Re-Issue: Everything Wrong With The Hobbit: The Desolation Of Smaug
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- Yes, you have probably seen this before. Hence the "Re-Issue" part of the title. We have made a sacrifice to the gods of online video and are now able to bring back to life our sins video for The Hobbit: The Desolation Of Smaug. We hope you enjoy it as much the second time around as you did the first.
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"Do you (elves) ever arrive *before* an attack?"
They did exactly once, at Helm's Deep.
They learned they had to arrive early from this movie. Ha!
Technically in the books I don't think they even did that!
@@animewarrior3 no they didn't haha
I mean, I was fine with it since it's cool to see elves in combat..
But they were from Galadriels clan.. the Noldor..
Which means they're aaaaaaaaancient, the fuckers that fought armies of balrogs and melkor, the real dark lord, Sauron was his pussy henchman haha
They wouldn't have had any problems
But that aside, for the film it was totally fine
11:12 love the indignation
@@KaladinVegapunk Well, even super experienced soldiers can only go so far. Discipline and experience don't stop you from getting tired eventually, or falling when you're hit.
3:56 You're right about this, but everybody wrongfully blames Peter Jackson. As a matter of fact, there was studio interference and they wanted more emphasis on a love triangle. Jackson wanted to focus more on the actual adventure
Thank you! I cannot emphasize how much it annoys me when people automatically blame Peter Jackson for everything! The studio interfered! A lot! Do your research! Arghhhhhhhh!
christopher tolkein said in an interview why he doesn't and his grandfather wont like the lotr, that jackson was too faithful in the books. so i believe thats the reason why hobbit is more different from the book with a lot of additions
@@mustardeater3187 What does J.R.R. Tolkiens dad possibly not liking the LOTR films have to do with changes made to the story in the Hobbit films?
@@mustardeater3187 nope the hobbit is mess because it was a studio cash grab. Where the director and studio flight over goals etc.
The lord of the rings was a passion project. It shows in every scene and every line spoken in this movies. Also, lotr is a much better story
@@mustardeater3187 True but you are stil a nerd
"Is Middle Earth just Gandalf's personal life sized Doll House?"
Actually it kinda is, yeah. It's canon.
Actually, it's more like Eru Iluvatar's playhouse with wizards as landlords.
what does that mean?
@@avivastudios2311 I believe they're talking about gandalf being a Maia (immortal beings created to protect Middle Earth if I remember my lore correctly xd)
@@yomama8935 istari, yeah. You have Eru at the top, he created the universe, then the Valar, some of whom came down to middle earth, then their servants are the maiar, Sauron and the balrogs are all fallen maiar who served Melkor, then you have the istari who are maiar given human form to walk middle earth and push events to happen in the right way. Gandalf is an istari, along with Saruman, Radagast, and the mysterious blue wizards who get like two mentions ever.
Yeah Gandalf is one of the many gods in middle earth
The fact that he didn't remove at least one sin for Smaug's design and Benedict Cumberbatch's performance is astonishing
Nerd of the past
Only the first scene is impressive
The Eagles only owed Gandalf one favor. Not only that, Eagles are easily seen by anyone and could alert anyone as to where they're going. Whole point of walking, and the purpose of the Fellowship in LOTR, is secrecy.
Then what of the other two times the eagles help Gandalf? Saving him from atop isengard or fighting the Nazgul's flying monsters.
Sorry, general observation. I haven't read any of the books (I need to, huh.).
Filly Rarity the eagles weren't even supposed to help Gandalf that much. Tolkien himself said that the Eagles were a dangerous plot device that he used when had no better option. its Peter Jackson that is abusing them
***** I personally throw it to the Maguffin issue. You use one magical device to write your way out of a problem and then it only creates more.
Glad you didn't sin Smaug too much, he and Bilbo were saviors of this trilogy
And then went on to reboot everyone's favourite detective
Smaug cgi, Benedict and Martin saved this movie form being terrible. Real mvps. Also Ian McKellen tried his best
yeah, except they missed the fact that the guards and townspeople were conveniently absent when the orcs went clambering across the rooftops
I thought loving Smaug is a weird and personal thing to me, glad that everyone agree hahaha
The trilogy never needed saving
"Use your fucking fire" literally me
Fire on cooldown, lol
fairytail rocker not enough mana
fairytail rocker he can't use it every time.
Rooting for the dragon I see
To be fair we all have that useful video game ability or power up that we forget to use.
this is the problem with prequels if there is an iconic character in there they can't die so any action scene that they are in means nothing
But sometimes it's fun to see their asses kicked.
Legolas isn't in the book. I saw the movie poster for the first time and I was like "Wait, what???" I agree it makes sense he'd be there, but I feel like he got in more because of the actor's popularity.
the hobbit is trash. It's extremely hard to watch
Danny Cam Legolas is in the books
Enderboy His dad and him are yummy. In my view he is worth keeping around xD
+500 sins for having Smaugs death not in this movie because of the unnecessary love story
+Aaron Morton who is "Smoug"? seems the only thing unnecessary here is your comment
seriously? its just a miss spelled name. In a joke comment. Smaug. Smoug. who cares? lol
+Aaron Morton I care. J.R.R. was a great author for Britain and you offend me by spelling it wrong.
+SupaWoofa Collie He was actually from Rhodesia, modern-day Zimbabwe, although think it was part of the Empire at the time.
+Corporal Porpoise he was from south africa :) (THATS WHERE I LIVE!!!)
how Smaug know Thorin was called Oakenshield? He got that name in battle of Moria, when Smaug bathed in that sea of gold
I'm pretty sure that the line Smaug gives "A darkness is coming" is hinting to that he's already heard from "the necromancer" aka Sauron, and so he's probably heard mention of Thorin Oakenshield
Oh my gosh you're right. Plot holes, man: something that Tolkien could have fixed with a sentence or by not *even putting it in there in the first place, I'm looking at you, PJ*.
sauron and smaug are at the very least acquainted because gandalf only sent them to erebor so they could distract smaug and he couldnt come to dol guldurs aid
Nam Ngô read the fucking book
Roch Waleczny Bad day?
