@bobby215 Very glad to know. The war against the Chinese is long over, but it still linger in our blood because our ancestors went through hardship and a long trail of bloody migration. We were mistreated for thousands of years, this is why many of us are still very angry, yet, we must learn to move on and be proud of our culture.
@yellowladee Be proud of your heritage. Grandmother's paths and Grandfather's ways. They've shed blood and tear to preserve our culture. Knowing your root, you will no longer yearn to be accepted by others. Be yourself and be proud.
In regards to the Miao who completely assimilated into the Han culture, I believe I had encountered some of them while touring China a couple years ago. On many occasions in different cities, I had come across someone who looks just like a Hmong/Miao guy in every which way, but he's Han. It's possible that these are the Miao who became Han thousands of years ago. People can transform in many ways, but their personal trait will remain. However, the Miao & the Han should be brothers & sisters.
@blueberrysmilie1 I'm glad to know blueberrysmilie1. No more wondering and lingering. No more praising other cultures and no more belittling your own culture. Knowing who you are heal that inner pain of trying to discover yourself. Many used Txiv Yawg as a god of war to protect themselves because he was once a very very powerful leader. Thank you.
its good to learn about our history. it is a dying culture. i try to understand as much but i still dont quite get the beginging. but we been thru alot. keep it a live so we can pass it on to the next generations.
Wow from the past we Hmong/Miao been through a lot...still until today we still could not love one other...I guess we Hmong/Miao people r forever never in peace...but I still love my hmong/Miao people a lot and from the songs I hear day by day "hope that we people one day, get a long"...
Thanks very much for this video. This is a plain way of history telling, yet very easy to understand. It's really helpful for those who haven't known about our history.
survival is the most important and we hmong have survived through out the world...i love my hmong people but sometimes i love to hate them too...more uninity and more love people...be proud of being hmong at least one time a day then one day we all will stand tall and proud again
Hmong miao are some of the.most amazing people on. I love you Hmong people . We must love our kind , why do you think we are here in the u.s . Lets love our kind so we can search our roots and culture. We are strong ,sometimes too strong thats why we kill each other. Lets break this curse my Hmong Miao people.
@exopheric Txiv Yawg (Chiyou) is one of the most important figure in the Hmong culture. His name is recited in funeral song. Txiv Yawg yog Hmoob li tug. Simple as that.
I came across your video from viewing so many ancient "HMONG" writing and im so confused because there were so many different type, but your video makes alot of sense. I am not hmong but your video help me understand the history of hmongs. thanks.
knowing more makes me that much prouder of who i am, knowing about who my ancestors were....i no longer linger as a person with unknown roots. In one documentry a guy said Tvix Yawg was a war god - haha. x)
Amazing history. I've always interest into my people's history but could only go so much to the Vietnam era. This really help. Do you by any chance know who's the proper source to contact if I were to make a trip to China to do a little research? I would like to include our ancient history as an introductory to my in-progress documentary.
Niamtxiv, Dr. PobZeb did not aware about Hmong and Mong. He was still young. Mostly Green Hmong always like the word Mong more than White Hmong does.. White Hmong does not prefer the word" Mong" but it's okay for us" Mong and Hmong". We are the same families and we live side by side in the past and will contunue to live together for future to come. Thanks for your ideas..
LOL I'm surprise you got the brief history correct. My brother and I have been there 6 times so far. Luckily my brother can speak extremely good Mogolian, Mandarin, and Cantonese that even the Chinese think he's a native Chinese. He's doing his own report for Oxford University and plans to do a separate but in dept report for the Hmong Cultural Centers. They even issued us 2 bodyguards when we go there like we actually gonna need them, LOL.
I agree with you my friend 97tomv. In the 90s, I read one Chinese history book, It described the Donyi and Juili used to live in the Houang Ho " Yellow River areas.around 246-206 BC. They were defeat by Houang Ti and were push down south to Yantze River areas. You can look for this book, The Peasants" in the LIbrary.
Because of Chiyou's and Miao's power to transform human into different form of things while in combat enemies. That's very best skills of all time in mankind's history that nothing in this world can. I pray for him and Godblass Chiyou and his offsprings.We lost the war but our history is alive. Human's transformation like our Great Grand Chiyou.was and Our San Miao reigned was so popular.. We had less populations to defend our land that it.. We are proud to be Chiyou's offsprings, "Miao/Hmong".
