Eldrazi Winters vs 12 Post
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.ย. 2024
- What swiftly banned, big mana Eldrazi deck is the best in Modern's history? Richard and Seth battle Eldrazi Winter vs. 12-Post to find out!
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I cannot express enough how great these paper gameplay videos are. There is just something special about live gameplay with paper magic.
Glad you like them!
Fully agree. It feels so much better 😊
It's because mtgo is ugly af. It's a good platform for gameplay, but visually ugly
I'm too indoctrinated with arena. I can barely watch mtgo or paper games. Without Seth's commentary I wouldn't have finished the video
@@tylerblalack6684 I still struggle with the lack of interaction with the other player in arena, having only cheesey emotes to communicate, so the banter really does help these paper matches stand out
Glimmerpost doesn't ETB tapped, which could have really changed a lot of plays...
WAIT IT DOESN'TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT??????
bruh that deck was quite dumb
@@kylarcheng1346 Yep. 12-Post is obscenely consistent and Seth isn't even playing the strongest list before it got banned.
If it was off of prime time, it does enter tapped.
@@gabeb9495 seth played it a few times as his land for turn
Ofc he misplayed lmao
Evetime Seth had glimmerpost enter tapped I died a little inside
I feel like he lost that Bo5 entirely because he kept making glimmerpost enter tapped, even from hand.
I mean. I love watching Seth's videos just for his misplays. It doesn't feel like an MTGGoldfish video if there aren't many many misplays. I'm here for the authenticity.
It comes in tapped off prime time
@@The_Smartest_Witch And he played them from his hand tapped, too.
These are quickly becoming my favorite goldfish videos! I would love to see 2006 legacy vs 2024 modern!
Ohh, that could be a fun one!
Smart
@MTGGoldfish A little later than 2006, but I think the first Delver of Secrets deck would be a good legacy candidate. That card was such a format mainstay for a long time, and now not even all "Delver" decks play Delver.
It was exciting seeing this match-up in Card Market's "Best Modern Deck Ever" series, and I am excited to see it again here! Interested to see how 12-Post will hold up this time without Amulet of Vigor to speed it up and Scapeshift to really cheat all the Locus in play.
the legacy deck hasnt played either in many years- the cards are kind of a trap compared to just playing more ways to find prime time and emrakul or jump ahead on land drops
Card Market has all the decklist of the best modern deck ever in there website. So you can build all the decks yourself and play them against each other! Or you could proxie them all ^^
I think reimagining old modern decks with 2024 cardpool like Seth said for 12 post is a fantastic idea and I wholeheartedly support it
Seems like could be a super fun series
The play/draw disparity is so amplified at these power levels; so gross that every game was pretty clearly decided by who went first.
2024 standard right now feels the same
i wonder whatd happen if they added a hearthstone coin. would it become broken for on the draw? maybe fast combo decks would become too op
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@@galacticgamer6635 A lot of Standard matches are over before turn 6, it has been that way since Mirrodin Block.
“If you built modern cloudpost in 2024, how much stronger would it be”
Very interested in seeing this as a video!
Cardmarket did a tournament for the strongest modern deck and 12post won
@@Kristjan0209spoiler alert! 🤯😭😬😡
@@Kristjan0209 yeah I saw that, but it was playing a list from 2012 if I remember right. I mean classic best decks, with modern day cards and/or deck building!
@@Agentao the point was that it doesn't even need upgrades to beat newer decks
The forest rip off the top after the See'er just shows there is no thoughtseize bug, the universe just has a sense of humor.
And then also the green suns rip. The universe was having fun this video
@@ther3aper561 haha busted out when the happened again
Justice for eldrazi running crazy hot. Turn 1 Mimic into turn 2 Thought-Knot isn’t supposed to happen that often.
There was a camera cut there. Makes me think he didn't actually draw it lol. 4:43
39:05 correct play here is to dismember the oblivion sower in response to the mimic triggers. Sower would be a 0/3 so Mimic's would not become 5/8s
Isn't it better to actually kill something rather than just shrine Mimic for a turn? It is a cool trick though.
@@MTGGoldfishOr to hit a mimic, prime time blocks and kills the smasher but not a mimic with sower's stats.