You forgot a sin: In the first movie, the bird smashing a nut against the mountain is enough to wake Smaug, but the dwarves trying to smash the hidden door with their swords and axes is obviously not loud enough!
I never noticed that! 😂😂😂
My problem with the Tauriel/Kili love story is that they only shared a few lines of dialogue together. There was not enough build up to make it a "tragic love story". When Kili died at the end of BOTFA and Tauriel was crying I felt nothing. They only had like 3 separate conversations in 2 movies. I'm not opposed to adding characters and new relationships but at least make it meaningful. Make the audience feel something.
Thanks for the spoiler D: lol I've got the book I should really read it hahaha
oops sorry. The book is really good, one of my favorites actually. The movies are good too.
Daniel Lincoln-Smith Snape kills Dumbledore
Dani Marie
Agreed. I actually think it's a potentially good idea to add Tauriel's character and the amorous involvement with one of the youngest (and, in this film, handsomest) dwarves in the Company. But they really didn't develop it enough, and with nearly 11 hours' film counting special addition bonus scenes, there's really no excuse
Jacob Hoss It really is a shame because they could of done it so much better. It is what it is I guess.I still love the three movies despite the flaws.
4:12 "..and, luckily, they were speaking english and not elvish"
I'm pretty sure that, even if they were speaking elvish (as they probably did), the ring would have made Bilbo understand what they were saying, just as he understood what the spiders were saying a few moments ago.
Ugh. The ring does NOT translate languages.
Luke SkyOtter I do believe it does. However, the point is that it's inconsistent to criticise how convenient it is that the elves were speaking English, and not also criticise how convenient it is that the spiders start talking English the moment Bilbo puts the ring on his finger.
Martin Årvik
Whoa pretty sure it doesn't translate languages at all.
Luke SkyOtter
Martin Årvik
Actually, in the LotR (books) it is suggested that the One Ring gives the wearer the power to understand strange languages. When Sam puts on the ring he can understand what the Orcs are saying. "He heard them both clearly, and he understood what they said. Perhaps the Ring gave understanding of tongues, or simply understanding, especially of the servants of Sauron its maker, so that if he gave heed, he understood and translated the thought to himself."
Incongruent I Damn you remembered that? Did you google or always keep your copy of Return of the King with you?
This is easily the best of the Hobbit movies. Smaug is portrayed to absolute perfection by Benedict Cumberbatch, and his interactions with Bilbo are incredibly entertaining.
Nerd
@@realshinydragonite1598 I despise the Hobbit movies, and I despise this movie the most.
I know this isn't important and that these videos are meant to be jokes but I have to point out in Sin #36, while wearing the ring Bilbo has some understanding of various languages (like with the spider language?) so most likely those elves WERE speaking elvish and the ring just translated for Bilbo.
yep. they did in the books, although there bilbo stayed hidden in the castle for a week
if you read lord of the ring you'd know that the elves like Frodo because he can speak ancient elvish and he was taught by bilbo..
but it's not explained in the movie so your point is not valid
If you're observant and decent at reasoning, it shouldn't need explaining :) Bilbo couldn't understand the spiders until he put on the ring and considering the ring is supposed to make its wearer almighty, seems like letting it's wearer understand other Middle earth languages should be a given. I like when movies don't fully explain things but drop enough hints so observant viewers can figure it out.
Hey dude that logic falls out of the window when you take into account that when Bilbo took the ring off to announce his position to the spider, and then stabs it, the spider screams, "It stiiiiings!!!!" and Bilbo notes the term. Bilbo took the ring off BEFORE it screamed that so I call bullshit on that theory in the context of the movie.
the post-credits bit with Sherlock: I saw it coming, but it still made me chuckle.
I loved it because I can totally see Smaug as Sherlock , haha!😄
"Afternoon."
A.M. YES it's so good
I was hoping for it through the whole video
@Eliana Head you don't know what a spoiler is, do you?
At 10:50, gold has a pretty low melting point compared to most other metals, so a makeshift boat of steel wouldn't have melted. But yes, it would have been unbearably hot. Even the air around the molten gold would have been unbearably hot and probably damaging to the lungs.
But they're dwarves. They've been working and living in those circumstances for ages. I think that their bodies have already developed something against the heat.
Trimere "Bloody nerds! Why do they keep sharing information in entertaining situations? We should not be subjected to learning from them!"
Trimere Guys trying to sound above something nerdy that they zeroed in to watch. Check.
Trying to derail a harmless debate: Priceless.
Trimere HaHa! you got me there Trimere. (no sarc) It is ironic though that you're giving these guys a hard time for arguing minutia when this whole video is a guy nitpicking the plot holes in the film.
The coin biting thing actually works, if the gold is pure enough, you can actually dent it by biting.
Works with jewellery that have a high gold content.
4:49 Sounds like a... deus axe machina
Oh my god
Hahahahahaha
Lol XD
...2,3,4
(gold statue melts over Smaug) "What the f*ck is this bullsh*t?!"
That part killed me 😂
+BHarribo Plus 1 for Peter Capaldi
'Ich ka khraier ulundul' how s an elf supposed to do that? Hahahahaha
Like number 140 and you deserve every one of them.
Thing that is most wrong with this movie is that 80% of it doesn't follow book.
1. Radagast, Legolas and Tauriel don't appear in the book. In fact, Tauriel doesn't appear in any of the books and was invented solely for the movie.
