"Wolf Amendment" is a racist law that trying to exclude the Chinese race. The intention of this law is extremely evil, this also means the US government had no regret of their Chinese Exclusion Act, they were forced to remove it. So no access for US and their allies until they show remorse, and we also need to do hypocrisy check on them before allow them in.
So many people cry about the Wolf Amendment , comments like yours are very common . No one ever looks at why the Wolf Amendment was passed , now do they ? Also when the ISS was considered and being built , the Russians had far more space technology to offer and at that time , China had almost no space technology to offer the ISS .
Its is not even about forgiving, it is about not being able to trust the US. I really would not put it past the US to arrange for a sabotage of the Chinese base while the US tries and fails to set up one of their own.
yes, it's not just technology, but organizational know how. This applies to R&D for the requisite technology as well. China's ability to focus, commit, and organize people and resources is astonishing.
China doesn’t need an international team to do what they plan to do. They have been very successful doing by themselves. In the future if some countries want to tag along, it’s fine with China but absolutely not necessary for China to move forward. I have confidence that China can do it by themselves for whatever they plan to do. Their record so far speaks the volumes.❤
I guess China needs some witness for this unbelievable achievements in mankind history, tech alone China can do everything on her own without external help. Artemis program is a different story, participant countries may have budget and some technologies, but the tech challenge is huge and quite risky. It is too early to say who is going to win, but I would bet on team China. lol
It can be international; but as the US didn't want them on the International Space Station, no doubt everything will be written and communicated in Chinese! The lunar "gps" will no doubt be based on Chinese standards. Good luck to them.
Being international doesn't need extra adjectives. China's plan is indeed international and doesn't necessarily need to be. The idea of "Trully being" is a mental flaw and doubt of your ability to do something you already prove you can do cost effectively.
if russia an belorus does something together it is international in the strict meaning of the word, but not in the actual sense. if the nasa and esa work together it is international, but not really. heck, the esa alone is interntional, yet not. so there is several level of international, depending on whether only your puppets, your dependencies or actual different and mostly independent nations do it.
@@thorin1045 The only part of International collab with regards to Moon Bose that is necessary is Funding. If the Moon can pay for the moon base, then International collab is not necessary. Those who need it are those who have everything to gain from it. For example, Pakistan needs rockets to put payloads in space or on the moon. They can pay CNSA to transport their payload. What does CNSA need from Pakistan?
@@goddyfame3424 pakistan spend more on maintaining their nukes than anyone on space other than the usa, so no, pakistan does not need help to go to moon, just don't want to spend on that stuff if others already did that and the benefit of any space activity beyond satellites are the prestige you get from your flag on the crafts and presentations. actual income from the moon is unlikely in this century.
the budget comparison shows perfectly the theory behind 2 moon exploration programs (ILRS vs Artemis), that is ILRS serves/focus on developing countries, where Artemis aims only developed countries. US also weaponize Artemis program to against ILRS and probably has exclusive rules that force its participant can only join one instead of the other. A very American way. So, it's not China willing to make ILRS more international or not, it's US should be criticized to its insane "cold war" mindset and "space race" mindset.
Jean: The 30 June Space Pioneer spectacular 1st stage test failure caught everyone’s attention. The booster failure was a falcon 9 equivalent. Space Pioneer was about a month away from launching a falcon 9 equivalent. A video explaining Space Pioneer’s progress and planned capabilities would be of widespread interest. 1… the expected payload weight capacity 2… how that capacity compares to SpaceX’s first Falcon 9 capacity and how that compares to the latest design SpaceX Falcon 9 3… when will Space Pioneer launch their first Falcon 9 to orbit? 4… what is Space Pioneer’s anticipated launch rate over the next few years? 5… what s Space Pioneer’s chances of upgrading to improved performance Falcon 9 equivalents and when? 6… will Space Pioneer develop a Falcon heavy equivalent or Starship equivalent and when? 7… any other interesting facts you know about Space Pioneer As soon as Space Pioneer successfully launches their Falcon 9 equivalent, they will get lots of attention and possibly motivate the US government to more actively support SpaceX’s starship😊
Our country actually doesn't need help from other countries. The so-called international cooperation is just our generosity in saying 'let's include you as well.
your audio sounds very "wet" and is kinda difficult to listen to for those of us afflicted with the misophonia, is it possible to fix that? love your channel and space news from china is very important!
Danke für diese News, sie sind wie immer sehr interessant. Es ist sehr schade das die USA eine Zusammenarbeit mit China weiterhin blockiert und die ESA in Europa ist zur Zeit auch nicht handlungsfähig. Wenn Russland wieder handlungsfähig ist, wird es sicher wieder interessant.
