Virologist here: Dogs don't appear to naturally harbor any retroviruses (the type of virus that HIV is) Cats harbor two retroviruses: Feline Leukemia Virus (FLV) and Feline Immunodeficiency Virus (FIV) FLV causes a variety of cancers, most prominently leukemia FIV causes an immunodeficiency similar to HIV. Humans are not susceptible to either of these cat viruses, so you're safe Simon.
I love telling people this and really freaking them out at the start with the cat aids part 😂 vaccines are available for FeLV and FIV however the FIV one is less predictable and not available in all counties, having cats neutered asap is best for preventing kitty stds like FELV/FIV and helps shelters manage already high numbers😊 male cats will fight less and stay close to home too
Thank you for mentioning the names of the victims. My family was very close to one of them, Georgina Papin may you rest in peace. She would leave her boys with us to play while she worked hard to earn a bit of cash. She was a brave woman. ❤️
As a Canadian with a criminal justice degree, yes he could theoretically get parole, in reality, no one is ever letting him out he basically gets to apply for parole after 25 years, he does not necessarily get it.
I expected nothing else from my good canadian friends. Sure, you can APPLY for parole at some point but they're not just going to look at how nice you were in jail. They'll see what you're in for and from there to actually getting parole is gonna be a LEAP for any jury or judge. We have the same "maximum sentence" here in germany but we add "secure containment" afterwards for the worst offenders. That means IF they get parole, they stay institutionalized, just not in jail but a mental health clinic's closed ward or whatever it's called.
but sadly, it's 100% Canadian how long it took to arrest the guy. I lived in Niagara during the Bernardo killings. What people think is that Homolka did almost no time in jail because Canadian sentencing is too lax. What actually happened was she made a plea deal under the assumption Bernardo had forced her to kill because when police went to Homolka to ask about Bernardo's involvement in crimes she assumed they were talking about the murders and decided to throw Bernardo under the bus and claim her made her take part. They were not, they'd actually just gotten around to testing the DNA they took from a series of rape cases...years earlier. So they believed everything Homolka said because she was the only way they knew about a serial killer (keep in mind, they'd found her sister dead with her and Bernardo, a guy they now had DNA evidence (years after the fact) was a sadistic serial rapist... dead bodies had been found...and they were still caught off guard to hear about murders). Oh, Homolka also told them where a video (that would have proven she was a willing participant) was (in a vent), but when they went to look in the vent they just stuck their hand in and decided it wasn't there...it was...about 2" from where they stopped looking...easily visible had they just looked in the vent). Canada: where the short, short arm of the law always prevails: when the killer is caught off guard by how incompetent they are.
@Anne Grey I agree with you. In my interviewing class we specifically studied this case and watched the police interviews. Creepiest thing I ever saw was her interview. After hours of watching I had to break it up over a week because I just couldn't shake this feeling of dread watching it.
Canadian here, who lived in the Vancouver area for about a year. Thank you for listing the victims' names and for taking a humanizing approach to this story. Can confirm the police services in the area are lackluster, from unfortunate personal experience, and I've lived in several other provinces with similar issues.
When you said discarded indigenous id cards my heart sank. Too many of our sisters are taken and/or killed and the police hardly give them the time of day.
So I was living in Van in 2001-2003 and my friends and I hung out at the goth/fetish events which were pretty much the same thing. I met a couple of people who had been to parties there and one girl said that the whole thing was SUPER creepy and it was all bikers. She told us never ever to go, no matter how much we, as girls, might want to get some free drugs. (I wasn't into drugs, so I was safe there!) But the look on her face was legit scared enough. The whole issue of missing indigenous women being murdered/disappeared in BC is one of our biggest shames. Robert Pickton is just the large tip of a horrendous iceberg. There is a highway from Terrace to Prince George called the Highway of Tears because so many women have disappeared along it, and I've read that there could be more than one serial killer who has used it as their hunting ground.
I live in Washington, the Pig Farm murders is part of our regular history topic along side Ridgeway and his use of the green river. Soooooo many women were never cared about and forgotten. Pretty weird that we drive across the green river bridge routinely and many people still have horror stories.
@@HumanHamCube And Pickton was "underneath the cops noses". They had 500 suspects on the RCMP official investigation list, but 497 of those suspects lived in residence hotels with locked security entry, no money, no land, no vehicle, inotherwords, no real tools with which to accomplish anything. Pickton was a few months away from earning his Red Seal butchering designation!!!!
@@thedwightguy these folks are off the grid because either they don't want to be apart of society or they can't be. Folks can't get credit, cellphone, rent, laptop, job. Either they hocked those things for smack or they don't have the mental capacity to utilize them. But One thing is a tell when these folks especially women, don't show up to claim their checks, they are dead. The RCMP knew this and have a "trash take out trash" mentality. If Pickyon killed a woman in Yaletown. Vancouver the Queen would have been on it.
@@HumanHamCube they aren't "off grid" if they're are on the system, eh? And actually, your "analysis" is begging the known history of at least six of the victims. And "Claire" who disappeared in late summer 1991, owned a condo. in the west end of Vancouver. Virtually ALL had cell phones, except Andrea. The area in question was on the Vancouver Police watch. The RCMP was adjunct. And Bonnie got hooked through her husband. Both had jobs. AND that "trash takes out trash" mentality applies to all in society who think they're "normal", until life goes sideways.
Just use your brains. Of course the grizzlies wouldn't fit in the squad cars. Yes your average squad car is filled to the brim with attack beavers. It's the Canadian Special Forces that use the grizzlies. Man. Kids today.
My professor was one of the anthropology students who worked on looking for bodies on this farm, she said it was so much worse than was reported and a lot of students had mental breakdowns and needed therapy
In their book about this case, "On The Farm", Stevie Cameron did the same thing including memories and accounts from relatives who loved each victim. It struck me as incredibly humanizing, especially having lived in the area while this all happened. ♥️🍍
@@PushyPushyPhoenix I'm going to have to find that book. While I appreciate the documentaries covering the case itself, I really would like to hear about the unfortunate victims as they were in life, in the words of those that knew them best. These women deserve to be remembered at their best, not for having their lives ended so horribly.
It will never happen, but I've always envisioned a movie about the victims of a serial killer that leads up to their last moments, but never shows or names the killer. Probably wouldn't be a box office success, but I'd watch it.
after zu var, (World War One) Canada had a lot of questionable Eastern Bloc craphole types settle as no one really wanted to farm, and it escalated with WW2. We leased large tracts of acreage in the lower mainland and most of it was owned clear title by old ladies that had outlived everybody in their European family. I would bet they had some stories to tell. Canada also ended up asking no questions. I've met some pretty sketchy Germanic types that owned entire blocs of streets and drove a 500. car. The Pickton brother also owns a plot in a car junk area near the Pattulo Bridge. That parcel went for huge numbers if he's sold it. The GVRD District wanted all the car junk OUT. So these old school types keep cashing in on Vancouvers' insane price rises. I bought a Ford wing window from him. Remember the film "old Lions" with Duvall and Co.? He'd look right in place except in Canada we don't allow you to sit and discharge your shotgun from your front porch.
Yeah well how many people have ever killed an animal in 2021... it’s the same person killing thousands of animals for everyone else I’m sure that might make it easy
You hit the nail on the head. Abusive parents is very much a determining factor in serial killer development but it isnt always a factor, although cases of nonabused people becoming serial killers is rather rare.
I live near by, and when the court case was going on my entire school was following it. It was huge, not only was this the biggest Canadian serial killer, it was also kind of in our back yard. And yes, everyone was pissed at how badly the Vancouver PD handled the whole situation. It was disgusting.
I grew up down the road from the pig farm in the early 90’s. Yes can confirm there was a sign on his gate that said “No trespassing my dog has aids”. I used to have to walk past it while on my way to school! Gave me the creeps
My Dog has AIDS signage on his gate, might have been because the dog also might have consumed some of the human remains, of those victims who might have had AIDS...We live in a VERY SICK WORLD. Eh!
3:30 - Chapter 1 - The brothers 9:10 - Chapter 2 - Piggy palace Good time for society 12:55 - Chapter 3 - ER Scene 16:55 - Chapter 4 - The piggy palace good times weapons raid 21:40 - Chapter 5 - The full search 24:50 - Chapter 6 - Excavation 29:00 - Chapter 7 - The trial 36:20 - Chapter 8 - How the police failed the victims 39:35 - Chapter 9 - Did the others know ? 44:45 - Chapter 10 - 1 last bonus murder 48:05 - Dismembered appendices
as a pig farmer with 2500 pigs.. i can tell you, that 250 pigs will devour a 1500 pound cow in less than 12 hours if they go without any food for 30 hours.....
Remember that guy in Oregon just three/four years ago? Had a 500 lb. pet pig and all they found were his teeth. The pig has started to get uncontrollable and the investigation doesn't know if the owner maybe had a health "incident" and that's all you'd need to trigger an animals reaction.
Nope. I haven't watched Tiger King. Don't plan to either. And I don't have to bc literally everyone who has seen it has commented on it at great length online.
For Simon's information, yes, the RCMP is basically the Canadian equivalent of the FBI and Secret Service (as in they provide security for dignitaries) as well as acting as the local police in much of the country. It's actually kind of incredible how much one agency does.
It's probably better and more efficient being one agency. In the US we have so many jurisdictional and bureaucratic overlaps that our system has massive issues sharing information and with accountability. We would be MUCH better off having city, county, state, federal and government security police rolled into one. As it is, even beyond those we have separate law enforcement agencies for our Post Office, military branches, tax agencies, and various food, agriculture, forestry, parks, alcohol, tobacco and firearm regulation departments. Frankly it's hugely inefficient.
