I think one of the funniest things about Bastion’s OW2 balance patches is the community’s reaction to seeing the nerf “Removed the Ability to land Headshots” from Configuration: Artillery, everything I saw when that Patch Notes went live was “Wait, he could headshot in Artillery?”
I often find myself comparing Bastion to, of all things, the Peashooter from the Plants vs Zombies Garden Warfare series, given how both of them revolve around an ability that allows them to root into the ground to gain access to a more powerful Gatling Gun primary. Comparatively, Peashooter’s Pea Gatling has the transformation tied to its (limited) ammo, and while it is on a recharge, Pea Gatling refreshes instantly if you have full ammo, and later iterations have Pea Gatling’s recharge time tied to the ammo you spend in the form, so shooting less means you get the ability back more quickly. Plus, Peashooter has plenty of power in his base form to afford not being in Gatling, but both modes still have distinct enough strengths and weaknesses to warrant switching from one to the other.
@@psychicjellyfish9466 Bro nice to see a fellow gw fan. Also both have a throwable explosive that they could launch themselves with (although much harder on Peashooter)
I call them stance characters due to my fighting game addiction lol, I'm surprised there isn't a character that has no ultimate but completely swaps between 2 different characters in 1
In my opinion literally all they have to do is revert the rework, but keep the grenade, maybe it can replace self heal when not in turret form? Also make so he can headshot in turret form again, at the cost of losing some base damage, actually rewarding good players while not just straight up buffing him for all ranks
Or hell, make it a mix of the two. Recon form has the perfectly accurate smg, the grenade, and higher movement speed compared to the other form, at the cost of dps and tankiness Rename configuration: assault back to sentry. Give it self-repair as a channelled ability, but let Bastion hold crouch to root in place for increased accuracy and rate of fire when in this form, like old turret form. Higher damage and survivability, at the cost of mobility and accuracy when on the move. They can either maintain Artillery Configuration, or have it be he either goes into Artillery or Tank configuration based on his current configuration (recon becomes tank, sentry becomes artillery)
@@sev1120 Actually, the dual ult option based on form sounds rad. If you let sentry be permanent but weak when moving, then you can really shape the kit to be a dual-form character - honestly, I might be want recon to be lower health but even faster. You'd probably have to slow down the swap if you did that, so you don't have too much flanking bastion.
I think the bastion's ult feels a bit choppy to use, Standing still while ulting just interrupts the flow, the overwatch 1 ult just feels more smooth to use, (and it's more fun to use, and more op :) ) The overwatch 1 ult should be put back in the game. Also, no stream today? :(
I absolutely miss tank form ult, artillery is just so much of a let down by comparison, it was so satisfying to aim and so satisfying to use its movement tech to get into high ground positions and it was made even better by the fact that back then turret mode was theoretically permanent and this combination was what led to one of the most viewed overwatch league twitch clips of all time where architect tank jumped up to the chandeliers of eichenwalde last and completely shut down the enemy team from contesting, tank could even be readded entirely unchanged thanks to the hp changes that allow every non widowmaker and tracer squishy to survive a hit from full health
Bastions turret should be a resource not a cool down that way he can still be threatening a majority of the time, having him move is very good for his overall playstyle
I am so happy you made this video. As a Bastion myself I have nearly given up on him (been maining him for more than 6 years) after the armour patch. And nobody talks about him, ever. It sucks that many people still think he doesn’t deserve a buff.
When the community crafted gamemode came around, i was so happy being able to play bastion since it felt like i could actually do something instead of hanging far back with my team and never using my tank form
What I think is the worst thing on bastion’s kit is the fact that this game does not know what floor is, an elevation smaller than an atom is already enough for the nade to go to the other side of the map
this could sound like the ramblings of a lunatic but maybe make it to where he has 3 forms that once switched to you stay that form till manually switched/emp but when switched from that form it goes on cooldown. recon: same as recon now you run in a mix of armor/health you have a grenade and can switch between the two new forms. sentry: you turn into a sentry that is immobile and gets the ironclad passive and the grenade is switched out for self-repair or he has a movement bar that allows you to move around a little before recharging when standing still, upon standing still for a few seconds he locks down into a sentry like playstyle granting him some buffs/nerfs when moving or standing still. NEW rush/assault: if anyone looks at bastions emotes do you see/remember the one where his eye turns red, and he hunkers down? his new stance would be closer to that and all of his armor gets turned into hp and the ironclad passive doesn't activate but he gains movement speed, has the shotgun from April fools/mirror watch, and he can use either grenade or a buff that gives him faster fire rate maybe movement speed and a single use bap like jump that when used ends the ability early. tank: just bring back tank ... please?
If their intention is to keep the new raid boss tanks and armour changes, I think the best solution is to move him to the tank role. Rework him for some extra survivability, bring back tank mode. He's one of the easiest heroes to shoot in the game, above multiple tanks who have more survivability. He loses basically any DPS 1v1. He requires a pocket to be enjoyable which are resources taken away from the tank (the most important role) Make him a tank, he'd be like a minigun-based Ramattra.
So, I'm insane, but bring back beta bastion with late OW1 selfheal and make him a tank. No, I don't mean just bring back Configuration: Tank, I mean make him a tank. Stationary turret mode with a big, tough frontal shield but can only turn 90 degrees in either direction. 450 total HP including armor. Late OW1 self-repair, put the current grenade on E. Shield only regenerates while in Configuration: Recon, so you have an ebb and flow and don't just sit in sentry forever(not too sure about this one). And bring back Configuration: Tank as his ult and give him a bunch of bonus health during it. Is this balanced? Probably not. Is this a good idea? Probably not! But is this is a hilarious yet fun idea? I'll leave that to y'all to think about.
