It probably doesn't matter much whether your Powerline adapters are on the same circuit breaker, as long as they're on the same SIDE of the breaker panel.. In the USA, we run 240v to the house, in a 2-phase configuration, with two hot sides, and one neutral. Between the two hot sides is 240v. From either hot side to neutral is 120v. The breaker panel is typically set up to have about half of the breakers on one side, and the other half of them on the other side. So each 110v circuit gets power from one of the two hot sides and neutral. Powerline adapters generally work well when they're both plugged into circuits on the same side of the breaker panel, but not very well when one adapter connects to a breaker on one side, but the other adapter connects to a breaker on the other side. There are bridge/coupler devices (really just capacitors), which can be installed in your breaker panel, to couple high frequency signals from one side to the other, but you're probably better off just moving one of the breakers to the other side of the breaker panel. If that's not an option, look on the usual online shopping sites for "X10 phase coupler / signal bridge."
As i pointed out in my video of this Coax device, DO NOT put them on the same line as your cable modem or anything else, they need to be 100% isolated. These are NOT MOCA adapters.. :)
I utilize Power Line Ethernet to utilize a WiFi extender in an area of the house where just having it as a mesh WiFi unit itself on WiFi was not a good solution and it works great. ✅
the ones using the moca protocol (moca adapter) eventually there will be the moca 3.0 adpaters out which those wil go as high as 10GBPS but the speed this can get up to is pretty much moca 2.5
I've been using MoCA adapters for years now and they've been rock solid. I just speed tested 940Mbps on a gigabit connection over MoCA, they're basically magic.
I tried different brands of powerline adapters all performing really badly. Then discovered the MOCA adapters and now I have 2.5 GB internally and 250 MBit externally. Router is in the cellar, power users (Kids with gaming PCs) are on the second floor. Anyway, thanks for the good review
I have been using the poweline Ethernet adapters for years, and they have been great. Running Cat6 hasn't been an option for me. I have a TP-Link AV2000 connected to an 8-port switch, which is connected to my home server, work laptop, Home Assistant Yellow, etc. Then I have TP-Link AV1000s connected to my IP cameras. The speed has been more than adequate for all of my needs.
Used the powerline way in my flat for years, way better than WiFi but still no match for my hardwired CAT7 house now. For 99% of the time is was great BUT when an adapter loses it's connection it's a pain in the butt to get it running again, and that was with only 3 adapters total.
for me, the best are ethernet cables and fibers. I use all my line using them. for me reliability and stability are the top priority. I use cat 6 shielded for my main cable, and using UTP cat 6 as patch cable from the main cable. why? because mixing up media can make troubleshooting pain in the rear. will the powerline communication or coax media converter run? yes it will run, and can help you avoid many obstacle, but many things can go wrong in my opinion. but hey if it's works for you, go for it. great video as always!
if you're lucky and live in a new house with fresh high quality cables that are all in 1 loop... then sure.. for anything else, wifi will often beat it into the ground ...In my house for example, it's split into 3 loops from the fuse box.... anything not on the same loop, gets zero signal
Yes these have been out for a while. In my experience they suck. I have tried them several times in different places sometime they run well most of the time they don't. My house had cable installed R-6 wiring so i used moca adapters. Check them out if you have problems with these and your wired for cable tv.
Been surviving on powerline adapters for years. Until one died, and I was unable to purchase a replacement (in Bangkok about 6 months ago). Which pushed me to install cat6 instead 😅
As a cable tech that sees existing coax runs daily, please check your coax connectors before trying mocha. If the connector is sucked out you will have snr/lost packet issues
Also that chart is showing you cable loss and estimates at certain transmit rates. If transmitting at 30db then footage. Big word of caution here, this table is for rg6 cable only, in a perfect world. Probably wouldn’t be a huge deal for most, but in a big homes or homes with rug 59 cable it could make a difference
My mom ran like a 200 meter ethernet cable from her room (on one side of the house) and the csble traveks to my room (ehich its in the complete opposite of my house) and im able to run mulriple devices on like a NAS. no extension / powerline adapter required
These devices have come a long way since the versions that I tried a long time ago. Intel came out with some a long time ago also that were "home Internet sharing" over phone line and offered a blazing 1Mbps! Look up Intel AnyPoint Home Network. Ethernet over powerline has been a better option than over Coax in most places because coax can be spliced along the way in hidden locations and mess it up. For powerline ethernet, you can get a phase coupler to combine A & B phase to allow inter-phase communications.
I used powerline adapters for a wile but the speed was not good. I ended up using a mesh Wi-Fi System that gave me 60MB/s that was 10 times faster than the powerline units.
