in Steel Path. No helminths, no augments, nothing. Just the frame on the get-go. Khora is just poopoo without exalted. Gauss is Nothing, no speed, no tank, buff and nuke is weak. Protea deals no damage with her turrets, energy economy without equilibrium on her is just "gg you know why". Banshee and Gyre just folds. Sty also can't withstand, no armor strip, not enough energy to even stay survivable and his nuke in this situation? Don't even imagine.
All the frames you mentioned either needs so much more to even be serviceable or requires something.
Only someone like hildryn or harrow can be serviceable.
the hardcore limbo mains are built different, your typical limbos don't even know how to maneuver.
@amolistic_ I legitimately lvled protea and gauss in sp with no mods on them... gyre just needs her augment and a halfway decent weapon. Protea gets +100 strength every 4th cast, and her turrets scale with enemy numbers, and her 3 gives energy, and her 4 can both return that energy to her and revive her if something goes wrong. Banshee has a base 5x damage multiplier, which is better than roar, and her silence counters eximus abilities and stuns non eximus. Khora admittedly can be energy hungry but people regularly run her with - strength so I'd imagine 100% strength with a decent stat stick (should be allowed since I heavily doubt you meant modless weapons for rhino)
@@myramedchan4775 I understand, it's possible, but what I mean is the efficiency of such. I do understand a lot of frames are capable of modless, but to what extent is important.
The aforementioned three frames can function like they have well equipped mods, they have tools that don't require mod scaling at all, or just being extremely low investment needed, the distance between their peak and bottom is the shortest of all frames.
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Modless Banshee wise, you still need way more tools that just brief stuns and damage, and without her augment resonance, the amount of your sonar casting can outright kill you in situations where you are stuck in the animation, and with not much range, sonar casting are bound to be way way more.
For khora with that much casting, no mods, no helminths, khora can struggle a lot more due to her intense casting while being modless.
@amolistic_ I could make similar arguments for rhino. Like his overguard going down could run him out of energy, and his damage boost might not be enough at base for many weapons. His stomp doesn't have enough cc to justify the energy cost and his dash isn't worth it as bullet jumping will go farther.
At the end of the day this is a power fantasy type of game and if running modless makes you feel powerful then go for it.
honestly, good video but alas, I am but a simple lavos and inaros player, and I do things badly on *purpose*
understandable
Tis is ta uncle roger of wahframe widgeos
"You fuck up"
very real
You need to keep these videos shorter. No point listing about your legitimizations for making a Rhino video
I'm 4 and a half min in and there was no valuable info at all yet plus the jokes are honestly kinda mediocre
Also I really don't understand .......... why you are making this point about Iron Charge. Even as a movement ability it is undoubtedly one of the worst in the game and as a speedrun ability it not only costs a lot of energy and is clunky, its still worse than good movement, as you demonstrate in the video by bumping into every wall. It just seems a little pretentious
The video should've started at 7:07. That bit alone is a much better intro than whatever you did in the first 3 minutes. But at this point I'm kinda tired because you're seriously yapping and its exhausting. Also as a Rhino main I don't think your take on the Rhino augments is extreme enough. All Rhino augments are shit and not worth the modslot. All of them. Also you spend a lot of time talking about the augments and afterwards tell the audience that the augments are useless. And then you talk about the augments again, as if it matters. This whole sections is just so unstructured.
Piercing Roar? You have Stomp. Reinforced Stomp? You can just recast, and your Iron Skin scales with levels anyway, plus has s. Both augments completely redundant by the press of a single button
No offense meant, I'm trying to be constructive and I hope you don't take it badly. Your points are mostly valid but there is no way you need 24min to say that augments are useless, Roar is broken with status effect damage, and iron skin investment is useless if you just stand still when casting. It's not rocket science
Did bro just comment, to hate on me? Sure.
If you can start the conversation with "oh your jokes are kinda mediocre tbh" when there is no joke to even begin with, you simply do not deserve any respect.
Bumping into every wall? Did you open your eyes? I only accidentally bump into a wall twice, and that is me having skill issues, to be honest. if you disagree: it is fine, but downplaying it with blantant lies is just deplorable.
