Why China's Shenzhou is Better Than Russia's Soyuz

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  • China's Shenzhou spacecraft is heavily inspired from Soyuz, and there are likely systems copied directly from Soyuz. However, with the benefits of 21st century development it's not wedded to many of the limitations imposed by the Soyuz heritage.
    Which oddly enough means that between the last flight of Shuttle and the first Crewed flight of Dragon it was the best operational human rated spacecraft.... I never thought about that until I wrote this description.
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  • @csours
    @csours 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1201

    If those ex-Soviet engineers are anything like me, they spent the whole time telling their Chinese counterparts: "And I wish I had done this differently, and this, and this ...."

    • @barnabuskorrum4004
      @barnabuskorrum4004 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +25

      Your planes are falling apart. Get real.

    • @Dunewarrior00
      @Dunewarrior00 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +133

      Ah the engineer's universal prayer: "I wish I did this differently"

    • @Usrthsbcufeh
      @Usrthsbcufeh 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +92

      @@barnabuskorrum4004huh what?

    • @leafboye33
      @leafboye33 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +41

      Ignore that weirdo he's harmless​@@Usrthsbcufeh

    • @HarmKaban
      @HarmKaban 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +74

      ​@@barnabuskorrum4004
      1. Your
      2. The planes are falling apart because of mismanagement, not because of the engineers.
      3. You're (which stands for "you are") right in one thing: the American education is trash and getting trashier by the hour all while the Chinese, Indian and especially Russian engineers are less and less likely to immigrate into the United States and save your industry.

  • @jillkang6526
    @jillkang6526 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +832

    I was in primary school in Shenzhen, Guangdong when Shenzhou 5 launched, and on that day the school made all the students gather in the multimedia room (which is like a big big room with projectors and a stage and seats enough for the whole school) and cancelled all the classes for the period when the event is broadcast live on TV. That sure was a good day of no classes, but it also kinda sparked my interest in spaceflight, which I kept to this day.

    • @judet2992
      @judet2992 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +28

      Amazing!

    • @jackharle1251
      @jackharle1251 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      History has proven that China can't be trusted. Should we address their supposed summit of Everest? How about a bioweapon that crashed the World's economy?

    • @bewilderbeestie
      @bewilderbeestie 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +35

      I remember the same thing happening at my school for the Shuttle maiden flight... and I wasn't even in the US!

    • @donjones4719
      @donjones4719 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +45

      My school stopped everything so we could watch the first Mercury flight and the first Mercury orbital flight. I was very young, I think I was more amazed that the school owned TVs. And yeah, now I'm old.

    • @penguin44ca
      @penguin44ca 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Really? You remember watching the launch he just said was not broadcast?

  • @familyplans3788
    @familyplans3788 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +878

    Must be amazing to have the space to safely land a new spacecraft,
    Here in the U.K. the largest area we have uninhabited and empty is the trophy room at Bournemouth Football club

    • @scottmanley
      @scottmanley  28 วันที่ผ่านมา +229

      There were a couple of runways which were available for the space shuttle in the event of a trans atlantic abort scenario

    • @ivarbrouwer197
      @ivarbrouwer197 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +42

      There’s Scotland, pretty empty up north…

    • @ivarbrouwer197
      @ivarbrouwer197 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

      @@scottmanley ofcourse the spaceshuttle could target a landing site.. a craft like soyouz is more prone to outside influence and probably bad at targeting a specific point/zone.

    • @Anmeteor9663
      @Anmeteor9663 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +30

      ​@@scottmanley One was RAF Fairford in Gloucestershire. I was there in May 1983 when Enterprise landed on the piggyback 747. What a day! We were so close at the parking stand that the 747 wingtip was right in front of us.

    • @MrGeforcerFX
      @MrGeforcerFX 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

      @@ivarbrouwer197 The modern capsules are actually pretty steerable on reentry so they can usually aim and get within a couple squaremiles of a target depending on winds. In the Ocean not a huge issue but starliner has to stay within it's landing zone on land.

  • @SF7PAKISTAN
    @SF7PAKISTAN 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +298

    "Better not to piss in diaper, baby doesn't like it, neither does an adult" has to be one of the best lines ever spoken about human space exploration

    • @Sparweb_Projects
      @Sparweb_Projects 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      Alan Shepard learned that one the hard way - and he did not even have the diaper!

    • @ronschlorff7089
      @ronschlorff7089 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      @@Sparweb_Projects true, but he got his "revenge" some years later as commander of Apollo 14!! He even golfed there!! LOL ;D

  • @repatch43
    @repatch43 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +130

    Several years ago I was in Shanghai for business and being the geek I am visited the science center. They had a massive display about the Chinese space program. I was embarrassed in how little I knew about what their program had accomplished, it was quite impressive.

    • @ulyssis
      @ulyssis 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +25

      I mentioned what the Chinese have achieved, the a friend of mine, who is an earth scientist working at a prestigious European university, was first puzzled and then surprised after searching online.

    • @SuperCatacata
      @SuperCatacata 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Hard to share it with the world when nearly all forms of social media and regular media used by the outside world are banned.
      There is no shame in not knowing what goes on in a country like that. It's by design of the CCP.

    • @wlyiu4057
      @wlyiu4057 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@ulyssis I love White people and their subtle racism of low expectations. It makes blindsiding them trivially easy. The best part is they *never* learn.

  • @NiksSofa
    @NiksSofa 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +155

    There is way too little talk and information about chinese space program in the english speaking internet.
    Very happy to see you take this up and I hope you cover their other projects as well.

    • @captaindunsel2806
      @captaindunsel2806 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

      There's not a lot of info on the Chinese speaking internet either!

    • @kukuc96
      @kukuc96 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      @@captaindunsel2806 I imagine that's because the whole space program is more secretive than US, ESA, JAXA etc. programs, so there is not nearly as much information available to begin with. Not just that it doesn't travel to public discourse on the internet.

    • @moss550
      @moss550 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +38

      @@kukuc96 You would be more secretive about what you are doing if you have a competitor that publicly states they intend to sabotage your program, slow your progress, and spend billions of tax payer money on smearing campaigns.

    • @mattmichael2441
      @mattmichael2441 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      ​@@moss550 nah, rather their entire manned spaceflight program is managed directly by the military. A lot of programs started like this but split to better focus on their goals. Most of the major players like NASA, JAXA, ESA are civilian in nature. Even Iran has two programs.

    • @ImieNazwiskoOK
      @ImieNazwiskoOK 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      @@moss550 I'm curious to the source about publicly stating those intents

  • @Vespuchian
    @Vespuchian 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +139

    I recently read a lovely illustrated history of the Soviet manned space program and I'm struck by how much Shenzhou resembles the original proposals for Soyuz that were subsequently scaled back, particularly the orbit module.

    • @Dayznology
      @Dayznology 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      What was this illustrated history?

    • @DIREWOLFx75
      @DIREWOLFx75 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

      Yeah, several of the Soviet engineers had some really neat and ambitious ideas.

    • @jeffery7281
      @jeffery7281 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      And I also read a collection of essays about the early conceptual works on Shenzhou. Surprisingly to me, there's actually two different ways even after they decided to using the overall configuration of Soyuz (i.e. the orbit-reentry-service modules), and the alternate design was actually looked more western-style, with a truncated cone capsule that looked like Gemini or even early version of Dragon!

