a big issue i have with this film is how it's filmed. Rather than being filmed on 35mm film like the previous movies, it's done digitally so it looks too clean and it doesn't have that gritty grungy look
It always gave me the vibe of “We’re better than the original franchise” - I remember someone saying that Jigsaw and Spiral felt like it was coming from a place of embarrassment from the original franchise, whereas Saw X feels like it’s embracing the franchise and it’s why it works
Let me say this comment was harrowing as a new viewer of the series. Now having seen the Chris rock saw, it feels like I had an encounter with an ancient haruspex telling me of Pompeii and my brain denying it for its own sanity only to be faced with the foreshadowed cataclysm the following week. Truly bizarre. You genuinely made me question if I knew a DIFFERENT Chris Rock 💯.
Jigsaw is by no means my favorite Saw film and is definitely VERY flawed, but I still feel it’s a bit underrated. The concept of Jigsaw’s philosophies and methods living on through the Jigsaw Rules website provides a good way for the series to continue once Tobin Bell is no longer with us, and while most of the traps aren’t spectacular, I love the Shotgun Keys trap, with which a little editing I think could’ve been a spectacular Saw short film all on its own. It’s also one of the best-looking Saw films cinematography-wise, and I liked the gradual shift of the audience’s sympathies from Anna to Ryan as it’s revealed what a monster she truly is.
y'know i'd probably agree, though i wish it had some sort of character to it to make it stand out. it all feels very washed out and bland. even spiral had some moments of lovely color palettes. the ideas and intent were there, but it just comes up short execution wise for me
I get that. I definitely had much the same problem with this film that I did with Saw 3D in that they had a lot of good ideas without the best execution. It’s still enjoyable enough for me that it falls more towards the middle of any ranking of the films for me.
@@SamuelMcAlpin-ft3uu ok I finished it. I really loved Anna’s character and was sad how they portrayed her. So a few things. I think they were going for PPD and shaken baby syndrome but just didn’t do a fabulous job at portraying how this type of abuse happens 😓. Unfortunately after the delivery of a child PPD can happen and it can not only cause the detachment of the person from the partner but to the child and of course it’s very stigmatized because ‘good mommies loves their baby 🥰’ and obviously experiencing the chemical imbalance makes that difficult. It also makes child rearing tasks more challenging 😥 and can lead to a higher instance of shaken baby syndrome or neglect which is why supporting those with PPD is so important. Still it’s not uncommon even those diagnosed with PPD to be unsupported through their difficulties due to the stigma and just generally because being a new parent is often not supported with paternal leave or other support systems. Basically unless you’re rich, have healthcare and good support systems in place already you’re already at risk before you have PPD, add it to the mix you are more at risk. If you have a history of being abused, neglected as a child, or domestic violence it also becomes more of a risk. When it happens to people like this they are not mildly annoyed yelling like I used to in an apartment complex at my neighbor screaming at 3 am, it’s a full on meltdown usually. Whenever an infant cries it’s not just activating an annoying response it’s activating essentially a fight or flight response…constantly. I haven’t done it but I can understand why it happens for sure 😅 after several months of crying for hours and hours with no sleep and no help. I personally laid my baby cousin who was screaming still in the crib because I was afraid I was gonna lose it and literally walked outside for so long until I walked into a river like a few mile away it got you doing weird shit dude. So when she screams at the baby to just shut up and then? Smothers it? It seems weird. Most the time people drug them, give them whiskey, shake them, abuse them etc to make them quiet down when they get to that point. I guess it doesn’t seem like she’s that distressed, tired or detached. Idk people in that space are FREAKING THE FUCK OUT. I mean makes sense to be able to hurt your own child. Also when she blames it on the husband I mean maybe it different elsewhere but in my family I’ve unfortunately had an infant die in that exact way where they were smothered to death in bed and uh the police didn’t arrest anyone 😥. It was an accident. I still think the husband could have hung him self in the same way either way in fact I think blaming it on him would have been more dubious in that way because it would have been necessary as she could have claimed to rolled over onto the child instead since there would be no legal ramifications only moral ones. Now if she is indeed supposed to be a woman with PPD and while it usually resolved months after birth depending on support and treatment of course if untreated it can last years when it would resolve she would feel that attachment return. The attachment to her now dead partner and her dead infant would be back and then she would be slammed with immense guilt, loss, shame and unimaginable pain. I imagine she would likely have to either dissociate or repress the events as a response. That would make her confession the most heart wrenching as through the games she would continue being the one with the most agency and compassion shown to the others while genuinely being unable to confess until she knew her own sins. It would also fit the spirit of the game well too (and jigsaws sort of black and white mentality as he disregards mental health concerns) as when John jogs her memory she would finally be able to confess her sins in a more explosive catharsis which if you have ever had repressed memories return it’s quite an intense experience, it can cause panic attacks, flashbacks and generally unpleasant feelings that would truly be a stark contrast to Ryan’s rather dull denial to the end (tbh idk how he is even guilty aside from generally being a weenie 🤷♂️). I think portraying a PPD character whose life falls to pieces in an actually sympathetic light would be cool. Instead they did what most people stigmatize ppd and shaken baby parents to be. Evil sons of bitches who literally get fed up like 3 times and decided alright enough is enough I need my beauty sleep 🙄 rip u baby 💀 alright let’s get rid of hubby too 😏 and the minute they had a gun they’ll shoot you dead 😅. I will say as it stands I actually really liked it. I liked the ones where Hoffman takes over too though 😅 idk 🤷♂️ if that helps others sort accordingly. I mean finally weaponizing that over burnt coffee? ☕️ fuck yeah dude 👌
Honestly Jigsaw feels pointless. Like the only real thing it really did in the series was to introduce a new jigsaw apprentice and then just never use him again.
Ya gotta admit, Logan has probably the BEST line of this movie. "You have a choice: Scream. Or don't." The way he delivers it while sounding sooo ice cold and terrifying, it just makes it soooo cool. Also, am I the only one who wonders where John Kramer's body actually DID end up? Since his grave was empty and replaced with Edgar, where did Logan put John's body? Also also, how the hell did he dig up the casket and switch the bodies without leaving a trace on the ground? Like if you dig up a grave, or any patch of ground, it's gonna show that something disturbed it. Unless Logan called in a favor from David Copperfield or Penn & Teller, I can't think of any way to pull that trick off.
The only way I could think off is to dig at it from the side from somewhere else? But I highly doubt they thought anyone would noticed the obvious undug gravesite and just didn't think of it
@@ripdalt Okay, but that still doesn't really hold up... because then he'd have to make the tunnel big enough to get to the casket, make enough space to OPEN the casket, take John out, put Edgar in, and then get back through the tunnel all without causing a cave-in or suffocating... You're basically asking him to dig a cartoon style prisom escape tunnel in the span of maybe a day or two. And not be noticed. El Chapo had his men dig him tunnel from his prison cell to the outside and even with proper tools and gear, it took them MONTHS to do that.
