The Definitive Technology DN12 SUPRISED ME! - DN12 Subwoofer Review
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Still have a DT pf15 sub i bought in 1994 never misses a lick 27 years later,still impressed today!
bruh im with you DT pf 15tl plus bought in 2005
I have a all def tech setup in my theater. My mains are the original bi-polar towers bp2000’s with powered 15’s built in. Still going strong after 20 years. Clr 3000 for center and 4 bpvx’s for surround. All powered by NAD electronics. Will be adding the dn15 soon. Best sound for the money in my opinion!
i was looking at those also but ended up with Klipsch KSP400's with built in 15" sub , and as you said after 20 years still going strong..
Def tech was my first satellite speaker surround purchase years ago. I run a def 9060 center channel now. But have moved to other brands for theater room. Good sound to value ratio. 👌
I now am curious to see how the big cheese DN15 stacks up. I saw the DN10s at Best Buy and I was very impressed. It was shaking the room and gave the PB-2000 pro next to it a serious run for it's money. If that's the ten inch, imagine how the 12 inch sounds, let alone the 15 inch
I’m sure the 15 will clearly outperform any svs sub. I too did the same comparison as you and the DN10 danced around the Pb-2000 pro. Get it and if you don’t like it return it.
@FURANSHISUKO Hiru JR it definitely does go low. Look at youthman review of the DN12
I bought def techs flagship BP7000SC towers when they came out, and about 14 years later one of the towers was making a static sound out of the built in sub.
Went back and forth for months sending parts into them only to still have the same problem. They contacted me about giving me a great deal on their new towers because they didn't know why i was still having the issue, so i said i was interested but they never got back to me even after repeatedly emailing them.
I was so frustrated i wound up buying all JTR's and never looked back.
Pretty sure Def Tech doesn’t have a speaker that can compete with JTR.
@@Youthman I agree. When i had the BP7000's i thought they were the greatest speakers for the money until i heard JTR's.
Now i am so happy i finally have my end game speakers!
Oh btw, your video of visiting Jeffs shop made me pull the trigger, so i hope you make another video of his new shop.
Def Tech is what I use for my bed channel - they never surprise. They are always the best.
That’s fantastic. Keep enjoying your set up
Subwoofer finally sounds Awesome with Deep hard hitting bass. Just had to remove the LFE cable and use dual RCA (red and white) Onkyo crossover at 50 HZ for Subwoofer and LFE ser to Off.
As I'm just using the Onkyo receiver for the Subwoofer (No speakers) the LFE or Dual RCA not really matter. But my subwoofer doesn't play Low frequency unless Crossover is Low. LFE was bad as 120 HZ. Dual RCA (Red & White) putting Amplifier Crossover at 50 Or 60 HZ and LFE set to Off, really brought the Deep Low bass sounds Way Better now. Ya probably missing 5-10% of the Movies soundtracks which are 80-120 HZ but I don't care about those scenes. My soundbar subwoofer will play those.
I saw your video on the 6 Woofers or 2 OSD Trevoce 12s. Just unboxing and showing the cables. But I was wondering if you adjusted the frequency or used the iWoofer app.
I'm a long time DEFTech buyer. I bought 2 of these subs, as a reference i've owned the super cube 2000 and 4000. I'm using a Marantz SR8015. For some reason, I'm not getting a lot of output out of this massive sub. I've turned the sensitivity to 0db (press phase on back of sub for 5 seconds, blinking blue light, make adjustment on remote -12db/-6db/-0db.) Receiver sub out up +4, and the volume on sub up to 30-34, almost at limit, and with all of this, I get way more output from my RSL Speedwoofer 10S (350 watt/10 inch driver vs 500-1500 watt 12 inch driver on DT), and its at around +3 out of 10 in volume. My friend who bought 2 of these is having the same experience. We've both tried every phase setting as well as the EQ settings, same thing. Any ideas appreciated, before we have to return these... thanks Youthman!
I'm having the same issue with my dual DN15's, I'm running a Yamaha RXA-1060 receiver. The DN15's were supposed to replace my supercube 8000 but I get way more output at a much lower volume level out of the supercube. I've been going back and forth with DefTech tech support for over a week now and haven't gotten any good answers, I'm thinking about returning theDefTechs and going with an SVS PB16-Ultra. Have you had any luck getting more volume out of the DefTech sub?