    • @Reactordrone
      @Reactordrone 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      @@Dayznology The Soviet manned space program by Phillip Clark.

    • @odysseusrex5908
      @odysseusrex5908 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      What was the name of the history? For those interested, I highly recommend "Challenge to Apollo" by Asif Siddiqi.

  • @STho205
    @STho205 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +53

    This happened 200 years ago with steam locos. The US, new to industrialization, imported Scottish and English locos to get their first RRs operating. US machinists had to fabricate spare parts...then back engineered cloned, but the clones eventually were improved.
    Then they became specialized to the frontier terrain that did not exist in Britain or France....becoming a much more capable loco line for the purpose...and Beitish machine shops started integrating some American innovations to incorporate into their colonial Empire railways.
    Eventually at the end of steam Britain had some beautifully elegant, fast but quaint engines to pull trains through the rolling English countryside. The US had Big Boy and Challengers to drag mile long teains over the Allegheny and Rockys.

    • @howilearned2stopworrying508
      @howilearned2stopworrying508 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      gonna write an alternate history novel where the British Empire intentionally supports the Confederacy and sanctions the Union for stealing IP. Maybe at some point the Confederates lose the mainland and have a government in exile on a little island off the coast like Cuba or PR

    • @paulsengupta971
      @paulsengupta971 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Also see the Harrier aircraft...

    • @ronschlorff7089
      @ronschlorff7089 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Love old trains, hence a whole hobby, industry, restoration, following, etc. today devoted to their construction, and layouts as models, worldwide. A most lovely innovation was steam, for any vehicles' power, for example.
      High art and engineering for us essentially lowly stupid little f'ing monkeys, I think!! ;D LOL

  • @user-li7ec3fg6h
    @user-li7ec3fg6h 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +49

    The clever thing about the three-part solution is that the landing capsule can maintain its position relatively easily thanks to the simultaneous separation, because the recoil from the two separated parts is roughly equalized. I seem to remember that American engineers were also very enthusiastic about this solution.
    (It's like when the American re-engineering of the Soviet test space plane BOR-05 revealed that the Soviets had recognized and used principles that were still unknown to the Americans. As Scott last year showed, the resulting model developed at Langley became the mockup for Dreamchaser).

    • @odysseusrex5908
      @odysseusrex5908 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      There was never any three module proposal in the American program. To the best of my knowledge, the modules do not separate simultaneously, and, either way, it would make no measurable difference to the reentry module's orbital dynamics.

    • @sirfirewolfe5647
      @sirfirewolfe5647 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      ​​​@@odysseusrex5908that's not true, GE had a proposal for a 3 module Apollo capsule which had measurable benefits over the in house NASA Langley design which ended up being developed. Additionally, the simple fact that you would have similar impulses imparted on the descent module in opposing directions to one another would provide the effect OP described, provided that capsule orientation remained the same and the separations occurred close enough to one another

    • @stanbatchelor810
      @stanbatchelor810 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@sirfirewolfe5647 I believe this was the Apollo D2 concept. The reentry module was called the GE headlight because it was shaped like an old automotive headlight, two hemispheres of differing diameter joined by a short conical section. Soyuz appeared several years later with a similar shaped reentry module. Part of the reason for the stacked configuration of Soyuz was the R7 based launch vehicle had a very slim upper stage so an Apollo type capsule would give the launch vehicle a hammerhead shape.

  • @tsmithkc
    @tsmithkc 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +167

    Those orbit modules are pretty cool. You could build a little bit of a space station by just docking them up and leaving them up there after each mission.

    • @xinyansun9174
      @xinyansun9174 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +64

      My thoughts too when I saw them.
      But later I learned the orbit module only has hatch on one side so you cannot connect them. And even if you add additional ports, connecting multiple orbital modules will result in a wobbly space station and too many toilets.

    • @adamadamadamadam
      @adamadamadamadam 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +39

      @@xinyansun9174 you could add some kind of truss. and you can never have too many toilets

    • @zam6877
      @zam6877 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      Good point 😸
      But
      I am split on the toilets
      A personal potty? Excellence in waste disposal redundancy?
      These are serious issues, really 😐

    • @Ithirahad
      @Ithirahad 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@xinyansun9174 This is exploitable... You can make a dedicated module with 6 docking ports specifically designed to carry a bunch of Shenzhou OMs to serve as the restroom hallway on a large station.

    • @DIREWOLFx75
      @DIREWOLFx75 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      "You could build a little bit of a space station by just docking them up and leaving them up there after each mission."
      Not very functional. Remember, space stations tend to be put in orbits relatively close to Earth, as that lets them use the Earth's magnetosphere to protect against the worst radiation, meaning that a lot of rad-shielding can be skipped that is required for outer space.
      What this ALSO means is that the orbit is affected by the outer parts of the atmosphere. Which means that you must add enough fuel to the thrusters that you can do minor maneuvering burns often enough.
      Regular capsules usually does not have the fueltanks for this.
      Also, lifesupport needs change from shortterm, which capsules are designed for, to longterm, which they cannot handle.
      So no, sadly just putting them in orbit and slowly joining old ones together into a station is not an option.
      Also, the crew still needs a way to get back down.

  • @rh9909
    @rh9909 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +41

    10:20 That wound was caused by his mic hitting his lips on ship landing. The most dangerous period in SZ5 is actually during its ascend, the ship was resonantly vibrating with rocket at 30-40K height, and Yang described his experience as "my organs being shaken into piece and when that was finally gone I feel revived". He and other Taikongnauts are really heroes for us.

    • @rh9909
      @rh9909 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      11:00 There's a trivia upon this scene: They were running out of time for the spacewalk (before the ship got out of telemetry area), and the door was stuck. Apparently it was due to 1kPa of remaining air in orbit module, and Zhai brute-forced the door open, and the rest is history.

    • @rh9909
      @rh9909 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      I also want to add that only SZ 1-6 have automatic orbit modules with their own solar panels. SZ7 do not have them, and from SZ8 ships were batch made, also without solar panels.

  • @kaifengwu6565
    @kaifengwu6565 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

    I remember watching the broadcast of Shenzhou 5 as a kid on the bus home from school. I stayed glued to that tiny TV, missed my stop, and had to walk half an hour back. That day kindled my passion for space. Today, an experiment I designed just went on a "zero-G" parabolic flight. If I keep up the good work, perhaps one day my work will be on a real spaceflight.
    Also fyi: Shenzhou in Chinese means Divine Vessel. Mengzhou means Dream Vessel, and the space station, Tiangong, is Havenly Palace, or more directly translated as palace in the sky. Lots of mythological references, just like Japanese and Indian space programs, which I enjoy.

    • @rais1953
      @rais1953 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thanks for sharing that.

  • @hanweiliu8850
    @hanweiliu8850 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +38

    I was in elementary school in 2003 and I am sure we all watched Shenzhou-5 mission live on School's television that year. The false alarm happened during EVA in Shenzhou-7 was also live on TV.

