yeah but back then casters didn't scale with spell power, you amplified damage by applying negative resists, and bosses had a 39% chance to resist spells. it was a completely different game post patch 1.6.
in 2019 pretty sure the world first softcore MC clear was filled with level 55s and people wearing greens, fire resist gear is overkill if your group has some semblance of a strategy and coordination
Ya a video popped up of him savix an guzu chasing rank 14 which is only 4 years ago it was bad man he looked like a baby compared to now like he looks like a Crack head or drugs got him hard but IDK
1:25 best strategy I've done in the past is to max range the disorient, hunters can max it and almost always have aggro when the melee get disoriented. Feign death when the hound is close and it goes back to tank. Unclear if it'll still work for classic servers though!
Ngl, I did Mc back in Vanilla lile 2006-7ish, but when you suggested that, I remembered thats what we did. Just gotta make sure someone like an offtank can bring the hound back to the main tank before he starts going after healers. Back them I was a pally, so I mainly just spammed one heal button. Im sure the meta now is diff with all the data out, but I was pretty much a portable fire aura, BoK bic, and told to keep the judgement that restores mana on hit on the mobs at all times. That was back then when you had to buff everyone individually, so literally every trash mob pull we had to refresh them lol. And back then on Alliance only Dwarf priests had fear ward, so we wiped on the 2nd boss or whenever the Hellhound boss is, every might for like a month. Only other option was for Warrior to stance dance out of it, but it takes a few secs and the boss eats someone by then.
8:33 Chance spends 8 mins talking about what to do when you get resists to the disorientate, immediately skips over the part in the VOD where all tanks get disorentated, mage, who resists, gets agro, blocks, then priest (that we're watching) gets agro and dodges the attack... Painful to see the amount of clueless comments from chat
Coming from a speedrunning perspective their comp is god awful, but even out of a casual perspective having the bare minimum of 4 warriors/offtanks is wild. Pulling the mobs into the tunnel is weird, you put all into a cone, you normally pull the mobs towards lava side to prevent aoe onto the group while banishing one in the group, but that's also coming from a perspective that you have enough warrior to pick up loose mobs which is always gonna happen since they stun.
imo the trash after garr up to Domo is where most deaths occur, the trash does nuts fire dmg and stuns. you one of those healers/dps who just wanna ignore stam over dps/hps stats will get destroyed everytime. or will need to be chugging GFPPs to survive. i guarentee that priest had 0 FR and was barely over 3k hp WITH fort buff.
Core hounds are simple; don't overcomplicate it. Tank and offtank: when the tank gets dazed or stunned, he loses aggro; have the offtank pick it up and face away from the raid. Don't dispel anything except the fire res debuff and the HP one (I think). If you want to be very safe, you have all your casters take max range talents so they outrange everything and have one of your off-tanks stand with the casters if you think it's needed.
Their tanks don't even seem to have their shields equiped half the time and I am scared to look up their specs. But yes you are correct. MT/OT communicating.
I get a lot of them are new, but this was painful to watch. It feels like no actual prep went into this at all besides setting a time and telling people to buy some GFPPs. MC trash packs should not be this difficult in 2025, even for newbies.
Newbies wont know about some of these things because they are *newbies* 😂 it was the job of the raid leader(s) to go over the important stuff before the raid though
@@Damaxyz I agree the raid leader should have said more, but there is no way I'm going into a raid on a hardcore server without researching everything in advance. Warlocks should have known to banish without being told. The raid leader is still mostly at fault, though. If that was me (I led raid guilds from 2005 until I quit playing in 2015), I wouldn't have pulled a single mob without the tanks and warlocks acknowledging their targets. I also would have reminded healers not to cast anything during LOS pulls. I suspect everyone (including the raid leader) learned from this experience and will handle it better the next time they are in there.
You want content? Don't take ahmpy to the first raid. If you do bring him, and he doesn't RL that's like having bill belichick block on offense during the superbowl, instead of coach.
Those raid leads were trash and the comp was terrible. Tanks were slow and unaware, warlocks don't know what their doing with banishes. Not taking things seriously at all.
The trinket that removes fear? I forget if it cures other stuff like incapicitate and mind control stuff. If the disorient can be dispelled then it is prob considered one of those three.
PvP trinkets remove different CCs based on the assigned class .. some are combos of sleep/stun/disorientates .. some fear/poly/incap .. but it’s always in a combo of 3 and it varies between all the different types of CC in the game.