Im glad that Dalt (as usual) has the objectively correct opinion. I wish we got another Eleanor appearance. Perhaps as a foil to Logan, I think they could have a really interesting dynamic the way that Strahm and Hoffman had if you put them against one-another
@@ripdalt I heard that if Saw XI does good enough we might have a sequel set at least after 3D which could mean after jigsaw and could mean the return of Logan and Eleanor
@@p-ruthless9005 do we know when Saw XI is going to take place in the timeline? I'm guessing it's going to be earlier, so they can get another Tobin Bell appearance, but I haven't seen anything specific
@@ianbyrne465 I think it’s gonna be right after saw X and I think the Cecelia storylines gonna continue one more movie, XI got delayed to 2025 but it’s to make it more perfect
your saw series has become my new comfort watch/background noise series, these videos are so well done and i like your voice, it's nice to listen to :]
I think you missed the part where Logan completely bastardized John's message. Well, John did too, to a point. Meanwhile, Lawrence is the true heir to Jigsaw, taking the core message and importance of rebirth and only ever providing aid to games that had the chance to save someone. Lawrence understood John's message the best.
i think logan does a _fine enough_ job of carrying on john's legacy, but i feel like i compare him too heavily to amanda and hoffman, to his own benefit. hoffman absolutely disregarded john's teachings, and amanda went scorched earth before her end, so in comparison, logan's looking pretty good lmao
@@ripdalt I feel that's fair, they were the apprentices with the most focus, but even when looked at through that lens, Logan is just as bad as Hoffman, maybe worse. He recreated a game and threw "similar enough people" into it to exact revenge, and if we're to believe things went the same way, may have rigged them like Amanda. He's both of their worst qualities, and all of John's failures, combined. Interesting character, hard ass final line, should not be seen in the same light as Lawrence.
Anna's backstory shocked me at first when I first see it, but the Saw series is also not afraid of when it comes to it twists, like the series giving us the bird and said, "Nope" Either we like the twist or not in any of the saw movies, I like it, but maybe make some mistakes
@ripdalt right!?, Anna is one of the character, who knew what is going on, and the movie went complete 180 to change her at the end of why she is being tested and I'm also not sure why John didn't stop it, sense he is living next to Anna and her husband, and I feel like he should have knock on the door and asked them what's wrong
I've discovered your channel a few days ago and I am so here for these Saw analysis videos! Love your deep dives, and I'm already looking forward to the next!
jigsaw is such a weird entry in the franchise, and even though i miss the grimey style of the earlier movies i appreciate it staying true to the weird timeline and twists of past movies. though my issue with this movie will always be the characters. none of them even come close to ones like hoffman or amanda, or even the minor ones like adam or xavier who only show up in one movie. still, it is a fun movie to watch and more saw is always good :) (rlly excited for the saw x video cause its one of the best imo)
I dont think it was mentioned here, but the person who picked up Eleanore was originally written to be Dr Gordon, which is why it looks like she recognizes the person in the car. It was gonna elaborate on that in the Jigsaw 2 that never was.
i hope you know im rewatching this nearly every other day anticipating the next video, keep up the amazing work, your videos as always blow me away with your analysis and takes on the series, not only how they work narratively but also how they tie into real world times they were made in
(7 hours late nooo) Hot Take: Jigsaw is actually kinda okay. Logan and Eleanor are likable, the plot twist is alright (they did it better in Saw 2), I thought it was interesting how the “main girl” was actually a horrible person. It’s not good for a Saw movie, but it’s alright when you don’t compare it to the other Saw movies. (Not including Spiral, Spiral is the bane of my existence)
Jigsaw sits just above 4 and 7 for me. I am currently doing a big rewatch because I had watched Jigsaw on a whim on eday and wanted to look back. It's not great, I don't remember a single character's name, I already knew the 'twist' (what there was of it) and the traps were mostly... fine I guess. But even with all that going against it, just watching flash backs while secrets are revealed and Hello Zepp is playing in the last scene of the movie still puts me back in the mid 2000's going to the theater to see the new saw and being mind blown. I honestly wonder if the franchise would have 10 installments if they didn't have Hello Zepp as a theme song. Great video so far like usual (Commenting early, but I have confidence in you), looking forward to the rest of the franchise!
Making the 8th film in a franchise is tricky when the main character died in the 3rd. We all love Tobin Bell but at a certain point the series needs to figure out a way to work without him if its gonna keep going (ive not seen Spiral)
the fleeting glimpses of john were enough to get through the last bit of the original run, but even with an extended scene of screen time in this, it just feels completely off
Bro I was so slipped up on robutissin watching this shit my husband told me every time I saw the trap plot return I kept singing ‘what the HELLLLL 🎶 jigsaw you WILIN FOR THIS ONE DOG…. 🎶 OHH MY GAAAAAHHHWWDDD’ 😂
for me, the most unpredictable moment of this whole movie was finding out that chick killing their baby and setting up her husband to take the fall 😶 she's for the needle pit
i saw right through her immediately, she was NOT convincing me at all. but yeah she absolutely deserves the needle pit. maybe william's needle trap from 6
I thought maybe she saw her husband roll over their baby and she just let him knowing the baby will get smothered which makes her more responsible than the hubby who was asleep but it was way worse and 110% on her.
Storytime: I did watch this movie with my family when I went on my July 4th vacation at a hotel and when everyone is getting ready for bed, my sister- in- law put this movie on and where my dad and I are horror movie fans, and when it comes to either Mitch's Death or Eleanor's Jumpscare at Logan's house, my grandmother said, "That's not scary.", I can't help but laugh a bit, where most of my family hate scary movies.
you actually did it. you convinced me to give jigsaw another shot. I hated this movie when i first saw it (ha) because of the lack of continuity with the other films - for a franchise that often feels like a jenga tower of sorts, with different pieces resting, rickety, on each other, i felt like this new, shiny version that knocked it all down and rebuilt a lesser version with whatever ideas and characters it thought were valuable enough to keep was too frustrating to revisit. The whole initial experience felt like a letdown when I kept expected legacy characters to show up via flashbacks & the big twist honestly just frustrated me. Thanks for the insights & praise you gave this movie, I want to watch it with new eyes and try to meet it where it's at! Great work as always!
that's what it's all about! i'm glad you've decided to give it a second chance, and even if it's still not for you, at least you can see it in a different light :)
The fifth, along with the first, is my favourite. I love thriller more than gore and I enjoyed the dynamic between Strahm and Hoffman so much. I really, really wish they hadn’t killed off Strahm 😭 Imagine Strahm and Hoffman teaming up against Gordon *before* a final showdown between the two, that would have been so epic
i agree, but i think the only way i can justify it is everything we see is logan's doing, and he has some more resources at hand, mostly police databases. but it's so improbable that he would've been able to solve these unsolved cases, catch the perps, and set up these grand games
I watch this movie, I have mixed feeling at first, and I gonna say, despite that its not great, its at least a bit better than Saw 3D of when it comes to the new update to it and trying to make something "new" Despite that I like Matt Passmore, I feel like he is kinda out of Character at the last act of the movie, but I feel like that imagine that Logan works as one of the detective after working with Jigsaw either didn't work out or he just peace out and finish his revenge
Yes, YESSSSSS, I love your videos for saw... I watched the first few and then went to your channel to see you had only done up to i think three movies. So happy to see this on ky feed 😭 🙏🏻
The most interested I felt during this movie was when Mitch’s death reminded me of how Mondo died in the first Danganronpa game. They’re so bizarrely similar that it triggered a reaction other than ennui. I mentioned in the Saw: 3D video that I do wonder if this movie might have landed a little better if it were the 7th movie instead (and happened much earlier than 2017). Having a survivor of a previous trap succeeding where others failed because they were too caught up in their personal motivations rather than the goals Jigsaw had in mind be the reveal at the end. I don’t think it would fix the other problems-unlikeable characters, mid traps-but maybe the ending wouldn’t have felt as derivative and thus underwhelming. It being a comeback movie meant they needed to go bigger / be more creative or different, but it’s just more of the same.