    • @watcherzero5256
      @watcherzero5256 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Was initially announced to be live streamed by CCTV a week before launch, however the day before launch CCTV announced they had been ordered by the government to cancel the plan and only show pre-recorded highlights. So they showed video of launch a few minutes after it happened and reported landing but the number of crew onboard and the crews identity was kept secret by the government until after the successful landing.

    • @postahundredcommentsbutonl4408
      @postahundredcommentsbutonl4408 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      2006年

    • @ComdZero
      @ComdZero 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      神五那个直播是延后的。知乎上有人说过了。正常是9点多点火,但“直播”是10点多。

  • @yyangcn
    @yyangcn 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    1:38 Project or rather “Program 863” stands for the year 1986 - March. It’s actually a big program not just for manned space missions but also covers a long list of important state funded projects in areas including space, biotech, IT, material science, etc.

  • @kjteitel
    @kjteitel 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +90

    I like that you are able to compliment another country's progress without judgement. Great job. I loved this video.

    • @ronschlorff7089
      @ronschlorff7089 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      True, and in the "final analysis" we are all the same ape decedents, worldwide. So, any progress in space by any of us is a "giant leap for ape-kind"! Right Scotty, you old chimp you!! ;D LOL

    • @mbukukanyau
      @mbukukanyau 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Communists are bad, scientists are not bad.

    • @ronschlorff7089
      @ronschlorff7089 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@grapesurgeon yes, and I made some sweet and sour pork with rice just last night!! Good "communist" food! ;D LOL

    • @ronschlorff7089
      @ronschlorff7089 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@grapesurgeon Really? But it was so good I'm having it again tonight, re-heated as we speak!! :D
      BTW, we still have something free speech in Our part of the world here, so far anyway!! So, good luck, in whatever "armpit region" of the planet you live in, ...chump! LOL ;D

    • @ronschlorff7089
      @ronschlorff7089 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@grapesurgeon LOL ;D

  • @NewSocialistEraVideos
    @NewSocialistEraVideos 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Do you know why they named it the Soyuz rocket?
    So-YUZ can get into space!!! (ba-dum)

  • @JamesField
    @JamesField 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +42

    I'm guilty of being one of those who thought Shenzhou was simply a slightly enlarged Soyuz, but there are so many obvious differences now that you've pointed them out. Watching the last landing coverage on the English language Chinese channel, I was intrigued by the Gamma ray altimeter. I'm sure that's a Soyuz feature too, but I'd love to know why gamma-rays are "better" than laser altimetry, especially with all the precautions required to keep recovery crews out of harm's way until the gamma source is appropriately obscured.

    • @wally7856
      @wally7856 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Dust, aerosols, clouds - all can give lidar false readings. Gamma rays can see through those.

    • @KVP424
      @KVP424 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

      I heard Gamma ray altimeter can work through stubborn heat shield piece that may still be on the aircraft, or deep snow cover ground. All of this is necessary since the precise ignition of landing thruster during the last few second before landing is vital part of landing process.

    • @user-nl4wd5oc9j
      @user-nl4wd5oc9j 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@KVP424 At an altitude of 6 kilometers above the ground, the heat shield at the bottom of the re-entry capsule will be jettisoned to reveal the retro-thrusters.

    • @KVP424
      @KVP424 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@user-nl4wd5oc9jYeah I know that. I was mentioning about scenerio where there are some potential anomaly, which gamma ray altimeter can still work despite it.

    • @CumulusGranitis
      @CumulusGranitis 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      Yes it is a feature of the Soyuz from the beginning. A simple way to way to make a ground sensor where the "transmitter" will always work, with gamma ray detector that picks up the back scatter in the final few meters of the descent. When the intensity of the back scatter reaches a pre determined value, the detector fires the small retro solid rocket motors to significantly reduce the "thump" as the capsule hits the ground.
      It is due to the highly radioactive gamma ray source on the bottom of Soyuz and Shenzhou, after "thump down" the 1st person to approach the spacecraft is always a person with a 2 meter long stick with a lead plug on the end. It is the "gamma source plug" persons job to cap the gamma source opening and thus make it safe for the rest of the recovery team to approach.

  • @alexpishvanov736
    @alexpishvanov736 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +628

    May be because Shenzhou is at least 40 years newer than Soyuz ))))

    • @verypleasantguy
      @verypleasantguy 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      China stole the technology, as usual !

    • @zanelittlegray
      @zanelittlegray 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Soyuz was only 15 yrs old when Putin seized Russia, but Putin has been too busy doing "other things" for him to worry about keeping his nation's manned space program alive.

    • @dadrising6464
      @dadrising6464 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +33

      My immediate thought

    • @romerobryan83
      @romerobryan83 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      So there’s been no improvements made by the Russians on their Soyuz in 40 years ..

    • @MrkTan
      @MrkTan 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

      40 years? Weren't the Soyuz introduced around 1960 I think?

  • @edcallahan9536
    @edcallahan9536 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Always great content and contextual coverage - thank you!

  • @TheDesktopOrbinaut
    @TheDesktopOrbinaut 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

    Also interesting to note that the taikonauts that flew on Shenzhou 6 and 7 became one of the first commanders of the Tiangong Space Station over 14 years later

  • @BigBrotherHal2001
    @BigBrotherHal2001 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Interesting video thanks for sharing Scott

  • @mikeyangyang8816
    @mikeyangyang8816 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    In my primary school, during the week of shenzhou 5 launch, our teacher had us doing all kinds of activities related to the space program. Everyone get to choose their own projects to work on. It was such an amazing time, I chose to do a presentation on the space suits. i edited and made then printed manuals for the different space suits for each of my classmates (each manual was like 20 pages long). The time i spent reading on how the suit design decision definitely changed how my life turned till now. I still think back to how i enjoy designing and making stuff. I now hold a degree in physics and a degree in computer science. Space programs like this have the ability to change a generation of people.

  • @Lurthatgurl
    @Lurthatgurl 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I just found your channel and have been binge watching the last 2 days, I love everything space. So glad I found you!!

  • @CryptoJones
    @CryptoJones 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Great video, Scott! Thank you for making it!

    • @ronschlorff7089
      @ronschlorff7089 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yup! "Great Scott, another video"!! LOL ;D

  • @user-if2wl1yb8m
    @user-if2wl1yb8m 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +39

    I love that you use Juno to show the Shenzhou mission profile, you're the reason I started playing it, and I've been hooked ever since.

    • @connycontainer9459
      @connycontainer9459 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      I assumed it was KSP2. Does it (Juno) compare well to KSP1 ?

    • @ExcaliburAero
      @ExcaliburAero 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      @@connycontainer9459 absolutely, i love it. Played both KSP1 and Juno and i have to say i love Juno so so much more

    • @BigstockGamingINC
      @BigstockGamingINC 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Long Live Juno

    • @BigstockGamingINC
      @BigstockGamingINC 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@ExcaliburAerohello

    • @kspencerian
      @kspencerian 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      @@connycontainer9459 Very comparable to a modded KSP1, and with procedural parts. Best of all, it works on Mac, PC, and mobile devices.

  • @jamest18
    @jamest18 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +36

    It's very unfortunate the three biggest players in space flight have never truly gotten along. Imagine what we could have seen with the US and Soviet Union working together in the 60s and now what the US, Russia, and China could do if we all got along. What a world that would be.

