Eluktronics MAG 15 1st Look Review - Compared to the Y740
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ต.ค. 2024
- Eluktronics partnered with Intel and designed a magnesium alloy 15.6" gaming laptop called the MAG 15. Available with either a GTX 1660Ti starting at $1499 or for $300 more a RTX 2070 Max Q.
The panel is a BOE 144 Hz panel with response time 3.8ms-5ms.
In terms of weight it is similar to the MSI GS65 but built much better.
You can buy either direct from Eluktronics to obtain repasting options, Dbrand Skins and upto a 3 year warranty:
www.eluktronic...
Or via Amazon:
1660Ti / 1TB NVME/ 32GB RAM $1699 amzn.to/32HDlgM
1660Ti / 512 GB NVME / 16 GB RAM $1499 amzn.to/2Qag9GE
2070MQ/ 512 GB NVME / 16GB RAM $1799
amzn.to/2Q81trz
2070MQ / 1TB NVME/ 32GB RAM $1799
amzn.to/2Nes5Vj
2070MQ / 2 TB NVME/ 64GB RAM / $2399
amzn.to/2ZXrb5w - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
Finally we'll get some good info about it 😁
@Nathan Super Probably not, I'm in Australia so depends whether they want to ship one over 😛
Bob has the 1660Ti one with stock paste so between us we should have it well covered 👍
@@OWNORDISOWN 👌👌👌
@Jarrod's Tech, comparing your GX502 games review with the games tested in this review, the performance of the MAG-15 isn't bad at all, especially for the price. Keep up the great work, both of you!
@@JarrodsTech 😁👌🏻
This guy has a personality of like everyones chill computer geek dad lol.
Lol
@@OWNORDISOWN blessings
This thing is so small! I just carried it over to the couch to watch this video and it’s so light too!
It’s leagues above the competition across many aspects 👍
But it has 1slot for mic and another one for audio... Is that usable?
@@dual_5928 On my MSi GS65 Stealth Thin the audio jack is also used as an mic jack. For playing video games, as i am listening to he audio, i just straight talk in to my earphone mic and it still works.
When is your review coming out?
I find separate audio and mic jacks son useful for recording online music via Audacity, rather than the audio being picked up my the external mic and speakers.
Proper Reviews that are actually accurate take a long time. The GT 76 review took me five weeks. I keep running into things that need addressed so this one might take a few weeks
Was really waiting for this! Saw Dave2d's review but he's been very wrong about thermals on laptops before. Glad to see your vid!
yeah
Thanks for watching! I make sure not to use Firestrike as my thermal test method, might as well play Roblox, lol
@@OWNORDISOWN game that made my laptop run the hardest is Far Cry (3/4) that engine must be garbage to cause a pc that much pain when the game is over 10 years old
Why does this guy's first look have more info than everybody else's review?
Thanks !
Thanks!
Lol because he has an eye for performance and details!
@What So true, that is exactly what happened to LTT, back in the day even LTT was pretty good and Informative.
Now THAT is a proper first look. Nice work.
Thanks, appreciate it !
Another reviewer that finally have the real review of the mag 15
Thanks mate 👍 stay tuned for the full review.
Still waiting on mine to get here! You’re one of the few people doing reviews besides Dave Lee which inspired me to purchase this laptop. Thanks for your review!
Hi William ! It certainly runs hotter than what Dave portrayed but we are working on a fix, especially a work around on the GPU throttling at 75 Degrees. It is a fantastic laptop, I used to have the Razer 15 and I prefer it over that. Thanks for watching my video !
Nice Stephen good to see you in Bob's stream last night. I don't think temps are bad considering how high of wattage it was pulling.
I think people just had unrealistic expectations thanks to Dave's video. What impresses me most about it is the crazy small footprint, big battery, and priced fairly unlike so many thin and light gaming laptops!
Thanks again!
Hey Jonathan! It was good listening to Bob last night, he has a great knowledge of laptops. I agree totally, Dave hyped it up because it was Intel. There are already comments on his video about people getting 90+ degrees with stock paste .
I had the Razer Blade 15 repasted with liquid metal and this is much cooler than that. Its cheaper, has an SD card reader and I think the build quality is tip notch. It is not a finger print magnet either. I do wish the speakers were louder I guess but that is all.
OWNorDisown i thpught mag 15 not released yet
I just found my next computer. Thanks! :)
Even linus didn't receive it before , Dave's got some serious reputation!
Dave has a lot of viewers so he got an early sample unit. As far as I know, Only Bob and I have review units at the moment.
@@OWNORDISOWN though your reviews are highly detailed and your early slight comparison really helps ! Thanks man
@@ShreetejParkar thanks mate 👍
Dave2D is a shill who never criticizes review units because he is afraid that he will stop receiving free review units. This is why it was "safe" for Eluktronics to give him this laptop before everyone else.
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DAVE2D review of the XPS 15 was generally negative here. I got the impression he wants DELL to improve thermals already and move on from the outdated chassis.
th-cam.com/video/l0HmxGNQ_ao/w-d-xo.html
Finally 2nd person to review the mag.thc mate iv ebeen waiting fornso long
Stay tuned for my full review 👍
Thaaaanks, first to upload the Helios 300 and first to the Mag-15 too, thanks :D
Thanks ! It was a lot of work last night to get it out in time .
I bought the Mech 17 and it didn't have the logo at all. Also, no stickers at the bottom except for the eluktronics number. I don't know if I got a weird rushed order or what. But I was debating between the Mech 15 or 17. I don't really need a light laptop so I decided to get the later.
Happy with my order and definitely a worth it gamble for me to try a new brand. Definitely recommend eluktronics.
Thanks for the awesome reviews as always!
Great ! I still have mine actually, it is very good. Eluktroboost works really well. Glad you like my videos 👍
Liquid metal should be defacto standard with gaming laptops. I wish more companies would do it, even if it adds a few bucks to the price.
I think that would be awesome ! Kudos to Eluktronics :)
Well you have that option with a lot of them. for eluktronics, buying from amazon has no liquid metal option
I've heard the LM degrades/loses its effectiveness quite fast
@@cptcosmic Once the copper absorves the gallium you can apply more galinstan and it wont absorb it further, thus having a perpetually functioning paste that does not dry unlike thermal paste
So someone is on crack. You're the 2nd reviewer (read: nobody else other than you-know-who) has reviewed this laptop. And both reviews are contradicting each other. One just hypes up and another does a thorough review (you!). Thank you and I hope more people can appreciate this rare review. Cheers!