@@beywheelzhater8930 counterpoint: we would now have a literal tank as a tank. I don't care how stressful and unfun the rest of the situation is, if I get to scream "I AM A TANK TANK" every time I ult, it would still evoke primal joy in me
Loved the video! My thoughts on changes are quite extensive so I’ll just tell my thoughts on the ultimate. Bring tank back of course. Like you said it fits the current game a lot better. Make it 200-225 direct hit. During the ultimate replace grenade with self-repair, but make it heal 50% more hp/s than before with 3 seconds of resources. Makes him reliant on learning the rocket jump for maximum value as well as raising the skill ceiling, and the self healing changes makes it so that he doesn’t have to spend the entire ultimate healing himself (because he’s a target in his ult) Ps I miss the old Ultimate voice line man, ICONIC 😅
Idk what the hell they were thinking getting rid of one of the most fun ults in the game, to replace his ult with 3 of the worst feeling ults to use in the game. Who thought people would like this more than rocket jumping and airshotting flyers as a freaking tank?!?!??
I used to main Bastion as one of my dps's in OW1 and he was tons of fun. Current version of him is still good too but I think it definitely needs some tweaks here and there. The changes you proposed for him are very in line as to how I would change him, specially with the flying stationary turret thing, that sounds hilarious to see! Another change I'd do would be regarding the Lego skin. It's my favorite Bastion skin by far, but the sound design of the primary fire bugs me and makes me feel like I'm shooting with a nerf gun. Which I get it's what they were going for and was probably requested by Lego themselves but I'd like to be able to change it in the options menu or something, idk.
I think he just needs more agency, a better ultimate, and self repair back on ability 2 (or just another ability). Rn he’s kinda just worse soldier 80% of the time. Tactical grenade needs to be a bit more consistent upon death, because it feels like half of the time it can’t decide whether it will despawn or not, even if you stick an enemy. I’d much rather the higher damage assault form than lower damage but the ability to headshot, and would personally prefer to keep assault over sentry. Reducing (or removing) the self damage on grenade is also on the table to be honest. Not all of these need to go through for me to be happy but I’d take at least a few.
I Love ur idea for a bastion rework and I 100% agree with you, but I personally would keep the 50 self damage to nade, but give self heal back and put nade on E.
mirrorwatch bastion had some fun ideas with recon mode being a tracking shotgun mode, so what if they just made turret mode have a tighter spread to be the long range option
I’ll stand by the fact that my favorite change of Day 1 OW2 was Bastion. He actually felt fun to play as someone who didn’t like Bastion in OW1 But you’re completely right on the money that he’s just not allowed to be threatening to Tanks. I play Ball and can safely say that, even though design-wise I should be afraid of Bastion, he is just so easy to delete if you catch him off cooldown
Some new ultimate ideas for Bastion: Configuration Infantry: Turns into Soldier 76 for 8 seconds Configuration Battleship: Teleports into the sea and shoots 12 artillery salvos simultaneously into the enemy team, fails if the map does not have a sea Configuration Fighter Jet: Goes into the sky and immediately kills anyone not touching the ground
I think, they should revert the rework, but changes the forms, making the tank an ability and the turret the ult, then we can talk if having these changes it would be better if he was a tank role o stay on dps. But It would be a much better fun idea
I think it would go a long way is Reconfigure swapped Self-Repair out for A-36 Tactical Grenade, lower Assault form's gun to 9 damage and the cooldown of grenade to 4 seconds (or restore Ammo and make Reconfigure work like OW1) . Despite this turning Assault into a more hybrid of Sentry and Tank, I'd still say Tank should come back.
I have the opposite idea, bring back repair but only in assault mode. But yeah a return to ammo and lower damage instead of a cooldown would make the two forms feel more different. Also make the nade do no self-damage so it can be used for more mobility while in recon mode. Basically, the two forms should be centered around mobility and range for recon, with nade to confirm kills, while assault is more for defense and area denial with its damage resistance, heal, and lack of a head hitbox.
Suggestion that migth lead to bastion being op: bring back overwatch 1 bastion, but he keeps the grenade so now he has both grenade and self heal and stationary sentry and tank ult
If I were running Overwatch I would personally remove role passive and give each character their own passive that benefits their playstyle and is balanced around them. I would make Bastion have stationary turret with grenade like you said and give hime the tank ult back. But for his personal passive I would make it an out of combat regen that plays the self repair animation and slowly brings him to full health like the current regen passive everyone has. It works and keeps the theme of Bastion being a self repairing war machine.
Honestly i love your idea for the rework, and i think it also fixes one big problem i have with current bastion, a break of design, bastions model was so well designed to show how his body changed into sentry form, but now he just jumps, spins and BOOM! tank treds! it sucks to see something so cool just removed for something worse
- Bring back Tank Form - Bring back self-repair and keep grenade (i.e. grenade on E, repair on RMB) - Increase Recon Mode rate of fire, feels super awkward as is (adjust damage to compensate)
With Tank Config being such an interesting part of OW1 Bastion's kit, I wonder what it would be like to give Assault Config an alt-fire that resembles Tank Config's primary fire (nerfed damage-wise, since it's on a basic ability). Bastion can use it to more frequently rocket-jump. A lot of the various escape abilities become less reliable if Bastion can persue as well. As for Artillery, I think its unfortunate design is the result of existing skins. If Assault mode takes the minigun and mashes it with the tank treads, then Bastion's other mode is going to mash the tank cannon with sentry's stationary legs. They've got the art assets there and it'd be a lot of work to make more or further tweaks. Artillery also does feel like a response to discourage bunker and pirate comps, but those don't really exist to the same degree in OW2, sooo I dunno.