danganronpa mentioned!!!! but i do agree, especially so if this came out before 2017, maybe like 2013 or 14, it would've hit a lot harder and maybe kept the franchise going with more steam
There was some potential just kinda left on the floor here. I think instead of the retcon of Logan being there the whole time, him and Eleanor were super fans that feel the need to continue his work.
see, that would've been so much better in my opinion! and something i can definitely see, people have weird connections to serial killers all the time, and john is so charismatic that his "method" would 100% work to convince people
Saw 3D should have just focused on Jill and Hoffman and gave us flashbacks piecing where it all began to where it ended, Bobby’s story should have been the plot of this movie and it should have taken place in between Saw 2 and 3. The perfect comeback for Saw
You’re so right about Jigsaw being a boring ass movie. It’s boring on all levels: aesthetically too sterile, cinematography, editing, traps, characters, plot, everything. I checked how long there was left twice in this 90min film. I’d rewatch Saw 3D in its “so bad it’s good” insanity a hundred times over Jigsaw.
@@ripdalt Saw 7 is extremely flawed (and lowkey sexist) but man, the traps go SO HARD, and it’s fucking hilarious and campy fun. Hoffminator going all Hitman was ridiculous but his murder spree is sexy ok? Spiral, as much as I really dislike Chris Rock and the execution of it, at least has a gritty aesthetic and some gruesome traps. got to give it credit it for trying something different, even if it fails. For me, Jigsaw is a 3/10 and Spiral is a 4/10. Saw 1 and 6 are 9/10s and all the others are 7/10 (yes, even Saw 3D). I have a ranking based on personal enjoyment but the Saw films in the middle are all pretty close in terms of quality to me with their own strengths and weaknesses.
I rank this one 9th out of the 10, but despite that low rank I will say I find this an enjoyable Saw entry. There’s nothing particularly wrong with it, but nothing really noteworthy about it either, lol. The twists are fun even if it’s walking on familiar territory. After 7 years it was…I’ll say “nifty”, to have a new Saw movie. I didn’t have any expectations good or bad. Logan being YET ANOTHER conspirator was kind of head scratching at first, but I’ve come to think of his involvement with John Kramer, as well as Dr. Gordon’s, as more an occasional collaborator than full-on apprentice like Amanda or Hoffman. At least that’s how I choose to look at it in my own head-cannon.
This was my introduction into saw so it has a special place in my heart and I really enjoy this film and Logan Nelson is actually my favorite jigsaw killer
(Edit:) Decided to redo my comment because I think I literally just wrote the exact same one from the Saw V vid lmao, imo Jigsaw was only good for 2 things, bringing a new wave of Saw fans in, and the "This is your key to freedom" moment, besides that this movie is awful lol, 18 glowing Billy eyes out of 7.3, great video as always :) Also!!! just watched Kinds of Kindness yesterday and f*cking LOVED it, highly recommend if you like weird dark sh*t, very different from Poor Things though, not a feel good movie like that one
i haven't seen this movie, but i did have a nightmare that jigsaw 2017 was about john kramer releasing pterodactyls on an entire town a la the birds 1963 which honestly sounds far more interesting than this movie
honestly a saw movie (or tv show? It'd better be good) with the remain accomplices. Where it could also possibly explain why Logan was never brought up, or what the last are even doing. Like what's Gordon up to? I also like to believe that Logan wanted one last round of Jigsawing, and decided to also take out someone he wants gone. So maybe Gordon confronts Logan after all this time about bringing him back. Something like that might be cool to see idk. It's been a while since seeing Saw movies.
i do think a saw series could work really well, i'm pretty sure jason voorhees is getting one, so why not the saw universe? whether it would be a prequel or a new story entirely, i'd still watch it
In my opinion, this is easily the worst entry in the series. Spiral is also awful, but at least it has Chris Rock 😂 Another great episode in this retrospective. Thank you dalt.!
I know people give Spiral a lot of crap but if you ask me, Jigsaw absolutely is the worst of the franchise Thats just me at least. Hell, logan coulda made that last line so much cooler "I speak for the dead. And the dead... says Game Over." **slams door**
@@ripdalt I think the leg slices that look like sushi rolls and bounce like low effort weightless animation is the worst, but yeah the motorcycle one too
Hey, thanks again for your videos ! You should maybe invest in a good mic for your vids, your voice soudns a bit crunchy and whenever you go into the highs or low we hear it saturate (it doesn't rui nthe video or anything ,but since you're gtting pretty popular it might be nice to ugrade your gear :D). Personally bought a Rode NT1-A 2 years ago and it's awesome, nowadays it's pretty cheap and has a basically perfect audio quality, i can only recommend it if you're on a budget it's very nice ^-^
i have been waiting for your video on this because i love the saw franchise so much but hated jigsaw. even when i saw it in theatres i was so disappointed. saw x is what i thought jigsaw was going to be
I love these videos and im excited for the next ones. I think Spiral is the one nobody asked for, and i think after Jigsaw fans were okay to let the franchise rest, but wouldn't be opposed to more movies. Are there other horror franchises you wanna dig into after Saw, or any of the expanded media from the DVD extras and games?
that's fair actually, genuinely nobody could've asked for what chris rock cooked up in spiral. i think eventually i would go over the games, and as for other franchises, i'd certainly like to go into the scream franchise, and i'm 100% getting into every kid's horror gateway, scooby-doo! :)
@ripdalt Scream is so incredible, and I am very happy I picked them all up last Halloween. I have seen two movies of the now 6 and they're pretty good at being contained but also calling back to earlier entries. I hope you'll have fun with the Saw games, and Scooby-Doo too!