I too have this issue with dual DN12's, a couple of DN12 reviewers have noted this, I wonder why DefTech chose extremely low input sensitivity high gain with their Class H amplifier design, it's baffling that you have to have these at full volume (40) for any decent volume, this is the response I received from one of DefTech's engineers regarding their Input Sensitivity settings, "Depending on the input, Descend DN12 Subwoofer Amp gain setting it is either 600mV (-12dB), 300mV (-6dB), or 150mV (0dB)"
Just a tidbit... Do NOT connect/disconnect the subwoofer cable to the subwoofer while the subwoofer is on... This will immediately fry the amplifier. The subwoofer inputs are not buffered so doing so will short the amp. Found this out the hard way with my SuperCube SC6000 and the Descend DN12. Best bet is to turn off the subwoofer and unplug the power cable for a few minutes before doing anything.
SVS SB 2000 probably the best subwoofer for $900. But if you get the 16" sealed it has a built in Power Conditioner type unit, clean power sound.
Def Tech makes some very excellent home theater products.
I used to be the biggest Def Tech fan on earth. Had them for close to 20 years and spent thousands on them but turned on them. I stuck with them after Sandy left but a few years ago I just kinda let them go.
LFE channel is designed to be 120 HZ, another TH-cam subwoofer man said this: "LFE channel plays up to 120 hz and you need a sub playing that or things will be weird sounding". When I had the Dual RCA and Subwoofer Crossover at 40-50 HZ turn knob and the Onkyo crossover was still on, it sounded very Violent Bass for some movie scenes, scary type. But it was definitely not sounding right too. Combing both crossovers you can get 48 DB Octave crossover instead of 24.
Just got dual DN 12...few days ago....to go with my Onkyo RZ 70...... awesome sounding sub🍺
Cool tip! - I also have set my subs at ~80Hz.
My bass has been somewhat underwhelming at times.
So, I will also try cranking the sub x-over freq to the highest level available, and let the AVR take control of all it. - THANKS!
I'm learning everyday, inspite of decades of experience. :)
That’s great to hear Garry. I learn something new every day as well. If you can get a calibrated microphone like the miniDSP UMIK-1 you will better be able to understand what is going on in your room. You may be sitting in a null And by moving your subwoofer a few feet, it may fix that altogether or you may have to add a second or a third subwoofer to smooth out the bass response in your room
@@Youthman Thanks - I actually have two subs already - an older 15" Velodyne and a 12" Klipsch down-firing.
I've acquired the Multi-EQ to use with my Denon AVR.
I'll look into getting the UMIK-1
This subwoofer is on sale for 699 euros ~ 770usd, any opinions? My knowledge of these things is very limited.
I picked up one of the DN12 subs and it sounds great in our living room setup my is also going down to 18hz. I plan on picking up a second one soon.
Congrats Eric.
Loved DefTech for years, mostly for their level of customer support. Since Chet retired, that high level of service has vanished.
Chet was the best! I agree with you on the service now, just read my post above.
I agree,chet was fantastic and very knowledgeable. Always great to talk to him.
I couldn't agree more. I have 4- BP7004's of which 2 died after 6 years, 1 is making the dreaded humming sound and 1 is still working correctly. I also have a SuperCube sub that lasted 5 years and a ProSub 1000 that lasted 8 years. None were driven hard at all with the exception of the 2 towers that funny enough are the 2 that are still working so maybe the key to Def Tech stuff is to work them hard? ☺ ☺ I called to see if they still offered replacement amps but sadly they do not.
@@madcrabber1113 yep. Dead amps on cool subwoofers are a terrible end
You are very nice for all your Replies back to comments. Apparently I will need to use the iWoofer app for getting 20-25 HZ response. OSD Trevoce made for High SPL they not focused on Low Frequency. 93 Decibels at 25 HZ and 130 Decibels at 60 HZ is the Chart Analysis of Joe N Tell review.
Actually i will use the Dual RCA input for the Subwoofer Crossover as it has Texas Instrument 25 band EQ digital, set the crossover on Sub to 40 or 50 HZ. Onkyo receiver i will Turn Off the LFE and put Sub crossover at 50 HZ (Can't turn it off).
I don't know about Joe N Tell saying you can't get 20 HZ without using DSP, the Sub is made for 18 HZ and built in EQ digital filters to flatten bass down to 18HZ. DSP just to remove the higher frequency.
I purchased 4 Mythos One, a Mythos 3 center, and a Super Cube for $700. A co-worker was “upgrading” her home theater system. Granted, the speakers are from 2006, but I have been an audiophile since the 70s. Speaker wise, there’s not much improvement. Even newer Mythos were surprisingly issued on oval shape drivers. JBL speakers from 76 are still selling for over $1,000 and I’d love to get a pair of L65 in my hands. I love my Mythos system.