@@mike4769 Ach ja ich habe schon gehört das im Ausland behauptet wird, die Deutschen haben ihr Hirn an die Amis verkauft. Aber nicht Alle. Es gibt noch Einige die ein wenig Durchblick bewahrt haben.
Budget size doesn't matter when the mission is specific and has fixed budget range. For example, a man who has 10K can buy a car, so can a man with 100k. The car has a fixed price so their financial status is irrellevant to their ability to get what they want.
China welcomes cooperation with western countries, unfortunately many of the western countries are either American colony such as German or American vassals such as France. China understand their fear of the Americans and had let it so and its up to the European themselves to decide.
Used to be a supporter of the US Space Programme until I got more acquainted with the things that the Chinese and Indian Space Programmes are working on. I support China's endeavour in creating a permanent moon base so long as all nationalities were welcome to use, which is an outcome that seems likelier as compared to an American moonbase honestly.
I think that relying on too many countries in this case is not an advantage but a disadvantage. What if one or two fail at their tasks or deliver bad products? It could ruin the entire mission and possibly cause deaths. The Chinese are smart to do all the work themselves and take only some instruments from others that cannot jeopardize a mission.
Of course they can. If someone has the audacity to call the MLB championships as "world series" when only 1 team is outside of the US, then this moon base will be very international in comparison.
I saw on Douyin, Stanley Kubrick and his team setting up and filming the moon landing scenerio, even saw one of the crew holding the picture of the foot imprint. Try searching for this video in TH-cam, can't find it 😮
China should go for an international moon base but not with EU/US. It should rather include India, Indonesia, Singapore, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Brazil, South Africa and Ethiopia.
The problem is USA will publish article after article after article to show their progress on design table at the same time china already build the first floor on the moon that's the difference USA always talk big big money goes everywhere and basicly articles after articles
50 years from now in the United States: We sacrificed three astronauts in space due to technological failures in 2024. We sought help from China, but they refused!🤣
Didn’t bring the Chinese when the international station first launches, knocked their application off with various ‘reasons’; guess it’s their term now.
@@colinliew1400 was the best gift for China space program... for Tiangong Space Station be the only man operated station in space after 2028. Don't look up, ISS is coming down.
@@colinliew1400 Frank Wolf is the most shallow thinker and narrow-minded representative in the US House of Representative. He's a prototype republican pre-Majorie Taylor Greene republicans.
I think having fewer “international partners “ might be a blessing in disguise. More people = more politics. Not to mention organising gets harder. Also, if what SmarterEveryDay said was true, the Americans are planning to send fuel in lots of smaller rockets into orbit and pump it all into the big tank to make the trip to the moon… 😂
Printing is cheap... anyhow our socialism_communism economic system as science and innovation is for sharing.. yup.. when over capacity isn't our human nature.
@archigoel our private enterprise will challenge any sovereign government ambitions.. yup... as you already knew that sovereign as definition is simply as land owners.. hmmmm.. 😑
I totally understand chinese ppl to build every part of the project infrastructure. China is one of the most important insubordinated countries against anglozionist hegemony ruled by USA at the moment, relegate those construction tasks to other country would be a sustantial high risk due to possible USA interference/sabotajes. From the other side, no one is gonna sabotaje the construction of Artemis infrastructure, since Its USA itself the one that maintains that hegemony over most of the members u mentioned (not all of them are puppets). One more thing Dongfang. I recently saw a reusable rocket done by China that went up 10km. Is there more info I can check about that? Have a nice day and thanks for the video, as always.
this month, one of reusable rocket operated first time up to 12 kms，check "deep blue" & “landspace” those are typical Chinese civil rocket companies developing reusable rockets
@@hcjet that test is not from private company but it is from one of the subsidiary companies from CASC which is SAST. They managed to do 12km VTVL at first test and plan to do 70km VTVL at the second test. Landspace only manage 350m VTVL in their test.
Just view the timeline and cost of building ISS vs Tiangong Space Station and you will see the different. China space program will not be held up by interference/sabotages on it's safety record. Base on public, public info mind you, the Chinese "ILRS" will be build & operational 15 year ahead of Artemis.
Artemis is a conjob. you do not need gateway if you have starship, and if you have gateway you do not need starship. both system requires considerable resources and you will be left with nothing to land on the moon with. the reality is most NASA staffer are only interested to go to mars, this is why they build the gateway, it is a demostration for long term flight outside the van allen belt. they only shoehorn the gateway to the moon mission since the congress is only willing to fund that. I am betting on China establishing the moonbase first as they have no selfish intention hidden among their space administrators... NASA pet project is too big of a drain, not just on money but more importantly time.