The war against the Chinese still lingers in our blood....that is why we Hmong people never know how to give up....we will never surrender to other races. Proud to have 100% Hmong blood in me.
Please remember these words " when chinese people come to Hmong village for trade, chinese often refer the Hmong as "kwv tij" or brother. I talked to one chinese scholar while travel to china and he told me that the Miao and Chinese were more likely dencedent from one ancestor. Chinese or Han was the older son and Miao or Hmong was the second son. B/c of jealousy of many things in life and want to be the next kin leader they have to fight so this devide us as enemy through history.
Some of the Jiuli people went to Japan in 175 BC from Jiangsu and help started the Japanese state. They were fleeing from persecution by the Dowager Emperess of Han. They were led by Hong Yi, a prince of Wu, who was a descendant of Duke Tai of Zhou. He was the ancestor of Jimmu Tenno, first Japanese emperor. The Jiuli included both Hmong and Mons. The Mons who remained near the Yangtze delta later went to Myanmar. Many Jiuli also moved south and became the Hmong-Mien.
niamtxiv, would you happen to know what the name of the second song is? I've been looking for it for a long time. Please help out. Thanks. Nice vid post by the way.
My friend, Do not be disappointed by the name" Miao" given by the Chinese. We can not deny that It is their only word that describe us who we are. We Hmong people does not prefer to call the Chinese" Han" but the only word that we could name them is " Suav". we all understand who they are.We do not have any other word to indentify who they are either. So let it be the way it was. No more argue about it..
Thanks for your comment. Yes, they are just different transliterations for the same people. "Mong" history exists very early in China. Some of our people decided to use “Hmong” after they supported the French to control our people in Southeast Asia. Many newer generations are promoting that they are Miao origin and not Mong. I find it very troubling especially those who are professors and educators. They need to study Mong history as well as Miao.
Dear friends, Hmong and Mong are the same people but the green Hmong prefers the Mong word because that sounds stronger for their vocal. The Hmong sounds softer for the White Hmong.That's it. We,White Hmong and Green Hmong are coming from the same ancestors. We call the Green Hmong," Hmoob Laug" We, White Hmong, " Hmoob Tshiab" which means we changed our clothings style from theirs somewhere in China period that's all. Why? Base on "Yawm Laj Lwg & Puj Trhwv Mim " is an evident for us to judge.
Hi Hmong people. I'm Vietnamese and I think that Hmong people is the first people who were lost the the territory to the Han chinese. According to your history, your ancestor living in Southward of the Yellow River, while according to Yue history, our ancestor living southward of Yangtze river. So your homeland is the land between the 2 rivers.
Niamtxiv, what are your thoughts about Chiyou and Yandi being the same person. Many Chinese say they are the same. Both are Ox totem. If not then they could be like the Vang and Lor. Both are Hmong but on different side of the struggle. Yandi is credited with being the father of rice cultivation and the Hmong are the people whom farmed rice. I also came across a theory that the Huns are the SanMiao who were forced to the Northwest. I'm curious as what happen to that group of Hmong.
Awsome. Not sure if she's the same person I met in St. Paul during one of my research trips to the midwest. She was at Yuepheng's store where I met her.
@niamtxiv Hey dude so do u know how to recite these funeral songs? It be cool if you could pass them along to the younger generations so it doesn't end up as history just like this. Great job on the vid. The statue of Ci You is a great symbol. He is powerful, proud, and demands respect. And screw you for the second music. That music and the pics makes me think of all the stuff that they have gone through, yet still proud and it makes my heart cries. These are not tears of grief but pride.
Dear friend, it is not bad at all. One will be used in the future when we understand one another and reunite. We will vote for one that is useful and meaningful. You can choose the one that benefit you and your people. My self, I chose Pha Hauj to be mine written Language because it is short word and simple. Less alphabet but make more sense and fast writing.,less paper but contains more words. Pha Hauj contains number, months, day of the week, weekend, Times, symbols, Century, and more...
The Hmong that Li Ci led to the Far North (Manchuria), were not lost, but became a new people with a new language. But still the name remained. The northern Hmong mixed with Tungusics and became the MONGOLS, the toughest Hmongs of them all!
