I don't have an S950 but I still enjoyed the shit out of watching this... come to think of it, I don't have Renoise, or Awave, or Akaiutil, but still a dope video.
This is great in so many ways. The video editting is great and so are the shots all looking nice and chill. The video itself is informative and finally the song at the end is very very good and imaginative. It goes beyond a simple tutorial and stepping into genuine art. It is crazy that this doesn't have millions of views. It's just perfect in every way. Great job! Love these videos!
Awesome breakage, awesome setup. You are slowly selling me on Renoise. It's gonna happen eventually. I'm a bit more back to basics. Unexpanded Roland S750, Amiga A500 (PiStorm'ed and GoTek'ed though). Currently looking for some kind of KVM switch so I can use the mouse on my sampler (Only accepts Amiga mice). Come to think of it, would love to see a video on exactly that, if you have similar gear in storage.
I was going to comment about that in the video. Once you've baked in the goodness of the s950 input stage I suspect you don't gain all that much sonically when moving it back from renoise to the s950 other than the ability to use the s950's multiple outputs for an external mixdown (which you could do with a multi channel sound card). Having said that, I really like the way the s950 does variable sample rate playback for pitching sounds up and down. It really shines when used as a polysynth. With dirty breaks and rave synths it's less noticeable.
My next question is what if you did the initial sampling in Renoise, kept it in Renoise and used TAL-DAC on the track. Would you lose something intangible from not using OctaMED or the hardware sampler? As in maybe you could get 99% the same audio but miss some inspiration along the way?
@@T1F1400 Renoise is great. A little bloated by comparison, but nothing lost using Renoise over Octamed. There’s possibly an argument that Amiga MIDI timing is better, but there are fancy MIDI over audio interfaces for modern computers that solve that problem for people who care. TAL-DAC might emulate the output stage of the s-950 but the sound of the input stage is where most of the colouration happens. The main characteristic of the 950’snoutput stage is the comparative absence of colouration - specifically when playing the sound at pitches higher or lower than the pitch it was recorded at. There is that RX-950 plugin, and someone else is selling impulse responses. I use RX-950 as an approximation when working in Ableton but I don’t think it’s super convincing.
@@Samplers I’ve used RX-950 quite a bit on iPad and I like it for adding a bit of colour. I mentioned TAL-DAC because it models both the recording / AD and the output / DA stages. For instance you can simulate changing the recording level of the sample.
Thanks, and is that version of Renoise a legacy version? Does the latest work for this use case? I am hoping to find a way to workaround the painstaking process of creating keygroups, having to manually pan the L&R of each stereo sample - all while remaining on a modern mac laptop as I don’t have space to setup a secondary computer! Thanks 🙏
@@quentinjames981 this is a fairly recent version of renoise. It’s probably not the latest. I just watched a video on the latest version - it still works the same for this this stuff. The hardest part about doing this on a mac is that you need wine (or some other windows emulation later) to run awave. I’ve not got awave running properly but it works just enough to do this loading and saving business.
@@Samplers Thanks for clarifying about renoise. Awave seems to be running splendidly on your mac, are you using wine? I've messed with wine a few times for different reasons without much success. However unless I'm missing something, it should be possible to use renoise on my main laptop (macbook m1) to export the samples + .sfz, and then pop the SD card into a windows machine running awave, then back into the S3000 (ZuluSCSI) right? Might try make room for a small windows laptop in that case. Also - how does akaiutil handle volumes (e.g. hd 0950.iso) with multiple partitions, do you get control over which partition to affect? Cheers
@@quentinjames981 yeah I’m using wine. It’s not running splendidly but will open and save - the main things I need. You saw GroovingInG’s post here - sounds like he might have things better configured with wine. Also, as you suggest it is totally possible to jump over to a windows box for awave. The fewer steps the better though! Note all of these programs run on windows. It’s a option to do the whole process there.
