Who Built Göbekli Tepe?
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- The conventional view is that hunter-gatherers from a wide region built Göbekli Tepe when they converged there for seasonal rituals, but some people claim that they would not have had the technology or know-how to accomplish that. This has led to fanciful claims that Göbekli Tepe's builders were disciples of some lost Pleistocene civilization, or even extraterrestrials. However, the most plausible scenario is that Göbekli Tepe's builders were Neolithic villagers who resided at the site.
If you're interested in the theories that claim that Göbekli Tepe has something to do with a lost civilization, or even extraterrestrials, you might want to check out my other video that deals with this:
• Pseudoarchaeology
As so many of the comments here focused on the "handbags" on Pillar 43, I have since made a video on that specific topic:
• The "Handbags" of Göb...
And here's the article I published on the site in 2011:
www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi...
And another article in which I review more recent developments about the site:
www.degruyter.com/document/do...
And here's an article that critiques Hancock's theory of a pre-Holocene civilization, with an emphasis on Göbekli Tepe:
www.skeptic.com/reading_room/...
People underestimate how smart the early humans were. If they made everything out of wood and natural materials. Not much of their heavy construction technology would survive. Anything that did could easily be mistaken for the support beam to a building. When it may have been an arm to a lever system for moving large rocks and logs.
You're quite right. When you consider that it's non-controversial that many Pleistocene flintknappers had very advanced design concepts with regard to planning their tool-making, why should we think it was any different when they made things of wood and other perishable materials?
Look at how a Norman castle was built with all it complexity. Maybe 2000 years later nonetheless nobody claims bloody aliens but them.
NO. It was the.. ANNUNAKI who built it. Possibly for their experiments
@@JohnSmith-em4gk don’t be silly
Hunter gatherers would normally not have free time to create art. Art is almost always a sign of cultures advanced enough to have a lot of free time. That does not usually equate to hunter/gatherers. Though they may have supplemented supplies with hunting and gathering they most likely had some agriculture and husbandry as well.
it always surprises me, that archeologists first think of temples. There are plenty of places where people live or lived in round houses, Africa all over, and thinking also of the Navajo. It even looks like some had benches on the outer walls. And how easily it would be covered with straw. Halfway dug out they would be cool in summer and warm in winter. This reasoning demonstrates how it all fits together - it is a village. No temples needed.
I agree
it was a temple in a village,a temple is sacred,it has to be protected against other hords,it took much hard work,so you never leave it alone,and go half a year hunting,the archäologists problem?there is this superintelligent professor who developed the first theory,and never speak against him,press all this new found stuff into this theory,and never the opposite way,thats their religion,handicaped brains
Thats cuz they cant believe we had civilizations before modern religions
Why did they do it? Why did any of the people around the world spend so much time and effort on building enormous stone structures? Why was Gobekli buried?
Hey, the Archeologists at the lab aren't concerned with "Why?" and you shouldn't be either.
Why did we go to the moon?.. Why do we build skyscrapers?.. Cathedrals?..
@@GlenLake Why did the aliens carve common animals in the rocks?.. Why did the aliens leave some rocks in the quarry looking like primitive people carved them?.. Why would the advanced civilization leave stone tools laying all over the place?.. If most were as intelligent as you are they might not have been able to carve stones and move them... heh...
In history Monuments , temples and other important staples in a cultures were destroyed , or buried by other nations to erase history or to make there's the only one.
You make a good point. But as far as aliens are concerned a. I never mentioned them and b. out of the 5 greys levitating in my living room, 4 of them agree that they like animals.@@flipflopski2951
The main problem most archeologists have is considering the landscape and the climate thousands of years in the past. It is well documented many parts of the world were huge old growth forests as recently as 300 years ago. It is now well understood the Sahara desert used to be green and also populated with both humans and animals. There can be no doubt the area around Gobekli Tepe was well forested, abundant in wild life and with permanent running water. The hills would have been a lot higher than they are now and it was only due to deforestation and prolonged rainfall that caused landslides or a " Mudflood" to bury all the settlements. The carvings on the pillars are evidence that the area was teeming with wildlife, animals of all descriptions and a huge variety of water birds. It must have been close to being a " Garden of Eden"
I think archaeologists have a far better understanding of all that stuff than you're giving them credit for
Archaeologists do study the ancient environments around sites, and in the case of Göbekli Tepe the charcoal shows that there must have been forests around the site, with oak, ash, and other trees. And of course the animal bones also show that there was a lot of wildlife.
Geology doesn't move that quickly. Those hills are not appreciably smaller now than they were just 11,500 years ago. The weather changed, not the lay of the land.
I believe it was a hunting lodge ( that’s what we’d call it today)…. Where men gather & boast of their hunting prowess….I believe they had saunas,warm pools & feasts, yes I do.
The ‘ handbags’ were kite traps , you can see the animals falling into them.
There was lots of wild life, all kinds of animals, I think it was also a tourist/ pilgrimage site & used for trade of all kinds.
But then that’s just me
Hey Antarctica was a plush, green Oasis while the USA and canada were under 100s of feet of ice (younger dryas)
He talks about the images on the rocks as being carved. Yet these are raised images, ie the whole surface face of the sides of the pillars was removed, leaving the images raised off the surface. I wonder how they did that with the tools they had back then.
Yes, I’ve done this myself on stone, it’s called carving in ‘relief’ and takes a ton more work than just engraving.
@thegreatest3303 On this scale, and what tools did you use?
No question that this would be time-consuming. They'd have to rough out the area where they want to depict, say, a fox, then remove at least 1 cm of rock from the surface surrounding it by pecking with stone hammers or chisels, and then use flat grinding stones to "sand" the surface smooth. Sculptors do this all the time and the only difference here is that, unlike modern sculptors, these one didn't have any metal tools. But their stone ones were pretty effective nonetheless.
that is a very interesting observation...those figures were not carved into the stone...the stone was carved around them a very laborious task! great observation.
I think they are casted with mud left over from floods...thats how the H stones of puma pumku were made
What about the numerous off-coast underwater structures/cities all over the world that were built when sea level was 30 metres lower...a very long time ago.
I expect to be discussing some of those in a future video on climate change and archaeology. The known ones are not cities, but there are Neolithic villages that are now submerged, as well as hunter-gatherer campsites, in parts of the continental shelf submerged in the early Holocene after the largest glacial sheets melted.
@@thearchaeologistslaborator6591 I need a video on this!!
I did finally finish that video on climate change and archaeology a few weeks ago: th-cam.com/video/AGfGiacyEyU/w-d-xo.html I might make another one related to this later this year.
Everybody is reading the wrong material. What is keenly evident from the monumental incredulousness over the last eight years is that I have come across the seemingly novel understanding in context of our past. I am astonished, after ~50 years of autodidactic research, that Anthropologists are clueless as to what I am talking about! Even Mythologists must be under a spell because the record clearly tells a whole different story than they conceive. It is alike being trapped in The Twilight Zone episode; Eye of the Beholder, wherein the scientific consensus is fixated on fairy tale inner dragons and the iconic bull symbol is about regenerative virility! Mankind is in the kitten eyes closed phase our our own traditions, every year they come to your door asking the thirteen millennia question! I guess I will have to write another book spelling it all out just for posterity, hopefully someday humans will get it.
