Cracks me up, these companies put themselves in these huge iconic buildings then get all jumpy when people take pictures of them. If you're that worried move to an industrial estate in Luton.
haha yes my thoughts precisely. "Hey guys, lets rent offices in the tallest tower block in Europe. WTF PEOPLE ARE TAKING PHOTOS OF OUR OFFICES!!!!" - corporate logic.
Jimmy Robertson There's a video of a crew doing this in NYC of a building the entire front of which for an entire block long, two stories high, is glass. The security guys were wetting their knickers because someone was "filming INTO "their" building". If the building's contents are that damned sensitive, why is the entire front made of transparent material?
Yes I totally agree with you my friend, there is a small percentage of good coppers out there these good coppers need to set a good example to the corrupt police officers that just go on and try and get you nicked for something completely unrelated to the original "crime" just because they've just been schooled and learnt that you was actually not committing any offence and with that feel they've lost face and had their authority challenged but rather than learn from their mistakes like the rest of us civilians have to do they come up with some bogus charge just so to stamp their authority all over us and breach our Human Rights!
*SOME* do. Definitely not all. Sure would be nice to have THOSE individuals teaching the incoming ones though. What a difference we'd see in a year, two, five!!
So you notice something here. The private security have no idea what they're talking about and try to intimidate people away. The actual Police understood the laws and dealt with it correctly in this video.
I am a videojournalist in the states. I'm glad you posted your encounters with these "security" personnel. This happens on my job all the time. When I am in that situation, I always suggest they call the police as to get a lesson on public spaces.
First, let me just say that I am an American. With that in mind, I absolutely love every police officer in this video. They all knew the law and upheld it in a calm and professional manner. That, my friends, is law enforcement. It's so rare in America to find any cop willing to do this. I fear American police.
First, Thankyou for your observations. Of course we have some police who do not always act professionally but I would say that cops here are trained to de-escalate situations. When I watch yet videos of US cops it is frightening. All too often they launch overwhelming force when it is not called for. Of course there are plenty of decent cops in America but I have to say their image here is very badly tarnished because of so many cases of brutality and shooting. The US police all too often look militarised which is very sad. US cops could learn a lot from UK police. In this video the cops listen to both sides, they know the rules and enforce the law properly.
Robert Taylor The UK is always a few years behind you on things. Yes we have some nice cops but damn we have many bad once as well. although not as bad as yours. The UK has gone a bit paranoid since 7/7 same as the USA with 9/11. when security and even cops as iv seen them try to tell you that you have no right to film in a public place then they are liars or idiots that do not know the law. We have just as many people here telling the public they cant do this and that now since 7/7, they will be using 7/7 as a reason you cant do things in the year 3015 I think. like chill people not everyone is a terrorist. I mean damn its London lol many people take pictures there. lets make a nice massive building then worry if people take pics of it,
Not every photography is confidant when intimidated by security appearing to act in a bullying manner. the hardest bit is being made to feel like you are actually doing something wrong despite the fact that the law is on your side and you stand on public property. i wouldnt go out of my to antagonise anyone but i would feel pressured despite being in the clear. thank you for posting, very encouraging
The only guy who knew his stuff was the Building Manager at 11:00 on the vid. He had the right approach, if it's for commercial gain there might be copyright issues involved (he's right) if it's for your own use or for an exhibition come onto the estate and we'll help you get the best shots. Top guy! Well done to his employers too.
"if it's for commercial gain there might be copyright issues involved" The only Copyright issue, is that the Copyright belongs to the photographer, or (depending on the contract) the person who commissioned the photograph.
@@peterpoop7760 I believe my comment was..."If the corporation's property is visible from a PUBLIC PLACE it's fair game." So your comment is not relevant to my statement.
What pisses me off about the people in these videos is that in London, on an average day, you are captured on more than 300 cameras, so why the fuck should individuals be bothered about being on film (OK that dates me). What REALLY pisses me off though is that jumped up little Hitler wannabes (building security) are ignorant of the law and somehow think they have ANY rights to tell a citizen to do anything at all. These photographers were bloody marvelous and a damn site calmer than I could keep myself in a similar situation. Bravo, great project and well done to the police!!
ali Servan I think its mixed numbers, probably seen 300+ times a day on cameras but there are as TheBoHoBoy says 1000's and 1000's of cameras you just don't walk in front of all of them in a single day.
ali Servan well this is the uk and some other places i think...here in india where i stay a majority of the people like to be photographed...but ive had experiences where ive been threatened, held at knifepoint and had coppers come in who are in with the people who have threatened me...you cant really argue with these guys, you gotta protect your equipment and yourself...all that youll hear is well...the law aint gonna protect you at the moment is it
At first it sounded funny, but at second thought, I find this comment genius! Wouldn't for example, remembering parts of the building, count as planning a terror attack? You can just remember how someone looks, people are having really good memory for remebering faces. Shit, you can even draw them later! Why would you remember how someone looks? Why do you take photographs? And can you be forced, not to remember someone? No, because it is natural, we do look at others. Or people should be prevented to look at eachother maybe.
he actually played some mental games, an innocuous offer of better photos actually trying to control what they shoot and offering a false choice as it doesn't matter the purpose of the photos the process and law is the same but overall a decent attempt at doing his job
@@elementcustoms1898 well its not illegal. talking your way into making people do what you want them do is completely legal (as long as it isnt harmful). its their fault if they listen to him
Why do these companies think they own the entire street they have a building on.? if they don't like people filming go move to a private island somewhere, preferably the moon.
ha ha! True! People who don't want to be filmed in a public place are a different story, very confrontational when it happens and you can't defend yourself or walk away because worry of your gear. Even a police man can't ask you to delete or confiscate your camera but the odd one's who are clueless about the law would be the first to complain if someone did it to them.
Good point. I actually liked when the police were called in this video cause then we got to see the police say the photographers had the right to be there. But in every day photography? Who wants to stand around and wait for police?
That's just it. There is NO LAW that allows or disallows taking photographs from a public space in the UK. I believe that in UK Common Law and any and all 'Acts' there is nothing that says taking photo's from anywhere is a crime, misdemeanor or offence. a business may be able to get a court order that bans taking photo's in a building but even then it is a civil matter, not a criminal act. What is not disallowed is allowed. In fact any and all 'bye-laws' that prevent photography from a public space are not worth the paper that they are printed on.