WOO the movie ive been waiting for!! im so glad to see you enjoy this movies rifle trap- it was the one good thing to really come out of this movie. although im ngl i do enjoy ryan a lot. he deserved better 💔
I Really Wanted To Like This Movie, I Was Hoping Jigsaw Would Bring Saw Back But It Felt Like A Slog To Get Through Even At The Theater. But I Think The Next Saw X Really Hit The Nail On The Head And Its Probably My New Favorite In The Series. I Hope You Plan On Making A Saw X Video Next, I Love How You Articulate These Videos And Would Love To See Your Opinion On The Film
Jigsaw is not my favorite Saw film and therefore I am not the ugliest dalt. viewer. But it is probably my fourth favorite Saw film (behind 1, 6, and 10). It has plot holes, but like, yeah, of course it does, it's Saw. It has acting problems, but like, yeah, of course it does, it's Saw. It's a fun, fast watch and I think Logan is a great character and (I disagree with dalt. here) I am never bored by it because none of the plots feel extraneous (unlike 3D or 4). I don't think about it when I think about the series, but I enjoy it on a rewatch after the quagmire that is 3D, and that alone is worth something.
that's basically how i view it (and most of the series) as well, sure it's not _the best thing_ you've ever seen, but it's still a saw movie. this one just doesn't quite grab my attention like some of the others unfortunately, but at least it's not my least favorite :)
It honestly feels like every film after Saw 6 is so awful. Saw X is great, but Saw 7-9 can disappear into the archive. The only good scene in this entire movie is the shot gun key to freedom scene. That's it.
the heights of 6 trumps nearly everything else that comes after, only a few moments from each movie afterwards come close to giving me that same feeling
So glad i was recommended your videos today! Have binge watched all of them and now am inspired to make my own content based on this. Will it be a blogpost or a video? Who knows. But something you said in your video on Saw VI inspired me to be able to communicate the exceptional nihilist and post-leftist themes in Saw. Anyways, thank you for your incredible videos!
I hate jigsaw twist ending because it doesn't make sense. I mean there is no way that this is from 2004 other than that compare the jigsaw game with saw 1 games. It's not even close. Other than that to win the jigsaw game you need to follow the rules but in the final game jigsaw use the playing on words and he didn't do that in any other game. and also why did jigsaw bring ryan to the game for thing he do in his childhood by accident
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What makes me laugh is how confident the studio were that a movie with Chris rock and Sam L Jackson would just be a success no questions asked, then it flops 😂
Jigsaw is literally just a Quel. Not a sequel, not a prequel. They made a Quel
y'know that works because quel in french is 'what', and that's my exact reaction to this movie :)
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@@bwax3135 underrated burn
It's clearly a sequel/prequel.
who up jiggin they saw rn
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She jig on my saw until I (2017)
@@0uttaS1TE until i spiral (2021)
as the “wait they look familiar” person everytime i watch a movie, i greatly appreciate you showing what else the actors are known for :)
omg same, i'm always like "what have i seen them in?"
I’m disappointed halloran didn’t get a bsg shout out
Someone once said that Jigsaw feels like a Netflix Original SAW film. I couldn't agree more.
absolutely, it lost it's soul somewhere along the way, and the glossy, sterile look don't help find it
The fact that it's on netflix too
Feels like somewhere far along the road this movie lost it's soul to producers so heartless
a big issue i have with this film is how it's filmed. Rather than being filmed on 35mm film like the previous movies, it's done digitally so it looks too clean and it doesn't have that gritty grungy look
exactly, it's far too clean looking for my liking
Yeah, it is a bit disconcerting when you remember this is supposed to play into the Saw series, that it looks this clean is just a tad weird.
It always gave me the vibe of “We’re better than the original franchise” - I remember someone saying that Jigsaw and Spiral felt like it was coming from a place of embarrassment from the original franchise, whereas Saw X feels like it’s embracing the franchise and it’s why it works
I can’t wait to see him break down every single terribly written Chris rock joke in spiral
listening to each chris rock joke in spiral on repeat has been *BANNED* by the geneva convention
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Let me say this comment was harrowing as a new viewer of the series.
Now having seen the Chris rock saw, it feels like I had an encounter with an ancient haruspex telling me of Pompeii and my brain denying it for its own sanity only to be faced with the foreshadowed cataclysm the following week.
Truly bizarre. You genuinely made me question if I knew a DIFFERENT Chris Rock 💯.
I love it when TH-cam recommends me a random small channel. Great video!
i'm glad it happened to be mine this time! welcome, and thank you for watching :)
Jigsaw is by no means my favorite Saw film and is definitely VERY flawed, but I still feel it’s a bit underrated. The concept of Jigsaw’s philosophies and methods living on through the Jigsaw Rules website provides a good way for the series to continue once Tobin Bell is no longer with us, and while most of the traps aren’t spectacular, I love the Shotgun Keys trap, with which a little editing I think could’ve been a spectacular Saw short film all on its own. It’s also one of the best-looking Saw films cinematography-wise, and I liked the gradual shift of the audience’s sympathies from Anna to Ryan as it’s revealed what a monster she truly is.
y'know i'd probably agree, though i wish it had some sort of character to it to make it stand out. it all feels very washed out and bland. even spiral had some moments of lovely color palettes. the ideas and intent were there, but it just comes up short execution wise for me
I get that. I definitely had much the same problem with this film that I did with Saw 3D in that they had a lot of good ideas without the best execution. It’s still enjoyable enough for me that it falls more towards the middle of any ranking of the films for me.
I’m interested to watch this film for the first time with both these perspectives 😊
you make a good point about anna being a monster. it's rare in media for a woman to be an unabashedly horrible person
@@SamuelMcAlpin-ft3uu ok I finished it. I really loved Anna’s character and was sad how they portrayed her. So a few things. I think they were going for PPD and shaken baby syndrome but just didn’t do a fabulous job at portraying how this type of abuse happens 😓.
Unfortunately after the delivery of a child PPD can happen and it can not only cause the detachment of the person from the partner but to the child and of course it’s very stigmatized because ‘good mommies loves their baby 🥰’ and obviously experiencing the chemical imbalance makes that difficult. It also makes child rearing tasks more challenging 😥 and can lead to a higher instance of shaken baby syndrome or neglect which is why supporting those with PPD is so important. Still it’s not uncommon even those diagnosed with PPD to be unsupported through their difficulties due to the stigma and just generally because being a new parent is often not supported with paternal leave or other support systems. Basically unless you’re rich, have healthcare and good support systems in place already you’re already at risk before you have PPD, add it to the mix you are more at risk. If you have a history of being abused, neglected as a child, or domestic violence it also becomes more of a risk. When it happens to people like this they are not mildly annoyed yelling like I used to in an apartment complex at my neighbor screaming at 3 am, it’s a full on meltdown usually. Whenever an infant cries it’s not just activating an annoying response it’s activating essentially a fight or flight response…constantly. I haven’t done it but I can understand why it happens for sure 😅 after several months of crying for hours and hours with no sleep and no help. I personally laid my baby cousin who was screaming still in the crib because I was afraid I was gonna lose it and literally walked outside for so long until I walked into a river like a few mile away it got you doing weird shit dude. So when she screams at the baby to just shut up and then? Smothers it? It seems weird. Most the time people drug them, give them whiskey, shake them, abuse them etc to make them quiet down when they get to that point. I guess it doesn’t seem like she’s that distressed, tired or detached. Idk people in that space are FREAKING THE FUCK OUT. I mean makes sense to be able to hurt your own child. Also when she blames it on the husband I mean maybe it different elsewhere but in my family I’ve unfortunately had an infant die in that exact way where they were smothered to death in bed and uh the police didn’t arrest anyone 😥. It was an accident. I still think the husband could have hung him self in the same way either way in fact I think blaming it on him would have been more dubious in that way because it would have been necessary as she could have claimed to rolled over onto the child instead since there would be no legal ramifications only moral ones. Now if she is indeed supposed to be a woman with PPD and while it usually resolved months after birth depending on support and treatment of course if untreated it can last years when it would resolve she would feel that attachment return.