@MTGGoldfish It's debatable. If you hit the Sower, because Richard was empty-handed at that point, while he could, in theory, find a big Eldrizi & do that same turn again, you ultimately save yourself more life by making it so that turn, Richard didn't have any good attacks.
i love these classic deck face-off, I have only heard about these crazy decks but actually never see a live breakdown of these decks
Card Market has also done a tournament series of the best modern (and I believe also the best standard) decks of all time, definitely recommend checking them out if you enjoyed these videos
Would like to see a last game where you both play a 2024 version of the deck with the new tech that has been released. IE amuletpost vs MH3winter
The folks over at Cardmarket did a "best deck ever" series for modern. The finals of the entire tournament ended up being Eldrazi Winter vs. 12 Post, with 12 Post winning it all.
I really enjoyed the GOAT magic you guys a few years back. Glad to see a paper variant since it was fun to watch the first time.
Best MTG content creators!! Love you guys so much! Goals this year....listen to every podcast and every TH-cam video! Keep it going guys the community really loves you!
Thanks!
I just realized the icons in upper left corner on Futuresight frames are the same icons used in MTG Arena card filter for card types. I just now put those two together.
Yup! I believe future sight was the first use of those symbols for the card types, and they've appeared a few places ever since.
20:00 Dryad Arbor is in every GSZ-Deck since you can Zenith it with X=0 on t1
Actually baffled how Seth didn't know this.
@@connorhamilton5707 he make that play in this vid
@@Dext3rM0rg4n Yes, but at the timestamp op posted, he was wondering why Dryad Arbor was in the deck at all.
These are my FAVORITE! I hope that these videos do well/keep making them. Thanks
Maybe one day we can get Memory Jar versus Mirrodin Affinity.
Ohh, that would be a good one.
Oof. The Glimmerposts entering tapped hurts my heart.
Also, game 3 - Richard didn't sacrifice Ghost Quarter. He just tapped it. Sure, Richard won right after, but still...
OMG YOU ARE DOING IT! These straight up make my day!
"Kill me from 27 Richard, or face your demise next turn, Emrakul is coming"
Danm that was a badass line xD Love you guys for doing these kind of content. I always wanted to see a full match of 12 post vs Eldrazi Winter
Some post video thoughts :
1. Did you guys both forget you played this match in GOAT magic and 12 post absolutely ruined eldrazi winter...?
2. Amulet was played in 12 post in a slightly later version, considered the better version but the defenders of this version might be actually better vs winter.
3. Would be very interesting to see a modern interpretation of those decks, using the core ideas with all avaliable banned or not banned cards in modern.
Yeah but that's 7 years ago, it's so old, of course they can reuse the topic and make a new better video that shows the decks off.
@@livedandletdie I am fine with them remaking it, it's just that they made a lot of remarks about how the match went that feel like they forgot how it went last time.
They can play this every week for all I care, I liked watching it.
Not usually a fan of webcam magic but seeing you both collect or rent old banned decks to play out possible feature match ups is nice.
Love, love, love seeing actual cardboard games here. Please keep this style of video coming guys. Much love.
Eye of Ugin definitely is the card which made eldrazi winter work. Sure eldrazi temple is good, but the mana cheating was what enabled the incredible fast starts that coud kill on turn 3. Almost every other card in the deck feels like it has been crept by other cards which do the same thing but with less restriction to archetype. I think a good point was made that cloudpost has a better matchup against newer decks since almost no deck can beat a turn 5 emrakul. Post's biggest weakness was always dedicated land destruction which is kind of rare, or aggro that can get under it, which this matchup really showed. If richard went second and just didn't draw enough aggro then post won consistently.
I love these modern playoff games. Keep it up guys!
I love 12 post and would love to see what it would look like now if not banned because of some of the new cards.
it would be 4 rings 4 karns 4 kozi commands
I love this series! Keep up the great work!
Love seeing both paper gameplay and these dives into broken decks 😮😮 though it is weird that 12-Post wasn't running Amulet b/c the version Cardmarket played in the Best of Modern tournament did run 4 Amulet :O
Would you ever show us how you're able to get recordings that look this good, for those who want to also improve their spelltable setup?
Love these videos! Now do one with 2024 updated versions!