Look at White Hmong DNA. Its on the internet. They have the most Northern DNA than all Hmong/Miao groups. It means they are the oldest of all the Hmong groups. The DNA colloborate that Hmong and Miao are the same.
@54markl The Northeast groups consisted of Xienbi, Khitans, and Jurchen(Manchu) plus many of other smaller groups. The Menge(Mongols) were a small group in the North with the Tartars and Turks. The Mongols were a mixed of Turks and Tartars under Menge rule. Genghis changed their name to Mongols after he conqered the North. The Mongols link to the Hmong are thd 3Miao sent to Gansu who mixed with the Di and became the Huns who were the ancestors of the Turks, Tartars, & Menge.
@chongxin67 Yes, many Miao people still live in poverty and are the poorest of all ethnic groups. Our holidays, our clothes, our beautiful ways are to ease our suffering.
One thing that I want our people to remember...Miao/Hmong are the same people. B/c of the war...some become asimilated to the chines/han culture and some's language have been changed with neighbor so now our language are far different from one another. Even the "Qeej" are using for different purpose. Those Hmong in Sourther China still keep their traditional way of life like those us in Laos. Those in Kuav Naj called themselves Hmong Dawb and speak the same as us. Chinese call them Hmong Qus.
@Hmong Myth Huaxia were the Xiyi while Hmong were the Dongyi. Huangdi was not a Yi but a Di. There is confusion between Chiyou and Yandi. Some say Chiyou was a Yandi descendant.
@kubheev If you look at Chinese history, the original people of China were the Dongyi whom the Hmong/Miao are a part of. The current Han are a mixed of Donyi and Huaxia. The Hmong refused to accept Huaxia. The Miao(meaning descendent) name was given to the Hmong. Due to the terrible economic conditions of the Hmong, the Miao name acquired a bad connotation
well i guess that explains why my parents and grandparents luv to farm or have a garden and so good at it..always talk about farming, having a garden.....like they say self sustaining...why waste money a whoelfoods when you can have your own real organic foods...screw wholefoods.....as kids we ate alot of cucumbers and dang it was good...
Miao and Hmong and Mong are the same,. We should understand the past history and today we realize the Han chinese and hmong as miao and other ethnic groups in china are the same mixed blood as human being. We live together and We should love each others from now on.
Exactly, Serfius666 does not know the difference between Dongyi and Man. The Man culture is highly different from the Miao culture. When you learn and study about the Dongyi culture, you will realized that many Hmong culture coincide with the Dongyi culture. Man were originally referred to the strong Yi people who created vast civilizations in far southwestern China. The Yi people were Man. Even the Hmong use the name Mab (Man) to refer to the Yi.
you must have not taken any anthro courses. Hmong is not a dominant group like the united Chinese. Hmong is only a very very very small branch of the Miao people whom language is 40% Mandarin, whom culture is highly influenced by various ethnic tribes, thus still maintaining this Miao identity that is found in all Miao groups. In regard to Chiyou, Chiyou's ethnicity is irrelevant. As Hmong, we are not pure. For any Hmong to claim pure is a fairy tale. I am Hmong and proud to be Miao.
@54markl The Huns and Tibetans are speculated to be 3Miao because the 3Miao were the most further out group of all the Asian groups in the West acting as a buffer against attacks. Another name ancient Chinese used for the 3Miao was Qiang. Chu's real name was Qiang Chu.
Your idol Dr. Pob Zeb said it clearly that Mong are not Hmong. If you want to be Mongolian, Mon and Muong people so much, go ahead. I am Hmong, I am Miao and proud to be. Chiyou is mentioned among my family long before I've read about him. Mong nationalists are funny and silly. Spreading fake history, spreading bogus and spreading lies that all Miao groups originated from the Mong Leeg. Stop confusing yourself. Hmoob Lees and Hmoob Ntsuab are not even the same group. lol
@niamtxiv, quite unfortunately, anger has not done us any good. Those who live off anger will perish by anger. Great aspirations must be met with corresponding competitiveness. Here, we have failed miserably.
