Most companies don't decide to become 'evil', and those that do consider themselves to be paragons of virtue. Most, I think, start with one or two visionaries who become really successful, expand beyond their ability to directly control things, and then hire MBA types to 'help'. These immediately try to carve out their own fiefdoms and try to justify new, crazy schemes to get bonuses and promotions. But, like Robert Heinlein once wrote, [a] committee is the only known form of life with a hundred bellies and no brain.' Buck-passing, not-my-jobism, and corner cuttings ensue, oversight and responsibility go by the wayside, and deviency is normalized. That's when catastrophes occur. Sadly, public transport is one of those industries where those catastrophes can cost hundreds of lives.
The negligence was an offshoot of actually, how Russians ran things and how their influence affected others. When the Soviet empire crumbled in 1991, we found out that the Russians were actually a "paper tiger." When Germany fell in 1945, there was a race on to find the German scientists that ran the missile program. The Russians found the scientists that built the rocket motors while US found the scientists found the scientists that ran the guidance systems, which is why the US succeeded in putting men on the moon while the Russians failed miserably. This negligence filtered into everything that the Russians touched. The head of the shipping line probably, still, had a Soviet state of mind and good enough (half ass, really) doesn't cut it.
I think somebody recently complained about a Friday video release, because the channel is called Shipwreck Sunday. As for me, I’ll take as much nautical history as you guys can put out. How about Maritime Monday, Typhoon Tuesday, Waterlogged Wednesday, Tragic Thursday, See Ya Later Saturday? Gimme! Gimme! Gimme! And come on, people, keep hitting that like button!
Good video, i think I've mentioned something you brought up in your last series with the fire boats. The difference between draft. Too little water draft & the ship is less stable, can't help but think draft plays a role in the safety of these ferries. At least you warned us that you're going to leave us in suspense for a week 😂😂 Will be looking forward to the next two Sundays 😂😂
@@Chevyman02 Lmao you will be left in much suspense! 😂 I agree with you about draft - I've heard from other TH-cam channels (ones with sailors involved) that air draft being too high vs water draft can make a ship more vulnerable to capsizing, which RORO ferries seem to love to do. I don't know, it seems odd to me!
I was ~17 when the Estonia sank. I had been on it when it was called the Viking Sally, as well as Silja Star. I think we even got a Lego model of it when it was the Sally. It's been a "few" years though, so I'm not entirely sure.
From what I remember: It appeared to be estonian yet as Estonia just got independance & systems, courts etc wasnt in place It was owned by a cypriotic...
@@skylineXpert that's how it appears to me - it had a lot of different influences. MS Estonia was registered in both Cyprus and Estonia, due to issues with her purchase through Nördstrom & Thulin's end.
Intresting enough, M/S Mare Balticum was actually planned to have named M/S Vironia prior to the sinkining which basicly means Estonia in Finnish. But unfortunately m/s Estonia sunk and it had to be renamed due to being sister ship to it and similar name. Had it not sunk both ships would have been operating together to Stockholm in October 1994
good job see ya Sunday. I always say that but I've only seen you once about a year ago. I think I've seen your cat more times. so I will hear you Sunday. that just doesn't sound right. 😎💚💙👍👍🍺🍺🍻
Being Swedish I vaguely remember us having a day of national mourning when Estonia sank.😞 852 deceased, out of which 501 were Swedish. Only 137 people survived.
@@nian60 I'm so sorry for your nation's loss. It was absolutely horrific. I cannot imagine the mourning of a nation and of the families. Thank you so much for being here in the comments section, I appreciate you!
Hi I love your channel, you might like to look at Foundation Maritime especially their Tug Foundation Franklin a fascinating story with many epic rescues of ships in trouble.
@@shipwrecksunday they were a Canadian company. The Author Farley Mowatt wrote a book called the Grey seas under about Foundation Franklin, also a Book called The Serpent's Coil about the epic struggle to save a US Liberty ship after WW2 abandoned after almost sinking during a Hurricane.
How do we feel about Estline as a company?!
Most companies don't decide to become 'evil', and those that do consider themselves to be paragons of virtue. Most, I think, start with one or two visionaries who become really successful, expand beyond their ability to directly control things, and then hire MBA types to 'help'. These immediately try to carve out their own fiefdoms and try to justify new, crazy schemes to get bonuses and promotions. But, like Robert Heinlein once wrote, [a] committee is the only known form of life with a hundred bellies and no brain.' Buck-passing, not-my-jobism, and corner cuttings ensue, oversight and responsibility go by the wayside, and deviency is normalized. That's when catastrophes occur. Sadly, public transport is one of those industries where those catastrophes can cost hundreds of lives.
The negligence was an offshoot of actually, how Russians ran things and how their influence affected others. When the Soviet empire crumbled in 1991, we found out that the Russians were actually a "paper tiger." When Germany fell in 1945, there was a race on to find the German scientists that ran the missile program. The Russians found the scientists that built the rocket motors while US found the scientists found the scientists that ran the guidance systems, which is why the US succeeded in putting men on the moon while the Russians failed miserably. This negligence filtered into everything that the Russians touched. The head of the shipping line probably, still, had a Soviet state of mind and good enough (half ass, really) doesn't cut it.
