learned something new! I have been spraying my half coat at half trigger , normal distance/speed. 2nd coat full trigger and speed will depend on what my brain feels like doing, wether it be close and fast, or normal speed/distance. I adjust accordingly to what I see with my eyes. Spies is a very forgiving paint system I would say.
@@Spieshecker is that how the clear is applied in this video? The first coat with a half trigger? I Struggle with coat and a half as I tend to either end up with a finish that wants to run or is a little too dry
Hi, when applying the first coat you should use a full trigger but with a closer distance to the object and close the film using a thin closed coat. After that and without flash increase your distance to normal and apply a full finish coat.
@@tristandelbridge4818 hello question for you what is the best mixing ratio for spies hecker 8035 HS clear 2.1 or 3.1.1 struggling with orange peel with the 2.1 mixing ratio 🤔 thanks
HI, Permasolid HS Race Clar Coat 8700 must be applied in 2 single coats with a short intermadiate flash of 2 -5 minutes between coats. Please refere to the TDS for more information on this product. sdstds.spieshecker.com/Doc/TDS/EN/EN%208700A.pdf
I use spies hecker 8007. If i spray it in a 1+half coat the second full coat tend to copy the first half coat leaving with the bad finish of the first one. Also, i notice that if i wait 0 to 2 minutes (as per TDS with the 1 and half process) i get solvent pop and so, i have to wait of a minimum of 10-12 minutes between coats to get a beautiful finish. Is this normal with this clear?
Hi and thanks for the question. 8007 is designed to be used in 1.5 coats and should be applied in a thin but closed coat followed immediately by a full finish coat. Having any open/partially closed areas with the first coat can lead to difficulties in achieving a good flow with the final coat. Applying as recommended in combination with the correct hardener and gun set up should produce a good, from the gun finish. Using too fast a hardener for larger jobs or in the wrong conditions could be the cause of the solvent popping you mention.
Providing you choose the correct gun set up and use the correct inlet pressure it is possible to apply our HS clears in 1.5 coats where recommended. Remember though, don't spray the first coat too heavy, thin and closed is the target followed by a full normal coat.
I spray spies every day of the week. I'm no pro at the 1.5 coats thing but u say first coat close and fast but what i watched u do were two almost identical coats...?
Thanks for taking the time to comment. Maybe the camera does not quite show the subtle differences in the application procedure but the application should be a thin closed coat followed by a full coat at a slightly increased distance to the substrate to produce the finish you are looking for.
Hi sır ....i did use 8330 Clear coat with a ratio of 3:1 with no thinner cause the body shop told me that with no thinner anyway it was great with glossy but too much orange peel......what was the reaso n?i tried everything to lay out the Clear ;i paint it close far but it didnt change....:((((
Permasolid HS Clear Coat 8330 is a product developed for use on commercial vehiles. You do not mention which hardener you are using but given you specify a 3:1 mix ratio I assume it wiould be VHS hardener? This being so you need to add 10 - 15% of a recommendee reducer to achieve the correct ready for use viscosity. Using the clear without thinner means a far too high RFU viscosity leading to the problem (and others) that you describe. Please refer to the TDS for this clear coat for further information sdstds.shcolor.info/Doc/TDS/EN/EN%208330N.pdf
@@Spieshecker @Spies Hecker thx for ur answer i am so glad for ur kindness.....u are right sır it was the reason ;i trust to the body shop cause he insist that the mix had to be without reducer; when i try to find the reason i dıd check the Info of 8330 and it was written i had to add 10-15% of reducer:)))ohh my god it was very hard to sand it out....one question sir; u dıd write that 8330 is a product developed for commercial vehicles....Mercedes e ,BMW are they commercial vehicles or whats the meaning of commercial vehicles????
Hi thanks again for your question. Commercial vehicles are Trucks, Busses, Trailers, etc. So 8330 is actual developed for larger surfaces, meeting the needs and demands of bodyshops repairing commercial vehicles (CV).