If I remember right, China had already signed an agreement with Russia for space programs including moon base. Thus, technically, it’d be international.
'international' doesn't have to mean the same as what the West calls 'international'. Their idea of international is basically themselves and their minions.
@@josephguo6256 sino -russo agreement is still international. Russia has no money now to take part in the agreement. Still China will finish the whole project.
@@chengxin2928 China signed the agreement with Russia because it needs the nuclear reactor that Russia will build for them. As for Russia they have their own space program.
Just like tiangong space station international relations in space are good for short term political gains, but they'll only be relevant on the long term when china will have settled on the moon basically by themselves, and while they keep taking market after market and investing into other developing nations space programs, they'll have a direct hand in their activities, so if others countries are interested in space or even the moon they'll quickly realize how out of reach it is for them, they'll have no choice but to depend on china, that's a smart move no matter what you think of it because at least that will allow them to use another country infrastructure to access places and ressources unavailables otherwise, this is some immenses long term political gains for china. Btw artemis is a joke you don't need to be smart to figure that out, this week they just lost a contract made with collins aerospace to develop suits for the artemis program, the thing is it's the most experienced company in the u.s that do that, and the actual suits are now way too old they had to cancel an operation on the iss because of leaks, on the chineses part everything is moving out just fine if not ahead of schedule, on the western part everything go from bad to worse; Missions of scientific nature are getting freezed or cancelled. Starship is showing limitations when it didn't even reached leo. Starliner is full of leak and boeing is about to disappear as things go on. Clps missions are nothing but failures. The european union nations are about to collapse economically and the u.s might follow within a few years. While china did build up a lot of experience and keep their plans ongoing, nasa lost it all in half a century of inactivity on the moon. Orion spacecraft still have issues of unknown nature that make the re entry shield unsuitable for a manned mission to occur And not last but i'm going to stop there because i don't want to write a comment that may actually be deleted for no reasons, an inactive russian satellite exploded forcing the iss crew to prepare to evacuate the station asap just in case as the satellite was on iss orbit. And they really don't need that. Nothing actually go well on the american side and the progress of the manned spaceflight part are really limited and we've yet to know if hls starship is even feasible, nothing is made seriously there that's for sure, and i don't talk about the lunar settlement part, nothing currently exist that even look like a plan, there's no architecture, and we're not even a decade away from the moment they're supposed to have a base? At some point the various countries that signed the artemis accords (mostly because of the legendary pressure the petty us gov is capable of) will have to tear up the whole thing if they want to collaborate with china, not because china will forbid it's partners to work with the us, but because the u.s will forbid the ones they see as pawns to work with china.
To be honest, China along can handle all the aspect of aerospace program, it has 10 million graduates this year along, and 1/3 of it are of engineer/math/physics background. there is enugh human capital in China to fuel almost all industry segments.
China only need one country to join the Moon Base for it to be international. It has more than 10. China has the tech to land and lift off the moon so it has every thing it needs to build the base. The question is Are they two moon bases targeting the same location? If so, then it is indeed a war.
China’s plans over the next 15 years are so exciting. It is quite unbelievable, really, to think of it all coming together! And the Chinese consortium will do it on time and on budget, totally leaving the EU and the US behind.
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India's next Chandrayan 4 is a sample return mission from Moon. Before that Mangalyan 2 (Mars orbiter mission 2 ) will be launched. Now the agency is fully concentrated on human space flight. Also a reusable space shuttle concept is in the initial stages.
Indian astronauts are very good. They can take off their helmets on the moon. And use the super suction of the nose to absorb the oxygen from the earth.
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ILRS will pick up steam once it becomes obvious that it works, and once the Global South develops their economies enough to be interested in space exploration. This also addresses the point of whether China will entrust other countries with constructing critical modules. There's a fundamental difference between the western program, which brings together countries with already established space industries, and China's program, which will include many countries with no prior experience. This project is also about tech transfers as much as anything else. And that's something the West just doesn't do (or in a very limited and politicized way).
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Does this work on the Moon tho? ;-)
Say NO to western hegemony on the moon🌙!!
@@Theodorus5 Only if in line sight of Earth, not on the far-side. ;)
@@AerialWaviator Glad we are all thinking about these important matters before we go there 😁
"Wolf Amendment" is a racist law that trying to exclude the Chinese race. The intention of this law is extremely evil, this also means the US government had no regret of their Chinese Exclusion Act, they were forced to remove it. So no access for US and their allies until they show remorse, and we also need to do hypocrisy check on them before allow them in.