Soda is correct 4 seconds is a very long time to be disoriented people will die all the time in the instances from being one shot at what do you think the core hound can do in 4 seconds if multiple people resist
I raided a good bit on Defias Pillager and had this absolute madman guild leader but no one died in his MC runs. 110% the blame of the raid leads for every death in this vid
@@pagirios2285 Yes they usually are. As long as youre a good listener and follow instructions well, a heals/dps thats a good raidlead could def walk you through it
Yeah, a raid like this (with newer players) needs a more vocal raid leader. One that is detail oriented and constantly making sure people know their roles on every pull. That last death could have been avoided by communicating that they were doing a LOS pull and for healers not to cast anything that will draw aggro. (A tank still should have grabbed that mob by then, though.)
If you get aggro on Core Hound you LIP + if needed Dummy, ideally one would have GFPP prepopped. That should buy enough time to for tank to get aggro again.
Femboypaws here, it came down to a raid leading / explanation issue. Locks really shoulda been on point with the banishes asap, beyond that, getting people all on the same page with what the strategy was.
just buy gfpps 20 gold vs 3 days played the raid lead was doing fine up until that point. obviously if you have people dying to an unmitigated mistake, booting the dead silently and acting like it's raining should make you unsettled. vibes are off hearth out
Raid lead issue forsure if ppl didnt have fire pots before pull my speedrun non hc guild would use them if u font 2 fire blossoms ur dead or fire blossom plus charge not banishing asap is also insane
I would think it's common knowledge to have a full raid of GFPPs going when you reach Baron's hallway in the case you get double targeted by fire blossom on pull (Much more common than you see here even), full banishes (You better have 4 locks minimum for rocky boi anyways), and certain eles have to be faced away to avoid aiming their frontals on the raid. Without that knowledge you have no business being here in HC.
That actually makes sense. They're not streaming so they aren't worried about content or entertaining an audience so their attention is actually 100% on the game and leveling. They have no other priories or distractions.
@@user-kh7tg8my4n Well yeah but they suck because they all have ADHD that is exacerbated by the chat and donos and other nonsense. MMOs don't require any kind of skill just patience and attention which is where streamers fail.
World of Warcraft has lost it's magic anyways. It's been too figured out. This fangsly run was a pretty good demonstration of what a guild tackling a hard dungeon for the first time would look like. Server first clears would be more epic.
how long do these characters even survive raiding? doubt you can clear Molten Core a couple of times and then not die after a while of raiding, it eventually happens
locks banish, 4 ppl dead then they make time to explain after everyone is already scared. locks will banish banish now not ppl spamming the lock - banish in chat. just making it worse. . . for ppl that have never played.
Jeeez and I wanted to resub to roll on onlyfangs server .. but I didn’t wanna just be excluded from endgame cuz I’m not a streamer lol so I was hoping there was a few ‘decent’ PvE guilds forming .. but ooof raiding with a setup like this is baad idea .. I get you don’t have ideal choosing seeing how no one ever reaches 60 lmao but they def shoulda came with more warriors .. their deeps is pretty low, and warriors are the most rolled class in HC I thought ? I unsubbed at the end of phase4 and Ngl I wouldn’t be surprised if they never make it to the end of naxx
@MsAAAAAA222 the same as they always have worked bro 20 year old game. Just the dad guilds have a hard time with it. Face the lava elementals away and only the tank gets stunned by himself
I mean back in the old days, there's a reason we were rocking resist fire gear and potions for these..
Of course it's gonna be hard without it
yeah but back then casters didn't scale with spell power, you amplified damage by applying negative resists, and bosses had a 39% chance to resist spells. it was a completely different game post patch 1.6.
fireblossom is just gonna kill people outright
the lack of warriors also shines really bright too
Back in the old days we were also terrible at the game and were clicking our buttons at 17 fps lmao,
in 2019 pretty sure the world first softcore MC clear was filled with level 55s and people wearing greens, fire resist gear is overkill if your group has some semblance of a strategy and coordination
Soda lookin real middle aged aunt after a divorce
Ya a video popped up of him savix an guzu chasing rank 14 which is only 4 years ago it was bad man he looked like a baby compared to now like he looks like a Crack head or drugs got him hard but IDK
needs cut so bad lmao and not necessarily cut short. just something
you ask ahmpy, that's how you deal with or literally anything. you ask ahmpy.