Commenting before watching just because I love that paper play content. This matchup was one of the best games in Cardmarkets best deck in Modern video, so my hype is real^^
Love 12 post. One of my all-time favorite decks.
LETS GOOO, love these GOAT magic style videos, so much fun!!
I would love to see a tournament of all of the banned decks rebuilt with 2024 cards. 12 post from 2024 sounds scary
Legit best series ever. Get to see nostalgia decks plus how broken/unfair some decks were prior to bans
Love the best decks against themselves series. Always make sure to come back and watch. Like, comment. Keep them coming.
Fun matchup as always!
Would be cool to see other banned decks like Splinter Twin, or Eggs compete against a top modern deck of today (as they have been compared to Nadu - Splinter Twin comboing one turn later than Nadu and Eggs having a similar experience for the opponent).
A Dark Depths or Lantern deck would also be cool to see if they'd hold up against the MH3 meta!
I would love to see this match up again but with updated deck list like they would be legal today in modern.
These vids are just amazing, would love to see more on similar theme!
These "then vs now" gameplay videos are pretty fun to watch! and really shows how much the game has shifted, but stayed the same over all this time.
This was a great video of a battle between two classic decks.
Hey Richard sir!
Thank you for posting more paper magic I love this series! Commenting and liking to show my support! Also Seth please re-do some upgraded budget modern decks!
Love the commentary and this idea of a video and execution. Great job!
Love these paper 1v1 vids!!!! Keep it up
Dryad Arbor is in the deck to tutor with Green Sun's Zenith as 1 mana ramp.
fun to see the more aggro Eldrazi Winter against cloudpost compared to the UW version from the cardmarket series
Here i was trying to remember where else i have seen this recently, so that was it.
I would love to see someone build 12 Post in essentially current modern with only Cloudpost unbanned.
I feel like hangerback walker would be an all star in cloudpost😊
Card market also had a similar video that’s also fun to watch
Great content! Love your attitudes and commentary!
I used to have a locus commander deck where I would make the land into a creature then use copy effects on the creature lands. A cloudpost with a helm of the host on it is a ton of fun.
Seening those old decks back in action is definitely fun, but as mentioned, it might also be nice to see an updated version of them with all the current cards which would improve the decks
On magiccardmarkets best modern card tournament these decks met in the finals but with them 12-post came out on top so I guess the match-up is really close.
It would be awesome to seeing Legacy 12 post vs Eldrazi next time 😊
Thank you for making this type of video I'm commenting for the algorithm!
I LOVE these videos. Great stuff guys, would love to see more.
Idk if Seth wins game 3 but Glimmerpost tapped not played off of Primetime hurt a lot of plays.
This reminds me of the awesome tournament videos you made with Crim :) the best deck bracket thingee
I would love to see you all take these banned decklists and update them with current cards to see how much stronger they would become.
As a commander player, this was fun and interesting to watch!
Love this style of video! Keep up the good work guys.
This was really fun to see, but I feel like seth's list for 12 post wasn't as powerful as ones I've seen before. The list that took the cardmarket championship for best modern deck of all time seemed to be even faster and more consistent. Eldrazi winter deck was suprisingly disruptive though for being essentially an aggro deck.
Also to me the decks seemed very equal. Whoever went first won.
12-Post in 2024 would have access to so many tools that didn't even exist when it was banned that I doubt it would be healthy for the format. Scam would probably be its hardest matchup but 12-Post can go the distance and out-grind decks that can't close out a game quick.
This takes me back when Conley Woods and Travis Woo used to absolutely dominate og modern with magical Christmas land decks
I genuinely love these videos.
Rules check: Can generic mana be used to cast a spell with a colorless symbol?
Generic mana now only exists in costs, all cards/abilities that produce mana either make colored or colorless mana.
@@Shimatzu95Better explanation thank you
All lands that add "Generic mana" have been erata'd to make colorless mana
Came to the comments for this. I didn't know this until now
"Generic mana" has only ever been a cost, not a type of mana you can generate. Colorless mana and generic mana costs shared the same symbols for a long time, and required context to know which was which. Because of this, there still seems to be some confusion about the difference.
If you want to look at the evolution of how colorless mana was represented, look at various printings of cards like Sol Ring, that generated colorless mana in early sets. First printings spelled it out with no symbol, then the numbered mana symbol was adopted for colorless mana, and finally colorless mana got its own symbol in Oath of the Gatewatch.