Thanks mate ! I banged this out in just one evening, the other reviewer had it for a while. I am going to test it thoroughly - different power modes, disabling hyperthreading in BIOS, greater undervolt. Stay tuned !
D2D said AW m15 r1 has an impossible cooling, yeah, it has a trash cooling in fact.
Great! This laptop is an absolute gem. Will be waiting for the full review 👍👌
Thanks! It is really a nice laptop. I was always a fan of my Razer Blade 15 but I think this one has it beat 👍
Very happy to see you are reviewing this. It needed an actual review after it got the coverage from the big noob review channels. It looks like a promising laptop and a lot of value for the money, it's just that it's not a big brand name yet.
On another note, I am considering selling my msi gp73 with 1070 because even after repaste with Arctic mx4 it hits over 90C for the CPU in moderate-hardcore gaming. I also can't get Pavlov VR to run at over 65fps because of cpu thermal throttling. My gpu is at around 30% utilization and cpu at 20% in Pavlov. Other games hit higher percentages but yield lower temperatures somehow. do you think I should call msi? For reference, using samsung odyssey plus, laptop has 16gb single channel (maybe that is one problem), but the throttling and high temp is inexcusable
Thanks mate 👍 That does seem strange , lower CPU usage and higher temps.. have you tried lowering the CPU multipliers via Throttlestop?
Thanks for a great initial review. Very compelling laptop
Thanks Philip!
That's Steven for you guys. Great review 👍
Thanks Abdul ! I knew I needed to bang it out fast so pounded it out last evening. Thanks for watching :)
@@OWNORDISOWN although I am not planning on replacing my omen x 17 anytime soon but I love to watch your reviews. They are so genuine.
@@universe616 Thanks, that means alot to me 👍
Long time watcher, Recent Sub here, I was looking forward to this review for a week now, constantly checking like a kid at a candy store. Anywho Good job! :D also the prices in the description are a little off, just the 2070/1tb/32g is a couple bens short :3 keep up the good work, can't wait for more reviews!
I’d never heard of this company until I saw Dave 2Ds review! Now I can’t stop looking for reviews! I’m very impressed by all the options offered. The underdog is suddenly pushed to the top of the gaming thin and light! This machine is incredible! Gamers have been asking a certain company that came out with that gawd awful red when more than 16 gb of ram would be avail. No answer. The Mag-15 has answered the call to ALL of the requests. All I’m waiting for is the release date!!!! Thanks for the review! I suppose my only request is fan noise and overall touch thermals. Does the machine warm too much for comfort? Is the fan obnoxiously loud?
Hi Stan, it is a really nice laptop. Nery clean looking and doesn't show finger prints. Battery life is great - depending on usage and brightness setting expect 5.5 to 7 hours. SD card reader is a plus for me. I'm going to test all those things today, I expect max fan to be around 52db, but I will measure it.
yep, gaming laptops keep getting better and better. Someone finally realized that
- you can use magnesium alloy just liek the one used in LG gram
-you can make it without an upside down motherboard(like Acer triton and msi GS65 did)
-you can put a big battery inside, given how much power you get nowdays even with small sized batteries.
and here it is - a nearly perfect laptop. Just needs better fan control, needs to have a 45 watt TDP limit during combined CPU+GPU load and a better binned CPU(like in Helios 300 which is able to have -125 mv out of the box) and it would be pretty much flawless.
Great video and the way you are answering all of the questions in the comment section and helping everyone is remarkable. Instantly subbed & I liked the video. Good job!
Thanks for this amazing review. This is definitely better than Alienware or Predator.
With the near perfect cooling w/o a cooling pad, the decent sound, a reasonable keyboard with RGB, and excellent graphics, this is phenomenal.
Thank you for the thorough review.
Thanks, appreciate it ! Full review to follow, I will start filming footage tomorrow, I also plan on doing a live Game stream video on Twitch, which I will upload to YT. Thanks for watching :)
@@OWNORDISOWN can't wait for your full review and the Bob Of All Trades one !!! :D i refresh my youtube page every 10 minutes ^^
Bob manage to tweak it and have amazing performance, you can see it here : forum.notebookreview.com/threads/eluktronics-mag-15-15-6-144hz-gaming-laptop.830272/page-6#post-10950933
But i presume you already know it.
Thank you kindly Sir for reading comments and making a great review as usual. I also enjoy your calming voice which has a soothing quality to it. Thanks!
Found your on a comment on Dave2d's video. Thanks for the review.
A live gaming performance would be perfect!! Maybe something like what you did with the helios 300 (2019).
Yes, I will probably do that on this laptop :)
Congrats for the review. Was looking for one for weeks! Just subscribed to your channel!
So much info for a first look! God job sir for a wonderful review! Would really love to have this laptop if I have the money.
Thanks ! I cover even more details in my review th-cam.com/video/j3jHu0DcQAg/w-d-xo.html
2:42 - It's so weird to see "$2400" and hearing "mine's fully spec'ed out" at the same time on a gaming laptop LOL. I mean usually we hear $3000+.
Yes, its a refreshing change :)
Amazing review!! I hope some more gaming benchmarks come soon too. Keep at it!
Thanks, most definitely. This was just my first look :)
Good review, much more detailed than the only other one at this point.
Could you review this compared to the Razer Blade 15? I feel those two are the most similar in size and specs.
Hi Dustin, this was my first look actually, banged out one few hours last night. In my review I will be undervolting more - both the CPU and GPU, as well as testing more games.
I have footage from my 1070 Max Q Razer 15, I think the chassis remains unchanged and indeed this MAG 15 is a good competitor to it. I can include my footage of that as comparison. I really liked my Razer 15 and mine was actually repasted with liquid metal too. I had to downclock that to 3500 Mhz to keep cool, whilst this MAG 15 does a better job. The biggest issue at the moment is the GPU is capped at 74 Degrees max, beyond that it will throttle down. Thanks for watching my video 😀
Hi, great video. Did you get confirmation from Eluktronics that they are working on a fix for the thermal limit?