If you have to ask anyone about MC, you should just be playing fresh instead of hardcore. Lol
@@aaronzNJD sad but true
Yehe or read his PowerPoint 🤣
i go through 10-15 GFPP per molten core as melee DPS because of these packs. They are a life saver here
1:25 best strategy I've done in the past is to max range the disorient, hunters can max it and almost always have aggro when the melee get disoriented. Feign death when the hound is close and it goes back to tank. Unclear if it'll still work for classic servers though!
Ngl, I did Mc back in Vanilla lile 2006-7ish, but when you suggested that, I remembered thats what we did. Just gotta make sure someone like an offtank can bring the hound back to the main tank before he starts going after healers.
Back them I was a pally, so I mainly just spammed one heal button. Im sure the meta now is diff with all the data out, but I was pretty much a portable fire aura, BoK bic, and told to keep the judgement that restores mana on hit on the mobs at all times.
That was back then when you had to buff everyone individually, so literally every trash mob pull we had to refresh them lol.
And back then on Alliance only Dwarf priests had fear ward, so we wiped on the 2nd boss or whenever the Hellhound boss is, every might for like a month. Only other option was for Warrior to stance dance out of it, but it takes a few secs and the boss eats someone by then.
dont worry ahmpy knows what to do. he'll end up raid leading if you guys want to survive.
8:33 Chance spends 8 mins talking about what to do when you get resists to the disorientate, immediately skips over the part in the VOD where all tanks get disorentated, mage, who resists, gets agro, blocks, then priest (that we're watching) gets agro and dodges the attack... Painful to see the amount of clueless comments from chat
3 shamans and 4 warriors on a HC raid is insane lol wtf
true, no way i'm gettin in with this raid
it's classic. 55s in greens facerolled this. stop pretending this is difficult
@@HaVoKxii Exactly, its like pretending highschool math was hard or something, "cant do this without a calculator and a formula cheatsheet" lol.
@@HaVoKxii Nga they are people with zero experience on the game
I bet the real warchief Tyler won't have a problem clearing the raid with just 2 warlocks.
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cmon i was looking for a disaster ova here
Just looked like the tanks/warlocks weren't prepared and didn't pre-pop FAP so they got stunned on pull and had mobs run around.
Pretty easy fix.
Coming from a speedrunning perspective their comp is god awful, but even out of a casual perspective having the bare minimum of 4 warriors/offtanks is wild.
Pulling the mobs into the tunnel is weird, you put all into a cone, you normally pull the mobs towards lava side to prevent aoe onto the group while banishing one in the group, but that's also coming from a perspective that you have enough warrior to pick up loose mobs which is always gonna happen since they stun.
Wild calling salamandar scale " garbage loot"
imo the trash after garr up to Domo is where most deaths occur, the trash does nuts fire dmg and stuns. you one of those healers/dps who just wanna ignore stam over dps/hps stats will get destroyed everytime. or will need to be chugging GFPPs to survive. i guarentee that priest had 0 FR and was barely over 3k hp WITH fort buff.
Core hounds are simple; don't overcomplicate it. Tank and offtank: when the tank gets dazed or stunned, he loses aggro; have the offtank pick it up and face away from the raid. Don't dispel anything except the fire res debuff and the HP one (I think). If you want to be very safe, you have all your casters take max range talents so they outrange everything and have one of your off-tanks stand with the casters if you think it's needed.
Their tanks don't even seem to have their shields equiped half the time and I am scared to look up their specs.
But yes you are correct. MT/OT communicating.
the ele section is crazy dangerous for melee
This would never happen under the leadership of the supreme enlightened one Tyler the first.
Interesting how much more dangerous the trash is compared to the bosses
the raid leader calling the tank Karaage "Carriage" is hilarious
Funny how Fangsly is MC raiding long before OF
I get a lot of them are new, but this was painful to watch. It feels like no actual prep went into this at all besides setting a time and telling people to buy some GFPPs. MC trash packs should not be this difficult in 2025, even for newbies.
Newbies wont know about some of these things because they are *newbies* 😂 it was the job of the raid leader(s) to go over the important stuff before the raid though
@@Damaxyz I agree the raid leader should have said more, but there is no way I'm going into a raid on a hardcore server without researching everything in advance.
Warlocks should have known to banish without being told.
The raid leader is still mostly at fault, though. If that was me (I led raid guilds from 2005 until I quit playing in 2015), I wouldn't have pulled a single mob without the tanks and warlocks acknowledging their targets. I also would have reminded healers not to cast anything during LOS pulls.