Ohh hey handsome, no wonder why we haven't heard from you all this time. Good to finally hear from u again. I take it you're still good with your friends? I'll send you all our info AGAIN lol and will tell my brother what you said. humm I'll just email ya
@Serfius666 From your writings, it seem you don't know the difference between Dongyi and Man. Dongyi means people from the East. Man means people from the South. They are not the same. The Hmong fled the Yellow River down to the Yangtze and were grouped with the Man. The term Man did not come into use until about the Zhou Dynasty. The Dongyi were the largest group in ancient China covering the Yellow River down to the Yangtze River.
Hmong people are not a united group as we all like to believe... we are extremely diverse even in language, traditions, origin stories, clothes and so forth. For any Hmong scholars or historians to make any statement that Hmong culture and history is set... is out of his or her mind.. as we all know... Hmong itself belong in both Chinese history to non-Chinese history and we all came from different backgrounds.
Many of our people who were grouped into Miaozu and are acknowledging the name Miao but most are claiming to be Mong origin and not Miao. Those who live east to the Southern Great Wall lost the name Mong because Ming government prohibited Mong name and culture. That is the reason that the name name Mong is not recognized on the east side of the S GreatWall (mainly Hunan). Yet, many still retain the traditional baggy pant culture from the north during culture shows.
Niamtxiv is so shy to reveal himself because he may not be real Hmong that's why hekept that name. So leave him alone. We will later findout who he was. Just follow his works. Someday, he may turn up to be a good friend of us. Thanks
There are so many branches of Western Miao aka Hmong who spoke extremely unintelligible dialects to Hmoob Dawb and Hmoob Ntsuab. There are Miao who call themselves Ho Mong, Gho Mong, Gha Mu, Hmao, Hmio, and the list goes on and on..... for you Mong Nationalists to make this fairy tale that Mong has been used for thousands of years is beyond words. For Mong Nationalists to make claims that our ancestors called themselves MONG and only MONG for thousands of years... you can't fool me.
@hewarm see, here is the thing about you, you think you can come here and try to belittle me and my culture. Huangdi never existed. Xia dynasty never existed... =) Huaxia never existed.... Yao Shun and Yu never existed. =) Who do you think you are?
This info was by a Miao historian from Guizhou name Zhang Xiao. She did this research. She came to the United States to work with the Hmong.
Thank you for sharing this amazing history with us. I'm proud to be Hmong.
@bobby215
Very glad to know. The war against the Chinese is long over, but it still linger in our blood because our ancestors went through hardship and a long trail of bloody migration. We were mistreated for thousands of years, this is why many of us are still very angry, yet, we must learn to move on and be proud of our culture.
@ommiub
You're welcome. Thank for coming by. Hmong history is very complex and complicated. Very long. There are lots to learn.
thanks for sharing the Hmong great history.
@yellowladee
Be proud of your heritage. Grandmother's paths and Grandfather's ways. They've shed blood and tear to preserve our culture. Knowing your root, you will no longer yearn to be accepted by others. Be yourself and be proud.
In regards to the Miao who completely assimilated into the Han culture, I believe I had encountered some of them while touring China a couple years ago. On many occasions in different cities, I had come across someone who looks just like a Hmong/Miao guy in every which way, but he's Han. It's possible that these are the Miao who became Han thousands of years ago. People can transform in many ways, but their personal trait will remain. However, the Miao & the Han should be brothers & sisters.
good portion of chinese is hmong annual spring gala festival looks like something hmong would do
The han kill the Hmong man and leave the woman to reproduce with the han DNA. So do be surprised if you see han look like Hmong.
Even Han themselves said there're no pure Han anymore, everyone is mixed.
Thank you cery sincerely to Tshav- Ntuj Kav-nrig & ZHANG Xiao of QDN(GZ) for this precoious Piece of our history ! Paris,Fr (25/07/18)
Oh, thank you very much Mrs ZHANG Xiao !. I love your studies ! Paris,Fr( Su.21July 2019)
@blueberrysmilie1
I'm glad to know blueberrysmilie1. No more wondering and lingering. No more praising other cultures and no more belittling your own culture. Knowing who you are heal that inner pain of trying to discover yourself. Many used Txiv Yawg as a god of war to protect themselves because he was once a very very powerful leader. Thank you.
its good to learn about our history. it is a dying culture.
i try to understand as much but i still dont quite get the beginging.
but we been thru alot. keep it a live so we can pass it on to the next generations.