15:54 I wheezed so hard when you said exist LMAO, I can't, it caught me so off guard. Smth funny is that despite being a junkrat main, originaly, when I came back on ow2 with a few memories of ow1, I wanted to be a bastion main, but seeing the lost of tankform and the lost of the multiple form identity just kinda killed the hype for me. He is still my favorite hitscan to play, but I am sad to see the state he is in. If I were to truly suggest stuff for bastion here is what I would do: Bring back tank form Give him the infinite turret form back but allow him to move like in ow2 Remove the speed penalty in turret form Reduce the spread, reduce his base dmg but allow him to headshot in turret form. Also add a dmg falloff on 20m Give him self-repair on his e Increase sentry form dmg a lil bit. Mostly the idea would be him using turret form for quick dmg burst on close-midranges and also when he needs a bit more survivability with the ironclad passive, and him using sentry for longer range poke and the nade burst combos and more of in the neutral pokier style fights Reducing the turret form dmg would make it worse into armor and get him a bit away from that tankbuster idea that is so harmful in ow2, and that would also make him not break with infinite turret form And what I am with all of this is to go back to that multiple form identity and have each form have its own purpose
They should have never removed his tank form. Ideal bastion to me is ow1 bastion, with his new recon gun, plus his funny grenade thing. Reduce the power on healing and make turret form have a cooldown and limited ammo. Boom, perfectly balanced. You can play old bastion in the corner with rein, but you have to switch out of turret once you run out of ammo, giving the attackers time to push or dive you. Accurate rifle and mobility grenade incentives aggressive bastion plays, limiting the amount of corner camping. And a low skill floor, high skill ceiling ult incentivizes play at every level.
Actually I would like them to bring back the Tank Configuration while keeping the Artillery Mode. Bastion’s whole switcheroo stance hero design can also be highlighted with two Ult Modes. I would love to see a version of Bastion where you hit Q to activate Ultimate and you get a hud option between Artillery and Tank Mode. Imagine Bastion being the definitive Tempo hero alongside Ramattra. Yes I am huffing copium
Not speaking from a competitive perspective, the flexibility of being able to move while in turret form is a nice qol change for me, reminds me of playing heavy from tf2. Maybe a trade off for removing the cooldown is make the cast time in and out of config longer and lower the movement speed more during the config. but mainly id want them to revert artillery as well
in ow1, i was just a young little boy, who didn't do the tutorial, so guess what heros i picked up, that's right, bastion, tracer and later orisa and sombra. Bastion was fun and simple to understand, he was my fav hero, now, Pharah and D.Va took his place, he currently isn't what i liked for all this time, and i just... miss the old version.
I think having an alternative form on a duration is a design crutch. A good form switcher should only change its form because the player decides it isn’t the correct choice for the current situation. Bastion desperately needs more skill expression, and having a weaker but infinite turret mode would give players the ability to use game sense to decide what form they should be using. Both rammatra and bastion gameplay is just waiting for the transform cooldown. Rammatra atleast has different abilities in the different forms. His shield gives him atleast a tiny valid reason for being in his small form. Bastion has no reason to be in his normal form unless he’s walking to objectives or team fights.
Rework idea: Remove assault mode Add Tank configuration: 5 shots per reload with a mid damage (like phara's rockets) Damange reduction in tank mode:15% Speed reduction in tank mode: 45% Artillery: 4 shots, every shot have knockback
bastion i think would feel a lot more dynamic and interesting if you could always switch between assault and recon mode without that cooldown, kinda like how it worked in ow1. ofc i would want them to tune down assault a lot, but i would also like if recon had more power put into it as well. it'd be cool to have this style where you constantly switch between assault and recon for either short range burst damage or mid to long range damage, with the downside being the lack of utility and knowing when to switch to what mode. i think it'd be less jarring and make both modes compliment each other rather than one just being a kill mode on a cooldown. also being able to move is so crucial to any fps that idk how you could make old sentry work without being too niche or too overwhelming. assault is a good change imo, i just want it to have more flexibility albeit at the cost of damage and/or range. also ALSO tank configuration should 100% return that ult is cool asf. great video as always!!! excited to see whatever else you make.
Reconfigure should let bastion cycle between 3 modes. 1) Recon - as is now, but can do headshot damage. This would be the central mode! 2) Tank - (old bastion ult) but nerfed. slow the projectiles down and reduce the damage per shot - maybe like 4-5 bullets max before a loonnnng reload time. 3) Assault or Sentry as it used to be He keeps the grenade but for mobility/disruption in Recon and Assault. Ultimate - same as it currently is; he'd be quite mobile in every other aspect of his kit
I love Tank Configuration and agree it works better in 2 but I always imagined it would be a little over tuned in the 5v5 format. It’s pretty easy to land direct shots deleing squishies instantly and with one less tank to distract and absorb tank shells it feels like a free pick 100% of the time. I can envision a universe where day one Ow2 meta was Sojourn and Bastion cycling their ults to cover each other’s downtime and win every team fight through one shots. I really REALLY wanted to like Artillery. I was so happy to see them move away from the philosophy that Bastion having an ult that disconnects from him didn’t fit the character which is why they scrapped the Remote mine ultimate way back then before the beta. I like the idea of Bastion having a Swiss Army knife of a kit, but maaaan Artillery just sucks and feels useless a lot of the time. The game moves so fast that I can’t even get good zoning out of it. Always wanted them to lean heavy on the transforming robot aspect when they first talked about a rework though. Make Bastion a jack of all trades ready to fit any team comp. I wanna see him turn into a ATV and zoom around the field with Tracer and Lucio, I wanna see him go Tank as an ability and slowly push up with his Rein providing cover fire, I want his ultimate to turn him into a Apache Helicopter ready to fly out with Dva Pharah Echo Mercy. There’s just so many cool things you could with Bastion that I’d love to see
My idea for bastion rework Turret form on resource meter and can swap whenever Self heal ability while in turret form Tank form brought back but you can choose artillery or tank like how symmetra used to be
Id be fine bringing tank form back. Would be way better than now. As far as balance, I do like of turret is now a cooldown because that gives counter play, but he also is a bit of a noob stomper. The number of times I see my teammate just w into a bastion turret and explode 20 time in a match are to many to count.
