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Alfa Romeo Giulia 1750 GTV 105 series Coupe - Revisiting an old friend...
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.ค. 2018
- I sold this 1750 GTV twenty years ago.. the current owner got in touch and I've now driven it gain. Now I'm old and wiser will it's charms woo me or was I right to sell it all those years ago?
I’ve been owning 1969 1750GTV Mk.1 for 35 years in Japan since 1986 when I was 26 years old. Beautiful, nice engine, fun-to-drive and reasonably practical, it’s a really nice and ideal car for me. I love it🍀
To me this is the most beautiful sports sedan ever made. Don't comment negatively if you have not driven one, especially the GTV 2000. Wonderful car and man does it look good.
It’s a coupe not a sedan.
What a wonderful car. Easily my favourite Alfa. It's such a simple design, there's really nothing special about the design, but it's just so perfect.
That was my first car too!... Actually, a 2000 GT veloce, 105 coupe.
I'll never forget this exceptional feeling when driving this car... Never...
Very sad that I forced to sell it for financial reasons...
Oh my god that's my dream car... if i ever buy a classic it's always been my first choice
go for a lhd one it does not have two servo's and underfloor brake master cylinder and miles of brake pipes
Augustin Fabre I had one of the very last ever made, a 2000gtv se same colour, with black vinyl roof and cromadora alloy wheels. Sold it in 1979 for a Range Rover... big regret!
I can only imagine the emotions one would feel when reunited with ones first classic car. I imagine I would be a blubbering fool if I was able to drive again my 64 Malibu!
Just gorgeous. My first car was a 1750 here in Cape Town South Africa 🙂
I'm fortunate to own one of these lovely 1750 GTVs. It's a wonderful car and for its almost 50 years of age, one must respect that it is no longer the track and field hero it once was but rather a classic, ageing beautifully, and still a whole lot of fun.
What an amazing coincidence! My name is also Jack, and when I was 23, I bought my 2000 GTV (technically a Tipo 115 as the US spec version). It was a college graduation present to myself, bought on 23 August 1975 (the local dealer still had 5 for sale). It has been my daily driver for over 47 years and it's been as reliable as a Toyota. With well over a million km (currently 646K miles) I have no plans to stop driving it.
PS - that cello/viol/piano piece at the beginning almost made me cry. It seemed so evocative of what we have lost in the automotive world since the 105 was made and was as gorgeous as the car. What was it? My guess would be Shostakovich, but I don't recognize it.
I owned a 1974 1600GTJ in Sweden when I was a student. I left it in a barn, moved abroad and never saw it again... Pathetic but such is life...
your loving detailed explanationof the true personality of this car was WONDERFUL. I've owned a half dozen Alfas over the last 30 years, my last being a 1969 Duetto, a lovely highly modified monster car, realdy to implode at any moment yet a lion at-heart. Your story was splendid.
Back in 1978 we lived in Germany, and one of my fellow soldiers had a LHD 2000GTV Innezione - in red, of course. He went to Northern Ireland for six months, and gave it to me to look after it. It was not in the best fettle, with a misfire that never quite went away, so it went into the then well-known Alfa garage near Brunssum for fettling. When I collected it the following week, it was like driving a different car - the sound alone was intoxicating, so instead of going back the our home in Rheindahlen, we drove down to Trier instead. We loved it to bits! Happy memories - thanks, Tom, wherever you may be.
Great video, what an awesome experience to drive a car from your past. I love the way you enthuse your passion for Alfas but can also articulate its shortcomings without denigrating someone else's car. Makes me reflect on cars that I have owned and where they have ended up. Great job!!
I'm glad you liked it sir, was a great video to make and has been a long time coming!
Wonderful car and another memorable journey. My late father had a 1976 2.0 GTV in black he had five trouble free years and it was his favourite car
The love of his life. I do hope Stellantis will get Alfa back to making some great cars again and not just a line of SUVs. What Fiat have done to Alfa and Lancia is nothing short of criminal.
My first acquaintance with an Alfa was in this model as a passenger aged 16 , it was a magical ride for me it was an Italian super car!
I had one of these when i was in the Army stationed in Italy during the seventies! Loved it but it had problems! But wow when it worked right it was awesome! This one is beautiful!
Wow Jack, just caught up with this video.... fantastic! Loved the back story, the car and your production quality has taken a big leap too. We'll done chap.
Excellent video Jack, I always look forward to them and you deserve so many more subscribers
Carl, it isn't the numbers that count, it's the quality that matters.🤔🤔🤔
Thanks Carl. I'd like to think you're right.. would be nice to have more subs! Still, great to have loyal followers like you!