@@ladygrndr9424 They are an institutionally racist, misogynist organization. So corrupt and incompetent they should be disbanded. This is not under desired; it’s the funding of a Blue Ribbon Commission.
In most these episodes you say "why not go to the police?" But you also express the sense of "why wouldn't the police actually...you know...do their job?" And when it comes to the lives of people that get written off because their profession or way of life, it makes a lot of sense that people dont go to the police
As an indigenous woman this is my biggest fear. America and Canada both continue to turn a blind eye to our needs and disappearances. I have friends who regularly post “I don’t plan on ending my life” because if we go missing we are ALWAYS assumed to just be “moving on” or “mentally unwell”
As a white Canadian woman, what you guys have to deal with, the ridiculous extent to which your lives aren't valued, is fucking bullshit. >:( I grew up along the Highway of Tears, and lived in the Lower Mainland while all this was going down, and if they gave even the *slightest* shit about either the cops could have put a stop to it *very* quickly. But if the people "going missing" (we all know they're being fucking murdered; you don't say you're going to hitchhike home through that remote area and are never seen again because, what? You decided to keep going and run away to Disneyland? You could stash a body in a ditch on the side of the road twenty minutes out of town and no one would ever find you--or hear your murder) are Indigenous, then fuck them, I guess? >:( The RCMP and also the Vancouver Police are *systemically* fucking racist (and sexist, misogynistic) assholes. They gave the stack of missing EastVan women files to some super junior policewoman, because they didn't consider any of it important enough for a "regular" cop to look over, and when she noticed the goddamned pattern and went, "Guys, I think we have a serial killer here and he's targeting these specific women in this specific area," she was told she watched too much goddamned TV and to get over herself!! If Pickton had accidentally picked up some white chick from NorthVan who was out partying, and *she* had gone missing, *then* the cops might have actually been forced to pay attention. But the VCP are notoriously corrupt (and were widely known for it even back then), and had strong ties to the Hell's Angels, and I guess weren't going to risk that relationship for people they don't even seem to fucking regard as people. And the RCMP are no better. I am really, really sorry and angry about how they treat First Nations people (them and the government). It's literal fucking genocide, under the Geneva Convention, and it needs to be stopped!!
I am so sorry that indigenous women are going missing, being murdered and it's all just being ignored and not even investigated!!! I hope that one day this will change!! I am from the UK and when I hear this it makes me so angry, I really hope one day all those indigenous women who have been victims of murder will get justice and you and your community won't have to live in fear!!
Its insane how much effort Callum puts into these. I am currently writing the last stuff for my university degree and Callum writes two episodes per WEEK .. where this one alone has 70 pages.
For the sake of Canadian Pig Farmers, please note that they resent Pickton being presented as a Pig Farmer. He was a monster with some hellscape property that included a few pigs. And many, many corpses. Etc.
They dont. I worked in the criminal justice system in the UK. Prostitutes were usually very good at giving evidence. But if they were addicts they were a nightmare to deal with whilst they were waiting to give evidence.
The woman who saw the body and then denied it knew that it would be gone by the time the police got there, and she'd be next. Never assume that going to the police will keep you safe.
Then again, have fun dealing with the KNOWLEDGE that people have died under horrific circumstances and will never be redeemed BECAUSE you were too scared, too mistrusting and too selfish. Not saying that's all accurate or my opinion but you WILL live with those thoughts if you did let it continue to happen. I'm living with someone who once let someone else get away and commit more such things - no details here but none needed - and trust me, she struggles with that after 10+ years now. Yes, we've had fights over it and it's not always staying in the past either
@@YeeSoest: Normally I'd agree with you, but if she did stick to her story and then disappeared, I highly doubt that the corrupt local cops would bat an eye. The only reason that the farm got raided was due to the illegal weapons which prompted a FEDERAL response. Her going to the cops would've painted a bigger target on her back.
@@Charles_Anthony it has to do with police "culture" not "corruption. That word is used ad nauseum for all the wrong reasons. I was told women were disappearing by a lady .......in 1991. what's needed is a new outlook between the "poverty pimps" social workers whose jobs depend on the misfortune of others, and the police, who see it as an "Us against Them" game, and have a siege mentality. That why "de funding" is so critical. You need a completely different model of care.
This jerk killed a friend of mine. Thank you for bringing the info to light. Coquitlam sounds like this: Ko-Quit-Lam and in the native Indian language it means Smelly Fish. Hugs from Esquimalt
fun bit - while working in victoria a tourist once asked me directions to get to "eskimo". it took my brain a few minutes to realize he meant esquimalt. There are many places that are hard to pronounce before you've heard someone else say them!
Hi fellow Esquimaltonian. I was trying to tell someone where I lived (years ago) and the best he could say back to me was "Eskimo-mold". 🙄 I remember this case, scared the bejeebus out of me, we all know people in Vancouver and surrounding area, it just felt too close to home.
I was so creeped out after this episode, I decided to watch a cooking show to help me calm down. What did I choose? A recipe for stuffed pork loin! The irony!! Thank you for always illustrating true crime so well!! I really enjoy your channel. ❤️
Another common theme in true crime that makes me livid: The victims weren't "good girls," so police don't bother to investigate their deaths as much as they would with anyone else. That's why so many serial killers target sex workers. They know that police won't try as hard to find their killer. It's maddening.
As a Canadian, I’m surprised Karla Homolka and Paul Bernardo haven’t been covered by this channel yet. Very horrific case where Karla’s own sister, Tammy, was one of their victims.
@@PlumSack79 what do your Canadian stereotypes have to do with what the person said? At least us Canucks can usually follow along in a conversation without randomly pointing out a bunch of stereotypes. I'm surprised Simon hasn't covered that case either as it's one of the worst in our history
Is that the Barbie and Ken murderers? I can't remember their names, but she got her little sister drunk/drugged up as a "gift" for her husband?boyfriend?
His brother David has been spotted trolling the Down town east side looking for women again, warnings have been put out and posters warning women of this are posted everywhere. I grew up only minutes away from the farm. I ran literally lnto Robert Pickton in a grocery store and the man smelled up the isle, could smell where he went after he left!. Co-quit-lam. :) love your channels Simon!
Can totally confirm. I live in Vancouver and DTES is still a sketchy area. And we have so many reports of attempted abductions and/or women being followed by complete strangers that are clearly not looking for directions.
Pig farms generate a permeating stench that infects EVERYTHING around. It is disgustingly palpable. There's no way to wash it off, it just sticks and stinks.
We have a big big racism problem in Canada, and it’s so often waved away with ‘at least we’re not the states’ as if that absolves it. MMIW deserve justice.
If your specifically talking about white people being the racist then hear in vancouver we don't have a problem. If your talking about non white racist then idn
@@matthew-qu5siwell it lets racism keep happening because its the same thing that yanks do as well and point to another country so they dont have to deal with the under lying issue.
anyone else think Simon is the nurse joy and officer jenny of youtubers, just a bunch of identical cousins and brothers running different channels? lol i can just imagine meeting Simon and telling him "dude i love mega projects" and him replying "sorry that's my 2nd cousin on my moms side. I'm the Simon from business blaze, your boy with the blaze."
"Sorry to bother you friend, but we heard some reports that women have been disappearing from your meth parties. Think you boys could try being a little more careful eh, and OH MY GOD IS THAT A GUN!"
@@krodmandoon3479 Meth wasn't around Vancouver, then. Heroin was the street drug of choice. Lower end couldn't AFFORD cocaine unless someone else was buying.
I mean legit the news about overdoses here is "take test dosages, and do it with friends" not drugs are bad don't do them. Try some first, and socially
Ugh... so this story hits home hard. In my partying days many a moon ago I'd been to Piggys Palace. Imagine my shock looking out my window one day and seeing a field nearby my own damn house covered in cops with hazmat suits marking off a massive area and the news blaring about how the owner of the farm may have dumped "extra parts" around the lower mainland, then seeing my house from a goddamn helicopter overhead of one of the fields the cops were searching. Yeah, my partying days ended pretty quick after that.
God I don't know how this man got away for this shit for so long. I have a friend who lived on the streets in Victoria when she was in her early 20's and she met women who had fled Vancouver because they were terrified of ending up at the "Pig Farm". So many women needlessly and brutally died because the police chose not to do there jobs it's heartbreaking.
Picton got away with so many murders because he preyed on the underclass and drug users and that's why it's so sad .It was like the police didn't care because of the lifestyle of the victims. This happens all the time Even .Simon actually said dumb people . Commit more crimes nobody wants to admit it but the poor and out people don't really matter I hope this changes over time.
@@partickthompson1164 I hope it changes soon to. I don't normally believe in conspiracy type things but when you hear the whole in depth story I think the police knew, didn't care and turned a blind eye. To many people came forward with similar stories knowing details about anatomy the average person isn't going to know, for example human fat being yellow. It was clear these women were scared and why would so many make it up, not in my worst nightmares would I dream the stories of these witnesses up. The amount of witnesses to his crimes is appalling. I have a hard time believing he acted alone I think other men on that farm at worst participated at best let in continue with full knowledge of what was going on.
Good lord I remember this one. I was working in Poco (port coquitlam) when this all went down. Most of my co-workers at the time used to buy meat off his truck and I'm sure most of them are still vegetarians.