Sam Xin Thanks, glad you liked it. They are working on an updated control center, should be released next couple of days I think,
@@OWNORDISOWN Can you make another video after they fix it to let us know the results?
Like a before and after video? That might be a good idea :)
Ok this laptop's value is crazy. Nothing beats is basically
I agree, I ran my battery test and got 7 hours. Really solid machine.
OWNorDisown is ur test youtube videeos?
@@ACE112ACE112 yeah I wanna know too. for 94 watt hour battery 7 hours would actually not be impressive given it has Nvidia optimus
Hi, thanks for the review. I actually ordered the MAG-15 2070 32Gb and 1TB version from Eluktronics website. Overall with my new credit card and $0 taxes, I am getting the piece for $1870 along with the DBrand skin, their new mouse, mouse pad and the SKB case. My primary reason for ordering this was because it just has all the stuff I wanted. Good and subtle build, good specs, great battery and great price. I personally like to game but am a coder, rtx GPU's are essentially way better at deep learning training. TH-cam reviewers, review laptops as their job, Not everyone will be affected by extreme use cases of the product. Please share your thoughts.
Actually I earn my living by selling metal, cant survive on TH-cam money. For example my Y540 video that took 2 weeks of testing and filming plus 8 hours to edit has made me $6 so far....
I think you nailed all the key benefits to this laptop. I had the Razer Blade 15 advanced and even though I loved it I did wish it had an ethernet port and Sd card reader. The only thing this misses is the mDP but we should be able to use the TB3 port.
For most gamers the 1660ti probably makes most sense but in your use case I agree the 2070 MQ is a good option. Good point about the zero tax as well 👍
@@OWNORDISOWN Hey, thanks for your reply. I didn't mean any offence to you being a reviewer, it's good that you do it because I will never buy nothing without reading and watching about it first. Other reason was in the same price point, the new gigabyte aero and razer blade were giving 16 gigs and 512gb hard disk. Any discounted steals meant settling for an 2018 model of the laptops. Anyway, I am still waiting for the laptop, ordered it on the 6th of Sept. Hope its issues free, but they said they will cover return shipping as well.
That's a great price for that loadout. For some reason picking 2070 + 32MB/1TB jumps me straight to $2k without any of the extras you also got. Is there a coupon or something that I'm missing?
@@Tsunami3k I actually got $170 cashback on my new credit card. No coupons or discounts. Just that the extra stuff in intel gamer day bundle [luminosa mouse, rgb mousepad and the waterproof skb case and a skin] are no longer being offered.
tarutak Yes, I’m sure if you don’t like it they will take care of you. Did you go for the liquid metal option? From what I have seen that shaves off about 5 degrees C. They will be launching a patched version of the control center soon I believe.
Smaller than the Y740, as light as the GS65 and without the inverted motherboard, and similar specs to both. I have both the Y740 and GS65, and this laptop makes me sad LOL. Thought they don't ship internationally and will be difficult for warranty outside the U.S, so there's that.
They do tell me that they are close to doing international shipping but as you say warranty is important. Hope they can solve those things.
what don't you like about those two laptops? the y740 looks like it would be what I want if I get the 2070 version on sale. I have a 1070 msi gp73 right now, looking for something better cooled and smaller, at a good price/performance ratio
@@OWNORDISOWN Wait, they did? As in "We are planning to do international shipping soon?" That's great news!
@@cristianconstantin6496 they're both good laptops but not perfect. I love them for what I use them for. The Y740 isn't too heavy but its AC adapter is huge which makes the total weight over 3kg. So u cant carry it around all the time. The GS65 is light but not easy to upgrade since the motherboard is inverted. If you dont travel much, the y740 is probably the best option if it's on sale.
@ Tra Nguyen
You can’t carry the laptop around because the Lenovo has a bigger power brick than most other laptops? This one looked like it was pretty much the same size.
That CPU runs so cool =| Insane.
This is a better review. Unlike Dave2Shit that didn't bother doing anything, he's turned into MKBHD where it's just cool shots but no useful info.
Thanks Steven ! He gets over a 1000 subs a day versus my 30-40 so perhaps I am taking the wrong approach, LOL
@@OWNORDISOWN keep up the good work!
I think Dave2D's reviews are fine except for thermals. I wish he still did the thermal cam of the keyboard
@@OWNORDISOWN You, bob, jarrod's tech, and lisa (although i feel her vids are a little to long) are so much better then all the main stream channels. Keep up what you are doing. But yes it does seem flash is much easier to sell then substance. Which is what channels like dave2d, hardware canucks, and austins channel are. You get absolutely nothing out of a 5 min video of theres. All it is is flashy high quality video shots of the product giving you info you could of read off the bestbuy product page.
But there are other channels that dont do laptops and are more on the pc build and parts review side that do get as technical as you guys and have a ton of viewers. So i think as laptops become the norm as they keep getting closer and closer to the desktop counterparts your channels will start to get that audience. Just need that dye to shrink so that thermals could go down. We are getting there. And if not there cloud gaming will eventually become the future anyway.
@@creaturecore13 thanks mate👍 Yes, cloud gaming will probably be the future. I need to start testing that stuff out, it's so hard when you work full time and TH-cams algorithm seems to like a video every alternate day. Appreciate the support and encouragement 😀
thank you for not puitting a numpad on this
What's so bad about a num-pad?
@@ACE112ACE112 Some people don't actually use it often, especially on a laptop, and so it just clutters up the keyboard space.
I, for one, like having the numpad because it's super useful for me when I do need it, like for flying planes in GTA lol.
I also use it for Dead Cells. I have the Eluktronics Mech-17.
lilracerboi at least it isn't like my y7000. it has the wonkiest numpad layout. unusable
Please another review video after 3 weeks of use! :) thanks!
Please test temps when its not flat on the table. Try a laptop cooler or just lift it up a little at least, it makes a big difference
sure I can test that :)
@@OWNORDISOWN thanks so much, i love your channel for good honest reviews.
@@armondadkhah thanks, appreciate that !
I heard you say you won't do any testing until Eluktronics fixes 75c thermal limit on the GPU. I've been talking to European people at XMG (identical EU version) and they told me that they already tried discussing the thermal limit with Intel and Intel will not consider removing the limit.
Link to the comment where they said this (end of the comment): www.reddit.com/r/XMG_gg/comments/d442rc/megathread_xmg_fusion_15_with_intel/f0xky1m?