I would love to see a follow-up on this with "no banlist" versions using the current card pool
I don't know why dryad arbor is in the deck. You do know green sun's zenith for 0 gets the arbor right? Also glimmerpost doesn't come in tapped.
I really need Seth to read glimmerpost. It doesn't come into play tapped
I'm loving these non-Arena, non-EDH gameplay videos! When are we getting some legacy content, new or old?
I dunno if it's feasible, but I would love to see historical versions of these decks face off alongside "modern" versions of what they would be and see if the match up still ends the same way
You should do a tournament of banned OP decks like this. I saw the Nadu v Hogaak and watching this I'm just left wonder "how would either of those decks do against either of these decks?"
I would love to see this series expanded on and see these decks fight 2024 decks. Then, see them upgraded to fight against 2024.
Love the series. Would love to see with some banned legacy or vintage decks
I like the content. Personally I think this would be more interesting with decklists updated with new cards.
i love that Richard found a way to play and enjoy modern while avoiding the Nadu meta (even though he and Seth literally played Nadu last time)
Dudeeee I love this series!
Anyone else think they stacked Richard's deck to make it not suck as much? The same T1, T2 4 out of 5 games? Seth needs to grab the hypergeometric calculator!
I thinka few more games would have shown 12-post better cus Richard was running hot.
I'm not convinced that Eldrazi was better than 12 post. Each game was won by who went first. I think the matchup is very close.
And I don't know that either decklist was optimal, even from the cardpool of their era.
I also would like to see a rematch, maybe with both trying to optimize with current cardpools (plus their banned cards).
cloudpost used amulet after the protour mentioned that drastically increased its speed, but when they last did this (goat magic 7 years ago) when eldrazi winter was banned cloudpost won this handedly, the piloting mistakes here (playing glimmerpost tapped and fetching glimmerposts when life isnt at risk and slowing himself down a turn) just really slowed cloudpost down.
Is there a reason to choose colorless eldrazi over red blue eldrazi since that variant was the winner?
Is there any plans to play this decks but updated with modern cards? it would be great to see how this decks would work with power creep in mind
Love these Seth vs Richard Modern Videos. What about playing the current meta too? Say boros energy vs mardu energy or boros energy vs 2024 eldrazi?
which is better between cloudpost and any modern deck is answered by looking at the fact that its the deck that still exists in legacy, so if those decks dont its probably a big sign
Both these decks look like a blast to play... Kinda makes me wanna turn my Hazel deck into Eldrazi Squirrels XD
Would love to see the strongest Legacy deck of all time vs the strongest Modern deck of all time
I love these videos, I hope you do one with pioneer inverter
Can we get an updated 2024 version of these decks with the banned cards too just to see the power up
Big fan of this series
Can we see a rematch where the cores of the decks are the same, but you both make some modern updates?
I'd love to see these decks with no bans attempt to with upgraded sideboards/removal to fight current modern decks. Then maybe update them fully to see if they are still a menace in the metagame.
I'm glad both decks had a chance to demonstrate how gross they can be.
So Eye of Ugin is so much better than Ugin's Lab. Don't get me wrong Ugin's Lab is really good and I am happy to have it in modern. But the ability to just use Eye of Ugin to play like 8 creatures on turn 1 is just nuts. Also the more cards you cast a turn while Eye of Ugin is out you keep getting that discount of 2 mana Where as Ugin's Lab you can use it once maybe twice if you have multiple.
I really wanna see a Sorin Glimmerpost deck now
Love the paper vids!! Also Seth you gotta go watch some posts gameplay from other formats. I think some of the post math could be even more impressive
Would love to see these decks with 2024 updates. Maybe keeping it to no more than 10 - 12 cards so they stay somewhat the same and not just becoming whole new decks.
I kinda want you guys to do a runback on this episode and come up with a version (or multiple versions) of these decks but with more recent cards.
Just to note, IIRC Richard had turn 2 Thought Knot every single game. He definitely high rolled that.
28:15 take one of the eldrazi to make Seth shuffle away his prime time
Its killing me that Seth keeps putting Glimmerpost into pkay tapped from his hand. Wonder how much it would have changed the games if it was played right.