Half of the bones found at that site were of Aurochs, at Sircali Tepe there was found a grave with two bovine scapula placed over it, the 'fox' on Pillar 18 is a Fire Fox / Dragon (there is a depiction of it aflame.), the T-pillars are the Hammers of the Gods, Pillar 18 is the Sun standing domineeringly on top of the symbol of the Pleiades (A row of seven birds.), Pillar 31 with a bucranium on its chest, and the two are surrounded with the twelve Constellations, the Tas Tepeler People were well aware of our most recent adversary, The Taurid Meteor Stream. It is the Ancient New Year of The Festival of the Dead when crossing the pre-perihelion of said stream that was five to six days of expected doom, The Days without Name, The Unlucky Days added to the 360 day year. It is Universal in Comparative Mythology with just about every culture pointing to the Pleiades, the radiant, as the causation of The Ages / Suns of Man. Still commemorated when the Halloween Fireballs (The Taurids) fall!
Everyone does not understand this, but they did, does that make them more 'advanced'? The Taurid Meteor Stream wasn't 'known' till Dr. Fed Whipple's work in 1950!
The top of that one stone reveals the likeness of 3 purse’s. I seem to remember that there are a multitude of hieroglyphics in Egypt showing figures carrying exactly the same shape of item in their hands. Beyond a coincidence.
Not to mention the exact same bags depicted in ancient Mesoamerica.
Those might be weights.
Don't forget sumer as well.
I noticed those too. If they were in Egypt, Tigris/Euphrates, and in the Americas, that poses new questions about the mobility of ancient human societies.
Seems like I'll have to do a future video on those "handbags," since so many people have commented on them. In my opinion, they may actually be pictures of the buildings themselves, with the "handle" representing the roof. But there are other possible interpretations and probably I should review them.
Interesting....... You stole my thoughts!😄From what I have learned about the sites I have come to exactly the same conclusions. I've even questioned about the roofing while everone was still in an 'open air' mode and now it's become more or less mainstream. For me it was quite obvious because there is no weather wear on the pillars and that certainly would have been the case if they were out in the open. I am quite sure that in general we underestimate our own forefathers grossly because they hadn't invented writing yet. It would be interesting if we could work out what the depictions all meant for those people. I do suspect it's some kind of story telling, but we don't have the references anymore. I find it a very fascinating periode; the transition from the old hunter gatherer ways to a more 'sedentary' lifestyle. All in all it's a well done video!
Thanks. Another reason they must have been roofed, which I mentioned in my 2011 article, is that the buildings are cut into the bedrock, apparently with no drains. Without a roof, they'd fill with rainwater.
Great video 👍. I really enjoyed it! Thank you!
Thanks. I appreciate it.
The map showing other sites I found exciting. More for us to investigate and study. Really interesting. Thank you.
Yes. I look forward to a great deal more information in the next few years that will improve our understanding of this amazing culture.
What about the handbags found all over the world and time????
yes 20,000 years ago!
Same question here!
They are a representation or portable temple of worship. Bag represents the earth and heavens, which are seen as the mother and father deities. The two big pillars facing each other is another way to represent them.
Could be a representation of lots of things. Drugs. Seeds. Hell it might just be a bag to hold someone's ancient sex toy and nothing more. This is why I like this kind of stuff. I'd like to know but we probably never will.
the sumerian ,,bags,,?the sumerian gods wear wings to conquer the sky,they holded diving weights to conquer the sea,read gilgamesh,g dived down the ocean,took off his weights and found the plant off eternity.
this ,,bags,,are something different ,no reason for their unsymetric shape
He doesn't address the evidence of more than one stage of building, the filled in walls made of small stones being likely built at a much later stage than the large dressed pillars which were retrofitted with the walls. I recall that there is also some evidence of reused stones which had previously been carved being used in what would be inappropriate positions more like fill than high status stones.
I think it's much more complicated than he suggests.
Excellent presentation one only has to look back at the canal builders from 150 years ago and realise that well organised work parties can achieve huge building projects successfully.
Great post Ty!
Thank you. Very interesting analysis. Just subscribed.
Thanks and welcome. I hope to get some more out soon.
There is no mystery... the people who lived there built it.
I agree
thank you for summarising the archeological literature into a comprehensive video, i really enjoy this type of videos on specific sites
Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Did these structures have any fortifications? Did they need any?
No. None of the very early Neolithic sites in SW Asia have fortifications, and they are also rare after that until you get to the Early Bronze Age. A few later Neolithic site do have enclosure walls (e.g., Maghzaliya, Tell as-Sawwan). We don't have a lot of evidence for inter-community violence in the Neolithic either, although that doesn't rule it out completely. By the later Neolithic, maces (pierced stones about the size of a tennis ball, that would be mounted on a handle) began to appear, and these were likely interpersonal weapons as well as badges of prestige.
Looking at the size of the megaliths,one would assume that they would load bearing to carry a large roof structure capable of entrapping large animals through the roof.
I agree that these buildings were roofed, but not for use as animal traps. Probably as houses. They had better ways to catch or kill animals.
not on the top of ahill....
The simple fact is everyone is guessing about who built it and why, everyone has a theory but no one actually knows anything about it, they have opinions, which they’re entitled to. I do know it’s older than 11 thousand years old and it was purposely buried, apart from that I don’t have a clue who built it and nor does anyone else, though it seems that hasn’t stopped people from claiming they do.
The people who lived there built it... Case solved!
Explain your dating method...
The latest research data shows the the theory of it being intentionally buried is no longer supported by the evidence, which shows it was gradually covered by natural processes over a long time. Sediments, seeds, pollen, insects, preserved in the soil have been dated to within the 11,000 year age of the site and also show that they were deposited at different times, hundreds and thousands of years apart.
@@flipflopski2951i like to take a girl out to a favorite food joint. Then we hit the lake front to watch the sunset, and to just appreciate the beauty of the water coming and going... This is about as close to me figuring out gobekli tepe as anyone else i feel. 😂
@@RepubliKING Carved stones aren't that hard to figure out... try figuring out your cell phone... maybe aliens made it.
I think we dont give humanity enough credit. Art and engineering has always been advanced despite the cave man mentality portrayed. Hunter gatherer terminology equates to simple minded for some reason.
Marvel at the rennaisance, the pantheon and parthenon, but then somehow question the pyramids, easter island, and this? Cmon... give us a little more credit.
Perhaps our advanced modern science is more powerful at engineering 'definitions' than in the past.
A hunter gatherers "site" (let alone dozens of them) is a complete oxymoron.
Why? Archaeologists excavated hunter-gatherer sites all the time. And ethnographers have also studied ones still being used in the 20th century, in places like Namibia and Brazil. When we're lucky, we even find traces of their huts, but mostly we find traces of campfires, along with stone tools and animal bones.