The attachment to her now dead partner and her dead infant would be back and then she would be slammed with immense guilt, loss, shame and unimaginable pain. I imagine she would likely have to either dissociate or repress the events as a response.
That would make her confession the most heart wrenching as through the games she would continue being the one with the most agency and compassion shown to the others while genuinely being unable to confess until she knew her own sins. It would also fit the spirit of the game well too (and jigsaws sort of black and white mentality as he disregards mental health concerns) as when John jogs her memory she would finally be able to confess her sins in a more explosive catharsis which if you have ever had repressed memories return it’s quite an intense experience, it can cause panic attacks, flashbacks and generally unpleasant feelings that would truly be a stark contrast to Ryan’s rather dull denial to the end (tbh idk how he is even guilty aside from generally being a weenie 🤷♂️).
I think portraying a PPD character whose life falls to pieces in an actually sympathetic light would be cool. Instead they did what most people stigmatize ppd and shaken baby parents to be. Evil sons of bitches who literally get fed up like 3 times and decided alright enough is enough I need my beauty sleep 🙄 rip u baby 💀 alright let’s get rid of hubby too 😏 and the minute they had a gun they’ll shoot you dead 😅.
I will say as it stands I actually really liked it. I liked the ones where Hoffman takes over too though 😅 idk 🤷♂️ if that helps others sort accordingly. I mean finally weaponizing that over burnt coffee? ☕️ fuck yeah dude 👌
Honestly Jigsaw feels pointless. Like the only real thing it really did in the series was to introduce a new jigsaw apprentice and then just never use him again.
exactlyyyy, unless he and eleanor come back :o but eleanor has to come, they're a package deal
I know what kinda film jigsaw is, a preseqoot
i *will* be using this in scrabble now
Presquoot.
😂 that’s an adorable word I request the industry adopt officially and put into marketing.
Quarterquel
Ya gotta admit, Logan has probably the BEST line of this movie. "You have a choice: Scream. Or don't." The way he delivers it while sounding sooo ice cold and terrifying, it just makes it soooo cool.
Also, am I the only one who wonders where John Kramer's body actually DID end up? Since his grave was empty and replaced with Edgar, where did Logan put John's body?
Also also, how the hell did he dig up the casket and switch the bodies without leaving a trace on the ground? Like if you dig up a grave, or any patch of ground, it's gonna show that something disturbed it. Unless Logan called in a favor from David Copperfield or Penn & Teller, I can't think of any way to pull that trick off.
The only way I could think off is to dig at it from the side from somewhere else? But I highly doubt they thought anyone would noticed the obvious undug gravesite and just didn't think of it
enter through the adjacent mausoleum (not on screen, but trust me, it's there) and dig a tunnel underneath straight to the casket
@@ripdalt Okay, but that still doesn't really hold up... because then he'd have to make the tunnel big enough to get to the casket, make enough space to OPEN the casket, take John out, put Edgar in, and then get back through the tunnel all without causing a cave-in or suffocating...
You're basically asking him to dig a cartoon style prisom escape tunnel in the span of maybe a day or two. And not be noticed.
El Chapo had his men dig him tunnel from his prison cell to the outside and even with proper tools and gear, it took them MONTHS to do that.
@@wayneigoe6722 I mean it's a Saw film, the more you think about it, the less sense it will make
@@TakeYourChallenge I know. But its the priciple of it, ya know?
Im glad that Dalt (as usual) has the objectively correct opinion.
I wish we got another Eleanor appearance. Perhaps as a foil to Logan, I think they could have a really interesting dynamic the way that Strahm and Hoffman had if you put them against one-another
i'm holding out hope that maybe we see eleanor in saw 11, the people deserve it! :)
@@ripdalt I heard that if Saw XI does good enough we might have a sequel set at least after 3D which could mean after jigsaw and could mean the return of Logan and Eleanor
@@p-ruthless9005 do we know when Saw XI is going to take place in the timeline?
I'm guessing it's going to be earlier, so they can get another Tobin Bell appearance, but I haven't seen anything specific
@@ianbyrne465 I think it’s gonna be right after saw X and I think the Cecelia storylines gonna continue one more movie, XI got delayed to 2025 but it’s to make it more perfect
your saw series has become my new comfort watch/background noise series, these videos are so well done and i like your voice, it's nice to listen to :]
that's so nice of you to say, thank you :)
I think you missed the part where Logan completely bastardized John's message. Well, John did too, to a point. Meanwhile, Lawrence is the true heir to Jigsaw, taking the core message and importance of rebirth and only ever providing aid to games that had the chance to save someone.
Lawrence understood John's message the best.
i think logan does a _fine enough_ job of carrying on john's legacy, but i feel like i compare him too heavily to amanda and hoffman, to his own benefit. hoffman absolutely disregarded john's teachings, and amanda went scorched earth before her end, so in comparison, logan's looking pretty good lmao
@@ripdalt I feel that's fair, they were the apprentices with the most focus, but even when looked at through that lens, Logan is just as bad as Hoffman, maybe worse. He recreated a game and threw "similar enough people" into it to exact revenge, and if we're to believe things went the same way, may have rigged them like Amanda. He's both of their worst qualities, and all of John's failures, combined. Interesting character, hard ass final line, should not be seen in the same light as Lawrence.
you can say whatever about saw movies, but the posters are always amazing
this one specifically goes stupid hard
Anna's backstory shocked me at first when I first see it, but the Saw series is also not afraid of when it comes to it twists, like the series giving us the bird and said, "Nope"
Either we like the twist or not in any of the saw movies, I like it, but maybe make some mistakes
that moment came so out of nowhere, it was so shocking. like obviously i didn't believe it was her husbands fault, but to SHOW IT?
@ripdalt right!?, Anna is one of the character, who knew what is going on, and the movie went complete 180 to change her at the end of why she is being tested and I'm also not sure why John didn't stop it, sense he is living next to Anna and her husband, and I feel like he should have knock on the door and asked them what's wrong
I've discovered your channel a few days ago and I am so here for these Saw analysis videos! Love your deep dives, and I'm already looking forward to the next!
thank you so much! i'm glad you enjoy them :)
jigsaw is such a weird entry in the franchise, and even though i miss the grimey style of the earlier movies i appreciate it staying true to the weird timeline and twists of past movies.
though my issue with this movie will always be the characters. none of them even come close to ones like hoffman or amanda, or even the minor ones like adam or xavier who only show up in one movie.
still, it is a fun movie to watch and more saw is always good :)
(rlly excited for the saw x video cause its one of the best imo)
exactly, the character writing in this one is such a let down. even for logan, i just straight up don't care. his involvement means nothing to me
I dont think it was mentioned here, but the person who picked up Eleanore was originally written to be Dr Gordon, which is why it looks like she recognizes the person in the car. It was gonna elaborate on that in the Jigsaw 2 that never was.
oooh i didn't know that! thank you!