What a load of racist shite. The USA has guns and less rights. Duh! guns dont kill people, people do...........33k in one year. Turkey has 12% of the population that owns guns and that didn't help the 100K journalists from being jailed. Give us some figures to back up your bullshit. And what shit hole are you from?
some good police work by our Police Officers. Credit where it is due. Its a shame the few supporting bailiffs let the police down by not enforcing the law in this same objective way.
The arrogance and cluelessness of these security people is as hilarious as it is baffling. What on earth makes them think that people aren’t allowed to take photographs of their buildings?
The sheer irony is staggering to those who know that London has close to *1 MILLION* CCTV cameras observing its streets and the citizens and visitors traversing them! These million surveillance cameras are believed to photograph the average Londoner at least 70 times every single day! Now sir, would you like to tell me again how you don't want ME taking photographs that include "your" building? I would like to see the photos and videos your CCTV system is recording of the two of us arguing right now about "your" building's "right" to not be photographed by ME!!
American cops can learn a lot from these London cops. They knew the law and respected the rights of the photographers, and deescalated each situation in a calm manner. What the hell is wrong with American cops?
+Harley Dozer Lol, in America 5 of the photographers would have been arrested and charged, and the 6th would have been tased and then would have mysteriously died in custody.
Fantastic video - thanks for making it. What is the matter with these people and companies with such policies? Do they truly think a terrorist organisation would be so conspicuous? Wouldn't it be easier to to use a phone and act like a tourist? Have they never heard of Google Street view or Google Earth which makes taking photos virtually obsolete for such purposes.
Interesting to watch, especially given that the UK is in theory much less restrictive than France for example. I can see both sides though. How many of us would be ok with it if someone randomly set up a tripod outside our house?
Mike Browne thanks for the post. Excellent video demonstrating some of the lack of knowledge around. As was said the use of common sense should be used. However, it looks like some security personnel have that gene removed as part of the training.
Besides, there can be one piece of legislation permitting CCTV for banking institutions and for policing, while another piece of legislation puts differing limits on CCTV usage. Such is the case in Portugal.
Well at least it seems in each instance the actual police arrived on the scene the had no problems as long as the photographers were standing on public property. thats good to hear
I completely understand security personnel coming up just to ask a few questions (and probably just get a sense of who you are), that is their job and I can see why in some of these clips they might be curious why someone would be spending time photographing certain things. Everyone involved was respectful and courteous. I've only had a few incidents while shooting myself here in the US. I've found, like in the video, if you're polite and respectful that is how you will be treated as well. I've also found it useful to explain what was so interesting to me about what I was photographing and even show them the picture to illustrate that I was interested in the shadows and the light or the way the side of the building overlapped something. The biggest thing is breaking that authority vs suspect mood by just interacting with them as another person. I've even asked if there was something in particular they didn't want me to photograph and the security guard explained they had JUST put in some new cameras right where I was shooting so that's why it seemed a little suspicious to him. No harm no foul, I don't blame them for being curious in some instances. One stupid thing to do though: I was shooting with a friend down in Baltimore once, right outside some building that we didn't know what it was. A security guard came out and headed right for us. That's when my friend decided to head for the hills and took off running down the street. So now the security guard is immediately alarmed at what we might have been doing. I stayed there and simply walked towards the guard and explained we were in a photography class and were trying to get some shots of the reflections in the windows of the building. He explained that someone important was actually in the room that we were aiming our cameras at so he just wanted to come check us out. After hearing my explanation he said "it's cool man, you do what you do, I just wanted to find out what it was you do." Seems reasonable. He didn't ask to delete the pictures or even see them, he was simply doing his job and asking a couple questions about something that he found potentially suspicious. It's a two way street. I don't expect people to just assume i'm an artist because I have a camera. If you let the security personnel know that you understand why they might come ask you a question instead of immediately playing the angry victim card like some youtube videos, then you usually bring them down to your level. In the case of the one security guard who I showed how I liked the shadows the awning was making and said I was waiting for someone to walk through the frame he offered to model for the shot. He gave me his e-mail and I sent him his photo and he loved it. It's people skills... don't always assume you're just being wrongfully "oppressed by the man."
@@Lakenbeer no, I’m in uk and the only people who’d be brandishing guns on a uk street would be police, and I’d follow their instructions and lodge any complaint later, or lunatics and I’d exhibit severe discretion, that being the better part of valour.
This apparently speaks of a much greater problem with those who think the are above the law where they can hire paid thugs and send them out to harass private citizens going about their own business in public places. How much of a "greater problem" am I referring to? Great enough that ALL six photographers were reported to have been interfered with at least once which means to me some were screwed with more than once.
The chap in the pink jumper was quite good, very professional and polite and non-confrontational. And kudos to the great cops who understood that citizens rights are more important than the wounded ego of a security guard. Well done lads, well done.
At one point there is a guard who states that it is because of the "Terrorism Act" that people must not film or photograph buildings. Later, his colleague states that the city of London (financial district and separate legal state to the UK) is at a state of heightened alert, and then makes mention of being briefed by the local Police. Quasi Police forces are being formed from within security firms, staffed by people who can just about comb their hair and operate a light switch. Why do we let this legislation slide through? Keep thinking about the Anti Social Behaviour and Crime Policing Bill, read it, digest what it would do to your rights and freedoms in the UK. This video would have been impossible, impossible!
Rather than cooperate with these paranoid corporate goons the police should make an example of some of them and arrest them for harassing the photographers.
What i like about this is all the conversations are incredibly civilised. I really envy that, I live in both Germany and Japan for a while recently without being about to speak the language. It was very difficult.
I remember getting into a pretty ugly incident with some Spanish Police Officers, and when I got back to the UK I went up to a British officer in the Airport and I said I had a bad experience with the Spanish Police, and asked if I could hug him and he said yeah and we hugged :D and he joked "your safe now" xD haha I will never forget it! My friend was pissing himself laughing xD
FFS....I hope you are gonna set a trend off. Hug a cop'' day doesn't appeal to me at all. Some are as bad as the Yank cops....and that's saying a LOT. NO. LET'S KEEP THEM ALL AT A LONG DISTANCE AND REFUSE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTION WITHOUT YOUR SOLICITOR BEING THERE, AND EVEN WHEN HE'S THERE GIVE A ''NO COMMENT'' INTERVIEW. It really pisses them off.
