"Wolf Amendment" is a racist law that trying to exclude the Chinese race. The intention of this law is extremely evil, this also means the US government had no regret of their Chinese Exclusion Act, they were forced to remove it. So no access for US and their allies until they show remorse, and we also need to do hypocrisy check on them before allow them in.
So many people cry about the Wolf Amendment , comments like yours are very common . No one ever looks at why the Wolf Amendment was passed , now do they ? Also when the ISS was considered and being built , the Russians had far more space technology to offer and at that time , China had almost no space technology to offer the ISS .
Its is not even about forgiving, it is about not being able to trust the US. I really would not put it past the US to arrange for a sabotage of the Chinese base while the US tries and fails to set up one of their own.
China doesn’t need an international team to do what they plan to do. They have been very successful doing by themselves. In the future if some countries want to tag along, it’s fine with China but absolutely not necessary for China to move forward. I have confidence that China can do it by themselves for whatever they plan to do. Their record so far speaks the volumes.❤
I guess China needs some witness for this unbelievable achievements in mankind history, tech alone China can do everything on her own without external help. Artemis program is a different story, participant countries may have budget and some technologies, but the tech challenge is huge and quite risky. It is too early to say who is going to win, but I would bet on team China. lol
yes, it's not just technology, but organizational know how. This applies to R&D for the requisite technology as well. China's ability to focus, commit, and organize people and resources is astonishing.
Didn’t bring the Chinese when the international station first launches, knocked their application off with various ‘reasons’; guess it’s their term now.
@@colinliew1400 was the best gift for China space program... for Tiangong Space Station be the only man operated station in space after 2028. Don't look up, ISS is coming down.
@@colinliew1400 Frank Wolf is the most shallow thinker and narrow-minded representative in the US House of Representative. He's a prototype republican pre-Majorie Taylor Greene republicans.
I think having fewer “international partners “ might be a blessing in disguise. More people = more politics. Not to mention organising gets harder. Also, if what SmarterEveryDay said was true, the Americans are planning to send fuel in lots of smaller rockets into orbit and pump it all into the big tank to make the trip to the moon… 😂
Printing is cheap... anyhow our socialism_communism economic system as science and innovation is for sharing.. yup.. when over capacity isn't our human nature.
@archigoel our private enterprise will challenge any sovereign government ambitions.. yup... as you already knew that sovereign as definition is simply as land owners.. hmmmm.. 😑
50 years from now in the United States: We sacrificed three astronauts in space due to technological failures in 2024. We sought help from China, but they refused!🤣
I totally understand chinese ppl to build every part of the project infrastructure. China is one of the most important insubordinated countries against anglozionist hegemony ruled by USA at the moment, relegate those construction tasks to other country would be a sustantial high risk due to possible USA interference/sabotajes. From the other side, no one is gonna sabotaje the construction of Artemis infrastructure, since Its USA itself the one that maintains that hegemony over most of the members u mentioned (not all of them are puppets). One more thing Dongfang. I recently saw a reusable rocket done by China that went up 10km. Is there more info I can check about that? Have a nice day and thanks for the video, as always.
this month, one of reusable rocket operated first time up to 12 kms，check "deep blue" & “landspace” those are typical Chinese civil rocket companies developing reusable rockets
@@hcjet that test is not from private company but it is from one of the subsidiary companies from CASC which is SAST. They managed to do 12km VTVL at first test and plan to do 70km VTVL at the second test. Landspace only manage 350m VTVL in their test.
Just view the timeline and cost of building ISS vs Tiangong Space Station and you will see the different. China space program will not be held up by interference/sabotages on it's safety record. Base on public, public info mind you, the Chinese "ILRS" will be build & operational 15 year ahead of Artemis.
If I remember right, China had already signed an agreement with Russia for space programs including moon base. Thus, technically, it’d be international.
'international' doesn't have to mean the same as what the West calls 'international'. Their idea of international is basically themselves and their minions.
@@josephguo6256 sino -russo agreement is still international. Russia has no money now to take part in the agreement. Still China will finish the whole project.
@@chengxin2928 China signed the agreement with Russia because it needs the nuclear reactor that Russia will build for them. As for Russia they have their own space program.
Just like tiangong space station international relations in space are good for short term political gains, but they'll only be relevant on the long term when china will have settled on the moon basically by themselves, and while they keep taking market after market and investing into other developing nations space programs, they'll have a direct hand in their activities, so if others countries are interested in space or even the moon they'll quickly realize how out of reach it is for them, they'll have no choice but to depend on china, that's a smart move no matter what you think of it because at least that will allow them to use another country infrastructure to access places and ressources unavailables otherwise, this is some immenses long term political gains for china. Btw artemis is a joke you don't need to be smart to figure that out, this week they just lost a contract made with collins aerospace to develop suits for the artemis program, the thing is it's the most experienced company in the u.s that do that, and the actual suits are now way too old they had to cancel an operation on the iss because of leaks, on the chineses part everything is moving out just fine if not ahead of schedule, on the western part everything go from bad to worse; Missions of scientific nature are getting freezed or cancelled. Starship is showing limitations when it didn't even reached leo. Starliner is full of leak and boeing is about to disappear as things go on. Clps missions are nothing but failures. The european union nations are about to collapse economically and the u.s might follow within a few years. While china did build up a lot of experience and keep their plans ongoing, nasa lost it all in half a century of inactivity on the moon. Orion spacecraft still have issues of unknown nature that make the re entry shield unsuitable for a manned mission to occur And not last but i'm going to stop there because i don't want to write a comment that may actually be deleted for no reasons, an inactive russian satellite exploded forcing the iss crew to prepare to evacuate the station asap just in case as the satellite was on iss orbit. And they really don't need that. Nothing actually go well on the american side and the progress of the manned spaceflight part are really limited and we've yet to know if hls starship is even feasible, nothing is made seriously there that's for sure, and i don't talk about the lunar settlement part, nothing currently exist that even look like a plan, there's no architecture, and we're not even a decade away from the moment they're supposed to have a base? At some point the various countries that signed the artemis accords (mostly because of the legendary pressure the petty us gov is capable of) will have to tear up the whole thing if they want to collaborate with china, not because china will forbid it's partners to work with the us, but because the u.s will forbid the ones they see as pawns to work with china.
