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You must also consider that Manson may have been an MK-Ultra experiment during his early days of prison. So this, if true, would have given him the groundwork for brainwash.
Remember to keep variety. Some mass murders, a cult, a heist, and then something spectacular, like that girl who remembered her kidnappers dentist. I worry about you sometimes.
Three social taboos not to be spoken outside your closest circle of friends and family: 1. Politics 2. Religion 3. Finances This was taught to me at a young age and I will always remember the lesson.
I’ll remember this in the future lol we talk about all these things. Never goes bad despite several disagreements. Lol even at the big family cook outs we literally argue about it but leave hugging eachother
I've always subscribed to a similar theory, except I swap finances for abortion in position #3. Having come from and still being in a lower income area, everyone know now one has much money so there's no big restriction on taking about it. Though to be honest I consider it merely a general guideline in most of life, and only when at work does it's become an absolute law.
Bruh the first thing people ask about you is what you do for work which already tells them how much you make, these days people walk around with political messages and flags on their shirts, cars and homes, and your religion is pretty guessable based on how you present yourself.
i was gonna say politics, religion and bodily fluids/ functions lol. My mum is a nurse and brings stuff up at the dinner table that you REALLY do not need to hear whilst trying to eat
Simon: I'm not interested in manipulating masses of people. Also Simon: Creates an EMPIRE of podcasts and youtube channels.... Hmmmm.... I blame the beard.
@@bannankev The beard even has its own cult. It started as a small, local, participant driven self-help group for facial hair, but soon it went on to increasingly more conspiracy theory focused and polarizing narratives. From there it just escalated, and became radicalized and enamored with its own, self promotional message; No more invitations of the Backside Crevice Follicles Motivational Speakers to do guest appearances on the No Brush 4 You Awareness Night. No. From then onwards, everything centered around pomade discipline, mandatory think stroking, and late night RMT(s)T - Re-educational Moustache Twirling (smugness) Training - oftentimes going on until early morning when started all over again. As all outside contact was cut off and clean shaven, things soon came to the head. Though the Beard still - to this day - denies any and all culpability, outside watch groups, defectors and whistleblowers has all along recognized, and reported on, the Beard as the sole perpetrator and willful instigator in the gruesome - and tragic - murder of The Hair. [N.B. Current sightings by trusted sources reports on the Beard to be flourishing, freely roaming the lower areas of the Whistler Visage. --E.d.]
To keep with the theme of cult leaders, you should definitely cover Jim Jones. Very interesting in how he was able to manipulate hundreds of people into abandoning their loved ones and going into another country.
He manipulated people to leave their loved ones...oh and also to MURDER their own children and spouses and then kill themselves so yeah, I'd say he was pretty influential.
Personally I think that Joel olstein guy is definitely a cult leader. He just gives me the creeps. My mom and I argued about until I pointed out how he lives in a mansion but you never hear a word about him actually helping people. Thank God she stopped listening to him. ....well me watching a bunch of documentaries on cult may have helped...
You're misunderstanding the "crossing state lines for the intent of prostitution" thing. You can cross state lines to visit a prostitute without violating federal law; what you cannot legally do is bring a woman with you across state lines with the intent to prostitute her. Or bring your wife across state lines, if you're black and she's white, as the boxing legend Jack Johnson learned. The law was deeply racist both in conception and, sometimes, execution, but the idea was to combat human trafficking.
No crossing state lines while commiting a crime (transporting women, children...). It allows the use of Federal laws bc it's now breaking the laws of more than one state so it goes to the next (federal) level...
Surely “the most dangerous cult leader” would be Jim Jones ? Or Thug Behram ? Or in a different vein Shoko Asahara or the Heaven’s gate duo ? Would like to see your take on these guys (in the Criminalist podcast).
Asahara isn't really murican. But jeah i always wonder why people make such a big thing out of that little manchild. He is just a really wacky weirdo and happened to stumble over 5 1/2 even dumber weirdos who followed his bs.
@@davecannabis You feel better now? Did you move Trump around in your head without bumping into anything? What am I saying, of course not! Has to be something to bump. It’s alright, dear he’s all settled again. Carry on.
They left out a lot, and he used a lot of stuff from Bugliosi's book, which is chock full of inconsistencies and outright lies. Not that I'm defending Manson, but if you're going to do a video on a topic...research it *thoroughly!!!*
Having lived through both the 60s and 70s, and still being around for the current sh*tshow, the 60/70s were a walk in the park. Mostly, I see my generation as a massive failure. Manson was not a representative of us, but he sure knew how to exploit us. I think we had so much potential to change things for the better, but somewhere along the line, we sold out.
No…I still have a little corner of my being that holds onto her hippie-ness. And I raised an amazing socially conscious child so I don’t feel I’ve failed at all
hum and i think your generation was the closest one near actual worldwide social behaviour we ever had and most likely ever will have. Don't be too sad about the screw up part.
I think our generation may have been the worst that our country ever produced , much of the things wrong in our country today had its roots in sixties . As for the sixties itself , its like the book Tale of two cities , it was the best of times , it was the worst of times
it`s all part of the swings and round abouts it always swings too far back but it`s coming back around and one of these decades it will hold! thank you for laying out the original blueprints to work and learn from!
a "space cadet" is someone who is "out to lunch", ditsy, or "out of their mind". My dad uses the term - usually to describe a naïve young person who doesn't have a grip on the real world and makes silly mistakes
My grandmother was once contacted by one of the attorneys involved in the Manson family trial due to the fact that she shared the name of one of the women, she apparently talked with him before realizing he was thinking about a completely different (crazy) woman. I loved this episode and and the time of writing this am only 37 mins in, but I hope to see that there is at least a mention of the potential involvement between Manson and the CIA because it’s pretty interesting. I’ve been listing to the show for a while now and really enjoy it, keep up the good work!
@The Casual Criminalist : Simon, what they are referring to with visiting prostitutes across state lines is the Mann Act of 1910. The act made it a felony to engage in "interstate or foreign commerce transport of "any woman or girl for the purpose of prostitution or debauchery, or for any other immoral purpose". It was an early and ineffective attempt at curbing human trafficking. In reality, it was used to jail men when they eloped with a consenting woman. One of the more famous people jailed because of it was the black boxer, Jack Johnson, who married a white woman and took her across state lines. He would be a great subject or Biographics.
Although it should be added that in Charles Manson's case it was likely with the intention of prostitution, as the women involved had previously been arrested for prostitution.
@@anyawillowfan it was definitely for the purpose of prostitution. He was a known pimp at the time, and had other minor convictions relating to selling sex.
I violated the Mann Act many a times when I took my girlfriend across state lines to go to the beach and have carnal relations. Ah, good times, good times.
I misheard him when he said Manson's mom sold him. I heard "she sold him for a *picture* of beer" and though wow that must be a really good picture to sell your kid for it, I wanna see it. And then several minutes later, realized he said *pitcher* of beer, and haven't felt that dumb in a WHILE 😳
I'd be interested in seeing a video on Tsutomu Miyazaki... And I'll also suggest following it up with the Antwerp diamond heist for the sake of Simon's mental health.