    • @heyykenn9099
      @heyykenn9099 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

      Well the same could be said here on Earth. Imagine a world where countries cooperate with each other. If we can cooperate in space, why not also on earth

    • @alexgood1056
      @alexgood1056 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      они и так сотрудничают, в основном благодаря коррупции и в области шпионажа по принципу враг моего врага мой друг, благо конкурирующих разведок в мире предостаточно, так что диффузия знаний неостановима.

    • @HrLBolle
      @HrLBolle 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      the fact that Wernher von Braun and his top engineers where snatched by the US, who than failed to understand and exploit the treasure trove of knowledge regarding rocketry they had claimed, not by chance but by design of von Braun himself, still irks me.
      the fact that the Soviets became the first to establish a presence in orbit although they could only rely on the engineers and knowledge base of level 3 and below is quite fascinating.

    • @alexgood1056
      @alexgood1056 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@HrLBolle член НСДАП барон вернер фон браун вывез с собой в США архив массой 43 тонны и весь коллектив специалистов своего КБ, что-то из этого всяко американцам пригодилось.

    • @HrLBolle
      @HrLBolle 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@alexgood1056 danke für das schließen von Wissenslücken. Es gibt immer jemanden der mehr weiß als man selbst.
      Thanks for closing the knowledge gaps. There is always someone who knows more than you.

  • @yren3386
    @yren3386 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    3:43 Side note on the rocket width: If we look at the Long March series. Bigger ones aren't any wider. They only get longer and longer.
    The rockets need to be transported by train to the launch site in Gansu. Then assembled on site. There are notoriously numbers of mountains and tunnels along the way. Thus, the rocket can't get any wider or they won't fit the tunnels.
    US doesn't have this problem because KSC is in Florida, next to sea. Rockets can be cargo shipped in.
    In recent years, China opened the Hainan launch site, which is also near sea. So, the newly designed rockets no longer have this constraint.

  • @joeyp1927
    @joeyp1927 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +89

    China did develop much of its own technology in the Shenzhou. But to the extent that they copied or borrowed from the Russians, remember what Leonard Da Vinci, the greatest inventor of all time, once said: "What one can copy, one can do." There is an enormous amount of thought and labor that goes into copying, and the outcome is insight, know-how, and sometimes, innovation.

    • @jpdemer5
      @jpdemer5 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

      You just couldn't do it _until_ you copied it.

    • @PinkLittleElephant
      @PinkLittleElephant 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +30

      Also it wasn't blind copying... They paid for russian expertise and designed an enhanced version.
      I vaguely remember some early Chinese taikonauts being trained in Russia too

    • @jaimeduncan6167
      @jaimeduncan6167 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Are you a Chinese robot?

    • @roriegilligan8134
      @roriegilligan8134 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      They improved those earlier designs

    • @maiaemmett2399
      @maiaemmett2399 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +26

      Also reverse engineering and copying technology is a lot more difficult than a lot of people give it credit. It's more than just seeing what parts are used and how they're arranged, you have to build the industry and logistics to support all that.

  • @ioresult
    @ioresult 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +53

    When Scott Manley starts using Juno instead of KSP for demos, it's a sad day for KSP. ⚰

    • @GreyDeathVaccine
      @GreyDeathVaccine 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Never heard of Juno

    • @KellyWu04
      @KellyWu04 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +20

      Scott Manley has been using Juno: New Origins in his videos for months if not over a year by now. It’s better for things that can’t be easily modeled in KSP, as you just download someone’s craft instead of hoping someone made a part mod for the parts of whatever spacecraft you want to show.

    • @KellyWu04
      @KellyWu04 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@GreyDeathVaccineJuno: New Origins was covered by Scott Manley in a video from about a year ago. You can watch that.

    • @ioresult
      @ioresult 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@KellyWu04 thanks. I wasn't paying attention before but the recent news about KSP2 made me take notice.

    • @thekinginyellow1744
      @thekinginyellow1744 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Didn't Scott's channel start as just a Kerbal thing?

  • @mecha37000fighter
    @mecha37000fighter 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I loved this video, would love to see this turn into a series

  • @MCsCreations
    @MCsCreations 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Fascinating stuff indeed! Thanks, Scott! 😊
    Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

  • @RaNc0R
    @RaNc0R 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +86

    But I still love Soyuz, with the beautiful Korolev cross, 60 years old work horse still carrying people to the space. Time tested and reliable.

    • @dewayneblue1834
      @dewayneblue1834 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      You need to give credit to the true originator, the R-7 ICBM of 1957. Soyuz is just one of its many derivatives.

    • @RaNc0R
      @RaNc0R 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      @@dewayneblue1834 ofc, the whole evolution of the R7 family.

    • @phuzz00
      @phuzz00 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      At least in the early days, they got artists in to add paintings of nature scenes to the inside of the orbit module, to make it a bit more homely for the cosmonauts.

    • @GuillermoPradoObando
      @GuillermoPradoObando 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      The korolev cross is still an stunning thing.

    • @cosmotect
      @cosmotect 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@dewayneblue1834well, by that logic you can go back to the beginning of the universe

  • @AlteredBuzzard
    @AlteredBuzzard 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Something I did in KSP is strap 2 boosters to the side of a larger payload to get it into orbit. Imagine Delta IV Heavy but a space station with an interstage instead of a full stage.
    Was wondering how practical would having stages mounted horizontally instead of Virtically would be? Obviously we're now seeing Falcon Heavy but they're just the launcher.

  • @AlexSchendel
    @AlexSchendel 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    The footage of the space station in Juno at the end has reminded me that I need to play Juno again. Very underrated space game.

    • @CryptoJones
      @CryptoJones 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I googled this and realized I had it in my Steam Library! Thanks for calling out the name of the game!

    • @AlexSchendel
      @AlexSchendel 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@CryptoJones yeah! Was originally called Simple Rockets 2, but they renamed it to "Juno: New Origins" with a big update a while back haha.

  • @FireCrack
    @FireCrack 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Just a pronunciation note because these things are often tough, "Mengzhou" in Standard Chinese is pronounced more similarly to how an English speaker would say "mung" in the first syllable (eg, "uh" sound instead of the long "e"). Obviously this still won't be perfect pronunciation (lacking tones) but it's a bit closer to it.

    • @lagrangewei
      @lagrangewei 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      mung actually sound further than meng from what it suppose to sound like.

    • @FireCrack
      @FireCrack 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@lagrangewei yeah, I kinda also had a second thought too, because "mung" could also be very far from correct. Really need to brush up on IPA to get a reasonable answer here, because English pronunciation can be very ambiguous.

  • @ilanle
    @ilanle 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Hey Scott. It would be interesting if you do an episode about grid-fins ❤

    • @RCAvhstape
      @RCAvhstape 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      This

  • @odysseusrex5908
    @odysseusrex5908 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    That was very, very interesting Scott. I have read different things saying Shenzhou is better than Soyuz and that it is just a copy. Now I know for sure. Having the Orbital Module be able to function unmanned after the manned mission ends is absolutely brilliant.

  • @Lew114
    @Lew114 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thanks! Interesting and entertaining as always.

  • @blind8686
    @blind8686 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I used to copy the math homework from classmates in high school. It’s a brilliant way to get a passing grade while remaining useless at math.