This happened about 45 min from my house. My mom knew The brothers. I mom used to work at a propane company that supplied their farm with propane. Also one of his victims was my next door neighbours sister. So this is very very close to home for me and my family. It’s pronounced Port kow·kwit·luhm
as a 15 yr old runaway in 1970 in vancouver who was picked up hitchhiking near port c. and had to jump out of the car at a traffic light cause he wouldn't let me out... this story freaked me out also. pickton would have been 21 at the time. i have no real idea if this was him but, judging by the pic in this video, it might have been. regardless, this isn't the only reason why (the other is almost worse), i quit eating pork after this came out
I love this youtube channel. I fell asleep with this show running, from a playlist for serial killers and I couldn't figure out why I was in a bad mood. I realized I shouldn't watch this type of content when I'm not well rested. Although the content is grim, it is well presented by Simon. Keep up the good work.
@@itarry4 I think it’s more used in hunting and sport - rather then going to Walmart - we also have different laws with brake and entry I think - hand hang guns - we also have way less people as well
@@itarry4 There are more rules, especially with the scary looking guns, but it's actually not hard or even expensive to get a license and buy a gun in Canada. The carry laws and self-defense laws are very different though. We're not even allowed to carry pepper spray I don't think lol.
@@jimjambananaslam3596 only bear spry (I think ) and you have to sigh a waver (most places) saying you won’t use it on people - i’ve been downwind when that has gone off accidentally and let me say it’s legitimately The worst thing that’s happened in a while
Looked up this video after hearing it on Spotify and trying to picture you with your description of yourself (love the Moby meets Ralph Fiennes!). Somehow not what I had in my head for the previous 21 episodes but so glad I can now put a face to the voice. Keep up the great job 👍
I was working at a gas station about half an hour from Port Coquitlam at the time. One of my coworker's skeevy exes had taken her out to one of Pickton's parties, and she pointed out to me that it was the brother, David, who looked more like the police sketch; she was absolutely positive that it was him that had done the actual murders (although they were probably both in on it), and that he had manipulated his idiot brother into taking the fall alone. David later trying to pick up sex workers in the same area again certainly looks like it to me.
@@Areyousayingidontknowmyname Let me do the math that the police haven't: The drug of choice was heroin, the bikers at the time controlled heroin, and ALL the victims drug of choice was..heroin. The Picktons were very, very close to the known bikers, and ,, in fact, the guy that first called the attention to the farm was intervened, told to move, and went to the island, by the bikers. That was three years BEFORE THIS case came down. He's ON RECORD and ON VIDEO that was done on the story. Leave, or you'll get taken out.
Can you guys do a video on the highway of tears? I know it’s not one singular crime or perpetrator, but it’s an incredibly sad topic that doesn’t get near enough attention.
@@anishawoods8443 They most certainly do. Their stories need to be held, too. They had lives, families, hopes, and dreams and their lives, hopes, and dreams were cruelly snuffed out.
There was an episode of Criminal Minds where a man killed people and had his mentally handicapped brother feed them to pigs and that brother collected their shoes
Yeah, there's a few changes, but I can only think this is where they got the inspiration from. IIRC they were actually kidnapping people and taking them over the border to Canada. Basically one brother was totally paralyzed, and trying to cure himself with other people's spinal fluid. The handicapped brother would extract the fluid and feed the bodies to the pigs, all while the paralyzed brother enjoyed to watch.. One of the more horrific episodes!
It's how Mason Verger planned to get rid of Hannibal in the titular movie starring Anthony Hopkins, as well. It's been known for ages that you don't want to fall into the pig pen when the pigs are hungry; wouldn't be surprised if multiple irl killers were using them as a disposal method, as well as multiple shows.
Here we get a deep dive into Simon's mind. He doesn't know who many prominent people are but immediately identifies an obscure nobody-porn star. Thanks for this Simon, it gave me a good laugh.
@@badluck5647 wait, you’re telling me that michael from vsauce hasn’t been uploading because he’s actually been incognito as simon from [one of eleven channels here] this whole time?! THE CONSPIRACY!
Thanks for doing this one, Grew up in Poco and was in high school when he was arrested. I even remember older friends that talked about parties at "The Farm". the whole thing is so fucked up
My uncle met this guy and told me all about it. He was working as an archaeologist back then and did an impact study on the area where the Picktons built their party shack. He recalled meeting the dude and described his smell as "fresh skunk musk on top of rotting corpses." Apparently Bobby-Willy led my uncle over a bunch of freshly dug land talking about "future projects," and how he could ensure no government-overseen digging was done before his next construction project for the spot they were standing. My uncle was so scared that there was bodies underneath his feet that he insisted on doing the survey for the shack, rushed the job, and hightailed it out of there after finding nothing of cultural or archaeological significance. He is sure that he was standing over the ramshackle graves of some victims that day.
.... this is actually a touchy subject to me as I lived in BC during this time and also knew a fellow peer of mine (she mention in high-school to me)... her aunt was murdered by him. MMIWG ♡♡♡ never forget ♡♡♡ so sad 😞
IMO, this pair of episodes was one of the better written stories of the series. While there wasn't actual gore, much was eluded to. Hitchcock was a master at this, and scared the begesus out of us by letting the carnage take place in our minds, leaving a trail of Hershey's syrup to circle the drain.
Canadians, Aussies, and Brits have plenty of privately owned guns, it's just that there are far stricter controls on who can own one and why they can own it. For example, I have plenty of British friends who own a shotgun for sporting purposes.
My dad's in the army and he can't have firearms at home because there's children, he has to keep them in a gun locker at a shooting range. I mean you just have to look at the numbers to realize countries like America need stricter gun laws
Yes, you just can't own semi automatics and assault rifles. Plenty of farmers and hunters have the gun they need while having gun safes and checks prior to owning 1
@@annaohare8263 also, no handguns in the UK. Shotguns are widely owned and used for sport or pests though (they're quite lightly regulated in the UK in terms of being able to get a licence to own one, you have a few hoops to jump through and a background check to pass but it's all pretty simple and pretty inexpensive), rifles are a bit harder to get a licence for and even harder to get ammunition for but there are plenty of rifle owners in the UK in spite of this.
This is such an overlooked case. He knew his victims “didn’t matter” and knew pigs ate literally everything. I remember being a kid when he got caught and the news saying to make sure all pork was cooked well to kill the HEP C and HIV
I remember this. My friend lived down the road from the farm. All I could think of while you were reading this is ... it gets worse. David is just as guilty in my eyes. Linda their sister took her money from the sale of the farm and ran. She wants Nothing to With her ‘family’ Also gangs may have used the pigs as a way to dispose of bodies as well.
Const. super would tell me they used the farm for dumping material, and the brothers would freak out about where to dump, as if they had something to hid. What I don't understand is that the Crown officially put in a "cut off" date of 1995. When I ran the Metropole Hotel in 1992 I was being told by some pretty credible people that women were disappearing. Why the date cut? That doesn't make sense. By 1997 all these women were at the end of their street life, and virtually all were heroin users, no cocaine or meth. Bikers controlled heroin. That thread has never been looked at, though millions were spent on the so-called investigations. In fact, I believe "Claire" is one of the Jane Doe's not identified. For other reasons, I actually went through a decade where the RCMP REFUSED to talk to me (another issue not related), but i fthey had Claire disappeared in late summer 1992. I believe she's on the farm.
I think Criminal Minds did an episode based on/inspired by this once. I remember that the characters thought it was unusually horrifying even for their cases.
Such a horrible case so many killers get away with their crimes because the cops don't believe a victim. Thank you for covering this crime and naming the victims. He should have gotten a longer sentence and the victims who didn't get justice deserve it.
I've watched several of your videos in the past few days and the fact that you currently live in my country was the biggest plot twist of all the Casual Criminalist I've watched. I was NOT expecting that! 😂
The drug problem in Vancouver and the lower mainland is real. And it's truly terrible... there are more deranged evil dealers and pimps than you could imagine. Lost my sister to that city. The war on drugs has failed.
Remeber Vancouver is the only place in Canada with a warm enough winter that homeless and druggies can live outside. They congregate in the DTES but is could be any location. Surrey, Abbotsford and Chilliwack are just as bad.
I've watched some of your newer stuff and when you started off quick like, I literally said, "Whoa whistle boy." I love your channels and I've been binge watching them 😂🤣😂🤣
Before this I watched a different video about this. Only 15min long, good, but woh!, yours has so much more info. So tragic and just plain off insane. Feel bad fir the victims. Thank you for all the extra hard work.
Every time I think I've found all of Simon's channels another seems to appear from nowhere. Not that I'm complaining of course, gives me more to watch whilst I'm drawing 😂
WE leased large acreage for decades in this area until values sky rocketed . Most of the acreage (Hectares in Canada( was clear tittle as the big banks didn't loan on unimproved land, unless you were a large Corporation. Most were owned by European immigrants that had fled Europe. Several passed with no heirs. They must have had some harrowing stories to tell. You don't get over that kind of "deliberately induced trauma" easilly, and most of them were very, very uneducated, even in their original language.
My eldest nephew works in demolition...he loves it. It also pays very well and it's something that you're taught on-site. He didn't even graduate high school. He makes over $36 an hour (at the minimum) and just has to supervise his guys, set the lines, and instruct the people to be far enough away in a foxhole (usually) then he pushes the button. Hours of tedious work for a few seconds of bangin' work.
@@ChickenLiver911 What's your point? It's not like he's some multibillionaire CEO deciding to pay employees minimum wage. Go after them, not some random demolition worker.