I agree entirely. Everything in ow2 bastion (except the nade) is just horrible, including the fire rate in recon. I always loved machine guns in fps games, and the only hitscan options were soldier and bastion. Soldier had recoil and was boring, and bastion had spread and was fun. I like your idea for his rework possibilities, but my idea would be ow1 bastion entirely, but with slower movement in turret (compared to ow2) and slightly less damage as a trade off. Your nade and headshot ideas are good though. Damn I miss ow1 bastion! Using ult out of a fight just to reposition was always fun and confusing for the enemy team!
IT IS IMPORTANT TO MENTION At some point beta or before bastion's ult was a remote control mine. As you cna imagine that didnt exactly fit his character...
how i would've reworked bastion by putting the form change with no cooldown and giving him 100 max hp + 10% speed boost when in assault form. while also giving his recon form x2.5 headshot multiplier.
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I honestly think that they should bring back self repair and add it to his moveset including tank, but we will be talking about self repair. Now why not just replace nade? Well, bastions recon isn’t that strong as even supports have a better weapon then his recon, so the nade could help with his firepower when his turret is on cooldown. Now for tank, I completely agree with this guys opinion on tank. And maybe even buff his recon slightly by 3 damage? But this is all my opinion, so you can disagree if u want.
When I play bastion I just do careless over the wall jump flanks into transformation and spray down everyone I can see hoping I hit my shots and elim more than 2 of them and at least 1 is a support or tank. Then if I survive that I just run back to my team while blasting whoever is left alive and hope I get healed. Fun enough, basically the Reddit Lucio of Bastion gameplay though.
Just in the beginning of the vid, so dunno whats coming, but i just wanted to say I love form switching in Games, in Monster Hunter as a niche example, i love the Switchaxe, i also loved Bastion in OW1 and i loved Ram in early OW2, but over time i noticed a very boring design and gameplay loop... you have the lower dps but more mobility Form and the high dps but low mobility Form and the loop is basically "Get into position or build up second form -> do tons of damage -> repeat" and it kinda sucks.
I just noticed that i completely forgot Wrecking Ball and that this is kinda why i love the rat, he has 2 forms that fluidly work together so you dont even think about it LOL.
It makes me pretty annoyed when people say bastion ruins people's days. Every character kills you, he's one of the most normal and fair characters in the game. Tank is really the only thing that struggles and that's only if their team doesn't have critical thinking skills.
I've got to be honest I thin kanyone who wants his old stationary turrent form is high on their own supply. Having to stop and start like that was so damn clukly, and worse still they'd become even more difficult to balance sicne it's so easy to counterplay with how much mobility and mitigation there is in the game. Bastion would either be a complete throw pick or break the game.
Personally, I honestly don't like the current version of Bastion compared to Overwatch 1's Bastion. There he actually felt more like a... well, Bastion. The moment they made his Config a temporary change is when they kinda ruined it for me.
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I think one of the funniest things about Bastion’s OW2 balance patches is the community’s reaction to seeing the nerf “Removed the Ability to land Headshots” from Configuration: Artillery, everything I saw when that Patch Notes went live was “Wait, he could headshot in Artillery?”
I remember that. I think it said the same for Pharah but I don’t fully remember
i remember one shot a almost full health doomfist with that
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Yeah it was kinda broken but it rarely happened. It would one shot most characters
replacing old bastion ult is one of the biggest blunders blizzard balancing did in recent years
And they actually thought it was a smart move 🤣🤣🤣
What’s funnier is that all these non-bastion mains think ow2 bastion is better
I often find myself comparing Bastion to, of all things, the Peashooter from the Plants vs Zombies Garden Warfare series, given how both of them revolve around an ability that allows them to root into the ground to gain access to a more powerful Gatling Gun primary.
Comparatively, Peashooter’s Pea Gatling has the transformation tied to its (limited) ammo, and while it is on a recharge, Pea Gatling refreshes instantly if you have full ammo, and later iterations have Pea Gatling’s recharge time tied to the ammo you spend in the form, so shooting less means you get the ability back more quickly. Plus, Peashooter has plenty of power in his base form to afford not being in Gatling, but both modes still have distinct enough strengths and weaknesses to warrant switching from one to the other.
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Bro nice to see a fellow gw fan.
Also both have a throwable explosive that they could launch themselves with (although much harder on Peashooter)
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@@SSADO- i believe in tac nade supremacy
Don't people say Pea Gatling kind of sucks for Peashooter though? I heard it's one of the worst abilities you could use because it roots you in place
I call them stance characters due to my fighting game addiction lol, I'm surprised there isn't a character that has no ultimate but completely swaps between 2 different characters in 1
That missed pulse made me giggle too much
I mean who wouldn't enjoy pretending to be a Transformer? Just need them to remove that timer on his switch, so i can finally roll out
Speaking of becoming a transformer, if bastion doesn’t get a skin in the upcoming collab I.. I’ll combust
@@daunt9577 FACTUAL. I NEED BUMBLEBEE BASTION
@@daunt9577 So true, either that or Shockwave, or else i'm gonna riot
@@PixelRory Shockwave would be way better and much more fitting than Bumblebee
@@NovexusNui777 They’ve already revealed the Transformers characters that are coming as skins, so his only option is Bumblebee
That blizzard world clutch at 11:15 was excellent
0:50 The tracer just shooting you after you make fun of her for missing the pulse is funny af😭🙏
In my opinion literally all they have to do is revert the rework, but keep the grenade, maybe it can replace self heal when not in turret form? Also make so he can headshot in turret form again, at the cost of losing some base damage, actually rewarding good players while not just straight up buffing him for all ranks
I dont know If the old bastion would fit in ow2
Or hell, make it a mix of the two.