Thanks for the vid! Do you have HD option in your Akai? I use regular gotek, so my images are in HxC format, so I don't think this method will do for me. :(
@@DonSolaris yeah I have the Stratos 3rd party SCSI interface in this unit and an Akai IB-109 interface in my other 950. Works well with ZuluSCSI hard disk emulation. Can’t recommend it highly enough. Max drive size is 60mb but with 7 simultaneous drives and more in waiting on the card it ends up being more than ample for me.
Hey, i'm a young long time jungle fan and i want to dive into this old school workflow, i recently bought an akai s3000xl, do you have any tips for me on how to sequence this device? my original plan was to build a retro setup with a crt monitor and an amiga, but amigas are very expensive. So my new plan is to sequence it using ableton with my audio interface midi out to midi in the akai, also sample the line outs into the akai from my interface and back from the akai to my interface for recording, would this work or do you have any advice? thanks!
The setup you describe with MIDI and audio should work well. Ableton is sick and I use it every day, but for Jungle I can't recommend Renoise enough. Its got quite the learning curve but its so fast for sequencing cut up breakbeats once you get into it.
This method works great! Thanks so much for sharing your process. It helped me massively :) This is a great alternative to using Translator 7 and a cheaper option. I used wine to install Awave on my M1 mac following this video - th-cam.com/video/pC7CNiRoo5I/w-d-xo.html I used the wine-staging-9.13-osx64.tar.xz & it worked perfect with the demo of Awave. Also if anyone is having problems I strongly suggest you update your ZULU scsi to the latest firmware. My AKAI s1000 was playing back the files wierdly before I updated.
So if I understand correctly, you record the samples with the S950 and save them onto an SD card using a floppy emulator, then edit the samples and convert them back for playing with midi using a tracker? I didn't realise trackers did midi but it just reflects my ignorance of amiga midi. How perfect this rig looks for bringing to the park on a tricycle!
@@EvLoutonian yep. You need a gotek floppy emulator with the flashfloppy operating system for the gotek. Use floppy images in .iso format not .hfe You can skip all the stuff about changing directories if you’re using a floppy emulator. The directories are only for the 950 with SCSI
I don't have an S950 but I still enjoyed the shit out of watching this... come to think of it, I don't have Renoise, or Awave, or Akaiutil, but still a dope video.
Thanks @NM-ir6wd !
The URANUS patch is strong
Ha!@@Thought-Forms
The king is back.
This is great in so many ways. The video editting is great and so are the shots all looking nice and chill. The video itself is informative and finally the song at the end is very very good and imaginative. It goes beyond a simple tutorial and stepping into genuine art. It is crazy that this doesn't have millions of views. It's just perfect in every way. Great job! Love these videos!
That’s super kind of you to say @@az0r22 ! Appreciate it!
Mate this is brilliant - so glad to see you post again.
Cheers,@@tom-541!
Sick as hell
Sweet as. I miss the Trinitrons. Back in the day we just threw many of them in the trash, huge mistake from today's standards. They were the best CRT.
Ah Sasquelch, good to have you back baby
Great tutorial, great setup, great tune.
thanks @@huhummmmmmm !
Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you. That AWave step was what I was missing. Also thank you ❤
Cheers @@bagawire, glad you found it useful!
Man that is such a nice Trinitron you have there :) Great video thanks.
Thanks @enneff! I travelled a couple of hundred kilometres by train to pick up that monitor. A ridiculous journey.
@@Samplers absolutely worth it!!
Bruv
glad ur back! please do octa med tutorials
I could do a lil tute on octamed effects column stuff. Thanks for the suggestion @@Austin-p2w
brilliant stuff, and super helpful. Thx for this !!!
Thanks@@ghal3on!
Good to see ya back mate, keep'em coming! ;-)
Cheers,@@dxtrs_mnpltr!
Awesome breakage, awesome setup. You are slowly selling me on Renoise. It's gonna happen eventually.
I'm a bit more back to basics. Unexpanded Roland S750, Amiga A500 (PiStorm'ed and GoTek'ed though). Currently looking for some kind of KVM switch so I can use the mouse on my sampler (Only accepts Amiga mice). Come to think of it, would love to see a video on exactly that, if you have similar gear in storage.