I do actually use powerline networking to connect wireless access points that are mostly for IoT or low bandwidth applications in places I dont want, or just cant be bothered to, find a better way out to them, like my shop, I dont give two flying mouse turds of the smoker or 3d printer out there takes a bit longer to tell me my bullshit is done, I already have other ways i can find out anyway like walking my lazy ass out there.
Funny enough. I just bought moca 2.5 adapters and installed them up yesterday. Speeds were almost gigabit, however I had a 4ms between my office and my router
You definately have NO idea how this works. It’s just 2 wireless mesh ap’s connecting to each other and giving at cable experience. Has NOTHING to do with your electrical system…!!!!
@@RaidOwl you’re so wrong. Try setting up a diesel generator in your garden. Connect on part to there and the other to your Home electrical wirering… they will connect to each other. Trust me on this… NO APPLIANCE IN THE WHOLE WORLD GOEST THROUGH YOUR ELECTRICAL WIRERING…
So, is that really the direction this channel is heading? Only sponsored content, adds, and that's all? Really? No more content about home-lab hacks, just as a hobby?
These are lovely devices, and they work well. That having been said ... run the damn ethernet cable. It's time consuming but it is always the best option.
The experience I have with those devices is, if they are not on the same circuit, throughput is abysmal or not working at all because of all the other factors you listed, namely line noise. Also, even on the same circuit, thoughput is around the equivalent of being on an old 10/100Mbps switch - you better use WiFi at that point. That's why I am not using them anymore. Edit: I didn't know (or thought) about the Coax devices though! I will check that out since that speed bandwidth is much more tolerable.
@ 8:03 - The Chart: 1st Column - Left Hand Side Blue - the Frame Size used (= Packet Size) 2nd Column - Speeds at 373m - with 30dB loss 3rd Column - Speeds at 580m - with 40dB loss etc
The electrical Ethernet is fine for one or two devices but after that it sucks. I used it around my house and periodically one of the devices would go offline and I would have to unplug and plug it in again for it to connect again. After about two years of that I ran Ethernet cables to the whole house where I needed network. Must better.
Never user ethernet powerline adapters, it causes so much interference in a radius of 200 meters. The radio spectrum is completely filled up. These things should never have been allowed. It's junk. Seriously don't use it.! As for MOCA go ahead if that works for ya.
I put CAT5 in when I was building my house but there were some areas that I didn’t cover as well as I should have. I also had coax thrown in for all our satellite TV coverage. Fortunately, that got to places that I didn’t wire LAN. When DirecTV switched over to digital, coax to ethernet converters on several of my circuits. I bought more converters and splitters, and added more portions of the house to the network. I was skeptical, but I actually have pretty good speeds and reliability. (I have had the opportunity to upgrade some of my cabling, and will probably try and replace some of the coax at some point in the future. For now, I am happy.)
It probably doesn't matter much whether your Powerline adapters are on the same circuit breaker, as long as they're on the same SIDE of the breaker panel..
In the USA, we run 240v to the house, in a 2-phase configuration, with two hot sides, and one neutral. Between the two hot sides is 240v. From either hot side to neutral is 120v. The breaker panel is typically set up to have about half of the breakers on one side, and the other half of them on the other side. So each 110v circuit gets power from one of the two hot sides and neutral.
Powerline adapters generally work well when they're both plugged into circuits on the same side of the breaker panel, but not very well when one adapter connects to a breaker on one side, but the other adapter connects to a breaker on the other side.
There are bridge/coupler devices (really just capacitors), which can be installed in your breaker panel, to couple high frequency signals from one side to the other, but you're probably better off just moving one of the breakers to the other side of the breaker panel. If that's not an option, look on the usual online shopping sites for "X10 phase coupler / signal bridge."
As i pointed out in my video of this Coax device, DO NOT put them on the same line as your cable modem or anything else, they need to be 100% isolated. These are NOT MOCA adapters.. :)
MoCA adapters would be better option so you wouldn't have to worry about it. Also, some newer cable modems by the cable companies have MoCA built in.
BUT moca adapters are 3x the price. These are cheap and very effective, if installed correctly. @@Darkk6969
I utilize Power Line Ethernet to utilize a WiFi extender in an area of the house where just having it as a mesh WiFi unit itself on WiFi was not a good solution and it works great. ✅
the ones using the moca protocol (moca adapter) eventually there will be the moca 3.0 adpaters out which those wil go as high as 10GBPS but the speed this can get up to is pretty much moca 2.5
I've been using MoCA adapters for years now and they've been rock solid. I just speed tested 940Mbps on a gigabit connection over MoCA, they're basically magic.