Why should they? The US blocked China from entering the ISS. Why do you ask them to forget and forgive?
So many people cry about the Wolf Amendment , comments like yours are very common . No one ever looks at why the Wolf Amendment was passed , now do they ? Also when the ISS was considered and being built , the Russians had far more space technology to offer and at that time , China had almost no space technology to offer the ISS .
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Its is not even about forgiving, it is about not being able to trust the US. I really would not put it past the US to arrange for a sabotage of the Chinese base while the US tries and fails to set up one of their own.
How ironic
Because it will show them as the reasonable partner
For any kind of building venture my bet is on China. Their infrastructure development is just on another level. No other country even comes close.
過奖了!謝謝!!!但我國還須努力.為了星辰大海.路途還漫長呢。這才剛開始。
yes, it's not just technology, but organizational know how. This applies to R&D for the requisite technology as well. China's ability to focus, commit, and organize people and resources is astonishing.
Tofu dreg?
@@mike4769Yeah….I’m sure.😂
Err, yeah. That little SpaceX startup just can’t hope to compete with the astonishing powerhouse that is China.
China doesn’t need an international team to do what they plan to do. They have been very successful doing by themselves. In the future if some countries want to tag along, it’s fine with China but absolutely not necessary for China to move forward. I have confidence that China can do it by themselves for whatever they plan to do. Their record so far speaks the volumes.❤
I guess China needs some witness for this unbelievable achievements in mankind history, tech alone China can do everything on her own without external help. Artemis program is a different story, participant countries may have budget and some technologies, but the tech challenge is huge and quite risky. It is too early to say who is going to win, but I would bet on team China. lol
100% agreed
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Exactly
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International yes. Excluding the US
plus the West.
International without hegemony
@@kimduong2332 West are excluded
No indians pls. We must protect the moon from pollution
The goal, i think, is to show the us that they made a mistake by banning them from the iss 🤣
Welcome back. Hope you had a wonderful trip. Congratulations
It can be international; but as the US didn't want them on the International Space Station, no doubt everything will be written and communicated in Chinese! The lunar "gps" will no doubt be based on Chinese standards. Good luck to them.
Being international doesn't need extra adjectives. China's plan is indeed international and doesn't necessarily need to be. The idea of "Trully being" is a mental flaw and doubt of your ability to do something you already prove you can do cost effectively.
if russia an belorus does something together it is international in the strict meaning of the word, but not in the actual sense. if the nasa and esa work together it is international, but not really. heck, the esa alone is interntional, yet not. so there is several level of international, depending on whether only your puppets, your dependencies or actual different and mostly independent nations do it.
@@thorin1045 The only part of International collab with regards to Moon Bose that is necessary is Funding. If the Moon can pay for the moon base, then International collab is not necessary. Those who need it are those who have everything to gain from it. For example, Pakistan needs rockets to put payloads in space or on the moon. They can pay CNSA to transport their payload. What does CNSA need from Pakistan?
@@goddyfame3424 pakistan spend more on maintaining their nukes than anyone on space other than the usa, so no, pakistan does not need help to go to moon, just don't want to spend on that stuff if others already did that and the benefit of any space activity beyond satellites are the prestige you get from your flag on the crafts and presentations. actual income from the moon is unlikely in this century.
the budget comparison shows perfectly the theory behind 2 moon exploration programs (ILRS vs Artemis), that is ILRS serves/focus on developing countries, where Artemis aims only developed countries. US also weaponize Artemis program to against ILRS and probably has exclusive rules that force its participant can only join one instead of the other. A very American way. So, it's not China willing to make ILRS more international or not, it's US should be criticized to its insane "cold war" mindset and "space race" mindset.
Jean: The 30 June Space Pioneer spectacular 1st stage test failure caught everyone’s attention. The booster failure was a falcon 9 equivalent. Space Pioneer was about a month away from launching a falcon 9 equivalent. A video explaining Space Pioneer’s progress and planned capabilities would be of widespread interest.
1… the expected payload weight capacity
2… how that capacity compares to SpaceX’s first Falcon 9 capacity and how that compares to the latest design SpaceX Falcon 9
3… when will Space Pioneer launch their first Falcon 9 to orbit?
4… what is Space Pioneer’s anticipated launch rate over the next few years?
5… what s Space Pioneer’s chances of upgrading to improved performance Falcon 9 equivalents and when?
6… will Space Pioneer develop a Falcon heavy equivalent or Starship equivalent and when?
7… any other interesting facts you know about Space Pioneer
As soon as Space Pioneer successfully launches their Falcon 9 equivalent, they will get lots of attention and possibly motivate the US government to more actively support SpaceX’s starship😊
Hey Doug, good idea, adding it to the backlog :)
Not possible to be international. It is like you built a house and you will only invite good friends to visit.
