Well, Maggie Smith couldn't play... so what's the point? Jk, it might be interesting. But Natalie Dormer looks nothing like a young Maggie Smith, no one does.
It's clever of the writers to write the late Lord Grantham as a member of Prince Alfred's household, thereby providing an excellent excuse for him and Violet to attend the 1874 wedding in Russia (which by the way DID happen in real life). Prince Alfred was also the first British royal family member to travel extensively across the British Empire -- making trips to Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, HK, India & Ceylon. Presumably Violet's husband traveled with him; that's why she said her husband was an avid traveler who brought back all sorts of stories to his wife at Downton!
@@harringt100 It means the late Lord Grantham was appointed to be one of the Prince's "support staff" or "assistants", so to speak. That duty will require him to work regularly around the Prince - an international trip to Russia to manage his Prince's wedding, for example. Just like how noble women are selected to be the Queen's ladies-in-waiting. This is one of those things that titled aristocrats are expected to do when asked by the monarch.
He was definitely one of the better romantic partners on this show. I wish he had stayed on and married Violet. He was such a match for her in a battle of wits (I still love his comeback to her, "Why? Do you want more children?").
Violet just wanted her comfortable life at this age. She was happy being independent. She could have paid back the Princess other ways. She was more upset about losing her money and status than being separated from her husband. She would have been thrilled if Violet had set her up in more comfortable circumstances without her having to be around her husband again.
Ha! I loved his delivery of that line/question. When she asked him if he was going to get a divorce. "Why? Do you want more children?" Priceless. He just cuts straight to the heart of the matter. Of course, what he was suggesting was immoral but his lines and their delivery were priceless.
Believe it or not this man (Rade Šerbedžija) played in Harry Potter, Mission impossible, X-men:first generation , Eurotrip and Batman begins and many others.Most of the times those were really small roles, just some Slavic guy , but he is really a big thing in Yugoslavian cinema.Really he is one of the best.
He's in THE SAINT, as the main villain and has a pretty entertaining scene where Val Kilmer is in makeup/wardrobe to be a double for him, and the goons don't know which dude is their boss and which is the imposter.
We need a prequel centered around Violet's arrival at Downton as a young bride! We need to see her and her husband grow to a place where she is seduced by the Russian Prince and tried to run away. We need to see her go head to head with her own mother in law. Does Violet have siblings? We need more of her!
It's a nice idea but Maggie Smith is so great as Violet that a prequel - which would obviously need a different actress - could be a huge disappointment. Could anyone really live up to expectations? Downton Abbey fans may love the old Violet but could they really love a young Violet? Realistically, she wouldn't have had quite the same personality.
@@elamplough1 I think there are plenty of young actresses who could portray this. She would haven't the same personality but I don't think it would be unreasonable for Julian Fellowes to write that journey or arc from young innocent to the character we loved.
If there was ever a piece of Downton Abbey fan art that I would love to see it would be the Dowager in the Winter Palace! What a gown that must’ve been!
I liked it how Lord Grantham bowed his head even lower when introduced. People of a lower rank show respect by bowing even more to show their respect to someone of a higher rank and Koragin being a prince had to be respected.
She gave the story to Isobel in the season ending episode. She had an affair with the prince, and almost ran away with him. She was only stopped by the princess bodily dragging her out of the carriage.
2:51 rather a curt reply. I doubt the writers and even the actor thought this deeply but I just realised, that Igor Kuragin may well resent Robert simply for existing; for being a reason Violet didn’t try and run away with him again after the first attempt was foiled.
We later find out that they were both imprisoned for a time, and when he got out, he found out his wife had been deported from Russia, but he had no idea where she was, or even if she was still alive.
Isn't this the most English thing to say or what? 'There seems to be a great deal of emotion being vented among the guests in the library. But then,they ARE foreigners.' Good one,Mr Fellows.
Rade Serbedzija's amazing brief performance as the old russian aristocrat Kuragin (stemming from a 17th century family), is the very antithesis of his cult role as Militch in Kubrick's "Eyes wide shut".
As much as I appreciate the sequel films what we Downton fans really want is a prequel to the series beginning with the marriage of Violet to Lord Grantham and her arrival at Downton.