I like this. And there were HOW MANY of these "hunter-gatherer sites" making up an interwoven, civilized, regional, multi-site, overlapping... society? Is... is that what they're selling? A Hunter-Gatherer Civilization. Cute. And, oxymoronic. 🤣
Nobody said anything about the hunter-gatherer sites being part of an "interwoven, civilized, regional, multi-site, overlapping ... Civilization". And I don't see what is oxymoronic about hunter-gatherers having "sites." Sites are just places with concentrations of artifacts and sometimes features from the hunter-gatherers camping there. Not at all mysterious.
Wasn't the definition changed? Due to the findings of these sites? Somehow they were not included in the same group as the pyramid builders.
hunter gatheres?look at this pillars with the snakes,one side 5 snakes,on the other side a ram,and?a herd off sheep.
compare the heads off the snakes,off the woman and off the sheep,they only tell you bs,because they like sensations to get money
That's what that mysterious bag is for.. SEEDS! The knowledge of agriculture. I finally figured it out 😃😁
That's what I thought.
Consider the possibility that those things aren't purses.
And yes…. Seeds and much more.
You may be onto something. And perhaps it may be symbolic as in the seeds of knowledge that were to be spread throughout mankind. Perhaps the bearers were those Messengers responsible for spreading the knowledge. Just a thought.
@@mapep it’s good to be open. I am sorry if I was a bit harsh fellow traveler. If you care to converse with a voice I am open to all knowledge given and respect all seekers.
It's extremely important to notice two things when considering Göpekli Tepe:
1) that 95% of the site remains deliberately unexcavated. how can one possibly estimate the age or the purpose of the site, if we have only ever seen 5% of it? and the fact that despite of it being the oldest megalithic site in the wolrd the archaeologists just refuse to dig the site prove an agenda to keep the secrets of the site hidden. there' simply no other reason. and yet they insist they know when it was built and by what level of civilization based on that mere 5% which already contradict their idea.
2) the two distinctly different construction styles present at the site: the massive megalithic building style with the protruding animal carvings, and the distinctly primitive small round block style which the walls are built with. there's exactly zero reason to assume these two styles were built at the same time or by the same people, or by a same level civilization. return back to number 1).
1) You're of course right that only a tiny portion of the site is excavated, but I don't know why you assume this is deliberate or that archaeologists have stopped digging. In fact, the excavations continue, and are turning up new evidence all the time. However, more than enough evidence is already available for us to date the site at least roughly. The dating will become more refined as work continues. 2) No one is saying that the two (actually three) styles of architecture are contemporary, although they could overlap. In fact, the "Level II" structures are clearly later than the big "Level III" ones because they overlie them in some places, and they contain artifacts that are clearly from a later phase of the Neolithic. However, all of these buildings are Neolithic and associated with typical Neolithic artifacts and the bones of animals that Neolithic people hunted.
@@thearchaeologistslaborator6591 a decade complete cease of digging on a site that was already being excavated before the old director passed away is absolutely deliberate. and no, 5% of the site excavated does not give you enough evidence for even rough estimation of the site's original construction date or who originally constructed it. especially since the RCD doesn't date stone or construction, and the surrounding biological data has been only arbitrarily connected to the megaliths. also the artifacts or any evidence of living does not suggest the builder people. it's another entirely arbitrary connection based on zero scientific evidence or logic. hunter gatherers do not build megaliths and this does not change by merely finding hunter gather presence from a megalithic site. it proves they lived at the site, but that's as far as it takes. hunter gatherers would not have the technology, the expertise, the resources or the workforce to construct megalithic sites, and this remains a good reason to believe the hunter gatherers didn't originally build the site. no scientific evidence has changed this anywhere.
I'm sorry, but you're just wrong about this. The site has actively been excavated over the last decade, and the new excavations continue to produce new evidence. I summarize some of the new findings in my article in Open Archaeology (www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/opar-2022-0317/html). And you apparently missed my point - I explicitly concluded in the video that the site's builders were NOT hunter-gatherers. They were Neolithic villagers.
@@thearchaeologistslaborator6591you are lying. it hasn't been excavated since the passing of Schmidt. and since you can't make reliable conclusions based on mere 5% of the site, your conclusion is worthless whatever it is.
Graham Hancock makes it clear he is a journalist only asking questions. Many of Hankock's questions about ancient man and his megaliths have been proven true by archeologists. What hasn't been proven yet is the civilizations that lived along the ocean's shore, like we do today, that was sunk under hundreds of feet of the rising ocean 11,000 years ago. The question not answered yet is why were these ancient sites buried by the people who built these megaliths?
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Graham Hancock is a charlatan who doesn't know his arse from his elbow.
@@bhannah0224 _Many of Hankock's questions about ancient man and his megaliths have been proven true by archeologists._
Please show at least _one_ example.
not buried by people.....buried by the waves of mud and muck in the flood 12K years ago that is what buried these structures just like in peru and bolivia those structures had to be excavated from layers of mud/dirt.
_Many of Hankock's questions about ancient man and his megaliths have been proven true by archeologists._
Please show at least one example.
Whoever built the megalithic structures were using more than copper chisels and stone hammers. It was done with some kind of high technology.
Nope... only rocks... no spacemen needed.
Many people have used stone tools experimentally, and Heyerdahl documented modern Easter Islanders carving a big statue with stone hammers. It works just fine. You can even drill holes in granite with wooden tubes as long as you use wet sand as the abrasive.
@flipflopski2951 high tech doesn't instantly mean aliens bro why do you people always bring that up in places where's its not brought up????
@@TheAverageGamer1 Because "high tech" infers always some kind of technology coming from the outside of the cultures at hand. And it makes no difference at all if you stated those outside influence came from "advanced high tech civilisation", from aliens or from the almighty spaghetti monster.
The plain and simple means at hand are demonstrated to be sufficient by experimental archaeology countless times.
@@TheAverageGamer1 Because that's what is implied... and since there is absolutely no evidence of the high technology I assume the space aliens took it back home with them.
Wasn’t it supposedly rebuilt and buried up to 50 times through out the eons?
That's not exactly right. As at most large, complex Neolithic sites, there was nearly constant repair, renovation, and sometimes demolition and rebuilding, in this case with far more than 50 episodes, probably. But that's not the same as completely rebuilding the site 50 times. And the burial mostly results from the debris from demolition and refuse disposal.
And not to forget, this is in the middle of an earthquake zone. As the recent earthquake in southern Turkey reminds us of. I don't know of any research that has been done about the history of earthquakes in the area, but they surely happened in the past also. In fact I quite suspect that a really massive earthquake in the area might have been the reason why these sites were ultimately abandoned. That would also account for all the debris and demolition found on these sites.
I want to know what a “very long time” is to cut, Hilda and move all these massive structures would be.
If you're referring to the Easter Island/Rapa Nui ones, you might want to check out Thor Heyerdahl's book, Aku Aku. I don't have it handy, but I think he estimated that a team of about 6 men could carve a statue in about a year, based on the amount of work they got done in a certain number of days, but I also forget how many hours per day they worked on it. Erecting a large statue with levers and rocks only took 2 or 3 days, as I recall. But you should check it to get more accurate details.
Well stated !!!
Thanks
Very good presentation. Tank you.
Thank you too! I'm glad you liked it.