The giving a farm kid a baby animal and making them kill it actually used to be super common. It was to make them tough. Upsetting story to follow: My dad was a farm kid in the fifties. His mom gave him a baby chick for Easter one year. His father (who suffered and would eventually die from alcoholism) decided my dad was too soft. So he made Dad kill his pet chicken, then took a photo of Dad holding the headless body. Oh, by the way, my father was FIVE years old at the time. Luckily for me and my little brother, Dad did not grow up to be a monster himself. He still struggles with emotions to this day. He often doesn’t understand a lot of emotions, but he has always been wonderfully kind to us. He’s also an avid animal lover and insists he prefers the company of cats to people.
It’s neat to see someone reviewing this recently, my father as well as my god father used to go to the picktons after hours during the time of their running. Also a bit of a terrifying fact, David pickton has been seen in Vancouver BC and all around the lower mainland, A lot of women/children have gone missing as well
Also- mild mispronunciation of Port Coquitlam, break up Co-Quit-Lam like that and that’s how you pronounce it (I live a few towns over and struggle with the name at times)
I was in high school at the time this happened and I was so shocked about it happening in Canada, that I remember buying a Toronto Star Newspaper with the story on the front page of it and I think I still have it somewhere to this day because this doesn't happened here right? Still in shock that it did and does. So messed up and so sad for those who lost loved ones. Such a terrible tragedy.
We listen to your podcast via Amazon music . Not really sure if we can leave review there but.... we love listening and watching all your channels. Keep the information coming
British Columbia has a pretty solid history of serial killers. My dad was an RCMP officer from the 70's to the 00's and knew one of the investigators working on the Clifford Olson case. He said the details were too gruesome for the news to report and he didn't want to ever think about it again. He saw some terrible things in his 30 year career but those details were too much. Dude was a monster.
I’m from Vancouver Island. I remember when it went out on the news that some of the pork was most likely contaminated. I’ve never been more relieved to be vegetarian!
How about a Casual Criminalist written by Danny and edited by Sam? I'm just curious what would happen if you swapped a few of your writers and editors around? 'Top Tenz - In Meme Form'.
Don't feel badly, Simon. I only made it about halfway through the preview for Tiger King. It was painfully obvious, in the first few minutes, that it was the Jerry Springer of documentaries. While I can't speak with one hundred percent certainty, I still feel very strongly that neither of us has missed anything of any importance whatsoever. It's rare, but this time I'll claim that ignorance is bliss :)
I'm from Canada, there was an inquiry into why the police didn't catch him sooner. One of the problems is that this happened close to the " the highway of tears" where 18 - 40 women (depending on who you ask) have gone missing since the 70's. Many believe that there is at least one serial killer hunting alone that highway.
Or maybe violence against women, particularly indigenous women, not being investigated is just an incredibly widespread systemic problem and it’s not serial killers just many, many shitheads who get away with this stuff because it’s not adequately investigated. 🤷♀️ We like to blame ‘serial killers’ because they’re somehow an aberration, or an ‘other’ and we don’t have to face up to deep rooted problems in society,
David Pickton totally let his brother Willy Pickton take the fall for all the murders at the pig farm.........David lived elsewhere but would go to the farm and do his gruesome shit and then split leaving Willy behind to live on the farm
I would LOVE to see (I watch Casual Criminalist on YT, along with all of Simon's channels since I love history!) an episode on Leonard Lake and Charles Ng. Hopefully, the more people learn of these horrible people and can glean any patterns the fewer victims we will hear about in the future!
I feel like it would be too much for Simon. There is no way to cover that case in non stomach churning fashion (althought Last podcast did there best.)
Mounted police is the federal/ national police whose jurisdiction extends to the whole country. In India we have CBI, and the US, the FBI. The benefit of having a central enforcement agency is that they do not have to deal with geographical limits of the jurisdictions. Thanks for the video. Subscribed.
Virologist here:
Dogs don't appear to naturally harbor any retroviruses (the type of virus that HIV is)
Cats harbor two retroviruses: Feline Leukemia Virus (FLV) and Feline Immunodeficiency Virus (FIV)
FLV causes a variety of cancers, most prominently leukemia
FIV causes an immunodeficiency similar to HIV.
Humans are not susceptible to either of these cat viruses, so you're safe Simon.
Presumably the fellow saying it had AIDS was not accurate, since the strain of AIDS that infects humans can be transmitted between animals and humans.
Today I Found Out!! 🧠
My cat Mimi had FIV and somehow managed to live 16 years.
Also, cats can’t get HIV (the human virus).
I love telling people this and really freaking them out at the start with the cat aids part 😂 vaccines are available for FeLV and FIV however the FIV one is less predictable and not available in all counties, having cats neutered asap is best for preventing kitty stds like FELV/FIV and helps shelters manage already high numbers😊 male cats will fight less and stay close to home too
Thank you for mentioning the names of the victims. My family was very close to one of them, Georgina Papin may you rest in peace. She would leave her boys with us to play while she worked hard to earn a bit of cash. She was a brave woman. ❤️
As a Canadian with a criminal justice degree, yes he could theoretically get parole, in reality, no one is ever letting him out he basically gets to apply for parole after 25 years, he does not necessarily get it.
I'd be very surprised if he doesn't get declared a dangerous offender. In that case, he'll never get out.
I expected nothing else from my good canadian friends. Sure, you can APPLY for parole at some point but they're not just going to look at how nice you were in jail. They'll see what you're in for and from there to actually getting parole is gonna be a LEAP for any jury or judge.
We have the same "maximum sentence" here in germany but we add "secure containment" afterwards for the worst offenders. That means IF they get parole, they stay institutionalized, just not in jail but a mental health clinic's closed ward or whatever it's called.
but sadly, it's 100% Canadian how long it took to arrest the guy. I lived in Niagara during the Bernardo killings. What people think is that Homolka did almost no time in jail because Canadian sentencing is too lax. What actually happened was she made a plea deal under the assumption Bernardo had forced her to kill because when police went to Homolka to ask about Bernardo's involvement in crimes she assumed they were talking about the murders and decided to throw Bernardo under the bus and claim her made her take part. They were not, they'd actually just gotten around to testing the DNA they took from a series of rape cases...years earlier. So they believed everything Homolka said because she was the only way they knew about a serial killer (keep in mind, they'd found her sister dead with her and Bernardo, a guy they now had DNA evidence (years after the fact) was a sadistic serial rapist... dead bodies had been found...and they were still caught off guard to hear about murders). Oh, Homolka also told them where a video (that would have proven she was a willing participant) was (in a vent), but when they went to look in the vent they just stuck their hand in and decided it wasn't there...it was...about 2" from where they stopped looking...easily visible had they just looked in the vent). Canada: where the short, short arm of the law always prevails: when the killer is caught off guard by how incompetent they are.
@Anne Grey I agree with you. In my interviewing class we specifically studied this case and watched the police interviews. Creepiest thing I ever saw was her interview. After hours of watching I had to break it up over a week because I just couldn't shake this feeling of dread watching it.
I hope not
Goodness what a piece of filth
Canadian here, who lived in the Vancouver area for about a year. Thank you for listing the victims' names and for taking a humanizing approach to this story. Can confirm the police services in the area are lackluster, from unfortunate personal experience, and I've lived in several other provinces with similar issues.
When you said discarded indigenous id cards my heart sank. Too many of our sisters are taken and/or killed and the police hardly give them the time of day.
Same here. I had to pause the video and just think for a minute.
Dont worry same thing in australia with indigenous people its fcked.
So I was living in Van in 2001-2003 and my friends and I hung out at the goth/fetish events which were pretty much the same thing. I met a couple of people who had been to parties there and one girl said that the whole thing was SUPER creepy and it was all bikers. She told us never ever to go, no matter how much we, as girls, might want to get some free drugs. (I wasn't into drugs, so I was safe there!) But the look on her face was legit scared enough.
The whole issue of missing indigenous women being murdered/disappeared in BC is one of our biggest shames. Robert Pickton is just the large tip of a horrendous iceberg. There is a highway from Terrace to Prince George called the Highway of Tears because so many women have disappeared along it, and I've read that there could be more than one serial killer who has used it as their hunting ground.
I live in Washington, the Pig Farm murders is part of our regular history topic along side Ridgeway and his use of the green river. Soooooo many women were never cared about and forgotten. Pretty weird that we drive across the green river bridge routinely and many people still have horror stories.
I used to live off of E Hastings its batshit crazy. It's hard to explain how bad it is to those that haven't seen it.
@@HumanHamCube And Pickton was "underneath the cops noses". They had 500 suspects on the RCMP official investigation list, but 497 of those suspects lived in residence hotels with locked security entry, no money, no land, no vehicle, inotherwords, no real tools with which to accomplish anything. Pickton was a few months away from earning his Red Seal butchering designation!!!!
@@thedwightguy these folks are off the grid because either they don't want to be apart of society or they can't be. Folks can't get credit, cellphone, rent, laptop, job. Either they hocked those things for smack or they don't have the mental capacity to utilize them. But One thing is a tell when these folks especially women, don't show up to claim their checks, they are dead. The RCMP knew this and have a "trash take out trash" mentality. If Pickyon killed a woman in Yaletown. Vancouver the Queen would have been on it.
@@HumanHamCube they aren't "off grid" if they're are on the system, eh? And actually, your "analysis" is begging the known history of at least six of the victims. And "Claire" who disappeared in late summer 1991, owned a condo. in the west end of Vancouver. Virtually ALL had cell phones, except Andrea. The area in question was on the Vancouver Police watch. The RCMP was adjunct. And Bonnie got hooked through her husband. Both had jobs. AND that "trash takes out trash" mentality applies to all in society who think they're "normal", until life goes sideways.
The Mounties use attack beavers, not grizzlies. Grizzlies don't fit in the squad cars.