Wow from the past we Hmong/Miao been through a lot...still until today we still could not love one other...I guess we Hmong/Miao people r forever never in peace...but I still love my hmong/Miao people a lot and from the songs I hear day by day "hope that we people one day, get a long"...
Thanks very much for this video. This is a plain way of history telling, yet very easy to understand.
It's really helpful for those who haven't known about our history.
survival is the most important and we hmong have survived through out the world...i love my hmong people but sometimes i love to hate them too...more uninity and more love people...be proud of being hmong at least one time a day then one day we all will stand tall and proud again
I am so happy that I have learned so much today.
Hmong miao are some of the.most amazing people on. I love you Hmong people . We must love our kind , why do you think we are here in the u.s . Lets love our kind so we can search our roots and culture. We are strong ,sometimes too strong thats why we kill each other. Lets break this curse my Hmong Miao people.
@exopheric
Txiv Yawg (Chiyou) is one of the most important figure in the Hmong culture. His name is recited in funeral song. Txiv Yawg yog Hmoob li tug. Simple as that.
I'm a researcher. lol good luck. That's exciting...Thumb ups!!!
I am proud...i just wish more of the younger generation felt the same too!
I came across your video from viewing so many ancient "HMONG" writing and im so confused because there were so many different type, but your video makes alot of sense. I am not hmong but your video help me understand the history of hmongs. thanks.
knowing more makes me that much prouder of who i am, knowing about who my ancestors were....i no longer linger as a person with unknown roots. In one documentry a guy said Tvix Yawg was a war god - haha. x)
Thank you sincerely, Mrs ZHANG Xiao (QDN) !.Wish you all the best ! Paris(21/07/19)
Amazing history. I've always interest into my people's history but could only go so much to the Vietnam era. This really help. Do you by any chance know who's the proper source to contact if I were to make a trip to China to do a little research? I would like to include our ancient history as an introductory to my in-progress documentary.
Niamtxiv, Dr. PobZeb did not aware about Hmong and Mong. He was still young. Mostly Green Hmong always like the word Mong more than White Hmong does.. White Hmong does not prefer the word" Mong" but it's okay for us" Mong and Hmong". We are the same families and we live side by side in the past and will contunue to live together for future to come. Thanks for your ideas..
LOL I'm surprise you got the brief history correct. My brother and I have been there 6 times so far. Luckily my brother can speak extremely good Mogolian, Mandarin, and Cantonese that even the Chinese think he's a native Chinese. He's doing his own report for Oxford University and plans to do a separate but in dept report for the Hmong Cultural Centers. They even issued us 2 bodyguards when we go there like we actually gonna need them, LOL.
Where can I find the first song with Hmong lyrics? Been looking for it for a long time and could never find it
I agree with you my friend 97tomv. In the 90s, I read one Chinese history book, It described the Donyi and Juili used to live in the Houang Ho " Yellow River areas.around 246-206 BC. They were defeat by Houang Ti and were push down south to Yantze River areas. You can look for this book, The Peasants" in the LIbrary.
I am a big fan of Txiv Yawg. Where is the statue of Txiv Yawg located in China? (The one towards the end of your video?
Thanks.
Because of Chiyou's and Miao's power to transform human into different form of things while in combat enemies. That's very best skills of all time in mankind's history that nothing in this world can. I pray for him and Godblass Chiyou and his offsprings.We lost the war but our history is alive. Human's transformation like our Great Grand Chiyou.was and Our San Miao reigned was so popular.. We had less populations to defend our land that it.. We are proud to be Chiyou's offsprings, "Miao/Hmong".
The war against the Chinese still lingers in our blood....that is why we Hmong people never know how to give up....we will never surrender to other races. Proud to have 100% Hmong blood in me.
Please remember these words " when chinese people come to Hmong village for trade, chinese often refer the Hmong as "kwv tij" or brother. I talked to one chinese scholar while travel to china and he told me that the Miao and Chinese were more likely dencedent from one ancestor. Chinese or Han was the older son and Miao or Hmong was the second son. B/c of jealousy of many things in life and want to be the next kin leader they have to fight so this devide us as enemy through history.