Do you think the stones had a wooden housing with a roof or were they standing alone?
As I argue later in the video, I think the pillars supported wooden roof beams and a roof, possibly a thatched roof.
Graham Hancock agreed that the structure was backfilled. This is impossible as the older material was found at the bottom of the structure, obviously the the older material should be at the top. This could only happen if remains of carcasses were placed on the roof and eventually when the roof collapsed the older material would be at floor level.
No, the deeper you go the older it gets, exactly as it should be.
it was not back filled....when the great flood happened Gobekli was mud filled same as tijuanco and puma punku! and many other sites great mud floods were created that just washed over cities and constructions.
@@JJ33438strange how every standing stone is still in place then? I do believe in the great flood, caused by a pole shift, causing the polar ice to melt, but I don’t accept this mud flood stuff.
Actually, they're not all standing in place. Many of them are broken or fallen over. And some of them were moved in ancient times.
14:17 is this actually a wheeled vehicle - I mean is the man in the driver position holding a steering wheel?? In 1915, on a remote island with its population still living like before discovery? A similar image is to be found on Wikipedia, for Nias Island
You have a sharp eye. I can't say what that thing is in his hands, but I don't expect it's a steering wheel. And the stone is on a sledge (much like a giant tobaggan or sled, made of logs), that they'd drag across the ground. I don't think there are any wheels below it.
I shall answer the profound question. I BUILT IT. Yes friends I had a few hours of time so I felt the desire to construct it, carve into it and then bury it. I was gonna come back to it later but they found it.
I had no idea it was you. Dragon, you dog!
Could academics record how to actually walk a tall statue like in the animation? Why hasn’t it been done? Academics ideations and thoughts are past- based. Prediction is as useful as saying it was extraterrestrial visitors who helped them.
So many have moved on.
It has been done you just didn't look. Too busy being a comments expert.
@@flipflopski2951- It takes one to know one.
@@flipflopski2951Err... nope. Not in any way sufficiently demonstrating excavating, prepping, moving (sometimes a considerable way over un-pathed multi-terrain multi-altitude locations), carving, placing, and maintaining multi-ton megaliths on most continents and many island nations. Not even close. Maybe stick to commenting and not research.
@@bswantner2 So primitive people were unable to makepaths?.. or navigate "multi-terrain" or "multi-altitudes"?.. or carve stones... how did we end up with cars and cell phones... did the aliens do that too?
Gobekli Tepe was built by the watchers & is contemporary with the garden of Eden in the Rachaiya basin near Damascus & in the shadow of Mt Hermon in the Lebanon.
Well, some sources claim about the ancient Vedic civilazation presente in that area on the way back to Europe from Caucaso's territories. One of the proofs could be the calendar representing Vedic interpretation of eras
All that building and stuff and not one watering can, SMH
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They were to incompetent to admit it ,that is a advanced culture and is over 10,000 years old just like Egypt
"assumption about the Hunter-Gatherers' Abilities"
No one say tha they were dumb, the argument here is the if you are not grow your own food it take too much time from your day to build any significant
As in another comment here, there's actually plenty of ethnographic documentation that hunter-gatherers studied in the 20th century had more leisure time than most of us have. They are not constantly searching for food.
@@thearchaeologistslaborator6591 sure, I suggest u to grab a bow and some arrows and go for survive in the wild for a month and pls let me know how many book u had time to finish😂
@@tamasvarga6673 I'm not saying that I could do that. But people who grew up as hunter-gatherers were very efficient, managed to find their food in a couple of hours, and had lots of time for leisure. Check out Lee & Devore's book, Man the Hunter, or Marshall Sahlins's Stone Age Economics.
@@tedbanning9090 Those aren't regularly carved pillars. Relief carving is the most difficult and labor intensive kind. It must have taken many generations, retained knowledge, untethered hunter-gatherers specializing in excavating, prepping, moving, carving, placing and maintaining these megalithic multi-ton sculptures/symbolic knowledge containers/structural columns that are repeated all throughout their overlapping "civilization". Seems like a true stretch, regardless of free time.
Di you read....Urantia book??
How to maintain academic dogma, and ignore scientific method:
1. Mainstream Archeologist POV: Hunter gatherers did NOT have technology to build advanced things. Therefore, X.
2. Gobekli Tepe found, contradicting all mainstream archaeology theories.
3. Mainstream Archeologist POV: Hunter gatherers DID have technology to build ancient structures. Therefore, Y.
4. Repeat ad nauseam, to keep accepted theories viable, until contradicting evidence is found, yet again.
Actually, the scientific method precisely involves improving our understanding of things in the light of new evidence. There's no question that discovery of Göbeki Tepe has altered many archaeologists' thinking about early Neolithic societies, and new interpretations are arising all the time as more evidence comes out of that site and some others in its neighbourhood. And the technology required is not as advanced as you and many others seem to think it is. Prehistoric people were well acquainted with levers and how to use them.
There is so much more that points to tech they had that we don’t know about other then moving of the stones….this guys point was spot on about how the mainstream conveniently all of a sudden says that it was within their ability when they always said it wasn’t just to keep their theory’s alive. It’s like being proven wrong and then saying “oh I never said that” to fit you new narrative in that contradicts a new understanding that was founded not by you, the mainstream.
OK. But then I challenge you to show me a single archaeological article, in a mainstream archaeology journal, that ever said that hunter-gatherers were not capable of moving stones around. This is a "dogma" that people like Hancock have invented and attributed to archaeologists who never said such things. Granted, really old-time ones, like back in the 30s, assumed that it was only "civilizations" of the Bronze Age and later that built things like this, but that's just because the only evidence they had at the time pointed that way. Archaeologists respond to evidence, and adjust their theories accordingly. That's just scientific method.
Most megalithic structures were built by stone age hunter-gatherers that worked 9-5 and did a bit of unprecedented architectural engineering in the evenings to pass the time.
Thanks you Graham Hancock. I never knew you before i heard your name off this person..
Has dragging the stones during winter been considered?
As far as I'm aware, no one has discussed that option, but it's a good idea.
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Snow? There?
They might have adapted the same skill of dragging their hunt during winter to dragging heavy stones in winter.
I’m on the search for an article, or researcher, that has explored this idea.
Today, the Urfa district doesn't get much snow, but it does happen occasionally, especially on high ground, as at Göbekli. I'm not sure how often it would have snowed during the PPNA.
Since the dates follow the end of the last ice age, there may have been enough cold weather to freeze the surface.
Please let me know of any research that has looked into the winter activity of neolithic, or earlier, people.
I think the phrase "affluent Hunter-Gathers" would describe them best, they weren't farmers, but they were gathering large quantities of wild wheat and barely, they may also have been keeping the wild version of goats, (maybe pigs in some places) in tight pens or cages which would have allowed them to live a semi-settled lifestyle, they would have utilized any area of abundant game and wild grain and built places like this, and yes, hunter-gathers could build stone structures (or at least these hunter-gathers could and did)
I mostly agree. However, while they might have kept wild goats, they probably did not keep pigs, and certainly not chickens. Chickens were only domesticated in SE Asia, and much later in time. The earliest chicken bones that archaeologists find in the Middle East are many millennia later. The imagery does suggest that they probably hunted ducks and other waterfowl.
i got a little carried away, lol@@thearchaeologistslaborator6591
At your 1.45 minutes i see that one of the stone pillars has a hole drilled into it.