Well done, guys. Great job done and point well made. The difference here compared to other complaints about photographers being arrested is that you were polite and were happy to co-operate with the olive at all times. You were happy to tell them why you were there and to give them your names. It just proves that a little co-operation goes a long way on both sides. Great video guys.
Have to say that I was actually impressed with the police. I've seen videos in the past where the police abuse their powers and get things very wrong. This helps to restore confidence to the public seeing they are knowledgeable on such matters. Love the comment about covert surveillance, to a photographer who is standing in the middle of a walk way with a tripod!
."What do you do for a job?"..oh, I work as an operative that prevents Photographers from legitimately photographing buildings in a public place...oh...ok..that's a nice job...
City of London police, based in the financial district, denoted by the red and white chequers on their caps, they are I think a level above your normal every day copper as they totally know the law and are totally professional in upholding it, good to see that they supported the photographers and their right to photograph and did not side with those private security who are obviously a law unto themselves. Credit to the police on this one.
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Very well done that policeman who came, admired the camera, and said "I'm not worried. You can photograph whatever you like as long as your'e on public property..." That's proper policing.
If a security guard walks up to you when you are on public property and asks for ID, the simple response is, “No, why would I give you, a complete stranger with no authority over me whatsoever, ID?”
Even a sworn constable acting on his or her oath has no right to ask for your id unless... 1. You are operating a motor vehicle on a public road 2. He or she has reasonable grounds to suspect you have committed a criminal offence. If neither of those circumstances apply no police officer has the right to demnad your id.
Interestingly I had a couple of incidents occur when taking some street scenes and architectural shots when walking to and from work between Fenchurch Street and Shoreditch. These were all done using a little Panasonic Lumix LX100. There was one scene where some amazing reflections and light around a revolving door. The guard asked me why I was taking pictures of the entrance and I explained to him that it was nothing suspect, just that I saw an interesting image etc. Another approached me when i was on what I thought was some pavement, which he insisted was private property. He also asked me if I was a professional (which I'm not, it's just a hobby) and that I couldn't take pictures where I was standing and certainly not of the building. The building wasn't even going to be in the shot: I was more interested in the morning light which was shining down the street. It always amazes me that if you were doing the exact same thing on a smartphone, would they approach you? After all, some of them are perfectly capable of taking pretty good images.
No. Lots of videos on YT showing interactions. There are some idiots that come out quoting the 'Terrorism Act' But generally they are put right by others.
Thanks for the film, I tire of films that are made by people who just want to be unnecessarily aggressive. Happy to see that the police are becoming more aware of the law.
Caio Cesar Yeah and they don't want people filming all the corporate confidential information that they leave sitting on desks by the windows on the ground floor too, right?
The cop at 13 mins is great. Please hire more people like him MET. Pleasant demeanour and attitude. 1 in a million. ShootExperienceTeam, keep up the good work
You need to come over to America and teach some of our auditors how to behave. You're so polite and you get your message across so much better. Good on you!!
Really excellent video. Amazing the hassle photographers get. Only twice have I had issues with security. Once filming in Wuppertal, Germany in a tram station. From nowhere 2 security guys came. They were friendly but said I had 5mins to film then go. The second time in Prague photographing shadows from lamps on the Mandarin Orient Hotel. Security came and stood taking photos and video of me !
There are 2 qualifications for being a security guard:. 1. You are breathing 2. You have no general knowledge or common sense. All the security guards in this clip were eminently suitable for the job based on the required qualifications.
My go-to line in these situations is "No worries, I'm a professional photographer. I know what I can and cannot photograph.". Communicates you're knowledgeable about the subject and have been through this before. Above all, keep shooting while politely discussing the matter with whomever. Don't be afraid to walk away when you're finished as well. Private security have no right to impede or hold you on public property.
I have been thinking of printing a card call "Security Bingo". Then after an encounter tick of all the items and give to the security person. Hopefully they may get to realize how tedious and petty they are? We could have "Can't film here", "terrorist", "call the police", "you need my permission", "My boss says...", what else?
Bank of America is one of the worst. Once I was photographing, and two officers came over to stop me. It is very sad that people are so stupid. - Clint Crowther
Building Manager at 10:45 is awesome. That's the attitude we need, NOT mindless goons giving it "It's for Seekoority Innit!" As a photog I will remember to state that it's for a private collection or exhibition. If it is for revenue, take a corporate release form.
I'm fascinated by the arrogance and ignorance of these "security personnel" they have no greater authority than any other citizen, yet they feel entitled to question people going about their lawful business. They further insist that "permission" is required from those who are not empowered to demand such a request. These people are incrementalists, seeking to deny peoples rights a liitle at a time. i'm disappointed that the photographers entertained their enquiries.
I was stopped on my own street taking photos and filming some years back by a very polite WPC and her colleague who asked me what I was doing. I told her I was documenting my local area and had been doing so for many years. She said this may be deemed suspicious as 'many children live on this street'. There were no kids (including my own) in sight on that occasion, and I replied that if I were filming the City, just a short walk away, as I often do, she'd be talking terrorism, not pedophilia. She asked to view my photos but I refused to comply, so she said 'Fine, carry on!' but issued me with a form under the now defunct section 44 of the terrorism act. Many inexperienced photographers/filmers make the mistake of being defensive and rude when challenged by police or private security. I would just say: stand your ground, but be discreet and courteous. In most streets of all UK cities we ALL are on camera ALL of the time.
And you sound like an ill-mannered little cabbage to be honest: also, you're soooo out of touch .... that was years ago and that stupid law no longer applies - if you think being discrete and courteous is uncool or whatever you need to take your little cabbage head right out of your dickhead little ass.@@victokai4066
Well done to the security guy for inviting you on site for better images! He knows the law regarding making money off the building too.. fair play to the guy and i hope you got some stunning photos!