Great stuff. It would be interesting to play the same sequence in Renoise so see what moving it back to the S950 adds.
I was going to comment about that in the video. Once you've baked in the goodness of the s950 input stage I suspect you don't gain all that much sonically when moving it back from renoise to the s950 other than the ability to use the s950's multiple outputs for an external mixdown (which you could do with a multi channel sound card).
Having said that, I really like the way the s950 does variable sample rate playback for pitching sounds up and down. It really shines when used as a polysynth. With dirty breaks and rave synths it's less noticeable.
My next question is what if you did the initial sampling in Renoise, kept it in Renoise and used TAL-DAC on the track. Would you lose something intangible from not using OctaMED or the hardware sampler? As in maybe you could get 99% the same audio but miss some inspiration along the way?
@@T1F1400 Renoise is great. A little bloated by comparison, but nothing lost using Renoise over Octamed. There’s possibly an argument that Amiga MIDI timing is better, but there are fancy MIDI over audio interfaces for modern computers that solve that problem for people who care.
TAL-DAC might emulate the output stage of the s-950 but the sound of the input stage is where most of the colouration happens. The main characteristic of the 950’snoutput stage is the comparative absence of colouration - specifically when playing the sound at pitches higher or lower than the pitch it was recorded at.
There is that RX-950 plugin, and someone else is selling impulse responses. I use RX-950 as an approximation when working in Ableton but I don’t think it’s super convincing.
@@Samplers I’ve used RX-950 quite a bit on iPad and I like it for adding a bit of colour. I mentioned TAL-DAC because it models both the recording / AD and the output / DA stages. For instance you can simulate changing the recording level of the sample.
@@T1F1400 I didn’t know that about tal-dac. Will have to check it out. I like tal sampler and a bunch their synths.
The sampling parrot, glad you're back samplers.
Cheers,@@diggerjams7373!
Legend
Dope tunage! Nice walkthrough
Cheers,@@Cee_Force!
Love this kind of content. Nice one 👍
Thanks@@museum1401!
Hell yeah!!
@@lewis9898 Michael Bolton watches my channel!
Clean vid, dirty beats - love it
Cheers@@Rik_bS!
I love it a lot!
Awesome video!
Thanks @@channelite !
very nice
You have to put this on spotify
Nice!
true vibez :)
Thanks @@cnic7085!
super nice
Thanks@@dehendriklechatwillekens !
Awesome vibes here :) Do you know if this workflow works on the S3000 too?
@@quentinjames981 yeah, just save as s1000 or s3000 files from Awave instead of s950
Thanks, and is that version of Renoise a legacy version? Does the latest work for this use case? I am hoping to find a way to workaround the painstaking process of creating keygroups, having to manually pan the L&R of each stereo sample - all while remaining on a modern mac laptop as I don’t have space to setup a secondary computer! Thanks 🙏
@@quentinjames981 this is a fairly recent version of renoise. It’s probably not the latest. I just watched a video on the latest version - it still works the same for this this stuff.
The hardest part about doing this on a mac is that you need wine (or some other windows emulation later) to run awave. I’ve not got awave running properly but it works just enough to do this loading and saving business.
@@Samplers Thanks for clarifying about renoise. Awave seems to be running splendidly on your mac, are you using wine? I've messed with wine a few times for different reasons without much success. However unless I'm missing something, it should be possible to use renoise on my main laptop (macbook m1) to export the samples + .sfz, and then pop the SD card into a windows machine running awave, then back into the S3000 (ZuluSCSI) right? Might try make room for a small windows laptop in that case. Also - how does akaiutil handle volumes (e.g. hd 0950.iso) with multiple partitions, do you get control over which partition to affect? Cheers
@@quentinjames981 yeah I’m using wine. It’s not running splendidly but will open and save - the main things I need. You saw GroovingInG’s post here - sounds like he might have things better configured with wine. Also, as you suggest it is totally possible to jump over to a windows box for awave. The fewer steps the better though!