England game is on and saw this in notifications and had to have a loo break to watch this. Well worth it, great effort with this one bud. Thank you.
Fab, honoured you took a break from the game to watch!!
My first of three Alfas was a secondhand Berlina 1750. Same underpinnings as this car I believe. Can’t agree with your assessment of the handling.
I found the car very neutral and once you got used to steering it on the throttle as well as the wheel and got used to the initial body roll it really became an extension of your fingers and toes.
Nothing I had driven up until then gave such reward for my input and oh that engine. A wonderful car only replaced due to serious rust for an Alfetta 1750, quite a different driving experience due to the gearbox being in the rear.
Rust resulted in a new Giulietta 2L, one of the last pre Fiat cars which we kept for 23 years until my health intervened. Still miss it terribly though none were that fast but their driving experience was so rewarding.
Best car review, ever. Absolutely loved it.
Hi Tony, Great video. You started just like I did. Bought mine when I was 21 - a Mk1 1750 GTV my dream car back in the 1980s. I want to trace mine, and buy it back, and fully restore it. I still say it's my Best ever. Beautiful looking, lovely engine, stylish interior. I was only discussing this with AROC over the weekend at the London Classic Car show. Very special!
I'm so happy for you my brother. Living a dream. Keep it up...
Just purchased an Evora. Love your channel and your Everyman take on these amazing machines. There are car people and then there are CAR PEOPLE.... you’re clearly in the latter camp 👍. I’ve yet to have my obligatory Alpha Romeo experience but when I do, I reckon something like the Giulia Quadrifoglio would do the trick.
Best montage, best car on your channel.
The 1750 is the most classy and best tourer.
For me personal, i prefer the scalino. With the 2l nord swap.
kris hey I agree with you! From 1968 to be precise, with the flat dash :)
Glad you enjoyed it Kris.. thought you might like this one!!
Always Nice to see the double brake servo setup.
And despite the best car, best montage.. not a very successful video. TH-cam is weird.
Are we getting old? ;).
I don't get modern Cars anymore.
Jack, the first thing I thought of (after the goosebumps following your explanation of the car and your history) was La Passione....bravo!
This car must have a worn suspension. I have a 1973 Alfa 2000 GTV and it is not moving around and it hugs the road very well. All new bushes, with some upgraded to poly, lowered and a bigger roll bar at the front. I also have 15" GTA replicas. A friend had to work hard to keep up on the twisty bits in his late Punto Abarth. I have driven the same car with only new bushes and no upgrades/mods, and it too drove very well.
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I was thinking the sam...!
I have had a lots of classics in the 80's and the ones i miss the most are the various 105 series cars which were affordable.
Beautyful
I love the honesty of this video. It's tempting to believe that if I could revisit my first car, I'd fall in love all over again. But probably not (1966 Ford Corsair when I was 17). I nearly bought a 1967 Alfa GT Junior but bought a Capri 2000 GTXLR instead because it was the 70s and I was an Essex boy. Two cars I'd love to see you cover are the Lancia Flavia 2000 Coupe and, if you can find one, the Alfa Romeo 6C of 1951 (with the fitted luggage). I love this channel - keep it up!
Lovely video. I'm the same age and got into classic cars at the same time. My first love was a 1750 GTV that the owner refused to sell. I went on to a BMW 2002, MGB, Triumph TR6, Citroen DS and Porsche 356. I never got around to owning a Bertone coupé.
Your best work. So much emotion. Well done mate.
Thank you my friend!! Really appreciate you commenting and always watching my vids!!
Thanks for a review of a great classic! Just wanted to comment on your take on the chassis and steering. I owned a 1750 GTV a few years back, which I extensively rebuilt (really extensively!) There are three steering linkages which need to be in good shape, not to mention the steering idler on the passenger side - any slop here and it will have an undesirable effect on steering precision. But here's a detail that may go un-noticed. It's quite common for people to slightly lower the suspension, for a slightly cooler look and potentially handling improvement. However this can negatively impact steering precision. Alfa cleverly designed the steering to slightly toe - in under heavy braking and also whilst cornering with body roll - this tends to sharpen up the feel. Now when suspension is lowered, this effect will either disappear, or worse will be reversed!! I loved the steering feel of my GTV - super precise, responsive etc., especially on super windy roads. Never any wandering or lack of precision that you described. After owning an Alfa I'm generally disappointed with other cars I've driven since! Does anyone think Alfa wound actually design a car with sub par steering?? Cheers to Number 27.