  • @jeffery7281
    @jeffery7281 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +92

    Some points:
    ·Shenzhou is not just "larger", but actually being larger a lot. The exact diameter of Shenzhou's reentry module is 2,517mm, while Soyuz is 2,250mm. The habit volume of the module is 50% larger than Soyuz (6m3 vs 4m3), made it the largest reentry module before the "new gen" capsules like Orion and Dragon (all at ~9m3).
    ·We all know how the Komarov died because of one of the solar panels on the Soyuz 1 failed to extend and charging the batteries for parachute system. Well, this won't happened on Shenzhou - the Shenzhou's onboard battery itself could sustained the spacecraft for full power operation of 4 orbits, 6 hours. That means if the solar panel get stuck on Shenzhou, the crew will still have quite a lot of time to deal with it or just abort for emergency reentry. 4 orbits is enough to choose the downrange, so that they can return to the launch site instead of just landing in somewhere randomly in Pacific Ocean or Siberia... (and if they have to, the battery in the reentry module will be able to maintaining the satellite comms and emergency beacon for at least 24 hours. Leonov will be happy to hear that.)
    ·As for what happened on Shenzhou 2's parachute, rumors said it was because of the radio alttimeter somehow false-alarmed and cutted the chute before the capsule actually touched down. So as we know now, the Shenzhou's alttimeter still insisted to using gamma radiation source instead of simply radio to make detection, even that'll means there will be some dangerous and complex procedures after landing to sealed and removed the gamma emitter.
    ·There's 4 main engine nozzles behind Shenzhou's service module, as you can see. The service module's main propulsion system is double redundancy, with each pair being one of them. And, like the SPS of Apollo, all the valves and pipelines to the engines are double redundancy too. And even if both of them are all failed, the RCS thrusters will be the last redundancy, which is also double redundancy.
    ·CASC is always overstressed when it comes to reliability. Like, there's a insane requirement on the Long March 5, said the insulation layers must being able to keep the loaded LH2/LOX properllant for 24 hours after loading, in the 30°C+ hot summer of Hainan! That means ridiculously thick of foam layers that reduced the rocket's structure efficiency, everyone thinks that's crazy and completely unnecessary, untill two weeks ago when the Chang'e-6 just easily lifting off in the thunderstrom striking Wenchang.
    ·Also, since we come to redundancy, if you want to know, the computer system is triple hot redundancy in reentry module and double cold redundacy in orbit module. The computer system is based on MIL-1553 bus, if you're curious of why will China have MIL-1553 system bus, well, maybe you should search on "J-8II Peace Pearl".

    • @ThatOpalGuy
      @ThatOpalGuy 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      10 inches...yeah, massive.

    • @saiboogu
      @saiboogu 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      ​@@ThatOpalGuyIt is a significant increase in volume.

    • @jeffery7281
      @jeffery7281 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +20

      @@ThatOpalGuy You never flown on commercial jets right? That's also the difference between the width of B737 and A320.

    • @spinmaster4348
      @spinmaster4348 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Ever thought of “Space Shuttle” or “Arian 5” while pulling bull shit over the insulation of LM5? The later one is literally launching on the equator

    • @StillAliveAndKicking_
      @StillAliveAndKicking_ 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      @@ThatOpalGuyThat is a lot, take a look at the Soyuz interior, it is very cramped. 10” extra width means far more volume, far greater crew comfort.

  • @MattLitkeRacing
    @MattLitkeRacing 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    My trip to Cape Canaveral is next week. I planned it last year just happens I might see the Starliner

    • @ThatOpalGuy
      @ThatOpalGuy 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      good luck. dont bet on boeing being ready by then, sadly.

    • @MattLitkeRacing
      @MattLitkeRacing 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      @@ThatOpalGuy at least I’ll see a Starlink launch lol

    • @andyonions7864
      @andyonions7864 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      If it's Boeing, it ain't going...

    • @MattLitkeRacing
      @MattLitkeRacing 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@andyonions7864 they take the saying that takeoffs are optional to heart

  • @theradioweyr
    @theradioweyr 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Outstanding! I am sure that this "episode" had way more hours than your average one.

  • @paulmicks7097
    @paulmicks7097 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great topic , thank you Scott

  • @normanlong2191
    @normanlong2191 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Excellent Scott we dont get anywhere near enough info on the Chinese space programme so thank you !

  • @S1nwar
    @S1nwar 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    can you make a video on why the boosters on chinese rockets are tilted ~10° outwards? thats gotta reduce the coaxial thrust quit a bit

    • @steveschunk5702
      @steveschunk5702 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      @Sinwar, they try to point through the cg, so eccentric thrust doesn’t cause pinwheeling.

    • @romerobryan83
      @romerobryan83 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      What’s co axial thrust

    • @bbbnuy3945
      @bbbnuy3945 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      most all rockets cant their boosters inward. its not just a chinese thing

    • @MrGeforcerFX
      @MrGeforcerFX 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      The smarter everyday video on vulcan covers the cannted nozzles on the boosters really well.

    • @ThatOpalGuy
      @ThatOpalGuy 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@steveschunk5702 difficult, as the CoG changes, continuously, during the flight.

  • @stellarsub-orbital9922
    @stellarsub-orbital9922 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Love the Juno footage! I dont have KSP, so its great that my favorite space game is getting some love.

  • @TreesRaccoonsAndPizza
    @TreesRaccoonsAndPizza 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Space always makes me feel better. Thanks Scott!

    • @ronschlorff7089
      @ronschlorff7089 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yup, that's why we bought a really big house!! LOL ;D

  • @Nielsblog
    @Nielsblog 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    The orbital module being its own independent spacecraft seems like such an obvious idea in retrospect.

  • @trevortaylor5501
    @trevortaylor5501 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Pretty sure the angara 5 is being prepared for human flight with a new Orel capsule being incorporated. The have pretty ambitious plans over the next 5 years.

    • @ronschlorff7089
      @ronschlorff7089 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I made a flying model rocket of that one, along with some other Soviet launch vehicles, have not launched it yet, but the Soyuz, and Vostok both fly great!! :D

    • @olasek7972
      @olasek7972 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Russians have always had such „ambitious” plans that by now they were supposed to have base on the Moon 😂. That guy Rogozin was always promising something spectacular.

    • @ronschlorff7089
      @ronschlorff7089 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@olasek7972 Right, and old time NASA did too. We were supposed to have even Mars explorations and bases by the 1980's, but changing "world events" always get in the way of such "ambitious" plans. That's true, particularly in democracies, where our leadership changes often occur, back and forth, 180 degrees, every four years or so!! That makes it hard to plan "long term" projects!! ;D

    • @olasek7972
      @olasek7972 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@ronschlorff7089 actually no, no NASA administrator ever engaged in such nonsensical boastful propaganda as Rogozin, with NASA, you could always check what was approved by Congress, what was funded and what projects were currently in the pipeline.

  • @donjones4719
    @donjones4719 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Shenzhou has those bulky packages in the descent module. Those contain survival supplies, same as Soyuz, right? Including a life raft?
    Is the orbital module still available for the crew on Soyuz or is it packed with cargo? The toilet is in there and the ascent/descent module is damned cramped. Do they always manage to make the quick 3 hour trip now?