MoCA is the better version of coax adapter. The one you reviewed is proprietary.
Been using the TP-Link Powerline adapters for a few years with clients etc, they work very well and handy when not being able to run Ethernet 👌🏻
I use Googles Wi-Fi extenders which do have a Ethernet port as well as setting up a secondary network through out the home.
I tried different brands of powerline adapters all performing really badly. Then discovered the MOCA adapters and now I have 2.5 GB internally and 250 MBit externally. Router is in the cellar, power users (Kids with gaming PCs) are on the second floor.
Anyway, thanks for the good review
I have been using the poweline Ethernet adapters for years, and they have been great. Running Cat6 hasn't been an option for me.
I have a TP-Link AV2000 connected to an 8-port switch, which is connected to my home server, work laptop, Home Assistant Yellow, etc. Then I have TP-Link AV1000s connected to my IP cameras. The speed has been more than adequate for all of my needs.
Used the powerline way in my flat for years, way better than WiFi but still no match for my hardwired CAT7 house now. For 99% of the time is was great BUT when an adapter loses it's connection it's a pain in the butt to get it running again, and that was with only 3 adapters total.
Its not necessarily the same breaker, its the same leg of the biphase power panel.
for me, the best are ethernet cables and fibers. I use all my line using them. for me reliability and stability are the top priority. I use cat 6 shielded for my main cable, and using UTP cat 6 as patch cable from the main cable.
why? because mixing up media can make troubleshooting pain in the rear.
will the powerline communication or coax media converter run? yes it will run, and can help you avoid many obstacle, but many things can go wrong in my opinion.
but hey if it's works for you, go for it.
great video as always!
well I'll try out it across panels from main house to garage, been on my list to test for years, may as well try it out!
if you're lucky and live in a new house with fresh high quality cables that are all in 1 loop... then sure.. for anything else, wifi will often beat it into the ground ...In my house for example, it's split into 3 loops from the fuse box.... anything not on the same loop, gets zero signal
Yes these have been out for a while. In my experience they suck. I have tried them several times in different places sometime they run well most of the time they don't. My house had cable installed R-6 wiring so i used moca adapters. Check them out if you have problems with these and your wired for cable tv.
I thought that was all just a myth. I am in complete awe.
Been surviving on powerline adapters for years. Until one died, and I was unable to purchase a replacement (in Bangkok about 6 months ago). Which pushed me to install cat6 instead 😅
As a cable tech that sees existing coax runs daily, please check your coax connectors before trying mocha. If the connector is sucked out you will have snr/lost packet issues
And if you are using the actual coax for TV, will it induce noises into the network? DOCSIS 3 type networks are still pretty sensible about that iirc.
@@Traumatreeyes it will render any existing tv cable system unusable if connected to the same system. Keep them separate
Also that chart is showing you cable loss and estimates at certain transmit rates. If transmitting at 30db then footage. Big word of caution here, this table is for rg6 cable only, in a perfect world. Probably wouldn’t be a huge deal for most, but in a big homes or homes with rug 59 cable it could make a difference
My mom ran like a 200 meter ethernet cable from her room (on one side of the house) and the csble traveks to my room (ehich its in the complete opposite of my house) and im able to run mulriple devices on like a NAS. no extension / powerline adapter required
These devices have come a long way since the versions that I tried a long time ago. Intel came out with some a long time ago also that were "home Internet sharing" over phone line and offered a blazing 1Mbps! Look up Intel AnyPoint Home Network. Ethernet over powerline has been a better option than over Coax in most places because coax can be spliced along the way in hidden locations and mess it up. For powerline ethernet, you can get a phase coupler to combine A & B phase to allow inter-phase communications.
I have great experience with cable tv wiring and moca adapter. 1gbs
I used powerline adapters for a wile but the speed was not good.
I ended up using a mesh Wi-Fi System that gave me 60MB/s that was 10 times faster than the powerline units.
I live in a apartment building that only has coaxial cables running on the walls.
This technology is been proved enough to say that if you care about speed and reliability don’t even try this
I use the Ethernet over power line and it works decent but at times it stops working for no apparent reason.
Will the coax option work with VLANs? I am running unifi equipment and wondering if these would drop the VLAN tags
I got away from the FBI... Due to secondary wifi NAS!!!!!
I do actually use powerline networking to connect wireless access points that are mostly for IoT or low bandwidth applications in places I dont want, or just cant be bothered to, find a better way out to them, like my shop, I dont give two flying mouse turds of the smoker or 3d printer out there takes a bit longer to tell me my bullshit is done, I already have other ways i can find out anyway like walking my lazy ass out there.