Thank you so much for this review, i canno't wait for the full review.
I really consider buying this one (it's been a year i am looking for replacement laptop), but the temp is my main concern.
I hope their is a way for unlock the 74°C limit on gpu, and if so, i am curious to see how the cpu temp will be affected.
Do you think it will be possible to achieve the 2070 max q 100w like on the razer blade pro 17 with an hack bios or something ?
I don't understand how razer can achieve this performance and unlock the TDP like that, because the results are insane for this card on Jarrod's channel, even almost better than the 2080 max q.
Thanks for your job ;)
Thanks ! We are hoping that there will be a BIOS update to update the GPU throttle threshold, this would allow the Eluktroboost to work to similar levels as that of the Blade 17. That would be awesome !
Thanks so much for a proper review! The Mag-15 and the Mech-15 with the 2060 i7 9th gen and the top cooling comes out to the same price, would you recommend one over the other?
As a statistician, the numpad is more appealing....but the specs I wanted aren't sold together and would've only been 1200, so it seems more cost effective to get the Mag at this point.
Great review! Do you think I could take the 2070 version with me to my classes and not need to plug in til the end of the day?
Looks so beautiful that laptop.
It is, I really like it 👍
Nice review, subscribed!!!
Thanks ! Appreciate the sub :) I will be doing a live game stream video on this as well as a full review showing you various tweaks and benchmarks.
Useful comparison. Thanks for doing the video. Can you post some UK links as well next eg. for the Legion.
Thanks, appreciate it ! BTW, I live in the USA
Nice review. Can you please make videos about repasting and thermal differences on repasted laptops vs. stock paste.
I actually did that video a bit ago, much depends on what the stock paste is like and the cooling system so will vary per laptop: th-cam.com/video/1u_CXoQzNNg/w-d-xo.html
Why isnt the GPU boosting beyond 1400mhz? Is it being thermally limited to 75 degrees? So this doesnt have the same eluktroboost like the mech 15? In your full review can you look into the GPU clock rates and try to improve it in some way?
well 2070 mq usually only goes that high and Idk why the thermal limit is so low at 75 degrees. on the eluktronics website the mag-15 has the eluktroboost option.
Could be a lower watt part hearing there are multiple variants of the 2070 MQ with some locked at a hard 80 and others able to get almost 110. Might just be random chip lottery.
@@BunkerAnon i'm pretty sure they put in a 90w variant of the 2070mq, there are no 110w variants but the razer blade pro 17 and the new alienwares have 100w 2070 variants. The one on the razer performs even better than a max -p 2070. I think its because max q chips are binned out of the factory so they consume less power. Problem is, in the eluktronics mech 15 you had the option to use eluktroboost which overclocks the GPU by 300mhz hence easily going to max-p levels, clocks go upto 1900mhz. I dont see this here, even in performance mode. Most max-q 90w 2070s clock average 1500mhz. This one runs around 1200-1300 which is disappointing
Yes, the 2070 MQ is set to throttle at 75 degrees according to GPU-Z. The Eluktroboost is baked into performance mode. Don't expect it to perform like the Mech series, its going to be more like a regular turbo boost mode, but as you say its going to be limited by the GPU temperature. I'm going to have to try and undervolt the GPU to keep it below the 75 mark
@@OWNORDISOWN any way to increase the max temperature? I wouldn't mind a 80 degree temp on the GPU if in return it gives killer performance
Can you do more videos with more games please? Your the only one other than Dave Lee who has made a video of this laptop.
All those laptops with the same Chinese chassis like Eluctronix 17" with 2070 are mostly the same, but... They have similar price (+/- $200), similar specs (Eluctronix have built in boost option and it's sounds good) but which is better? Some of them are hotter, some of them are tougher... There are 4-5 different manufacturers with same 144hz/17.3" and seems like no one did honest comparison. I saw couple of bias reviews but what is your thoughts on that, Steve? I guess we both agree that your wallet should have infinite amount of money to make them all fight against each other.
Have a great day =)
All I can say is that the Mech 17 I sti have was the fastest 2060 laptop I have tried. The screen is great too. The styling is OK , but not my favorite, like the keyboard. But yeah, their Eluktroboost on the mech series takes some beating and I hope to see it on future models.
@@OWNORDISOWN thanks, Steven. I will look forward into 2070 ver. If my wallet will able to get "Infinite Money" cheat I will send you a review unit =)
Thank you for the video. Very informative! I am thinking of getting Mag-15. In your opinion is the $300 worth the upgrade for the RTX 2070 Max Q? Would there be a significant performance boost?
Thanks Michael, glad you found it useful. Personally I think the 1660Ti is adequate and would rather spend the $300 on another m.2 SSD. You can put in another 2TB Intel 660p for less than that.
@@OWNORDISOWNI think l'll do that. Makes total sense.
The 2TB one that you got has 2 SSDs with 1TB each?
Was thinking of getting the Helios 300 but I just think this will be better to work with and carry around and the long battery life is a big plus for me.
@@michaelpallanore7990 hi Michael, mine came with a 2TB intel 660p and one open m.2 slot so you can really add quite a bit of storage in this.
Can't express how happy I am 😭😭😭
Thanks for watching !
D2D's review showed extremely low thermals... How? Was it sponsored or something? Glad there still are honest YTbers like you! Ty.
Thanks mate 👍 I know for a fact that Dave's laptop had the Coolermaster Master Gel paste, no liquid metal. So the only way he could get those temperatures were in balanced mode. I still have to test that but I heard that the GPU is clocked much lower. He doesnt show the Rivatuner overlay probably because it will show the low clock rate. It is a big Intel Design and perhaps that was why he have it such a glamorous review. Still, it is a very nice laptop. Biggest issue is perhaps the GPU is capped at 75 Deg C max. The Nvidia spec is 87 degrees, so this means it will initially boost up nicely till it hits 75 degrees and then throttle down. This is an Intel thing and we are working with Eluktronics to see if we can get a BIOS update to bring this back to 87 degrees.
I prefer it over the Razer 15 I had which used to be my favorite thin and light laptop. Thanks for stopping by my channel !
@@OWNORDISOWN You're welcome and yeah, let's not get deep into that anyways, he did his job...