Good eye. Yes, several of the pillars have either holes about the diameter you'd expect of a wooden beam, and at least one has a groove along the top, possibly also to accommodate a beam
@thearchaeologistslaborator6 Well what do you make of the recent findings of ancient pottery being sculpted within less then a thousand of an inch all around with sacred geometry measurements. I suppose your bias of no ancient technology existing would have you conjur up some crazy method like in your video here of people “walking” the statue across vast distances with hills and crevices.
It took the most sophisticated technology to be able to measure that pottery within less then a thousand of an inch and it would take our most sophisticated technology today to be able to make a peace of pottery with those exact dimensions. You can’t tell me that ancient peoples did not have technology that is lost to us today.
What's up with the Ja'fa?
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Interesting thanks
I'm glad you liked it
If they were more intelligent and as talented and skilled later than what some of us call a missing advanced civilization Then why dont we see examples that are less old that contain huge hard and heavy stone with some finishes almost as smooth as glass, perfect angles,.and tight fitment.. Why did that stop? Why are the newer than the megalithic structures smaller stones, that are way less perfect, and lack the detail of the oldest ones ? From what the narrator is saying they should have been just as, if not more advanced than their early ancestors
I'm not sure I follow you, but you seem to be assuming a very progressivist kind of "evolution" that current evidence doesn't support very well, at least in the sense that there are a lot of reasons why cultures change. Why does Late Roman art look "less elegant" than Early Roman art? Why does mediaeval art look less sophisticated than classical Greek art? There are lots of factors that affect technological, architectural, and artistic change. In any case, I don't know where so many viewers get the idea that any of these sites have "perfect angles" and so on. None of these pillars have perfect 90-degree angles or the like, and all clearly show that they were shaped, by hand, with stone tools (peck marks and the like). They were NOT machined, no matter what someone might tell you. Even the photos available online show many irregularities. Certainly, they're impressive, but they are not outside the capabilities of the technology of the time.
it seems to me the early Anatolian Farmers, or proto-farmers, at that point very near the beginning of Neolithic farming built the site, same type people upon migrations into Europe built stone monument sights there and then in England, for some reason they built large stone sites, but it follows along with the migrations of the early farmers.
More importantly who buried the complex?
This bozo in the video claims that no one buried it.
The famous "handbags" carved on the stones at Gobekli Tepe are found carved on stone monuments all over the world, from South America, Egypt, to the far east. This similarity indicates a world-wide communication of ideas. Doesn't sound like hunter gatherers.
those are hunting pits, not hand bags 😊
they show the animals they chaise in them.
I did another video on this topic. Even if they are handbags or baskets (I don't think they are), so what? Cultures all over the world were perfectly capable of inventing handbags and baskets on their own, just as they independently invented all sorts of other things, including even agriculture.
I am glad you included Easter Island on your video. I have seen the video of the team of men, walking the Easter Island head. They moved it about 10' . They dragged one about the same distance, and had a big party, saying they had solved the mystery. The fact is, no one knows how the ancient people quarried, cut, transported, erected, and stacked large stones.
I have been involved in large scale construction my whole life. I operated a Link Belt 218A truck crane (largest one for me) for 2 years. I understand what it would take to build a place like Gobekli Tepe, Angkor Wat, the Giza temples, Luxor temples, and the list goes on, and on. What I know, is this. We can't do it now, so why should we think, these farmers, could do it, like raising an Amish barn? Steel cables, and series booms are required to lift and place blocks over 20 tons. No one, in the modern world would dare transport stones over 20 tons now, much less the 100-1000 tons block construction, found all over the world. I would say, your theories, need a lot more work, than the ancient astronaut theories. A lot more.
_I am glad you included Easter Island on your video. I have seen the video of the team of men, walking the Easter Island head. They moved it about 10' ._
10 feet? If we're having the same video in mind - *Easter Island moai 'walked'* - 18 people managed to "walk" a 4,4 tons replica of a moai for 100 metres in less than an hour.
_The fact is, no one knows how the ancient people quarried, cut, transported, erected, and stacked large stones._
Actually, we've got depictions of tools and methods ancient Egyptians used to cut and carve stones. We've found tools at the quarries and unfinished pieces which allows us to draw some conclusion of how they processed their stones. Same goes for transportation and erecting or stacking them. We're not so blind as van Dänicken, Hancock and consorts wants us to believe to sell their books.
_I have been involved in large scale construction my whole life. I operated a Link Belt 218A truck crane (largest one for me) for 2 years. I understand what it would take to build a place like Gobekli Tepe, Angkor Wat, the Giza temples, Luxor temples, and the list goes on, and on._
I believe you know how such stuff is done _today._ But you've got to consider that in ancient times people had two main forces in abundance - _time_ and _manpower._ Of course, *experimental archaeology* isn't able to rebuild those monumental structures in full scale due to lack of funding and resources. But it can show that those "primitive" tools are sufficient to do their job.
_No one, in the modern world would dare transport stones over 20 tons now, much less the 100-1000 tons block construction_
Well no. in our modern world we've been moving around objects of the weight of tenth of thousands metric tons. Just take a look at the video *How Heavy an Object Can We Actually Move? | Myths Highlights* by *World of Antiquity.*
@@Spielkalb-von-Sparta what you saying is simply not true. No tools for megalithic stone work has ever been found. Not has anyone, duplicated these feats, without modern machinery. Pounding stones and copper chisels don't count, as quarrying tools, btw. We also don't work with megalithic stones today, because we can't transport them. How many millions did they spend, trying to transport that 35 ton boulder from Colorado, for an art project. The granite beams in the Kings Chamber at the great pyramid, are 60 tons each. Don't tell me, how great we are.
@@jamesn.economou9922 _No tools for megalithic stone work has ever been found. Not has anyone, duplicated these feats, without modern machinery. Pounding stones and copper chisels don't count, as quarrying tools, btw._
Well, that's a funny logic you're following: `No tools were ever found except those tools which were found and don't count'. I can't make heads or tails of it. Why do you think the tools found at the sites don't count? Experimental archaeology has shown that you can work stone with stone. It's time-consuming, but it works.
_We also don't work with megalithic stones today, because we can't transport them. How many millions did they spend, trying to transport that 35 ton boulder from Colorado, for an art project._
I'm not familiar with this specific project. But you're right here in that way it's a question of money, not a question of if it's doable or not. According to the _Guinness Book of World's Records_ the heaviest man-made object ever been moved was the Gullfaks C installation counting between 1,4 and 1,5 million(!) metric tons in 1989.
Don't tell me, how small we are!