Love learning about Hmong history
Wow. This was beautiful and educational. Thank you
Some of the Jiuli people went to Japan in 175 BC from Jiangsu and help started the Japanese state. They were fleeing from persecution by the Dowager Emperess of Han. They were led by Hong Yi, a prince of Wu, who was a descendant of Duke Tai of Zhou. He was the ancestor of Jimmu Tenno, first Japanese emperor. The Jiuli included both Hmong and Mons. The Mons who remained near the Yangtze delta later went to Myanmar. Many Jiuli also moved south and became the Hmong-Mien.
niamtxiv, would you happen to know what the name of the second song is? I've been looking for it for a long time. Please help out. Thanks. Nice vid post by the way.
My friend, Do not be disappointed by the name" Miao" given by the Chinese. We can not deny that It is their only word that describe us who we are. We Hmong people does not prefer to call the Chinese" Han" but the only word that we could name them is " Suav". we all understand who they are.We do not have any other word to indentify who they are either. So let it be the way it was. No more argue about it..
What is this song called? And yes.. Finally, I found this video again. Thank you
@BAIYUE1
The first song is a Hmong song from China. It's called "You are like a flower." hehe thanks.
Thanks for your comment. Yes, they are just different transliterations for the same people. "Mong" history exists very early in China. Some of our people decided to use “Hmong” after they supported the French to control our people in Southeast Asia. Many newer generations are promoting that they are Miao origin and not Mong. I find it very troubling especially those who are professors and educators. They need to study Mong history as well as Miao.
Thank you, I will surely visit it someday.
What's the secong instrumental? It's pretty awesome.
Dear friends, Hmong and Mong are the same people but the green Hmong prefers the Mong word because that sounds stronger for their vocal. The Hmong sounds softer for the White Hmong.That's it. We,White Hmong and Green Hmong are coming from the same ancestors. We call the Green Hmong," Hmoob Laug" We, White Hmong, " Hmoob Tshiab" which means we changed our clothings style from theirs somewhere in China period that's all. Why? Base on "Yawm Laj Lwg & Puj Trhwv Mim " is an evident for us to judge.
wow, very interesting.. do you know if there's any actual book or records I can check out?
Hello My bother ,
Thank you for sharing the information. I am looking forward to meet you someday .
I love my Hmon/miao People .
Hi Hmong people. I'm Vietnamese and I think that Hmong people is the first people who were lost the the territory to the Han chinese.
According to your history, your ancestor living in Southward of the Yellow River, while according to Yue history, our ancestor living southward of Yangtze river.
So your homeland is the land between the 2 rivers.
thank you for you r wonderful words. :-)
this makes me really said and wish that when i call myself hmong i knew what my history came from. sniff...thank you!
@XiangMian
Yes, there are Miao/Hmong who are completely assimilated into the Han culture.
Niamtxiv, what are your thoughts about Chiyou and Yandi being the same person. Many Chinese say they are the same. Both are Ox totem. If not then they could be like the Vang and Lor. Both are Hmong but on different side of the struggle. Yandi is credited with being the father of rice cultivation and the Hmong are the people whom farmed rice.
I also came across a theory that the Huns are the SanMiao who were forced to the Northwest. I'm curious as what happen to that group of Hmong.
Awsome. Not sure if she's the same person I met in St. Paul during one of my research trips to the midwest. She was at Yuepheng's store where I met her.
for people looking for the second song playing in this video. type this name ''Reincarnated Sub Song (1978).mp4'' on youtube.
@niamtxiv Hey dude so do u know how to recite these funeral songs? It be cool if you could pass them along to the younger generations so it doesn't end up as history just like this. Great job on the vid. The statue of Ci You is a great symbol. He is powerful, proud, and demands respect. And screw you for the second music. That music and the pics makes me think of all the stuff that they have gone through, yet still proud and it makes my heart cries. These are not tears of grief but pride.
Dear friend, it is not bad at all. One will be used in the future when we understand one another and reunite. We will vote for one that is useful and meaningful. You can choose the one that benefit you and your people. My self, I chose Pha Hauj to be mine written Language because it is short word and simple. Less alphabet but make more sense and fast writing.,less paper but contains more words. Pha Hauj contains number, months, day of the week, weekend, Times, symbols, Century, and more...
The Hmong that Li Ci led to the Far North (Manchuria), were not lost, but became a new people with a new language. But still the name remained. The northern Hmong mixed with Tungusics and became the MONGOLS, the toughest Hmongs of them all!
whats the title for the second song?