Just use your brains. Of course the grizzlies wouldn't fit in the squad cars. Yes your average squad car is filled to the brim with attack beavers. It's the Canadian Special Forces that use the grizzlies. Man. Kids today.
"Attack Beavers" sounds the name of a lesbian punk rock band.
@@gailcbull That's an awesome name.
Funny!
We also use trained Canadian geese instead of drones.
Simons best content: 90% random off topic rants 10% actually talking about the topic
Business Blaze. That's pretty much the entire channels premise. #FreeDanny
Would be rather short and much less interesting, if he didn't get off topic. 😁
I disagree. It’s why I more or less stopped watching Business Blaze. 😢
@@--enyo-- heretic! Jk, while I absolutely love B.Blaze I get it's not for everyone.
He is funny...... moans that Callum has written 17 pages but can't read one paragraph without inserting his own comments 😅
I think the best part about this channel is Simon is just as surprised as the audience. Love it. Keep at guys great work!!
My professor was one of the anthropology students who worked on looking for bodies on this farm, she said it was so much worse than was reported and a lot of students had mental breakdowns and needed therapy
Thank you for naming his victims. These women deserve to be remembered, not the pile of wasted carbon that ended their lives.
Amen
Blessed Be to that. I often this of the poor women whose lives ended in such a horrific way.
In their book about this case, "On The Farm", Stevie Cameron did the same thing including memories and accounts from relatives who loved each victim. It struck me as incredibly humanizing, especially having lived in the area while this all happened. ♥️🍍
@@PushyPushyPhoenix I'm going to have to find that book. While I appreciate the documentaries covering the case itself, I really would like to hear about the unfortunate victims as they were in life, in the words of those that knew them best. These women deserve to be remembered at their best, not for having their lives ended so horribly.
It will never happen, but I've always envisioned a movie about the victims of a serial killer that leads up to their last moments, but never shows or names the killer.
Probably wouldn't be a box office success, but I'd watch it.
Surely I'm not the only one who chuckles whenever Simon says "allegedly" 😂
Also, "In my opinion," and "So I've heard." Haha
Please don't sue me, I love money
You are absolutely not the only one.
a"Legend"ly
Simon had hair once... allegedly
Between this and Ed Gein, it seems like living on a farm and having an abusive mother is a recurring serial killer recipe.
Yep and a form of brain injury
after zu var, (World War One) Canada had a lot of questionable Eastern Bloc craphole types settle as no one really wanted to farm, and it escalated with WW2. We leased large tracts of acreage in the lower mainland and most of it was owned clear title by old ladies that had outlived everybody in their European family. I would bet they had some stories to tell. Canada also ended up asking no questions. I've met some pretty sketchy Germanic types that owned entire blocs of streets and drove a 500. car. The Pickton brother also owns a plot in a car junk area near the Pattulo Bridge. That parcel went for huge numbers if he's sold it. The GVRD District wanted all the car junk OUT. So these old school types keep cashing in on Vancouvers' insane price rises. I bought a Ford wing window from him. Remember the film "old Lions" with Duvall and Co.? He'd look right in place except in Canada we don't allow you to sit and discharge your shotgun from your front porch.
Yeah well how many people have ever killed an animal in 2021... it’s the same person killing thousands of animals for everyone else I’m sure that might make it easy
Or grandfather for Ted Bundy
You hit the nail on the head. Abusive parents is very much a determining factor in serial killer development but it isnt always a factor, although cases of nonabused people becoming serial killers is rather rare.
I live near by, and when the court case was going on my entire school was following it. It was huge, not only was this the biggest Canadian serial killer, it was also kind of in our back yard.
And yes, everyone was pissed at how badly the Vancouver PD handled the whole situation. It was disgusting.
I grew up down the road from the pig farm in the early 90’s. Yes can confirm there was a sign on his gate that said “No trespassing my dog has aids”. I used to have to walk past it while on my way to school! Gave me the creeps
My Dog has AIDS signage on his gate, might have been because the dog also might have consumed some of the human remains, of those victims who might have had AIDS...We live in a VERY SICK WORLD. Eh!
3:30 - Chapter 1 - The brothers
9:10 - Chapter 2 - Piggy palace Good time for society
12:55 - Chapter 3 - ER Scene
16:55 - Chapter 4 - The piggy palace good times weapons raid
21:40 - Chapter 5 - The full search
24:50 - Chapter 6 - Excavation
29:00 - Chapter 7 - The trial
36:20 - Chapter 8 - How the police failed the victims
39:35 - Chapter 9 - Did the others know ?
44:45 - Chapter 10 - 1 last bonus murder
48:05 - Dismembered appendices
as a pig farmer with 2500 pigs.. i can tell you, that 250 pigs will devour a 1500 pound cow in less than 12 hours if they go without any food for 30 hours.....
Remember that guy in Oregon just three/four years ago? Had a 500 lb. pet pig and all they found were his teeth. The pig has started to get uncontrollable and the investigation doesn't know if the owner maybe had a health "incident" and that's all you'd need to trigger an animals reaction.
Never trust a man that keeps a pig farm.
And you know this how???😬
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@@blondima it was a joke..towards thedwrightguy..nothing serious. So yeah, I can read. Not my best material but that's all. That's why the emoji!!
Don't worry, Simon. You're not the only one who still hasn't watched Tiger King.
I haven't watched it, for sure.
@@JustinGrays same
Nope. I haven't watched Tiger King. Don't plan to either. And I don't have to bc literally everyone who has seen it has commented on it at great length online.
I refuse to watch it.
I would rather gouge out my eyes with a grapefruit spoon than watch Tiger King...
For Simon's information, yes, the RCMP is basically the Canadian equivalent of the FBI and Secret Service (as in they provide security for dignitaries) as well as acting as the local police in much of the country. It's actually kind of incredible how much one agency does.
It's probably better and more efficient being one agency. In the US we have so many jurisdictional and bureaucratic overlaps that our system has massive issues sharing information and with accountability. We would be MUCH better off having city, county, state, federal and government security police rolled into one. As it is, even beyond those we have separate law enforcement agencies for our Post Office, military branches, tax agencies, and various food, agriculture, forestry, parks, alcohol, tobacco and firearm regulation departments. Frankly it's hugely inefficient.
@@ladygrndr9424 They are an institutionally racist, misogynist organization. So corrupt and incompetent they should be disbanded. This is not under desired; it’s the funding of a Blue Ribbon Commission.
I love how Simon is reacting to the script as he reads it. It's just as good as seeing someone's reaction to yer favourite movie scenes.
In most these episodes you say "why not go to the police?" But you also express the sense of "why wouldn't the police actually...you know...do their job?"
And when it comes to the lives of people that get written off because their profession or way of life, it makes a lot of sense that people dont go to the police
The truth is the police were notified about almost every missing woman, those reporting were dismissed until much, much later
Maybe because they both have glasses, beards, and a shaved head, but Simon looks a lot like the host of Business Blaze.
...allegedly
I was watching Mega Projects and thought the same thing. Then I watched Today I Found Out, whoa major coincidence!
@@xairman565 I know, right? He's got a lot of "cousins" out there!
What's Business Blaze?
@@TheCasualCriminalist Oh, Simon! You're so goofy :)
As an indigenous woman this is my biggest fear. America and Canada both continue to turn a blind eye to our needs and disappearances. I have friends who regularly post “I don’t plan on ending my life” because if we go missing we are ALWAYS assumed to just be “moving on” or “mentally unwell”
Agrreeeed. *hugs* its so awful :(
As a white Canadian woman, what you guys have to deal with, the ridiculous extent to which your lives aren't valued, is fucking bullshit. >:(
I grew up along the Highway of Tears, and lived in the Lower Mainland while all this was going down, and if they gave even the *slightest* shit about either the cops could have put a stop to it *very* quickly. But if the people "going missing" (we all know they're being fucking murdered; you don't say you're going to hitchhike home through that remote area and are never seen again because, what? You decided to keep going and run away to Disneyland? You could stash a body in a ditch on the side of the road twenty minutes out of town and no one would ever find you--or hear your murder) are Indigenous, then fuck them, I guess? >:(
The RCMP and also the Vancouver Police are *systemically* fucking racist (and sexist, misogynistic) assholes. They gave the stack of missing EastVan women files to some super junior policewoman, because they didn't consider any of it important enough for a "regular" cop to look over, and when she noticed the goddamned pattern and went, "Guys, I think we have a serial killer here and he's targeting these specific women in this specific area," she was told she watched too much goddamned TV and to get over herself!!
If Pickton had accidentally picked up some white chick from NorthVan who was out partying, and *she* had gone missing, *then* the cops might have actually been forced to pay attention. But the VCP are notoriously corrupt (and were widely known for it even back then), and had strong ties to the Hell's Angels, and I guess weren't going to risk that relationship for people they don't even seem to fucking regard as people. And the RCMP are no better.
I am really, really sorry and angry about how they treat First Nations people (them and the government). It's literal fucking genocide, under the Geneva Convention, and it needs to be stopped!!
All of indigenous people was destroyed by US and Canada. It’s Still happening
I am so sorry that indigenous women are going missing, being murdered and it's all just being ignored and not even investigated!!! I hope that one day this will change!! I am from the UK and when I hear this it makes me so angry, I really hope one day all those indigenous women who have been victims of murder will get justice and you and your community won't have to live in fear!!
That was my thought. That needs to be investigated and dealt with. Too many indigenous women go missing and nothing done about it.
Its insane how much effort Callum puts into these. I am currently writing the last stuff for my university degree and Callum writes two episodes per WEEK .. where this one alone has 70 pages.
