Hail Storm Stops The Phoenix, Arizona Freeway! October 5th, 2010

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  • Crazy hail storm in Phoenix, Arizona stops the whole I-17 freeway near Bethany Road. I started recording once the hail begins to rain down the freeway. I turned off the music so you guys could hear the hail hitting my truck. This stuff is a pretty unusual event for Phx, AZ.
    10/5/2010
    Recorded using Samsung Epic 4G with 720p HD video quality.

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  • @billybassman21
    @billybassman21 9 ปีที่แล้ว +117

    It doesn't always rain in Arizona, but when it does all hail breaks lose.

    • @MisterMooo
      @MisterMooo 8 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      +billybassman21 Oh hail no

    • @IDABAYAREA650I
      @IDABAYAREA650I 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Lmao that was Hail a funny

    • @javic7334
      @javic7334 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Hail Yeah

    • @ruthrope8431
      @ruthrope8431 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yea

    • @stephensnell1379
      @stephensnell1379 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What the hail is going on😄😄

  • @Tech-ss1hl
    @Tech-ss1hl 10 ปีที่แล้ว +106

    If I were him I'd stop under that overpass to protect the car

    • @ijp4532
      @ijp4532 10 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      That's what I would've done

    • @phuckewe178
      @phuckewe178 9 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Commonsense there. I think the storm wasn't strong enough yet.

    • @Spancent
      @Spancent 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Then other cars will start parking under the overpass and cause a pileup

    • @philwhipple4557
      @philwhipple4557 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Then a DPS officer would stop behind you and make sure you're who you say you are and write you a big fat ticket.

    • @monoxydeish
      @monoxydeish 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      exactly!!!

  • @philwhipple4557
    @philwhipple4557 8 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    Defroster would have been a good thing.

    • @gemaalfandra4847
      @gemaalfandra4847 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What been stopped storm hail isfenour in Phonex.

    • @MobileSteel
      @MobileSteel 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      True

  • @TLTVGR
    @TLTVGR 7 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    If I were u I would stay under the bridge you crossed earlier in the vid...

    • @nahbruh894
      @nahbruh894 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      TLTV GR OH MY LORDDDDDD!!!!😂

    • @queen_b9280
      @queen_b9280 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Exactly my thoughts. I'm sure he got some hail damage.

    • @jlamarrr
      @jlamarrr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's not smart at all, you're just asking to get hit.

  • @fatchickiado4365
    @fatchickiado4365 9 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Those moments when your inside with a blanket in a car, cozy

  • @helivesonforever
    @helivesonforever 8 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    how bad was your poor truck beat up after that?

  • @guntherultraboltnovacrunch5248
    @guntherultraboltnovacrunch5248 7 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Safelite repair... Safelite replace.

  • @jazzydragon4498
    @jazzydragon4498 8 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Here in Arizona, our weather can be easily compared to the drawings of a maniac in a mental institution! From hail to snow! From monsoons to dust storms! Flash floods and dust devils! The whole shebang! We absolutely LOVE it here! :-D

    • @jazzydragon4498
      @jazzydragon4498 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hell, I even remember that blizzard that happened in FEBRUARY 19, 2013 in TUCSON! I'll have to say, driving at night would have never been more terrifying.

    • @kappakappa4507
      @kappakappa4507 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Jazzy Wood ok

    • @jordanl5064
      @jordanl5064 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Kappa Kappa lmao 😂

    • @invader_ren5974
      @invader_ren5974 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I hate it here

  • @natwest1971
    @natwest1971 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I was in France when it happened and couldn’t figure out what everybody was talking about on the shuttle ride home when I got back. I worked for Allstate as a claims adjuster about a year after this and we were still inspecting roofs for hail damage. At the time, this hail storm in Phx was the single most expensive weather event in history of Allstate.

    • @Bolt-Maniac
      @Bolt-Maniac 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wow 😮 amazing I will never forget this day

  • @longbeach225
    @longbeach225 10 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    In major hailstorms you suppose to pull over. Because one hail is coming down and you moving forward can cause relative speed of the hail to increase and cause more damage, lot of ice on the road can be very slippery and visibility is reduced to poor levels.