I think somebody recently complained about a Friday video release, because the channel is called Shipwreck Sunday. As for me, I’ll take as much nautical history as you guys can put out. How about Maritime Monday, Typhoon Tuesday, Waterlogged Wednesday, Tragic Thursday, See Ya Later Saturday? Gimme! Gimme! Gimme!
And come on, people, keep hitting that like button!
@@lumberlikwidator8863 lmao! Thank you so much!! Cheers!
Good video, i think I've mentioned something you brought up in your last series with the fire boats. The difference between draft. Too little water draft & the ship is less stable, can't help but think draft plays a role in the safety of these ferries.
At least you warned us that you're going to leave us in suspense for a week 😂😂
Will be looking forward to the next two Sundays 😂😂
@@Chevyman02 Lmao you will be left in much suspense! 😂 I agree with you about draft - I've heard from other TH-cam channels (ones with sailors involved) that air draft being too high vs water draft can make a ship more vulnerable to capsizing, which RORO ferries seem to love to do. I don't know, it seems odd to me!
@@shipwrecksunday it always stumps me, but I don't have an engineering degree!🤣
We'll let the suspense go this time, we're nice🤣🤣lol
See ya Sunday 🤣
I remember when this happened! Terrible situation!!!! RIP to those lost.
@@Vet-7174 it's such a horrific tragedy!
I was ~17 when the Estonia sank. I had been on it when it was called the Viking Sally, as well as Silja Star. I think we even got a Lego model of it when it was the Sally. It's been a "few" years though, so I'm not entirely sure.
@@vibingwithvinyl my goodness! I can only imagine. Thank you for sharing that with me. It's crazy how many lives this ship touched.
Thanks for sharing, I always look forward to these shows 😀
@@JamesWylde thank you so much for watching!
Another great documentary. I’m sorry for my last negative comments.
@@nordisk1874 no need to apologize! Being critical can really help raise the bar. Thank you for your genuine opinion!
@@shipwrecksunday I just love history!
From what I remember: It appeared to be estonian yet as Estonia just got independance & systems, courts etc wasnt in place It was owned by a cypriotic...
@@skylineXpert that's how it appears to me - it had a lot of different influences. MS Estonia was registered in both Cyprus and Estonia, due to issues with her purchase through Nördstrom & Thulin's end.
2:57 That’s actually M/s Silja Europa
@@martinanderspuck2563 Thank you for this correction ❤️
Intresting enough, M/S Mare Balticum was actually planned to have named M/S Vironia prior to the sinkining which basicly means Estonia in Finnish. But unfortunately m/s Estonia sunk and it had to be renamed due to being sister ship to it and similar name. Had it not sunk both ships would have been operating together to Stockholm in October 1994
@@martinanderspuck2563 interesting! Thank you so much for including this - that's fascinating!
good job see ya Sunday. I always say that but I've only seen you once about a year ago. I think I've seen your cat more times. so I will hear you Sunday. that just doesn't sound right. 😎💚💙👍👍🍺🍺🍻
@@walterathow5988 lmao! It's true - I'm not on camera very often! I have a couple specials in mind that would involve more of me in it! Cheers!!
The Regina Balticas sister is still with us but sadly we don’t know her future! Ex Viking Saga, Leeward, Celestial Crystal.!
@@nordisk1874 interesting! I bet they will continue to serve until they are deemed a liability - they seem pretty reliable!
@@shipwrecksunday yea but the Celestial Crystal has burned, sunk and sunk again.. yet she’s still with us.
@@nordisk1874 that's incredible!
Being Swedish I vaguely remember us having a day of national mourning when Estonia sank.😞 852 deceased, out of which 501 were Swedish. Only 137 people survived.
@@nian60 I'm so sorry for your nation's loss. It was absolutely horrific. I cannot imagine the mourning of a nation and of the families. Thank you so much for being here in the comments section, I appreciate you!
@@shipwrecksunday Thank you. 🤗 Thanks for making a video about it.
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@@joeanderson9852 thanks so much!!
Hello everyone. 👋.
@@leopardone2386 hello, my friend! Great to see you!
Hi I love your channel, you might like to look at Foundation Maritime especially their Tug Foundation Franklin a fascinating story with many epic rescues of ships in trouble.
@@fenman1954 thank you so much! I can definitely look into that!
@@shipwrecksunday they were a Canadian company. The Author Farley Mowatt wrote a book called the Grey seas under about Foundation Franklin, also a Book called The Serpent's Coil about the epic struggle to save a US Liberty ship after WW2 abandoned after almost sinking during a Hurricane.
Well they should have trained the crew better or hired people more competent. It's horrible 😢😢😢😢😢😢
@@steveshattuck8128 it's true!
Baltic Kristina is scrapped
Thank you for adding this!