Recon form has the perfectly accurate smg, the grenade, and higher movement speed compared to the other form, at the cost of dps and tankiness
Rename configuration: assault back to sentry. Give it self-repair as a channelled ability, but let Bastion hold crouch to root in place for increased accuracy and rate of fire when in this form, like old turret form. Higher damage and survivability, at the cost of mobility and accuracy when on the move.
They can either maintain Artillery Configuration, or have it be he either goes into Artillery or Tank configuration based on his current configuration (recon becomes tank, sentry becomes artillery)
@@sev1120 Actually, the dual ult option based on form sounds rad. If you let sentry be permanent but weak when moving, then you can really shape the kit to be a dual-form character - honestly, I might be want recon to be lower health but even faster. You'd probably have to slow down the swap if you did that, so you don't have too much flanking bastion.
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This would also actually make Bastion *EXTREMELY* unique.
It sounds radical to an extent *but, I’d LOVE to see this idea experimented with!*
@@sev1120 I really like this, but it'd def need a lot of testing to make sure it isn't too strong or weak
Imagine a Bastions old tank ult with his current grenade ability it would be interesting.
I feel that would be a bit redundant no?since with tank form you could do everything you can do with his grenade except sticking people.
@@BlazenR3dCombining the grenade with a tank shot for bomb jumping would be pretty nice
@@jblazerndrowzy Tru that would be fun I guess it'd be sort of like the halt javelin combo in the community mode rn
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I think the bastion's ult feels a bit choppy to use, Standing still while ulting just interrupts the flow, the overwatch 1 ult just feels more smooth to use, (and it's more fun to use, and more op :) ) The overwatch 1 ult should be put back in the game.
Also, no stream today? :(
yeaah wasn't in streaming mood tbh
I absolutely miss tank form ult, artillery is just so much of a let down by comparison, it was so satisfying to aim and so satisfying to use its movement tech to get into high ground positions and it was made even better by the fact that back then turret mode was theoretically permanent and this combination was what led to one of the most viewed overwatch league twitch clips of all time where architect tank jumped up to the chandeliers of eichenwalde last and completely shut down the enemy team from contesting, tank could even be readded entirely unchanged thanks to the hp changes that allow every non widowmaker and tracer squishy to survive a hit from full health
Bastions turret should be a resource not a cool down that way he can still be threatening a majority of the time, having him move is very good for his overall playstyle
I am so happy you made this video. As a Bastion myself I have nearly given up on him (been maining him for more than 6 years) after the armour patch. And nobody talks about him, ever. It sucks that many people still think he doesn’t deserve a buff.
Always so delighted when one of these analysis videos pops up in my recommended, guess that means it’s time to subscribe!
When the community crafted gamemode came around, i was so happy being able to play bastion since it felt like i could actually do something instead of hanging far back with my team and never using my tank form
What I think is the worst thing on bastion’s kit is the fact that this game does not know what floor is, an elevation smaller than an atom is already enough for the nade to go to the other side of the map
And that same atom could nullify the explosion entirely, it's fucking stupid.
I might try and make that rework you suggested into a custom game. If I do I'll put the code in an edit below.
this could sound like the ramblings of a lunatic but maybe make it to where he has 3 forms that once switched to you stay that form till manually switched/emp but when switched from that form it goes on cooldown. recon: same as recon now you run in a mix of armor/health you have a grenade and can switch between the two new forms. sentry: you turn into a sentry that is immobile and gets the ironclad passive and the grenade is switched out for self-repair or he has a movement bar that allows you to move around a little before recharging when standing still, upon standing still for a few seconds he locks down into a sentry like playstyle granting him some buffs/nerfs when moving or standing still. NEW rush/assault: if anyone looks at bastions emotes do you see/remember the one where his eye turns red, and he hunkers down? his new stance would be closer to that and all of his armor gets turned into hp and the ironclad passive doesn't activate but he gains movement speed, has the shotgun from April fools/mirror watch, and he can use either grenade or a buff that gives him faster fire rate maybe movement speed and a single use bap like jump that when used ends the ability early. tank: just bring back tank ... please?
If their intention is to keep the new raid boss tanks and armour changes, I think the best solution is to move him to the tank role. Rework him for some extra survivability, bring back tank mode. He's one of the easiest heroes to shoot in the game, above multiple tanks who have more survivability. He loses basically any DPS 1v1. He requires a pocket to be enjoyable which are resources taken away from the tank (the most important role)
Make him a tank, he'd be like a minigun-based Ramattra.
So, I'm insane, but bring back beta bastion with late OW1 selfheal and make him a tank. No, I don't mean just bring back Configuration: Tank, I mean make him a tank.
Stationary turret mode with a big, tough frontal shield but can only turn 90 degrees in either direction. 450 total HP including armor. Late OW1 self-repair, put the current grenade on E. Shield only regenerates while in Configuration: Recon, so you have an ebb and flow and don't just sit in sentry forever(not too sure about this one). And bring back Configuration: Tank as his ult and give him a bunch of bonus health during it.
Is this balanced? Probably not. Is this a good idea? Probably not! But is this is a hilarious yet fun idea? I'll leave that to y'all to think about.
The issue with that is the character is now a tank and automatically will have all the fun sapped out of playing them
@@beywheelzhater8930 counterpoint: we would now have a literal tank as a tank. I don't care how stressful and unfun the rest of the situation is, if I get to scream "I AM A TANK TANK" every time I ult, it would still evoke primal joy in me
bastion is great as a sigma main because they give me free health
i love stance switch heros in those games and mobas too
erm what the bastion?