Do you have proof of this claim?
i hope you know im rewatching this nearly every other day anticipating the next video, keep up the amazing work, your videos as always blow me away with your analysis and takes on the series, not only how they work narratively but also how they tie into real world times they were made in
the wait is almost over! spiral coming on friday :) i'm glad you enjoy them so much too!
i’ve been watching every Saw video you made so i didn’t even realize how early i was to this one!
hiiiiii :) thank you for always listening to me yap about this franchise
Me too! Is it your first time watching or your return? It’s my first time seeing them because I was too chicken 😂
(7 hours late nooo) Hot Take: Jigsaw is actually kinda okay. Logan and Eleanor are likable, the plot twist is alright (they did it better in Saw 2), I thought it was interesting how the “main girl” was actually a horrible person. It’s not good for a Saw movie, but it’s alright when you don’t compare it to the other Saw movies. (Not including Spiral, Spiral is the bane of my existence)
never too late to catch some saw content :) definitely when compared to spiral this is actually pretty good, but doesn't scream "saw" movie to me
I will always love the saw movies. The first 4 Movies are the best imo, especially the first 2
Jigsaw sits just above 4 and 7 for me. I am currently doing a big rewatch because I had watched Jigsaw on a whim on eday and wanted to look back. It's not great, I don't remember a single character's name, I already knew the 'twist' (what there was of it) and the traps were mostly... fine I guess. But even with all that going against it, just watching flash backs while secrets are revealed and Hello Zepp is playing in the last scene of the movie still puts me back in the mid 2000's going to the theater to see the new saw and being mind blown. I honestly wonder if the franchise would have 10 installments if they didn't have Hello Zepp as a theme song.
Great video so far like usual (Commenting early, but I have confidence in you), looking forward to the rest of the franchise!
the ending of this one hits almost as hard as the original's ending, it came outta nowhere in the best possible way. also, thank you for watching :)
Making the 8th film in a franchise is tricky when the main character died in the 3rd.
We all love Tobin Bell but at a certain point the series needs to figure out a way to work without him if its gonna keep going (ive not seen Spiral)
the fleeting glimpses of john were enough to get through the last bit of the original run, but even with an extended scene of screen time in this, it just feels completely off
This one is absolutely fresh, just in time for my warehouse organization
perfect timing! now _get to work_ hehehe
Bro I was so slipped up on robutissin watching this shit my husband told me every time I saw the trap plot return I kept singing ‘what the HELLLLL 🎶 jigsaw you WILIN FOR THIS ONE DOG…. 🎶 OHH MY GAAAAAHHHWWDDD’ 😂
wait you might've unlocked the secret to enjoying this movie lmao
@@ripdalt go unc mode 😂
for me, the most unpredictable moment of this whole movie was finding out that chick killing their baby and setting up her husband to take the fall 😶 she's for the needle pit
i saw right through her immediately, she was NOT convincing me at all. but yeah she absolutely deserves the needle pit. maybe william's needle trap from 6
I thought maybe she saw her husband roll over their baby and she just let him knowing the baby will get smothered which makes her more responsible than the hubby who was asleep but it was way worse and 110% on her.
babe wake up dalt posted a new vid about saw
when they see it's jigsaw: wait babe wake up again it's almost over
Dalt I'm lying in bed sick here, and this video popping up has made my day so much better already ❤
aw man that sucks, hopefully you start to feel better soon! :)
23:50 *insert that clip of Michael Scott saying Boo*
everyone start throwing tomatoes!
@@ripdalt 😂😂😂
the massacre of billy and the overall cut modern look of jigsaw is actually so insanely criminal
_look how they've massacred my boy_
Storytime: I did watch this movie with my family when I went on my July 4th vacation at a hotel and when everyone is getting ready for bed, my sister- in- law put this movie on and where my dad and I are horror movie fans, and when it comes to either Mitch's Death or Eleanor's Jumpscare at Logan's house, my grandmother said, "That's not scary.", I can't help but laugh a bit, where most of my family hate scary movies.
this is a quintessential hotel movie, sometimes they just go harder cozied up in a fresh hotel bed :)
you actually did it. you convinced me to give jigsaw another shot. I hated this movie when i first saw it (ha) because of the lack of continuity with the other films - for a franchise that often feels like a jenga tower of sorts, with different pieces resting, rickety, on each other, i felt like this new, shiny version that knocked it all down and rebuilt a lesser version with whatever ideas and characters it thought were valuable enough to keep was too frustrating to revisit. The whole initial experience felt like a letdown when I kept expected legacy characters to show up via flashbacks & the big twist honestly just frustrated me. Thanks for the insights & praise you gave this movie, I want to watch it with new eyes and try to meet it where it's at! Great work as always!
that's what it's all about! i'm glad you've decided to give it a second chance, and even if it's still not for you, at least you can see it in a different light :)
4:26 Saw V is a good movie, how dare you say that
oops, i dropped my facade for a second lmao
The fifth, along with the first, is my favourite. I love thriller more than gore and I enjoyed the dynamic between Strahm and Hoffman so much. I really, really wish they hadn’t killed off Strahm 😭 Imagine Strahm and Hoffman teaming up against Gordon *before* a final showdown between the two, that would have been so epic
I actually forgot that this was a movie, I though it went straight to Spiral
if only we went from saw 3d straight to saw x...
John knowing about what everyone did makes no sense.
i agree, but i think the only way i can justify it is everything we see is logan's doing, and he has some more resources at hand, mostly police databases. but it's so improbable that he would've been able to solve these unsolved cases, catch the perps, and set up these grand games
Your videos are honestly a highlight in my life, I’m a huge saw fan and your breakdowns are always 1000000%
thank you so much, this means so much to me :)
The grain silo trap is such a specific fear of mine. I think I read about someone drowning in grain at a formative age haha
the odds of it happening are super low... but never zero :o
I watch this movie, I have mixed feeling at first, and I gonna say, despite that its not great, its at least a bit better than Saw 3D of when it comes to the new update to it and trying to make something "new"
Despite that I like Matt Passmore, I feel like he is kinda out of Character at the last act of the movie, but I feel like that imagine that Logan works as one of the detective after working with Jigsaw either didn't work out or he just peace out and finish his revenge
he reminds me a lot of michael c hall from dexter, but i can't quite place why that is. maybe face shape + being a "bad guy" disguised as a good guy
@ripdalt Same, but if they cast Michael C. Hall, it might make sense
Yes, YESSSSSS, I love your videos for saw... I watched the first few and then went to your channel to see you had only done up to i think three movies. So happy to see this on ky feed 😭 🙏🏻
now here we are at #8 :o thank you for watching them! :)
The most interested I felt during this movie was when Mitch’s death reminded me of how Mondo died in the first Danganronpa game. They’re so bizarrely similar that it triggered a reaction other than ennui.