It can be international; but as the US didn't want them on the International Space Station, no doubt everything will be written and communicated in Chinese! The lunar "gps" will no doubt be based on Chinese standards. Good luck to them.
Artemis is a conjob. you do not need gateway if you have starship, and if you have gateway you do not need starship. both system requires considerable resources and you will be left with nothing to land on the moon with. the reality is most NASA staffer are only interested to go to mars, this is why they build the gateway, it is a demostration for long term flight outside the van allen belt. they only shoehorn the gateway to the moon mission since the congress is only willing to fund that. I am betting on China establishing the moonbase first as they have no selfish intention hidden among their space administrators... NASA pet project is too big of a drain, not just on money but more importantly time.
The very first imagery says on the screen"2023" but the audio says the year is 2003, and the next year is 2004. So, how consistent is the rest of the video? Well, it seems that the documentation is good, and the assumptions are logical. So when I watched this it was in fact rewarding. 😉
Being international doesn't need extra adjectives. China's plan is indeed international and doesn't necessarily need to be. The idea of "Trully being" is a mental flaw and doubt of your ability to do something you already prove you can do cost effectively.
if russia an belorus does something together it is international in the strict meaning of the word, but not in the actual sense. if the nasa and esa work together it is international, but not really. heck, the esa alone is interntional, yet not. so there is several level of international, depending on whether only your puppets, your dependencies or actual different and mostly independent nations do it.
@@thorin1045 The only part of International collab with regards to Moon Bose that is necessary is Funding. If the Moon can pay for the moon base, then International collab is not necessary. Those who need it are those who have everything to gain from it. For example, Pakistan needs rockets to put payloads in space or on the moon. They can pay CNSA to transport their payload. What does CNSA need from Pakistan?
@@goddyfame3424 pakistan spend more on maintaining their nukes than anyone on space other than the usa, so no, pakistan does not need help to go to moon, just don't want to spend on that stuff if others already did that and the benefit of any space activity beyond satellites are the prestige you get from your flag on the crafts and presentations. actual income from the moon is unlikely in this century.
China only need one country to join the Moon Base for it to be international. It has more than 10. China has the tech to land and lift off the moon so it has every thing it needs to build the base. The question is Are they two moon bases targeting the same location? If so, then it is indeed a war.
To be honest, China along can handle all the aspect of aerospace program, it has 10 million graduates this year along, and 1/3 of it are of engineer/math/physics background. there is enugh human capital in China to fuel almost all industry segments.
ILRS will pick up steam once it becomes obvious that it works, and once the Global South develops their economies enough to be interested in space exploration. This also addresses the point of whether China will entrust other countries with constructing critical modules. There's a fundamental difference between the western program, which brings together countries with already established space industries, and China's program, which will include many countries with no prior experience. This project is also about tech transfers as much as anything else. And that's something the West just doesn't do (or in a very limited and politicized way).
When China went to space for the first time in 2003, Shenzhou 5, the lone pilot stayed in orbit for 21 hours, and after he got back to earth, he could barely stand, kind of walking limping. The next mission, Shenzhou 6, two pilots stayed in orbit for 4 days, and they could barely stand too, but not really walk. Longer missions, 10-15 days, they cannot even stand. Soviets don't show much, but their pilots are always dragged out by others, not by themselves, and they are on some stretchers. So, how come only Americans walk out and jumping and running and standing on their feet, right after their space missions? Moon mission, 12 days, they walk out and stood on their feet fine. Skylab 4 mission, 84 days in space, they got out of capsule on their own and walked out like soldiers. Space Shuttle, sometimes 15, 19 days in space, they march out of the shuttle as if they are ready to fight. Do you have more information on this? How does Chinese citizens view about American space program?
the budget comparison shows perfectly the theory behind 2 moon exploration programs (ILRS vs Artemis), that is ILRS serves/focus on developing countries, where Artemis aims only developed countries. US also weaponize Artemis program to against ILRS and probably has exclusive rules that force its participant can only join one instead of the other. A very American way. So, it's not China willing to make ILRS more international or not, it's US should be criticized to its insane "cold war" mindset and "space race" mindset.
China’s plans over the next 15 years are so exciting. It is quite unbelievable, really, to think of it all coming together! And the Chinese consortium will do it on time and on budget, totally leaving the EU and the US behind.