I really hope you see this another cult I would love to see you cover if you haven’t already is the Aum Shinrikyo they are like the most evil crazy cult in Japanese history and don’t get talked about enough.
Simon did a biographics video on Shoko Asahara a few years ago! But I agree it would be nice to see him cover the cult in more detail on the casual criminalist
@@rielwhittle846 ya I just think this Chanel would be perfect for a more in-depth Analysis like there’s so much to cover including the anime the cult maid
I remember reading somewhere that Manson or one of his followers implicitly threatened a judge by stating the judge's home address in court. And that time Manson actually climbed on top of the defendant table jumped and tried to lunge and stab the judge with a pencil. Imagine if we had trials with criminals as overtly crazy and confrontational as that now.
I don't see how anyone can fall for this. They'd never killed before. But the husband movie maker had killed before. He's sacrificed before. That man didn't want kids, or Sharon Tate had an affair and the kid wasn't her husband's. So husband makes plans to leave country but before he leaves he and he's corrupt cops plot to set up the Manson Family.
I'm reading your comment a year later, late October 2023, and we *do* have a crazy confrontational defendant giving out names and addresses of court personnel and witnesses with bad intent...but I don't think he's physically capable of leaping across a table to attack the judge.
@@retriever19golden55 but we had a defendant leaping over the table and over the judicial bench to attack the judge some weeks ago now. He got his sentence a day later though and some new charges for attacking the judge, clerk and bailiffs on top. (Iirc he choked the judge and hit her on the head.. I think it was the court clerk that came to her rescue fastest after the bailiff missed the defendant by a hair when he supermanned over the bench. And they had to pull him off with like three or four people... He got packaged real tight with around 8? big buff officers for when his sentencing resumed the next day.)
I LOVE listening to these episodes while working on my art. Though my fiance is starting to get concerned because I can't help but burst out laughing at the commentary bits, and then telling him the whole gory story so far. 😂 My favorite so far was the Australian female Hanibal Lector episode.
Glad someone else also likes listening while doing art (agree the more intense ones somehow more motivating?) But all are great to draw to haha (the longer the better)
Omg I sometimes think i look crazy cuz I've got my earbuds in looking serious as i work and listen to some gruesome story.. and then I'll randomly burst out laughing for no apparent reason or context 😂
My mom and dad went to a Scientology seminar under the guise as something else too. They also were like... Uh... Nope this is fake haha but they hounded my parents for YEARS after. Sending letters and calling.. they don't ever stop lmfao 😆
While researching the McCoy family tree last year to learn more about my mom's side of family and the famous feud we are connected to I discovered that Charles Manson was also a part of our family tree. His mother was born in Kentucky near land still owned by my family. Not exactly the information I was hoping to find.
@@Maven0666 I say something about a man in his 30’s or 40’s who looks very like Manson and is possibly one of his sons. But he doesn’t want the DNA test to know. Which I would say is a win that he is not his father. So good for him.
I follow all of your TH-cam channels. I've never enjoyed listening to someone discuss such a wide array of topics before. No matter the topic, you make it interesting and keep me coming back. Sometimes, I have to watch more than once to catch it all and it's still interesting on repeat. Well done sir!
Oooh! I've been waiting for this one! My great uncle was known as Blackbeard Charlie and was one of his neighbors and has some stories... he's brought up in some of the books.
Charismatic people seem a helluva lot more convincing when the people they are talking to are high af on acid, I would imagine. First time I dropped I forgot how to cross the street and got lost in my home town. I can see how the gross brutality was especially jarring at the end of a decade devoted to peace, love, and lsd. RIP to the victims
One interesting bit of further trivia is that the judge who presided over the Manson trial, Charles Older, had been one of the top three high scoring aces with the American Volunteer Group (AVG), also known as the "Flying Tigers", during WWII.
Simon, Manson later altered the X into a swastika. A space cadet is someone who isn't all there, mentally. And it was the US Supreme Court who overturned the death penalty, it was reinstated by another ruling a few years later. The death penalty still exists in California, though the current governor has put a moratorium on executions. These days it's very rare that anyone gets the death penalty and even rarer for the sentence to be carried out.
Unless you’re Texas. Since the death penalty was federally reinstated the lone star state has executed 567 people. More than 5x the number of the next highest state, Virginia. Including 9 of 21 total in 2019, and 13/26 total in 2018.
It was a good show! Simon's tone isn't the neutral, newsreader tone that just talks about these in a matter of fact way. He experiences the story with the listener. Makes a huge difference. It's a more human approach to a violently horrific crime.
If you do the David Berkowitz aka "The Son of Sam" case, my mother was court reporter in his Grand Jury appearance. She was also in the Courthouse the day he attempt to escape.
Sure it's a story thats been told before but I'm glad your covering these more famous cases. Keep it up Simon! I would love if you covered Albert Fish in more detail. I had never heard of him until the Biographics video, that one stuck with me. So bloody creepy!
Just a minor correction... March on Washington, I believe is what your writer meant. It took place in the 1960's. Whereas, The Million Man March took place in 1995.
3:40 "As we'll find out, he [Charles Manson] was a dick." Simon Whistler seems like a tremendously agreeable person. If he calls you a dick, you probably messed up.
Yes, the 60s were not the flower-power love-in it's often thought to be. Assassinations, extremely violent and destructive riots, rampant harmful drug use. A loooong, miserable war which only ended for us, as when the US withdrew, Vietnamese and Cambodians went through years of death, starvation, prison, and for the lucky, refugee camps. I had a friend whose husband had an organizational role on the occupation of Alcatraz. I knew Gary Hinman's parents; sad, quiet pair. But we had the Beatles. It's never been better than that.
There's a rule that forbids talking about politics at the dinner table, but in my opinion, only people who aren't mature enough to keep their emotions in check during such discussions should follow that rule.
(I’ll also add that people who aren’t mature enough to keep their emotions is check certainly don’t KNOW they aren’t mature enough… so they won’t abstain 😉)
Oh, now I'm surprised 😶 I thought this subject would never come. But I'm happy because it's nice to hear this from the point of view of Simons extremely talented writers 👍
FYI: The FBI has jurisdiction over all kidnapping cases. Though, depending on the facts, the case may be prosecuted at the state and local levels rather than federal court.
Well, I missed this one months ago and was going to listen to it to go to sleep, but Jen’s editing keeps cracking me up, so I guess I’m just watching it then not playing another episode so I can sleep (thanks a lot Jen 😂)
I really wish u could do an episode on Scientology. I know that’s almost definitely not possible cuz they get so crazy when people say stuff about them, but I literally know nothing about them and would love one of the writers and Simons take on it.
This is my go to podcast while trudging away at work mid-week. It would be a gas to do a random episode about people who’ve committed a good deed. Imagine if you threw in an act of kindness in-between the murders. That would be a good laugh!
LISK is one of those cases that seems like it should be solved by now. So strange. Wickedly interesting back stories with the LE and the residents of that beach community.