2. Legolas and Tauriel serve no purpose in the overall plot of the movie.
3. Bilbo is main character in the book. In the movies, however, main characters are Gandalf and Thorin, while Bilbo has been reduced to mere secondary character.
4. If Legolas and Tauriel serve any purpose, Radagast serves to absolutely no purpose in the plot of the movies.
I feel like if the guy who does Cinema Sins ever chose to the a bad guy in a movie, he would win.
Nope, unless he wrote the movie.
Mikayla A. K. ***** I read your comments in the narrators voice **ding**
Mikayla A. K. It would be so easy to win as a bad guy in a movie:1.) Attack when you spot the good guys and see that they are vastly outnumbered or are highly vulnerable.
2.) Don't leave your evil plans lying around where anyone can find it, and don't talk out loud where anyone can eavesdrop.
The same with good guys:
1.) Don't wait and watch the bad guy get stronger or call for backup, do a roundhouse kick or whatever and KO the sucker.
2.) If you've mildly beaten the bad guy and he/she attempts to run away, don't waste that opportunity to finish the job by going to offer a hand to your teammates so they can stand up, even though it would have only taken them 2 extra seconds to do i on their own.
bigmattman2005
3rd for both
DONT FUCKING MONOLOGUE
Alejandro Escobedo Don't fucking monologue if you've got a giant on his back but not dead yet, therefore giving him time to leap back up and squash your head.
There’s a sin missing. When bilbo puts the ring on it allows him to understand the what the spiders are saying, then he takes the ring off but he’s still able to hear the spider say that “it stings”.
Make Hobbit Part 3!
Legolas defies gravity in that one.
Dark Prelate Mohandar and in Hobbit 3, that the only movie that legolas has no more arrows in the movie
Dark Prelate Mohandar When i saw the scene where he literally runs up a bunch of falling stones I imagined a "Ding!" with each step.
Amrit Singh It took him 5 movies to run out of arrows LOL.
Waleed Khan Ok that actually has an explanation in the universe though. Elves are practically weightless. Look back to the Fellowship of the Ring he fucking walks on shoulder deep snow lol
Paul SZ 6 movies actually! :D
I think a sin should be removed for Martin, notorious for flipping off cameras, managing to get a flip off into the film by removing the ring from his middle finger.
4:03 "and luckily they were speaking English, not Elvish." well, Bilbo was wearing the ring, so it probably was in elvish and he heard it in English. They even established the ring's ability to translate during the spider scene.
Do they explain that in the movie though? Because no matter how much your explanations make sense on the fudging TH-cam comment section, if that's not in the movie, then it is not part of the movie period.
Also are you still alive?
I unironically adore these movies. I don’t even really know why, I can see the flaws (though I don’t think they’re as big a deal as some make them out to be), but I could still sit down and watch this trilogy over and over again. I just love it. So much. It’s honestly a problem.
THANK YOU I feel the same
@@queenofqueen-4598 HOLY SHIT I SEE YOU EVERYWHERE ON WATTPAD AND NOW TH-cam?!😳😳
@@Mamsy_Wamsy HOLY SHIT THIS HAS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE WHAT??? YOUVE SEEN ME ON WATTPAD?? AND IM BAREY ON TH-cam, I-
@@queenofqueen-4598 YEA IVE SEEN YOUR ACC ON LIKE 15 DIFF STORIES💀💀😳
@@Mamsy_Wamsy well I- I get bored easily…
I can't believe he missed the part when Bilbo took the ring off and stabbed the spider, he could still hear it talking somehow.
+Jack Jackson that's the one part of the movie that gets me every time! it's such an obvious mistake. ugh.
right. That was a very lazy miss by the directors. i mean its as if it was supposed to happen but it simply is impossible.
The rings effect wears off. If you keep watching that scene, he drops the ring and fights that random creature, sits down after picking it back up and a feeling comes over him like he’s snapping out of it. To me that seems like the point where it wore off.
Am I the only one who was most outraged at the molten liquid gold being the color of... gold? The fuck is that shit?
Also, how the fuck does Smaug even *sink* into the gold? (That's not gold anyway!)
. . .
What colour is molten gold?
Magnus Rasmussen Considering the temperature of it, it's going to be a moderate orange color, but due to its emission intensity it will look pretty much yellow-hot.
zolikoff is pretty much right, it would be between orange (melting point, 1337K) and bright yellow (boiling point, 3243K).
OH MY GOD. The George Lucas-ification of the Lord of the Rings. That has got to be the most accurate statement I've heard about anything ever.
The molten gold bullshit literally ruined everything I had hoped for. That said, I'm almost surprised you didn't remove a sin for the Necromancer reveal.
And Guillermo del Toro became Steven Spielberg companion.
7:35 Fun fact, that horn is actually a real instrument called a Serpent. Serpents were used in Renaissance-era music as a precursor to modern brass instruments. Similar range to a baritone horn, though obviously more wooden sounding.
Wow. I thought that horn was just sheer fantasy. Nice to learn something new.
You know what's really funny? When Balin said the "Desolation of Smaug" line, I actually thought "roll credits" in my head as a knee-jerk response. xD
Also, Sherlock Holmes as a dragon...now that's a movie I'll watch! :D
njintau that's not really funny. It's not even a little funny. Douche.
keeganshigh damn, what's up with you?
@@keeganshigh What's so douchey about this comment?
It took a movie and a half to see smaug and it was worth it. Best movie dragon.
This movie woulda sucked ass if Smaug wasn't so awesome. Also Benedict Cumberbatch was perfect for him
I think they meant the best well-done "dragon" counting acting, special effects, CGI, etc.. As a character, Smaug is pretty stupid, not question about it. In the book he's even worse, as the dwarves fight less with the dragon and he goes straight to attack the town and.. third movie! At leat here we see the dwarves in actual danger even if it's cartoonish.