India's next Chandrayan 4 is a sample return mission from Moon. Before that Mangalyan 2 (Mars orbiter mission 2 ) will be launched. Now the agency is fully concentrated on human space flight. Also a reusable space shuttle concept is in the initial stages.
Jean: The 30 June Space Pioneer spectacular 1st stage test failure caught everyone’s attention. The booster failure was a falcon 9 equivalent. Space Pioneer was about a month away from launching a falcon 9 equivalent. A video explaining Space Pioneer’s progress and planned capabilities would be of widespread interest. 1… the expected payload weight capacity 2… how that capacity compares to SpaceX’s first Falcon 9 capacity and how that compares to the latest design SpaceX Falcon 9 3… when will Space Pioneer launch their first Falcon 9 to orbit? 4… what is Space Pioneer’s anticipated launch rate over the next few years? 5… what s Space Pioneer’s chances of upgrading to improved performance Falcon 9 equivalents and when? 6… will Space Pioneer develop a Falcon heavy equivalent or Starship equivalent and when? 7… any other interesting facts you know about Space Pioneer As soon as Space Pioneer successfully launches their Falcon 9 equivalent, they will get lots of attention and possibly motivate the US government to more actively support SpaceX’s starship😊
Our country actually doesn't need help from other countries. The so-called international cooperation is just our generosity in saying 'let's include you as well.
oh wait,when britis went to australia for the first time hundreds years ago ,did they invite china to come to australia to share the land and own the huge island together?
Danke für diese News, sie sind wie immer sehr interessant. Es ist sehr schade das die USA eine Zusammenarbeit mit China weiterhin blockiert und die ESA in Europa ist zur Zeit auch nicht handlungsfähig. Wenn Russland wieder handlungsfähig ist, wird es sicher wieder interessant.
@@mike4769 Ach ja ich habe schon gehört das im Ausland behauptet wird, die Deutschen haben ihr Hirn an die Amis verkauft. Aber nicht Alle. Es gibt noch Einige die ein wenig Durchblick bewahrt haben.
It’s not surprising that western countries didn’t want to join the ILR. Western countries have their own traditions and space programs. China needs to focus on countries that have some space capabilities and do want to join the ILR.
the gutter oil thing first started in Taiwan, recently taiwanese youtuber question whats wrong for using industrial coloring on food since theres no experinment on damage of industrial coloring to human body. ah yes, taiwanese went to mainland to source material to sell back to taiwan to make industrial-use coloring and put in food. Democracy, human right and the western value, great!
After watching your video and understanding the space technology and budget provided by Artemis and ILRS member countries, why do I feel China VS the whole world?
Your world seems to be from Western propaganda definition. In case you missed the memo, there are 193 countries in the world, not just the 30+ Western ones.
Space exploration is a long term game, being the first isn’t always meaningful. Space is no longer about ideological battle, now it’s all about making money.
As an American, I personally think that China should refuse to cooperate with the United States, because when China was still relatively weak, the United States joined the G7 countries to prevent China from joining.
China should definitely share its moon base with other nations. It will certainly give China a moral high-ground on the international stage. When the US goes low, China goes high.
China can go it along first, when China reach MARS may be people will start to join. Artemis is not going anywhere at the moment ... only time will tell
Can the ILRS become international? No reason not to. Сhina has plenty of friends among the BRICS+, SCO and BRI member states who can be invited and be more than happy to join the program.
China welcomes cooperation with western countries, unfortunately many of the western countries are either American colony such as German or American vassals such as France. China understand their fear of the Americans and had let it so and its up to the European themselves to decide.
your audio sounds very "wet" and is kinda difficult to listen to for those of us afflicted with the misophonia, is it possible to fix that? love your channel and space news from china is very important!
Unless there’s something new to the moon landing conspiracies, every space-interested person has seen the evidence, and either believes in the conspiracy, or has concluded the impossibility of a faked moon landing in the face of tens of thousands of people who would need to be “in” on it. Interjecting what amounts to “the moon landing is fake” on every moon related video, is not respectful behavior, and thus does not deserve respect in turn.
@@tomblaise Dmitry Rogozin, the former head of Russia’s space agency Roscosmos certainly didn't think so. I think thousands of people were on the part where the Apollo capsule orbited the moon. We will know whether the US has really landed persons there by the end of this decade if NASA stumbles bad.
@@nostradamus2642 🤔 Interesting how he only vocalized this belief as soon as his country was in a proxy war with the United States. I wouldn’t be taking ideas from Roscosmos on US space exploration any more than I’d take ideas on US politics from Putin. The current performance of NASA can’t reveal anything about what happened half a century ago either.
@@tomblaise He vocalized his belief as he no longer had inhibitions to do so. He pointed out the Russian space agency warned him not to speak his mind out of concern the Americans (ISS partner) would take it badly thereby effecting working relationship. Got to go...
@@nostradamus2642 Possible, but less likely than the alternative. Either way, you’re using a fundamentally biased source to support your point with no way to tell if he actually believes it, or is just pushing anti-American propaganda (like the rest of the Russian government). Even if he does truly believe it, there’s no way to tell he has any more justification than the average moon conspiracy theorist.
Twelve nations have currently subscribed to the International Lunar Research Station (ILRS) program, led by Russia and China. Guess that number might double within the next ten years.
Chang’e 6 used French, pakistan, Italian and Swedish tech gadgets! It’s an international joint venture. The Wolfe amendment is still keeping us sitting on a high horse!