I'm happy you're doing some of the more well known ones, cause this is the only true crime show I watch and even people like Manson I only vaguely know by name
I have ADD. (ADHD without the hyper and impulsive bit, for those who don't know.) Simon is so thoroughly entertaining that I rarely zone out when I watch his videos, and especially The Casual Criminalist. He should cold read everything! 😁👍
I've really been enjoying the contributions from all the new writers, but I hope we haven't seen the last of Callum Howe. More specific to this episode, I watched it immediately after Decoding the Unknown's new video about Marilyn Monroe, and as someone very familiar with both cases, I learned something new about both, so kudos to both writers for their excellent research. If you're still looking for more suggestions for this channel, as a Canadian I have to single out Clifford Robert Olson again... I may have mentioned him in a comment on your video about Robert Pickton. I still have yet to watch your Ed Gein video because of your content warning and my own familiarity with the case... it might be a thing to put on audio in one tab while I watch video-only TH-cam LEGO builds in another. Still the best true crime channel on TH-cam.
If you see this I love seeing you cover this stuff. I don't watch it for the info as much as I do you. I can get this info anywhere but having a fun personality attached makes me want to binge all the channels
A fellow orchid keeper! I only recently got my first last year, and not long after another 2. They’re all currently opening their buds. So gratifying to see your love and care be rewarded with a bloom show. Do you have any photos of them you’d be willing to share?
I've worked for a domestic violence shelter for over a decade, and we see a lot of families where all or almost all of the kids are named after the abusive father, including the daughters. When it's just one kid named after the father or maybe even two, it's not necessarily all that remarkable, but when it's three kids or four kids or five kids all named after the father, it's a pattern. Are there non-abusive parents who name their kids after themselves? Sure. But it's a really common thing that abusers do.
I was just a kid, but the 60's was the decade that changed the world. Technology and the space race set up everything going on today. Music changed. Social climate changed in a major way. Drugs came to the forefront and changed social standards and laws. Vietnam changed how we view government. Anyone born after the 60's most likely doesn't understand that this was the most important decade there ever was short of the 1770's.
I feel like the 1840’s-60’s were also fairly important in shaping the nation. Between the gold rush helping to expedite western expansion, the widespread elimination of native tribes and their lands, and the outlaw of slavery.
i have heard the name and reputation all my life life without actually knowing anything about this guy or "the family" so thank you simon for covering this. i personally have never understood what anyone ever saw in him becuse one look at his eyes from any photo i have ever seen just screamed psychopath to me.
My mom lived near Hollywood for about a year when she was nineteen. She worked as an assistant for the producer of a soap opera and cared for her kids. The house she lived in was across the street from where Sharon Tate was killed.
wait... i thought sharon was captured and later succumbed to stockholm syndrome, which was such a new idea that she was convicted of several murders herself. have i got the name mixed up? the gaps in my memory after having a stroke are rather weird
To Chris or any of Simon’s other riders locked in the basement, could you write a casual criminalist about another crazy cult leader that Simon did a biographics about, Shoko Asahara
Brilliant suggestion Tangent Boi! The optimal way to find out more about Yourself, is to talk with Other people about Their life experiences. Best of health to you and your family Simon.
Massively disappointed that Chris ignored maybe the biggest book that came out about Manson: Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties, by Tom O’Neill Granted it’s a thick read but the opening chapter alone which covers an actual conversation he had with the lead prosecutor on the case signals that we don’t have the full story. And I know it sounds like some “conspiracy theory” but Tom didn’t spend 20 years of his life looking through official documents from the LAPD, FBI, and CIA not to mention interviewing dozens of contemporary witnesses for nothing. It’s a good read if you like this topic.
Heya Nathan - Chris here : author for this episode. I’m so sorry I didn’t cover Chaos - there was just way too much to cover. I focused on social history as it’s so frequently ignored, and is (IMO) most helpful to understanding Manson as a historical actor. I hope you weren’t too unhappy with the angle I ended up choosing… I’d have loved to get into the questions O’Neil raised. I don’t dismiss Chaos as a “conspiracy theory” either :) Thanks also for bringing it up! I meant to list recommended reading in Dismembered Appendices, but I clean forgot…
@@tongboy187 As I said, Chaos is a thick read so I didn't expect a full rundown. At most, I expected at least a little section like "Is this the full story?" or something like that.
@@SEAZNDragon Except it's not a conspiracy theory. The author himself went out of his way to NOT make it so, leaving out a lot of sources that he couldn't vet. If he wanted to make money, he wouldn't have spent 20 years making this book.
There's so many conspiracies involving Manson. MK-Ultra was going on at the time and it was rumored that Manson was a victim of their experiments as they used to use prisoners. Manson also kept breaking parole and when he was arrested again and again, the police were told to let him go from higher ups. There was also an occultist group from the UK that moved to California that did animal sacrifices and knew Manson. Hundreds of animal remains were found buried on the ranch, that group now runs an animal rescue to this day. A member from the Manson family said in a live interview that Charles wanted to start kidnapping children and brain wash/traffic them.
I saw this one doc where it basically said that while Manson said the helter skelter thing, the actual reason for the murders was to cover up a previous drug related murder by one of their family while simultaneously getting petty vengeance on some people (like the beach boy who stole Manson's song). The helter skelter thing was pushed hard by the prosecuters because they needed to make it a solid 'conspiracy' to make sure Mansion got the same verdict the others did for directing the murders.
I love that this a is a podcast, but I'm too afraid of missing the amazing editing and Simon's reactions too just listen! Ah well, I guess I'll just have to keep watching! Be sure to subscribe!
Great job on the podcast, entertaining, sincere and true to it's name far more casual than most crime podcasts. QUESTION: Would you be able to do a podcast on the Dacer-Corbito double murder case, I'm currently living in the Philippines and this came up in relation to one of the presidential candidates, doesn't seem to be much about it on my brief Wikipedia search.
I kinda like these newer ones about the more famous killers/criminals, it's interesting to hear Simon talk about them in a more laid back and casual way rather than the biographics videos (which are good in their own right)
Could you do Elizabeth Bathory in the future? I know you did her on Biographics, but that episode did not touch on a number of items in history related to her.
Well done to Chris for this episode 👏 job well done 👍 but I absolutely have to ask, where is Callum? 🤔 He's not been writing your CC scripts for so long now
You should do a video on the Ant Hill Kids! There isn't much coverage about it and it comes to my mind every time I think about Manson or the Jonestown Massacre, but so few people have actually heard of it. It's pretty dark so you might want to do another heist video before covering it, but it's a thought, hahaha
I am actually so happy that Simon is doing some of the more well-known true crime, like Ed Gein and Charles Manson. I've been wanting him to do some of these since he started this podcast. I've obviously already heard the story and the facts of the case multiple times. But I've always wanted to see how Casual Criminalist would do these stories. I come for the well researched scripts and the deep dives just as much as I come for the unique take Casual Criminalist always has, the long rambling stories, and for Simon to call me a degenerate.
I met Bill Clinton briefly when he was governor of Arkansas. He attended the commencement event for the 1986 “Governor’s School” summer program, which I was attending. Even as a Junior in high school, I wasn’t a supporter, but the charisma was apparent to me even in that very brief conversation.
Watson was a 19yo football star that was his own special kind of crazy. Charlie knew it & used him as the muscle. Linda Kasabian, the "family member" that testified against them all (she was Tex' gf and the getaway driver for both sets of murders) has come out of hiding after 40yrs and they did a documentary of her interviews. It the first time she's spoken since the trial. She was with the family for 4wks before the murders happened.