    • @DragonLady23
      @DragonLady23 10 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Well no shit Sherlock!

    • @NSanguro93
      @NSanguro93 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      DragonLady24 qweryuippomhvcddazsg,.1234567890111100511?????$'jk.

  • @prohibited03
    @prohibited03 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    0:33 Did I Win?
    Storm NO!
    Person recording: GOD DAMN IT

    • @yumkilet
      @yumkilet 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Xd

  • @FirebirdCamaro1220
    @FirebirdCamaro1220 12 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I also remember the hailstorm we had on Mar 4, 2004, that one was mainly in the east valley, driving down baseline rd in Mesa looked like a winter wonderland the ground was so covered in hail and slush

  • @macbookrock711
    @macbookrock711 13 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    NOW THAT'S a high pressure carwash!!! lol

  • @chrisbuttler2820
    @chrisbuttler2820 10 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    HAHAHA 4:37. There's always that one guy who just doesn't give a flying shit LOL. Makes me laugh. I bet he's from the midwest, sees that every year times 10 lol.

    • @jeffreydavis7957
      @jeffreydavis7957 10 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Lol? Are you a 13 year old girl?

    • @chrisbuttler2820
      @chrisbuttler2820 10 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Jeffrey Davis I don't really understand lol. Are you judging my comment or my picture?

    • @jordanl5064
      @jordanl5064 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Chris Buttler he's saying there really is no point stopping just keep driving obviously. Can't understand a simple comment??

    • @thesoundofthesuburbs
      @thesoundofthesuburbs 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      In Chicago, when it hails, people just keep driving. I was kind of surprised when I was caught in a hailstorm here how everyone just kept going at their normal speed.

    • @Mynameisdizz
      @Mynameisdizz 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      i think her windshield strong lol

  • @RoadToTheCup
    @RoadToTheCup 9 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    I don't understand why you didn't stop under the bridge.

    • @jordanl5064
      @jordanl5064 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wayne Coolidge because he just desperately had to make a TH-cam video

    • @YassineYassine-eo2vi
      @YassineYassine-eo2vi 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      LOL

  • @azknightwolf2552
    @azknightwolf2552 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I remember this storm. It wasn't limited to just one area. This caused damage all over the city.

  • @SebastianRomero-wv5vp
    @SebastianRomero-wv5vp 12 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love this video I watch it millions times I love Phoenix and this video

  • @kittensugars
    @kittensugars 10 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Dude! you can't see a damn thing! holy crap. I live in Phx, and remember that storm. It was Epic.

    • @invader_ren5974
      @invader_ren5974 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Storms like those nolonger exist

    • @stephensnell1379
      @stephensnell1379 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@invader_ren5974 they will occur more frequently as the climate changes more severely

    • @tamikafrison4698
      @tamikafrison4698 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Florida style of driving

  • @tannerlundell2987
    @tannerlundell2987 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I remember the day like it was yesterday

  • @andz1995
    @andz1995 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I remember his storm, I was in class at thunderbird high school. The roof was seriously damaged and classrooms were flooding. The damage to the school was so bad it wasn’t worth repairing it or greenway high school and they ended up rebuilding the schools instead

  • @toaxtz
    @toaxtz ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm in the Winnipeg area and hail storm was happening to manitoba *affected by manitoba*

  • @richardbradley6038
    @richardbradley6038 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I worked at a rental car place at this time. For about a year, we were working on cars. Some had to be totaled. It missed the airport. Where I was at 40th st and University, I saw this cloud and wondered what the heck is that? Only pea sized fell there.

  • @josephhoward4697
    @josephhoward4697 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Ah, yes. The day before Arizona’s epic tornado attack.

  • @richardswenson6041
    @richardswenson6041 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I lived near then. Remember that day all to well. We had baseball size hail at our place! And the ground was totally white with hail. At 2:00 am there where still hail the size of golf balls!

  • @JESHLESS
    @JESHLESS 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love how he stills puts a cool music lol

  • @Portiomos
    @Portiomos 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When you realize you need Super Sonic Mode freaking engage fast wipers ..When you crossed the bridge

  • @Amz_I_am22
    @Amz_I_am22 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Usually, when there is hail, there is a tornado to follow. Yikes ¡!