My crystal ball tells me that Artemis will be beset with problems like funding & delays and the ILRS will have a higher chance of happening on schedule.
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Does this work on the Moon tho? ;-)
Say NO to western hegemony on the moon🌙!!
@@Theodorus5 Only if in line sight of Earth, not on the far-side. ;)
@@AerialWaviator Glad we are all thinking about these important matters before we go there 😁
"Wolf Amendment" is a racist law that trying to exclude the Chinese race. The intention of this law is extremely evil, this also means the US government had no regret of their Chinese Exclusion Act, they were forced to remove it. So no access for US and their allies until they show remorse, and we also need to do hypocrisy check on them before allow them in.
Why should they? The US blocked China from entering the ISS. Why do you ask them to forget and forgive?
So many people cry about the Wolf Amendment , comments like yours are very common . No one ever looks at why the Wolf Amendment was passed , now do they ? Also when the ISS was considered and being built , the Russians had far more space technology to offer and at that time , China had almost no space technology to offer the ISS .
Approve
Its is not even about forgiving, it is about not being able to trust the US. I really would not put it past the US to arrange for a sabotage of the Chinese base while the US tries and fails to set up one of their own.
How ironic
Because it will show them as the reasonable partner
China doesn’t need an international team to do what they plan to do. They have been very successful doing by themselves. In the future if some countries want to tag along, it’s fine with China but absolutely not necessary for China to move forward. I have confidence that China can do it by themselves for whatever they plan to do. Their record so far speaks the volumes.❤
I guess China needs some witness for this unbelievable achievements in mankind history, tech alone China can do everything on her own without external help. Artemis program is a different story, participant countries may have budget and some technologies, but the tech challenge is huge and quite risky. It is too early to say who is going to win, but I would bet on team China. lol
100% agreed
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😊😊😊😊如果其他国家给足中国经费，中国也可以把你们的上帝、真主带到月球，比如在月球上修建清真寺或者教堂，哈哈哈哈。
Exactly
You're my go-to for Chinese space updates.
China's success proves that there are many paths to an advanced future without accepting a single "manifest destiny" value and dominance.
@@Kukura001 There goes "American Exceptionalism" and "The Shiny City upon the Hill".
For any kind of building venture my bet is on China. Their infrastructure development is just on another level. No other country even comes close.
過奖了!謝謝!!!但我國還須努力.為了星辰大海.路途還漫長呢。這才剛開始。
yes, it's not just technology, but organizational know how. This applies to R&D for the requisite technology as well. China's ability to focus, commit, and organize people and resources is astonishing.
Tofu dreg?
@@mike4769Yeah….I’m sure.😂
Err, yeah. That little SpaceX startup just can’t hope to compete with the astonishing powerhouse that is China.
China should not make it international. Make it purely Chinese and never let US and west access to it
但向來大度的中國民族不是這樣想!他們是在為人類将來、志在星辰大海!😁
China signed an agreement with Russia and this it has to be “international”. But “international” according to them doesn’t have to include the west.
@@hkfoo3333 it is international. But that just means apply through UN. In the end china is the one who decides everything, not UN.
Only to China and its allies only.
Our country has always been generous and has an internationalist spirit, unlike some superpowers that are narrow-minded and selfish
Well done China,, the technology Giant 💪🏻💪🏻❤
Didn’t bring the Chinese when the international station first launches, knocked their application off with various ‘reasons’; guess it’s their term now.
Wolf Amendment 2011
the problem is china literally shoves spyware into everything. so the had to kick them off the project.
@@colinliew1400 was the best gift for China space program... for Tiangong Space Station be the only man operated station in space after 2028. Don't look up, ISS is coming down.
@@colinliew1400 Frank Wolf is the most shallow thinker and narrow-minded representative in the US House of Representative. He's a prototype republican pre-Majorie Taylor Greene republicans.
International yes. Excluding the US
plus the West.
International without hegemony
@@kimduong2332 West are excluded
No indians pls. We must protect the moon from pollution
The goal, i think, is to show the us that they made a mistake by banning them from the iss 🤣
My money on Team China: USA cannot PRINT the Lunar base, but China can BUILD it.
I think having fewer “international partners “ might be a blessing in disguise. More people = more politics. Not to mention organising gets harder. Also, if what SmarterEveryDay said was true, the Americans are planning to send fuel in lots of smaller rockets into orbit and pump it all into the big tank to make the trip to the moon… 😂
Printing is cheap... anyhow our socialism_communism economic system as science and innovation is for sharing.. yup.. when over capacity isn't our human nature.
😄 China is competing with Space X. Once Starship is up and running, its payload capacity will be insane.
@archigoel our private enterprise will challenge any sovereign government ambitions.. yup... as you already knew that sovereign as definition is simply as land owners.. hmmmm.. 😑
@@archigoel Anything is a competition to Karen and Karen has to be the winner...at all cost. America dream!
As we speak, the two US astronauts are still stranded in the ISS.