It started as an X or cross but he later added to it to get the swastika. If you haven't watched the 1976 Helter Skelter, you definitely should check it out. It has some good original interviews and is based on the book Helter Skelter, written by Vincent Bugliosi, who was the DA who tried the cases. The book is also very interesting and decently written. I caught the "movie" on cable when I was about 12 and read the book shortly after. It's pretty thorough.
10:10 While there's definitely overlap with political identification, I genuinely believe one of the greatest problems in current politics is people identifying with/as their economic ideologies. People treat their capitalism/Marxism/anything in between or beyond as if they're religions. Religion is the source of its own set of problems, but at least religious people are motivated by how they expect to spend eternity. Meanwhile, we know money is fake, we know we made it up, and we know you can't take it with you. Why does it matter SO MUCH that some people insist we can't try different ideas in different situations?? (Also, the third thing is sex.)
Money is fake? As someone with a job, home, multiple vehicles, and various other toys, I disagree. But hey if you wanna “unburden” yourself of all that colorful paper in your bank account I’ll slide you my details and you can transfer it over to me. I’ll gladly take that evil stuff right off your hands. Call it “community service”. I’m doing you a favor right? You have no need for that meaningless crap anyway.
@@richardtherichard26 It's a social construct. Take any old pre-Euro money and try to spend it in its country of origin. You can't, you can't even exchange them for Euros anymore except to sell them to collectors or maybe for whatever the metal is valued at. Those bits of paper and metal only ever had value because people agreed they did, but then people agreed that they didn't. Even if you want to talk purely about "value" independent of currency, that is also a social construct. Gold was just a shiny yellow metal for billions of years before humans came along. And in places where it was particularly abundant, like in South America, it played no role in their economy. Abundance and scarcity are real, but even the way value is calculated for any given good or service, _by capitalism's own definition_ , is entirely determined by how much of their bits of paper and metal humans are willing to give up for it. Humans give these things value, and those values can vary wildly around the globe. We made it up.
Something else that ended the 60s was The Rolling Stones concert that used the Hell's Angels as security. Shit got WAAYYY out of hand real fast. Life tip: don't use the MOST infamous biker gang to have and will ever exist on planet earth as security for your events. OR☝🏼, any biker gang for that matter. Maybe hire people that don't kill people on a semi regular basis?🤷🏼♀️ You guys should do a video on that and the lasting effects.
Yeah. My aunt was there.I never heard what happened. Not much was written crystal clearly about it either. She has Alzheimer’s now and she can’t tell me anymore.
Simon: welcome to the new writer Me: well, that basement is getting crowded... Simon: this past decade wasn't too crazy, not Vietnam or things like that Me, watching in March 2022 after three weeks of war in Ukraine : 😶
Thank you so much for doing these! I have only a passing familiarity with some of these big names and some I have no idea what they did. You guys, gals, and non-binary pals 😉 all do such a great job covering everything so thoroughly. I really appreciate all this hard work and effort!
As stated in previous comments, you’re not allowed to bring other people across state lines with intent to prostitute THEM. You can go across state lines for sex all YOU want, especially in Nevada, where certain forms of prostitution are legal. But you can’t take someone across state lines and make them have sex, with you or others, as this is a form of Human Trafficking. Also, my dad went to school with the sister of Sharon Tate. He remembers when it happened, and how shaken the entire community was. Pretty crazy times
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You must also consider that Manson may have been an MK-Ultra experiment during his early days of prison. So this, if true, would have given him the groundwork for brainwash.
I would pay to watch Simon react to Tarantino's "Once Upon a Time in Hollywood..."
Remember to keep variety. Some mass murders, a cult, a heist, and then something spectacular, like that girl who remembered her kidnappers dentist.
I worry about you sometimes.
I’m really looking forward to this. I love your opinions!
@@theOneOnlyTed like a variety hour! I always knew Simon reminded me of a game show host on here.
I *LOVE* Jen’s sense of humour thrown in with her editing.
She’s awesome.
Was this Jen? This one is REALLY well done!
@@Amlaeuxrai apologies, I wasn't awake enough and misread the comment
Three social taboos not to be spoken outside your closest circle of friends and family:
1. Politics
2. Religion
3. Finances
This was taught to me at a young age and I will always remember the lesson.
I’ll remember this in the future lol we talk about all these things. Never goes bad despite several disagreements. Lol even at the big family cook outs we literally argue about it but leave hugging eachother
I've always subscribed to a similar theory, except I swap finances for abortion in position #3. Having come from and still being in a lower income area, everyone know now one has much money so there's no big restriction on taking about it.
Though to be honest I consider it merely a general guideline in most of life, and only when at work does it's become an absolute law.
Bruh the first thing people ask about you is what you do for work which already tells them how much you make, these days people walk around with political messages and flags on their shirts, cars and homes, and your religion is pretty guessable based on how you present yourself.
i was gonna say politics, religion and bodily fluids/ functions lol. My mum is a nurse and brings stuff up at the dinner table that you REALLY do not need to hear whilst trying to eat
@@b4tman_and_Rob1nyeah I imagine it places a damper on your meal if someone mentions a bedpan or something similar ☠️
Simon: I'm not interested in manipulating masses of people.
Also Simon: Creates an EMPIRE of podcasts and youtube channels....
Hmmmm.... I blame the beard.
I blame the sarcastic English humour.
I blame the early hairloss
The beard even has its own oils… 👀
Does he work in a FACTory?
@@bannankev The beard even has its own cult. It started as a small, local, participant driven self-help group for facial hair, but soon it went on to increasingly more conspiracy theory focused and polarizing narratives. From there it just escalated, and became radicalized and enamored with its own, self promotional message; No more invitations of the Backside Crevice Follicles Motivational Speakers to do guest appearances on the No Brush 4 You Awareness Night. No. From then onwards, everything centered around pomade discipline, mandatory think stroking, and late night RMT(s)T - Re-educational Moustache Twirling (smugness) Training - oftentimes going on until early morning when started all over again. As all outside contact was cut off and clean shaven, things soon came to the head. Though the Beard still - to this day - denies any and all culpability, outside watch groups, defectors and whistleblowers has all along recognized, and reported on, the Beard as the sole perpetrator and willful instigator in the gruesome - and tragic - murder of The Hair.
[N.B. Current sightings by trusted sources reports on the Beard to be flourishing, freely roaming the lower areas of the Whistler Visage. --E.d.]
To keep with the theme of cult leaders, you should definitely cover Jim Jones. Very interesting in how he was able to manipulate hundreds of people into abandoning their loved ones and going into another country.
I feel like some people might like this these days.
He manipulated people to leave their loved ones...oh and also to MURDER their own children and spouses and then kill themselves so yeah, I'd say he was pretty influential.
They had already abandoned their families. That was the point. The cult WAS the family
Personally I think that Joel olstein guy is definitely a cult leader. He just gives me the creeps. My mom and I argued about until I pointed out how he lives in a mansion but you never hear a word about him actually helping people. Thank God she stopped listening to him. ....well me watching a bunch of documentaries on cult may have helped...