To be fair the photographers didn't appear to be absolutely certain of the law either. Wouldn't the easiest way to shut down the security types be: "If you call the police, I'll wait here patiently til they come to tell you that, yes, I have the right to take photos in a public space."? Assuming they are within their legal rights, that would call the bluff of security goons... BTW, North American cops could take a lesson in civility from the Brits...
There is a bigger problem that these "Wanna be" cops, is that they have next to no legal training and use the "Big stick" method of enforcing their will on the public. The big problem is that their are a multitude of 'civil' servants who also tell the public what they can do or not, with an equal lack of training. At least our police go though a rigorous training before they become policemen.
Good on the real police schooling the wannabe rent a cops on the actual law. Would have liked to have seen the police tell the security nazis directly what is what.
I took a picture of a pedal taxi operator today in central London. He didn't like it and told me to delete it and that it was illegal. I just looked at him and said, "so get a policeman then". The end.
Always great to see how quickly 'Knobheads' come running out to confront someone with a camera ! But not so quick if you were holding a knife or you were on drugs !
Comes from years of ill information passed down through the ranks. Security guards are on high alert, their jobs are on the line if they mess up. Provoking a reaction just makes it worse. If I approach a sticky situation and I want a picture, I'll approach any security first, show them a contact card and they are happy. It's about making it less tense for everyone. This comes across almost like the sole purpose was to get a reaction out of the security. Not all of them know the law, and not all photographers know it either. Use common sense.
I don't think it's so much trying to provoke a reaction, it's more a case of showing that things we are legally allowed to do are being curtailed by other citizens. Security guards are civilians and they have no right to ask for ID. It would be like me just walking up to a random person in the street and asking them for their ID. It may be something small but it's still an infringement of our democratic rights and I think that is the point that is trying to be made by this exercise.
Can you prove he's trying to provoke a reaction though? FACT - he doesn't need permission as there's no law against it. Why can;t the security guards use the common sense you speak of?
Cracks me up, these companies put themselves in these huge iconic buildings then get all jumpy when people take pictures of them. If you're that worried move to an industrial estate in Luton.
haha yes my thoughts precisely. "Hey guys, lets rent offices in the tallest tower block in Europe. WTF PEOPLE ARE TAKING PHOTOS OF OUR OFFICES!!!!" - corporate logic.
Jimmy Robertson There's a video of a crew doing this in NYC of a building the entire front of which for an entire block long, two stories high, is glass. The security guys were wetting their knickers because someone was "filming INTO "their" building". If the building's contents are that damned sensitive, why is the entire front made of transparent material?
+Jimmy Robertson hahahaha, love this comment, too true
well said...
CLASS 🤣😂😎Jim
Bloody good to see some coppers who know their jobs, well done officers.
Agreed.
Glen O'Riley they should have got a mention in the thanks credits for backing you up and knowing the law.
Agreed.
Yes I totally agree with you my friend, there is a small percentage of good coppers out there these good coppers need to set a good example to the corrupt police officers that just go on and try and get you nicked for something completely unrelated to the original "crime" just because they've just been schooled and learnt that you was actually not committing any offence and with that feel they've lost face and had their authority challenged but rather than learn from their mistakes like the rest of us civilians have to do they come up with some bogus charge just so to stamp their authority all over us and breach our Human Rights!
City of London are a fantastic force
fair play to the guy who said they could go onto the private estate and would help them get better images
He was the only guy who had any brains, treat people nicely, you get results!!
I liked him too.....
The one officer at the end handled it professionally and upheld his oath. I like that, the way it should be.
Good to see the City of London Police actually know the law.
*SOME* do. Definitely not all. Sure would be nice to have THOSE individuals teaching the incoming ones though. What a difference we'd see in a year, two, five!!
So you notice something here.
The private security have no idea what they're talking about and try to intimidate people away. The actual Police understood the laws and dealt with it correctly in this video.
I am a videojournalist in the states. I'm glad you posted your encounters with these "security" personnel. This happens on my job all the time. When I am in that situation, I always suggest they call the police as to get a lesson on public spaces.
First, let me just say that I am an American. With that in mind, I absolutely love every police officer in this video. They all knew the law and upheld it in a calm and professional manner. That, my friends, is law enforcement. It's so rare in America to find any cop willing to do this. I fear American police.
Robert Taylor Even better: These British policemen are not even armed. They usually just talk friendly to the people and sort things out.
First, Thankyou for your observations. Of course we have some police who do not always act professionally but I would say that cops here are trained to de-escalate situations. When I watch yet videos of US cops it is frightening. All too often they launch overwhelming force when it is not called for. Of course there are plenty of decent cops in America but I have to say their image here is very badly tarnished because of so many cases of brutality and shooting. The US police all too often look militarised which is very sad. US cops could learn a lot from UK police. In this video the cops listen to both sides, they know the rules and enforce the law properly.
Robert Taylor The UK is always a few years behind you on things. Yes we have some nice cops but damn we have many bad once as well. although not as bad as yours. The UK has gone a bit paranoid since 7/7 same as the USA with 9/11. when security and even cops as iv seen them try to tell you that you have no right to film in a public place then they are liars or idiots that do not know the law. We have just as many people here telling the public they cant do this and that now since 7/7, they will be using 7/7 as a reason you cant do things in the year 3015 I think. like chill people not everyone is a terrorist. I mean damn its London lol many people take pictures there. lets make a nice massive building then worry if people take pics of it,
Robert Taylor I'd trade our entire police force for these 5-6 bobbies.
+Robert Taylor i thought the same thing
Not every photography is confidant when intimidated by security appearing to act in a bullying manner. the hardest bit is being made to feel like you are actually doing something wrong despite the fact that the law is on your side and you stand on public property. i wouldnt go out of my to antagonise anyone but i would feel pressured despite being in the clear. thank you for posting, very encouraging
They should put a big sheet over the front of the building so Google Streetview can't take a picture once a year.
Or those with dash cam, everyday
The only guy who knew his stuff was the Building Manager at 11:00 on the vid. He had the right approach, if it's for commercial gain there might be copyright issues involved (he's right) if it's for your own use or for an exhibition come onto the estate and we'll help you get the best shots. Top guy! Well done to his employers too.
Yeah that guy had the right attitude!, bravo.