I think D2D just test it without objectivity. I bought AW m15 because of his comment of its thermal. Saying it’s incredible and impossible, so as MAG 15
@@Gogobs728ssskenda I got slammed for saying the m15 ran hot. People were cancelling orders left and right with Hidevolution. Its difficult balance as a reviewer but its important to be honest and show it as it is. I also got slammed from Gigabyte about an Aorus 15 laptop. That throttled terribly and it turned out the reviewer before me had taken it apart and hadn't put the cooling apparatus together well.
@@bomj-valera I just think, it is important to state your settings , in this case what power setting you are using, the game setting too. You will notice I gave that info and also the fact that Far Cry 5 was running for 15 minutes. I timed it.
is this a one hand open laptop? can't wait for the full review!
This laptop wouldve been a for sure purchase if they had it with a 240hz or even the new 300hz screens.
What's the point of a 240hz screen if you're only getting around 100 fps on games?
@@B3NNi420 more divisors for vsync. 240 can be divided by 30, 60, 120 for example
Ah! Was looking forward to this one.
Stay tuned for the full review :)
you're one of the few trustworthy ones man. The rest of these laptop reviewers are just mouth pieces for teh companies
What a nice looking laptop! This is so sexy, like an evolution of thinkpad design
Looks like another case of a slightly misleading Dave 2D review, makes me feel better about having already bought a new laptop.
This does look like a great machine though, small footprint + great battery life.
Yeah a laptop is a laptop. Thermals are always going to be noticable. But if you want a big battery in a gaming laptop you don't have many options since manufacturers rather put a 2.5" drive.
@@nathancasey7712 The thermals don't seem too bad even though it was thermal throttling. My Lenovo Y7000 gets about 75-85 celsius gpu and cpu is around there too. It has roughly the same fps for battlefield V as bob of all trades mech 15 g2
@@ACE112ACE112 but this unit has liquid metal
@@ACE112ACE112 What Nathan said - it has liquid metal which is often a gamechanger. MSI GS 65 undervolted and repasted with liquid metal shows about the same temps, if not lower. This laptop is still better though, bigger battery, better build quality, easy access to components for about the same price as GS65.
Curious, what was misleading about Dave's review?
Excellent video! This laptop makes me think of myself OVERPOWERED 17 ". Do you think Walmart is going to get a cheaper version with OVERPOWERED using this same chassis?
Thanks ! Probably not, Intel is calling the shots on who they are partnering with.
Been months not watching Ur videos😅 Sorry
I have exam coming up🤣
I will be back again after finishing my exam
No problem, good luck with your exam 👍
Thank you💪 Sir, would you do review on MSI GE66 Raider, upcoming Gaming Laptop?
And also I want to know whether 10the gen processor is faster or the former gen processor ?
@@deusgame2890 yes, definitely want to test that one. I still have to upload my MSI CES coverage actually, once I do that I'll reach out to them.
Thank You💪
almost perfect, just 300 nits is deal-breaker for me. if it was 500 it will be perfect laptop for me
very nice! thanks a bunch
Nice little machine! I wish it was available in my region.
They are looking at international shipping options. Also other manufacturers are making them like the XMP Fusion 15
@@OWNORDISOWN The XMG fusion 15 will be available next week in Europe :)
@Ownordisown I am a fan of your review style and in depth analysis.
Do you see a possibility of any discount during the black friday sale? Or a pricecut this year
Thanks, appreciate it 👍. I've not heard of anything. I guess it depends how sales are going, unlikely to see a discount if it's already selling like hotcakes...
Nice laptop but boy was Dave2D wrong about this laptop, sure cooling was decent but that’s thanks to the LM and GPU repaste, don’t get me wrong I think this is a very good laptop on its own but the way other TH-camr’s were talking it up you’d think the cooling system was out of this world.
If you can just compare performance with the Lenovo Y740, I think it’s a good laptop to compare too since they both have the same specs and people looking to buy laptops like this probably have those 2 on their list to buy.
Thanks
Yes, that was my thought process. To compare it to the Y740. Dave's unit had the Coolermaster Master Gel on it, so no LM. I suspect he ran it in balanced mode, rather than in performance, My issue is he doesn't state what settings he uses, how long he has played for and uses Firestrike to test thermals. This laptop is a really nice laptop, main issue is the GPU is se to throttle at 75 deg C versus the usual 87 deg C.
@ OWNorDisown
While most RTX GPU’s run relatively cool compared to the CPU’s this laptops GPU 75c deg throttle could be troublesome, I’m guessing it’s the 80W RTX 2070MQ since the 90W generally runs hotter depending on the cooling.
Wish it had ElectroBoost but now I can see why they don’t have it for this laptop it would most likely thermally throttle the GPU due to the abnormally low GPU throttle limit, that’s a major disappointment.
@@artvoy1 it does if you chec eluktronics website. its built into performance mode
Could of swore I heard David say it was not, great if it is but the very low throttle GPU cap still sucks.
@@OWNORDISOWN He oviously is misleading in his review. Look at hwinfo64 on his screen when hes showing the thermals, his max CPU usage is 22%. Dave lost a follower when I noticed that. Cant trust him anymore after that and the Alienware false thermals. Great review btw!
For that price tag you can snag a Y740 17" with a 2070 Max Q on ebay for $1500... which does not make sense in comparison
Yes, but the MAG 15 isnt meant to be compared to a larger 17" laptop, it's even smaller than the 15" Y740. It more meant for those seeking to have something more portable .
Very curious to compare thermals between your liquid metal and bobs normal paste. You're hitting mid-eighties with liquid metal makes me think this might end up running hot with normal thermal paste.
Yeah, I believe what Bob has said in his limited time with it that it can run in the low 90s in games like BF V
@@OWNORDISOWN I watched his twitch stream last night. In overwatch it was in the mid 80s up to 90s. Seems to run same temperature as a bunch of other laptops so nothing cool about this compared to every other well cooled i7. It doesnt seem to run hot like the dell's and a few other bad cooling designs. And the fact its so compact is nice. Are you going to be doing temperature tests in a few different modes? Wondering what the temps are like while gaming in balanced mode vs performance. Also xmg has theirs shipping with a 180 watt brick vs the 230. Whats your opinion on that? They offer a really small 180 watt brick that would be ideal for travel if its enough to power this. Oh, incidentally xmg said in their thread there was not much difference with liquid metal vs normal paste in this laptop. That thread can be found here, www.notebookchat.com/index.php?topic=101210.15
@@creaturecore13 I spoke with Bob this morning and he said that his CPU is set to throttle at 90Deg C, which I suspect mine is too, so it will reach to about 94 then drop down - depending on the game of course. I will be testing the other modes, Bob said his 1669Ti clocks at 645 mhz in Balanced mode. I still have to test mine, I was up late trying to get the video up. Wanted it live asap to help people make an educated purchase. I also plan on undervolting the GPU and CPU with the aim to get that GPU under 75 degrees and maintaining a higher clock.