They should ask china to rescue them
@@bluefish7940 cant, because chinese ship cant dock at ISS, so go ask bharat or nippon for help
一切责任！！！都！在！。。。。中国！！！！
@@bluefish7940 有美国的沃尔夫条款，我们国家想救援也救援不了呀
50 years from now in the United States: We sacrificed three astronauts in space due to technological failures in 2024. We sought help from China, but they refused!🤣
I totally understand chinese ppl to build every part of the project infrastructure. China is one of the most important insubordinated countries against anglozionist hegemony ruled by USA at the moment, relegate those construction tasks to other country would be a sustantial high risk due to possible USA interference/sabotajes. From the other side, no one is gonna sabotaje the construction of Artemis infrastructure, since Its USA itself the one that maintains that hegemony over most of the members u mentioned (not all of them are puppets).
One more thing Dongfang. I recently saw a reusable rocket done by China that went up 10km. Is there more info I can check about that?
Have a nice day and thanks for the video, as always.
this month, one of reusable rocket operated first time up to 12 kms，check "deep blue" & “landspace” those are typical Chinese civil rocket companies developing reusable rockets
Well said, xabiermorales👍🙏✌️
@@hcjet that test is not from private company but it is from one of the subsidiary companies from CASC which is SAST. They managed to do 12km VTVL at first test and plan to do 70km VTVL at the second test. Landspace only manage 350m VTVL in their test.
China's success proves that there are many paths to an advanced future without accepting a single "manifest destiny" value and dominance.
Just view the timeline and cost of building ISS vs Tiangong Space Station and you will see the different.
China space program will not be held up by interference/sabotages on it's safety record.
Base on public, public info mind you, the Chinese "ILRS" will be build & operational 15 year ahead of Artemis.
Another in-depth objective and entertaining presentation of the Chinese space programme!
Not entertaining but more the truth Western Nation Citizen does not see happening as we speak.
I think China is better off going it alone. More partners = more problems
China can do everything alone, but we also need to bring some countries as witnesses, otherwise Uncle Sam will say our work is fake😋
@@shadowdragon6639 誰還在乎山姆大叔講的話 只有滿天謊言
@@shadowdragon6639 One of Chinese proverbs says: Pure gold is not scared of blue flame burning(真金不惧红炉火)。Fact is fact, no need of witnesses at all.
China will bring its sponsors in Middle, its strategic partners together
Agreed.
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China's success proves that there are many paths to an advanced future without accepting a single "manifest destiny" value and dominance.
Thanks for this extended summary of the ambitious Moon project.
If I remember right, China had already signed an agreement with Russia for space programs including moon base. Thus, technically, it’d be international.
And more countries, including some who also signed up with the Artemis accord, also joining ILRS
'international' doesn't have to mean the same as what the West calls 'international'. Their idea of international is basically themselves and their minions.
Russia is not one of the wests. see
@@josephguo6256 sino -russo agreement is still international. Russia has no money now to take part in the agreement. Still China will finish the whole project.
@@chengxin2928 China signed the agreement with Russia because it needs the nuclear reactor that Russia will build for them. As for Russia they have their own space program.
Why should we Chinese make it international? Just cooperate with our allies, why should we let our enemies join too?
China does not aim to form "allies" but friends group.
international just in name, friends are welcome.
你去过天安门吗？城楼上左边是“中华人民共和国万岁”右边是“世界人民大团结万岁”，中国并没有所谓的“敌人”，美国不是中国的敌人，日本也不是中国的敌人，他们过去和目前的对中国不利的行动只是出于他们当时的政治环境和意识形态做出的表象，只有“按照目前状况无法达成的共识”。落后确实要挨打，我们不指望其他国家高尚，中国依然做好自己，成为世界上最强大的力量，才有能力去完成人类的终极目标。英特纳雄耐尔就一定要实现
@@LibertyEater 👍👍👍👍👍
@@LibertyEater 天真得近乎幼稚！中国没有把美国和日本视为敌人，但是美国和日本把中国视为敌人啊！结果是一样的：日本和美国，就是中国的敌人！
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Nice presentation with no political bias. Thanks!
Even this need to be complemented omg
Because everything is politicized nowadays😅@@不动不静
of course，but USA not included
If one think you can play in both sandbox at the same time, beware of the USA one sided objection.
With China speed, I bet on ILRS to be successful and sustainable due to the effectiveness and efficiency of Chinese govt and bureaucracy
China is every definition of: "Fine, I will do it myself".
Just like tiangong space station international relations in space are good for short term political gains, but they'll only be relevant on the long term when china will have settled on the moon basically by themselves, and while they keep taking market after market and investing into other developing nations space programs, they'll have a direct hand in their activities, so if others countries are interested in space or even the moon they'll quickly realize how out of reach it is for them, they'll have no choice but to depend on china, that's a smart move no matter what you think of it because at least that will allow them to use another country infrastructure to access places and ressources unavailables otherwise, this is some immenses long term political gains for china.
Btw artemis is a joke you don't need to be smart to figure that out, this week they just lost a contract made with collins aerospace to develop suits for the artemis program, the thing is it's the most experienced company in the u.s that do that, and the actual suits are now way too old they had to cancel an operation on the iss because of leaks, on the chineses part everything is moving out just fine if not ahead of schedule, on the western part everything go from bad to worse;
Missions of scientific nature are getting freezed or cancelled.
Starship is showing limitations when it didn't even reached leo.
Starliner is full of leak and boeing is about to disappear as things go on.
Clps missions are nothing but failures.
The european union nations are about to collapse economically and the u.s might follow within a few years.
While china did build up a lot of experience and keep their plans ongoing, nasa lost it all in half a century of inactivity on the moon.