Those acoustic treatments have really made a difference in your room. Your videos are sounding better and better, Micheal.
Thank you kindly
AVS Forum I used to set-up the Onkyo receiver. How I learned THX Cinema mode is maximum Subwoofer output rather than extension. But with all EQ modes off, supposed to be Flatter bass response. Mostly I use Surround 7.1 mode.
How do you think 2 of these would work in a LARGE room?
6m X 9m X 2.8m opens to hallway 2m X 10m X 2.8m
MLP will be 2.8m from 6m wall.
I'm thinking of just a 5.2 system using Klipsch RP-600m Mk II, 504 center and 402 side surrounds
With LFE Off on the Onkyo the Subwoofer Crossover level stays on from 40 HZ to 180 HZ, I thought i could set it to 60 and Subwoofer crossover 60, but i heard that's a big No, having 2 different Crossovers working together same time. Subwoofer Crossover must still be turned up all the way to 200 HZ as there is no Bypass or Off. I will be using LFE for now at 120 HZ, later RCA(red and white) experiment with Onkyo at 40 HZ and Subwoofer crossover all the way up 200 HZ.
Nice that you show cm also for us Europe folks. Thank you!
I try to hook you guys up
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Thank you kindly
My DT ProSub 800 went out(making noise) after 13 years. 😔 Looking for suggestions. Setup Denon-AVR16-11, DT Pro 800 Front L and R, DT Pro Center 1000, Ole School Sony 3-way floor speakers(Rear) SS-F5000.
My show off movie is Olympus Has Fallen that AC-130 scene IYKY 😂 thank you in advance
very curious about DN15 to replace my SC8000. someone start the chant so we get another review >.
My OSD Trevoce 12s is finally sounding good. Onkyo receiver is on THX DTS mode and also using 7.1 Surround. Only subwoofer connection No Speakers but i want the bass response accuracy as watching Dolby Atmos Soundbar. My system is basically facing my Kitchen so i didn't want Surround speakers on my kitchen countertop or cabinets etc. First 3 years was just Soundbar with No Rears now I have 2 small Rears as the Vizio M51 Soundbar Dolby Atmos. The 1974 house is Definitely not made for home theater. My other house i have a real 5 Speakers and Subwoofer (no Soundbar) but using Yamaha DTS receiver from 2005. Need a newer house on Half Acre+ Or big remodeling construction job.
Thx for the nice review. Was thinking about buying one of these but needed a good review to go for it, and i definetly found it.
I got a small room and wanted a musical sw that would perform well on moovies and on music too and i think passive radiators are the way to go. Now only doubt is, going for one 12 or two 10??? 🤔
Not a fan of def tech but can’t knock them bringing out some more subs and bringing some competition to the pack good review
I haven’t heard them in years. These were a very pleasant surprise
How do u think this is compared to The arendal 1961 1s and 1723 1s subs then?
Hi, Im looking for a subwoofer for my new setup. Already ordered Def Tech in ceiling speakers (yet to be installed).
Confused between the PB 1000 Pro & DN12. Ive heard the DN12 and love it, but Im not able to find a demo for SVS in my region.
Which one would be more powerful, tighter and provide better quality bass?
Youthman! Love your videos and super helpful! Currently building a home theater room 16x21 with the DefTech 9080's Towers, 9080 Center, sr9080 for side and rears and di8r's for atmos rears. With that being said I am struggling with what subs to get and want to go dual. Looked at SVS 4000 and SVS 16's both ported and enclosed. Now I see that Monolith has come out with the 16 THX which has peaked my interest as well... Then i watched this review and am wondering your thoughts and if the D15 would be a contender against the listed above???? :) Keep the great content coming brother and God bless!
Thank you for the kind words Joshua. The reality is there are some very good subwoofers on the market today. You just have to do some research to see which would work best for your set up and your budget
@@Youthman thanks so much! I was just wondering if you had a favorite of that group regardless of price.
I have not heard the Monolith 16 But my guess it will be able to go ahead ahead with the PB16’s and dig a little deeper
Should I buy dn12 for 650usd?
Thanks for the graphs!
And apparently the subwoofer crossover should Never be used unless connecting speakers to it or if receiver amp does not have subwoofer output and crossover control.