  • @RJ-xy5rv
    @RJ-xy5rv 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Scott, not on topic but I have a question for you and anyone else with enough knowledge. Could spacex put receiver dish on every one of their satellites pointing out to space and create a lot of super large radio type Telescopes?

  • @wowtim62
    @wowtim62 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Hey there why didn't you answer the question between the dog, monkey, or rabbit which was the Capt

    • @LLH7202
      @LLH7202 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      I was going to ask that, too. It sounds like the start of a joke. "A monkey, a dog and a rabbit are launched into space..."

    • @user-li7ec3fg6h
      @user-li7ec3fg6h 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Well, that's obvious: it's known as "Follow the ... rabbit!".

  • @glencmac
    @glencmac 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    GREAT POST!!! Learned a lot. Do you think we will ever see a Shenzhou docked at the ISS, or a Dragon at the Chinese Space Station?

    • @cacciatore9147
      @cacciatore9147 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      Don’t forget Wolf Amendment of the US.

    • @roriegilligan8134
      @roriegilligan8134 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      That's not a matter of technology, but diplomacy

    • @StillAliveAndKicking_
      @StillAliveAndKicking_ 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      No. The West has zero trust of China, so they won’t allow any Chinese taikonauts onto Western spacecraft.

    • @alexgood1056
      @alexgood1056 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      это возможно только в чрезвычайных аварийных обстоятельствах как в фильме "Гравитация",когда дипломатия должна уступить ради спасения людей на орбите, так что лучше не надо.

  • @zandvoort8616
    @zandvoort8616 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Great channel!

  • @denslipped
    @denslipped 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The Fentyan space suit is a redesigned copy of the Orlan-M space suit, which has not been used on the ISS for a long time. Currently, space suits of the Orlan-MKS modification are used on the ISS - they are fully computerized and have a plastic sealing layer. They also have a nadir porthole on the helmet, which is now usually closed due to the use of hoods from American spacesuits with an American television system.

  • @waxeggoil3130
    @waxeggoil3130 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Congratulations on better pronunciation of chinese. You're nearly there, Scott.

  • @killerkip1
    @killerkip1 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +20

    It's neat to see the technological and human aspect to this vs the pure political aspect. It's neat seeing what humanity can do, regardless of the political climate.

  • @Tod_oMal
    @Tod_oMal 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    What is happening with Starliner? Would you like to make a video on that? Thanks.

  • @SOR-05
    @SOR-05 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I’ve always liked how all of the different space programs have such iconic looks to them.

  • @EricaCalman
    @EricaCalman 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +33

    It's almost like having literally 10x the GDP buys you some more engineering work hours.

    • @Andreas-gh6is
      @Andreas-gh6is 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It's not the size of the GDP but how you use it. For several decades Russia has spent too much of its GDP - or rather the GDP of the other states in the Soviet Union (without asking them of course) on this technology. And they are still far far ahead of China in most regards. The recent progress in Shenzhou are partly the result of Putin being Xi's little bitch ...

    • @DIREWOLFx75
      @DIREWOLFx75 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

      Eh, actually, China has "only" about 5 times as many STEM graduates per year as Russia.
      And Russia has by far the highest average quality STEM graduates in the world.
      Meanwhile, Russia also graduates twice as many STEM graduates per year as USA... With less than half the population.
      That's when you kinda realise there's an issue somewhere.

    • @Andreas-gh6is
      @Andreas-gh6is 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@DIREWOLFx75 Russian STEM graduates suck by comparison with the rest of the world. But yeah, the US education system sucks bigger eggs. Also, the ultimate intelligence test for Russian STEM graduates is the question if they want to stay in this doomed country that may send them into battle at any time.

    • @EricaCalman
      @EricaCalman 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      @@DIREWOLFx75 well idk about highest quality coming from Russia but they do have a good education system and more STEM graduates per capita. It’s a testament to those things that Russia has kept up at all but China the US are clearly ahead by merit of just throwing sheer resources at Spaceflight.

    • @andrewsuryali8540
      @andrewsuryali8540 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      ​@@DIREWOLFx75 The Chinese education system is geared towards producing competent STEM workers, so while STEM graduate numbers are roughly equal to the US on a per-capita basis, the number of STEM workers is much higher than in either the US or Russia. These are the technicians and machinists and non-academic researchers who have vocational STEM training but no college degree. In China these people are absorbed by SoEs and trained up with on-the-job education. So you end up, for example, with a coal engineer who never went to any kind of university but holds a professorship in power plant engineering (rewarded by the Chinese Academy of Sciences) and publishes engineering papers three times a year from their work on the field. All the actual university graduates line up for internship with them.

  • @MarcoTedaldi
    @MarcoTedaldi 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Curious Marc has an awesome series where they restore and explain the sojus globe...

    • @scottmanley
      @scottmanley  29 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      Yes they do, it was an amazing piece of hardware in the 1960's

    • @christopherlawley1842
      @christopherlawley1842 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      still is

  • @morgansinclair6318
    @morgansinclair6318 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The three module setup makes a lot of sense even if you have a fatter rocket to work with, as it saves mass by making it so you need a smaller volume and mass to reenter.
    There was a very similar setup to Soyuz and Shenzhou submitted by General Electric, the Apollo D-2. The big visual difference was the aerodynamic shroud remaining in place.

  • @LMichaelL65
    @LMichaelL65 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    One thing I have noticed about Chinese launchers is the colour of the rocket plume. It seems to have a brownish colour, at least when it lifts off. I know this could just be dust from the ground being blown away, but I also notice it later in the flight as well. Does this have something with the type of fuel mix that they use, or is it just my imagination? I know, odd question, but ever since I first noticed it watching Chinese launches, it have been curious about it. Thanks!

  • @MoonWeasel23
    @MoonWeasel23 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +62

    I still love that the Chinese used freaking wood for their heat shields. Meanwhile on Orion…

    • @ThatOpalGuy
      @ThatOpalGuy 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      they are making some satellites with wood as well.

    • @JacquesMartini
      @JacquesMartini 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      K.I.S.S.!

    • @AAAAAA-tj1nq
      @AAAAAA-tj1nq 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      @@ThatOpalGuy lol anti China bot

    • @2hotflavored666
      @2hotflavored666 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@AAAAAA-tj1nq Lol pro China bot

    • @sweetybnz7482
      @sweetybnz7482 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      And meanwhile on Starship uncontrolled re entry is how it's done.

  • @NOLNV1
    @NOLNV1 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    If it ends up with a record like Soyuz I will be thrilled, those old tubes have been sent up countless times

  • @diraziz396
    @diraziz396 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    That picture of LC. Yang Leway holding UN & Chinese Stitched Flag is Very important. surprising even.

  • @crazylegssw
    @crazylegssw 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Whattup Scott! Love your stuff!

  • @judet2992
    @judet2992 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    0:45 Just like the Soviets with the Voshkod based satellites but reversed!

    • @reis1185
      @reis1185 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Technology Transfer

  • @DeatheaterSirius
    @DeatheaterSirius 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I got chance to see shanzu1 shanzu5 and shanzu 7 capsules

    • @ThatOpalGuy
      @ThatOpalGuy 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      that would be fun to see.

