Just got a 3.0 Premium MT at the end of April, just about to hit the 1200 break-in miles and I have a complimentary track day next Saturday. It will be my first time tracking a car, I am very excited
@@nicoking55 it was incredible. It was my first time tracking a car ever, so I don't think I pushed the car to its stock limits. First thing I want to do is put it on springs so it's a bit lower and stiffer though
Fenton, I can't express how much I appreciate your subjective but always honest reviews. It helps me feel current in a way that I can trust. For me, I've always been a sucker for light manual trans front engine RWD track cars. I cut my track teeth on that format, so in my mind, it's the standard by which all others are measured. Add an inline six to that and you get perfection IMO. It may not be the fastest, but for my money, it give the funnest, most engaging driving experience on the road.
Top 5 mods needed for any track track car; 1. Driver mod. HDPE, autocross, and more seat time around a track and canyon driving. Going fast in your street car on a highway means absolutely nothing when you don't understand the mechanics of car control, weight balance and distribution, feeling the brakes and tires on when they are about to give. 2. Upgraded brake pads and fluid 3. Stickier tires 4. Coilovers/sway bars 5. I was gonna say LSD but since modern cars like this come with an electronic one, I'd say aero. Proper splitter and wing. Power is definitely the absolute last thing anyone needs on the track. Once you push the limits of the car with stock power with said mods and are comfortable putting down consistent laptimes, then you can add power. Modern turbocharged stock cars power levels are more than adequate and pretty fast around a track as is.
GR86 Premium track review will be published in a few days. TLDR - GR86 is more fun in stock form. Supra feels heavier and less eager to turn. Obviously, performance is on another level but I believe that's due to power and tire compound (PS4 vs PSS).
Hey Fenton, How would you compare the turbo lag and response below 3k rpm between this and the 718 GTS 2.5 turbo? The comments seem to suggest this one has better low end response, which I guess shouldn’t be surprising given the bigger 3.0 liter engine and twin scroll turbo. I did see your earlier comparo but don’t recall if you addressed this directly
Been a while since I drove it, but I distinctly remember the GTS 2.5 having more immediate throttle response than the manual Supra. Less low end torque perhaps (torque curve) but the throttle response itself is better.
The cayman Gts 2.5 has the Variable Vane Turbo so it acts as a small fast spooling turbo at low rpm then the vanes open up in the turbo to let more flow in up top hence the better throttle/turbo response.
The pipped in noise is easy to turn off with coding but careful for what you wish for. I turned off the ASD (active sound design) on mine but ended it turning it back on in a very Matrix steak moment. The problem is the engine is simply too quite. While the stock exhaust is nice for the older ones of us, the engine is too quite even with the induction noise from my Dinan intake. The fakest of all the noises is those associated with RPM for the auto rev matching. Without them you have almost no idea what speed the engine is at without the tach. It’s simply too smooth, monotone and muted.
I know you don’t get the M140i over in the states, but the 240i is essentially the same car with the same engine. How does this compare? I have a manual 140i but looking to change soon, love the B58 but not a fan of the handling of the 140
I turned off the ASD (active sound design) on mine but ended it turning it back on in a very Matrix steak moment. The problem is the engine is simply too quite. While the stock exhaust is nice for the older ones of us, the engine is too quite even with the induction noise from my Dinan intake. The fakest of all the noises is those associated with RPM for the auto rev matching. Without them you have almost no idea what speed the engine is at without the tach. It’s simply too smooth, monotone and muted.
@@Erkkremlinklum If this helps, i had CTR 19 before but never a EVO and i find Supra is so much better in terms of engagement, MT feels like its close to direct linkage, (find a friend who has a Supra MT that's willing to let you test drive if you can) but the CTR is more smooth in terms of shifting action (personally tho i drove a MT 1st gen 86 and i can say the Supra is like another step above the CTR in terms of feel, entirely subjective tho). Get behind the wheel of MT Supra before you decide, but i waited a whole year and decided to trade up from FK8 CTR to a Supra.