I almost bought the Definitive DN10 when it was $560 and $599 on sale at Best Buy and Amazon. But when the price went Up to $800 i was like No Way. SVS SB 2000 is much better subwoofer for the price (compared to the DN12).
i have always matched my crossovers between avr and amp plates... whats the negative to that? i am now wondering it i been missing out on turning amp plate crossover all the way up
First reason is it’s duplicating the same thing. I can’t see any benefit to using two crossovers for your subwoofer. You could likely have some cancellation. Only way to know is to measure it both ways with REW
Definitely recommended to max out the sub crossover or set to LFE, and let the AVR handle the crossover. Also, the speaker crossover and the LFE crossover are two separate things. So even if you have an 80hz crossover on your speakers the sub or LFE crossover should be set to 120hz. That is for audio that is designated for the subwoofer channel and not being dumped on the sub from the speakers. So if you set your sub crossover to 80hz or whatever your speakers are set to then you could be cutting off information being set to the sub through the LFE channel.
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Thanks for the review. Can you compare to similarly priced alternatives as well as similarly sized alternatives? Helps to give perspective.
At the end of the video I shared a playlist of all of the subwoofers I have reviewed on the channel.
5% of Movie content is at 120HZ or the 80-120 HZ i heard on AVS forums. It's so funny how many people have different views on the settings. One guy said he knows it's supposed to be 120HZ but he tried 80 HZ LFE on his amplifier and his SVS SB2000 sounded better. Another guy thinks he's smart putting LFE at 110 HZ just below 120 to get better sound... Lol. I would just do 100 if was him. I will always have the LFE at 120 HZ now. But another TH-cam guy said i can put my Subwoofer Crossover at whatever i want when LFE on amp is 120HZ.
Thanks for the review YM. But honestly, really no interest in DefTec subs. Way too many better options out there at better prices.
There isn’t a product that will be for everyone. This is one of many options. If it isn’t what you are looking for, nothing wrong with that.
@@Youthman totally agree with you
Not sure if I should go for the older supercube 6000 or d decend dn10 or dn12
What SVS model would this compare to...PB 2000, PB 3000 or other?
I have a DT sub in one of my spare rooms...it sounds pretty nice
Sweet!
@@Youthman Definitive Technology ProSub 1000...had to go look...lol...it's not an SVS, but it still sounds pretty good
All that matters is that it makes you smile.
Hey youthman will the older model supercube 6000 which is 1500 watts n 14hz low be better than the decend 10 or 12 which is 30hz low
Need some advice. Considering: Arendal 1961 1V, DN12, REL HT 1508 for mostly movies. Most people seems to advice on Ported subs for movies. What's your view on the subject?
Thinking also of the arendal subs and how the 1961 and 1723 series is compared to The descend series then.
@@ulflarsson9693 jag tro jag kommer välja Monoprice Monolith 12.
@@el_projects har monoprice någon svensk importör då?
@@ulflarsson9693 Nope. Men dom kör fri frakt från deras EU hemsida. Just nu har dom 22% off på hela hemsidan. Men jag avvaktar tills efter jag har flyttat, känns dumt att har en 45kg sub liggandes hemma.
YOUTHMAN , YOUR THE MAN, SO SMOOTH.
Thank you
Yourhman. Hsu VTF 3 MK 5, VTF 15H MK2. Could you give them a review?
How is 2 × dn 12 subs compared to one arendal 1723 2 v then?.
I would need them in the same room at the same time in the same location to measure the differences
do you think the DN12 is better than the SVS PB2000Pro?
You would need to measure them to know how they compare.
Youthman, I have two 15” monolith subwoofers, can you mix subs like the Def tech subs with them? My subs are in the front, and I don’t have the room for anymore of the 15” monolith subs because of there size.
What about smaller Monolith models? I think they are on sale right now, and their subs may be the best value out there outside of DIY.
How is the dn 12 compared to The arendal subs then.?.
I didn’t have them in the same time to compare. Both performed very well.
@@Youthman do u think the dn 12 is better then the arendal 1961 1s sub then?.
Love Def Tec...
Have dual Def Tech Supercube Reference subs (14" dual 14" radiators, 1500w rms, 1800 peak).
They are awsome 😊
Thanks for a nice review Michael 😊
Glad you enjoyed the video Andre
~ I have the 14" Supercube References too, Love 'em.
It’s so little, how cute
Very compact form factor works better for living room systems. Not everyone can have 220 lb subwoofers.
@@Youthman yes they can. I have a dream that black people and white people can all have 4 sets of 2 18 inch subs
If you don't have the remote can you still operate this sub?