Brendan John Benedict Cumberbatch is perfect for most roles in my oppinion
David Dagnino Ah, that's what i can agree on
i would agree its the best movie dragon, but its the worst dragon movie
My sin is for the book to movie transition, in which they forgot the "King" part of kingsfoil. IT ONLY WORKS WITH THE KING OF GONDOR USING IT. THAT'S WHY IT IS CONSIDERED A WEED!
+Krazyguy75 so absolutely wrong..
Thomas Erlandsen So I read up on it. Elves know how to use it, but it is far less effective than in the king's hand.
It would not have helped his problem most likely, it's more like administering morphine, simply slowing the problem. Elven healing and the removal of the blade's shard saved frodo.
Krazyguy75
Actually Aragorn himself admit that he can not heal on the same level as Master Elrond and other elven Lords..(or Ladies... like Galadriel)
Thomas Erlandsen Wasn't a king at that point. When he was working in the houses of healing he helped cure the curse that resulted from killing the witch king.
Yes, but he did not become skilled at healing because of being the king... in fact the legend said they should know their king when he returned in the form of a healer
I think everyone is WAY to fricken critical of this. Yes, it isn't at all like the book in any way, but as a movie itself, it was pretty damn good. What is wrong with enjoying something that makes you happy and that you enjoy? Nothing, so let's all just take a chill pill because there's NOTHING we can do to change the movie and just enjoy it for what it is. It's a new spin off of an old story. Go read the book if you want the "perfect/genuine/real" version.
Because the movies and their developers pretend like they're movies directly out of the book by titling them The Hobbit, IF what you're saying is true about the movie adaptation being seperate from the original source material. Anger is also derived from the fact that many, including me, put their faith in Peter Jackson to 'film' the book. What did we have to worry though, pssh, I mean the guy brought the LotR series to the cinema in an amazing way. It pains people further that we, as the entire LotR and movie-going community, had ONE shot at making a successful adaptation and that this was the result. Also, it is more insulting when the director adds blatant filler (i.e. the unnecessary 20 minute or so battle with smaug at the end of this movies) or a tone or theme that wasn't a part of the original author's message (i.e. the dwelf romance, like wtf!?). I mean, what is the message to the inclusion of Tauriel and her and Fili's love subplot? Is it that love permeates all races or women can be warriors and equal to men or was it just to appeal to Hollywood's need to put love stories in EVERYTHING, even when it is not welcome nor needed. While I support the first two of my reasons in general (I don't like discrimination), Tolkien wasn't trying to teach people that and as for the third possible reason, I say fuck you Hollywood for saying that you would put a story on the big screen as accurately as possible (Mirkwood should technically be pitch-dark, but even I don't want to watch that)
Damn iPhones... -_-
As I was saying:
then not delivering on their self-proclaimed duty while still taking my money. I may be overreacting slightly, but it is the fact that Peter Jackson got away with so much disgrace to the original work and advertised it as nothing of that nature, that anger as well as criticism are justified.
Let's apply this to The Last Airbender. Many fans, such as myself, are angry that such a monstrosity exists, but in that situation no one defends the movie.
I think the anger occurs not just because a director fucks up the movie in the eyes of a good chunk of people, no, I think that it spawns from the fact that movies are scarce and it is not like you get a new Hobbit movie every five years. Or, it might be due to fans of the source material now having to deal with the 'fans' that have only watched the movies and therefore, due to the movie's inaccuracies, misrepresent the original author's/creator's vision and now misrepresent the community. I feel that this applies to any adapted movie and while some of what I have typed is based on principle, it also actively affects fandoms/authors and what they represent. Thank you for your time. These are just my interpretations of the issue at hand.
It's all about immersion and consistency of story and characters. If logical errors exist within either, then it breaks immersion and breaks the very essence of the story itself. Then it just becomes a nonsensical spectacle that you wind up regretting the time you spent on it. I dunno, I like stories that make sense in how they play out and don't wholeheartedly depend on timely coincidences to save characters from trouble, or rely on inexplicable plot devices to propel the story forward. If the characters are never actually threatened because they keep being saved all the time by things that don't make sense, then how are we supposed to feel anything for them at all? Lord of the Rings made more sense than what The Hobbit has so far.
I can completely see where you're coming from. But for me, I love the characters and the story so much, that just seeing or reading about either makes me happy, and even if there are "errors" in either the story or the characters, it doesn't make me regret the time I spent reading a story or watching the films. Its a spin off of the old story. No book made into a movie is ever going to be the same because every single person has different experiences and thoughts and reactions and feelings about the story, so I guess that's why I said why not just enjoy being able to see your favorite characters on screen instead of nit-picking the errors in the film. You also have to remember in order to get the most from the story, they made it into three films but the book itself is very short and Tolkien doesn't go into very much detail about some parts of their journey so we don't really know exactly what happens so just allow the freedom that the movies have. But again, I can completely see where you're coming from and agree with you on some levels. :)
Maddison Jourdain Yes, thank you for pointing out to me what the name of the channel is. I didn't notice. I just think a great deal of the so called "sins" in the video are just a bunch of crap. Doesn't mean I can't still like the channel and have an opinion. Also I love the Hobbit to death and feel really strongly about it, so that is why I mentioned it on this video. :)
At 4:10 the Elves are speaking Elvish but when the ring is put on it makes it so the user can hear it in their language. Thats why he could ear what the spiders were saying. Surely?
No m8. Stop the h8. Vid is gr8. Film is also gr8. Take knowledge and insert in cr8. CinemaSins ain't gonna take the h8.
T-Dawg Your rapping inspires me.
What the f is with their voices at 1:58?