Look at White Hmong DNA. Its on the internet. They have the most Northern DNA than all Hmong/Miao groups. It means they are the oldest of all the Hmong groups. The DNA colloborate that Hmong and Miao are the same.
@54markl The Northeast groups consisted of Xienbi, Khitans, and Jurchen(Manchu) plus many of other smaller groups. The Menge(Mongols) were a small group in the North with the Tartars and Turks. The Mongols were a mixed of Turks and Tartars under Menge rule. Genghis changed their name to Mongols after he conqered the North. The Mongols link to the Hmong are thd 3Miao sent to Gansu who mixed with the Di and became the Huns who were the ancestors of the Turks, Tartars, & Menge.
@chongxin67
Yes, many Miao people still live in poverty and are the poorest of all ethnic groups. Our holidays, our clothes, our beautiful ways are to ease our suffering.
One thing that I want our people to remember...Miao/Hmong are the same people. B/c of the war...some become asimilated to the chines/han culture and some's language have been changed with neighbor so now our language are far different from one another. Even the "Qeej" are using for different purpose. Those Hmong in Sourther China still keep their traditional way of life like those us in Laos. Those in Kuav Naj called themselves Hmong Dawb and speak the same as us. Chinese call them Hmong Qus.
@Hmong Myth Huaxia were the Xiyi while Hmong were the Dongyi. Huangdi was not a Yi but a Di. There is confusion between Chiyou and Yandi. Some say Chiyou was a Yandi descendant.
@civwjlo
I believe the statue is located in Hubei, from Sanzu Hall, temple of China's three ancestors or forefathers.
@kubheev If you look at Chinese history, the original people of China were the Dongyi whom the Hmong/Miao are a part of. The current Han are a mixed of Donyi and Huaxia. The Hmong refused to accept Huaxia. The Miao(meaning descendent) name was given to the Hmong. Due to the terrible economic conditions of the Hmong, the Miao name acquired a bad connotation
A lot of ya been requesting for the 2nd song..here it is. Sound of Buddha
th-cam.com/video/e_vyyc5MirY/w-d-xo.html
thanks to the niam txiv share the vdo with every one.
thank you for the documentary but don't untersand why hmong-miao have 2 languages ?
whats the name of the second instrumental song?
well i guess that explains why my parents and grandparents luv to farm or have a garden and so good at it..always talk about farming, having a garden.....like they say self sustaining...why waste money a whoelfoods when you can have your own real organic foods...screw wholefoods.....as kids we ate alot of cucumbers and dang it was good...
@2015ww3
Txiv Yawg does mean grandfather in the Hmong language. lol
what the name of this second song of this video
@laomoua14
Amen. Who the heck dislike our history?
I learned Chinese in High School and I didn't know about this stuff but now thinking ofit I think it is my fate to reunite the Hmong/Miao all overt th
@Serfius666 You must be confused. How can Chiyou be an enemy of the Hmong when he is Hmong?
Yes we are hmong thank you
Miao and Hmong and Mong are the same,. We should understand the past history and today we realize the Han chinese and hmong as miao and other ethnic groups in china are the same mixed blood as human being. We live together and We should love each others from now on.
Exactly, Serfius666 does not know the difference between Dongyi and Man. The Man culture is highly different from the Miao culture. When you learn and study about the Dongyi culture, you will realized that many Hmong culture coincide with the Dongyi culture. Man were originally referred to the strong Yi people who created vast civilizations in far southwestern China. The Yi people were Man. Even the Hmong use the name Mab (Man) to refer to the Yi.
you must have not taken any anthro courses. Hmong is not a dominant group like the united Chinese. Hmong is only a very very very small branch of the Miao people whom language is 40% Mandarin, whom culture is highly influenced by various ethnic tribes, thus still maintaining this Miao identity that is found in all Miao groups. In regard to Chiyou, Chiyou's ethnicity is irrelevant. As Hmong, we are not pure. For any Hmong to claim pure is a fairy tale. I am Hmong and proud to be Miao.
@blueberrysmilie1 I am so happy too after watching this video. Something inside me just keeps telling me to smile and I feel like wowowowow.