"if it's for commercial gain there might be copyright issues involved"
The only Copyright issue, is that the Copyright belongs to the photographer, or (depending on the contract) the person who commissioned the photograph.
Or he invited them in and set about them,damaged their equipment and destroyed their work.
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I'm pretty certain that the law changes as soon as you set foot on their private property.
@@peterpoop7760 I believe my comment was..."If the corporation's property is visible from a PUBLIC PLACE it's fair game."
So your comment is not relevant to my statement.
All of those people that tried to stop you from filming got shot down in flames. Too funny.
What pisses me off about the people in these videos is that in London, on an average day, you are captured on more than 300 cameras, so why the fuck should individuals be bothered about being on film (OK that dates me). What REALLY pisses me off though is that jumped up little Hitler wannabes (building security) are ignorant of the law and somehow think they have ANY rights to tell a citizen to do anything at all. These photographers were bloody marvelous and a damn site calmer than I could keep myself in a similar situation. Bravo, great project and well done to the police!!
Well said . they need to be aware that Google Earth has many Pictures also ... so lets tell these so called Terrorist Security guards to go away >
ali Servan Only 330 cctv camera's ? I think you missed a couple of 00's off there.
TheBoHoBoy Bloody hell seriously?
ali Servan I think its mixed numbers, probably seen 300+ times a day on cameras but there are as TheBoHoBoy says 1000's and 1000's of cameras you just don't walk in front of all of them in a single day.
ali Servan well this is the uk and some other places i think...here in india where i stay a majority of the people like to be photographed...but ive had experiences where ive been threatened, held at knifepoint and had coppers come in who are in with the people who have threatened me...you cant really argue with these guys, you gotta protect your equipment and yourself...all that youll hear is well...the law aint gonna protect you at the moment is it
Security...what a bunch of knobs....couldn't secure their trousers 😂😂😂..!!
Thank you for doing that and sharing it - I spoke to security many times while taking photos in central London and they are simply idiots.
World wide.
10:57 that property manager's got great people skills
I have a photographic memory. I'd better not go out anymore. :-(
+SA300 Oh very good LOL
At first it sounded funny, but at second thought, I find this comment genius! Wouldn't for example, remembering parts of the building, count as planning a terror attack? You can just remember how someone looks, people are having really good memory for remebering faces. Shit, you can even draw them later! Why would you remember how someone looks? Why do you take photographs? And can you be forced, not to remember someone? No, because it is natural, we do look at others. Or people should be prevented to look at eachother maybe.
then your not allowed to stand on private property and look
I also have a photographic memory, problem is, at my age I’ve ran out of film!
I was thinking the same thing. Is there a limit to the amount of time you can spend looking at a building?
the chap at 10:44 seemed really nice; He introduced himself, didn't impede and made attempts to help you, can we have more security like him?
He clearly knows the law too
he actually played some mental games, an innocuous offer of better photos actually trying to control what they shoot and offering a false choice as it doesn't matter the purpose of the photos the process and law is the same but overall a decent attempt at doing his job
@@elementcustoms1898 so we established he is either a swell guy or just very darn clever
It was farcical listening to the security who clearly have no inkling of the law, it's an old video let's hope their more updated. 👍
@@elementcustoms1898 well its not illegal. talking your way into making people do what you want them do is completely legal (as long as it isnt harmful). its their fault if they listen to him
Why do these companies think they own the entire street they have a building on.? if they don't like people filming go move to a private island somewhere, preferably the moon.
It's true. You've a point.
I took picture of the moon ... crap i might be sued (joking)
I went to a party on the moon once.
Never again.
It had no atmosphere.
Print out the law and take it with you, if confronted it saves alot of messing around. Most security guards haven't got a clue. This is what I do
ha ha! True! People who don't want to be filmed in a public place are a different story, very confrontational when it happens and you can't defend yourself or walk away because worry of your gear. Even a police man can't ask you to delete or confiscate your camera but the odd one's who are clueless about the law would be the first to complain if someone did it to them.
Good point. I actually liked when the police were called in this video cause then we got to see the police say the photographers had the right to be there. But in every day photography? Who wants to stand around and wait for police?
such a good idea!
That's just it. There is NO LAW that allows or disallows taking photographs from a public space in the UK. I believe that in UK Common Law and any and all 'Acts' there is nothing that says taking photo's from anywhere is a crime, misdemeanor or offence. a business may be able to get a court order that bans taking photo's in a building but even then it is a civil matter, not a criminal act.
What is not disallowed is allowed. In fact any and all 'bye-laws' that prevent photography from a public space are not worth the paper that they are printed on.
What a load of racist shite. The USA has guns and less rights. Duh! guns dont kill people, people do...........33k in one year. Turkey has 12% of the population that owns guns and that didn't help the 100K journalists from being jailed. Give us some figures to back up your bullshit. And what shit hole are you from?
"Terrorism Act and stuff"
"Which part of the Terrorism Act?"
"I think we'll end the conversation there"
I would love to see these same photographers go to these same places now in 2022 and do the same thing. PLEASE.
some good police work by our Police Officers. Credit where it is due. Its a shame the few supporting bailiffs let the police down by not enforcing the law in this same objective way.
How the conversation should have gone:-
"May I ask why you're filming."
"Yes."
(Carries on filming)
The arrogance and cluelessness of these security people is as hilarious as it is baffling. What on earth makes them think that people aren’t allowed to take photographs of their buildings?
The sheer irony is staggering to those who know that London has close to *1 MILLION* CCTV cameras observing its streets and the citizens and visitors traversing them! These million surveillance cameras are believed to photograph the average Londoner at least 70 times every single day!
Now sir, would you like to tell me again how you don't want ME taking photographs that include "your" building? I would like to see the photos and videos your CCTV system is recording of the two of us arguing right now about "your" building's "right" to not be photographed by ME!!
American cops can learn a lot from these London cops. They knew the law and respected the rights of the photographers, and deescalated each situation in a calm manner. What the hell is wrong with American cops?
+Harley Dozer
Lol, in America 5 of the photographers would have been arrested and charged, and the 6th would have been tased and then would have mysteriously died in custody.
you guys listen to the media a lot? by the way your talking about cops i assume you never went any farther than what the media tells you.