  • @soldiersvejk2053
    @soldiersvejk2053 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    8:37 Those names were the first generation Chinese astronauts. Most of them managed to fly crewed missions in the later years.

  • @KVP424
    @KVP424 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Single stick version of Long March 10 apparently will have it maiden flight in 2025 or 2026. So I assume they plan to test Mengzhou again when that rocket is ready.

    • @user-vo8zx2uj1p
      @user-vo8zx2uj1p 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Sure gotta be soon enough considering the developpement of all flight elements has ended at least 3 years ahead of schedule.

  • @MoritzvonSchweinitz
    @MoritzvonSchweinitz 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +29

    Such a pity that we can't all just get along in space, and cooperate. It's impressive what China managed to build up rather quickly. Imagine that, but with international cooperation!

    • @dewayneblue1834
      @dewayneblue1834 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      Yes and no. "International cooperation" can also result in adding a lot of complexity and costs with no measurable return.

    • @hammerr
      @hammerr 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The reason they developed so fast and are banned from the space station is that they stole every bit of technology where they could

    • @moss550
      @moss550 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Most likely they wouldn't have came as far as they have if US didn't banned them.
      NASA programs are not known to be on time or on budget, and Galileo has shown ESA is more of a hindrance to their development.

    • @Ithirahad
      @Ithirahad 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      International competition is part of the reason that Tiangong exists in the first place. Sometimes cooperation just results in a mess - "too many cooks" with all the cooks being national governments full of little factions with competing local interests... is very bad news.

    • @Freak80MC
      @Freak80MC 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I think human psychology is such that cooperation will always be less likely to give good results than good old competition. Humans naturally only innovate when in a competitive environment.

  • @quattrocity9620
    @quattrocity9620 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    If it hadn't been for China's Shenzhou, I'd have been married a long time ago.

    • @camojoe83
      @camojoe83 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You should listen to the real version of that song.

    • @quattrocity9620
      @quattrocity9620 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@camojoe83 I wasn't aware there was a non-real version

    • @camojoe83
      @camojoe83 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@quattrocity9620 the one by the wet brain disco turkeys is not the real one.
      The real one is about someone that has to spend his life watching over a relative that was beaten by prison guards into a blind, broken man and sent home.

    • @quattrocity9620
      @quattrocity9620 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@camojoe83 hmm never heard of the wet brain disco turkeys

    • @VictorZverovich
      @VictorZverovich 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Underrated comment

  • @pixelkatten
    @pixelkatten 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    That pendulum solution is... Unique! Very Uri Tuchman.

  • @charlieturner5831
    @charlieturner5831 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Can you do a video reviewing the arkbird space plane from the Ace combat video game series?

  • @Bystander333
    @Bystander333 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    OMG, flag flapping in air at 12:27, even China are in on the conspiracy. (I'm kidding, don't respond to that)
    Didn't a UK TH-camr find Buran abandoned in a hangar a few years ago then get humiliatingly ejected from Russia causing a bit of a diplomatic issue?

  • @denslipped
    @denslipped 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    It's not "objectively better"))). Soyuz is a self-sufficient spacecraft.
    1. The Soyuz manned spacecraft has been a means of delivery to the ISS for more than 20 years. It doesn't need a large orbital module to do this. A regular household compartment is sufficient, where cabinets and a toilet are located. Let me remind you that during the ASTP flight, four cosmonauts and astronauts were placed in the household compartment of the Soyuz.
    2. The reason for the use of the Soyuz spacecraft so far in the latest modification of 2016 is that this spacecraft is the "rescue ship" of the ISS.
    3. The descent vehicle of the Shenzhou spacecraft is completely copied from the Soyuz-T lander modification in scale. Yes, it turned out to be longer, but in the case of transport operations to the station, it does not matter, since the crew is delivered to the ISS today at a regular launch of about 3 hours.
    4. The latest modification of Soyuz - MS (upgraded systems) has a fully digital system and interfaces, including a new remote control. As for the periscope, this "Vzor" system is left for additional security, which is not mentioned in this video.
    5. As for solar electric panels that do not rotate on a gimbal, this is a vestige of the fact that this design has been used for more than half a century, but it is also a smaller weight of this design for the instrument and assembly compartment.

  • @anthonyreid66
    @anthonyreid66 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    any reason shenzhou orbital module not added to space station as an addition to living space before departure?

  • @shanemeyer9224
    @shanemeyer9224 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hay Scott what game was that where you had shown the craft in orbit? it looked kinda like kerbal but was way different

    • @jvsperoni
      @jvsperoni 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That's "Juno: New Origins"

  • @oneplot5132
    @oneplot5132 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    Thanks really great you spent time on Chinese space development, very neglected area ❤

    • @foxtraner
      @foxtraner 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      A deliberate attempt to keep you think the west is still a space dominant player, until well the Chinese set up a moon base😢

  • @inemanja
    @inemanja 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    People don't understand that when someone makes a copy for himself - he makes it better. That's why Buran was better than a shuttle, and that's also why Shenzhou is better than Soyuz.

    • @mduckernz
      @mduckernz 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Buran better? It didn’t fly though… how can that possibly be known?

    • @unownyoutuber9049
      @unownyoutuber9049 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@mduckernz Well for one it did fly, fully unmanned which the Space Shuttle never could do. It had a higher payload capacity then the Shuttle, and it was safer because it didn't use Solids.

    • @paulsengupta971
      @paulsengupta971 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The TU-144 wasn't better than Concorde...

    • @swordsman1137
      @swordsman1137 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@paulsengupta971 to be fair, Tu-144 is rushed and did first flight earlier than Concorde iirc

  • @skyscall
    @skyscall 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I love your usage of Juno: New Origins for visuals!! It's a hugely under-appreciated game for what it's capable of. I feel like most people tend to "default" to the Kerbal games simply because of their popularity and never give newcomers like Juno a fair shot. It's a game that definitely lives "under the shadow" of KSP, but has a lot to offer.

  • @airworks7809
    @airworks7809 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Appreciate the SimpleRockets2 footage

  • @Nowhereman10
    @Nowhereman10 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +47

    Without Russia's need for cash in the 1990s, it probably would've taken at least another ten years or so for China to develop something similar to Shenzhou in capability, and who knows how much longer for something like Tiangong.

    • @user-vo8zx2uj1p
      @user-vo8zx2uj1p 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +52

      The chinese wouldn't even have developped Tiangong if the U.S didn't decided the ban them from the iss, they just needed it because of that political move, they're perfectly capable, you know both the ussr and the chineses had a rather rough century, they were both respectively invaded and colonized, and they had bigger fish to fry like educating their population and resolving poverty, all the while they had to rebuilt their cities, farm, roads and life from millions of dead, the U.S that seized the opportunity to rule over a destroyed world after ww2 shouldn't even have been catched up on if it was an efficient country, however it is not and it's never been.

    • @saadisave
      @saadisave 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      ​@@user-vo8zx2uj1p the USSR was colonized? It was the colonizer; The direct descendant of the Russian Empire, however vehemently it may have disputed it.