If you had an attention spam equivalent to a goldfish, that's like your kind of problem, not mine. I'm not your parents, I'm just an internet guy sharing my opinions. I do not know you.
Your attention span is completely annihilated and now you blame me for "you should keep it short because you felt tired around 4.5mins" ?
Just ask yourself, who is the problem here?
You are the kind of player I criticize, "they thought they struck gold".
Not only do your points prove that you simply do not understand what I mean in the video, like you said it yourself, you didn't even pay attention to what I said. Did I say all his augment is useless? For Reinforcing and Piercing, I said they are not mandatory, but better if you can have them, not hard to understand. You say all his augments are trash, while playing Rhino in a bad way, I specifically mentioned that playing Rhino like this needs you to make up for it, and seems like someone is finding excuses for his bad plays by downplaying his augments, you say you can just recast, and you are exactly those people I sneak dissed in the video.
And it seems that it triggered you.
"I hope you are not one of those people."
Did you think I cannot predict people like you to appear in my comment section? You spend your time to comment and you simply do not have nice things to say. Constructive criticism? Barely any. I only see personal attacks of "kinda tired because of your yapping" and your "criticism" isn't even correct, it just looks like you don't even understand the purpose of the video, at all.
If you don't even understand the video, why even bother commenting something like this.
No offense?
You start the conversation with an offensive verbal attack, and tell me "no offense"? Is that a joke I am too "mediocre" to understand?
-clicks video
-watches less than a quarter of it
-"no offense"
-insults the video creator's humor
-makes claims that could have been debunked just by you actually watching the video
Massive L, my guy
@@amolistic_ Hmm it seems like you take it as hate in the end. Im sorry, I didn't mean to offend you, I thought as Rhino players we do share some thicker skin. I said that Reinforcing and Piercing are simply not worth the mod slot. Any mod is better "if you can have them", that is a very obvious fact, its the comparison to other options that makes the difference between good and bad mods. Because Rhinos kit is so complete as is, increasing your abilities potency through range or strength will yield much stronger results than augments. In the end, even modless Rhino is still an A tier frame, so it barely matters, but we still care.
I read that you are projecting on me that my attention span is annihilated because I critiqued the information density in your video, but honestly you don't need to get that defensive. You called your own commentary "yapping" during the video, I really couldn't guess you would take it as this much offense if I did the same. I have recommended, enjoyed and shared your video to many people, because I like them. I have voiced my appreciation multiple times in the past, I'm sureon comments on your videos too.
Recently, I have enjoyed your video on Melee Afflictions, where you cover an entirely new mechanic in just 15min. Here you spend 24min critiquing another guys Rhino video, which already aligns with most of your and my views.
I get that it may be tempting to insult anothers character as a defense mechanism, but its neither productive nor a good look. Hope you can grow from this, looking forward to your future content
He obv mean that a lot of players that didn't know not you tho , you are Rhino main ofc is no shet , but you have to understand got 99% of rhino players is not investing on rhino and pretend they are playing it right , this is the point he wanna say here , and those rhino player really do mention they "know how to build" meanwhile showing the actual bad result that possibly could
I will respond to you again, just to set the record very straight.
Imagine this:
You start the conversation with "your jokes are kinda mediocre".
You start the conversation with insults. You cannot expect me to have quite the little respect towards you.
You said that there is no valuable information. And you are only 4.5mins in. Video is 24 mins long.
You can't just say "oh I am tired of your yapping" and not expect someone to not be offended by it, and when you comment , you don't even bother watching the whole video. You misinterpreted my meanings and that makes me very sad. You even blantantly lie about the Rhino charge thing by saying I bump into every wall while I only accidentally bump into the wall twice due to personal skill issue.
You said that rhino charge is expensive, without knowing that Rhino charge cost 25, and subsequent cast becomes cheaper, to something like 6.25, with efficiency, this can drop to 1.5625 per cast, at 175 eff.
Does this sound expensive to you?
With what you said, it is a baseless and easily debunked claim.
If you don't understand what is behind, do not comment about it and pretend that you actually know. I was like you before, but I have learned my lesson.