I know that the is a sequel to the movie, but I would like to see a prequel of Downton Abbey featuring a young Violet, Mr. Carson and this story arc would be marvelous St. Petersburg, 1874 and The Princess chasing and pulling Lady Violet of the carriage, and Lady Violet's Mother-In-Law, the Dowager... Gosh this would make good television
Miss Bunting... I find myself skipping her scenes when I rewatch the show. I just don't like her. She has her opinions and that's great, but she was just rude and worse, made Tom feel awkward. Glad she was never his girlfriend, no one is good for Tom expect Sybil. Well the movie is another thing :).
She's right though. The Tsar badly managed the 1st World War and he was partying when his people was starving and dying from the cold. He was also very badly misguided by the nobility telling him that he just needed to repress his starving people. That's never a good idea.
Miss Bunting is purely political, which doesn't do well when she speaks her socialist views. Tom is a socialist too, but he has tempered his views, working as the estate agent along with Mary.
@@Hiro_Trevelyan she lacks the tact. Her main drive is to carry her political views across by any means necessary with no consideration for the recipient. She gives the impression that the people she talks against aren’t people at all. Tho I may lean significantly towards her views, I doubt she’d hesitate if she would hang any members of a monarchy along with their children given the chance
If anyone was going to be good enough for the dowager it was Prince Karagan Not in wealth obviously but a match of wits, charm and strength Would have loved to see their love story continue! ❤
I agree with most of Miss. Bunting's views. However, her mannerisms and being purposely rude to her hosts is a reflection of today's 'woke culture.' Constantly calling out people and doing it in an off-putting way.
Yes, being self-righteous and haughty while scorning everyone else for not being as "woke" and "down with the struggle" like her. It was all a bullshit show of virtue signaling and the need to feel trendy and superior. I agreed with _some_ of Miss Bunting's views, but found her a wretchedly unlikable character in the main. I was glad when Tom had done with her.
Totally agree. Yes, the Tsar and the rest of the Russian imperial family and aristocracy paid the ultimate price for poorly made decisions leading up to WWI and the Bolshevik Revolution. She, however, in an effort to come across as politicaly correct paid little regard for the fact that the people she was talking to had lost everything and were making new lives in a foreign country. Tom could have made better friends... Just sayin'
There have always been rude, insensitive, self righteous, arrogant prigs around. Now they call it being "woke". Previously, there were other names for it.
@@samanthab1923 He actually speaks English quite well - but he is ACTING Russian Accent. He lives in USA. Vanessa Redgrave did speak highly of him. And pushed "In Mission Impossible" that he gets the role. Watch how he acts like fake Tom Cruise aka Ethan. Thank You for your reply. :)
I would like to imagine the position the countess would be in if she had eloped with the Russian Prince.. A pauper and refuge shattered and shunned by society after the Russian revolution
Actually, had the prince left Russia with Violet and they just sailed around the world, he might have been much better off than if he’d stayed in Russia, as long as he’d gotten enough of his money out before the Revolution. They might have been shunned by British society, but there were plenty of places they’d have been welcome.
Me parece extraordinario ver algunos "souvenirs" que parecen ser huevos Fabergé, y sean vistos con emoción y lágrimas por los rusos, pero sin mayores comentarios sobre ellos. ¿serán históricamente correctos en la serie?
Looking back on these clips I find myself wondering if it's entirely fair to criticize Ms Bunting without also looking more critically at the people she argued with. Because as much as she was inappropriate, excessively confrontational, and just downright rude, Robert and this fellow here (who also turned out later in the series to be a raging antisemite) were also myopic and entitled. Robert was never one to like his power being challenged, and I think ultimately that's what annoyed him the most. It was outrageously rude and inappropriate to confront him as she did while a guest in their house, but pretty much everything Ms Bunting said had a ring of truth to it, and that made him uncomfortable.
Funny, at the time of airing, I felt that the character of Miss Bunting was too much of a caricature, put there as a sort of strawman to knock down a lot of very valid arguments against the Grantham way of life without having to present those arguments in an intelligent or developed way. However, now that much of the world seems dead-set on outdoing the dear missy at being humorless, tactless, rude, self-righteous pains in the nethers, I really appreciate just how much more ridiculous people can always be.
they, of course, presented the Russian aristocracy in an extremely caricatured form, and yet, when you look at their emotions, you understand how hard it is to lose your country, your homeland.
The writers did a good job making Miss Bunting one of the most annoying characters in the show. Whether or not the refugees supported the Tsar, who does something like that. Tsar supporters or not these were people that lost their homes, families, and everything that had ever meant anything to them during the revolution. And Miss Bunting sees these people and thinks "Oh, I better make a comment how their government was wrong"
It's annoying that they brush over the fact that Miss Bunting was undeniably saying something very polite and tactful, and got a very extreme reaction she didn't deserve.