For the sake of Canadian Pig Farmers, please note that they resent Pickton being presented as a Pig Farmer. He was a monster with some hellscape property that included a few pigs. And many, many corpses. Etc.
"I always wondered why in court if a woman's a prostitute she automatically has bad eyesight"
-Kevin Costner in that JFK movie lol.
Perhaps none of them can afford glasses.
They dont. I worked in the criminal justice system in the UK. Prostitutes were usually very good at giving evidence. But if they were addicts they were a nightmare to deal with whilst they were waiting to give evidence.
@@michaelbooth2890 I can just imagine how bad that could be for all involved if the addicts weren't leveled out at the time.
Got something in her eye? Lol
The woman who saw the body and then denied it knew that it would be gone by the time the police got there, and she'd be next.
Never assume that going to the police will keep you safe.
Honestly its so sad that the Canadian police will turn on you in court even as a victim. :'(
Then again, have fun dealing with the KNOWLEDGE that people have died under horrific circumstances and will never be redeemed BECAUSE you were too scared, too mistrusting and too selfish. Not saying that's all accurate or my opinion but you WILL live with those thoughts if you did let it continue to happen.
I'm living with someone who once let someone else get away and commit more such things - no details here but none needed - and trust me, she struggles with that after 10+ years now.
Yes, we've had fights over it and it's not always staying in the past either
@@YeeSoest avoiding a gruesome death is not "selfish", it's self-preservation. The fault lies with the police not wanting to trust witnesses.
@@YeeSoest: Normally I'd agree with you, but if she did stick to her story and then disappeared, I highly doubt that the corrupt local cops would bat an eye. The only reason that the farm got raided was due to the illegal weapons which prompted a FEDERAL response. Her going to the cops would've painted a bigger target on her back.
@@Charles_Anthony it has to do with police "culture" not "corruption. That word is used ad nauseum for all the wrong reasons. I was told women were disappearing by a lady .......in 1991. what's needed is a new outlook between the "poverty pimps" social workers whose jobs depend on the misfortune of others, and the police, who see it as an "Us against Them" game, and have a siege mentality. That why "de funding" is so critical. You need a completely different model of care.
This jerk killed a friend of mine. Thank you for bringing the info to light. Coquitlam sounds like this: Ko-Quit-Lam and in the native Indian language it means Smelly Fish.
Hugs from Esquimalt
I'm so sorry for your loss. This was a gut-wrenching tragedy
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fun bit - while working in victoria a tourist once asked me directions to get to "eskimo". it took my brain a few minutes to realize he meant esquimalt. There are many places that are hard to pronounce before you've heard someone else say them!
NO. Do NOT let Simon try and pronounce Esquimalt!
Hi fellow Esquimaltonian. I was trying to tell someone where I lived (years ago) and the best he could say back to me was "Eskimo-mold". 🙄 I remember this case, scared the bejeebus out of me, we all know people in Vancouver and surrounding area, it just felt too close to home.
I was so creeped out after this episode, I decided to watch a cooking show to help me calm down. What did I choose? A recipe for stuffed pork loin! The irony!!
Thank you for always illustrating true crime so well!! I really enjoy your channel. ❤️
Another common theme in true crime that makes me livid: The victims weren't "good girls," so police don't bother to investigate their deaths as much as they would with anyone else. That's why so many serial killers target sex workers. They know that police won't try as hard to find their killer. It's maddening.
As a Canadian, I’m surprised Karla Homolka and Paul Bernardo haven’t been covered by this channel yet. Very horrific case where Karla’s own sister, Tammy, was one of their victims.
As a Canadian you guzzle maple syrup daily, own more than one item with the Canadian flag and finish every sentence with eh, eh?
@@PlumSack79 No, no and uh, no. I do however have a hockey stick, in case someone breaks in.
@@selinesbeau Justice says you have no culture and are the first post nationalist nation. Do you agree with that simp spawn of Fidel Castro?
@@PlumSack79 what do your Canadian stereotypes have to do with what the person said? At least us Canucks can usually follow along in a conversation without randomly pointing out a bunch of stereotypes. I'm surprised Simon hasn't covered that case either as it's one of the worst in our history
Is that the Barbie and Ken murderers? I can't remember their names, but she got her little sister drunk/drugged up as a "gift" for her husband?boyfriend?
His brother David has been spotted trolling the Down town east side looking for women again, warnings have been put out and posters warning women of this are posted everywhere. I grew up only minutes away from the farm. I ran literally lnto Robert Pickton in a grocery store and the man smelled up the isle, could smell where he went after he left!. Co-quit-lam. :) love your channels Simon!
Can totally confirm. I live in Vancouver and DTES is still a sketchy area. And we have so many reports of attempted abductions and/or women being followed by complete strangers that are clearly not looking for directions.
Oh Jesus- think of The cashiers every time he bought groceries wondering what kind of meals he was making- pork chops and mash ? 🤢🤮
Wow. 😶
Pig farms generate a permeating stench that infects EVERYTHING around. It is disgustingly palpable. There's no way to wash it off, it just sticks and stinks.
Josue Andrade talking about what other pork recipes- was going to have pork on Chilada‘s tonight then switched to some chicken
We have a big big racism problem in Canada, and it’s so often waved away with ‘at least we’re not the states’ as if that absolves it. MMIW deserve justice.
In America they just killed all the natives. We tried to force ours to be white.
If your specifically talking about white people being the racist then hear in vancouver we don't have a problem. If your talking about non white racist then idn
there’s not a racism problem… there’s a people problem in general
Same excuse crunts use in Australia.
@@matthew-qu5siwell it lets racism keep happening because its the same thing that yanks do as well and point to another country so they dont have to deal with the under lying issue.
I like how Simon says "...and I never thank Jen.", and rolls on without thanking her.
anyone else think Simon is the nurse joy and officer jenny of youtubers, just a bunch of identical cousins and brothers running different channels? lol
i can just imagine meeting Simon and telling him "dude i love mega projects" and him replying "sorry that's my 2nd cousin on my moms side. I'm the Simon from business blaze, your boy with the blaze."
"Sorry to bother you friend, but we heard some reports that women have been disappearing from your meth parties. Think you boys could try being a little more careful eh, and OH MY GOD IS THAT A GUN!"
A dildo gun
@@Charles_Anthony Less dangerous but much more threatening.
@@krodmandoon3479 Meth wasn't around Vancouver, then. Heroin was the street drug of choice. Lower end couldn't AFFORD cocaine unless someone else was buying.
I mean legit the news about overdoses here is "take test dosages, and do it with friends" not drugs are bad don't do them. Try some first, and socially
Ugh... so this story hits home hard. In my partying days many a moon ago I'd been to Piggys Palace. Imagine my shock looking out my window one day and seeing a field nearby my own damn house covered in cops with hazmat suits marking off a massive area and the news blaring about how the owner of the farm may have dumped "extra parts" around the lower mainland, then seeing my house from a goddamn helicopter overhead of one of the fields the cops were searching. Yeah, my partying days ended pretty quick after that.
Prove it
@@Celtic_Iron Even Coquitlam city council people attended those parties.
God I don't know how this man got away for this shit for so long. I have a friend who lived on the streets in Victoria when she was in her early 20's and she met women who had fled Vancouver because they were terrified of ending up at the "Pig Farm". So many women needlessly and brutally died because the police chose not to do there jobs it's heartbreaking.
Picton got away with so many murders because he preyed on the underclass and drug users and that's why it's so sad .It was like the police didn't care because of the lifestyle of the victims. This happens all the time Even .Simon actually said dumb people . Commit more crimes nobody wants to admit it but the poor and out people don't really matter I hope this changes over time.
@@partickthompson1164 I hope it changes soon to. I don't normally believe in conspiracy type things but when you hear the whole in depth story I think the police knew, didn't care and turned a blind eye. To many people came forward with similar stories knowing details about anatomy the average person isn't going to know, for example human fat being yellow. It was clear these women were scared and why would so many make it up, not in my worst nightmares would I dream the stories of these witnesses up. The amount of witnesses to his crimes is appalling. I have a hard time believing he acted alone I think other men on that farm at worst participated at best let in continue with full knowledge of what was going on.
Police can only do so much, its the court system that's gets very tricky. As in, drug using witnesses could be seen as not the most trustworthy.
I'm not saying it's right but police ignore the plight of prostitutes
@@lemr88And addicts....especially both
"and a sprinkle of french zest for a sophisticated flavor" louisiana: *am i a joke to you.*
Well their cops sure are.
I'll see myself out
Yup, Louisiana is hilarious..
the alliteration in this script is incredible. a nice glimmer of lightness amidst the topic
Good lord I remember this one. I was working in Poco (port coquitlam) when this all went down.
Most of my co-workers at the time used to buy meat off his truck and I'm sure most of them are still vegetarians.
This happened about 45 min from my house. My mom knew The brothers. I mom used to work at a propane company that supplied their farm with propane.
Also one of his victims was my next door neighbours sister. So this is very very close to home for me and my family.
It’s pronounced Port kow·kwit·luhm
Thank you Simon and Callum, excellently written and delivered.
If only the police had been as competent at their job.
As a recovering addict and former prostitute, stories like this never fail to freak me out a little bit
Congratulations on turning your life around. 👏
as a 15 yr old runaway in 1970 in vancouver who was picked up hitchhiking near port c. and had to jump out of the car at a traffic light cause he wouldn't let me out... this story freaked me out also. pickton would have been 21 at the time. i have no real idea if this was him but, judging by the pic in this video, it might have been. regardless, this isn't the only reason why (the other is almost worse), i quit eating pork after this came out
@@vulcanfeline omg I'm so glad you made it out of that with your life!!