    • @user-vo8zx2uj1p
      @user-vo8zx2uj1p 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@saadisave I said respectively, china was colonized, ussr was invaded by (unprovoqued) nazis who slaughtered 26 millions peoples, russians were the victims of the most brutal genocide by far in the whole history, yet all that interested our leaders are the genocide on the jews who did 20 millions victims less, i'm not going to argue over the number 6 millions killed is still an scandalous massacre, however it was way worse for the russians. What ussr managed to do while having lost so many people to the germans, and with the need to rebuilt, plus massive sanctions and isolation from the west, lack of ressources, and inevitables internal struggles due to the overall situation, was simply astonishing.
      Same deal with China, the ccp just had no reasons to be the winners of the war, they were fighting nationalists backed by americans, and japaneses who had colonized them after europeans, we can also add 3 warlords factions, all had vast armies and a technological advantage and more ressources, and the ccp simply couldn't rely on ussr in thoses time, yet they managed to assemble the majority of the population behind them, tired of the persecution of the armies of Chiang Kai-shek, and the humiliation of the invaders, that's the sole reason why the ccp could win, because they were favored by the people over the others... Ussr and china did expanded on territories that we can argue were originally not their own, but that's still their areas of influence nevertheless, culturally and historically speaking, it's still way more legitimate by a mile than any european country colonizing africa or some far away place...
      Plus considering what kind of hell was unleashed on both of thoses nations till only a few decades ago, it's rather hypocritical to ask/tell them anything now that they're reaching height that we don't want them to reach, particularly so when westerners countries are still delivering extremely unfair and brutal wars all over the place for oil and seizing different assets for specualtive purposes.
      I can talk however i want for what my country is doing i'm french and i do have a negative view on our colonisation, i'm not thinking i have to be sorry for the descendants of the peoples our ancestor killed however i do wish we would just leave them be, my gov don't seem to be agreeing with this. In this moment New Caledonia (is that the right name in english?) is revolting over a new set of law that was passed by our gov, they're mostly independantist and i'm agreeing with this, we have nothing legitimate to do on the other side of the planet.

    • @jamesmandahl444
      @jamesmandahl444 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @saadisave
      lol

    • @user-vo8zx2uj1p
      @user-vo8zx2uj1p 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      @@saadisave My comment was instantly deleted amazing, it was a huge brick so i'm going to that again but i did said "respectively" ussr was invaded china was colonized.

  • @dosmastrify
    @dosmastrify 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Just happened to check TH-cam and then this is posted a minute ago. Fancy!

    • @Nilguiri
      @Nilguiri 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      What are the chances!?

  • @bobbagum
    @bobbagum 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    how long can the orbit module stay in space? can they dock it to the station to create extra room on the station after the capsule has returned even temporarily, or even act like the progress to receive waste and re-entry

    • @rh9909
      @rh9909 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      6Mo and not anymore(from SZ7); and not very good economically (have to spend money and weight optimizing long-term life support and connections for sub-adequate living space)

  • @Conundrum191
    @Conundrum191 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Great video...to be honest I always assumed that Shenzhou was just a repurposed Soyuz design, and not it's own thing. Interesting to see while they are similar, one is actually not like the other.

  • @VG_164
    @VG_164 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    I sure hope it would be better than the 1960's era design it was based on 🤣

  • @Tiffany_Waiting
    @Tiffany_Waiting 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +36

    Which more important? Hmm... 1) Create Digital Control System 2) Avoid nearby villages with discarded boosters..

    • @KVP424
      @KVP424 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Well from what I gather those thing are more of a problem for inland Southern Launch site. Different department of their space program and all that…

  • @General12th
    @General12th 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Hi Scott!
    Land safe!

  • @SparrowHawkPilot
    @SparrowHawkPilot 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Scott what is the software you use to show us these orbital sims?

    • @limliangwei8354
      @limliangwei8354 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It is a space game "Juno New Origin"

  • @tonyennis1787
    @tonyennis1787 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    2:35 the Shuttle was such a boondoggle. We found the most expensive way to get payloads into space.

    • @ThatOpalGuy
      @ThatOpalGuy 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      and yet without it we wouldnt have some of the things we have today. but, yeah, greed and mismanagement increase the cost of most every project.

    • @jaimeduncan6167
      @jaimeduncan6167 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      It was also the most advanced spacecraft ever and had unique capabilities, but most of them were not used. I was a nice

    • @JacquesMartini
      @JacquesMartini 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      too many cooks, too much swiss army knife.

    • @AAAAAA-tj1nq
      @AAAAAA-tj1nq 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@ThatOpalGuy space shuttles was a failure. 2 of them went boom

    • @tonyennis1787
      @tonyennis1787 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@AAAAAA-tj1nq What made them a failure wasn't the loss of two ships, it was that the idea was bad to begin with.

  • @jourdanjackson5365
    @jourdanjackson5365 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Well duhhh. It's 30 years newer. What do you expect.

    • @nivitoachumi2991
      @nivitoachumi2991 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Well, Americans built rockets to land on the moon 60 years ago, they can't do it now.

  • @jeechun
    @jeechun 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great vid!

  • @paulmoffat9306
    @paulmoffat9306 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    ESA's 'Hermes' space plane, was a project started by MBB in Germany, back in the 90's and was to be launched on an Ariane 4 booster.

  • @edichkalimonoff878
    @edichkalimonoff878 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    "Шеньджоу" не может быть хуже, т. к., во первых, он на 50 лет моложе, чем "Союз", а во вторых, Россия передала Китаю многие технологии "Союза". Странно, что кому-либо нужно что-то доказывать.

    • @aungaisum8654
      @aungaisum8654 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Russia didn't transfer any technologies to China. They learned it all by themselves. Russian not that kind at those time. Space station also 100% Chinese technologies.

    • @basilshauvet8761
      @basilshauvet8761 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      ​​@@aungaisum8654dude, you don't even know what you're writing about. Chinese space station is an adoptation of Salyut

  • @maiaemmett2399
    @maiaemmett2399 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I really appreciate that this video was well grounded and nuanced, especially with how it praised and appreciated China's ingenuity in Shenzhou's development. This was a real good video.

  • @michaelreid2329
    @michaelreid2329 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Looking at the difference of diameter of the Vulcan launcher compared to the Starliner capsule its surprising that neither the Russians nor Chinese just didn't increase their capsule diameter. Those things appear to be very squeezey.

  • @treefarm3288
    @treefarm3288 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thanks for the history lesson!

  • @controlfreak1963
    @controlfreak1963 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    I kind of assumed that long ago. Russia's education system collapsed around 1985 so most of their engineers are retiring or dead. They've been outsourcing their technical people for decades and have been cruising on USSR tech to this day.

    • @MrSkipLim
      @MrSkipLim 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      The Russian education system has remained exactly the same, look at various international tournaments, Olympiads and competitions in physics, mathematics and programming

    • @scottmanley
      @scottmanley  28 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Indeed, it's more that opportunities for the smart, well educated people are much better elsewhere.

    • @controlfreak1963
      @controlfreak1963 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      @@MrSkipLim I worked as a control engineer for an american oil company in Russia about a decade ago before I retired. I learned from the locals that most of the technical schools collapsed in the 80's. The universities still exist for those that can afford them but the level of technical education dropped like a rock compared to the USSR days. The US also used to fund more technical education when I was younger than today so we are in something of a similar situation (although not as critical) as we outsourced to China over the last 30 years.