I suspect everyone (including the raid leader) learned from this experience and will handle it better the next time they are in there.
You want content? Don't take ahmpy to the first raid. If you do bring him, and he doesn't RL that's like having bill belichick block on offense during the superbowl, instead of coach.
You want content? Take T1 and Ahmpy
Man that last healer to die. Tank didn't even pick up the skull (main) target. What were they doing..
Those raid leads were trash and the comp was terrible. Tanks were slow and unaware, warlocks don't know what their doing with banishes. Not taking things seriously at all.
Won't the new PVP trinkets break the core hound ability?
The trinket that removes fear? I forget if it cures other stuff like incapicitate and mind control stuff. If the disorient can be dispelled then it is prob considered one of those three.
PvP trinkets remove different CCs based on the assigned class .. some are combos of sleep/stun/disorientates .. some fear/poly/incap .. but it’s always in a combo of 3 and it varies between all the different types of CC in the game.
Soda is correct 4 seconds is a very long time to be disoriented people will die all the time in the instances from being one shot at what do you think the core hound can do in 4 seconds if multiple people resist
21:45 IIIIFFF you get there! Love to see it happen though.
Why doesn’t he just ask Ahmpy? 🤦♂️
will be funny to see how T1 kills the entire raid tanking the core hounds or the lava packs
He probably won't kill everyone. But every healer in raid should be ready their fresh characters at Brill.
I raided a good bit on Defias Pillager and had this absolute madman guild leader but no one died in his MC runs. 110% the blame of the raid leads for every death in this vid
are raidleads usually tanks cause im a tank and never done raiding before dont know how its gonna go
@@pagirios2285 Yes they usually are. As long as youre a good listener and follow instructions well, a heals/dps thats a good raidlead could def walk you through it
Locks with lukewarm IQs doesn't help either.
Yeah, a raid like this (with newer players) needs a more vocal raid leader. One that is detail oriented and constantly making sure people know their roles on every pull.
That last death could have been avoided by communicating that they were doing a LOS pull and for healers not to cast anything that will draw aggro. (A tank still should have grabbed that mob by then, though.)
i was expecting a wipe
why does the music need to be at 150% while he is at 100%
Sequishas guild now that hes gone thank god. Doubled cheating
Is this the guild they had the business meeting with?
If you get aggro on Core Hound you LIP + if needed Dummy, ideally one would have GFPP prepopped. That should buy enough time to for tank to get aggro again.
gfpp and fire resist gear is what you want
Ten seconds seems pretty long isn't it like five
tremors don't break disorient
Why are there people in their guild chat with -Doo at the end of their name ? And they’re spamming emotes in chat ?
Save your boons on HC incase you wipe lmao
watching the priest cast heal when the shaman's at 10% instead of just using PW:S hurts my soul, how are healers so fucking bad LMAO
that's not a disaster
Femboypaws here, it came down to a raid leading / explanation issue. Locks really shoulda been on point with the banishes asap, beyond that, getting people all on the same page with what the strategy was.
There's no way out of 40 people noone has never done MC on Hardcore before.
You oust yourself as the owner of that degenerate name?
@@xplicitmike it's a guild composed of fans of streamers, I wouldn't be surprised if 75% of them had never even reached level 60 before
just buy gfpps
20 gold vs 3 days played
the raid lead was doing fine up until that point. obviously if you have people dying to an unmitigated mistake, booting the dead silently and acting like it's raining should make you unsettled.
vibes are off hearth out
Raid lead issue forsure if ppl didnt have fire pots before pull my speedrun non hc guild would use them if u font 2 fire blossoms ur dead or fire blossom plus charge not banishing asap is also insane
Soda really knows his stuff!
I'm gay.
I would get to 60 before I call others names who are waiting to raid MC while you are not. Just basic respect. No offense meant.
tyler is dying first run for sure....
I would think it's common knowledge to have a full raid of GFPPs going when you reach Baron's hallway in the case you get double targeted by fire blossom on pull (Much more common than you see here even), full banishes (You better have 4 locks minimum for rocky boi anyways), and certain eles have to be faced away to avoid aiming their frontals on the raid.
Without that knowledge you have no business being here in HC.
Ys the healer not using elv ui!
All things considered… this went fairly well
Bruh, you guys can't even get to MC. Give them some love, stop looking petty.