You're misunderstanding the "crossing state lines for the intent of prostitution" thing. You can cross state lines to visit a prostitute without violating federal law; what you cannot legally do is bring a woman with you across state lines with the intent to prostitute her. Or bring your wife across state lines, if you're black and she's white, as the boxing legend Jack Johnson learned. The law was deeply racist both in conception and, sometimes, execution, but the idea was to combat human trafficking.
The Mann Act, colloquially known as “The White Slavery Act”.
No crossing state lines while commiting a crime (transporting women, children...). It allows the use of Federal laws bc it's now breaking the laws of more than one state so it goes to the next (federal) level...
Mr. Millett is correct. To violate the Mann Act, one must “take the crime” (here, the prostitute, woman, child) across state lines.
Simon glosses over alot of details. Thank you for clarifying
It's one of the laws that soon-to-be-former congressman Matt Gaetz of FL is being investigated for.
Surely “the most dangerous cult leader” would be Jim Jones ? Or Thug Behram ? Or in a different vein Shoko Asahara or the Heaven’s gate duo ? Would like to see your take on these guys (in the Criminalist podcast).
i would put Trump as most dangerous cult leader, he almost stole a whole country for his cult
@@davecannabis bs
Asahara isn't really murican. But jeah i always wonder why people make such a big thing out of that little manchild. He is just a really wacky weirdo and happened to stumble over 5 1/2 even dumber weirdos who followed his bs.
Jim Jones takes the crown
@@davecannabis You feel better now? Did you move Trump around in your head without bumping into anything? What am I saying, of course not! Has to be something to bump. It’s alright, dear he’s all settled again. Carry on.
I have never so faithfully waited for a podcast every week. Havent missed a single one. Absolutely fantastic work everyone!!
Couldn’t have said it better!
They left out a lot, and he used a lot of stuff from Bugliosi's book, which is chock full of inconsistencies and outright lies. Not that I'm defending Manson, but if you're going to do a video on a topic...research it *thoroughly!!!*
@@iamnotpaulavery you are so off
Read Tom O’Neill’s book Chaos
Having lived through both the 60s and 70s, and still being around for the current sh*tshow, the 60/70s were a walk in the park. Mostly, I see my generation as a massive failure. Manson was not a representative of us, but he sure knew how to exploit us. I think we had so much potential to change things for the better, but somewhere along the line, we sold out.
No…I still have a little corner of my being that holds onto her hippie-ness. And I raised an amazing socially conscious child so I don’t feel I’ve failed at all
hum and i think your generation was the closest one near actual worldwide social behaviour we ever had and most likely ever will have. Don't be too sad about the screw up part.
I think our generation may have been the worst that our country ever produced , much of the things wrong in our country today had its roots in sixties . As for the sixties itself , its like the book Tale of two cities , it was the best of times , it was the worst of times
don't feel bad us young-uns are still doing it
it`s all part of the swings and round abouts it always swings too far back but it`s coming back around and one of these decades it will hold! thank you for laying out the original blueprints to work and learn from!
So thrilled for another new Casual Criminalist episode! Thank you Simon!
a "space cadet" is someone who is "out to lunch", ditsy, or "out of their mind". My dad uses the term - usually to describe a naïve young person who doesn't have a grip on the real world and makes silly mistakes
Ahh, so me
Oh.....so that's what Shaggy meant in Scooby-Doo....I thought it meant a brown noser
My grandmother was once contacted by one of the attorneys involved in the Manson family trial due to the fact that she shared the name of one of the women, she apparently talked with him before realizing he was thinking about a completely different (crazy) woman. I loved this episode and and the time of writing this am only 37 mins in, but I hope to see that there is at least a mention of the potential involvement between Manson and the CIA because it’s pretty interesting. I’ve been listing to the show for a while now and really enjoy it, keep up the good work!
@The Casual Criminalist : Simon, what they are referring to with visiting prostitutes across state lines is the Mann Act of 1910. The act made it a felony to engage in "interstate or foreign commerce transport of "any woman or girl for the purpose of prostitution or debauchery, or for any other immoral purpose". It was an early and ineffective attempt at curbing human trafficking. In reality, it was used to jail men when they eloped with a consenting woman. One of the more famous people jailed because of it was the black boxer, Jack Johnson, who married a white woman and took her across state lines. He would be a great subject or Biographics.
👍 thanks
Although it should be added that in Charles Manson's case it was likely with the intention of prostitution, as the women involved had previously been arrested for prostitution.
@@anyawillowfan it was definitely for the purpose of prostitution. He was a known pimp at the time, and had other minor convictions relating to selling sex.
I violated the Mann Act many a times when I took my girlfriend across state lines to go to the beach and have carnal relations. Ah, good times, good times.
@@iamnolegend483 Only if she was underage (and you weren't).
I misheard him when he said Manson's mom sold him. I heard "she sold him for a *picture* of beer" and though wow that must be a really good picture to sell your kid for it, I wanna see it. And then several minutes later, realized he said *pitcher* of beer, and haven't felt that dumb in a WHILE 😳
I feel slightly better knowing I wasn't the only one to mishear that line
I heard that too, sort of reframes the whole scenario doesn't it
That must be some good beer
I’m newer to this channel and have to say, those listening as podcast are missing out! Jen’s additions in the editing are absolutely 🧑🍳💋
I'd be interested in seeing a video on Tsutomu Miyazaki...
And I'll also suggest following it up with the Antwerp diamond heist for the sake of Simon's mental health.
I do value our fact boi’s mental health breaks, if only so he can then tackle an ultra violent episode without breaking down.
Jen, I just wanted to say thank you for all the hard work you do to bring this show together :)
I really hope you see this another cult I would love to see you cover if you haven’t already is the Aum Shinrikyo they are like the most evil crazy cult in Japanese history and don’t get talked about enough.
Yes! That would be quite educational. I never heard of that one.
Yes, please!!
@CRAM MARC ya they also beheaded a news reporter if I’m not wrong and his family including his kid and spread their body parts across the country.
Simon did a biographics video on Shoko Asahara a few years ago! But I agree it would be nice to see him cover the cult in more detail on the casual criminalist
@@rielwhittle846 ya I just think this Chanel would be perfect for a more in-depth Analysis like there’s so much to cover including the anime the cult maid
I remember reading somewhere that Manson or one of his followers implicitly threatened a judge by stating the judge's home address in court. And that time Manson actually climbed on top of the defendant table jumped and tried to lunge and stab the judge with a pencil. Imagine if we had trials with criminals as overtly crazy and confrontational as that now.
I don't see how anyone
can fall for this. They'd
never killed before. But
the husband movie maker
had killed before. He's
sacrificed before. That
man didn't want kids,
or Sharon Tate had an
affair and the kid wasn't
her husband's. So husband
makes plans to leave
country but before he
leaves he and he's corrupt
cops plot to set up the
Manson Family.
I'm reading your comment a year later, late October 2023, and we *do* have a crazy confrontational defendant giving out names and addresses of court personnel and witnesses with bad intent...but I don't think he's physically capable of leaping across a table to attack the judge.