Yes, you don't need the remote at all to operate the DN12 sub, disappointingly Def Tech removed the Power button from the remote unlike previous SuperCube models offered :(
Hi Youthman. It's been a while but I've seen your vids regarding the SVS PB Ultra 16s (2 of them) and the JTR Captivator RS2. I've studied the stats of both, but having a hard time deciding which would be better for me. Most of my time is spent listening to music, so the LFE with movies (where great to experience) is not my priority (and both easily meet my needs). So, with music, I listen to lots of genres but over the last couple years listening to more progressive house, techno, etc...most of which is more mid-bass than very low bass like with rap. Any thoughts/opinions you can share would be appreciated.
For music, both are excellent options. Even a pair of JTR Captivator RS1’s would be incredible. A lot of guys enjoy sealed subs for music and ported for movies. The Captivator RS1 and RS2 IMO offer the best of both worlds. High output, low extension and with 4,000 watt amplifier, they have no problem keeping up with transients
@@Youthman Thank you very much for responding and the quick reply. Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.
Happy thanksgiving as well
Hello....
Hi?
How to respectfully say..." if you need an over priced subwoofer for your over priced soundbar".....in about 12 minutes.
Actually that’s not at all what I said. But thanks for trying.
Hey Youthman,I was just being a little sarcastic. Love your content and thanks for replying in spite of my remark..lol. I used to only run Def Tech speakers for about 16 years and while I enjoyed them for what they were,there are so many better brands out there,especially at that $1200 price point. Since Sandy,left they have seemed to have turned into a bit of a mall speaker brand. They are more of a starter speaker and sub for sure. Hope you and your family have a Great Thanksgiving!
My apologies, it’s often difficult to interpret comments. 😉 I’m grateful as consumers, we have soooo many options. Def Tech subs will not be for one person and would be a great fit for another.
Happy Thanksgiving as well to you and your family.
That's what Millions of Americans want is just to add a better Subwoofer for the Soundbar. I did it by buying Onkyo THX Atmos receiver for $350.
Why don’t you have your whole home theater professionally calibrated
I don’t have speakers throughout my home. The only system there is to calibrate is my theater room.
@@Youthman yes that is what I am saying your home theater
I’m continually swapping out components every time I review an AVR, processor, speakers or subwoofers. Also, I would rather setup and calibrate my own setup so I know exactly what has been tweaked. Most people can “set it and forget it” for years without swapping out anything.
What is the time mark for the shotgun scene in JW 3?
Not sure. Every time I play the movie in my 4K player, it ask if I want to resume where I left off so it’s always in the right place
@@Youthman I found it , thanks. Have a great weekend!!
@@Youthman Sorry didn’t tell the mark in case someone else would like to know. It’s at 1:37:36.
Thanks!
@@Youthman Another good test for your subs is the opening combat scene In Unbroken.
Good morning
PS excellent Value for Money VS Performance.
You should have a look into the Polk audio PSW505
I have heard a few Polk subs over the year. Haven’t found one that impressed me.
@@Youthman I own two Polk audio psw505. And there probably one of the first subwoofer I actually like from Polk audio. It’s powerful then any of there new line up for subs. There two 12s inch amps are 300 watts to 460 watts peak power. There newer line ups are now only 200 watts. The psw505 is the most powerful 12 inch Polk audio makes
That’s great to hear they have stepped up their game
@@Youthman you should give the Polk audio psw505 a try you will be in shock take my word because I’m also not a fan of Polk audio subs but this psw505 has shocked me on how powerful of a 12 inch it is
The PSW505 is indeed a great sounding subwoofer; however the Polk subs. have a horrible track record of amp. reliability. Usually failing just outside of the warranty. Read the reviews, they're out there. I friend of mine just had his 505 amp quite just a few days ago, and I've replaced more than one amp on another friend's 505 (inside warranty). Good sound that doesn't last in the long haul.
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Really yman, are you kidding me? A deftech sub in 2021? Losing your mojo buddy.
For the record, I never had any mojo. The reality is this subwoofer will not be for everyone, just like my JTR Captivator RS2’s will not be for everyone. My goal on this channel is to share my experience with products that I review. It’s up to consumers to decide if it it is what they are looking for in their setup.
YOU PLANS ARE NO MATCH FOR MOJO JOJO!
Will never in my life ever buy another one of there products trash. I will say the old supercubes are great new ones are shit
If you say so
Shit? Like your grammar?
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