@@facepalm18 thx. me too
I love this youtube channel.
I fell asleep with this show running, from a playlist for serial killers and I couldn't figure out why I was in a bad mood. I realized I shouldn't watch this type of content when I'm not well rested. Although the content is grim, it is well presented by Simon. Keep up the good work.
Canada actually has a lot of firearms and hunters. Especially in the western provinces.
Yeah, a dude was target shooting next door this weekend.
Yhea but I'm fairly certain that it's a lot harder to buy guns in Canada than it is in most US states.
@@itarry4 I think it’s more used in hunting and sport - rather then going to Walmart - we also have different laws with brake and entry I think - hand hang guns - we also have way less people as well
@@itarry4 There are more rules, especially with the scary looking guns, but it's actually not hard or even expensive to get a license and buy a gun in Canada. The carry laws and self-defense laws are very different though. We're not even allowed to carry pepper spray I don't think lol.
@@jimjambananaslam3596 only bear spry (I think ) and you have to sigh a waver (most places) saying you won’t use it on people - i’ve been downwind when that has gone off accidentally and let me say it’s legitimately The worst thing that’s happened in a while
I just want to thank you for saying all of the confirmed victims’ names.
make a video about Canada’s highway of tears! very similar to this
If you want something on it, Crime Junkie by Audio Chuck Productions did a whole 2 part episode on the Highway of Tears!
I learned of this a couple of years back and still pray for those who have disappeared and those who may be in harm's way.
That would be good
No such thing as lower east side. Its proper name is the Downtown East Side, to our sorrow.
I do love that you're discovering the grim details at the same time as us Simon. These people are total scumbags!
Looked up this video after hearing it on Spotify and trying to picture you with your description of yourself (love the Moby meets Ralph Fiennes!). Somehow not what I had in my head for the previous 21 episodes but so glad I can now put a face to the voice. Keep up the great job 👍
I lived for years in a town house that over looked the farm. The brother still owns the farm and there's no way he didn't know what was going on.
I was working at a gas station about half an hour from Port Coquitlam at the time. One of my coworker's skeevy exes had taken her out to one of Pickton's parties, and she pointed out to me that it was the brother, David, who looked more like the police sketch; she was absolutely positive that it was him that had done the actual murders (although they were probably both in on it), and that he had manipulated his idiot brother into taking the fall alone. David later trying to pick up sex workers in the same area again certainly looks like it to me.
Oh honey
I'd be moving
They are a piece of filth both.
I'm creeped out 4 you...
@@lindaarrington9397 Oh, no worries; I'm on the other side of the country now heh
Does make you wonder if he was the only one active.
@@Areyousayingidontknowmyname Let me do the math that the police haven't: The drug of choice was heroin, the bikers at the time controlled heroin, and ALL the victims drug of choice was..heroin. The Picktons were very, very close to the known bikers, and ,, in fact, the guy that first called the attention to the farm was intervened, told to move, and went to the island, by the bikers. That was three years BEFORE THIS case came down. He's ON RECORD and ON VIDEO that was done on the story. Leave, or you'll get taken out.
Thank you for honouring the victims. This man is a waste of skin...period.
Can you guys do a video on the highway of tears? I know it’s not one singular crime or perpetrator, but it’s an incredibly sad topic that doesn’t get near enough attention.
I'd like to see more coverage of that myself.
The indigenous women who have disappeared on this highway deserve coverage also.
@@anishawoods8443 They most certainly do. Their stories need to be held, too. They had lives, families, hopes, and dreams and their lives, hopes, and dreams were cruelly snuffed out.
th-cam.com/video/Q-gRYS3LXvA/w-d-xo.html CBC did a doc on it a few years ago, heartbreaking. 💔
Agreed. I’ve watched a few documentaries, but there isn’t enough coverage
As a Vancouver resident I found all the stereotypes and mispronunciations super entertaining. Carry on, I loved this. Favorite episode
The way he tries to pronounce Coquitlam 😂
I've seen alot of documentaries and stories of Canadian crime. Gotta say, their police and legal system has a tendency for incompetence.
As a wee Canadian kid at the time this was all going down, I remember being terrified of this case. Now I'm just bewildered by it.
My Mom had it on the news and was not happy having to explain it to me, her young daughter.
There was an episode of Criminal Minds where a man killed people and had his mentally handicapped brother feed them to pigs and that brother collected their shoes
Had to think of that episode, too
Or rather those episodes.
I remember that episode.
damn
Yeah, there's a few changes, but I can only think this is where they got the inspiration from. IIRC they were actually kidnapping people and taking them over the border to Canada. Basically one brother was totally paralyzed, and trying to cure himself with other people's spinal fluid. The handicapped brother would extract the fluid and feed the bodies to the pigs, all while the paralyzed brother enjoyed to watch.. One of the more horrific episodes!
It's how Mason Verger planned to get rid of Hannibal in the titular movie starring Anthony Hopkins, as well. It's been known for ages that you don't want to fall into the pig pen when the pigs are hungry; wouldn't be surprised if multiple irl killers were using them as a disposal method, as well as multiple shows.
“You know who he actually looks like? Binging with Babish.”
Simon: *mentions Babish*
“Nice to know I’m not alone, at least.”
I binge enough of both videos to know they don’t look anything alike but the shoutout still amused me.
Here we get a deep dive into Simon's mind. He doesn't know who many prominent people are but immediately identifies an obscure nobody-porn star. Thanks for this Simon, it gave me a good laugh.
This is the weirdest episode of Binging With Babish I've ever seen.
"Come on police this is your job." I guess you could say the are casual criminalists.
Simon doesn't mention VSauce. Wild.
Still waiting for that one day where they host for each other's show and say nothing about it
Its already happened. I forgot which episode, but i guess you missed it.
My child frequently calls him The British Matthew Santoro
What is Vsauce, is that a show or a person?
@@jaymeVos Simon complains that people mix him up with "Michael from Vsauce".
@@badluck5647 wait, you’re telling me that michael from vsauce hasn’t been uploading because he’s actually been incognito as simon from [one of eleven channels here] this whole time?! THE CONSPIRACY!
Thanks for doing this one, Grew up in Poco and was in high school when he was arrested. I even remember older friends that talked about parties at "The Farm". the whole thing is so fucked up
I absolutely love listening to you weave these stories. I love your humor!
My uncle met this guy and told me all about it. He was working as an archaeologist back then and did an impact study on the area where the Picktons built their party shack. He recalled meeting the dude and described his smell as "fresh skunk musk on top of rotting corpses." Apparently Bobby-Willy led my uncle over a bunch of freshly dug land talking about "future projects," and how he could ensure no government-overseen digging was done before his next construction project for the spot they were standing. My uncle was so scared that there was bodies underneath his feet that he insisted on doing the survey for the shack, rushed the job, and hightailed it out of there after finding nothing of cultural or archaeological significance. He is sure that he was standing over the ramshackle graves of some victims that day.
.... this is actually a touchy subject to me as I lived in BC during this time and also knew a fellow peer of mine (she mention in high-school to me)... her aunt was murdered by him. MMIWG ♡♡♡ never forget ♡♡♡ so sad 😞
This story was the inspiration for a double episode of Criminal Minds
Episode 1 was called “To Hell” episode 2 was called “And Back “
I was wondering if anyone else would make this comment, the first thing I thought of when I saw the title of the video was those episodes
I have been getting Criminal Minds deja vu on a lot of these crime shows. Never imagined this stuff really happened. Humanity is sick.
knowing it was inspired by true events just makes those episodes so much more creepy and sad. How horrible...
Was thinking the same thing.
IMO, this pair of episodes was one of the better written stories of the series. While there wasn't actual gore, much was eluded to. Hitchcock was a master at this, and scared the begesus out of us by letting the carnage take place in our minds, leaving a trail of Hershey's syrup to circle the drain.
Canadians, Aussies, and Brits have plenty of privately owned guns, it's just that there are far stricter controls on who can own one and why they can own it. For example, I have plenty of British friends who own a shotgun for sporting purposes.
My dad's in the army and he can't have firearms at home because there's children, he has to keep them in a gun locker at a shooting range. I mean you just have to look at the numbers to realize countries like America need stricter gun laws
@@LillaKriger Easier said than done when it's in the Constitution itself. Apparently we need a new Constitution, for multiple reasons.
Apparently that's an outright lie about guns being 2nd amendment right or whatever . Closer look did a recent episode
Yes, you just can't own semi automatics and assault rifles. Plenty of farmers and hunters have the gun they need while having gun safes and checks prior to owning 1
@@annaohare8263 also, no handguns in the UK. Shotguns are widely owned and used for sport or pests though (they're quite lightly regulated in the UK in terms of being able to get a licence to own one, you have a few hoops to jump through and a background check to pass but it's all pretty simple and pretty inexpensive), rifles are a bit harder to get a licence for and even harder to get ammunition for but there are plenty of rifle owners in the UK in spite of this.
Absolute classic.. more people need this series in there lives
This is such an overlooked case. He knew his victims “didn’t matter” and knew pigs ate literally everything. I remember being a kid when he got caught and the news saying to make sure all pork was cooked well to kill the HEP C and HIV
I remember this. My friend lived down the road from the farm. All I could think of while you were reading this is ... it gets worse.
David is just as guilty in my eyes. Linda their sister took her money from the sale of the farm and ran. She wants Nothing to With her ‘family’
Also gangs may have used the pigs as a way to dispose of bodies as well.