Praise jehova praise jehova just kidding
Stone tools, along with fire and levers are perfectly capable of quarrying large blocks of stone. You can find TH-cam videos showing people actually doing that. Furthermore, even today it's possible to move whole buildings around (see the move of the Cape Hatteras Lighthouse, to name just one example), and you can also find videos demonstrating ways to move Stonehenge stones and so on, even by people who don't have a lot of experience with such things. In the case of Egypt, we have pictures they made in tombs showing EXACTLY how they moved huge statues and obelisks around. These people were highly capable and had lots of manpower.
Good yarn.
This is a part of the "Mirazan Culture", that includes Karahan, Buncuklu and Gobekli, among others, dating back to 13,000-9,000 years ago. The name is the local Kurdish name. Mirazan which means "miracle maker", a very suitable name by the local people for these sites (instead of the comical "Gobekli=pot belly in official Turkish" that is given to them by the state politicians in that modern country). Please use the name Mirzan in honor of the historic local name and tradition
Thecearly Hatti(non Biblical Hittites) the Hatusha people.
Its actually a Temple of harvest worship and infant sacrifice to Baal.
Being a Baal High Place Gideon was sent to Hebron which is where Gobekli is loxated and God had him destroy every object of pottery, any idols and anything of human use and under God's direction ground everything to a powder.
Then Gideon with all rhe Northern Israelite tribes buried it with dirt and stones.
Your findings seem sound . Grap a modern sophisticate, throw them in the " Bell ' and drop them off back then. How long would they live for??? Would they led busy, physical lives with contentment? I doubt it. Whom is better?
Fyi. Many rual areas of the usa depend on wild animals for their yearly meat supply.
Arkansas is one, Alaska, and even from Maine to mountain areas through out usa. To Mexico. To northwest areas areas and in-between. This includes fishing off the northwest coast and the gulf of Mexico.
If there's no disclaimer banner, it's not worth my time.
They were hunter-gatherers. BUT a some lived on site year-round, likely priests. Hunter-gatherers were the first builders at Stonehenge. It points out that our relationship (or imagine relationship with the sacred preceded agriculture as the cause of larger cultural units and later settled cities.
In point of fact, the evidence is increasing every year that there were people living at the site who were harvesting and processing grain and other foods that they were likely cultivating, and even some evidence that some of the grain may have been domesticated. As for Stonehenge, it was not built by hunter-gatherers either. Although its builders may have relied little on farming cereals, they did raise pigs and cattle.
In my city, Toronto, there's a 553.3 metre (1,815.3 ft) tower. It doesn't look like anything humans would build, and it serves no obvious practical purpose. It seems impossible to determine who built it. I asked numerous random citizens how it could have been built, and none of them knew. It's obvious that the primitive tribe (called "Canadians" --- etymology unknown) that presently inhabits the area could not possibly have built it without help, presumably of the Atlantian, extraterrestrial, or supernatural kind. The public authorities who now rule them can barely manage to fill a pothole or put in some bike lanes. It is inconceivable that they could have built this colossal structure, using 53,000 cubic yards of concrete and which, despite being until recently the tallest structure in the world, varies from true vertical by 1.1 inches.
In my video on pseudoarchaeology, I actually used the CN Tower in a tongue-in-cheek demonstration of how easy it is to cook up nonsensical mysterious numbers in monuments. My example shows that the CN Tower's height represents the longitude of Toronto (to mock the argument that the Great Pyramid of Giza marks its own latitude).
@@thearchaeologistslaborator6591 Yup, the pseudoarchaelogy psychology works like this: 1) I don't know how to build this impressive structure 2) the natives of the region must be stupider than me, so they couldn't possibly have built it 3) therefore it must be [insert aliens, Atlantians, an ancient supercivilization with lasers, spiritual entities, or the ancestors of some modern culture I consider smart] who built it. This psychology has been generating pseudoscience ever since the medieval English decided they were the descendants of ancient Trojans, or earlier still when the classical Greeks thought that monuments built by their own ancestors a few centuries before must have been built by giant Titans.
Have we tried digging under what has already been discovered... maybe gobeki Tepe wasn't the first settlement they buried
Actually, the big structures with the T-pillars are dug right into the bedrock, so there's nothing under them. There could be something earlier under some of the smaller buildings that haven't been excavated below their floor levels, but so far there's no evidence for anything earlier than the early Neolithic in the excavated areas.
Sorry for trolling this page everybody. It just really struck a nerve with me. Please don't mistake my sarcasm for lack of respect. Everyone has a right to their own opinion and I'm thankful to all of you for sharing yours.
Bro. You're good. Skepticism coupled with practical roughneck knowledge has led me to question these sites and their official explanations. If you can't mock it, then it's a good sign you're striking a nerve, plucked across the insecurity that academically, they may have had it all wrong and laymen are making more sense than they are.
Great added information.
it is the one hundred ton stones at balbek that i dont know how that moved them. but they did. there they are. 😊
Hi. I did another video, on pseudoarchaeology, in which I briefly discuss the Baalbek stones you're mentioning. However, there are also better videos on this and I list some of them in the text below my video. The Romans' ability to move large stones was much better than most people would imagine.
@@thearchaeologistslaborator6591 we can only use shipping crains to move one hundred times today, and those are stationary.
Cranes are not the only way to move things around. Modern people are so used to having motorized cranes that they can't grasp that there are other ways to do that. I actually deal with that topic specifically in that other video on pseudoarchaeology.
@@thearchaeologistslaborator6591 what do you got to move one hundred tones? and over what surfaces? 🤔
So it's unlikely that pillar 43 represents constellations similar to Greek constellations because they are separated by thousands of years? Uh huh. Yet pillar 43 has handbags identical to those found from Sumer and Babylon 6 thousand years later, and the Maya 11 thousand years later. But yeah, you're probably right. Cuz you're an archeologist and archeologists are always right until a new site like Gobleki Tepi is found. But seriously, your commentary is cutting edge insight for the year 1890. There is no way evidence of an advanced global civilization destroyed by worldwide cataclysm 12,00 years ago would escape your astute observation. Unless that is exactly what Gobleki Tepi is. Nah. Most likely the hunter/gatherer/farmers who survived the Younger Dryas period decided to build megalithic structures on a massive scale in many places because they were bored and had a lot of time on their hands. It's so obvious it's simple.
the handbags give you a clue.....this was built many many years ago and was part of the civilization where those handbags were incredibly important. we are talking 20,000 yrs ago. ALL was destroyed and mud buried in the great earth shaking flood of 12,000 yrs ago.
They're already found the "handbags" in real life. They're weights. Official weights. Architecture/commerce/mathematical precision. Official weights carried and safeguarded by the leaders of these civilizations. They've been found in the Near East, Asia, Europe and North Africa. Handled official royal weights. Tax man has to know how much you owe for your grain/cut granite blocks/gold etc.
_Yet pillar 43 has handbags identical to those found from Sumer and Babylon 6 thousand years later,_
Absolutely not! The so-called "handbags" on pillar 43 are asymmetrical, all of the "handles" are moved to the left. That can't be an error from the craftsman because all three of them are carved in the same manner.