They portrayed the teacher as a villain. Yet she is totally right. I love the show but let's be honest, this is a conservative fantasy about nice rich people who even allows the chofer to marry their daughter.
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Guy has zero actual Russian accent. My kids do it better. Also he could hardly get that upset by a criticism of the Tsar when the Tsar's own family, including his mother and his cousin the English King, was telling him he was screwing up.
But that's the thing with Downton Abbey, it was a conservative fantasy. I love the series but I can see what it is. A show about nice rich people who treat their servants well, there is class colaboration and people is reasonable. That is why when they tried to write Miss Bunting as annoying they were writing someone who actually was correct
I didn't like him. He was ready to dump his wife for a life of luxury. The way the poor were treated in Russia was a crime. I don't feel sorry for them.
@@georgeouroussoff3830 They were starved while the royals lived in luxury off the taxes of the starving. There was no democracy. The poor were ruled by the monarchy. That's why you get revolution. You get it when the mass of poor people have had enough.
@@Messier45_Pleiades This is very primitive point of view. First of all, who had democracy at that time? People lived more or less the same all around Europe. In UK child labour existed for a good while. That were such times, and it was OK for that time. Just two classes existed - rich and poor, but if bolsheviks did not destroy the country - Russia could have established that middle class. Revolutions happen when some one abroad sponsors it - to ruine the legitimate government and destroy the country. And than cover it up by feeding you with fairy tales about poor good people revolting against evil government. Yes, there was no middle class at that time but not only in Russia- again all around Europe. Aristocrats always donated money to poor,always sponsored schools and universities, built churches that contributed to the education a great deal. You can find the signs of it in historical documents. Nearly all the schools in Russia were build thanks to aristocrats. Democracy by the way is not such a good thing as you probably think.
@@georgeouroussoff3830 We are talking about barely 100 years ago. The UK had a monarchy and a democracy. The schools in Russia were built by aristocrats for the children of other aristocrats., which is also true of all the fee -paying schools in the UK and Europe. Russia was a tinderbox. They slaughtered Jews by the 100s of thousands. What happened the the daughters and the young boy was horrible. They did not need to be murdered, but the system had to change and it did. You cannot have an absolute ruler and expect millions of people to bow to them. Your point of view is imperialist and it is archaic.
I'm still so annoyed that this show almost always presents liberal characters in a negative light. Even Tom is shown to have been "civilized" through his time at Downton, and in doing so, became a "proper capitalist" which is awful because of the Irish constantly being admonished by the English for being "uncivilized," which is exactly the sort of thing Tom in the early seasons riled against
When Matthew wasn't going to keep the money he was to inherit which caused Mary to be mad at him since Robert had lost most of Cora's money it reminded me they would have lost Downton back then except for Robert marrying a rich American
*Prince Kuragin: When i heard the others are coming i could not resist the temptation.*
*Granny is a temptation*
This comment hit me differently lolllll
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Violet is so cute getting all flustered. Kind off wish she had a spin off about her past.
I'm not sure mankind is ready for that. But Yes!!!!!!!!!!
I don't think it would work without Dame maggie smith
@@ramomoody8120 Maybe with Natalie Dormer?
Well, Maggie Smith couldn't play... so what's the point? Jk, it might be interesting. But Natalie Dormer looks nothing like a young Maggie Smith, no one does.
@@Line... she doesnt look like it but she is an amazing actress, i could see her play a young Violet to be honest.
Loved this story line. They should do a special spinoff / prequel featuring the Countess of Grantham in St Petersburg, 1874 😂
AAron Thom I would totally watch that.
The only problem is finding the P E R F E C T actress.
Merely impossible.
@@benjaminjohannessanchez3310 Keira Knightley
Absolutely
A spin(Roman)off.
They show so much chemistry with so little screen time 😍
"Away with your impertinent conclusions!" Perfect delivery, makes me crack every time
Dame Maggie...a treasure to the UK. A treasure to the world.
It's clever of the writers to write the late Lord Grantham as a member of Prince Alfred's household, thereby providing an excellent excuse for him and Violet to attend the 1874 wedding in Russia (which by the way DID happen in real life). Prince Alfred was also the first British royal family member to travel extensively across the British Empire -- making trips to Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, HK, India & Ceylon. Presumably Violet's husband traveled with him; that's why she said her husband was an avid traveler who brought back all sorts of stories to his wife at Downton!