+Torgo Leave it out, d'ya fink I'm some kinda muppet? Bloody filth, come round: you don't own me, mate! Ya ain't gonna feel me collar, today, copper.
+Harley Dozer And not a single Gun in sight.
love British comedy
Fantastic video - thanks for making it. What is the matter with these people and companies with such policies? Do they truly think a terrorist organisation would be so conspicuous? Wouldn't it be easier to to use a phone and act like a tourist? Have they never heard of Google Street view or Google Earth which makes taking photos virtually obsolete for such purposes.
Depends on what risks they're protecting from. I'd actually expect them to approach people taking photos/video on their mobile.
Interesting to watch, especially given that the UK is in theory much less restrictive than France for example. I can see both sides though. How many of us would be ok with it if someone randomly set up a tripod outside our house?
Great job on part of photographers and police officers
Mike Browne thanks for the post. Excellent video demonstrating some of the lack of knowledge around. As was said the use of common sense should be used. However, it looks like some security personnel have that gene removed as part of the training.
Besides, there can be one piece of legislation permitting CCTV for banking institutions and for policing, while another piece of legislation puts differing limits on CCTV usage. Such is the case in Portugal.
Well at least it seems in each instance the actual police arrived on the scene the had no problems as long as the photographers were standing on public property. thats good to hear
"I've been told by my manager."
The civilian form of "I was just following orders"
Neither is a defence.
I completely understand security personnel coming up just to ask a few questions (and probably just get a sense of who you are), that is their job and I can see why in some of these clips they might be curious why someone would be spending time photographing certain things. Everyone involved was respectful and courteous.
I've only had a few incidents while shooting myself here in the US. I've found, like in the video, if you're polite and respectful that is how you will be treated as well. I've also found it useful to explain what was so interesting to me about what I was photographing and even show them the picture to illustrate that I was interested in the shadows and the light or the way the side of the building overlapped something. The biggest thing is breaking that authority vs suspect mood by just interacting with them as another person. I've even asked if there was something in particular they didn't want me to photograph and the security guard explained they had JUST put in some new cameras right where I was shooting so that's why it seemed a little suspicious to him. No harm no foul, I don't blame them for being curious in some instances.
One stupid thing to do though: I was shooting with a friend down in Baltimore once, right outside some building that we didn't know what it was. A security guard came out and headed right for us. That's when my friend decided to head for the hills and took off running down the street. So now the security guard is immediately alarmed at what we might have been doing. I stayed there and simply walked towards the guard and explained we were in a photography class and were trying to get some shots of the reflections in the windows of the building. He explained that someone important was actually in the room that we were aiming our cameras at so he just wanted to come check us out. After hearing my explanation he said "it's cool man, you do what you do, I just wanted to find out what it was you do." Seems reasonable. He didn't ask to delete the pictures or even see them, he was simply doing his job and asking a couple questions about something that he found potentially suspicious.
It's a two way street. I don't expect people to just assume i'm an artist because I have a camera. If you let the security personnel know that you understand why they might come ask you a question instead of immediately playing the angry victim card like some youtube videos, then you usually bring them down to your level. In the case of the one security guard who I showed how I liked the shadows the awning was making and said I was waiting for someone to walk through the frame he offered to model for the shot. He gave me his e-mail and I sent him his photo and he loved it. It's people skills... don't always assume you're just being wrongfully "oppressed by the man."
I love Brits. Even when they're fighting they're so bloody polite.
Berceuse it’s because we don’t have to think they have a gun and might shoot us.
@@thomascarroll9556 so you'd be less polite if they had guns?
@@Lakenbeer no, I’m in uk and the only people who’d be brandishing guns on a uk street would be police, and I’d follow their instructions and lodge any complaint later, or lunatics and I’d exhibit severe discretion, that being the better part of valour.
This apparently speaks of a much greater problem with those who think the are above the law where they can hire paid thugs and send them out to harass private citizens going about their own business in public places. How much of a "greater problem" am I referring to? Great enough that ALL six photographers were reported to have been interfered with at least once which means to me some were screwed with more than once.
Excellent, excellent point. I found this odd myself. Thanks for putting it so nicely into words.
Private companies approaching members of the public in a public place and TRYING to assert some sort of authority over them.
Simply put.
GO AWAY.
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
round of applause for the copper at 12:50
12:00 "cor, that's a nice looking camera!" lmao.
My gosh this was good, even 10 years later. We need more vids from you folks!
Grey suit guy says "as long as you don't take any pictures of the cameras" ... yet again it's alright for them but not for the general public
Notice the "my building" as well. Fuck off, you're in a dead end job stopping people filming an insignificant building. What a dead career
Just because he didn't get his Blue at rugby, no need...
The chap in the pink jumper was quite good, very professional and polite and non-confrontational. And kudos to the great cops who understood that citizens rights are more important than the wounded ego of a security guard. Well done lads, well done.
10 years later we have gone from the police not really caring to the police having a fit when they see a camera out...
Thank you to the photographers videographers and organisers.
At one point there is a guard who states that it is because of the "Terrorism Act" that people must not film or photograph buildings.
Later, his colleague states that the city of London (financial district and separate legal state to the UK) is at a state of heightened alert, and then makes mention of being briefed by the local Police.
Quasi Police forces are being formed from within security firms, staffed by people who can just about comb their hair and operate a light switch.
Why do we let this legislation slide through?
Keep thinking about the Anti Social Behaviour and Crime Policing Bill, read it, digest what it would do to your rights and freedoms in the UK.
This video would have been impossible, impossible!
If never ever ever ceases to amaze me when you put the shoe on the other foot!
Rather than cooperate with these paranoid corporate goons the police should make an example of some of them and arrest them for harassing the photographers.
John Higgins they ain’t Police so I believe that’s impersonating a police officer??? I can’t even see a SIA license?? They ain’t even security?😐😷
John Higgins they ain’t Police so I believe that’s impersonating a police officer??? I can’t even see a SIA license?? They ain’t even security?😐😷
What i like about this is all the conversations are incredibly civilised. I really envy that, I live in both Germany and Japan for a while recently without being about to speak the language. It was very difficult.