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I love this character and the form switch. I can agree with the start of this vid more. I love bastion and ram they need more love.
Loved the video!
My thoughts on changes are quite extensive so I’ll just tell my thoughts on the ultimate.
Bring tank back of course. Like you said it fits the current game a lot better. Make it 200-225 direct hit. During the ultimate replace grenade with self-repair, but make it heal 50% more hp/s than before with 3 seconds of resources.
Makes him reliant on learning the rocket jump for maximum value as well as raising the skill ceiling, and the self healing changes makes it so that he doesn’t have to spend the entire ultimate healing himself (because he’s a target in his ult)
Ps I miss the old Ultimate voice line man, ICONIC 😅
Here's what I'd do. Overwatch 1 turret and tank form, just swapped around (turret ult, tank ability), and balanced according.
Bastion is getting some love finally. Thank you
Thank you, Roy, these videos make my days better!
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Idk what the hell they were thinking getting rid of one of the most fun ults in the game, to replace his ult with 3 of the worst feeling ults to use in the game. Who thought people would like this more than rocket jumping and airshotting flyers as a freaking tank?!?!??
I used to main Bastion as one of my dps's in OW1 and he was tons of fun. Current version of him is still good too but I think it definitely needs some tweaks here and there.
The changes you proposed for him are very in line as to how I would change him, specially with the flying stationary turret thing, that sounds hilarious to see!
Another change I'd do would be regarding the Lego skin. It's my favorite Bastion skin by far, but the sound design of the primary fire bugs me and makes me feel like I'm shooting with a nerf gun. Which I get it's what they were going for and was probably requested by Lego themselves but I'd like to be able to change it in the options menu or something, idk.
I think he just needs more agency, a better ultimate, and self repair back on ability 2 (or just another ability). Rn he’s kinda just worse soldier 80% of the time.
Tactical grenade needs to be a bit more consistent upon death, because it feels like half of the time it can’t decide whether it will despawn or not, even if you stick an enemy.
I’d much rather the higher damage assault form than lower damage but the ability to headshot, and would personally prefer to keep assault over sentry.
Reducing (or removing) the self damage on grenade is also on the table to be honest.
Not all of these need to go through for me to be happy but I’d take at least a few.
I was waiting for this one
I Love ur idea for a bastion rework and I 100% agree with you, but I personally would keep the 50 self damage to nade, but give self heal back and put nade on E.
mirrorwatch bastion had some fun ideas with recon mode being a tracking shotgun mode, so what if they just made turret mode have a tighter spread to be the long range option
I’ll stand by the fact that my favorite change of Day 1 OW2 was Bastion. He actually felt fun to play as someone who didn’t like Bastion in OW1
But you’re completely right on the money that he’s just not allowed to be threatening to Tanks. I play Ball and can safely say that, even though design-wise I should be afraid of Bastion, he is just so easy to delete if you catch him off cooldown
Dude I can’t wait for “Ramattra: Overwatch’s first tempo tank?”
If you want an example of a form switcher from Paladins, you could mention that one girl that can switch between fire & ice powers.
I had so much fun playing Bastion in season 10, but after the armor changes, I’m basically stuck on Cassidy.
Some new ultimate ideas for Bastion:
Configuration Infantry: Turns into Soldier 76 for 8 seconds
Configuration Battleship: Teleports into the sea and shoots 12 artillery salvos simultaneously into the enemy team, fails if the map does not have a sea
Configuration Fighter Jet: Goes into the sky and immediately kills anyone not touching the ground
I think, they should revert the rework, but changes the forms, making the tank an ability and the turret the ult, then we can talk if having these changes it would be better if he was a tank role o stay on dps. But It would be a much better fun idea
I think it would go a long way is Reconfigure swapped Self-Repair out for A-36 Tactical Grenade, lower Assault form's gun to 9 damage and the cooldown of grenade to 4 seconds (or restore Ammo and make Reconfigure work like OW1) . Despite this turning Assault into a more hybrid of Sentry and Tank, I'd still say Tank should come back.
I have the opposite idea, bring back repair but only in assault mode. But yeah a return to ammo and lower damage instead of a cooldown would make the two forms feel more different. Also make the nade do no self-damage so it can be used for more mobility while in recon mode. Basically, the two forms should be centered around mobility and range for recon, with nade to confirm kills, while assault is more for defense and area denial with its damage resistance, heal, and lack of a head hitbox.
Suggestion that migth lead to bastion being op: bring back overwatch 1 bastion, but he keeps the grenade so now he has both grenade and self heal and stationary sentry and tank ult
If I were running Overwatch I would personally remove role passive and give each character their own passive that benefits their playstyle and is balanced around them.
I would make Bastion have stationary turret with grenade like you said and give hime the tank ult back. But for his personal passive I would make it an out of combat regen that plays the self repair animation and slowly brings him to full health like the current regen passive everyone has. It works and keeps the theme of Bastion being a self repairing war machine.
Literally just bring back the old ult and I will be so happy
I really wish they'd bring him back to ow1 bastion and give him a third ability that feeds into the form switch style more instead of nade
Honestly i love your idea for the rework, and i think it also fixes one big problem i have with current bastion, a break of design, bastions model was so well designed to show how his body changed into sentry form, but now he just jumps, spins and BOOM! tank treds! it sucks to see something so cool just removed for something worse
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- Bring back Tank Form
- Bring back self-repair and keep grenade (i.e. grenade on E, repair on RMB)
- Increase Recon Mode rate of fire, feels super awkward as is (adjust damage to compensate)
I was a bastion main :3 and was good too
The music tells me that someone has been playing SMTVV :>)
I was gonna put in konan 3rd block then I realised I already filled the video with bg music LMAO
i miss tank form so much but i don’t think it could come back unless it’s nerfed hard or with an ult cost of 8 or 9k
With Tank Config being such an interesting part of OW1 Bastion's kit, I wonder what it would be like to give Assault Config an alt-fire that resembles Tank Config's primary fire (nerfed damage-wise, since it's on a basic ability). Bastion can use it to more frequently rocket-jump. A lot of the various escape abilities become less reliable if Bastion can persue as well.