What does she mean by "a member of Prince Alfred's household?"
@@harringt100 It means the late Lord Grantham was appointed to be one of the Prince's "support staff" or "assistants", so to speak. That duty will require him to work regularly around the Prince - an international trip to Russia to manage his Prince's wedding, for example. Just like how noble women are selected to be the Queen's ladies-in-waiting. This is one of those things that titled aristocrats are expected to do when asked by the monarch.
I love these little details. It makes me love the series even more, and know how brilliant the writing was on this one!
@@edukid1984 wasn't that also the job offer Bertie Pelham refused so he could be with Edith during her pregnancy in the first movie?
@@nicopavvi8494 Yea I think it was.
He was definitely one of the better romantic partners on this show. I wish he had stayed on and married Violet. He was such a match for her in a battle of wits (I still love his comeback to her, "Why? Do you want more children?").
Violet just wanted her comfortable life at this age. She was happy being independent. She could have paid back the Princess other ways. She was more upset about losing her money and status than being separated from her husband. She would have been thrilled if Violet had set her up in more comfortable circumstances without her having to be around her husband again.
@@robinlillian9471 She would not have been happy taking any charity from Violet. She might have taken the money, but she would always resent Violet.
Ha! I loved his delivery of that line/question. When she asked him if he was going to get a divorce. "Why? Do you want more children?" Priceless. He just cuts straight to the heart of the matter. Of course, what he was suggesting was immoral but his lines and their delivery were priceless.
I feel like if the princess was dead she might have gone very differently. Minimum she would entertain the thought maybe with isobel
Believe it or not this man (Rade Šerbedžija) played in Harry Potter, Mission impossible, X-men:first generation , Eurotrip and Batman begins and many others.Most of the times those were really small roles, just some Slavic guy , but he is really a big thing in Yugoslavian cinema.Really he is one of the best.
Serb from Croatia, yet he plays a Russian every single time.
He also starred as the poacher in Mighty Joe Young. Xx
Yes, he did, wasn't he Gregorovitch?
Also Guy Ritchie's "Snatch"....
He's in THE SAINT, as the main villain and has a pretty entertaining scene where Val Kilmer is in makeup/wardrobe to be a double for him, and the goons don't know which dude is their boss and which is the imposter.
and lord grantham is looking at himself in the mirror thinking am i half russian.
donnchadh mcgrath this is quality content and the fact that I am only the third like is disgraceful.
He’s like “I always knew I looked strangely Slavic.”
Which is ridiculous given that Lord and Lady Grantham already had their children by that point!
@@danivarius when was lord grantham born?
Well now, with the second movie, he probably thinks he's half french lol
To me one of the most touching situations on Downton Abbey. Lady Violet meeting her old friend from a long forgotten past again.
Obviously more than a friend.
They were quite a bit more than “friends”. 😀
We need a prequel centered around Violet's arrival at Downton as a young bride! We need to see her and her husband grow to a place where she is seduced by the Russian Prince and tried to run away. We need to see her go head to head with her own mother in law. Does Violet have siblings? We need more of her!
It's a nice idea but Maggie Smith is so great as Violet that a prequel - which would obviously need a different actress - could be a huge disappointment. Could anyone really live up to expectations? Downton Abbey fans may love the old Violet but could they really love a young Violet? Realistically, she wouldn't have had quite the same personality.
@@elamplough1 I think there are plenty of young actresses who could portray this. She would haven't the same personality but I don't think it would be unreasonable for Julian Fellowes to write that journey or arc from young innocent to the character we loved.
@@stylesdani Are there any particular famous faces that you have in mind?
She has at least one sibling; Susan (Rose’s mother) is her niece.
@@flyboy152 Are we sure Susan Flintshire isn't her niece by marriage, though? (Her late husband's sibling's daughter.)
How come barely anyone is talking about Mrs. Hughes’s remark at 3:39? 😂 It made me laugh out loud!
Maggie Smith is a gem. Make sure she’s kept safe at all costs
Robert: "That's amazing. You met in Saint Petersburg."
Kuragin: "We did."
Oh. Ohhhhhhhhh!
If there was ever a piece of Downton Abbey fan art that I would love to see it would be the Dowager in the Winter Palace! What a gown that must’ve been!