@54markl The Huns and Tibetans are speculated to be 3Miao because the 3Miao were the most further out group of all the Asian groups in the West acting as a buffer against attacks. Another name ancient Chinese used for the 3Miao was Qiang. Chu's real name was Qiang Chu.
Your idol Dr. Pob Zeb said it clearly that Mong are not Hmong. If you want to be Mongolian, Mon and Muong people so much, go ahead. I am Hmong, I am Miao and proud to be. Chiyou is mentioned among my family long before I've read about him. Mong nationalists are funny and silly. Spreading fake history, spreading bogus and spreading lies that all Miao groups originated from the Mong Leeg. Stop confusing yourself. Hmoob Lees and Hmoob Ntsuab are not even the same group. lol
does someone known the legend of chiyu was born of the years?
As for Mong/Hmong Leng(Hmong Yunan), they are more recent split from Hmong. They have more O2(Southern DNA) than O3 (Northern DNA).
I have crowned the title of "Chiyou" about six months ago after the birth of my first Grandson. Hahahaha!
@niamtxiv, quite unfortunately, anger has not done us any good. Those who live off anger will perish by anger. Great aspirations must be met with corresponding competitiveness. Here, we have failed miserably.
Ohh hey handsome, no wonder why we haven't heard from you all this time. Good to finally hear from u again. I take it you're still good with your friends? I'll send you all our info AGAIN lol and will tell my brother what you said. humm I'll just email ya
@Serfius666 From your writings, it seem you don't know the difference between Dongyi and Man. Dongyi means people from the East. Man means people from the South. They are not the same. The Hmong fled the Yellow River down to the Yangtze and were grouped with the Man. The term Man did not come into use until about the Zhou Dynasty. The Dongyi were the largest group in ancient China covering the Yellow River down to the Yangtze River.
Hmong people are not a united group as we all like to believe... we are extremely diverse even in language, traditions, origin stories, clothes and so forth. For any Hmong scholars or historians to make any statement that Hmong culture and history is set... is out of his or her mind.. as we all know... Hmong itself belong in both Chinese history to non-Chinese history and we all came from different backgrounds.
who da fak dislikes our Miao History?!!!!!!!?
You because you're Laotian 😅😂 jk
The victor write the history and the loser becomes its villain..
Insearchofhmong nice job " niphi
Many of our people who were grouped into Miaozu and are acknowledging the name Miao but most are claiming to be Mong origin and not Miao. Those who live east to the Southern Great Wall lost the name Mong because Ming government prohibited Mong name and culture. That is the reason that the name name Mong is not recognized on the east side of the S GreatWall (mainly Hunan). Yet, many still retain the traditional baggy pant culture from the north during culture shows.
The Japanese call Hong Yi by the name of Ninigi.
Niamtxiv is so shy to reveal himself because he may not be real Hmong that's why hekept that name. So leave him alone. We will later findout who he was. Just follow his works. Someday, he may turn up to be a good friend of us. Thanks
There are so many branches of Western Miao aka Hmong who spoke extremely unintelligible dialects to Hmoob Dawb and Hmoob Ntsuab. There are Miao who call themselves Ho Mong, Gho Mong, Gha Mu, Hmao, Hmio, and the list goes on and on..... for you Mong Nationalists to make this fairy tale that Mong has been used for thousands of years is beyond words. For Mong Nationalists to make claims that our ancestors called themselves MONG and only MONG for thousands of years... you can't fool me.
What are you saying? Don't twist it around. It was the Mong who claim themselves not as Hmong.
@hewarm
see, here is the thing about you, you think you can come here and try to belittle me and my culture. Huangdi never existed. Xia dynasty never existed... =) Huaxia never existed.... Yao Shun and Yu never existed. =) Who do you think you are?
did you know that koreans claim that Txiv Yawg (chiyou) is their leader/ancestor....so unbelievable.
Sorry but the word niphilim is the earliest word for God, but not just God it literally mean Gods.
I don't see us as Miao. That was a derogatory term given to the Hmong people by the Han. Of course the Hmong would later stick to it though.
But you stick to your Han surname Lee? Ok. Lol
@hewarm
yes you do. Idiot is what I expected from you. :)
@A Mong Talk about deleting??? You're the one deleting my comments on both of your channels and then blocking my comments. Funny...