Const. super would tell me they used the farm for dumping material, and the brothers would freak out about where to dump, as if they had something to hid. What I don't understand is that the Crown officially put in a "cut off" date of 1995. When I ran the Metropole Hotel in 1992 I was being told by some pretty credible people that women were disappearing. Why the date cut? That doesn't make sense. By 1997 all these women were at the end of their street life, and virtually all were heroin users, no cocaine or meth. Bikers controlled heroin. That thread has never been looked at, though millions were spent on the so-called investigations. In fact, I believe "Claire" is one of the Jane Doe's not identified. For other reasons, I actually went through a decade where the RCMP REFUSED to talk to me (another issue not related), but i fthey had Claire disappeared in late summer 1992. I believe she's on the farm.
I think Criminal Minds did an episode based on/inspired by this once. I remember that the characters thought it was unusually horrifying even for their cases.
Yeah the 2 Ep. To hell.. and back
Yup.
I haven't watched Tiger King either, Simon. I find it very hard to believe we are missing out on anything, though, lol.
Me either! Mostly because I don't want to see animal mistreatment, but I agree that these things usually don't live up to the hype around them.
As someone who has seen it, you are not. You're definitely not missing anything.
I do recommend watching Joe Exotic’s rant on the n word on TH-cam though
I'll say this, I don't know what's a bigger speculation. Carol didn't kill her husband or the brother didn't know anything about the dead sex workers?
Ditto
Such a horrible case so many killers get away with their crimes because the cops don't believe a victim. Thank you for covering this crime and naming the victims. He should have gotten a longer sentence and the victims who didn't get justice deserve it.
I've watched several of your videos in the past few days and the fact that you currently live in my country was the biggest plot twist of all the Casual Criminalist I've watched. I was NOT expecting that! 😂
The land values around a pig or chicken farm vary greatly with the prevailing winds
Makes sense!
GO CALLUM! You are living my dream bro. Writing stuff that is published, informative and you make a buck or two from it. Love ya work mate.
The drug problem in Vancouver and the lower mainland is real. And it's truly terrible... there are more deranged evil dealers and pimps than you could imagine. Lost my sister to that city. The war on drugs has failed.
Remeber Vancouver is the only place in Canada with a warm enough winter that homeless and druggies can live outside. They congregate in the DTES but is could be any location. Surrey, Abbotsford and Chilliwack are just as bad.
I've watched some of your newer stuff and when you started off quick like, I literally said, "Whoa whistle boy."
I love your channels and I've been binge watching them 😂🤣😂🤣
Before this I watched a different video about this. Only 15min long, good, but woh!, yours has so much more info. So tragic and just plain off insane. Feel bad fir the victims. Thank you for all the extra hard work.
Every time I think I've found all of Simon's channels another seems to appear from nowhere. Not that I'm complaining of course, gives me more to watch whilst I'm drawing 😂
Completely agree. I wonder does he sleep? But I have to say that all his "shows". Are pretty good. Haven't been disappointed
It sounds like their mother would have got along famously with Augusta Gein.
Truth
WE leased large acreage for decades in this area until values sky rocketed . Most of the acreage (Hectares in Canada( was clear tittle as the big banks didn't loan on unimproved land, unless you were a large Corporation. Most were owned by European immigrants that had fled Europe. Several passed with no heirs. They must have had some harrowing stories to tell. You don't get over that kind of "deliberately induced trauma" easilly, and most of them were very, very uneducated, even in their original language.
My eldest nephew works in demolition...he loves it. It also pays very well and it's something that you're taught on-site. He didn't even graduate high school. He makes over $36 an hour (at the minimum) and just has to supervise his guys, set the lines, and instruct the people to be far enough away in a foxhole (usually) then he pushes the button. Hours of tedious work for a few seconds of bangin' work.
Meanwhile the people he’s watching make far less, do far more and have added requirements and added risk, I imagine.
@@ChickenLiver911 What's your point? It's not like he's some multibillionaire CEO deciding to pay employees minimum wage. Go after them, not some random demolition worker.
The giving a farm kid a baby animal and making them kill it actually used to be super common. It was to make them tough.
Upsetting story to follow:
My dad was a farm kid in the fifties. His mom gave him a baby chick for Easter one year. His father (who suffered and would eventually die from alcoholism) decided my dad was too soft. So he made Dad kill his pet chicken, then took a photo of Dad holding the headless body.
Oh, by the way, my father was FIVE years old at the time.
Luckily for me and my little brother, Dad did not grow up to be a monster himself. He still struggles with emotions to this day. He often doesn’t understand a lot of emotions, but he has always been wonderfully kind to us. He’s also an avid animal lover and insists he prefers the company of cats to people.
Update 5/31/24: Just read that Robert Pickton was assaulted in prison by another inmate and died today from the resulting injuries
It’s neat to see someone reviewing this recently, my father as well as my god father used to go to the picktons after hours during the time of their running. Also a bit of a terrifying fact, David pickton has been seen in Vancouver BC and all around the lower mainland, A lot of women/children have gone missing as well
Also- mild mispronunciation of Port Coquitlam, break up Co-Quit-Lam like that and that’s how you pronounce it (I live a few towns over and struggle with the name at times)
@@xstxnxrjpeg indeed. more "co" and less "coq" (or less cock, if you find that easier to remember....)
Has anyone ever seen Moby and Simon in the same room, at the same time?
Or V Sauce and Lex Luther?
I would love to see Simon in a unicorn horn though. He's already got the zebra mask, why not a unicorn horn?
👀🤔 lol
@@christinebenson518 my heart couldn't take it
Moby and Simon in the same room, it must have been at one of those large family reunions.
*Listens to Simon struggle to pronounce foreign names again* - immediately clicks "Like" button
I was in high school at the time this happened and I was so shocked about it happening in Canada, that I remember buying a Toronto Star Newspaper with the story on the front page of it and I think I still have it somewhere to this day because this doesn't happened here right? Still in shock that it did and does. So messed up and so sad for those who lost loved ones. Such a terrible tragedy.
We listen to your podcast via Amazon music . Not really sure if we can leave review there but.... we love listening and watching all your channels. Keep the information coming
British Columbia has a pretty solid history of serial killers. My dad was an RCMP officer from the 70's to the 00's and knew one of the investigators working on the Clifford Olson case. He said the details were too gruesome for the news to report and he didn't want to ever think about it again. He saw some terrible things in his 30 year career but those details were too much. Dude was a monster.
Simon should do Olson. That shit was seeeeeeeriously messed up. I hope CRO rotting in hell!
There sure seems to be something about the north American northwest that breeds serial killers.
I’m from Vancouver Island. I remember when it went out on the news that some of the pork was most likely contaminated. I’ve never been more relieved to be vegetarian!
How about a Casual Criminalist written by Danny and edited by Sam? I'm just curious what would happen if you swapped a few of your writers and editors around? 'Top Tenz - In Meme Form'.
I think the first was written by Danny (It was before Simon got him a roommate in the basement)
Danny could write about what happens in his basement. And Sam would definitely kill it with the vintage OGBB memes!
That would be very interesting.
No
Danny's autobiography of his abduction and incarceration by Simon? Allegedly.
'they sold off the land piece by piece, pocketing a pretty penny in the process'....LOVE the alliteration Callum..and LOVE hearing Simon say it....l0l
Don't feel badly, Simon. I only made it about halfway through the preview for Tiger King. It was painfully obvious, in the first few minutes, that it was the Jerry Springer of documentaries. While I can't speak with one hundred percent certainty, I still feel very strongly that neither of us has missed anything of any importance whatsoever. It's rare, but this time I'll claim that ignorance is bliss :)
Most Canadian crime ever, Great Maple Syrup Heist. That is a real crime that happened in Canada
There's also a maple syrup cartel.
I hope it's more interesting than the Molasses Flood
@@DigitalYojimbo this is legit what i was about to comment.
I'm from Canada, there was an inquiry into why the police didn't catch him sooner. One of the problems is that this happened close to the " the highway of tears" where 18 - 40 women (depending on who you ask) have gone missing since the 70's. Many believe that there is at least one serial killer hunting alone that highway.
It’s much more likely that there are several serial killers working the highway.
@@misskate3815 Agreed! that's why I said at least!
They didn’t look into a sighting of a corpse.
No excuse
@@fastinradfordable the cops totally shit the bed. If I remember correctly, not enough RCMP lost there jobs after this.
Or maybe violence against women, particularly indigenous women, not being investigated is just an incredibly widespread systemic problem and it’s not serial killers just many, many shitheads who get away with this stuff because it’s not adequately investigated. 🤷♀️ We like to blame ‘serial killers’ because they’re somehow an aberration, or an ‘other’ and we don’t have to face up to deep rooted problems in society,
David Pickton totally let his brother Willy Pickton take the fall for all the murders at the pig farm.........David lived elsewhere but would go to the farm and do his gruesome shit and then split leaving Willy behind to live on the farm
I agree but willy
Robert... did it to
I think
@@lindaarrington9397 oh yeah they were both in on it
I would LOVE to see (I watch Casual Criminalist on YT, along with all of Simon's channels since I love history!) an episode on Leonard Lake and Charles Ng. Hopefully, the more people learn of these horrible people and can glean any patterns the fewer victims we will hear about in the future!
I remember the trial in Calgary, to deport Charles back to the US. Disgusting pos he was!
I feel like it would be too much for Simon. There is no way to cover that case in non stomach churning fashion (althought Last podcast did there best.)
Mounted police is the federal/ national police whose jurisdiction extends to the whole country. In India we have CBI, and the US, the FBI. The benefit of having a central enforcement agency is that they do not have to deal with geographical limits of the jurisdictions.
Thanks for the video. Subscribed.