Hi, to be honest I do not know which clear you are using but with our EU products our inlet pressure depending on the clear is normally 1.8 - 2 bar (2 bar equates to 29psi)...
Hi, it eally depends upon the particular Permasolid HS Clear Coat you are using and with which hardener technology. Please refer to the TDS's for guidance on mixing and application
Hi, no I use a full trigger but a closer distance and faster speed for the first coat to give me athin closed film. This makes application of the full coat somewhat easier as I do not need to overload it.
Prior to the clearcoat application try the fan on a piece of masking paper to get the optimal fan-shape. Indeed, sometimes, but no always, the side-pressure on Iwata supernova have to be reduced a little bit to avoid squeezed center area.
We do not normally give out such data but it is safe to say in excess of 50%. The important thing to consider is that 8035 when used as described in the TDS is fully CVOC Compliant in the EU and is below 420g/lt.
VHS Hardener have a higher solid and reactive ingredient content than HS hardeners which is why there are differnces in mixing ratios where both can be used with the same base product i.e. 8035 is mixed 2:1 with HS but 3:1 with VHS (plus reducer in the case of VHS to achieve the correct RFU viscosity)
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learned something new! I have been spraying my half coat at half trigger , normal distance/speed. 2nd coat full trigger and speed will depend on what my brain feels like doing, wether it be close and fast, or normal speed/distance. I adjust accordingly to what I see with my eyes. Spies is a very forgiving paint system I would say.
Thanks for the comments, nice to know we have helped.
@@Spieshecker is that how the clear is applied in this video? The first coat with a half trigger? I Struggle with coat and a half as I tend to either end up with a finish that wants to run or is a little too dry
Hi, when applying the first coat you should use a full trigger but with a closer distance to the object and close the film using a thin closed coat. After that and without flash increase your distance to normal and apply a full finish coat.
@Spies Hecker what is the best mixing ratio would you prefer 2.1 or 3.1.1
@@tristandelbridge4818 hello question for you what is the best mixing ratio for spies hecker 8035 HS clear 2.1 or 3.1.1 struggling with orange peel with the 2.1 mixing ratio 🤔 thanks
Thanks for the info. I need the paint suit. Where can I get one like that one. Thanks again.
thank you for the information i use 8180 awesome product
Great to hear! Thank you!
Nice tips
Hi iam gojng to paint my ford focus mk3 front bumper with base coat paint and clear coat paint 3 coats for base and 2 or 3 for clear coat paint
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Hello! Is spies 8700 applicable for the 1.5 coat application with minimal flash off In between coats?
HI, Permasolid HS Race Clar Coat 8700 must be applied in 2 single coats with a short intermadiate flash of 2 -5 minutes between coats. Please refere to the TDS for more information on this product. sdstds.spieshecker.com/Doc/TDS/EN/EN%208700A.pdf
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I use spies hecker 8007. If i spray it in a 1+half coat the second full coat tend to copy the first half coat leaving with the bad finish of the first one.
Also, i notice that if i wait 0 to 2 minutes (as per TDS with the 1 and half process) i get solvent pop and so, i have to wait of a minimum of 10-12 minutes between coats to get a beautiful finish.
Is this normal with this clear?
Hi and thanks for the question. 8007 is designed to be used in 1.5 coats and should be applied in a thin but closed coat followed immediately by a full finish coat. Having any open/partially closed areas with the first coat can lead to difficulties in achieving a good flow with the final coat. Applying as recommended in combination with the correct hardener and gun set up should produce a good, from the gun finish. Using too fast a hardener for larger jobs or in the wrong conditions could be the cause of the solvent popping you mention.
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Ok that was 2 coats. I have used iwata for clear and never could use it with the fan fully open. You must be a magician
Providing you choose the correct gun set up and use the correct inlet pressure it is possible to apply our HS clears in 1.5 coats where recommended. Remember though, don't spray the first coat too heavy, thin and closed is the target followed by a full normal coat.