I must admit, that my first drive of a 105 was not as great as I was hoping, but I hope I can get mine to be just the way I want it. Another great video Jack, they are getting better every time.
Hey, I do think that with various handling kits you can get you to handle much better.. there is loads of stuff out there for them. Cant wait for you to get started
Owned one of these when I was stationed (US Navy) in Naples, Italy. Great little car....wish I'd brought it back when I returned to the US
Lovely to hear that Roy, can just imagine how special it must have been driving that around Naples in an Alfa in those days!
@@Number27More fun on the back roads or a trip north (to Roma) on Via Domenciana (which I probably spelled wrong, but it wa what we refer to as a secondary road
Bloody hell Jack I’m Older than you really enjoyed this trip down memory lane what a pretty car I was born in 71 mate first car four door Mk1 Escort god do I miss that car keep up the amazing videos hopefully see you soon with Harvey’s BMW 👌🏻👌🏻🎬🎬
Jack, seriously, this production is awesome - by far your best yet. Bravo my friend. Loved the angle looking back from the bonnet through the windscreen.
Strangely, I find my self disappointed that it didn't quite meet your expectations :) Agree, quality interior though!
I can't take credit, the owner of the car Tony did almost all the filming.. hence the quality. He's very talented. Unfortunately despite the production values and (I believe) engaging story the video is not having much success. TH-cam is bizarre and at time quite disappointing!
Number27 hmmm. That is bizarre. I thought it was a great story.
Lovely car. I had the same car aged 24 - EAR 7F. I remember it as being beautifully balanced and as you said in the video - you've got work with it. I am currently driving a 2.2 Prodrive Brera which I commend to you. Really enjoyable film - many thanks.
Glad you liked it.. I know the Prodrive is much better than the standard Brera.. lovely looking car!!
Fantastic refurbishment and review. I can vouch for your enthusiasm. I felt the same of my 1750 Berlina, and my 2000GTV. They were the epitome of that ALFA mystique and feel that enveloped you, and hard to explain to Toyota drivers. My later 1982 V-6 GTV and 87 Milano didn't have as much, but it was there. The 83 roadster had it but cowl shake detracted from it pretty much. The coupes and sedans all had a solid , torsionally rigid structure.
'83 roadster? Surely, you mean Spider?;) Scuttle shake, they all had in those days...
The first "quality" car I drove any real distance was a family-owned nearly new Guilia Super 1600 back in the early '70s - great car. Yes, I aspired to a GT Junior but I once saw a convertible version which was so beautiful I could never consider the coupe again - yet they were rarer than hen's teeth so it never happened.
Now that's a proper classic car review. Bravo!!
Coming from a Sir that is particularly pleasing ;)
Had the loan of a 2000GTV when I was 19. It was 1975. To me in was fantastic on my fast bumpy test road. It was a handful of you got it properly unstuck in the wet. The rear would regain traction and the front would then loose grip. A hard balancing act but not as bad as the Fiat 125s I owned. I loved it but could not afford it at the time. Tempted now though.
Beautifully filmed, nice review.
Thank you my friend!
By far your best production level to date - this should be your new standard and I’d hope yer subs would reflect the increase
Hey, I had Tony's help and his very expensive cameras for this.. but I am intending on improving all my stuff gradually. Wont quite be this good though..
I've always loved this gorgeous car.💋
I’m South African. I had a mate who used to buy Alfas here and export them to the UK for sale and make a nice profit. Maybe he exported your car. Too bad there’s not that many here any more.
Wow that would be a really cool!! Enjoy SA Steve!
Jack, I had a 105 series 2000 GTV in very good condition with 42k miles from new. Like yours, yours, it was my first car. I bought it when I was 30, in 2010. Loved the exterior design, the sound of the engine up the revs and on the overrun when the exhaust crackled and popped, and because it had the Harvey Bayley handling kit fitted, the car was very responsive too. Brought joy every time I drove it. A proper Alfa and a gem of a classic. The series 1 1750 is the one to go for as you say, as it has the best interior of the series too.
I've heard good things about the Harvey Bailey kit! The 2.0L has a charm all of it's own.. but yes the interior on the 1750 is very nice! Thanks for watching Corran!!
I had the same model GTV Alfa for 6 years in the late 1970s. It was THE sports car for me during young adulthood. There was the usual rust issue and poor Italian electrics which I had replaced with Bosch.
Just love those 1750 seats!!
Nice looking design. Wish someone would bring it back with more modern touch just like they've done to the minis
Nicely done Jack, as always 😀
Thanks mate!!