CIA - ' China has destroyed NASA Apollo Mission landing site, leaving no trace of American Astronaut on the Moon surface !!! '
哈哈哈哈哈😂
Our country actually doesn't need help from other countries. The so-called international cooperation is just our generosity in saying 'let's include you as well.
这集质量很高，全部介绍了所有的信息，画面也对
your audio sounds very "wet" and is kinda difficult to listen to for those of us afflicted with the misophonia, is it possible to fix that? love your channel and space news from china is very important!
well i just remenber the International Space Station don't allow china join the project, even russians in.
Informative, packed with information and entertaining as always! Thanks for the great video!!
At 0:45 the screen caption is wrong... Should say 2003
Ah thanks! Too late to change this now… 😔
Thank you very much for your informative update🙏👍🙏
Anyone except the Anglo-Saxon
10:24 it should be Falcon Heavy not Falcon 9 !
Danke für diese News, sie sind wie immer sehr interessant.
Es ist sehr schade das die USA eine Zusammenarbeit mit China weiterhin blockiert und die ESA in Europa ist zur Zeit auch nicht handlungsfähig. Wenn Russland wieder handlungsfähig ist, wird es sicher wieder interessant.
Nice try. No Germans talk like this.
@@mike4769 Ach ja ich habe schon gehört das im Ausland behauptet wird, die Deutschen haben ihr Hirn an die Amis verkauft. Aber nicht Alle. Es gibt noch Einige die ein wenig Durchblick bewahrt haben.
Congrats! New Video!
very objective observation and analysis without political bias, great video
I would ask my son watch this video, he loves science too and has strong interest in astronomy 🪐
Interesting!
Budget size doesn't matter when the mission is specific and has fixed budget range. For example, a man who has 10K can buy a car, so can a man with 100k. The car has a fixed price so their financial status is irrellevant to their ability to get what they want.
China welcomes cooperation with western countries, unfortunately many of the western countries are either American colony such as German or American vassals such as France. China understand their fear of the Americans and had let it so and its up to the European themselves to decide.
Used to be a supporter of the US Space Programme until I got more acquainted with the things that the Chinese and Indian Space Programmes are working on. I support China's endeavour in creating a permanent moon base so long as all nationalities were welcome to use, which is an outcome that seems likelier as compared to an American moonbase honestly.
@@campfiresnlasguns your info, says you are from North Korea, how is it possible??
@@jatingodhwani1916 there are ways to bypass censors
@@campfiresnlasguns you are kidding... Right 🙄.
I think that relying on too many countries in this case is not an advantage but a disadvantage. What if one or two fail at their tasks or deliver bad products? It could ruin the entire mission and possibly cause deaths. The Chinese are smart to do all the work themselves and take only some instruments from others that cannot jeopardize a mission.
International doesn’t mean including everyone, does it?
I am going to the moon tonight
Of course they can. If someone has the audacity to call the MLB championships as "world series" when only 1 team is outside of the US, then this moon base will be very international in comparison.
Good stuff
I saw on Douyin, Stanley Kubrick and his team setting up and filming the moon landing scenerio, even saw one of the crew holding the picture of the foot imprint. Try searching for this video in TH-cam, can't find it 😮
yes, excluding usa
Artificial gravity will be extremely useful in the lunar base. If China can figure that out, it will enhance the success of the lunar base.
Thank you 🙏
Sure. But only limited to 144-hour stay in its international lunar research station.
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We have an old saying in China,... what you say you do, your deeds will bear fruit. .....
China should go for an international moon base but not with EU/US. It should rather include India, Indonesia, Singapore, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Brazil, South Africa and Ethiopia.
I cant imagine china will say. Moon is our sovierinty according 1700 maps of our ancestors😂😂
Good luck 🤞
Go China!
Is it possible the use of SMR (small modular reactors) or pebble bed/breeder type reactors for the ILRS?
I am quite sure China is exploring nuclear power in space.
@@gelinrefirain partnership with Russia under the ILRS framework
I think they can make it universal and get along with every one except America
You will need Chinese language to be able to participate.
Its gonna be international excluding the US. yes
India should come of Artemis program.
I believe china can do i love china
The problem is USA will publish article after article after article to show their progress on design table at the same time china already build the first floor on the moon that's the difference USA always talk big big money goes everywhere and basicly articles after articles
Soon america will be discussed using past tenses
What is internationalization? It is necessary to have the United States and Europe to call internationalization?