T-Dawg gr8 speach m8 i r8 8/8
Possibly, but one part of the movie that bugged me was when he put the ring on and began to understand what the spiders were saying, why the hell could he still understand them when he took the ring off?
Loved the Sherlock "crossover" at the end.
you should sin the fact that the elf king wants to lock himself and his kin for safety but has walls so small that orcs can jump up them.
Iron's melting point is higher than gold, but yes it should be getting hot, though I believe dwarves are fairly heat resistant. But the director came out of a basket eating a carrot, what did you expect?
Jesus Christ!
Why are there so many people who can't read a fucking description or notice the "Re-Issue".
They shit directly into the lake.. So.. The fish.. Oh god.
+Kosta Stamenkovic And people are eating the fish, so they are eating their shit. And then shitting their shit. And then eating it again.
+MC DipperPines To be fair, fish also expel waste into the lake, so it's probably not any less unsanitary than eating unwashed fish anyway
One things u need to know about smaugs is he's ego dragons.. He believes nothing can kill him
1:13 - Bolg actually appeared in the book, he didn't play a big role but still was pretty important for the story. In the book during the Battle of Azanulbizar (or Moria) Azog was actually killed by Dain. Then in the Battle of the Five Armies Bolg, Azog's SON was the leader of the orcs and goblins :P
Though he was killed by Beorn
I understand the books don't matter in these videos, but yet again, the reason Bolg is, as you say, a "discount Azog" is because he's Azog's son. Plus, yes there is a forest in Middle-Earth without darkness upon is such as Lothlorien or the Old Forest. But I understand that from the perspective of an average movie-goer, they would believe the same as what you made a comment on.
Oh, and Bard is NOT a discount Inigo Montoya. The Hobbit (1937), The Princess Bride (1973)...
I'm not being negative towards the video at all, just pointing out some reason.
I agree. First off I actually like what they did with Bolg in the movie. He feels different to Azog but you can see he is related. It just wasn't explained in the movie. Secondly I think Bard in the movie is more of a discount Will Turner from POTC. xD
I liked this movie a lot but I wouldn't say loved like I did the first one or LOTR trilogy but I can see it growing on me. And also to be honest, even though I like the prequels (don't hate me), I don't think that Peter Jackson is turning into George Lucas. Lucas is a business man and always has been since the original trilogy and Peter Jackson is a film maker who in my opinion is one of the best. These movies are very difficult to balance. You have to please fans of the books as well as fans of the movies, plus make it still accessible for the general audience. Its a tough ask and I think no one could do it better than Jackson for the Hobbit.
Although I will admit, even as a Middle Earth fan, these movies could have been 2 rather than 3, but I'm not complaining as its just more Middle Earth films that I will watch over and over again. I love them! :)
***** Funnily enough, Orcs can reproduce sexually. There are references to orc children in the Hobbit and other books. Its not explained in the movie but to be honest that could be said for a lot of things in LOTR or any movie for that matter. xD
Um, he's saying the bard *looks* like a discount Inigo Montoya, as in the movies, I mean, there's like no argument here that the books don't matter in this case.
D4haka97 Most of the orcs look alike because the are all from the same place in Middle Earth. In LOTR, the armies of Sauron are made up of several different types of orc and are very different in appearance. I think Bolg is a little hard to tell between the other orcs. But he is much larger like Azog and is pretty intimidating at times. I actually like what Azog looks like too. One of the most memorable villains in the series for me. Hes completely white, there are deep scars all over his body and hes like 7 foot tall. I can't wait to see him and Bolg in Battle of Five Armies. :)
D4haka97 I said you can see they are related, but I didn't say that if you didn't know that then you could still tell. If I was just a regular movie goer then no I probably couldn't tell that they were related, but once you know, you can see the similarities.
Also its your opinion, but I personally think that people use the term "suck" far too mcuh and exagerate it for something that actually was not bad. The Hobbit movies have flaws for sure, more than LOTR but I wouldn't say that they suck balls. Batman and Robin, now that is a movie that sucked balls. I honestly don't get the hate. Either people are far too cynical, or they just hate them cos they're new? I don't know. I like them a lot, and I respect your opinion, but one movie? Seriously that would have been far too rushed. Two movies makes far more sense. Movies and books are completely different in structure and in context. You can give so much more inforamtion into a book than you can in a movie. I'm pretty sure if it had been one movie, then it would have been a messy jumbled and far to condensed version of it. Peter Jackson is not a bad film maker. The only reason it was three movies was mainly cos WB wanted another billion bucks from a third film.
I admit, both Hobbit films were padded out, but I'd rather have a much more rich and detailed movie thats longer than a shorter movie that is very quick. 2 films was the minimum to tell this story as it covers so much more in such a small amount of pages, and I think 3 is ok as long as its balanced right that I felt these movies did well for the audiance they had to cater for.
I was genuinely upset after I read the book. The Hobbit could have easily been one film (MAYBE two if you want to include everything). But the movies include tons of stuff to cater to LotR fans instead of the actual plot of the story. I understand that people are saying, 'Just enjoy the movie' but there are points that are just downright ridiculous and obviously pandering to LotR crowds that you just KNOW Tolkien wouldn't have written. It just makes me really sad. :\
I'm a LotR fan and I can't stand these films. The inclusion of Legolas just pissed me off. Someday, someone should remake this movie as it was WRITTEN by Tolkien and draw inspiration from Peter Jackson's original trilogy. He certainly can't do it right himself anymore. I guess the years of success and praise just turned him into another George Lucas.
Cool Guy you really have to read all the books, including the "unfinished tales". Theres a whole backround and side plots that exist all around these stories.
surely no-one is defending these movies with a straight face?
1:57 what's up with Bilbo and Gandalf's voices?