I'd wager to say that the speeds advertised would be link local speeds between devices on your network. An iPerf3 test should show the proper speeds.
Yeah I did some iperf after and it was roughly the same bandwidth (latency was lower tho)
Funny enough. I just bought moca 2.5 adapters and installed them up yesterday. Speeds were almost gigabit, however I had a 4ms between my office and my router
If you have a TV on your patio, outside of Wifi range, it sounds like you need outdoor access points.
I have one…the built in wifi module on that tv is WiFi 4 tho. It’s cheeks.
@@RaidOwl see now you need TP-Link to send you another outdoor one, and test how it works being fed by the power line adapter.
@ 1:06 - Price 64.99 ... Item Weight: 2 Grams ...
100% accurate
@@RaidOwl Weight of the Electrons included? It's actually about 1/2 as the Price of Gold ~ 61,000 USD per Kilogram
Why is moca making such a splash? It’s been usable for around for a decade.
Not sure 🤷🏻♂️ You’d think it would fade away with Ethernet runs becoming more common in new builds
It's hitting the range of affordablility for the consumer,
This isn't a powerline video is it? I'd be amazed if your subs aren't aware of this 20 year old technology...no offence, I usually love your videos.
Yeah well every video I make isn’t gonna please everyone all the time 🤷🏻♂️
@@RaidOwl exactly, guess I’m just looking for a solution that doesn’t exist to wire up my 150 year old house that has solid walls throughout
With the way wifi is going it won’t even be able to pass through a sheet of paper soon
It's not hard to run ethernet. These things usually suck.
Cool
It depends on your house lol
You definately have NO idea how this works.
It’s just 2 wireless mesh ap’s connecting to each other and giving at cable experience.
Has NOTHING to do with your electrical system…!!!!
Nothing about it is wireless. I'm impressed at how confidently wrong you are.
@@RaidOwl you’re so wrong. Try setting up a diesel generator in your garden. Connect on part to there and the other to your Home electrical wirering… they will connect to each other. Trust me on this…
NO APPLIANCE IN THE WHOLE WORLD GOEST THROUGH YOUR ELECTRICAL WIRERING…
Put down the crack pipe
So, is that really the direction this channel is heading? Only sponsored content, adds, and that's all? Really? No more content about home-lab hacks, just as a hobby?
Lol
These are lovely devices, and they work well. That having been said ... run the damn ethernet cable. It's time consuming but it is always the best option.
It is but if you're a renter then these adapters are better option.
The experience I have with those devices is, if they are not on the same circuit, throughput is abysmal or not working at all because of all the other factors you listed, namely line noise.
Also, even on the same circuit, thoughput is around the equivalent of being on an old 10/100Mbps switch - you better use WiFi at that point.
That's why I am not using them anymore.
Edit: I didn't know (or thought) about the Coax devices though! I will check that out since that speed bandwidth is much more tolerable.
That’s what I thought going into this but I was proven wrong 🤷🏻♂️
@@RaidOwl The ones I have used over 4-5 years ago were D-Link DHP-P600AV, so maybe newer one are doing better.
@@RaidOwlwhat's the problem with wireless Nas
@@chriswright8074 everything
@ 8:03 - The Chart:
1st Column - Left Hand Side Blue - the Frame Size used (= Packet Size)
2nd Column - Speeds at 373m - with 30dB loss
3rd Column - Speeds at 580m - with 40dB loss
etc
The electrical Ethernet is fine for one or two devices but after that it sucks. I used it around my house and periodically one of the devices would go offline and I would have to unplug and plug it in again for it to connect again. After about two years of that I ran Ethernet cables to the whole house where I needed network. Must better.
If your house isn't wired correctly, well it won't work either. Found that out , the hardware.
Never user ethernet powerline adapters, it causes so much interference in a radius of 200 meters. The radio spectrum is completely filled up. These things should never have been allowed. It's junk. Seriously don't use it.! As for MOCA go ahead if that works for ya.
I put CAT5 in when I was building my house but there were some areas that I didn’t cover as well as I should have. I also had coax thrown in for all our satellite TV coverage. Fortunately, that got to places that I didn’t wire LAN. When DirecTV switched over to digital, coax to ethernet converters on several of my circuits. I bought more converters and splitters, and added more portions of the house to the network. I was skeptical, but I actually have pretty good speeds and reliability. (I have had the opportunity to upgrade some of my cabling, and will probably try and replace some of the coax at some point in the future. For now, I am happy.)
Thanks for sharing.