What a great story !! Took me back to the early 1970’s & a Guilia that was stored in a lockup near where I worked. I umm’d & aahh’d & missed the sale. Isn’t nostalgia great ? Sadly not always, but I enjoyed your trip down memory lane.
Hey thanks, glad you enjoyed it, sorry for the late reply!! You still
Have time to buy one!
You’re best video yet 👍
Now, can you you get your hands on an alfaholics GTA-R?
What a beautiful little car 👌
Very nice :) I have a 1966 Sprint GT Veloce; I think it's evens on the desirability - I prefer the step front shape and the earlier dash.
Loved the video. Takes me back to my 71 1750 Kamm tail spider which i ran for 10 years and also traded 20 years ago. Id buy it back if I saw it on the market. Spot on with the handling. Pretty soggy really but a goid tourer. My TR6 is a lot sharper.
Glad you agree Richard and thanks for the comment!!
tldw: Man regrets selling a classic car. Spends entire video convincing himself it was the right choice.
Replace rubber bushings & install 4 koni or kyb adjustable gas shocks vs oem sachs.
The south africans alterations of front coils may still be up front.
2000 gtv engine is now the most desirable. Extra 15 hp and torque plus a limited slip rear.
I had one of these in 1986 when I was 19. Great car.
Great video - again!
Thank you sir!!
Very nice 👍...not sure I agree about 1750 vs 1600 Veloce though..... Scalino ( Step Nose) is the classic iteration of the 105 body .
Dino Pappous and I own one🤣🤣🤣
Bellisimo! I have been looking forward to this. My dream car. There are companies that can address all the shortcomings here in the UK. You could eigther get the parts you require from them or, if you have spare coin, get your car Restomoded.
Great job as always Jack ! Number 27 the best channel on TH-cam 😉👍.......... come on England 😀
Thanks buddy, shame England didn't make it.. :(
I agree. Number27 has such a great, how do I put this, "every man" flavour. I love channels like Doug DeMero and Seen Through Glass, but Number27 is just more.....real. Attainable? Relatable even? I love it!
England did VERY well matey. A joy to watch. I was lucky enough to be back in England visiting family during the World Cup. What an atmosphere! (They don't "get" Football in Australia).
Wonderful choice
I still miss mine, sold it when I lived in Putney for £500!!! Agree totally with the handling, but if you work at it it really rewards? Good vid again Jack
Thanks Jago!! See you soon with Fred
thee measure of your gifts are timeless
Grande macchina e grande cuore! Alfa Romeo purosangue! Non per tutti...
What I like about the Italian cars is that they write the gauges in Italian. Eg olio = oil, benzina = petrol, acqua = water.
Such beautiful lines and interior
I agree.. timeless!!!
As a child we also spent our summer holidays in italy - and I was very interested in this Bertone Coupe, beside the Alfetta, the Lancia Beta Coupe, Fiat 128 , ... and so on. 😃😃😃👍🛵
That was great...thanks for taking the time.
Thanks you for the lovely comment! Glad you enjoyed the video
Sounds like something’s wrong with the steering geometry. Might have happened when the springs were changed. Happened to my GT Junior. And on these cars if everything is not perfect you’ll notice. Get it perfect and it’s heaven!
Steven Fernando I agree when I bought mine I drove it home and regretted buying but once sorted drives perfectly
The geometry of the steering is out for sure, the front wheels are most likely pointing outwards
Really loved seeing this, fantastic looking car. Shame you didn't bond with it
Was still good seeing and driving it again! Thanks for watching Peter!
Beautiful car, and really enjoyable video, did you consider another one of these , I agree last real Alfa in my opinion to
$100K Plus for one of these now in Australia. My Dad had a Mint White Berlina 1750 which he bought new and he sold it back in the late 80s when I was a kid for bugger all. Can't believe it....
Be interesting to do another review after a full restoration. Great work.
Yep, it certainly would!! thanks for watching Mark
I almost bought an Alfa GTV back in the early seventies when I was the same age you were when you bought yours. They were asking $2,600 for it and it was light blue. Another dealer was advertising a FIAT 124 coupe for only $2,000 and I figured that would be close enough for a lot less money. I went to that dealer and it turns out he didn’t even know what he was selling, and it was a 124 Spider. I bought it anyway.
The choices we make when we’re young and foolish. Thankfully now I’m old and foolish.
🤣🤣🤣 hilarious they didn’t know it was a spider!!
The Alfa looks amazing.
They do look great!! Thanks for watching
still such elegance. )but glad to know i can put it on my cars i dont want to own list now ! :-)
Ha! Well this one was probably in need of a proper set up so don’t let me put you off. Try one yourself Philip!