@@retriever19golden55 but we had a defendant leaping over the table and over the judicial bench to attack the judge some weeks ago now. He got his sentence a day later though and some new charges for attacking the judge, clerk and bailiffs on top. (Iirc he choked the judge and hit her on the head.. I think it was the court clerk that came to her rescue fastest after the bailiff missed the defendant by a hair when he supermanned over the bench. And they had to pull him off with like three or four people... He got packaged real tight with around 8? big buff officers for when his sentencing resumed the next day.)
I LOVE listening to these episodes while working on my art. Though my fiance is starting to get concerned because I can't help but burst out laughing at the commentary bits, and then telling him the whole gory story so far. 😂 My favorite so far was the Australian female Hanibal Lector episode.
Glad someone else also likes listening while doing art (agree the more intense ones somehow more motivating?) But all are great to draw to haha (the longer the better)
Omg I sometimes think i look crazy cuz I've got my earbuds in looking serious as i work and listen to some gruesome story.. and then I'll randomly burst out laughing for no apparent reason or context 😂
My mom and dad went to a Scientology seminar under the guise as something else too. They also were like... Uh... Nope this is fake haha but they hounded my parents for YEARS after. Sending letters and calling.. they don't ever stop lmfao 😆
I thought Scientologists only target the famous and rich?
While researching the McCoy family tree last year to learn more about my mom's side of family and the famous feud we are connected to I discovered that Charles Manson was also a part of our family tree. His mother was born in Kentucky near land still owned by my family. Not exactly the information I was hoping to find.
It could always be worse.
@@Maven0666 I say something about a man in his 30’s or 40’s who looks very like Manson and is possibly one of his sons. But he doesn’t want the DNA test to know. Which I would say is a win that he is not his father. So good for him.
Welcome to the my ancestors were freaking insane club
* Is herself related to Andrew Jackson the most insane of the US presidents *
😬
Hey, it's not all for loss. One of your descendents might turn out to be "Bones", who is a doctor, not a psychopath.
I'll walk myself out now...
I follow all of your TH-cam channels. I've never enjoyed listening to someone discuss such a wide array of topics before. No matter the topic, you make it interesting and keep me coming back. Sometimes, I have to watch more than once to catch it all and it's still interesting on repeat. Well done sir!
Oooh! I've been waiting for this one!
My great uncle was known as Blackbeard Charlie and was one of his neighbors and has some stories... he's brought up in some of the books.
😳
I am not sure what I look forward to the most, the brilliant content or your tangents! Either way love the show.
I loved your Ed Gein episode, so this is bound to be good!
Charismatic people seem a helluva lot more convincing when the people they are talking to are high af on acid, I would imagine. First time I dropped I forgot how to cross the street and got lost in my home town. I can see how the gross brutality was especially jarring at the end of a decade devoted to peace, love, and lsd. RIP to the victims
I would love to see Roman Polanski covered on the casual criminalist
One interesting bit of further trivia is that the judge who presided over the Manson trial, Charles Older, had been one of the top three high scoring aces with the American Volunteer Group (AVG), also known as the "Flying Tigers", during WWII.
Simon, Manson later altered the X into a swastika. A space cadet is someone who isn't all there, mentally. And it was the US Supreme Court who overturned the death penalty, it was reinstated by another ruling a few years later. The death penalty still exists in California, though the current governor has put a moratorium on executions. These days it's very rare that anyone gets the death penalty and even rarer for the sentence to be carried out.
Unless you’re Texas. Since the death penalty was federally reinstated the lone star state has executed 567 people. More than 5x the number of the next highest state, Virginia. Including 9 of 21 total in 2019, and 13/26 total in 2018.
@@richardtherichard26 thank heaven someone still takes it seriously.
Jenn, Your edit of Simon's
Elon Musk/Steve Jobs
Politicians/Cult Leaders
digressional-tangent was TOO Funny!
Your Best yet.......
Thank You.
my entire YT feed consists of Simon's Channels and i love it
It was a good show! Simon's tone isn't the neutral, newsreader tone that just talks about these in a matter of fact way. He experiences the story with the listener. Makes a huge difference. It's a more human approach to a violently horrific crime.
If you do the David Berkowitz aka "The Son of Sam" case, my mother was court reporter in his Grand Jury appearance. She was also in the Courthouse the day he attempt to escape.
Knowing how gruesome the crimes were and what they all did makes Once Upon a Time in Hollywood much more satisfying
Where's Callum??? I love the new writers but I need an update!
Same!!
Probably in the basement with Danny?
You are always a bright spot! Even with it being about murder and stuff. You just present in a way that lifts. Much needed right now!
I love that you are covering some of the most famous ones. Thank you for this!
Sure it's a story thats been told before but I'm glad your covering these more famous cases. Keep it up Simon! I would love if you covered Albert Fish in more detail. I had never heard of him until the Biographics video, that one stuck with me. So bloody creepy!
Just a minor correction...
March on Washington, I believe is what your writer meant. It took place in the 1960's. Whereas, The Million Man March took place in 1995.
Bugger - I did mean March on Washington. My bad!
3:40
"As we'll find out, he [Charles Manson] was a dick."
Simon Whistler seems like a tremendously agreeable person. If he calls you a dick, you probably messed up.
Yes, the 60s were not the flower-power love-in it's often thought to be. Assassinations, extremely violent and destructive riots, rampant harmful drug use. A loooong, miserable war which only ended for us, as when the US withdrew, Vietnamese and Cambodians went through years of death, starvation, prison, and for the lucky, refugee camps. I had a friend whose husband had an organizational role on the occupation of Alcatraz. I knew Gary Hinman's parents; sad, quiet pair. But we had the Beatles. It's never been better than that.
I've been enjoying the show as a regular watcher but something about the tangents in this episode were particularly fun. Also, welcome Chris!
There's a rule that forbids talking about politics at the dinner table, but in my opinion, only people who aren't mature enough to keep their emotions in check during such discussions should follow that rule.
So 90% of the world in other words.
Yeah… seeing as how lots of folks definitely aren’t mature enough, it’s a good rule.
(I’ll also add that people who aren’t mature enough to keep their emotions is check certainly don’t KNOW they aren’t mature enough… so they won’t abstain 😉)
Preach!
@@SaltyBeach1038 we also have to add religion, many positions regarding ethics (abortion), money……we could keep going really.🤔
OMG Jen! editing was epic, per the usual, plus plus
Oh, now I'm surprised 😶
I thought this subject would never come.
But I'm happy because it's nice to hear this from the point of view of Simons extremely talented writers 👍
I recently discovered casual criminalist and have watched all of them, great stuff Simon. You should do an episode on the Moors Murders.
FYI: The FBI has jurisdiction over all kidnapping cases. Though, depending on the facts, the case may be prosecuted at the state and local levels rather than federal court.
Well, I missed this one months ago and was going to listen to it to go to sleep, but Jen’s editing keeps cracking me up, so I guess I’m just watching it then not playing another episode so I can sleep (thanks a lot Jen 😂)
I really wish u could do an episode on Scientology. I know that’s almost definitely not possible cuz they get so crazy when people say stuff about them, but I literally know nothing about them and would love one of the writers and Simons take on it.
This is my go to podcast while trudging away at work mid-week. It would be a gas to do a random episode about people who’ve committed a good deed.
Imagine if you threw in an act of kindness in-between the murders. That would be a good laugh!