Mrs. Carson-Hughes; "There seems to be a good deal of Emotions being vented in the Library, but then they are Foreigners..." 🤣🤭👌🏻
I liked it how Lord Grantham bowed his head even lower when introduced. People of a lower rank show respect by bowing even more to show their respect to someone of a higher rank and Koragin being a prince had to be respected.
She was so nervous when she saw the prince...I need a prequel with this story.
She gave the story to Isobel in the season ending episode. She had an affair with the prince, and almost ran away with him. She was only stopped by the princess bodily dragging her out of the carriage.
2:51 rather a curt reply. I doubt the writers and even the actor thought this deeply but I just realised, that Igor Kuragin may well resent Robert simply for existing; for being a reason Violet didn’t try and run away with him again after the first attempt was foiled.
Dowager: How is the princess?
Prince Kuragin: I don't know...
Y P oh she was missing at that time
We later find out that they were both imprisoned for a time, and when he got out, he found out his wife had been deported from Russia, but he had no idea where she was, or even if she was still alive.
A great example of show dont tell cinematic. Few seconds into the reveal of the fan and kuragin reveal you can tell everything.
Isn't this the most English thing to say or what?
'There seems to be a great deal of emotion being vented among the guests in the library.
But then,they ARE foreigners.'
Good one,Mr Fellows.
This plot line adds so much depth to Violet’s character. So well done.
What a spin-off that would be .the dowager and the prince /a love affair to remember
Rade Serbedzija's amazing brief performance as the old russian aristocrat Kuragin (stemming from a 17th century family), is the very antithesis of his cult role as Militch in Kubrick's "Eyes wide shut".
My, how quiet the lords and ladies are as the prince and dowager countess reminisce.
As much as I appreciate the sequel films what we Downton fans really want is a prequel to the series beginning with the marriage of Violet to Lord Grantham and her arrival at Downton.
Dearest Maggie Smith, forever loved and remembered. RIP❤
I know that the is a sequel to the movie, but I would like to see a prequel of Downton Abbey featuring a young Violet, Mr. Carson and this story arc would be marvelous
St. Petersburg, 1874 and The Princess chasing and pulling Lady Violet of the carriage, and Lady Violet's Mother-In-Law, the Dowager...
Gosh this would make good television
Miss Bunting... I find myself skipping her scenes when I rewatch the show. I just don't like her. She has her opinions and that's great, but she was just rude and worse, made Tom feel awkward. Glad she was never his girlfriend, no one is good for Tom expect Sybil. Well the movie is another thing :).
She's right though. The Tsar badly managed the 1st World War and he was partying when his people was starving and dying from the cold. He was also very badly misguided by the nobility telling him that he just needed to repress his starving people. That's never a good idea.
@@Hiro_Trevelyan She was right but it was not the time to say it. Being right doesn't mean you can be insensitive.
Miss Bunting is purely political, which doesn't do well when she speaks her socialist views. Tom is a socialist too, but he has tempered his views, working as the estate agent along with Mary.
@@Hiro_Trevelyan she lacks the tact. Her main drive is to carry her political views across by any means necessary with no consideration for the recipient.
She gives the impression that the people she talks against aren’t people at all. Tho I may lean significantly towards her views, I doubt she’d hesitate if she would hang any members of a monarchy along with their children given the chance
@@Hiro_Trevelyan Lmao so what? Does being right mean you can voice it whenever and wherever you like
The Dowager was practically floating!
Great !! This is a wonderful story - Granny has a past !! 🌹
The English can never have too much tea! love it!
Oh Granny has a past!!!
🙂 Always my favorite character, I couldn’t have loved her more than during this entire scene! ❤
The Romanov’s story is so so sad😢😢
If only Ms. Bunting could learn when to keep her mouth shut.
If anyone was going to be good enough for the dowager it was Prince Karagan
Not in wealth obviously but a match of wits, charm and strength
Would have loved to see their love story continue! ❤
"I'm flattered to be remembered." Oof.
I love Isobel lol.
Wow, I felt the energy.
“...hot as the tropics.”
I bet, my Lady. I bet.
4:08 she's like, Mary's got me LOL
Perfect
I agree with most of Miss. Bunting's views. However, her mannerisms and being purposely rude to her hosts is a reflection of today's 'woke culture.' Constantly calling out people and doing it in an off-putting way.