Orion spacecraft still have issues of unknown nature that make the re entry shield unsuitable for a manned mission to occur
And not last but i'm going to stop there because i don't want to write a comment that may actually be deleted for no reasons, an inactive russian satellite exploded forcing the iss crew to prepare to evacuate the station asap just in case as the satellite was on iss orbit. And they really don't need that.
Nothing actually go well on the american side and the progress of the manned spaceflight part are really limited and we've yet to know if hls starship is even feasible, nothing is made seriously there that's for sure, and i don't talk about the lunar settlement part, nothing currently exist that even look like a plan, there's no architecture, and we're not even a decade away from the moment they're supposed to have a base?
At some point the various countries that signed the artemis accords (mostly because of the legendary pressure the petty us gov is capable of) will have to tear up the whole thing if they want to collaborate with china, not because china will forbid it's partners to work with the us, but because the u.s will forbid the ones they see as pawns to work with china.
bravo CHINA !!!!!!!
Its not about who is 1st on the moon but who will last on the moon.
It’s not how you start that’s important but how you finish.
@@bengong4383 But the bases are meant to be permanent?
@@Astra2 .should be Last longer .😄
The US was not even first on most space exploration achievements. The Soviet Union was the one that did most of the achievements.
@@gelinrefiraThe US was the first to use Hollywood for space exploration. It will also be the last.
International except USA
It can be international; but as the US didn't want them on the International Space Station, no doubt everything will be written and communicated in Chinese! The lunar "gps" will no doubt be based on Chinese standards. Good luck to them.
The answer is a no brainer. Any country except the exceptional country, exceptionally troublesome.😊
Artemis is a conjob. you do not need gateway if you have starship, and if you have gateway you do not need starship. both system requires considerable resources and you will be left with nothing to land on the moon with. the reality is most NASA staffer are only interested to go to mars, this is why they build the gateway, it is a demostration for long term flight outside the van allen belt. they only shoehorn the gateway to the moon mission since the congress is only willing to fund that.
I am betting on China establishing the moonbase first as they have no selfish intention hidden among their space administrators... NASA pet project is too big of a drain, not just on money but more importantly time.
Welcome back. Hope you had a wonderful trip. Congratulations
Great video as always. I'm always happy to hear more details about Chinese progress.
The very first imagery says on the screen"2023" but the audio says the year is 2003, and the next year is 2004. So, how consistent is the rest of the video? Well, it seems that the documentation is good, and the assumptions are logical. So when I watched this it was in fact rewarding. 😉
Hurry up and build that moonbase China. I want to have some dim sum in space before i die.
Being international doesn't need extra adjectives. China's plan is indeed international and doesn't necessarily need to be. The idea of "Trully being" is a mental flaw and doubt of your ability to do something you already prove you can do cost effectively.
if russia an belorus does something together it is international in the strict meaning of the word, but not in the actual sense. if the nasa and esa work together it is international, but not really. heck, the esa alone is interntional, yet not. so there is several level of international, depending on whether only your puppets, your dependencies or actual different and mostly independent nations do it.
@@thorin1045 The only part of International collab with regards to Moon Bose that is necessary is Funding. If the Moon can pay for the moon base, then International collab is not necessary. Those who need it are those who have everything to gain from it. For example, Pakistan needs rockets to put payloads in space or on the moon. They can pay CNSA to transport their payload. What does CNSA need from Pakistan?
@@goddyfame3424 pakistan spend more on maintaining their nukes than anyone on space other than the usa, so no, pakistan does not need help to go to moon, just don't want to spend on that stuff if others already did that and the benefit of any space activity beyond satellites are the prestige you get from your flag on the crafts and presentations. actual income from the moon is unlikely in this century.
China only need one country to join the Moon Base for it to be international. It has more than 10. China has the tech to land and lift off the moon so it has every thing it needs to build the base. The question is Are they two moon bases targeting the same location? If so, then it is indeed a war.
Awesome episode thanks for the update!
To be honest, China along can handle all the aspect of aerospace program, it has 10 million graduates this year along, and 1/3 of it are of engineer/math/physics background.
there is enugh human capital in China to fuel almost all industry segments.
Before talking about competitions, let’s see if the West Artemis project could actually softly deliver some working equipments to the moon surface.
ILRS will pick up steam once it becomes obvious that it works, and once the Global South develops their economies enough to be interested in space exploration.
This also addresses the point of whether China will entrust other countries with constructing critical modules. There's a fundamental difference between the western program, which brings together countries with already established space industries, and China's program, which will include many countries with no prior experience. This project is also about tech transfers as much as anything else. And that's something the West just doesn't do (or in a very limited and politicized way).
Copyright is becoming obsolete
When China went to space for the first time in 2003, Shenzhou 5, the lone pilot stayed in orbit for 21 hours, and after he got back to earth, he could barely stand, kind of walking limping.
The next mission, Shenzhou 6, two pilots stayed in orbit for 4 days, and they could barely stand too, but not really walk.
Longer missions, 10-15 days, they cannot even stand.
Soviets don't show much, but their pilots are always dragged out by others, not by themselves, and they are on some stretchers.
So, how come only Americans walk out and jumping and running and standing on their feet, right after their space missions?
Moon mission, 12 days, they walk out and stood on their feet fine.