Note all of these programs run on windows. It’s a option to do the whole process there.
Thanks for the vid! Do you have HD option in your Akai? I use regular gotek, so my images are in HxC format, so I don't think this method will do for me. :(
@@DonSolaris yeah I have the Stratos 3rd party SCSI interface in this unit and an Akai IB-109 interface in my other 950. Works well with ZuluSCSI hard disk emulation. Can’t recommend it highly enough. Max drive size is 60mb but with 7 simultaneous drives and more in waiting on the card it ends up being more than ample for me.
Amiga!!
Hey, i'm a young long time jungle fan and i want to dive into this old school workflow, i recently bought an akai s3000xl, do you have any tips for me on how to sequence this device? my original plan was to build a retro setup with a crt monitor and an amiga, but amigas are very expensive. So my new plan is to sequence it using ableton with my audio interface midi out to midi in the akai, also sample the line outs into the akai from my interface and back from the akai to my interface for recording, would this work or do you have any advice? thanks!
The setup you describe with MIDI and audio should work well. Ableton is sick and I use it every day, but for Jungle I can't recommend Renoise enough. Its got quite the learning curve but its so fast for sequencing cut up breakbeats once you get into it.
Maybe start with Ableton if that's what your familiar with but def try Renoise.
@@Samplers thank you for the fast response!
Hey, do you have a Soundcloud or something similar? Really like your stuff.
@@dubcousteau hopefully get that sorted soon. I’ve started taking the studio to the rave and doing live gigs again which has been fun.
This method works great! Thanks so much for sharing your process. It helped me massively :)
This is a great alternative to using Translator 7 and a cheaper option.
I used wine to install Awave on my M1 mac following this video - th-cam.com/video/pC7CNiRoo5I/w-d-xo.html
I used the wine-staging-9.13-osx64.tar.xz & it worked perfect with the demo of Awave.
Also if anyone is having problems I strongly suggest you update your ZULU scsi to the latest firmware. My AKAI s1000 was playing back the files wierdly before I updated.
Cheers,@@groovining! Thanks for the extra info.
Thanks for sharing the info, much appreciated. If you don't mind me asking, what are you using to sequence your S1000?
@@quentinjames981 Renoise & Logic X. Both work great :)
Does this work with the Akai S3000XL? Nice video btw! instant sub :D
@@RetroJay1974 totally. Just save as Akai S 1000/3000 instead of s950 in Awave
Hi there nice video could I implement this same work flow with my s1000 and Gotek emulator
Totally. Just save as Akai s1000 instead of s950 in Awave.
@@Samplers nice one thanks for the reply is this only for Renoise?
@@djtekkazlocked6486 you don’t need renoise - awave has some similar built in features for editing programs. I just like renoise’s features and UI.
So if I understand correctly, you record the samples with the S950 and save them onto an SD card using a floppy emulator, then edit the samples and convert them back for playing with midi using a tracker? I didn't realise trackers did midi but it just reflects my ignorance of amiga midi.
How perfect this rig looks for bringing to the park on a tricycle!
That's the idea. In this instance, I'm not using the floppy emulator but a larger capacity SCSI hard drive emulator at the back of the machine.
Put this on Spotify!
Does this work with S900 also?
@@EvLoutonian yep. You need a gotek floppy emulator with the flashfloppy operating system for the gotek. Use floppy images in .iso format not .hfe
You can skip all the stuff about changing directories if you’re using a floppy emulator. The directories are only for the 950 with SCSI
If you don't mind me asking, what are you using to sequence your S900?
@@quentinjames981 Hi!
I don't really have a set system.. have Akai ASQ-10 hardware sequencer, but also MPC-2000XL, or MPC-1000, also great.
isnt he using octamed ?
Instasubscribed.
Cheers, @@SynthfulDuck!
This should also be possible with s1100. Just brought AWave. It’s great. Looking for solution for W30 to wav so if any one knows one just shout…
Have you tried Llamamusic, some great W30 resources there.
If you don't mind me asking, what are you using to sequence your S1100?