From what I have heard from Bob and seen on mine, it does seem that LM does help a bit. Perhaps 5 degrees C ? It actually might be more useful on the GPU to help keep that below the 75 degree threshold
@@OWNORDISOWN I wonder if they chose to throttle the GPU since it is so thin/small even with liquid metal?
I'd rather have lower CPU clock speed/wattage for gaming considering most games are more GPU dependant and allow the GPU to boost higher. Jarrods last video showed that with the zephyrus CPU throttling but still beating 2080 max q's due to no Optimus/115 W 2070.
The eluktroboost feature won't matter that much considering it can't boost higher clock/wattage if it's throttling... Not taking anything away from the machine though. Looks beautiful, really small footprint, great battery life etc.
Just more clear thanks to you and Bob it isn't "perfect" in every way. If someone solely bought this from Dave's video, they'd probably assume this thing could be overclocked like a desktop PC lol.
Thanks again for your hard work Stephen
@OWNorDisown can you help me decide between mag 15 and razer blade 15. If money wasn’t a consideration, would you prefer the mag 15 Over the razed blade with the same specs?
this is like a helios 300+LG Gram hybird, I approve! I just wish they used binned CPU-s just like Helios 300, not those weak ones with only -50mv where you can't go much lower. Same flaw with Asus Zephirus models.
What's the battery life like for watching youtube?
TabalugaDragon I got 7 hours at 25% brightness, not bad at all. With the screen at about 50 or 60% , balanced mode and RGB lights on I got around 5 to 5.5 hrs checking comments.
@@OWNORDISOWN hmm, weird, I expected more. I get that with my Dell G3 and it's 56 watt hour battery. I never understood that many gaming laptops with average sized batteries get good battery life, but other laptops with same hardware, with batteries much bigger aren't much better at all.
However, maybe for watching youtube the MAG 15 would work more
@@TabalugaDragon yeah, Bob said that with general use he was getting 5 to 6 but not sure what brightness or power settings he used.
I guess if you turn off bluetooth and undervolt more you could get to 7.5 hours.
Atlast. Thanks for the review😋
Thanks for watching ! Full review to follow, this was just a taste :)
Thanks so much for review, pretty much appreciated.
I'm wondering to know exactly how mag-15 deal with similar competitors, like Aero 15 classic-sa.
There is a version of Aero 15 that uses i7-9750h and 1660ti. Battery is pretty much same 94-96Wh, weight is pretty same 1.8-2.0kg, similar price... it's a real comparison to get an idea about thermals, panel quality, performance, consumption, speakers, fan noise, and get an accurate price/quality rate to that laptops category (same with rtx2070 max-q). (mag-15 has liquid metal), it needs to be considerated.
I did review the 2070 MQ model and indeed that would serve as a good comparison :) Here is my review: th-cam.com/video/H0NOCJ0OR8g/w-d-xo.html
This looks really nice. I'm looking for something for on the go live streaming (from a camera, not gaming) Do you think the battery will last through a 2 hour baseball game? Also is this one capable of charging over USB 3?
Thanks
Yes it should do. It lasted me 7 hours streaming YT at 25% brightness . If you lower the display brightness, turn off key lighting you should be good.
The USB C port doesnt charge it though
Love the straight forward to the point quick general review. I'm not sure when you will post a full review but I've been needing to buy a laptop for Video editing and gaming and it seems like it's a very good thing I held off. I'm not very knowledgeable about computers but i'm learning. My major question is can you buy the 2070 w 512GB and 16 RAM and just upgrade the NVme and RAM yourself? I"m not sure how good the Intel NVMe are versus the samsung 970 evo Pro? Also RAM they didn't really indicate which brand they use on their website. Or is it cheaper to upgrade though their website? Is the Optane memory really worth it? From what I read that' not really necessary if you are using NVME drive since the optane is only for booting programs? I know it's a lot of questions just really liking the price for what you would get versus a RAZER BLADE 15 and even a XPS 7590! Even though the screen colors seem to be at lot lower their their counterparts. Would appreciate your help. This would be my first gaming/video editing laptop that i'm trying to decide on. Subbed
CV budget gaming? It costs $1499 for only 1660ti. This is premium price.
@@Gogobs728ssskenda WTF are you talking about. I never indicated anything regards "budget gaming" or talked about premium pricing. How about next.time you read thoroughly and actually responds to what is being asked.
The 74C GPU temp limit doesn't look good. If those are temps with LM, then nowhere as revolutionary as Dave claimed (again). Lost trust on his thermal reviews since he reviewed the original AW m15. Still, overall with a good UV, it might be good enough, better than AW m15 for sure.
Yeah, I remember that m15 review. I got one with LM on it and it was a furnace and got slammed for it. Lol. Well, many people reported bad thermals with that m15. I will undervolt this further. Bob has the stock paste 1660Ti and his can get into the 90s on the CPU. Still, it is a very nice laptop. The chassis leaves very few, if any, fingerprints.
The temps seem comprable to my Lenovo y7000 gtx 1060
@@OWNORDISOWN I own m15, so I know all the optimizations I had to do to get avg temps close to 85C, don't recommend it.
Surely waiting for your & Bob's reviews, for the price Mag 15 is a good cheap alternative to Blade 15 with a good battery life, unlike Blade's base model.
@@ACE112ACE112 Those out of the box temps are decent, if not good. Hope undervolting further will drop temps by a few degrees. UV your Y7000 if you haven't already.
I would say it is far better then my AW m17. Mine reaches 100C in almost every game and even after thermal throttling stays at 100C. This sucks man as I was so excited for my first laptop.
Looks really promising. Wonder who the UK distributers will be? Interested in the 1660ti version for value.