@@Erkkremlinklum Not sure if you made your decision. I came from a 550whp evo x stock block on flex e85 was super fun, owned the evo since new for 10 years until it burned down. I do miss my evo lots but i feel getting a Manual supra as opposed to the auto has kept my mind off my old baby. The Supra is extremely fun and smooth. Dont regret my choice of not getting another evo but ill definitley be missing my evo everyday.
@@pratmasta lmao Fastestlaps says otherwise, by .2 against an old M2 F87. Bias data pointing if you ask me. Buttonwillow config 13, that M2 bested the Supra by 3.
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Just got a 3.0 Premium MT at the end of April, just about to hit the 1200 break-in miles and I have a complimentary track day next Saturday. It will be my first time tracking a car, I am very excited
niice how was it? Are you happy with the track feeling? Do you want to add mods for track?
@@nicoking55 it was incredible. It was my first time tracking a car ever, so I don't think I pushed the car to its stock limits. First thing I want to do is put it on springs so it's a bit lower and stiffer though
Fenton, I can't express how much I appreciate your subjective but always honest reviews. It helps me feel current in a way that I can trust. For me, I've always been a sucker for light manual trans front engine RWD track cars. I cut my track teeth on that format, so in my mind, it's the standard by which all others are measured. Add an inline six to that and you get perfection IMO. It may not be the fastest, but for my money, it give the funnest, most engaging driving experience on the road.
Well said! We are completely aligned in our preferences.
Top 5 mods needed for any track track car;
1. Driver mod. HDPE, autocross, and more seat time around a track and canyon driving. Going fast in your street car on a highway means absolutely nothing when you don't understand the mechanics of car control, weight balance and distribution, feeling the brakes and tires on when they are about to give.
2. Upgraded brake pads and fluid
3. Stickier tires
4. Coilovers/sway bars
5. I was gonna say LSD but since modern cars like this come with an electronic one, I'd say aero. Proper splitter and wing.
Power is definitely the absolute last thing anyone needs on the track. Once you push the limits of the car with stock power with said mods and are comfortable putting down consistent laptimes, then you can add power. Modern turbocharged stock cars power levels are more than adequate and pretty fast around a track as is.
Also need aftermarket cooler, gonna make sure the temp is ok while on hotlaps for less cooldown lap or pit stop
Really get a sense of each drive from your content. Thanks for doing these
How does it compare with GR86 on track? Fun aspect and handling?
GR86 Premium track review will be published in a few days. TLDR - GR86 is more fun in stock form. Supra feels heavier and less eager to turn. Obviously, performance is on another level but I believe that's due to power and tire compound (PS4 vs PSS).
Camber plates and CUP 2 tires would be the best first mod imo.
Hey Fenton,
How would you compare the turbo lag and response below 3k rpm between this and the 718 GTS 2.5 turbo? The comments seem to suggest this one has better low end response, which I guess shouldn’t be surprising given the bigger 3.0 liter engine and twin scroll turbo.
I did see your earlier comparo but don’t recall if you addressed this directly
Been a while since I drove it, but I distinctly remember the GTS 2.5 having more immediate throttle response than the manual Supra. Less low end torque perhaps (torque curve) but the throttle response itself is better.
The cayman Gts 2.5 has the Variable Vane Turbo so it acts as a small fast spooling turbo at low rpm then the vanes open up in the turbo to let more flow in up top hence the better throttle/turbo response.
@porschegt2346 This (and all "BXX" engines) have the same tech, it's a twinscroll turbo.
I just subscribed solely on this video. Well done.
The only good BMW left.
There is no synthetic engine noise , you didn’t use sport mode so the suspension was soft.
Having driven a crazy track-prepped one on track at this point, would you go with a manual for a build like that ?