Skylab 4 mission, 84 days in space, they got out of capsule on their own and walked out like soldiers.
Space Shuttle, sometimes 15, 19 days in space, they march out of the shuttle as if they are ready to fight.
Do you have more information on this?
How does Chinese citizens view about American space program?
Finally! We really miss your videos. This is very cool, please don't disappear.
Thanks for the kind words ☺️ This video took a while to make…
@@DongfangHourAnd verifications from multiple sources
@@DongfangHour沒有雑質、客觀.精彩!👍👍👍
the budget comparison shows perfectly the theory behind 2 moon exploration programs (ILRS vs Artemis), that is ILRS serves/focus on developing countries, where Artemis aims only developed countries. US also weaponize Artemis program to against ILRS and probably has exclusive rules that force its participant can only join one instead of the other. A very American way. So, it's not China willing to make ILRS more international or not, it's US should be criticized to its insane "cold war" mindset and "space race" mindset.
China’s plans over the next 15 years are so exciting. It is quite unbelievable, really, to think of it all coming together!
And the Chinese consortium will do it on time and on budget, totally leaving the EU and the US behind.
這話留給别人說.我們中國人自己只需用行動.和實力說話就成.比如今天的嫦娥六號我所看到視頻可以說絶大多數的人和媒體都给我們祖國的肯定和贊揚.!我看到了.就是一種享受!😁
不是财团哦，我们的航天不是由财团控制的哦
CIA - ' China has destroyed NASA Apollo Mission landing site, leaving no trace of American Astronaut on the Moon surface !!! '
哈哈哈哈哈😂
Amazing quality video. Subscribed!
India's next Chandrayan 4 is a sample return mission from Moon. Before that Mangalyan 2 (Mars orbiter mission 2 ) will be launched. Now the agency is fully concentrated on human space flight. Also a reusable space shuttle concept is in the initial stages.
先100%成功一次，别再闹什么99%成功的笑话了
@@坐著火車去台灣 says a Chinese whose rockets fall from the sky in civilian areas 🤡🤮🤣🤣🤣
@@ultranoobpromaxInfinity 没错，发生事故的是一个民营航天公司犯的错，当天在实验800吨推力的火箭时发生的失误。
在中国失败并不可怕，因为我们会在失败中吸取教训。
请问你们从登月失败中吸取了什么教训？我怎么听说你们的航天负责人说要把穆迪送上太空？是嫌穆迪活太久了吗？
@@ultranoobpromaxInfinitydo you really want to compare China with india 😂😂
Informative, packed with information and entertaining as always! Thanks for the great video!!
这集质量很高，全部介绍了所有的信息，画面也对
The only moon USA astronauts walked on was in Hollywood😂
@@Dragon3514-m9u 🤦🤦
Bro i think you are graduate from WhatsApp University
Even Eskimo is welcomed but US. Due to national security taught by US.
very objective observation and analysis without political bias, great video
I would ask my son watch this video, he loves science too and has strong interest in astronomy 🪐
little mistake about the date at 0:46 (2023 instead of 2003) but great content all around! Keep up the great quality.
Thank you for the update, Jean...❤
Thank you very much for your informative update🙏👍🙏
Congratulations China, this is your century.
Jean: The 30 June Space Pioneer spectacular 1st stage test failure caught everyone’s attention. The booster failure was a falcon 9 equivalent. Space Pioneer was about a month away from launching a falcon 9 equivalent. A video explaining Space Pioneer’s progress and planned capabilities would be of widespread interest.
1… the expected payload weight capacity
2… how that capacity compares to SpaceX’s first Falcon 9 capacity and how that compares to the latest design SpaceX Falcon 9
3… when will Space Pioneer launch their first Falcon 9 to orbit?
4… what is Space Pioneer’s anticipated launch rate over the next few years?
5… what s Space Pioneer’s chances of upgrading to improved performance Falcon 9 equivalents and when?
6… will Space Pioneer develop a Falcon heavy equivalent or Starship equivalent and when?
7… any other interesting facts you know about Space Pioneer
As soon as Space Pioneer successfully launches their Falcon 9 equivalent, they will get lots of attention and possibly motivate the US government to more actively support SpaceX’s starship😊
Hey Doug, good idea, adding it to the backlog :)
Not possible to be international. It is like you built a house and you will only invite good friends to visit.
I just hope that I can see Chinese astronauts standing on the moon in my lifetime
good video！love from china
Our country actually doesn't need help from other countries. The so-called international cooperation is just our generosity in saying 'let's include you as well.
well i just remenber the International Space Station don't allow china join the project, even russians in.
oh wait,when britis went to australia for the first time hundreds years ago ,did they invite china to come to australia to share the land and own the huge island together?
If you build it, they will come.
Finally, other countries can participate. There are bright minds all over this world.Thank you China.
Congrats! New Video!
At 0:45 the screen caption is wrong... Should say 2003
Ah thanks! Too late to change this now… 😔
Just remember that contrary to popular misconception in the West, "International" does not mean "with the G7".
Yeah it may take a bit longer for China but China still can do unimaginable things even if China is alone in space race. Proud of China!
China is large enough to keep the entire supply chain. USA needs to outsource.
Danke für diese News, sie sind wie immer sehr interessant.