I drove many living in RSA. They where driven flat out in those days.
holy production values batman!
Getting better huh? Will visit with Fred soon!
Gorgeous, gorgeous little machine but it does look like that front end is dancing around more than it should.
I remember the test drive well ,old boy in the back getting thrown about ,me trying to get you to slow down as we were in someone else's car on single track country lanes expecting to see a tractor round the next corner. Then spending a couple of hours trying to free up the brakes.
Exactly, you loved every minute of it Hooter and not a complaint or moan in sight as usual..
Oh, you are a lucky guy. I had an alfa 1600 junior for many years in the seventies and eighties. Would like to have one again- as an1300, 1600,1750 or 2000- but they are too expansive for me now. A decent one starts here in Germany from 30 00,- Euros on. And I am too old now to buy and manage a restauration- projekt. But I wonder if my white 1600 Junior is still alive.
At the other end of the spectrum, I've always loved to own a GTV or Junior but ended up buying a 1600 Spider coda tronca instead as the difference in prices is quite big. I really enjoy owning the Spider but if the opportunity arises I will definitely go for a GT. I honestly thing that they are one of the most beautiful car designs of that era
Beautiful car
Great stuff Jack 👍
So happy you still watch my stuff Paul!!! And largely un coerced too (I think!)
Hang on, I thought you agreed to pay me for watching 😂 Keep up the good work mate, I'm enjoying watch them.
memories.......what a lovely car! At least it isn't blocking up my garage anymore!
Ha!! yes, was funny to see it gain all these years later. Do wonder what my 24 years old self would make of my life now..
I’ve been waiting for this!
Hope you liked it?
Number27 yes man it was an awesome vid, you clearly love the style of this car. and hate the way it drives like most sane people. people that love them unconditionally ignoring their flaws including me are insane, and they are called Alfisti! hahahaha
Number27 man i have one question for you, if i sell my alfa which is moded for fast road use, what car can replace it for enjoying a Sunday's drive and a track day. what is the first that comes in mind?
nice video, thanks
Inside, this car looks so familiar that I would say it was a 1969 year model, never forget. Mine was 1969 Bertone GTV 1750, front seats was different. Rear lights was same, also in front but The front blink lights were similar like Fiat 600 was. Oh hell, how I miss that car !
Ahh, thanks for watching, glad it brought back some memories!
Well done vid/review. Always like the frank and direct opinion.
It's such a gorgeous car! What about the GTAs? Are they so crazy expensive? Ever driven one?
Never driven one and absolutely mental expensive... thanks for watching!!
300k at least
They are fully handmade all aluminium body with crazy race engines. They are full on racecars
Fab as always
🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂
Dear ALfa Romeo.its about time you remanufacture Gtvs, alfa giulia 1300ti .its going to be marvellous.nothing beats alfa gtv, boxy 1300 giulia body design.
Yes it would be cool. Thanks for watching!!
Hi Jack, I bought my 105 when I was 21 in 1995 and still drive her. I disagree about your opinion about corners.
When I was young I throw her in the bends very fast with a little effort on the steering wheel. I only did the first part of the corner and then the car steered itself. Problem is that on the wet or if you try too hard, the car will close the corner and you'll end in the inner side of the turn. The more you push, the more she steers. If you drive slow that doesn't happen.
Maybe that 1750 has a rear end too low. At least from outside seems so.
Constant torque steer with a rear wheel drive? That takes a bit of doing.
It looks stunning - who designed it? Centro Stile or Pininfaria?
This was my second car in82. My very first was the fiat 124 sports cc 1800.
Fabulous car.
Amazing!
Cheers buddy!
Lovely car so thanks for the video.
Regarding the crunch in the gearbox, fellow Alfisti may want to try the following gearbox fluid: Redline 75W90NS
As there are two versions it has to be the “NS” version which stands for non-slip. The other version is apparently no good for the gearbox but used in an LSD. This fluid should improve cold driving and crunches in the gear change. Although I haven’t used myself yet, I’m going to get my mechanic to change the fluid at the next service 😃
Would be interested to hear from anyone who’s already tried it.
Thanks for watching dude and for your tips on the gearbox oil!!
I have a 1986 GTV6 and yes , second gear requires double clutching . I’ll have to check into this👍
I’ve used the oil. It doesn’t matter. Shifts better but if the 2nd synchro is shot it won’t help at all
Love this video. Appreciate your honest comments. These are some of the most beautiful cars ever made.
Beautiful car..
They re fab looking things. thanks for watching!