I know you banish those and I havent run a MC since Vanilla,
you can predispel in classic, so healers dispell themselves and then get the tank.
Does Will of the forsaken stop Disoriente ?
no
Im NA's best healer, wonder if i got on this shit if id like it but to expensive.
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Non streamer guild raided mc before the streamer guild did lol
That actually makes sense. They're not streaming so they aren't worried about content or entertaining an audience so their attention is actually 100% on the game and leveling. They have no other priories or distractions.
Not RP walking definitely speeds things up a bit
@@smward87 Nah its because the streamers suck at wow.
@@user-kh7tg8my4n Well yeah but they suck because they all have ADHD that is exacerbated by the chat and donos and other nonsense. MMOs don't require any kind of skill just patience and attention which is where streamers fail.
@@smward87 must be why so many of them are blizcon champs
chat yapping about petri is so annoying and dumb... this is not a content guild like onlyfangs............
My god please someone donate some tissues to soda
Next hardcore run gotta be a no addon thing, addons have made the game trivial it seems
World of Warcraft has lost it's magic anyways. It's been too figured out.
This fangsly run was a pretty good demonstration of what a guild tackling a hard dungeon for the first time would look like. Server first clears would be more epic.
Vibes off
All those hours put in to be lost in due to no communication. F
Nothing is lost my man. They can just resurrect on a normal server.
Soda really showing his “experience” and “knowledge” in this one! 10/10 commentary only cringed about twice a minute
Yah he was tripping over eazy mode trash mobs rofl
"4 seconds is nothing"
Tell that to Soda's first character.
why are there no paladins|?
Need about another 10 warriors and more shamans.
Decursive yucky
how long do these characters even survive raiding? doubt you can clear Molten Core a couple of times and then not die after a while of raiding, it eventually happens
people have got full bis from naxx in hardcore so its absolutely doable if everyone knows what to do
@@WakeY97 damn that's seriously wild, but that's insanely rare I assume
Cant wait until Onlyfangs does MC, first attempt and last attempt for raiding as a guild hahahaha
locks banish, 4 ppl dead then they make time to explain after everyone is already scared. locks will banish banish now not ppl spamming the lock - banish in chat. just making it worse. . . for ppl that have never played.
This guy... beyond clueless its not even funny. Should stick to playing a meme druid
Jeeez and I wanted to resub to roll on onlyfangs server .. but I didn’t wanna just be excluded from endgame cuz I’m not a streamer lol so I was hoping there was a few ‘decent’ PvE guilds forming .. but ooof raiding with a setup like this is baad idea .. I get you don’t have ideal choosing seeing how no one ever reaches 60 lmao but they def shoulda came with more warriors .. their deeps is pretty low, and warriors are the most rolled class in HC I thought ? I unsubbed at the end of phase4 and Ngl I wouldn’t be surprised if they never make it to the end of naxx
imagine...the guild of people nobody watches...does th eraid before the "better guild" XD tragic
Damn
Not sister guild the simps who give yall everything cause the old men with no lives and live on the internet to serve you streamers
Honestly banishing is a lot more of a hazard than just facing the lava elementals away.. Like the positioning on those trash mob pulls was monka
You obviously have no clue how they work
@MsAAAAAA222 the same as they always have worked bro 20 year old game. Just the dad guilds have a hard time with it. Face the lava elementals away and only the tank gets stunned by himself
@MsAAAAAA222 the problem with banishing is that they immediately use their frontal cone as they come out of it and stuns the raid.
@@Taranconalex the only mobs that need to be banished are the surgers n fire blossom boys u obviously have no clue how mc works
If you're raiding with a guy with femboy in his name you should know what to expect
Imagine being horde and complaining alliance has it better
paladins are goated for pve
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has done 2 clears of MC full with 0 deaths just sayin
They have a very experienced hardcore raid leader as well. You're comparing apples to oranges here.
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healer not using mouseover macros/ heal addon is griefing
Just use addons lmao, just use them, nah dont get good just add mods.
@@ThyNyarlathotepback in my day, half the raid didnt have DBM, and We communicated on a Ventrilo server that was worse than old CoD in game audio
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thats a bit much innit
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Doesn't zerker rage make you immune? Can't remember.
That would be fear and incaps, not disorients.
Will be funny see onlyfangs wiping on magmadar... Calling Petri
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Hes is just pathetic... Nö one ever die on a corehound .. It doestn reset the aggro ... Dude
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