Maybe Bolg looks exactly like Azgog because Bolg is Azgog's son.
Maybe Azog shouldn't even be there because he's dead for the last 140 years or so? ;)
For real though...
Renji Abari I do mean for "real" :P Azog was beheaded by Dain II Ironfoot around 140 years before the Battle of Five Armies.
There are flashbacks of that battle in the movie, namely that was the Battle of Azanulbizar where Azog actually killed Thror, Thorin's grandfather, but Jackson had the story changed for whatever reason.
Azog should be dead and Bolg should be the leader. ;)
I know! They just made half that movie up.
Renji Abari Aye. Unfortunate.
I'd want stories from the Silmarillion and Unfinished Tales to be on the big screen, or at least maybe as disjoint miniseries or something... That would be fucking awesome.
Or at least that's what I thought before these new Hobbit movies. If he'd take liberties like that then... No, I don't want them butchered. :L
Another sin: why didnt they just get the eagles to fly them to the mountain?! Instead of going on foot and going through that sh*t. It would make the movie a lot shorter, instead of leaving the audience waiting for a year for the rest of the story. Also, the barrel chase says a hardy ``f*ck you`` to physics.
Smaug, he would take the eagles Roget out of the sky. Also, it was explained in the book on how they farmers shoot them down because they take the farmers sheep.
of course because fire breathing dragons and magic spells definitely don't effect the laws of physics in any way at all.
***** i can say my opinion. And thanks for that "Smarty" comment.
BartJ583 yep, c:
Lol it's not "all smarty" it's fucking logic
The biggest issue is that the book only has enough source material for one movie, maybe two. They decided to stretch it to three long movies for a cash grab. So you get a butt load of filler and nonsense characters. Plus the Hobbit didn't even have the same tone as LOTR, but they try to make it the same. Which done well may have worked, but it wasn't.
Yes, but most of the ideas of the details are actually in Tolkien's writings- But P.J. warped them horribly.
I'm very glad that C. Tolkien refuses to give him the rights to The Silmarillion.
Personally I could see three movies. But not the way they handled it. My initial thoughts was first move goes until the eagles which makes a good cutoff point*and I have basically no complaints with the first movie I felt they handled the filler stuff okay in it compared to the second*. Second movie goes till they arrive in laketown and meet Bard the archer not bard the smuggler. This would allow them to spend extra time covering what Gandalf was doing during his time away and the other events that happened during this time, explaining more about beorn*who they basically skipped over* and maybe even focusing more on the elves and the conflict between them and Thorin that will cause him to say 'no fuck you' later. Unfortunately they cut far more from the book then the first film to serve their need to shove in more filler specifically more Legolas and Taurial. My thought for the third movie was basically lake town till the end of the movie because I know for a fact they are going to spend a LONG time on the war at the end and they have plenty of space for action sequences that take considerable time.
Luke SkyOtter Couldn't agree more. I mean.. I love Silmarillion.. But can you immagine how incredible slaughtered that book would get in the hands of this mad man?
Yes I intend to someday edit these movies into one really freaking awesome 3 hour movie.
I think the problem is most people went into this expecting it to be another LOTR trilogy, when they are aimed at two different audiences.
About 4:10
When using the ring/ having it near you, doesn't help you to understand new languages and have better reflexes ?
Yes, you can understand all language if my memory serves me right.
Even if that is the case, the movie would still need to explain that.
Fanghur170 the greatest sin in this trilogy is not having a few lines to explain simple shit like the eagles and the fact bilbo knew elvish
Yup. AAAAAAALLLLLLL languages. (including spider) ;)
@@Fanghur170 the movie did explain it, in the scene with the spiders. Bilbo could understand what the spiders were saying. What more do you need?
1) It's actually hard to sneak up on a highly trained Dwarf Prince Y'know?
2) Flashback is necessary, it explains on how Gandalf met Thorin
3) No, DUH. They have ideas like that, but sometimes they are to scared to do it. Gandalf encourage them
4) Duh, this is a flashback
5) That little bit ago, may be far. And the Eagles won't come every time. Gandalf only owes them a favor, and they are scared to be shot down by elves/ or lake men. So they wont get any closer
6) That one I agree with.
7) You really rely on power? And why would Gandalf Hurt Beorn, he will surely kill them then when he turns back to human..
8) THey were in a hurry, duh
9) So you want a whole explanation on Blog? And duh, of course they look like. They ARE ORCS who you can barely tell apart
10) THat's your opinion... so it should not count. And Blog said yes.
11) This movie is in the age far back, and Beorn is REALLY old. So he may speak in riddles.
12) He meant that there is probably a curse laid on it by the evil ppl. Like the spiders...
13) Listen to what he said afterwards... and maybe he is just a good host who is kind.
14) Yea, got a problem? This a long time ago, bro, maybe they haven't used Km yet... I dunno..
15) Bilbo did that to see how far they were from the lake, since they think they are lost. Continue watching...
16) Um, he was holding it all the time, course he would.
17) Yea, so they could keep an eye on them. And this aint normal spiders.
18) Could be elves, everyone knows how dangerous those creatures are.. So it would take a lot of spiders to see it. And if you continue watching, not all of them went.
19) UM, the spiders builds webs every where, and the dwarves land nicely because they aren't't as heavy as a giant spider.
20) It has this control thing where it gives the bearer evil thoughts, and its just a ring that wont move.
21) *Face palm*Elves can live really long, and considering he was in LOTR why not bring him in? It explains where he is from... so why NOT?!
22) Yea, so what if it's gimly? Got a problem? We can finally see his FATHER
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23) What? How is that a mistake? they found the blades in the cave.
24) How the heck is a pick up line a mistake?
25) How is that also a mistake?! And legolas takes intrests in her, keep on watching before you make a judgement.