The Sumerian "handbags" are all symmetrical. And we're quite sure they're depicting water buckets. There's no mystery in these because on the stelae they've been carried towards date trees, we've got archaeological finds of such kind of buckets and we've got even a stela which inscription tells us so. See *Mystery of the Sumerian Handbags SOLVED* by *World of Antiquity.*
Cool. Thanks for sharing.@@Spielkalb-von-Sparta
Nope that is not the answer either! sorry. good try.@@bswantner2
Didn't quite answer the question "who" for me for me it's obvious the weren't simple hunters and gatherers
Archaeologically, it's only possible to identify "who" in a very generic way. And, if you saw the video through, you will find that I said they were NOT full-time hunter-gatherers, even though I think hunter-gatherers were perfectly capable of building such things. I think they were Neolithic villagers, with a mixed economy of hunting, gathering, and farming, just as at most other early Neolithic sites.
not for nothing, klaus schmidt didn't have any more of a clue about who and why, than you or i.
And yet you omit saying anything about the pillar with those etched 'handbags' that are always noted/carved in Sumerian self-documentation relating to their gods.
I'll do a future video on this topic, since so many people seem to be commenting on those "handbags"
@@thearchaeologistslaborator6591 That would be great! Thanks
12000 years ago starting from square one. Its a tough life . They were just as intelligent as we are today. We just slowly built on what the originators started. Today is concidered by some a tough life. It was complicated then ,so it is today .
More intelligent than many people today, is my guess! Technology dumbs most of us down, only a few understand it, while most just click on buttons to use it with no idea how the world works.
They were more intelligent?😁😁😁😁😁
The way I would put it is that they had more practical knowledge than most people in today's western world, as we depend so much on automation and most people don't even learn basic carpentry.
This was not the earliest sight. Many others that predate GT show clear evidence of the steps of a process that occurred over hundreds of years.
The first thing you say is an untruth We have been digging in Antarctica for years longer than Gobekli by far. And the site in Ancient Antarctic is older. The info is being withheld for some reason.
What site in Antarctica are you talking about? Who has been digging there?
@@thearchaeologistslaborator6591 I’m not on this site to convince anyone of anything. I would suggest you jump down that rabbit 🐰 hole yourself. Happy hunting
Bold claims require strong evidence. I've seen none for any pre-modern sites in Antarctica.
to summarize according to your numbers of labor needed. that area has many slopes that are more than 8 degrees, no? thusly not just doubling what was conservatively estimated, but maybe tripling? Also with so many inhabitants they certainly would need to domestic animals, no?
You're right that there are many steep slope around. However, the quarry is right next to the site, so the slope would be low most of the way. The hill is higher now because of the overlying strata (above the big pillar buildings), but the big buildings were built right over the bedrock. The people there did not have domestic animals (except dogs), although they might have been in the early stages of domesticating goats. All the lifting and moving would be by people.
Um that's jaffa armor in the thumbnail
Pillar 43 tells us, without a doubt, who built Gobekli Tepe. It is carved right across the pillar's top, a clear depiction of the Biblical narrative of the Great Flood. Watch Gobekli Tepe: Noah's Monument to God's Ark. Moreover, several years ago Rod Hale discovered the precise overlay across P43's symbols of half the constellations known to the early Greeks, ALL of the constellations in the northern sky. Those constellations corresponding to P43's symbols interpret the entire face of the pillar. Watch Gobekli Tepe and the Mazzaroth Part I and Part II. Never before has there been so much clear evidence ignored so stale tales and guesses galore can live peacefully in "educated" minds.
The Jaffa...who else did stuff like that for the Goa'uld?
quality
As soon as i heard you talk about the “Annunaaki” (which is an incorrect translation of cuniform, the actual name is ‘Annuni’) i knew you’re not a serious person, let alone expert.
OK. I make no claim to be an expert in Sumerian language. I was only using the term that the Annunaki enthusiasts use. They all follow Sitchen, who, despite having no training, claimed to be the only person who could translate Sumerian correctly
@@thearchaeologistslaborator6591 Yes, Sitchen was an amateur and the debate isn’t about whether he was wrong or not, that’s been proven beyond doubt, it’s whether he knowingly misled people to sell lots of books etc or was innocently wrong. I can let you have some much more detailed Utube accounts, by serious Assyriologists, which contain info about the cuniform tablets if you like?
@@thearchaeologistslaborator6591
Discussing the problems with Sitchen.
th-cam.com/video/jrGtJh4tB_k/w-d-xo.htmlsi=YMdFYxM_q_GTMQbG
Thanks for the link
@@thearchaeologistslaborator6591 np
Finally a rational summary of a very important discovery. All those Tepe adjacent towns seem rather a shire than a civilization.
Thanks. I look forward to more evidence coming out of those "Stone Hills" sites.
It is ancient armenian observatory, wich was used to record time
I wonder how and where the people quarried the stone work?
In the case of Göbekli Tepe, the quarry is right next to the site. You can easily see where blocks have been cut from the limestone, and one unfinished pillar is still sitting unremoved from the rock.
@@thearchaeologistslaborator6591
With what tool?
They would have quarried them with a combination of stone axes & chisels, fire, and big wooden levers. One way is to chisel holes in the rock, build fires in the holes to heat them up and fire-crack the rock, and insert levers in a row of holes to break the block free from the limestone. Because the limestone occurs naturally in layers, it tends to break nicely along the surfaces between layers.
I wonder if Enkidu was born here?
I wonder if Inanna stored grain here?
We still hunt today!!! It's the transition point.... obviously the FIRST civilization is going to resemble Hunter-Gatherer society.
We have to consider the fact that with these sites only a small percentage has been excavated.
So when we say (hunter gatherers) built these sites, the amount of people it would of required to build the entire unexcavated areas would require a means of life support beyond just hunting and gathering...cmon lets get real here, it is what it is !
I actually argued in my video that the people at Göbekli would have been villagers who relied on a mixed economy that included both hunting and gathering and the farming of wild (and apparently a small amount of early domesticated) crops. It was Schmidt who claimed that they were only hunter-gatherers. In any case, 500 or 600 people who may have lived at the site over about 1000 years would have been perfectly capable of building all these structures.
You conveniently omitted to tell your viewers that Göbekli Tepe is only one site and that there is another that is even older, Karahan Tepe.
Actually, I did mention in the video that there are at least 12 sites much like Göbekli Tepe and even showed a map of their locations. And Karahan Tepe is about the same age, so far not demonstrably older, but research there is still in its early stages so it could turn out to be older. In any case, this video is focused on the one site. It would take a much longer video to discuss several of them.
Wtf did you watch dude because he did LOL
@@TheAverageGamer1
Yeh!........ he should "Go-back & Tape-it"
He also failed to point out the left bird on the pillar is in the shape of a star constellation
@@TheAverageGamer1Some people. Like the TH-cam grammar police. What would the whole world do without em. Lol.
Round mill stones with holes through them were found at Gobekli. This means the were planter harvester's of grains.
They were not hunter gatherers.
Yes. There are thousands of grinding stones of various types, an some evidence of what they were grinding. In the video, I cited Dietrich's book on this.
Found at most of the barely excavated and clearly related "sites" across an entire region. The goalpost moving is incredible. They've literally redefined a term to fit what they can't explain under current models of human life, across the eons.