I remember getting into a pretty ugly incident with some Spanish Police Officers, and when I got back to the UK I went up to a British officer in the Airport and I said I had a bad experience with the Spanish Police, and asked if I could hug him and he said yeah and we hugged :D and he joked "your safe now" xD haha I will never forget it! My friend was pissing himself laughing xD
Awh... That is the sweetest story I've heard in a long while. Cheers to kind humanity.
FFS....I hope you are gonna set a trend off.
Hug a cop'' day doesn't appeal to me at all.
Some are as bad as the Yank cops....and that's saying a LOT.
NO. LET'S KEEP THEM ALL AT A LONG DISTANCE AND REFUSE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTION WITHOUT YOUR SOLICITOR BEING THERE, AND EVEN WHEN HE'S THERE GIVE A ''NO COMMENT'' INTERVIEW.
It really pisses them off.
Well done, guys. Great job done and point well made. The difference here compared to other complaints about photographers being arrested is that you were polite and were happy to co-operate with the olive at all times. You were happy to tell them why you were there and to give them your names. It just proves that a little co-operation goes a long way on both sides. Great video guys.
These security guys do not seem to compute, they have no juristiction outside the building on public land.
Thank you guys for your hard work. PHOTGRAPHER APPROVED!
Have to say that I was actually impressed with the police. I've seen videos in the past where the police abuse their powers and get things very wrong. This helps to restore confidence to the public seeing they are knowledgeable on such matters.
Love the comment about covert surveillance, to a photographer who is standing in the middle of a walk way with a tripod!
Thanks to all who made this video, well done to all (Well not the security guards).
."What do you do for a job?"..oh, I work as an operative that prevents Photographers from legitimately photographing buildings in a public place...oh...ok..that's a nice job...
Another reminder needs sent again to All forces to re-educate, Would like these journalists to do revisit
City of London police, based in the financial district, denoted by the red and white chequers on their caps, they are I think a level above your normal every day copper as they totally know the law and are totally professional in upholding it, good to see that they supported the photographers and their right to photograph and did not side with those private security who are obviously a law unto themselves. Credit to the police on this one.
Very well done that policeman who came, admired the camera, and said "I'm not worried. You can photograph whatever you like as long as your'e on public property..." That's proper policing.
excellent video-nice to see polite well informed police-shame about the downtrodden security trying to justify their paranoid existence
I hate to say this but a few of the Security guards did not speak very good English.I wonder whats going on?
alan jones
I'll tell you; they weren't English.
I hope this helps.
alan jones because our so called country has been over run with immigrants and its going to get worse leading to public disorder and riots .
If a security guard walks up to you when you are on public property and asks for ID, the simple response is, “No, why would I give you, a complete stranger with no authority over me whatsoever, ID?”
Unless a person is a sworn in constable in uniform, no one has the right to stop you, ask you any questions or ask you for ID.
Even a sworn constable acting on his or her oath has no right to ask for your id unless...
1. You are operating a motor vehicle on a public road
2. He or she has reasonable grounds to suspect you have committed a criminal offence.
If neither of those circumstances apply no police officer has the right to demnad your id.
i can tell you that 11 years later in 2022, they still think you cant film in public. we battle on.
Frightening how these big corporations dont like being filmed,,,
Interestingly I had a couple of incidents occur when taking some street scenes and architectural shots when walking to and from work between Fenchurch Street and Shoreditch. These were all done using a little Panasonic Lumix LX100.
There was one scene where some amazing reflections and light around a revolving door. The guard asked me why I was taking pictures of the entrance and I explained to him that it was nothing suspect, just that I saw an interesting image etc.
Another approached me when i was on what I thought was some pavement, which he insisted was private property. He also asked me if I was a professional (which I'm not, it's just a hobby) and that I couldn't take pictures where I was standing and certainly not of the building. The building wasn't even going to be in the shot: I was more interested in the morning light which was shining down the street.
It always amazes me that if you were doing the exact same thing on a smartphone, would they approach you? After all, some of them are perfectly capable of taking pretty good images.
Great police interaction! To bad American cops aren't as cool here.
if they were taking pictures of the police station from public space might be a different police interaction.
No. Lots of videos on YT showing interactions. There are some idiots that come out quoting the 'Terrorism Act' But generally they are put right by others.
I've noticed your cops over there are obsessed with obtaining ID
Thanks for the film, I tire of films that are made by people who just want to be unnecessarily aggressive. Happy to see that the police are becoming more aware of the law.
The company doesn't allow? How come Google Maps hasn't been sued? They have photographs of every building.
Because Google are a huge corporation with high end lawyers.
they just don't want someone to photograph the security scheme you know =/
sorry for desagree with the video
Caio Cesar It's fine if they don't want to, but their want does not warrant the ability to prevent somebody from doing so.
Caio Cesar Yeah and they don't want people filming all the corporate confidential information that they leave sitting on desks by the windows on the ground floor too, right?
The cop at 13 mins is great. Please hire more people like him MET. Pleasant demeanour and attitude. 1 in a million.
ShootExperienceTeam, keep up the good work
I wonder what the attitude of those involved ("security" personnel, police officers) would have been, had the photograpers looked "muslim"/arabic.
Kudos to all police officers featured in this video for not over reacting and dispensing the situations in a positive manner.
No. You can film him! Never stop...OMG.
And you never have to say anything!
Even a policemen can't tell you to stop if it is a public place.
You need to come over to America and teach some of our auditors how to behave. You're so polite and you get your message across so much better. Good on you!!
Ouch this is painful to watch. but also makes me think about doing a video in edinburgh... could be fun.
Be careful Dom!
Some of these people can become quite nasty.
Dombowerphoto, I would be more worried about having your camera stolen.
2023 and it it is still happening , police and private sector are not learning , or have not been trained adequately in public photography .
From america you have good cops.
Really excellent video. Amazing the hassle photographers get. Only twice have I had issues with security. Once filming in Wuppertal, Germany in a tram station. From nowhere 2 security guys came. They were friendly but said I had 5mins to film then go. The second time in Prague photographing shadows from lamps on the Mandarin Orient Hotel. Security came and stood taking photos and video of me !
There are 2 qualifications for being a security guard:.
1. You are breathing
2. You have no general knowledge or common sense.
All the security guards in this clip were eminently suitable for the job based on the required qualifications.