Yes, being self-righteous and haughty while scorning everyone else for not being as "woke" and "down with the struggle" like her. It was all a bullshit show of virtue signaling and the need to feel trendy and superior.
I agreed with _some_ of Miss Bunting's views, but found her a wretchedly unlikable character in the main. I was glad when Tom had done with her.
Totally agree. Yes, the Tsar and the rest of the Russian imperial family and aristocracy paid the ultimate price for poorly made decisions leading up to WWI and the Bolshevik Revolution. She, however, in an effort to come across as politicaly correct paid little regard for the fact that the people she was talking to had lost everything and were making new lives in a foreign country.
Tom could have made better friends... Just sayin'
There have always been rude, insensitive, self righteous, arrogant prigs around. Now they call it being "woke". Previously, there were other names for it.
Elvia: Tom was lonely and tried to be polite to her. Obviously, it backfired. She wasn't right for him. He was too good for her.
Elvia Zavala-Suarez Then wrapping the fact they have no social graces or manners on the disguise of "telling it like it is". Just plain rude.
I hope she’s wise to reject him again.
Thank you.
95 Likes and 1 Dislike = 95 Downton Abbey Fans and 1 Bolshevik
Probably that Bunting monstrosity
Thanks,😎📺👍👍
I'm happy there is mention of a union between Romanov and Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. Prince Alfred Duke of Edinburgh and Grand Duchess Maria Alexandrovna
Always see him as Boris the Blade from Snatch 😊
Rade Šerbedžija . He WAS THE BEST ACTOR in former Yugoslavija
DEZERT ili DEZERTI Wow. Cool I always thought he was really Russian.
@@samanthab1923 He actually speaks English quite well - but he is ACTING Russian Accent. He lives in USA. Vanessa Redgrave did speak highly of him. And pushed "In Mission Impossible" that he gets the role. Watch how he acts like fake Tom Cruise aka Ethan. Thank You for your reply. :)
If only Nicky had taken George´s advice.
Prince Kuragin’s voice renders Vlad the Impaler possibilities.
Maggie Smith is 12 years older than Rade Šerbedžija. Well, all right, then.😉🥰
Not crazy about the waistline but Rose's dress is otherwise great.
It was the fashion. Rose probably wouldn't have been so crazy about modern clothes, either.
Oh how strange a granny with a past!
How sweet
A love never had chance for anyone...sadness carry on for a whole life 😥😥😥
Love it...
What episode?
Read the description. S5E3.
Branson's girlfriend is a mad version of Ada Shelby from Peaky Blinders
4:13 Nice coat, I wonder if it’s the one Bruce Wayne gave him. 😀
Rade Šerbedžija is Numero Uno.
This scene is so delicious and real! I can imagine a young Dowager...
*lol ! When the troll gets trolled*
Felipe Estopado Isobel enjoyed that last line 😂
I just keep thinking of 'Boris the blade' AKA 'bullet dodger'
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I would like to imagine the position the countess would be in if she had eloped with the Russian Prince.. A pauper and refuge shattered and shunned by society after the Russian revolution
Actually, had the prince left Russia with Violet and they just sailed around the world, he might have been much better off than if he’d stayed in Russia, as long as he’d gotten enough of his money out before the Revolution. They might have been shunned by British society, but there were plenty of places they’d have been welcome.
Then (perhaps) we would have had an English version of Anna Karenina... 😉
Me parece extraordinario ver algunos "souvenirs" que parecen ser huevos Fabergé, y sean vistos con emoción y lágrimas por los rusos, pero sin mayores comentarios sobre ellos. ¿serán históricamente correctos en la serie?
Looking back on these clips I find myself wondering if it's entirely fair to criticize Ms Bunting without also looking more critically at the people she argued with. Because as much as she was inappropriate, excessively confrontational, and just downright rude, Robert and this fellow here (who also turned out later in the series to be a raging antisemite) were also myopic and entitled. Robert was never one to like his power being challenged, and I think ultimately that's what annoyed him the most.
It was outrageously rude and inappropriate to confront him as she did while a guest in their house, but pretty much everything Ms Bunting said had a ring of truth to it, and that made him uncomfortable.
Funny, at the time of airing, I felt that the character of Miss Bunting was too much of a caricature, put there as a sort of strawman to knock down a lot of very valid arguments against the Grantham way of life without having to present those arguments in an intelligent or developed way. However, now that much of the world seems dead-set on outdoing the dear missy at being humorless, tactless, rude, self-righteous pains in the nethers, I really appreciate just how much more ridiculous people can always be.