I mentioned in the Saw: 3D video that I do wonder if this movie might have landed a little better if it were the 7th movie instead (and happened much earlier than 2017). Having a survivor of a previous trap succeeding where others failed because they were too caught up in their personal motivations rather than the goals Jigsaw had in mind be the reveal at the end. I don’t think it would fix the other problems-unlikeable characters, mid traps-but maybe the ending wouldn’t have felt as derivative and thus underwhelming. It being a comeback movie meant they needed to go bigger / be more creative or different, but it’s just more of the same.
danganronpa mentioned!!!! but i do agree, especially so if this came out before 2017, maybe like 2013 or 14, it would've hit a lot harder and maybe kept the franchise going with more steam
danganronpa mention 😳
There was some potential just kinda left on the floor here. I think instead of the retcon of Logan being there the whole time, him and Eleanor were super fans that feel the need to continue his work.
see, that would've been so much better in my opinion! and something i can definitely see, people have weird connections to serial killers all the time, and john is so charismatic that his "method" would 100% work to convince people
Saw 3D should have just focused on Jill and Hoffman and gave us flashbacks piecing where it all began to where it ended, Bobby’s story should have been the plot of this movie and it should have taken place in between Saw 2 and 3. The perfect comeback for Saw
i actually like that idea, that would've fit the timeline a lot better honestly
@ripdalt yeah, jigsaw was all the other film combined but worst in my opinion
Jigsaw and Spiral are like third party entries in beloved video game franchises. the Zelda CD-i games of horror, if you will.
motion to canonize the saw video games in place of spiral and jigsaw
@@ripdalt second
Another great saw video! I’m sad that this series is almost over
thank you very much! and me too, but there's still plenty to come :)
This movie always makes me want spiralized hotdogs 🤤
i had to look up what this was, i have genuinely never seen one of these lmao
Such a bad SAW Movie... For me this movie doesn't exist. Only Saw 1 - 7 and SAW X are real in my world.
that's the timeline i wish to be in
You’re so right about Jigsaw being a boring ass movie. It’s boring on all levels: aesthetically too sterile, cinematography, editing, traps, characters, plot, everything. I checked how long there was left twice in this 90min film.
I’d rewatch Saw 3D in its “so bad it’s good” insanity a hundred times over Jigsaw.
exactly! saw 3d flies by with the hoffmanator, whereas here both the games and police work reeeeally drag on
@@ripdalt Saw 7 is extremely flawed (and lowkey sexist) but man, the traps go SO HARD, and it’s fucking hilarious and campy fun. Hoffminator going all Hitman was ridiculous but his murder spree is sexy ok?
Spiral, as much as I really dislike Chris Rock and the execution of it, at least has a gritty aesthetic and some gruesome traps. got to give it credit it for trying something different, even if it fails.
For me, Jigsaw is a 3/10 and Spiral is a 4/10. Saw 1 and 6 are 9/10s and all the others are 7/10 (yes, even Saw 3D). I have a ranking based on personal enjoyment but the Saw films in the middle are all pretty close in terms of quality to me with their own strengths and weaknesses.
There is no Jigsaw in Wa Sing Sei.
be a lot cooler if it _was_ though :)
I rank this one 9th out of the 10, but despite that low rank I will say I find this an enjoyable Saw entry. There’s nothing particularly wrong with it, but nothing really noteworthy about it either, lol. The twists are fun even if it’s walking on familiar territory. After 7 years it was…I’ll say “nifty”, to have a new Saw movie. I didn’t have any expectations good or bad. Logan being YET ANOTHER conspirator was kind of head scratching at first, but I’ve come to think of his involvement with John Kramer, as well as Dr. Gordon’s, as more an occasional collaborator than full-on apprentice like Amanda or Hoffman. At least that’s how I choose to look at it in my own head-cannon.
that's how i feel about it as well, it just kinda exists. which is a good thing!
This was my introduction into saw so it has a special place in my heart and I really enjoy this film and Logan Nelson is actually my favorite jigsaw killer
see that's why i like this one, introducing so many new fans into this franchise :)
This was another great video! This one may not be the best one, but it's still another fine movie in this franchise! way better than Spiral or 3D too!
thank you very much! :) to me, all three are VERY close together overall
(Edit:) Decided to redo my comment because I think I literally just wrote the exact same one from the Saw V vid lmao, imo Jigsaw was only good for 2 things, bringing a new wave of Saw fans in, and the "This is your key to freedom" moment, besides that this movie is awful lol, 18 glowing Billy eyes out of 7.3, great video as always :) Also!!! just watched Kinds of Kindness yesterday and f*cking LOVED it, highly recommend if you like weird dark sh*t, very different from Poor Things though, not a feel good movie like that one
omg another yorgos stan! you have good taste :)
i haven't seen this movie, but i did have a nightmare that jigsaw 2017 was about john kramer releasing pterodactyls on an entire town a la the birds 1963 which honestly sounds far more interesting than this movie
wait that would be kinda cool... taking notes in case i direct saw 26 in 2053
honestly a saw movie (or tv show? It'd better be good) with the remain accomplices. Where it could also possibly explain why Logan was never brought up, or what the last are even doing. Like what's Gordon up to?
I also like to believe that Logan wanted one last round of Jigsawing, and decided to also take out someone he wants gone. So maybe Gordon confronts Logan after all this time about bringing him back. Something like that might be cool to see idk. It's been a while since seeing Saw movies.
i do think a saw series could work really well, i'm pretty sure jason voorhees is getting one, so why not the saw universe? whether it would be a prequel or a new story entirely, i'd still watch it
one of my rats passed away last night and i just saw this now, still very excited to watch
omg i'm so sorry to hear that :( hopefully you're doing okay
Can’t wait to hear your thoughts on spiral 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
chris rock shaved years off my life... spiral vid coming in 2 weeks! :)
I'M LATE, but finally here! I can't wait to see what you have to say about this one!!
better late than never, glad to see you here :)
In my opinion, this is easily the worst entry in the series. Spiral is also awful, but at least it has Chris Rock 😂
Another great episode in this retrospective. Thank you dalt.!
both are very close for me personally (at the bottom that is) and i feel like i keep flip flopping them back and forth
I know people give Spiral a lot of crap but if you ask me, Jigsaw absolutely is the worst of the franchise
Thats just me at least. Hell, logan coulda made that last line so much cooler
"I speak for the dead. And the dead... says Game Over." **slams door**
both spiral and jigsaw have their own long lists of issues, and both feel kinda like soulless entries in this franchise
I don’t like horror movies and I’ve only seen the first Saw but you are so fun and easy to listen to, I’ve watched all of these.
wow thank you so much :) that means a lot
the best start to the weekend! more saw lesgooooo!!!
it sure is! might even treat myself to watching saw 2 today :o
Probably my personal least favorite in the franchise. The “secret apprentice” trope was dissatisfying and done before.
it's probably also towards the bottom for me as well
The main thing I hated about this movie was the awful cgi gore
god it was so bad... the motorcycle trap was the worst offender
@@ripdalt I think the leg slices that look like sushi rolls and bounce like low effort weightless animation is the worst, but yeah the motorcycle one too
@@themightymcb7310 oh true, they're like made of rubber or something lmao
waiter, waiter!! more dalt saw analysis please!!
feeling like carmie from the bear cooking these up :)
Hey, thanks again for your videos ! You should maybe invest in a good mic for your vids, your voice soudns a bit crunchy and whenever you go into the highs or low we hear it saturate (it doesn't rui nthe video or anything ,but since you're gtting pretty popular it might be nice to ugrade your gear :D). Personally bought a Rode NT1-A 2 years ago and it's awesome, nowadays it's pretty cheap and has a basically perfect audio quality, i can only recommend it if you're on a budget it's very nice ^-^
oooh thank you! my recording setup is super janky, but i try and make it work :) i'll look into it though!