XMG Fusion15 :)
would be great to have a comparison video between the MAG-15, Aero 15 and the Razer Blade 15
That would be awesome. Unfortunately I sold my Razer Blade a while ago. One thing Hidevolution has agreed upon is to send me 3 laptops to do comparison videos. That will help alot .
Man it's only been 10 days since you got this laptop! How long does it usually take to review a laptop like this properly, I wonder. Do you turn it into your daily driver during this testing period @ownordisown?
Ordinarily I would have done my live game stream video on it about now and a few days later the review. HOWEVER - Eluktronics is working on a new command center and I dont want to put out a review with old information. I've shot some footage of course but as soon as I get that update I can start testing .
No, I dont use it as my daily driver. I have 4 laptops on the go at the moment to review. My daily drivers are the Omen 15 and Clevo P870TM
Great, thanks for the review. I was thinking about returning my current 1660 Ti laptop (GS65) for this due to thermals.
It looks like MAG15 handles CPU-only stress very well (only about 74 degrees running AIDA @ 3.5GHz stable and 60W TDP? Thats really good) but when running games with the addition of GPU it does get hot, even with liquid metal paste.
My laptop gets much hotter just running CPU stress tests and it will hit 95C even with -150mV undervolt, although it doesn't have liquid metal paste.
Thanks, glad you liked it 👍 Of course, this is just my first look and I will be providing more in depth testing in the review. Intels priority on this was the CPU performance and it does well . The GPU is hobbled a bit,they have set it throttle at 75 degrees rather than the normal 87 , they have done this to keep the CPU temperature down as much as possible due to those 3 shared heat pipes. Still, it is a great laptop but I do recommend liquid metal on it. Thanks for watching!
@@OWNORDISOWN I just looked up your old GS65 (with i7 8750H instead of 9750) also with liquid metal paste, so it can be apples to apples comparison.
You were running a different benchmark back then but it was hitting 81C max fan / 87C stock fan settings.
MAG-15 is showing 86C at stock fan which isn't much better (especially with -50mV stock undervolt) but the 72C at max fan is impressive.
Patiently waiting for your full review on this laptop! I need to understand how much of the thermal performance is down to the design vs LM paste.
Yes indeed, I was impressed with the LM application Hidevolution did on that GS65. But remember it has an inverted motherboard and not something you want to do yourself really.
Nice review! It's sad Eluktronics doesn't offer international shipping. Keyboard should be really a selling point. Based on its price and estimated tariff I might be able to get Y740 2080 max q with similar cost. So I guess it's just not worth it to spend time and efforts on getting it. Such a good offer for US consumers though.
You can check out the XMG Fusion 15 its the same laptop...
@@OWNORDISOWN Thx I'll check it out!
According to Dave2D the keyboard is meh. ownordisown also said that he is missing more keystrokes than usual
Can you test to see if the thunderbolt is wired correctly to the GPU for new VR hookup?
I can test it either via my monitor (I think it has a TB port) or an eGPU. My HTC Vive is the original and it uses HDMI
@@OWNORDISOWN thanks! The new hmds are both displayport sadly
You can be a great audiobook voice actor :)
Thanks! Hopefully not one that makes people fall asleep !
Would've liked to see the undervolted performance with a comparison to the mag-17 try it and give us the temp average on the cpu
This was a first look of course. Review will be up as soon as I get the new control center to test. That will be available 1st week October
Would you reccomend this over the Helios 300? (2019 version) in terms of performance, fan. Noise and build quality?
I would, although it is more expensive. It is a great performer and recent updates have improved it a lot. Here is my review: th-cam.com/video/j3jHu0DcQAg/w-d-xo.html
Could you please confirm if this laptop's panel uses PWM for brightness control? Eluktronics haven't replied to my email on this yet.
Thanks for you efforts, you are doing a great job!
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Thanks! I just checked and even at minimum brightness my camera didn't detect anything so looks like it is good !
pwm?
So I found the panel that they are using in the Mag 15. Model is BOE NV156FHM-N4G. Super sucky news, this panel is infamous for terrible 20-25 response time and PWM flickering. See this post with Razer users getting this panel in their units instead of the LG and having issues. www.reddit.com/r/razer/comments/9xfurc/beware_of_pwm_on_blade_15_advanced_144hz_boe_panel/
@@mikewestin8703 Oh My! That's what I originally read somewhere and was curious to confirm this.
Was thinking of upgrading to this from a 6700HQ and 1060 6GB laptop. Would you consider the 1660 TI or 2070 Max Q to be a significant enough upgrade to justify the expense?
I do like that it should have better battery life and smaller size than the laptop I currently have, (Eluktronics P650RP6), but wondering if I should wait a little longer for a CPU that doesn't get so toasty.
Any thoughts you have would be greatly appreciated!
Hi Jonathan, interestingly I just did a video comparing the 1060 vs a 1660Ti
th-cam.com/video/okRZLeVcA2U/w-d-xo.html
There is a 24% improvement on average, and the 2070 MQ will be about 10 to 15% better still.
My buddy has the 1660Ti one with the Coolermaster Master Gel paste and his CPU goes up to 94 and then throttles down so I really recommend the LM repaste.
The biggest issue so far is the GPU is set to throttle at 75 deg C, so this negates the Eluktroboost. We are working on getting a fix for this as it should be 87 degrees. That being said, performance is still pretty good and my CPU runs well.
I really like the build quality, the keyboard. For me I think it is better than the Razer 15 I had.
I still have to do more testing for the review so stay tuned for that!
Hey Steve sorry to bother you again, can you test contrast ratio on this display? I have seen European model test of this laptop and they measured something like 690:1, I wonder if same applies to this model.
Please test the balanced mode Steven, I want to see how dave got such awesome temps. Also could you test the difference in heat and performance from hyperthreading on v off?
Sure will ! Bob said that on his 1660Ti the balanced mode dropped the GPU to about 650Mhz. Firestrike isn't exactly taxing. Perhaps he was just using balanced mode..
Dave got awesome temps cause hes being deceptive and didnt even push the computer. Look on his screen when hes showing the thermals. CPU max load was like 22% LMAO. Fraud.