I like to think they met up in France whenever possible whoever they could until they died. Because she was left a house in France.
They incorporate Robert’s paternal heritage into the 2nd DA movie, but it’s not a Russian connection.
He’s probably son of a French marquis
they, of course, presented the Russian aristocracy in an extremely caricatured form, and yet, when you look at their emotions, you understand how hard it is to lose your country, your homeland.
That was when Russia had the beauty of her past .
The writers did a good job making Miss Bunting one of the most annoying characters in the show. Whether or not the refugees supported the Tsar, who does something like that. Tsar supporters or not these were people that lost their homes, families, and everything that had ever meant anything to them during the revolution. And Miss Bunting sees these people and thinks "Oh, I better make a comment how their government was wrong"
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She hid the fan in her what? Ridicule?
“Reticule”, a small handbag.
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It's annoying that they brush over the fact that Miss Bunting was undeniably saying something very polite and tactful, and got a very extreme reaction she didn't deserve.
In what way was it polite and tactful??
That teacher is completely unlikable very unnecessary character in the show.
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Tbf , Miss Bunting wasnt wrong about Nicholas II 🤣
That killing part. She was right about Nicholas II. The Russian guy was probably mad because someone said it out loud.
Yeah but she was rude
They portrayed the teacher as a villain. Yet she is totally right. I love the show but let's be honest, this is a conservative fantasy about nice rich people who even allows the chofer to marry their daughter.
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Bunting pisses me off so much
Guy has zero actual Russian accent. My kids do it better. Also he could hardly get that upset by a criticism of the Tsar when the Tsar's own family, including his mother and his cousin the English King, was telling him he was screwing up.
But that's the thing with Downton Abbey, it was a conservative fantasy. I love the series but I can see what it is. A show about nice rich people who treat their servants well, there is class colaboration and people is reasonable.
That is why when they tried to write Miss Bunting as annoying they were writing someone who actually was correct
I didn't like him. He was ready to dump his wife for a life of luxury. The way the poor were treated in Russia was a crime. I don't feel sorry for them.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia
How were the poor treated exactly?
@@georgeouroussoff3830 They were starved while the royals lived in luxury off the taxes of the starving. There was no democracy. The poor were ruled by the monarchy. That's why you get revolution. You get it when the mass of poor people have had enough.
@@Messier45_Pleiades This is very primitive point of view. First of all, who had democracy at that time? People lived more or less the same all around Europe. In UK child labour existed for a good while. That were such times, and it was OK for that time. Just two classes existed - rich and poor, but if bolsheviks did not destroy the country - Russia could have established that middle class. Revolutions happen when some one abroad sponsors it - to ruine the legitimate government and destroy the country. And than cover it up by feeding you with fairy tales about poor good people revolting against evil government. Yes, there was no middle class at that time but not only in Russia- again all around Europe.
Aristocrats always donated money to poor,always sponsored schools and universities, built churches that contributed to the education a great deal. You can find the signs of it in historical documents. Nearly all the schools in Russia were build thanks to aristocrats. Democracy by the way is not such a good thing as you probably think.
@@georgeouroussoff3830 We are talking about barely 100 years ago. The UK had a monarchy and a democracy. The schools in Russia were built by aristocrats for the children of other aristocrats., which is also true of all the fee -paying schools in the UK and Europe. Russia was a tinderbox. They slaughtered Jews by the 100s of thousands. What happened the the daughters and the young boy was horrible. They did not need to be murdered, but the system had to change and it did. You cannot have an absolute ruler and expect millions of people to bow to them. Your point of view is imperialist and it is archaic.
I'm still so annoyed that this show almost always presents liberal characters in a negative light. Even Tom is shown to have been "civilized" through his time at Downton, and in doing so, became a "proper capitalist" which is awful because of the Irish constantly being admonished by the English for being "uncivilized," which is exactly the sort of thing Tom in the early seasons riled against
They are not put in a negative light, they simply are judged by early 20th century english aristocrats and rural servants.
While Robert played dress up as a soldier even when told he was basically a mascot. I was embarrassed for him.
When Matthew wasn't going to keep the money he was to inherit which caused Mary to be mad at him since Robert had lost most of Cora's money it reminded me they would have lost Downton back then except for Robert marrying a rich American
What does that have to do with the video
@@jehannethompson1432 it was an adjacent thought ..
@@xadam2dudex ok...