  • @terry1028
    @terry1028 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The bridge was like platform 9 3/4. Suddenly a magic world turning into a big hella hail storm

  • @motoven
    @motoven 13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The big golfball size hail seems to come down around 4:00. But look at this person's windshield crack at :14, then again at 5:29.
    My fiance & her mom where a few miles ahead of you NIKEAIRJ. Thank God, they got off at Indian School and missed the flooded underpass at Thomas Rd.

  • @PeterGriffinluckythereafamguy
    @PeterGriffinluckythereafamguy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    All of sudden it stops

    • @stephensnell5707
      @stephensnell5707 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes it is all sudden
      Hailstorms can be there one moment and gone 10 minutes after for example

  • @FirebirdCamaro1220
    @FirebirdCamaro1220 12 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I had to drive out to Baghdad, AZ that day for work, was supposed to go all the way to Kingman, but the roads up there were so bad, that I got the OK to turn around and come back, pulled back into Phoenix around 5pm to see the aftermath!! it looked like a warzone!

  • @stephensnell1379
    @stephensnell1379 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    At least the hailstorm clears away before the end of the video

  • @chivasputas
    @chivasputas 13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    omg im sooo glad i decided to park my car in the garage that day

  • @memehave1827
    @memehave1827 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    1:13 at this point, this sound is nothing but eternal hell happening

  • @Portiomos
    @Portiomos 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow you have a very strong windshield

  • @danabeveridge
    @danabeveridge 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One of those days I was very happy to be working from home

  • @worldcooking
    @worldcooking ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Beautiful filming of the road during the rain!

    • @sewwys1uuu
      @sewwys1uuu 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      asmr

  • @yeseniaosorio5569
    @yeseniaosorio5569 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good lord that’s heavy.

  • @aspacecadet
    @aspacecadet 13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow...the pwerful force of nature...kept watching that chip in the windshield crack further

  • @jens_twice
    @jens_twice 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i remember when i was 7 and my mom picked me up after school and it was hailing,im 15 now and still talk about it

    • @stephensnell1379
      @stephensnell1379 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Many people never stop talking about weather events in the past

  • @unclearless
    @unclearless 13 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great footage!

  • @Portiomos
    @Portiomos 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video quality

  • @SyverCyber
    @SyverCyber 13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sunday, 10/31/10. So you are doing the driving - navigating through this storm on the freeway, and also doing the video recording? At the same time? This kind of weather is so unusual for Phoenix that if you were doing both the driving and video recording, I must say, you certainly had your wits about you. It took all of us Phoenicians by surprise. Very unusual weather. Came on suddenly with (3) different episodes during that Tuesday afternoon. Great footage! Thanks for posting!

  • @jewelz6028
    @jewelz6028 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Idk that day was weird. Shit was blown over, I'm thinking a really powerful microburst, derecho or a low grade EF 1 tornado. Shit was crazy all day.

  • @bikemtn
    @bikemtn 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    great video! Glad it didn't break your window!!!

  • @azknightwolf2552
    @azknightwolf2552 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    And this just wasn't one part of the city. Phoenix is pretty spread out and this storm covered the whole damn town.

  • @BellyJae
    @BellyJae 13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good lord!!! And i thought the hail was loud from my apartment!!!! (43rd Ave & Bell)

  • @CeliannaNami
    @CeliannaNami 13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow, I was there when it happened, but I was inside the house, so not as scary as that! I'm glad no one around you seemed to have gotten into a car accident.

  • @airplane564
    @airplane564 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I remember when that storm hit, but I wasn't able to see it since I was on vacation in California and I was bummed that I didn't get to see it

  • @papyleptic
    @papyleptic 13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    great hail storm... & I like ur dashboard!

  • @daddydepxromeo
    @daddydepxromeo 13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    damn i live off the 17, this shit was crazy hella cars got fucked up all over windows in houses all broken , damn first time i ever see it this crazy here in az!!