Who's cooling is better the mag-15's or acer predator helios 300 2019's
Well, based on what Bob was saying about his stock paste on his MAG 15 its going to be close. Mine has LM on it and as you can see it is fine. If I was to buy this laptop I would have them put LM on it.
who? they aren't people
which has better cooling*
the problem is. the warranty is only within the U.S. outside, you are not covered even at the first day of receiving this laptop and every laptop of those brands
If you are in Europe the XMG Fusion 15 is the same laptop
@@OWNORDISOWN I travel to the middle east for work and stay there for a long time. Unfortunately, I feel confused now on whether to buy this laptop or no since it is not covered there. I am thinking about buying Asus
Thanks for the review. Have you seen the XMG Fusion15? If so what are your thoughts on pricing?
Also 2 questions about this laptop itself.
1. How is the keyboard? Dave2d wasnt very happy with it and I also have great concerns about it. Is it really weird to get used to and has much different feeling if you hit keys on edges? I also heard about this keyboard with older gens so its improved from then but people were saying they are doing much more typing errors even when using it for months. Im a programmer so a good keyboard is essential for me. Also is it quiet enough (the keyboard) to be well fitted in quiet rooms or would this keyboard be much louder compared to people typing on membrane keyboards?
2. Is the laptop louder than Razer15 and other "good" gaming laptops?
Thanks in advance
Matic Cavalleri thanks, glad you liked my first look. At full load the max fan is 53 dB, performance mode with balanced fan is 48 dB. So i would say similar to other gaming laptops.
As for the keyboard, the keys do bend at the edges but register. They don’t feel strange to me.
I hung a mic 10” above the keyboard and measured 46db in use. The Lenovo Y540 was 44db and Triton 500 45db. So they are a bit louder but not massively so.
@@OWNORDISOWN Oh, thanks. Certainly quieter than I expected. 1-2db is almost nothing so that shouldn't been an issue. Hopefully the edge bending doesn't feel weird and makes you do more errors. Is it similar to how membrane keyboards bend on edges (on laptops)?
thanks again!
This laptop has everything I would like to see changed on the Y740, making it my current favourite “thin and light” laptop.
Can you test the display’s colour accuracy if you’re doing a follow-up review of this product? I would love to know if the laptop can be used for amateur photo/video work as well as gaming.
Thanks ! The problem I have is that Spyder5 doesnt work fully with windows build 1903. I was able to measure brightness and contrast, that was it. Panelook says it has 72% NTSC so I suspect 96 to 98% sRGB.
Thanks, it seems like a good build. I’m still leaning towards the Lenovo P1 (it checks all the boxes for my personal/professional needs, it’s only missing a touchscreen with a good refresh rate), but the MAG-15 is SOOO tempting.
2011Kestrel p1 screen is PWM, I had headache with it. So I returned my p1. If you don’t care PWM, p1 is a beast! Super quiet !
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Which display did you have? The P1 has four options - I’m interested in the UHD IPS display option.
@@2011Kestrel if only we can afford two laptops 😉
This may be a stupid question, but, is it possible to install the Nvidia studio drivers on this laptop or does it have those pre-installed? I have been looking for a content creation laptop and this seems like it might be a good choice paired with an external 4k monitor. What do you think?
Hi! First, thanks for all your quality reviews! It is always a great work!
I would need an advice from a wise pc guy. Could you please tell me which one you think is the best for gaming from today to the 2/5 next years between:
Helios 300 (2019): intel i7-9750H, gtx 1660 ti 6gb, 16gb ddr4, 256gb pcie nvme ssd.
Helios 500: intel i7-8750H, gtx 1070, 16gb ddr4, 256gb pcie nvm ssd.
I don't really care about the size, weight, battery life and price difference between those models. I've been told that the Helios 300 has a better optimisaton but i believe that the Helios 500 still has higher performances overall. So what do you think?
Thanks!
Thanks, glad you like my videos :) The GTX 1070 is more powerful than the 1660Ti by about 8 % or so, so not a huge amount. I expect the 500 to be able to hold higher boost clocks on the CPU than the 300 due to its better cooling. Have you considered the 500 with the Ryzen 8 core CPU and RX Vega 56 GPU (supposed to be like a 1660ti) , that is at $1299 on Amazon amzn.to/2HzTKvC
@@OWNORDISOWN Thanks for answering! Yes i considered it but i thought that the 500 with the gtx 1070 was a bit better because it is more expensive. Isn't it?
And the Ryzen version doesn't have a thunderbolt 3 (to eventually add a EGPU). I also thought about the Lenovo y740 i7-9750H, gtx 1660 ti 6gb since it also has a thunderbolt 3 and a i7-9750h instead of the Helios 500's i7-8750H.. Or maybe the y740 i7-9750H, RTX 2060 if adding 150$ worth it.
Not sure about all that. All i want is to be able to play next gen games as good as the next gen consoles. I really need some advices..
@@ether287 I think the Y740 is a very good option. I like it alot. Keyboard is shifted a bit to the righ, but once you are used to then all is good. I think that may be your best option.
@@OWNORDISOWN Finally i'll wait for the official nex gen consoles' specs and i'll see then. Still, thank you for your help!
I'm considering getting this laptop for gaming as well as photo and video editing, do you think this is a good fit for that?
Definitely Greg, it's a very good laptop. I've basically done my testing and it works really well. I am sure you will like it. My review will be up soon
Dave's review shows very different thermals. Were you still running Aida64 while doing the gaming tests? If you two were off by 10C, I could accept your unit being poorly manufactured or him using shady methodology, but at triple that, there's something wrong here.
No, this review has the correct information and told the true story. You can ask if anyone even trust Dave's review on reddit. He is famous for stating false thermal facts. Also, this mag 15 shares identical internal componets with NEO 15 aka TongFang Mech. www.notebookcheck.net/Schenker-XMG-Neo-15-i7-8750H-RTX-2070-Max-Q-Tongfang-GK5CQ7Z-Laptop-Review.415117.0.html You can do your own DD for a comparison.
Believe me, my testing is 100% accurate. Physics is physics, play a game long enough in such a small chassis with the wattage pulled there is going to be heat. I'm not saying this is a bad laptop at all, its very nice and I would own one in a heart beat but to say that it magically cools like Dave said is, well, embellishing at best.
The moment you take off the bottom panel before you even remove the plastic peel from the feet :P
I filmed that first because I wanted to know what I was dealing with before I started talking :)
Did you happen to test electroboost on the 2070 Max q? Did the performance improve by any margin?