It is also my fault that I didn't include that part that causes such mess, but please, do not lie about something that did not happen in the video.
I am not a thick skin person, sorry. You cannot expect any rhino main to have a thicker skin.
You said that his augments are not worth the slot, but you did not state any reason why, you simply tell me they aren't worth it, and it is the obvious fact.
This is also, a misconception.
Strength only gives you that much, range as well.
Any of these are only minor increasese, after a certain point. It is way better to invest into more power that is outside the intended category. While they are not mandatory because Rhino is functional without mods or augments, but Piercing Roar makes your enemy deal way less damage, and reinforcing stomp makes your skin last extremely, extremely long.
More strength or range don't help you much. You didn't understand why I stated that despite piercing roar and reinforcing stomp is extremely good, they are not mandatory due to Rhino being functional without them, you even bend my meaning by saying that I think they are trash while I spend a lot of time explaining them, not even try to understand what I said, and say my yapping is exhausting to hear. You bend my points to a whole different meaning and spread misinformation in your comments and expect me to not be mad at all?
Wow. You are being very kind here and I should not be defensive at all.
Do you know why I structured like this? I followed the points of Malurth's video, one by one.
You insulted me throughout your comments and think I am going to be nice with you?
Even your first comment, you even said that the bits after 7mins is better than whatever I do at the first 3mins.
Did you know...that 3min part, is the most important part of the video? I had to make that to set the record straight, what you can expect from this video, and the commentor, aka me, you even said I "critique" Malurth's video about Rhino when it is not exactly that. That is not the exact context behind.
I already said, this video is served to extend the points stated by Malurth, further. I even repeat this a few times in the video. 90-95% of what Malurth stated is true, but lacks that advanced knowledge and explanation to convey it better, like why rhino is cracked, he only states that it is because iron skin, roar and nourish, which is just the small gears in the big system.
And so, I extend it further.
You don't have that context and you come to comment...?
And now you said that you are sorry that I take it badly when the whole comment of yours is straight up lies, taking my meaning out of context and making it looks bad and awful, completely makes me look like I am just yapping pointlessly, downplaying the purpose of that first 3 min where the context comes from, why am I capable of because I don't want to sound like I am just doing some baseless yapping and I have the experience to make correct points, saying that my first part of the video has no proper info and insult my joke making ability and say they are mediocre LOUD AND CLEAR when there is no joke at that part, and state that you are tired of my yapping LOUD AND CLEAR, and even at your last first comment you can downplay my efforts into "oh just cast roar, stand still and cast iron skin, not rocket science", proving that you simply didn't get the meaning of the video like you said, and you tell me that you didn't meant to offend me????
Imagine I type all this in your video, how would you react??? You already insulted me through and through, bent my meanings and made me look bad and awful, tarnishing my personality and downplaying all my efforts of the response video, the context behind, and even state that "YOU ARE TIRED OF MY YAPPING", even outright lie about something that doesn't happen in the video!!
Wow. Wow....look at what you typed.
Even if you shared my video, liked my video and appreciated my effort on the melee afflictions video, that is no use already. How can I even be happy about it when this is the comment I saw from you?
You already commented on something this bad and awful, and now you are trying to make yourself look good by saying you appreciated my video, enjoyed and shared my video to many people, do you think it works now? No. Not at all.
Grow up? Says the person who comments something this abysmal and damming. I simply return the favor.
I'm not a nice guy, mind you. You insult me, I insult you back, it is that simple; and I can even say that I am being nice already with what you have said to me.
If you are a grown up, you SHOULD UNDERSTAND that your words mean gold, you bend my meanings, insult me, downplay my efforts, blatantly lie about something in the video that does not happen, misinterpreted my meanings and say you are TIRED of my yapping, LOUD AND CLEAR.
Is this what a grown adult should do? Ask yourself.