  • @medianickelodeonvideoedito2020
    @medianickelodeonvideoedito2020 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Oh my God its like a Tornado - 11 April 2018

  • @RandallNoriega
    @RandallNoriega  13 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    @motoven I actually didn't notice it before, but the crack actually grew a bit after the hail. Craziness!

    • @MissStabby
      @MissStabby 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      At least it was not golf to tennis ball size insurance would cost $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

  • @twistedlovere44robloxchann73
    @twistedlovere44robloxchann73 ปีที่แล้ว

    This hailstorm was the part of a tornado outbreak in Arizona that spawned 11 tornadoes including an EF3, this was the costliest hailstorm ever. Caused 5.6 Billion dollars in damage. On October 5-6th 2010.

  • @786Poon
    @786Poon 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Amazing show of Timing in rain, hail and best is saving the deer calf.

  • @dustytrayl
    @dustytrayl 13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ...And there's nowhere to hide and nothing you can do.

  • @chrissyusa9765
    @chrissyusa9765 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So, in the end, how much damage was done to your vehicle?

  • @wheelori814
    @wheelori814 13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    that was some crazy shit! I dont think we got it that bad in tucson, but then again, i was at home that day lol

  • @trefod
    @trefod 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    There is really no reason to have the wipers going apeshit when you're stationary.

  • @Jandro90
    @Jandro90 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I remember this hail storm, I got caught in it at a junkyard on the south side . Me and a friend had to sit in random cars til it went away . Many cars were dinged up after this

  • @paulstecker5693
    @paulstecker5693 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'll agree with your friend. He should have stayed under the overpass. He would have had more protection. Plus it looks like his side windows and windshields all fogged up. He should put his defroster on he could see better. Thank you.

  • @pdutube
    @pdutube 13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That's the power of Biggie Smalls.

  • @dougfairweather
    @dougfairweather 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My goodness, that was "Epic"... Looks like you picked up a tray of ice though! :-)

    • @psychedelicfright85
      @psychedelicfright85 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Doug Fairweather I would have stuck a cup out the window and at least made the best of the situation.

  • @stevedl3150
    @stevedl3150 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    You people over there yonder always get the most exciting of weather.

  • @junbug1love
    @junbug1love 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I remember this1... crazy Monsoon weather that woman is at the end of the summer rare but definitely happens

  • @jacksonhartley9275
    @jacksonhartley9275 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Not windy in this video at all, but in other parts of this exact hail storm, it was windy.

  • @speed10009
    @speed10009 13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    what a storm, Crazy, and in October

  • @wolfhomme
    @wolfhomme 13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    and just like that it stops...silence.

  • @wolfhomme
    @wolfhomme 13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hell Ya. I love the sound of rain. ILOVEMONSOONS!

  • @kjrwhs2003
    @kjrwhs2003 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    it is a full custom one of widebody kit tc with a custom candy teal grean paint job with aur brush work as well from one of the top air brush artists in the states. its also turbocharged as well and he also has custom interior. it has been valued at 30k and is fully insured for the full value. he also has a scion xb that no one will want to fuck with when its done being built.

  • @AlphaHarmonious
    @AlphaHarmonious 13 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    OMG! This is excellent footage of the storms we had here in Phoenix which actually turned into Tornadoes and hit Belmont just west of Flagstaff, AZ. Now, I can show people how bad it really was. I captured video also but it didn't seem all that bad from my angles which I explained to my viewers but it was really really bad.

  • @spiritprofessor
    @spiritprofessor 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I hope there were no hitch hikers that day, damn man!

    • @UniversalBonding
      @UniversalBonding 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      You don't live up that way tho... Why are you reporting this?? Prof. Phil Gil

  • @spanky9067
    @spanky9067 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Stopping under the bridge passed this guy as a good idea.

  • @RandallNoriega
    @RandallNoriega  13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @badlatyn Lol. Nice. Do you own one, too? It's a great truck except for the dashboard cracks!

  • @Tornado63727
    @Tornado63727 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    people in Phoenix still driving around those dinged up cars ...

  • @kevinj4663
    @kevinj4663 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Should have just checked the forecast, pulled to the side and waited it out under that bridge you passed in the beginning. I wouldn't risk the windshield damage...