Hey Simon going into more with the other writers. And more high profile crimes. Let’s go with LISK murder or Dunbar Truck Hesit
LISK is one of those cases that seems like it should be solved by now. So strange. Wickedly interesting back stories with the LE and the residents of that beach community.
I'm happy you're doing some of the more well known ones, cause this is the only true crime show I watch and even people like Manson I only vaguely know by name
I've been waiting for my next dose of ADHD rambling!!! It keeps me really engaged as someone who has it...🤣
Thank you Simon!!!
I have ADD. (ADHD without the hyper and impulsive bit, for those who don't know.) Simon is so thoroughly entertaining that I rarely zone out when I watch his videos, and especially The Casual Criminalist. He should cold read everything! 😁👍
Me too ADHD here as well 😂
ASD and I appreciate the rambling and asides very much 💕
I’m ADHD with medication that no longer works very well. So… ADHD with a little bit of the edge taken off lol
Simon,, the only person on the tube that can make me watch adverts! Good job!
I've really been enjoying the contributions from all the new writers, but I hope we haven't seen the last of Callum Howe. More specific to this episode, I watched it immediately after Decoding the Unknown's new video about Marilyn Monroe, and as someone very familiar with both cases, I learned something new about both, so kudos to both writers for their excellent research. If you're still looking for more suggestions for this channel, as a Canadian I have to single out Clifford Robert Olson again... I may have mentioned him in a comment on your video about Robert Pickton. I still have yet to watch your Ed Gein video because of your content warning and my own familiarity with the case... it might be a thing to put on audio in one tab while I watch video-only TH-cam LEGO builds in another. Still the best true crime channel on TH-cam.
If you see this I love seeing you cover this stuff. I don't watch it for the info as much as I do you. I can get this info anywhere but having a fun personality attached makes me want to binge all the channels
A fellow orchid keeper! I only recently got my first last year, and not long after another 2. They’re all currently opening their buds. So gratifying to see your love and care be rewarded with a bloom show. Do you have any photos of them you’d be willing to share?
Simon what’s your favourite medium?
I've worked for a domestic violence shelter for over a decade, and we see a lot of families where all or almost all of the kids are named after the abusive father, including the daughters. When it's just one kid named after the father or maybe even two, it's not necessarily all that remarkable, but when it's three kids or four kids or five kids all named after the father, it's a pattern. Are there non-abusive parents who name their kids after themselves? Sure. But it's a really common thing that abusers do.
I was just a kid, but the 60's was the decade that changed the world. Technology and the space race set up everything going on today. Music changed. Social climate changed in a major way. Drugs came to the forefront and changed social standards and laws. Vietnam changed how we view government. Anyone born after the 60's most likely doesn't understand that this was the most important decade there ever was short of the 1770's.
I feel like the 1840’s-60’s were also fairly important in shaping the nation. Between the gold rush helping to expedite western expansion, the widespread elimination of native tribes and their lands, and the outlaw of slavery.
3:50 - Chapter 1 - The swinging 60's
10:45 - Chapter 2 - How to win friends & influence people
20:20 - Mid roll ads
24:20 - Chapter 3 -The haight ashbury messiah
30:40 - Chapter 4 - The murder of Gary Hinman
35:10 - Chapter 5 - The tate murders
37:50 - Chapter 6 - The La Biance Murders
41:40 - Chapter 7 - Arrest & trial
48:10 - Dismembered appendices
i have heard the name and reputation all my life life without actually knowing anything about this guy or "the family" so thank you simon for covering this. i personally have never understood what anyone ever saw in him becuse one look at his eyes from any photo i have ever seen just screamed psychopath to me.
Welcome to the dungeon!!
Loving the new episode keep up the great work all of you guys and gals. If you need an idea can you do one on Bruce McArthur
My mom lived near Hollywood for about a year when she was nineteen. She worked as an assistant for the producer of a soap opera and cared for her kids. The house she lived in was across the street from where Sharon Tate was killed.
wait... i thought sharon was captured and later succumbed to stockholm syndrome, which was such a new idea that she was convicted of several murders herself. have i got the name mixed up? the gaps in my memory after having a stroke are rather weird
Jen is ON IT! Love the edits.
To Chris or any of Simon’s other riders locked in the basement, could you write a casual criminalist about another crazy cult leader that Simon did a biographics about, Shoko Asahara
Yes. They didn’t do well about the train poisoning coverage either. Please?
That would be cool - their West Australian compound isn’t very well covered either.
Brilliant suggestion Tangent Boi!
The optimal way to find out more about Yourself, is to talk with Other people about Their life experiences.
Best of health to you and your family Simon.
Massively disappointed that Chris ignored maybe the biggest book that came out about Manson:
Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties, by Tom O’Neill
Granted it’s a thick read but the opening chapter alone which covers an actual conversation he had with the lead prosecutor on the case signals that we don’t have the full story. And I know it sounds like some “conspiracy theory” but Tom didn’t spend 20 years of his life looking through official documents from the LAPD, FBI, and CIA not to mention interviewing dozens of contemporary witnesses for nothing. It’s a good read if you like this topic.
Remember Simon is not a fan of conspiracy theories and wants to keep CC conspiracy free or at least reasonable.
Heya Nathan - Chris here : author for this episode. I’m so sorry I didn’t cover Chaos - there was just way too much to cover. I focused on social history as it’s so frequently ignored, and is (IMO) most helpful to understanding Manson as a historical actor. I hope you weren’t too unhappy with the angle I ended up choosing…
I’d have loved to get into the questions O’Neil raised. I don’t dismiss Chaos as a “conspiracy theory” either :)
Thanks also for bringing it up! I meant to list recommended reading in Dismembered Appendices, but I clean forgot…
@@tongboy187 As I said, Chaos is a thick read so I didn't expect a full rundown. At most, I expected at least a little section like "Is this the full story?" or something like that.
@@SEAZNDragon Except it's not a conspiracy theory. The author himself went out of his way to NOT make it so, leaving out a lot of sources that he couldn't vet.
If he wanted to make money, he wouldn't have spent 20 years making this book.
@@SEAZNDragon Research the history of the term "conspiracy theorist" before you ever speak it unironically again - you're welcome.
i never really paid attention to true crime stuff but listening to you while at work such a great way to spend my day.
There's so many conspiracies involving Manson. MK-Ultra was going on at the time and it was rumored that Manson was a victim of their experiments as they used to use prisoners.
Manson also kept breaking parole and when he was arrested again and again, the police were told to let him go from higher ups.
There was also an occultist group from the UK that moved to California that did animal sacrifices and knew Manson. Hundreds of animal remains were found buried on the ranch, that group now runs an animal rescue to this day.
A member from the Manson family said in a live interview that Charles wanted to start kidnapping children and brain wash/traffic them.
I really enjoyed this. I have read the Manson story many times but this was still great and informative.
I saw this one doc where it basically said that while Manson said the helter skelter thing, the actual reason for the murders was to cover up a previous drug related murder by one of their family while simultaneously getting petty vengeance on some people (like the beach boy who stole Manson's song). The helter skelter thing was pushed hard by the prosecuters because they needed to make it a solid 'conspiracy' to make sure Mansion got the same verdict the others did for directing the murders.