You expect me to not be defensive? Ask yourself.
yeah no
get out
Rhino is Broken OP, he can melee, gun or just ability nuke while he Tanks everything, way to versatile. I use silence cause I hate dealing with acolyte and eximus, but any ability work
you can use Rhino Stomp for acolytes, though not for eximus. But generally, you prob want eximus to hit you because the ones that can hit you hard, are the ones that many Rhino players want to abuse to get high skin numbers, like blitz eximus or jade light eximus, but if you don't mind, the subsume works fine, as well.
The rest is cake for Rhino, though if you choose to use silence as your choice of subsume...maybe you can pair it with Piercing Roar + Rhino stomp combo, so that your enemies will be opened to ground finisher + savage silence for huge ground finisher damage (which tends to hit very very hard), if you care to do so.
the same accent from Uncle Roger, its such a good accent
Guess I am uncle Roger at this point 💀 (mfw people said I sound like Uncle Roger)
@@amolistic_ is it that common? Also i tried the Rhino Sunder with Melee Afliction on Glaive, didnt understanded much but i was using (Roar > Sunder Heat > Stomp > Glaive) my Glaive is 0 Forma btw and was killing on Survival Conjunction lv200, Also the Jade Eximus... Holy F
I want to learn how to play rhino, but i dont like the current famous millions hp tank build. Then TH-cam suggest you video to me.
1st impresion of your video:
1. If you are good, no need to hard prove yourself, we will know thru your clips.
2. When you said you make the hp tank meme build to make fun of bad rhino players, you are no different then those "struck gold" players.
3. I feel stress while watching your video afraid that who know one day i will be the one you make fun with "bad rhino player", isnt game supposed to be fun?
4. But i am happy finally i found someone who have different point of view rayher than OMG MILLION HP BROKEN TANK build.
Conclusion after watching your video i feels like i learned something but not really..
I will watch your other videos and learn from you.
P/s: A wise person who shares, not own.
well...its not a guide...like I specifically mentioned that this is a response video... if you want to learn something new, I don't think this video is going to be much, I kind of just keep this as a response, not much guide. Sorry.
1. yes that's true, but my initial thoughts are that people will still doubt me lol, maybe just my fear of getting some annoying haters who want to f** with me.
2. I am just throwing shots at 'them', tbh. I have met players like these so much in my time that I am just sneak dissing them, no need to take it seriously as you are def not one of them...
3. I am not going to diss you for that, calm down, I am just laughing at those who keep saying "RHINO SHOULD 100% BE PLAYED LIKE THIS AND YOUR RHINO BUILD IS BADDDDDDDDD, YOUR RHINO IS TRASHHHHH"
4.Thank you, I guess...
I obviously want to share, but that is for my true guide video, not this one, video is way too short for that specific purpose.
@@amolistic_ @amolistic_ Ya, I think most of the people like me will misunderstood this is a response video and not a guide video. And you mentioned it a few times, sorry about that.
Are you planning to have a proper guide video for rhino covering basic build and some other interesting possibility builds in the future? I did watching some of your clips, unfortunately I am watching from my phone and have to pause everything to read the words haha.
revenant better L
time to get snacks for this video
rhino is cool and all but Nehza can tank too (─‿‿─)
Rly good vid, i love your content and i will go watch more!
Warframe TH-camrs do nothing but copy smaller creators builds and change them a little. Sorta the TH-cam video of copying your friends homework but changing the answers a little so the teacher doesn't notice
thats how the wf content creation space is now, very sadge
@@amolistic_ it's disappointing as hell. Worst part is the first video I made for ripped off too, by someone who I really didn't think would :/
i only use rhino bcoz of his un-nerf roar
Honestly understandable
@@amolistic_ and because of this video of yours, ill sub
Rhino is just an unstoppable force of nature. Insane he has never needed a rework and is still very comfortable in almost any mode or meta with his simple versatile kit
Hi,I like your videos in general, but to be honest without sounding rude, as a new player, the first 10 minutes of the video basically gave me zero info about Rhino and your expertise about him.
If i can, i highly suggest you to try to go straight to the point for your next videos, especially when you have such a good knowledge that you are willing to share.
Thanks for the video anyway and greetings from Italy.
yea i would like to but i am following the formula of the response video to keep it more streamlined, or else I will try to keep this very short lol, doing a 24min video is extremely tiring for me lmao
@@amolistic_ just go short and straight to the point, trust me.