26) Do what? You don't understand it. So dont judge.
27) Spying on the king? To see what he is up to?
28) Always. Yea. Or maybe its just gates that are poorly guarded than the rest.
29) Likely, maybe they are the reason the dwarves and elves participated in the LOTR meeting. Maybe they were the reason the hatred between the two kinds lowered a bit.
30) It's called adding nice moments in between the action
And you know what?! Be logical and watch a few scenes after or the whole movie before you judge it.
and 16,122 people did not th ink logically while watching :]
silver raven Someone's taking this a little too seriously.
darklightthecatalyst sorry, just a LOTR fan. And I like pointing out things
silver raven I'd say you're probably not to big of a LOTR fan. First of all, you would agree with about anything in this video because half of the movie does not follow the book. Have you even read the hobbit? This guy also makes these videos to entertein people, not to actually make complete breakdowns of films. Grow up mate, stop getting pissed and serious when there is no reason. And oh, if you don't like the video, why would you come and watch?
you really have to much time on you're hands you know?
i Hate how people bitch about how long it is. I'm almost 40 hours into watching the giant Game of Thrones movie. Don't hear me complaining.
Personally because they cut or drastically changed stuff from the books, then added a load of other made up fluff or Legolas tongue baths, when they chould've had it shorter and truer to the books.
^ Wrong. Jackson took parts from unpublished manuscripts, Silmarillion, Tolkien's son, and filled in only a few gaps on his own, the rest he's taken to fully explain the book, rather than condense it, and its many loose ends and side stories.
Ody -Chan
I'm aware the bits with Gandalf, the white council and the Necromancer aren't made up by Jackson, they're even directly referenced in the book, but almost the entirety of Lake Town, the orcs attacking The Wood Elf stronghold and Laketown, Legolas,(though he is breifly mentioned in The Hobbit, though not by name), the barrel ride, Kili and the Elven chick, the encounter with Smaug and the section with Beorn are either completely made up, or very different to the book. The orcs such as Azog are also either made up, or chronologically displaced.
elvor0 Good, glad that you have all the resources available to Jackson, please feel free to let me know how you got a hold of everything he has.
elvor0 I agree with you but I have to say that Legolas is not officially mentioned. There is very brief reference to a prince but this could have been one of his brothers (who were never named in any book.)
1:58 is pitched higher for some reason.
Its funny, but why?
*sin ding*
Cybergheist Probably copyright
le feuilly The entire movie worked well without any copyright, but that single insignificant part got copyrighted? would it make sense in any way?
“Discount Azog”
Oh look. People hating on The Hobbit and it's follow-up. Reminds me of the prequels for Star Wars. It's almost like people have forgotten how to have fun. Movie makers and game developers have to pander to the every want and need of viewers and gamers or else risk hellfire being unleashed upon their product.
What happened to the days where you could watch a movie or play a game and truly, honestly, enjoy taking a trip into the mind of someone else? Cynicism and criticism have their places but you should never let them ruin your sense of fun.
I have seen more than my fair share of movies, both good and bad. And let me tell you, the Hobbit movies, just like the Star Wars prequels, were awesome to me. Because I remember the flaws in the originals without nostalgia glasses on, and I can enjoy said movies for what they are.
Shut up grandpa
bafrali5561 Lol. That the best you got boy?
People hate these movies because they are bloated and in order to become bloated forsake the original source material. Double whammy
XBlueM0ndayX Oh yes, because the source material was SOOOO much more interesting. Oh, and before you even say anything, I read the book and I think the movies are infinitely superior.
The Outlaw Steel
Then I suppose you have an incurable case of shit taste.
My condolences.
not gonna lie i would totally watch a spinoff with smaug and bilbo setting up the first detective agency in middle earth XD
When Bilbo and Smaug are talking for the first time, Smaug calls Thorin 'Oakenshield'. But if I understand correctly, Thorin got that nickname after Smaug took Erebor. Then how does Smaug know Thorin is called 'Oakenshield'?
Juan Pablo Mina Maybe he heard it from someone, you know some other smaller lizards or something XD
small creatures like birds, bats etc would find stuff out and talk to smaug about them, or he probably just flew around and saw stuff for himself
The Ring lets Bilbo hear english instead of elvish, it translates for him
Everyone who says the hobbit is a cash grab needs to hush. I am so happy that peter decided to do three movies that just means I can see more of my favorite book come to life!
Finally somebody said it! Thanks dude i agree
ohyeaaaaassss! thank goodness you said it!
Well said, the more Middle-Earth films the better!
Lets just hope for an other trilogy =D. I'm sure jrr tolkien made some more books to make movies of.
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I thought that someone had mentioned that allready. Therefore I left it out. But true that. This could also be a movie
"Is there a forest without darkness.." Yes? Lothlorien?
In the book, Bolg is Azog's son, which may be why they look the same, but he isn't supposed to show until the Battle of Five Armies. Not that it matters to Peter Jackson.
My favourite part is the fact that they are massive part in these 4 movies but are only mentioned in one sentence in the book, something like 'the orc army, headed by bolg, son of azog the defiler' and that is LITERALLY all that is said about them both.
1 254 page book that was written for children makes 4 movies.
3 700 page books that were written for older audiences made 3.
Let's see how many they make for silmarilion.
Bryan Fazekas because he makes money off it and it was requested by his audience
Bryan Fazekas yeah ;D
Bryan Fazekas He is also getting people to see the movie just to pick out the errors.
Ethan Quirk 4 movies you mean 3 right?
I love the Sherlock Holmes thing at the end. That hilarious. I watch you guys for those scenes.
That's definitley the best part of the video (though it is already great). :D
Dat Sherlock reference tho
Shit Sherlock, you found a reference
DubstepOtakuGamer Fuck you Watson
^^^ Benedict Cumberbatch plays Smaug I believe...