@@Spieshecker i have the 1.5 coats down. My 3000 rp 1.3 works best for me over my 5000 1.2rp
Spraygun choice is a personal, the important thing is that you are using the correct set up and getting the result you want.
I spray spies every day of the week. I'm no pro at the 1.5 coats thing but u say first coat close and fast but what i watched u do were two almost identical coats...?
Thanks for taking the time to comment. Maybe the camera does not quite show the subtle differences in the application procedure but the application should be a thin closed coat followed by a full coat at a slightly increased distance to the substrate to produce the finish you are looking for.
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Hi sır ....i did use 8330 Clear coat with a ratio of 3:1 with no thinner cause the body shop told me that with no thinner anyway it was great with glossy but too much orange peel......what was the reaso n?i tried everything to lay out the Clear ;i paint it close far but it didnt change....:((((
Permasolid HS Clear Coat 8330 is a product developed for use on commercial vehiles. You do not mention which hardener you are using but given you specify a 3:1 mix ratio I assume it wiould be VHS hardener? This being so you need to add 10 - 15% of a recommendee reducer to achieve the correct ready for use viscosity. Using the clear without thinner means a far too high RFU viscosity leading to the problem (and others) that you describe. Please refer to the TDS for this clear coat for further information sdstds.shcolor.info/Doc/TDS/EN/EN%208330N.pdf
@@Spieshecker @Spies Hecker thx for ur answer i am so glad for ur kindness.....u are right sır it was the reason ;i trust to the body shop cause he insist that the mix had to be without reducer; when i try to find the reason i dıd check the Info of 8330 and it was written i had to add 10-15% of reducer:)))ohh my god it was very hard to sand it out....one question sir; u dıd write that 8330 is a product developed for commercial vehicles....Mercedes e ,BMW are they commercial vehicles or whats the meaning of commercial vehicles????
Hi thanks again for your question. Commercial vehicles are Trucks, Busses, Trailers, etc. So 8330 is actual developed for larger surfaces, meeting the needs and demands of bodyshops repairing commercial vehicles (CV).
Im starting to have a hard time all of the sudden im spraying at 20psi and running or having a lot of orange peel
Hi, to be honest I do not know which clear you are using but with our EU products our inlet pressure depending on the clear is normally 1.8 - 2 bar (2 bar equates to 29psi)...
can I spray it without reducer?
Hi, it eally depends upon the particular Permasolid HS Clear Coat you are using and with which hardener technology. Please refer to the TDS's for guidance on mixing and application
Is the half coat half trigger ?
Hi, no I use a full trigger but a closer distance and faster speed for the first coat to give me athin closed film. This makes application of the full coat somewhat easier as I do not need to overload it.
Is it the same aplication for 8055
Yes it is although 8055 can also be used in 2 coats with an intermediate flash off if desired.
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Full fan on a iwata supernova?
Prior to the clearcoat application try the fan on a piece of masking paper to get the optimal fan-shape. Indeed, sometimes, but no always, the side-pressure on Iwata supernova have to be reduced a little bit to avoid squeezed center area.
Wow..!
Is that like 35 psi?
Application pressure should between 26 and 32 psi.
How much percent High Solids does Spies Hecker have
Please could you expand a little on your question?
@@Spieshecker . how much percent High Solids does 8035 clear has
We do not normally give out such data but it is safe to say in excess of 50%. The important thing to consider is that 8035 when used as described in the TDS is fully CVOC Compliant in the EU and is below 420g/lt.
@@Spieshecker what is the difference between VHS hardner and a Hs hardner for Clear coat
VHS Hardener have a higher solid and reactive ingredient content than HS hardeners which is why there are differnces in mixing ratios where both can be used with the same base product i.e. 8035 is mixed 2:1 with HS but 3:1 with VHS (plus reducer in the case of VHS to achieve the correct RFU viscosity)
What pressure are you using it at?
Hi, thanks for the question. I have set the gun at 2 bar inlet pressure (approx 29psi).
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I will pass your comment to our Asian team.
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In the future, I hope that I will take part in the Spies Hecker training held in Indonesia