Chroma 🎉
Fucking goated video ❤
nourish rhino is overrated as hell honestly
Bro found out lmao
I do prefer tempest barrage Rhino over Nourish Rhino due to several benefits that is related to build freedom, and just a good by-product of nuking that Rhino can make great use of, due to Roar.
Chroma
Dante and Nezha are better
More attention to this! Rhino is (next to excal) the way the game is meant to be played. Skill based and [block!][Counter!]
won't say it is exactly the way, but he is definitely designed to be like what you said.
Slap roar on nezha and you have a much much better rhino.
Rhino mid.
Malurth is a troll i don't believe that guy is making videos for real considering he made Saryn guide as a SARYN MAIN and dude was crying that spores don't have a damage cap? Then make cope response video lasting 6 minutes where he just copes how it doesn't matter and whatnot, don't waste time on that person. Making guides with no knowledge is...yikes
I do not need to care whether he is actually a troll, or he is just accidentally making a bad take on smth. I only care about what he had stated in this moment, this Rhino video he did. What he has presented to me, in that singular video. If you are right, you are right. If you are wrong, you are wrong.
While there are tons of points that I simply do not agree in his Saryn video, this feeling should not be brought to his Rhino video.
I don't want any bit of personal feelings attached, as it easily breeds prejudice and affects my judgement tremendously, and a response video should be fair and square. Good points are good points, credit where credit is due.
He states good points, and it is generally right, though lack in further knowledge, should I be biased and say, "oh because you make bad takes on that saryn video, your take on Rhino is bad as well"? ABSOLUTELY NO. Anyone who watches that video and saw my response to it, will immediately know that I am biased and let prejudice had the best of me.
nice revisionist history. I said in my saryn vid they have no practical cap as the wiki lists it as 100k and the highest I ever got in mission was still under 24k, and then I expressed doubt that the cap even existed since the wiki was wrong about other Saryn info, as explained earlier in the vid.
then, in a bid to find out if my doubts were correct or the wiki was correct, I tested it myself and posted the results as another vid. the wiki was indeed correct and there is a damage cap of 100k (spoilers); I then reasserted my earlier claim that there is still no practical damage cap since it took lab conditions to come anywhere close to it.
I'm not a troll, you're a clown.
i would actually like this video if I understand your voice. thanks for saying nothing but obvious stuff and talk sh*t about other youtubers.
accent and personal issues but I do have subtitles prepared to combat this problem of mine, which also helps you understand my word...
Dude can't stop laughing this was a joke right? Any build that works for you is the best build for you.. if you are a comedian nice... if you are arrogant here is a life lesson.. if you are having fun playing Rhino with no mods attached at all, you win, you a simply playing the game right. If you are angry playing a perfect build you lost, and you are simply playing games wrong. Have fun!
uhm, do you get the true purpose of the video right? Any build that works for you is the best build for you is true, BUT.
You can't just sugarcoat it with "Just Have fun, if you angy playing a perfect build you lost, and you are simply playing games wrong"
You dodged the question, the purpose of this response video. You don't even try to face the problems that is presented to you. I pointed out the bad and tear the bandage off and show you all of it. Points like "Any build that works for you is the best build for you" don't fix the problem. You are running away from it.
you should use your Chinese accent and be funny with it, like uncle roger
Unfortunately, you are the 4th or 5th person who tells me that I sound like/should be like uncle roger.
(Because he is a Malaysian, too. That's why...)
@@amolistic_ no it is simply because it would be funny. I know what I said might come off racist. It wasn't my intention to be that way towards your content. If I may, instead of thinking me and the other five people have bad intentions maybe we're onto something.
@@TheGadecka i know it wasn't, don't worry lmao, I kinda just don't want to go "haiyaaaa" "walao ehhh" in my video for all of a sudden, you know...
Yes, you all are actually onto something. Never expect that our accent is this recognizable...
(Though The way uncle Roger talks is easy for Native Malaysians to replicate due to our culture and accent, maybe I can try if I find the chance to do so...)