NASA asking China to be on Chinese space stations Lol no shame
World wide muslim standing with china 🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇸🇩🇸🇩🇸🇩
Simply sit back and wait how Artemis would be going on in 2035
Well done China,, the technology Giant 💪🏻💪🏻❤
You're my go-to for Chinese space updates.
China's success proves that there are many paths to an advanced future without accepting a single "manifest destiny" value and dominance.
@@Kukura001 There goes "American Exceptionalism" and "The Shiny City upon the Hill".
China should not make it international. Make it purely Chinese and never let US and west access to it
但向來大度的中國民族不是這樣想!他們是在為人類将來、志在星辰大海!😁
China signed an agreement with Russia and this it has to be “international”. But “international” according to them doesn’t have to include the west.
@@hkfoo3333 it is international. But that just means apply through UN. In the end china is the one who decides everything, not UN.
Only to China and its allies only.
Our country has always been generous and has an internationalist spirit, unlike some superpowers that are narrow-minded and selfish
As we speak, the two US astronauts are still stranded in the ISS.
They should ask china to rescue them
@@bluefish7940 cant, because chinese ship cant dock at ISS, so go ask bharat or nippon for help
一切责任！！！都！在！。。。。中国！！！！
@@bluefish7940 有美国的沃尔夫条款，我们国家想救援也救援不了呀
50 years from now in the United States: We sacrificed three astronauts in space due to technological failures in 2024. We sought help from China, but they refused!🤣
Didn’t bring the Chinese when the international station first launches, knocked their application off with various ‘reasons’; guess it’s their term now.
Wolf Amendment 2011
the problem is china literally shoves spyware into everything. so the had to kick them off the project.
@@colinliew1400 was the best gift for China space program... for Tiangong Space Station be the only man operated station in space after 2028. Don't look up, ISS is coming down.
@@colinliew1400 Frank Wolf is the most shallow thinker and narrow-minded representative in the US House of Representative. He's a prototype republican pre-Majorie Taylor Greene republicans.
My money on Team China: USA cannot PRINT the Lunar base, but China can BUILD it.
I think having fewer “international partners “ might be a blessing in disguise. More people = more politics. Not to mention organising gets harder. Also, if what SmarterEveryDay said was true, the Americans are planning to send fuel in lots of smaller rockets into orbit and pump it all into the big tank to make the trip to the moon… 😂
Printing is cheap... anyhow our socialism_communism economic system as science and innovation is for sharing.. yup.. when over capacity isn't our human nature.
😄 China is competing with Space X. Once Starship is up and running, its payload capacity will be insane.
@archigoel our private enterprise will challenge any sovereign government ambitions.. yup... as you already knew that sovereign as definition is simply as land owners.. hmmmm.. 😑
@@archigoel Anything is a competition to Karen and Karen has to be the winner...at all cost. America dream!
Thanks for this extended summary of the ambitious Moon project.
of course，but USA not included
If one think you can play in both sandbox at the same time, beware of the USA one sided objection.
I see Dongfang hour update, I click.
China's success proves that there are many paths to an advanced future without accepting a single "manifest destiny" value and dominance.
Why should we Chinese make it international? Just cooperate with our allies, why should we let our enemies join too?
China does not aim to form "allies" but friends group.
international just in name, friends are welcome.
你去过天安门吗？城楼上左边是“中华人民共和国万岁”右边是“世界人民大团结万岁”，中国并没有所谓的“敌人”，美国不是中国的敌人，日本也不是中国的敌人，他们过去和目前的对中国不利的行动只是出于他们当时的政治环境和意识形态做出的表象，只有“按照目前状况无法达成的共识”。落后确实要挨打，我们不指望其他国家高尚，中国依然做好自己，成为世界上最强大的力量，才有能力去完成人类的终极目标。英特纳雄耐尔就一定要实现
@@LibertyEater 👍👍👍👍👍
@@LibertyEater 天真得近乎幼稚！中国没有把美国和日本视为敌人，但是美国和日本把中国视为敌人啊！结果是一样的：日本和美国，就是中国的敌人！
I think China is better off going it alone. More partners = more problems
China can do everything alone, but we also need to bring some countries as witnesses, otherwise Uncle Sam will say our work is fake😋
@@shadowdragon6639 誰還在乎山姆大叔講的話 只有滿天謊言
@@shadowdragon6639 One of Chinese proverbs says: Pure gold is not scared of blue flame burning(真金不惧红炉火)。Fact is fact, no need of witnesses at all.
China will bring its sponsors in Middle, its strategic partners together
Agreed.