The pipped in noise is easy to turn off with coding but careful for what you wish for. I turned off the ASD (active sound design) on mine but ended it turning it back on in a very Matrix steak moment. The problem is the engine is simply too quite. While the stock exhaust is nice for the older ones of us, the engine is too quite even with the induction noise from my Dinan intake. The fakest of all the noises is those associated with RPM for the auto rev matching. Without them you have almost no idea what speed the engine is at without the tach. It’s simply too smooth, monotone and muted.
that color is 🥵..
This is going to sound a bit weird, but did you record a laptime around the track? I'd love to race you in Assetto Corsa lol.
Would y’all take this over a C6 Z06 for a track car?
You were not on PS4Ss, those were Super Sports
Why does the screen and dash flicker so much? I’ve been seeing this in a lot of videos
I know you don’t get the M140i over in the states, but the 240i is essentially the same car with the same engine. How does this compare? I have a manual 140i but looking to change soon, love the B58 but not a fan of the handling of the 140
Impeccable timing. I'm reviewing an M240i in a couple days.
The m240i styling is so atrocious … 🤮
Aren’t the stock tires PSS not PS4S?
Good video, but the audio from your voice being only in my left ear was pretty annoying, had to change it to mono audio.
Thanks for pointing this out. Will be fixed in the future.
The fake engine noise is pretty awful. Sounds like a video game
Easy to code that out. I’ve done it in my manual Supra and now want an exhaust as the car is quiet 😅
I turned off the ASD (active sound design) on mine but ended it turning it back on in a very Matrix steak moment. The problem is the engine is simply too quite. While the stock exhaust is nice for the older ones of us, the engine is too quite even with the induction noise from my Dinan intake. The fakest of all the noises is those associated with RPM for the auto rev matching. Without them you have almost no idea what speed the engine is at without the tach. It’s simply too smooth, monotone and muted.
It needs a manual e brake
Idk if I should make my evo 700+ hp or just sell it and get one of these 😫 somebody help a brotha out
Forget the Evo, save your money sell it get a Supra with a warranty. B58 is a solid motor, I’m sure Jackie Ding can attest to that.
@@samwan4957 yeah just wondering if I’d miss the rawness of the evo. Have you driven a modified evo and the new Supra by any chance?
@@Erkkremlinklum If this helps, i had CTR 19 before but never a EVO and i find Supra is so much better in terms of engagement, MT feels like its close to direct linkage, (find a friend who has a Supra MT that's willing to let you test drive if you can) but the CTR is more smooth in terms of shifting action (personally tho i drove a MT 1st gen 86 and i can say the Supra is like another step above the CTR in terms of feel, entirely subjective tho). Get behind the wheel of MT Supra before you decide, but i waited a whole year and decided to trade up from FK8 CTR to a Supra.
@@Erkkremlinklum
Not sure if you made your decision. I came from a 550whp evo x stock block on flex e85 was super fun, owned the evo since new for 10 years until it burned down.
I do miss my evo lots but i feel getting a Manual supra as opposed to the auto has kept my mind off my old baby. The Supra is extremely fun and smooth. Dont regret my choice of not getting another evo but ill definitley be missing my evo everyday.
@@JPTinioMedia damn do you know what caused it to catch fire
60k...a few $ more just get the M2. big no for me
stock supra is faster on track than an m2 - by 6 on nurburgring
@@pratmasta lmao Fastestlaps says otherwise, by .2 against an old M2 F87. Bias data pointing if you ask me. Buttonwillow config 13, that M2 bested the Supra by 3.
The new M2 is a tank. It weighs only 200lbs less than my fricken A6 3.0T. The Supra is the only good BMW left.
@@jjchockey clown on the weight, idc, practical tank w an S58. More than makes up for that.
M2 looks like it was designed by a raccoon
Jackie ding has made the TOYOTA GR SUPRA 2020 model the world's fastest time attack CAR in it's League . Check him out. Just type his name in . And you will learn about the guy who put this TOYOTA GR SUPRA at the TOP.
The real question is: "do you fall apart on track?"
i wish you braked later and put the power down earlier