@@thearchaeologistslaborator6591 Has to be a Hatti/Hatusha (non Biblical Hittite) Baal Harvest infant sacrifice Temple.
You know Gideon had buried many of these High Pkaxes to Baal in Hebron and under God's direction burried them with dirt snd stones after grinding every obhect, idols and pottery to powder(dust).
What gives this away isvthe alter with three lions facing the alter pit.
It's definitely a Hittite Baal Temple just from the evidence.
I Would bet it's only around 4,036 years old built around 2013 bc just before Abraham's birth in Ur.
Not sure why you use scarequotes around "sites". Certainly the excavations are limited, but not always negligible either. The work at Karahan Tepe has now exposed quite a bit of architecture, and it looks a lot like the buildings at Göbekli Tepe.
Did you really use a picture from Stargate the TV series? The show and its major villains are based on Egyptian mythology
I used that only because it's in public domain and I wanted to illustrate in a nutshell the common theory that aliens had something to do with the site. Obviously, I don't subscribe to that theory!
That makes an awfull lot of hunters gatherers to feed on game and wild food, is'nt it ?
I think Schmidt's idea was that they would only congregate at Göbekli briefly and seasonally. The rest of the year, they'd be in smaller groups. However, I think they were mostly farmers, and probably lived there all year, or at least much of the year. Hunting would only have provided part of their food.
During the time of Atlantis with water canals. I wonder how much is still needing to be uncovered!
Ridiculous to state this site were buried. It is Pre_flood.
I cannot envisage 100k workers with Wheelbarrows completing the task.
Pre_Flood
Sorry, but nothing ridiculous about it. Archaeological sites are often buried by natural or cultural processes, or both. In this case, most of the deposit consists of fallen wall stones and dumped trash. There is absolutely no evidence of flood deposits, as the site is on the top of a mountain.
Also, they didn't have wheelbarrows and it wouldn't have required anything like 100k workers. Inhabitants of a medium-size village would have been more than adequate.
Here's a short video (not by me) that discusses some of the ways that archaeological sites get buried, in this case, Rome:
th-cam.com/video/fz4ZdXpri04/w-d-xo.html
@@thearchaeologistslaborator6591 my friend, Noah's Ark, the remains, are also "on top of a Mountain". (you seem stuck in the "latest Theory" world. Open ye mind I suggest)
Please realise the Flood happened, recorded Worldwide.
Yes, I they didn't have Wheelbarrows. But bro, I cmon.
You suggest maybe 15k people were enough. Sans both Wheelbarrows and Excavators. Enough to Cover over 100 Acres 50 feet deep?
Again, cmon, that's just not feasable at all. And WHY bury? Makes zero sense.
If it were an Eyesore the people would have simply destroyed it.
Nothing about this Theory makes sense.
I doubt 1: the Researchers and
2: the methods used to come to this conclusion.
Sorry, I don't buy it. The many attempts to find remains of Noah's ark on Mount Ararat have all come up empty. Flood deposits are really easy to recognize, and there just aren't any at Göbekli (other than the limestones that were at the bottom of the ocean tens of millions of years ago). And I didn't suggest 15k people either, just a few hundred or maybe a couple of thousand residents over a few centuries of activity. And it's not 50 feet deep, more like 8 feet in the deepest places. See the video I suggested. Almost ALL archaeological sites with intensive human activity or architecture get buried over time as the buildings fall apart or people dispose of garbage. We see this over an over again and there's nothing mysterious about it. It even happens in modern cities where there are abandoned buildings. Sounds like I'll never convince you however, and that's fine.
Mmmmm, a very biased attempt to explain a complex problem. Saying ancient people moved timber poles, so that explains it. I recall there was a Japanese attempt to move a 1000kg block on the sands of Egypt, only using the tools that were supposed to be available to the dynastic people of the time. How did that go?
How long would it take to make just one of the pillars with a pounding stone? It's a long, overdue conclusion to come to that our ancestors were more advanced than we give them credit for.
Well, if you want to call having a point of view bias.... I'm not sure which Japanese experiment you're mentioning, but you might want to check out some of the many videos with experiments on how Stonehenge may have been built. Once again, it only requires things like levers and wedges, and erecting one trilithon takes about 3 days when done by amateurs. Here's just one of them:
th-cam.com/video/9yY7CVFTE1A/w-d-xo.html
Here's just one video on an experiment to raise an Egyptian obelisk (admittedly not one of the bigger ones) with ancient technology: th-cam.com/video/BgekJnMeNiY/w-d-xo.html
What's being said by some archaeologists is about the Younger Dryas, not the Ice Age. Younger Dryas was 12-13,000 years ago. The Ice Age was about 20,000 years ago. So there's a big difference in time there. 1:16 11,000 years ago is mentioned - that would put the time just after the Younger Dryas, at the start of the Holocene. The start of the Holocene is widely accepted as 11,700 years before 2000 CE. Is it possible to incorrectly date something and be off by a thousand or so years? Because if so, then it is absolutely possible this existed during or at the end of the Younger Dryas.
stone can't be dated. this site took a long time to construct and if some of the matter found is dated to 11,000 yrs ago that means Gobekli was built and in use long before that.
I always thought the last ice age melted 12-10,000 years ago?
You're right that it's the Younger Dryas, but that's kind of the last gasp of the Ice Age. It was preceded by a warm period (or interstadial) called the Bolling-Allerod. But it's still a part of the Pleistocene Ice Age, broadly speaking. 20,000 years ago was just part of the Last Glacial Maximum. The Ice Age actually lasted from 2.5 million years ago until the end of the Younger Dryas.
Check out Graham Hancock. He has a very interesting theory about this.
Graham Hancock is a pseudo idiot
I think it was an Arena! Like THAT cheesy Star Trek episode with "The Gorn"
Your calculation table at15.18:
You deliberately minimize the number of men needed to pull the TE monoliths by assuming a friction coefficient of 0.08 (wood on greased wood) This is a very low hypothesis, not a truth!
With a coefficient of friction of wood on wet wood it is closer to 0.25 and dry wood 0.35.
For a megalith weighing 5.4 tonnes, 45 men and 63 men respectively are required on flat ground.
And with a friction coefficient of 0.35 and a slope of 8°, 87 men are needed!
I'm not an engineer, but relied on sources I cited in that 2011 article. However, I did indicate that it was for lubricated (greasy) sliding friction and, for oak on greasy oak, that coefficent is slightly less than 0.08 in sources I just checked online. I don't see online mention of wood on wet earth or stone on wet stone or wet earth, presumably because that's not something that would normally be relevant in modern engineering. I was not deliberately underestimating, but only trying to counter Schmidt's deliberate overestimation.
We have had Farmers ever since Adam.
What was... Is what will be
It was built by the descendants of Noah possibly japheth it looks like a catalog in stone of what they brought on the ark with all the animals represented
It certainly was, and by the way I am a Pierson, very Japhetic. Pagan religion advanced quickly after the Flood and a hallmark of it was worship of the mother and father deities.Most father gods are based on Noah worship, he was idolized.
@@lahaina4791 I thought the whole point of the flood was to correct that?
Karacar is the horse float