As for Artillery, I think its unfortunate design is the result of existing skins. If Assault mode takes the minigun and mashes it with the tank treads, then Bastion's other mode is going to mash the tank cannon with sentry's stationary legs. They've got the art assets there and it'd be a lot of work to make more or further tweaks. Artillery also does feel like a response to discourage bunker and pirate comps, but those don't really exist to the same degree in OW2, sooo I dunno.
As someone who has been playing since at least the pirate ship/bunker meta it’s almost comical how easy he is to take down now across all ELOs.
15:54 I wheezed so hard when you said exist LMAO, I can't, it caught me so off guard.
Smth funny is that despite being a junkrat main, originaly, when I came back on ow2 with a few memories of ow1, I wanted to be a bastion main, but seeing the lost of tankform and the lost of the multiple form identity just kinda killed the hype for me. He is still my favorite hitscan to play, but I am sad to see the state he is in.
If I were to truly suggest stuff for bastion here is what I would do:
Bring back tank form
Give him the infinite turret form back but allow him to move like in ow2
Remove the speed penalty in turret form
Reduce the spread, reduce his base dmg but allow him to headshot in turret form. Also add a dmg falloff on 20m
Give him self-repair on his e
Increase sentry form dmg a lil bit.
Mostly the idea would be him using turret form for quick dmg burst on close-midranges and also when he needs a bit more survivability with the ironclad passive, and him using sentry for longer range poke and the nade burst combos and more of in the neutral pokier style fights
Reducing the turret form dmg would make it worse into armor and get him a bit away from that tankbuster idea that is so harmful in ow2, and that would also make him not break with infinite turret form
And what I am with all of this is to go back to that multiple form identity and have each form have its own purpose
They should have never removed his tank form. Ideal bastion to me is ow1 bastion, with his new recon gun, plus his funny grenade thing. Reduce the power on healing and make turret form have a cooldown and limited ammo. Boom, perfectly balanced. You can play old bastion in the corner with rein, but you have to switch out of turret once you run out of ammo, giving the attackers time to push or dive you. Accurate rifle and mobility grenade incentives aggressive bastion plays, limiting the amount of corner camping. And a low skill floor, high skill ceiling ult incentivizes play at every level.
Actually I would like them to bring back the Tank Configuration while keeping the Artillery Mode. Bastion’s whole switcheroo stance hero design can also be highlighted with two Ult Modes.
I would love to see a version of Bastion where you hit Q to activate Ultimate and you get a hud option between Artillery and Tank Mode.
Imagine Bastion being the definitive Tempo hero alongside Ramattra. Yes I am huffing copium
Not speaking from a competitive perspective, the flexibility of being able to move while in turret form is a nice qol change for me, reminds me of playing heavy from tf2. Maybe a trade off for removing the cooldown is make the cast time in and out of config longer and lower the movement speed more during the config. but mainly id want them to revert artillery as well
in ow1, i was just a young little boy, who didn't do the tutorial, so guess what heros i picked up, that's right, bastion, tracer and later orisa and sombra. Bastion was fun and simple to understand, he was my fav hero, now, Pharah and D.Va took his place, he currently isn't what i liked for all this time, and i just... miss the old version.
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Hope we get more stance character in the future
Bastion needs to go back to his old self
It made so much more sense mechanically, lore wise, skill wise, and he felt unique
I think having an alternative form on a duration is a design crutch. A good form switcher should only change its form because the player decides it isn’t the correct choice for the current situation. Bastion desperately needs more skill expression, and having a weaker but infinite turret mode would give players the ability to use game sense to decide what form they should be using. Both rammatra and bastion gameplay is just waiting for the transform cooldown. Rammatra atleast has different abilities in the different forms. His shield gives him atleast a tiny valid reason for being in his small form. Bastion has no reason to be in his normal form unless he’s walking to objectives or team fights.
Rework idea:
Remove assault mode
Add Tank configuration: 5 shots per reload with a mid damage (like phara's rockets)
Damange reduction in tank mode:15%
Speed reduction in tank mode: 45%
Artillery: 4 shots, every shot have knockback
I'll never understand why they replaced his old ult
let bastions assault mode be a resource meter I feel like that would be the best option and would make him so much more fun
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I never noticed the fire being the Lego fire on the bastion skin before, anyways great video yet again!!
bastion i think would feel a lot more dynamic and interesting if you could always switch between assault and recon mode without that cooldown, kinda like how it worked in ow1. ofc i would want them to tune down assault a lot, but i would also like if recon had more power put into it as well. it'd be cool to have this style where you constantly switch between assault and recon for either short range burst damage or mid to long range damage, with the downside being the lack of utility and knowing when to switch to what mode. i think it'd be less jarring and make both modes compliment each other rather than one just being a kill mode on a cooldown. also being able to move is so crucial to any fps that idk how you could make old sentry work without being too niche or too overwhelming. assault is a good change imo, i just want it to have more flexibility albeit at the cost of damage and/or range. also ALSO tank configuration should 100% return that ult is cool asf.
great video as always!!! excited to see whatever else you make.
Reconfigure should let bastion cycle between 3 modes.
1) Recon - as is now, but can do headshot damage. This would be the central mode!