Es ist sehr schade das die USA eine Zusammenarbeit mit China weiterhin blockiert und die ESA in Europa ist zur Zeit auch nicht handlungsfähig. Wenn Russland wieder handlungsfähig ist, wird es sicher wieder interessant.
Nice try. No Germans talk like this.
@@mike4769 Ach ja ich habe schon gehört das im Ausland behauptet wird, die Deutschen haben ihr Hirn an die Amis verkauft. Aber nicht Alle. Es gibt noch Einige die ein wenig Durchblick bewahrt haben.
It’s not surprising that western countries didn’t want to join the ILR. Western countries have their own traditions and space programs. China needs to focus on countries that have some space capabilities and do want to join the ILR.
Anyone except the Anglo-Saxon
Soon there will be a gutter oil market on the moon 😢
the gutter oil thing first started in Taiwan, recently taiwanese youtuber question whats wrong for using industrial coloring on food since theres no experinment on damage of industrial coloring to human body.
ah yes, taiwanese went to mainland to source material to sell back to taiwan to make industrial-use coloring and put in food. Democracy, human right and the western value, great!
Can NASA trust Boeing to build a moon base? Can the world trust NASA without Hollywood's assistance?
Fingers crossed for ILRS. It can be international base, why not? But if it's not - what a big deal!
After watching your video and understanding the space technology and budget provided by Artemis and ILRS member countries, why do I feel China VS the whole world?
Your world seems to be from Western propaganda definition. In case you missed the memo, there are 193 countries in the world, not just the 30+ Western ones.
If they share the base that would be very good respect
Definitely it is international base, but not include US
thanks for sharing. very clear.
International yes, America , EU, UK not INVITED.
No country will be invited to cooperate, but if you are willing, you can apply to join.
Thanks for the video
As China does on Earth, so they will do wherever they go.
your mind is always in the gutter
🎉the return of the king! Long time no...update😂❤
Space exploration is a long term game, being the first isn’t always meaningful. Space is no longer about ideological battle, now it’s all about making money.
The commercialization of space
going to the moon is not about making money yet
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КНР плетется позади планеты всей копируя их технологии.
Nice job!
As an American, I personally think that China should refuse to cooperate with the United States, because when China was still relatively weak, the United States joined the G7 countries to prevent China from joining.
中國不會加入的。G7裡面的國家大部分是1900年在北京和天津大屠殺的八國聯軍
China should definitely share its moon base with other nations. It will certainly give China a moral high-ground on the international stage. When the US goes low, China goes high.
China can go it along first, when China reach MARS may be people will start to join. Artemis is not going anywhere at the moment ... only time will tell
China will step down on Mars in 2049.
On February 15, 2021, China (Tianwen-1) landed on Mars.
The main difference between ILRS and Artemis is that one will happen on time and another will be indefinitely delayed.
Can the ILRS become international? No reason not to. Сhina has plenty of friends among the BRICS+, SCO and BRI member states who can be invited and be more than happy to join the program.
love how you narrate
China welcomes cooperation with western countries, unfortunately many of the western countries are either American colony such as German or American vassals such as France. China understand their fear of the Americans and had let it so and its up to the European themselves to decide.
your audio sounds very "wet" and is kinda difficult to listen to for those of us afflicted with the misophonia, is it possible to fix that? love your channel and space news from china is very important!
People should be respected if they don't believe the US ever landed humans on the moon (orbiting yes).
Unless there’s something new to the moon landing conspiracies, every space-interested person has seen the evidence, and either believes in the conspiracy, or has concluded the impossibility of a faked moon landing in the face of tens of thousands of people who would need to be “in” on it.
Interjecting what amounts to “the moon landing is fake” on every moon related video, is not respectful behavior, and thus does not deserve respect in turn.
@@tomblaise Dmitry Rogozin, the former head of Russia’s space agency Roscosmos certainly didn't think so. I think thousands of people were on the part where the Apollo capsule orbited the moon. We will know whether the US has really landed persons there by the end of this decade if NASA stumbles bad.
@@nostradamus2642 🤔 Interesting how he only vocalized this belief as soon as his country was in a proxy war with the United States. I wouldn’t be taking ideas from Roscosmos on US space exploration any more than I’d take ideas on US politics from Putin.
The current performance of NASA can’t reveal anything about what happened half a century ago either.
@@tomblaise He vocalized his belief as he no longer had inhibitions to do so. He pointed out the Russian space agency warned him not to speak his mind out of concern the Americans (ISS partner) would take it badly thereby effecting working relationship. Got to go...
@@nostradamus2642 Possible, but less likely than the alternative. Either way, you’re using a fundamentally biased source to support your point with no way to tell if he actually believes it, or is just pushing anti-American propaganda (like the rest of the Russian government). Even if he does truly believe it, there’s no way to tell he has any more justification than the average moon conspiracy theorist.
Twelve nations have currently subscribed to the International Lunar Research Station (ILRS) program, led by Russia and China. Guess that number might double within the next ten years.
Chang’e 6 used French, pakistan, Italian and Swedish tech gadgets! It’s an international joint venture. The Wolfe amendment is still keeping us sitting on a high horse!
You're so cute😂
你真可爱😂
事实并非如此，其他国家的科研仪器只是一个旅客
是国际合作，但并非国际技术合作
Great videos 👍👍👍
My crystal ball tells me that Artemis will be beset with problems like funding & delays and the ILRS will have a higher chance of happening on schedule.