I think that’s closer to the truth.
I love that this a is a podcast, but I'm too afraid of missing the amazing editing and Simon's reactions too just listen! Ah well, I guess I'll just have to keep watching! Be sure to subscribe!
I did learn a new thing. I learned that Charlie learned culting from a well known cult
Great job on the podcast, entertaining, sincere and true to it's name far more casual than most crime podcasts. QUESTION: Would you be able to do a podcast on the Dacer-Corbito double murder case, I'm currently living in the Philippines and this came up in relation to one of the presidential candidates, doesn't seem to be much about it on my brief Wikipedia search.
Welcome Chris!!
I kinda like these newer ones about the more famous killers/criminals, it's interesting to hear Simon talk about them in a more laid back and casual way rather than the biographics videos (which are good in their own right)
Could you do Elizabeth Bathory in the future? I know you did her on Biographics, but that episode did not touch on a number of items in history related to her.
32:45 yeah...I imagine buy illegal drugs is sort of a buyer beware deal.
Speaking of cult leaders, Casual Criminalist should do an episode on Roch Thériault and the Ant Hill Kids. The things he did to his followers ...
I really want to hear your take on the Hillside Strangler and the DC sniper. I hope you talk about them soon!
Well done to Chris for this episode 👏 job well done 👍 but I absolutely have to ask, where is Callum? 🤔 He's not been writing your CC scripts for so long now
Right? I miss Callum's writing 🥲
@@funnyomelette8743 Me too, his scripts are dark and funny, and Simon seems to have fun reading them
You should do a video on the Ant Hill Kids! There isn't much coverage about it and it comes to my mind every time I think about Manson or the Jonestown Massacre, but so few people have actually heard of it. It's pretty dark so you might want to do another heist video before covering it, but it's a thought, hahaha
I am actually so happy that Simon is doing some of the more well-known true crime, like Ed Gein and Charles Manson. I've been wanting him to do some of these since he started this podcast. I've obviously already heard the story and the facts of the case multiple times. But I've always wanted to see how Casual Criminalist would do these stories. I come for the well researched scripts and the deep dives just as much as I come for the unique take Casual Criminalist always has, the long rambling stories, and for Simon to call me a degenerate.
I met Bill Clinton briefly when he was governor of Arkansas. He attended the commencement event for the 1986 “Governor’s School” summer program, which I was attending. Even as a Junior in high school, I wasn’t a supporter, but the charisma was apparent to me even in that very brief conversation.
Simon… it’s easy to be charismatic when you’re shoveling LSD down everyone’s throat. LSD makes you incredibly psychologically suggestible.
Love the Casual Criminalist. Do you think you could do an episode on Charles Sobhraj, The Serpent. Lots to uncover there
Watson was a 19yo football star that was his own special kind of crazy. Charlie knew it & used him as the muscle. Linda Kasabian, the "family member" that testified against them all (she was Tex' gf and the getaway driver for both sets of murders) has come out of hiding after 40yrs and they did a documentary of her interviews. It the first time she's spoken since the trial. She was with the family for 4wks before the murders happened.
It started as an X or cross but he later added to it to get the swastika. If you haven't watched the 1976 Helter Skelter, you definitely should check it out. It has some good original interviews and is based on the book Helter Skelter, written by Vincent Bugliosi, who was the DA who tried the cases. The book is also very interesting and decently written. I caught the "movie" on cable when I was about 12 and read the book shortly after. It's pretty thorough.
Well this is a first: Someone Simon covered on Biographics being covered on The Casual Criminalist.
No it isn’t because he did Ed Gien last week.
Simon talking about caring for his plants was a very cute interlude :D
10:10 While there's definitely overlap with political identification, I genuinely believe one of the greatest problems in current politics is people identifying with/as their economic ideologies. People treat their capitalism/Marxism/anything in between or beyond as if they're religions. Religion is the source of its own set of problems, but at least religious people are motivated by how they expect to spend eternity. Meanwhile, we know money is fake, we know we made it up, and we know you can't take it with you. Why does it matter SO MUCH that some people insist we can't try different ideas in different situations??
(Also, the third thing is sex.)
No, it is money.
I thought it was money
Money is fake? As someone with a job, home, multiple vehicles, and various other toys, I disagree. But hey if you wanna “unburden” yourself of all that colorful paper in your bank account I’ll slide you my details and you can transfer it over to me. I’ll gladly take that evil stuff right off your hands. Call it “community service”. I’m doing you a favor right? You have no need for that meaningless crap anyway.
@@richardtherichard26 It's a social construct. Take any old pre-Euro money and try to spend it in its country of origin. You can't, you can't even exchange them for Euros anymore except to sell them to collectors or maybe for whatever the metal is valued at. Those bits of paper and metal only ever had value because people agreed they did, but then people agreed that they didn't. Even if you want to talk purely about "value" independent of currency, that is also a social construct. Gold was just a shiny yellow metal for billions of years before humans came along. And in places where it was particularly abundant, like in South America, it played no role in their economy. Abundance and scarcity are real, but even the way value is calculated for any given good or service, _by capitalism's own definition_ , is entirely determined by how much of their bits of paper and metal humans are willing to give up for it. Humans give these things value, and those values can vary wildly around the globe. We made it up.
Hey Simon. You should do the Texas Killing Fields or the Highway of Tears. Which would give you bad indigestion and could be a three part
Something else that ended the 60s was The Rolling Stones concert that used the Hell's Angels as security. Shit got WAAYYY out of hand real fast. Life tip: don't use the MOST infamous biker gang to have and will ever exist on planet earth as security for your events. OR☝🏼, any biker gang for that matter. Maybe hire people that don't kill people on a semi regular basis?🤷🏼♀️
You guys should do a video on that and the lasting effects.
Hells angels? More like target practice
Yeah. My aunt was there.I never heard what happened. Not much was written crystal clearly about it either. She has Alzheimer’s now and she can’t tell me anymore.
Altamont!!!!!!
There is a book about it. Very interesting how things went wrong.
Best security ever.. and they were security for EVERYONE STONES, ANIMALS, WOODSTOCK. But it worked.
Now time my work-outs to Casual Crimanilst episodes. Thanks for keeping me healthy Simon.
Simon: welcome to the new writer
Me: well, that basement is getting crowded...
Simon: this past decade wasn't too crazy, not Vietnam or things like that
Me, watching in March 2022 after three weeks of war in Ukraine : 😶
Thanks for another great episode Simon!
Thank you so much for doing these! I have only a passing familiarity with some of these big names and some I have no idea what they did. You guys, gals, and non-binary pals 😉 all do such a great job covering everything so thoroughly. I really appreciate all this hard work and effort!
I love the more popular crazies! Love you and keep up the amazing work!!!! Writers and Simon😁
As stated in previous comments, you’re not allowed to bring other people across state lines with intent to prostitute THEM. You can go across state lines for sex all YOU want, especially in Nevada, where certain forms of prostitution are legal. But you can’t take someone across state lines and make them have sex, with you or others, as this is a form of Human Trafficking.
Also, my dad went to school with the sister of Sharon Tate. He remembers when it happened, and how shaken the entire community was. Pretty crazy times