I totally understand chinese ppl to build every part of the project infrastructure. China is one of the most important insubordinated countries against anglozionist hegemony ruled by USA at the moment, relegate those construction tasks to other country would be a sustantial high risk due to possible USA interference/sabotajes. From the other side, no one is gonna sabotaje the construction of Artemis infrastructure, since Its USA itself the one that maintains that hegemony over most of the members u mentioned (not all of them are puppets).
One more thing Dongfang. I recently saw a reusable rocket done by China that went up 10km. Is there more info I can check about that?
Have a nice day and thanks for the video, as always.
this month, one of reusable rocket operated first time up to 12 kms，check "deep blue" & “landspace” those are typical Chinese civil rocket companies developing reusable rockets
Well said, xabiermorales👍🙏✌️
@@hcjet that test is not from private company but it is from one of the subsidiary companies from CASC which is SAST. They managed to do 12km VTVL at first test and plan to do 70km VTVL at the second test. Landspace only manage 350m VTVL in their test.
China's success proves that there are many paths to an advanced future without accepting a single "manifest destiny" value and dominance.
Just view the timeline and cost of building ISS vs Tiangong Space Station and you will see the different.
China space program will not be held up by interference/sabotages on it's safety record.
Base on public, public info mind you, the Chinese "ILRS" will be build & operational 15 year ahead of Artemis.
Another in-depth objective and entertaining presentation of the Chinese space programme!
Not entertaining but more the truth Western Nation Citizen does not see happening as we speak.
Artemis is a conjob. you do not need gateway if you have starship, and if you have gateway you do not need starship. both system requires considerable resources and you will be left with nothing to land on the moon with. the reality is most NASA staffer are only interested to go to mars, this is why they build the gateway, it is a demostration for long term flight outside the van allen belt. they only shoehorn the gateway to the moon mission since the congress is only willing to fund that.
I am betting on China establishing the moonbase first as they have no selfish intention hidden among their space administrators... NASA pet project is too big of a drain, not just on money but more importantly time.
bravo CHINA !!!!!!!
If I remember right, China had already signed an agreement with Russia for space programs including moon base. Thus, technically, it’d be international.
And more countries, including some who also signed up with the Artemis accord, also joining ILRS
'international' doesn't have to mean the same as what the West calls 'international'. Their idea of international is basically themselves and their minions.
Russia is not one of the wests. see
@@josephguo6256 sino -russo agreement is still international. Russia has no money now to take part in the agreement. Still China will finish the whole project.
@@chengxin2928 China signed the agreement with Russia because it needs the nuclear reactor that Russia will build for them. As for Russia they have their own space program.
With China speed, I bet on ILRS to be successful and sustainable due to the effectiveness and efficiency of Chinese govt and bureaucracy
The answer is a no brainer. Any country except the exceptional country, exceptionally troublesome.😊
Just like tiangong space station international relations in space are good for short term political gains, but they'll only be relevant on the long term when china will have settled on the moon basically by themselves, and while they keep taking market after market and investing into other developing nations space programs, they'll have a direct hand in their activities, so if others countries are interested in space or even the moon they'll quickly realize how out of reach it is for them, they'll have no choice but to depend on china, that's a smart move no matter what you think of it because at least that will allow them to use another country infrastructure to access places and ressources unavailables otherwise, this is some immenses long term political gains for china.
Btw artemis is a joke you don't need to be smart to figure that out, this week they just lost a contract made with collins aerospace to develop suits for the artemis program, the thing is it's the most experienced company in the u.s that do that, and the actual suits are now way too old they had to cancel an operation on the iss because of leaks, on the chineses part everything is moving out just fine if not ahead of schedule, on the western part everything go from bad to worse;
Missions of scientific nature are getting freezed or cancelled.
Starship is showing limitations when it didn't even reached leo.
Starliner is full of leak and boeing is about to disappear as things go on.
Clps missions are nothing but failures.
The european union nations are about to collapse economically and the u.s might follow within a few years.
While china did build up a lot of experience and keep their plans ongoing, nasa lost it all in half a century of inactivity on the moon.
Orion spacecraft still have issues of unknown nature that make the re entry shield unsuitable for a manned mission to occur
And not last but i'm going to stop there because i don't want to write a comment that may actually be deleted for no reasons, an inactive russian satellite exploded forcing the iss crew to prepare to evacuate the station asap just in case as the satellite was on iss orbit. And they really don't need that.
Nothing actually go well on the american side and the progress of the manned spaceflight part are really limited and we've yet to know if hls starship is even feasible, nothing is made seriously there that's for sure, and i don't talk about the lunar settlement part, nothing currently exist that even look like a plan, there's no architecture, and we're not even a decade away from the moment they're supposed to have a base?