2) Tank - (old bastion ult) but nerfed. slow the projectiles down and reduce the damage per shot - maybe like 4-5 bullets max before a loonnnng reload time.
3) Assault or Sentry as it used to be
He keeps the grenade but for mobility/disruption in Recon and Assault.
Ultimate - same as it currently is; he'd be quite mobile in every other aspect of his kit
I love Tank Configuration and agree it works better in 2 but I always imagined it would be a little over tuned in the 5v5 format. It’s pretty easy to land direct shots deleing squishies instantly and with one less tank to distract and absorb tank shells it feels like a free pick 100% of the time. I can envision a universe where day one Ow2 meta was Sojourn and Bastion cycling their ults to cover each other’s downtime and win every team fight through one shots.
I really REALLY wanted to like Artillery. I was so happy to see them move away from the philosophy that Bastion having an ult that disconnects from him didn’t fit the character which is why they scrapped the Remote mine ultimate way back then before the beta. I like the idea of Bastion having a Swiss Army knife of a kit, but maaaan Artillery just sucks and feels useless a lot of the time. The game moves so fast that I can’t even get good zoning out of it.
Always wanted them to lean heavy on the transforming robot aspect when they first talked about a rework though. Make Bastion a jack of all trades ready to fit any team comp. I wanna see him turn into a ATV and zoom around the field with Tracer and Lucio, I wanna see him go Tank as an ability and slowly push up with his Rein providing cover fire, I want his ultimate to turn him into a Apache Helicopter ready to fly out with Dva Pharah Echo Mercy. There’s just so many cool things you could with Bastion that I’d love to see
Yo SMT V music, let's fucking go!
My idea for bastion rework
Turret form on resource meter and can swap whenever
Self heal ability while in turret form
Tank form brought back but you can choose artillery or tank like how symmetra used to be
Imani is the paladins example I would go for but koga works too
In FGs we call them stance characters 😂
Btw to add salt into the wound:
It’s actually 6 seconds not 8
Can you do a vid about which tanks would synergyze if they brought back 6v6?
artillery would have been amazing in ow1 and old tank would be amazing now in ow2. i hope we get it back rest can stay
I think they could just bring back the self heal during his tank ult since theres no need for the nade anyway
My thoughts exactly. Itd promote skill expression too
i do 80% of my kills with recon. its just so fun and incredible. great dps with no recoil? yessir
Id be fine bringing tank form back. Would be way better than now. As far as balance, I do like of turret is now a cooldown because that gives counter play, but he also is a bit of a noob stomper. The number of times I see my teammate just w into a bastion turret and explode 20 time in a match are to many to count.
I agree entirely. Everything in ow2 bastion (except the nade) is just horrible, including the fire rate in recon. I always loved machine guns in fps games, and the only hitscan options were soldier and bastion. Soldier had recoil and was boring, and bastion had spread and was fun. I like your idea for his rework possibilities, but my idea would be ow1 bastion entirely, but with slower movement in turret (compared to ow2) and slightly less damage as a trade off. Your nade and headshot ideas are good though. Damn I miss ow1 bastion! Using ult out of a fight just to reposition was always fun and confusing for the enemy team!
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At some point beta or before bastion's ult was a remote control mine. As you cna imagine that didnt exactly fit his character...
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how i would've reworked bastion by putting the form change with no cooldown and giving him 100 max hp + 10% speed boost when in assault form. while also giving his recon form x2.5 headshot multiplier.
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I honestly think that they should bring back self repair and add it to his moveset including tank, but we will be talking about self repair. Now why not just replace nade? Well, bastions recon isn’t that strong as even supports have a better weapon then his recon, so the nade could help with his firepower when his turret is on cooldown. Now for tank, I completely agree with this guys opinion on tank. And maybe even buff his recon slightly by 3 damage? But this is all my opinion, so you can disagree if u want.
When I play bastion I just do careless over the wall jump flanks into transformation and spray down everyone I can see hoping I hit my shots and elim more than 2 of them and at least 1 is a support or tank.
Then if I survive that I just run back to my team while blasting whoever is left alive and hope I get healed.
Fun enough, basically the Reddit Lucio of Bastion gameplay though.
Is that SMTVV music I hear???!!!
it is peak.
I miss old bastion
Just in the beginning of the vid, so dunno whats coming, but i just wanted to say
I love form switching in Games, in Monster Hunter as a niche example, i love the Switchaxe, i also loved Bastion in OW1 and i loved Ram in early OW2, but over time i noticed a very boring design and gameplay loop... you have the lower dps but more mobility Form and the high dps but low mobility Form and the loop is basically "Get into position or build up second form -> do tons of damage -> repeat" and it kinda sucks.
I just noticed that i completely forgot Wrecking Ball and that this is kinda why i love the rat, he has 2 forms that fluidly work together so you dont even think about it LOL.
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great vid dude, also the smt v music 🔥 TASTE
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It makes me pretty annoyed when people say bastion ruins people's days. Every character kills you, he's one of the most normal and fair characters in the game. Tank is really the only thing that struggles and that's only if their team doesn't have critical thinking skills.
I've got to be honest I thin kanyone who wants his old stationary turrent form is high on their own supply. Having to stop and start like that was so damn clukly, and worse still they'd become even more difficult to balance sicne it's so easy to counterplay with how much mobility and mitigation there is in the game. Bastion would either be a complete throw pick or break the game.
I don’t like Bastion, neither playing him nor against him. But I think giving him back tank ult is a good call.
Personally, I honestly don't like the current version of Bastion compared to Overwatch 1's Bastion. There he actually felt more like a... well, Bastion. The moment they made his Config a temporary change is when they kinda ruined it for me.
What transformer skin u think Bastion is getting ya'll? Or are they gonna skip the obvious choice and give 1 to kiri.