Ahh yes, you never disappoint me. Even if I disagree with a point or 2, your narration is appreciated ❤. This movie was so underwhelming.
thank you very much :) that's be beauty of the movies, we can agree and disagree but still have that shared love for them
i have been waiting for your video on this because i love the saw franchise so much but hated jigsaw. even when i saw it in theatres i was so disappointed. saw x is what i thought jigsaw was going to be
that's completely fair, it was such a shock to my system when i first saw it
I love these videos and im excited for the next ones. I think Spiral is the one nobody asked for, and i think after Jigsaw fans were okay to let the franchise rest, but wouldn't be opposed to more movies.
Are there other horror franchises you wanna dig into after Saw, or any of the expanded media from the DVD extras and games?
that's fair actually, genuinely nobody could've asked for what chris rock cooked up in spiral. i think eventually i would go over the games, and as for other franchises, i'd certainly like to go into the scream franchise, and i'm 100% getting into every kid's horror gateway, scooby-doo! :)
@ripdalt Scream is so incredible, and I am very happy I picked them all up last Halloween. I have seen two movies of the now 6 and they're pretty good at being contained but also calling back to earlier entries.
I hope you'll have fun with the Saw games, and Scooby-Doo too!
Ummm I think you got the movies mixed up because everybody wanted Jigsaw, it was Spiral nobody asked for 🤷🏻♂️
lmao truuuuue
his ass did not help make the reverse bear trap. they are REWRITING HISTORY
what has this franchise COME TO
the best part about this movie though, it isn't spiral. that movie legitimately made me so upset
truuuuue
By far my favorite 1312 channel.
hell yeah, just you wait until the spiral one lmao
I liked it a lot better than 5,6,and 7.
ooo interesting
WOO the movie ive been waiting for!! im so glad to see you enjoy this movies rifle trap- it was the one good thing to really come out of this movie. although im ngl i do enjoy ryan a lot. he deserved better 💔
i really liked that one! unfortunate how it ended for the two, but definitely makes sense in the context of the rest of the game and how the two lived
I don’t hate this one. It is very okay. I put it on when cleaning.
it's absolutely a good background movie
I Really Wanted To Like This Movie, I Was Hoping Jigsaw Would Bring Saw Back But It Felt Like A Slog To Get Through Even At The Theater. But I Think The Next Saw X Really Hit The Nail On The Head And Its Probably My New Favorite In The Series. I Hope You Plan On Making A Saw X Video Next, I Love How You Articulate These Videos And Would Love To See Your Opinion On The Film
saw x is 100% coming, but first the (obviously) forgotten about spiral! :)
There’s something about the Saw franchise. There’s not a film that I actually dislike. I do have a tier list though 😂
exactly! they're all so good, in their own little ways. some DEFINITELY better than others though
love ur saw series :3
thank youuuuu :)
Jigsaw is not my favorite Saw film and therefore I am not the ugliest dalt. viewer. But it is probably my fourth favorite Saw film (behind 1, 6, and 10). It has plot holes, but like, yeah, of course it does, it's Saw. It has acting problems, but like, yeah, of course it does, it's Saw. It's a fun, fast watch and I think Logan is a great character and (I disagree with dalt. here) I am never bored by it because none of the plots feel extraneous (unlike 3D or 4). I don't think about it when I think about the series, but I enjoy it on a rewatch after the quagmire that is 3D, and that alone is worth something.
that's basically how i view it (and most of the series) as well, sure it's not _the best thing_ you've ever seen, but it's still a saw movie. this one just doesn't quite grab my attention like some of the others unfortunately, but at least it's not my least favorite :)
THREE MINUTE GANG 💥💥💥
omg early gang :o
@@ripdalt always put ur saw vids in the watch later playlist if I can't watch immediately
“80 minutes of mid” so 80 midnutes? 😂 I’m sorry I’m sorry
if only i had thought of that one for the actual script, lmao
@@ripdalt you say that now but if I were a script doctor everything will end up so punny everyone will cringe 😂
It honestly feels like every film after Saw 6 is so awful. Saw X is great, but Saw 7-9 can disappear into the archive. The only good scene in this entire movie is the shot gun key to freedom scene. That's it.
the heights of 6 trumps nearly everything else that comes after, only a few moments from each movie afterwards come close to giving me that same feeling
Hi, dalt. Missed you, homie...❤
hi jules! welcome back :) good to see you again
So glad i was recommended your videos today! Have binge watched all of them and now am inspired to make my own content based on this. Will it be a blogpost or a video? Who knows. But something you said in your video on Saw VI inspired me to be able to communicate the exceptional nihilist and post-leftist themes in Saw. Anyways, thank you for your incredible videos!
i LOVE that this made you want to create your own stuff! that's super cool :) and thank you for watching!
Ive said it before and ill say it everytime.
I love your shit, its good shit
and every time the comment means so much :) thank you!
These have been 👌👌 cheers
thank you very much :)
It ruined the lore so bad
like "hey what if we had ANOTHER apprentice that's more important than the rest that you've never heard of"
@@ripdalt and also the knife chair being John's first ever trap makes more sense than this stupid ass group battle trap being his ACTUAL REAL first
@@Hatsune-Miku_Fan it could make sense as his first game, as games generally are a combination of traps put together, but it's an awful first trap.
Its a Squirrel
ohhh there you go, that's the one
Harley cuddle red hair
soooo true
I hate jigsaw twist ending because it doesn't make sense. I mean there is no way that this is from 2004 other than that compare the jigsaw game with saw 1 games. It's not even close. Other than that to win the jigsaw game you need to follow the rules but in the final game jigsaw use the playing on words and he didn't do that in any other game. and also why did jigsaw bring ryan to the game for thing he do in his childhood by accident
i think because he never fully atoned for his wrongdoings, but there's an alarming amount of people in these movies that probably don't deserve it
I kinda liked it
that's all that matters then! :) it's a good time
12:14 Oh hell nah
HR's worst nightmare
Moive directors when they can make an actual great film based of an loved franchise:😪😷🤮🤢🤢
Movie directors when they get an chanse to make an bad movie: 🗣️💥🫡🫡🫡🤤😂🤣😀😀
that's crazy how this can work for every franchise
For real😭🙏
Wonderful video ❤️
thank you very much! :)
YAYYYY excited to watch!
i hope you enjoy! :)
YEEEEEAH new dalt!!!!🎉
yeeeeeee :)
Wait, what? Why Yt didn't let me know you uploaded? 😭😭😭😭
they don't want you to see peak cinema :( but at least you're here now! :)
No peak cinema nor peak youtube apparently. Great awesome video ❤ @@ripdalt
Worst Saw movie, even Spiral is better.
those are bold claims, but not completely false
You couldn’t pay me to watch spiral again that was just trash. I’ve watched jigsaw several times.
Spiral is a terrible SAW movie and okish thriller/buddy cop movie
What makes me laugh is how confident the studio were that a movie with Chris rock and Sam L Jackson would just be a success no questions asked, then it flops 😂
While this is not my favorite Saw movie, that’s for sure it’s way better than 5,7 and spiral but to be fair, everything is better than spiral
truuuuue, this one might put me to sleep, but spiral actively upsets me lmao