  • @23thunderstorm
    @23thunderstorm 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    dayummmm.. thats some large hail and it barely did any damage.. except that crack on the center..

  • @RandallNoriega
    @RandallNoriega  13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @siliconsurf Yes. 2 new cracks, and the existing crack got a bit bigger.

  • @Chrisaaad
    @Chrisaaad 13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    that storm was crazy. i was at the 17 and 101 when it hit. thankfully my car wasnt damaged

    • @Richard-ZA01
      @Richard-ZA01 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I was at 40th street and University. Got only rain.

  • @Boy-gamingNN
    @Boy-gamingNN 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I have been looking for this video a year ago😭😭

  • @adelaideautowashes
    @adelaideautowashes 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    0:45 is that a small crack in the windscreen?

  • @gordymuncher4lifebooth9
    @gordymuncher4lifebooth9 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Say goodbye to you're hearing if you are wearing headphones lol

    • @llama_exe2451
      @llama_exe2451 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Gordy Muncher4Life Booth oh I died a long time ago from wearing headphones

  • @WeatherWithJustin
    @WeatherWithJustin 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    How big was the hail?

  • @jacksonhartley9275
    @jacksonhartley9275 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Damage to the inside of the car has been reported at 0:00.

  • @ThatAudiGuy23Aviation777
    @ThatAudiGuy23Aviation777 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If I’m him I will go home very quickly when it started to rain alot

  • @This_tub
    @This_tub 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    so how much was the damage? last year our insurance paid us 10K each car for 2 cars hail damage

    • @RandallNoriega
      @RandallNoriega  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Trump supporter .... I didn't report the damage. 😋

    • @jordanl5064
      @jordanl5064 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Trump supporter cus most Trump supporters can't even afford to fix a simple scratch in their cars lol

  • @nogarage
    @nogarage 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    $30k scion tc??? What is it made of gold?

  • @motoven
    @motoven 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @BlessedONE333returnz oh yeah, that too. I saw a school bus get struck by those power-lines.

  • @wastedtalent09
    @wastedtalent09 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    aww that shit cracked ur windshield!!!!! i live in glendale.... that storm was CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @nallelylral4075
    @nallelylral4075 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    OHMGEEE 😟😬😲😰I LIVE IN AZ IVE BEEN COUGHT BY MONSOONS....BUT I NEVER WANT TO BE COUGHT IN HAIL SOOOO SCARY.

  • @trewalker7057
    @trewalker7057 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Everyone is just stopped like it’s a normal phenomenal

  • @escalade122005
    @escalade122005 13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I Would have been SOOOO mad!!

  • @nogarage
    @nogarage 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    RIP headphone user

    • @stephensnell1379
      @stephensnell1379 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Anyone using their headphones while watching this video the amount of noise would certainly hurt the person's ears somewhat

  • @ejhirschberg
    @ejhirschberg 13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    damn, why wouldnt you have just pulled over when you were under the overpass and stayed there? you wouldnt have had any damage. i was lucky, my end of town didnt get it as bad as glendale and phx did.

  • @angiebramirez
    @angiebramirez ปีที่แล้ว

    How did the windshield didn't break

  • @jewelz6028
    @jewelz6028 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I was stuck in this storm too

  • @22gwill
    @22gwill 13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I see hail a lot in Phoenix but never like this. Usually about pea to dime size but not golf ball to baseball size. It's a good thing everyone on the freeway stopped though.

  • @luzmaryparracanon6021
    @luzmaryparracanon6021 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Oh my god

  • @weathernetwork
    @weathernetwork 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi there. May we have permission to share this content on The Weather Network, our Pelmorex Corp. properties and partners, with onscreen credit to you?

    • @RandallNoriega
      @RandallNoriega  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sure thing. Go ahead! Thanks for asking.

    • @weathernetwork
      @weathernetwork 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RandallNoriega Thank you very much!

  • @jeffreymiddleton9458
    @jeffreymiddleton9458 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    After you saw/heard the hail slamming against your car, why didn't you pull over under bridge?