3. Your knuckles drag the floor.
Nice to see the guy who offered to help them get better shots that what he found out if it was private or for publication and what a nice guy
Do a 2019 version but just make it bigger and better.
My go-to line in these situations is "No worries, I'm a professional photographer. I know what I can and cannot photograph.". Communicates you're knowledgeable about the subject and have been through this before. Above all, keep shooting while politely discussing the matter with whomever. Don't be afraid to walk away when you're finished as well. Private security have no right to impede or hold you on public property.
These people have never heard of Google Earth Street view.
I have been thinking of printing a card call "Security Bingo". Then after an encounter tick of all the items and give to the security person. Hopefully they may get to realize how tedious and petty they are?
We could have "Can't film here", "terrorist", "call the police", "you need my permission", "My boss says...", what else?
Bank of America is one of the worst. Once I was photographing, and two officers came over to stop me. It is very sad that people are so stupid.
- Clint Crowther
Considering that "America" is supposed to mean "freedom", perhaps it should it renamed the "Bank of Irony".
Two words needed. “Jog on”
Wear berkas next time, and see if they dare speak to you! Lol
Building Manager at 10:45 is awesome.
That's the attitude we need, NOT mindless goons giving it "It's for Seekoority Innit!"
As a photog I will remember to state that it's for a private collection or exhibition.
If it is for revenue, take a corporate release form.
I'm fascinated by the arrogance and ignorance of these "security personnel" they have no greater authority than any other citizen, yet they feel entitled to question people going about their lawful business. They further insist that "permission" is required from those who are not empowered to demand such a request. These people are incrementalists, seeking to deny peoples rights a liitle at a time. i'm disappointed that the photographers entertained their enquiries.
Ray Smyth Very well said.
That copper at the end was lovely. Breath of fresh air.
Good to see the police knew how to handle the situations properly. Well done officers!
Loved the flashing red arrow above security guard’s head 🤣🤣🤣
I was stopped on my own street taking photos and filming some years back by a very polite WPC and her colleague who asked me what I was doing. I told her I was documenting my local area and had been doing so for many years. She said this may be deemed suspicious as 'many children live on this street'. There were no kids (including my own) in sight on that occasion, and I replied that if I were filming the City, just a short walk away, as I often do, she'd be talking terrorism, not pedophilia. She asked to view my photos but I refused to comply, so she said 'Fine, carry on!' but issued me with a form under the now defunct section 44 of the terrorism act. Many inexperienced photographers/filmers make the mistake of being defensive and rude when challenged by police or private security. I would just say: stand your ground, but be discreet and courteous. In most streets of all UK cities we ALL are on camera ALL of the time.
Mind your language you deaf tomato. Ill mannered little cabbage.
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ninuxy Troll lol lol lol lol!
And you sound like an ill-mannered little cabbage to be honest: also, you're soooo out of touch .... that was years ago and that stupid law no longer applies - if you think being discrete and courteous is uncool or whatever you need to take your little cabbage head right out of your dickhead little ass.@@victokai4066
@@mickmaphari6606
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Well done to the security guy for inviting you on site for better images!
He knows the law regarding making money off the building too.. fair play to the guy and i hope you got some stunning photos!
@@alcedo_kf yah
To be fair the photographers didn't appear to be absolutely certain of the law either. Wouldn't the easiest way to shut down the security types be: "If you call the police, I'll wait here patiently til they come to tell you that, yes, I have the right to take photos in a public space."?
Assuming they are within their legal rights, that would call the bluff of security goons...
BTW, North American cops could take a lesson in civility from the Brits...
There is a bigger problem that these "Wanna be" cops, is that they have next to no legal training and use the "Big stick" method of enforcing their will on the public.
The big problem is that their are a multitude of 'civil' servants who also tell the public what they can do or not, with an equal lack of training. At least our police go though a rigorous training before they become policemen.
the photographers knew the laws, they were baiting to see if the others did.
true
thanks for sharing!!! this was awesome!!! photographers need to know they'r rights!!!
Be careful of that great big arrow by the way. :-)
Good grief! Give a man a cheap suit and a clip-on tie, and he thinks his head of MI5!
Good on the real police schooling the wannabe rent a cops on the actual law. Would have liked to have seen the police tell the security nazis directly what is what.
All these idiots need educating they should put the info on an advert on TV and radio telling public its not illegal to photograph in a public place😢
And half of the people telling Brits what they can and cant do on British public land have foreign accents.
Brilliant. Well done. This shit drives me crazy.
Me too. I with they would teach them about this in SIA training
I took a picture of a pedal taxi operator today in central London. He didn't like it and told me to delete it and that it was illegal. I just looked at him and said, "so get a policeman then". The end.
***** You by the sound of it.
***** It does doesn't it.
He has the right to ask you to delete his image and can I ask you is it right to film children in public?
Col Denn In the UK, no and yes.
canturgan it's not at all you cannot take an image off a child without the parents or carer written consent.
Always great to see how quickly 'Knobheads' come running out to confront someone with a camera ! But not so quick if you were holding a knife or you were on drugs !
Comes from years of ill information passed down through the ranks. Security guards are on high alert, their jobs are on the line if they mess up. Provoking a reaction just makes it worse. If I approach a sticky situation and I want a picture, I'll approach any security first, show them a contact card and they are happy. It's about making it less tense for everyone. This comes across almost like the sole purpose was to get a reaction out of the security. Not all of them know the law, and not all photographers know it either. Use common sense.
My extensive life experience of security guards and police tells me most do not understand or know the laws in the UK when it comes to photography.
I don't think it's so much trying to provoke a reaction, it's more a case of showing that things we are legally allowed to do are being curtailed by other citizens. Security guards are civilians and they have no right to ask for ID. It would be like me just walking up to a random person in the street and asking them for their ID. It may be something small but it's still an infringement of our democratic rights and I think that is the point that is trying to be made by this exercise.
dont u think that its common sense for them to know the law since they work in the security industry??
"I'll approach any security first, show them a contact card" Why would you give a security guard that power to decide??? You owe them nothing.
Can you prove he's trying to provoke a reaction though?
FACT - he doesn't need permission as there's no law against it.
Why can;t the security guards use the common sense you speak of?
I wonder what the results of this experiment would be if conducted now