At some point the various countries that signed the artemis accords (mostly because of the legendary pressure the petty us gov is capable of) will have to tear up the whole thing if they want to collaborate with china, not because china will forbid it's partners to work with the us, but because the u.s will forbid the ones they see as pawns to work with china.
China is every definition of: "Fine, I will do it myself".
Nice presentation with no political bias. Thanks!
Even this need to be complemented omg
Because everything is politicized nowadays😅@@不动不静
International except USA
Its not about who is 1st on the moon but who will last on the moon.
It’s not how you start that’s important but how you finish.
@@bengong4383 But the bases are meant to be permanent?
@@Astra2 .should be Last longer .😄
The US was not even first on most space exploration achievements. The Soviet Union was the one that did most of the achievements.
@@gelinrefiraThe US was the first to use Hollywood for space exploration. It will also be the last.
To be honest, China along can handle all the aspect of aerospace program, it has 10 million graduates this year along, and 1/3 of it are of engineer/math/physics background.
there is enugh human capital in China to fuel almost all industry segments.
China only need one country to join the Moon Base for it to be international. It has more than 10. China has the tech to land and lift off the moon so it has every thing it needs to build the base. The question is Are they two moon bases targeting the same location? If so, then it is indeed a war.
中国有一句话就是，曾经的我你爱答不理，高高在上。现在的我让你高攀不起！！以后的我你高攀都是一种奢望！！这不是开玩笑！！任何事情只要我想，没有什么做不到！！知道从月球31倍音速返回仓，意味着什么吗？
Even Eskimo is welcomed but US. Due to national security taught by US.
Hurry up and build that moonbase China. I want to have some dim sum in space before i die.
China’s plans over the next 15 years are so exciting. It is quite unbelievable, really, to think of it all coming together!
And the Chinese consortium will do it on time and on budget, totally leaving the EU and the US behind.
這話留給别人說.我們中國人自己只需用行動.和實力說話就成.比如今天的嫦娥六號我所看到視頻可以說絶大多數的人和媒體都给我們祖國的肯定和贊揚.!我看到了.就是一種享受!😁
不是财团哦，我们的航天不是由财团控制的哦
Before talking about competitions, let’s see if the West Artemis project could actually softly deliver some working equipments to the moon surface.
Base on national security, big no for USA
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КНР плетется позади планеты всей копируя их технологии.
Dear China Space Programs,
I am interesting in volunteer to services the Moon mission, I have electronics background and experience in electrical wiring. Will work for food and board and willing to travel to the Moon...
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Awesome episode thanks for the update!
Congratulations China, this is your century.
Other country should respect chinas sovereignty on the moon...
India's next Chandrayan 4 is a sample return mission from Moon. Before that Mangalyan 2 (Mars orbiter mission 2 ) will be launched. Now the agency is fully concentrated on human space flight. Also a reusable space shuttle concept is in the initial stages.
先100%成功一次，别再闹什么99%成功的笑话了
@@坐著火車去台灣 says a Chinese whose rockets fall from the sky in civilian areas 🤡🤮🤣🤣🤣
@@ultranoobpromaxInfinity 没错，发生事故的是一个民营航天公司犯的错，当天在实验800吨推力的火箭时发生的失误。
在中国失败并不可怕，因为我们会在失败中吸取教训。
请问你们从登月失败中吸取了什么教训？我怎么听说你们的航天负责人说要把穆迪送上太空？是嫌穆迪活太久了吗？
@@ultranoobpromaxInfinitydo you really want to compare China with india 😂😂
Indian astronauts are very good. They can take off their helmets on the moon. And use the super suction of the nose to absorb the oxygen from the earth.
The only moon USA astronauts walked on was in Hollywood😂
@@Dragon3514-m9u 🤦🤦
Bro i think you are graduate from WhatsApp University
Definitely it is international base, but not include US
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Finally! We really miss your videos. This is very cool, please don't disappear.
Thanks for the kind words ☺️ This video took a while to make…
@@DongfangHourAnd verifications from multiple sources
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Only if you read Xi Jing Ping thought everyday (学习）and denounce evil democracy （与境外势力斗争到底）. That's a steal for a lot of TH-camrs. Yum
ILRS will pick up steam once it becomes obvious that it works, and once the Global South develops their economies enough to be interested in space exploration.
This also addresses the point of whether China will entrust other countries with constructing critical modules. There's a fundamental difference between the western program, which brings together countries with already established space industries, and China's program, which will include many countries with no prior experience. This project is also about tech transfers as much as anything else. And that's something the West just doesn't do (or in a very limited and politicized way).
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