***** I didn't know, I was just guessing. My god, calm down
Don't call me Watson, I am a better detective then Sherlock, my name is L, L Lawliet
4:10 The ring translates. Also if you where gonna sin the translated elves, why did you say nothing at all about the talking spiders? I feel like you dont watch the movies, just have someone else do it. Then they just hand you the script. Im giving you 3 sins for that
Am I the only one who likes that the movie is long, it makes me feel that I have more to look up for, and it keeps me entertained.
***** cool
Bolg looks like Azog because he is Azog's son.
Now I'm just imagining what a female orc would look like.
Ew. I don't want to imagine
true we have indeed never seen an orc with tits. maybe they are like dwarves, so alike to the males that we have seen females but we didnt notice lol
Mile Minet my brain its meeeelting meltiing
Mile Minet my brain its meeeelting meltiing
A female orc? Mix between Hillary Clinton and Lindsey Lohan
Gandalf acts like the bear isn't Beorn because when he is a bear, he is unpredictable
While the Lord of the Rings are ultimately superior, the Hobbit did a few things right. Bilbo was a better protagonist than Frodo (who was as useful as a talking sack of potatoes), Smaug was fucking badass, and Tauriel was an interesting female protagonist, if bogged down by the unnecessary love story. Should have had her die saving Legolas or something, would have been more impactful.
PEOPLE NEED TO GET OFF FRODO'S BACK. He was the Ringbearer. Sorry but that alone makes him the most important person in the story. The quest would have failed without him. He gets so much grief and it makes me so sad. He was a little hobbit who didn't owe the world anything and he offered up his life and had it absolutely destroyed and most of the world never even knew. The Ring wrecked him emotionally, mentally, and spiritually, and the quest left him with a physical scar that never fully healed. Yes, over time he gradually succumbed to the Ring's evil, but Elrond, Lord of Rivendell, commented on how he was extraordinarily resilient to it. Nobody could have done better than he did. He was so brave. And he lost everything. Nothing that happened was his fault. You don't have to like his character but a little bit more credit is due.
Sorry, I get really passionate about Frodo. :)
Y'know, you could read the bloody books instead: you don't have to deal with ANY of the garbage in the movies.
@@omnitroph1501
The problem with the books is that the Dwarves are so bland, they're like lemmings. They always need Gandalf or Bilbo to save them. In the movie they actually do a little fighting.
Not that the movie gives them any character development, as only 4 of the 13 are somewhat important.
@@Laurkamm two years late, but thank you for that 💜
@@Laurkamm Sorry, but Sam is better. Sam was there literally the entire way and was supportive of him even when Frodo was straight-up abusive towards him. He literally and figuratively carried Frodo at times. He never left Frodo's side intentionally. Prove me wrong. :)
All I can hear in this video from you is "Wueh wueh wueh, I didn't like this movie, the franchise should end, I'm bored, wueh wueh wueh!"...
You know what's funny? If The Hobbit became a TV show instead of a movie trilogy, I swear it wouldn't have gotten nearly as much hate and would more than likely be praised.
Yes, I'm fine with you pointing out flaws and problems - but you constantly make it clear here that you hate the movie, in the most immature way possible.
This videos are mostly comedy. Sometimes they point out flaws of movies that they actually like, so it has nothing to do with it. It's just about getting a few laughs out of some movie's mistakes.
Also: it has nothing to do with it being a TV show or a movie.
"we are not reviewers, we're assholes" DING
"Obvious fanboy comment that forgets that people have opinions"ding
LaCriaturaDelMar He pleases for the movie to be over at one point, and another say it's a pointless sequel. Those are not "flaws", but his own opinions based on hating the movie.
***** It's not a joke just because you say it is.
"Is Middle Earth just Gandalf's personal life-sized doll house?"
Pretty much actually...considering how no one can do anything without him.
Hey guys, after seeing this movie, I think that Martin freeman and benadict cumberbatch should make, ooh, I don't know, a TV show with them both in it? Maybe?
there is Sherlock benedict as sherlock and martin as john watson
+theblackhat king you don't understand sarcasm, do you?
You don't understand humor do you? You had good material for a funny joke, but you didn't know how to use it. You're like a woman trying to be funny. But no one laughs.
Well, they're both now in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, along with Andy Serkis/Gollum. Although he's dead in Black Panther
The Hobbit movies were generally disappointing, but to start comparing Jackson to Lucas is overstating things. The Hobbit movies are still technically well made, well acted, there's use of real landscapes and miniatures, the make up and the CGI look great most of the time, the cinematography is fantastic... None of those things apply to the Star Wars prequels. Jackson knows how to make movies, Lucas just forgot after 1977.
Don't forget, if Gandalf could briefly hold his own against Sauron, maybe he had enough power to kill Smaug. If that was the case he could have taken him out years ago, saving countless lives in the events following up to the Hobbit. Also, didn't kill Azog when he had the chance, may have saved Thorin's life. While we're there, he could have even slayed the Balrog much sooner and Moria would have provided a stronger advantage for them in the War of the Ring. Gandalf is a dick to Dwarves.
No sins removed for how badass Smaug is when he's covered in gold
The part where he said "it's almost like they wrote the script for the dwarves to escape then made the set to match," yers, that is excactly what happened.
Alex Riptide he means instead of making it realistic.
I love these movies but I've been laughing so hard at your merciless commentary.
"A shadow that grows in the dark" - Where else does a shadow grow *sin bell **-ding-*
The thing is that Peter Jackson made the Hobbit trilogy a prequel to the Lord of the Rings instead of it's own story. And instead of defeating enemies with wit, (complimenting and tricking Smaug with his own hubris (there was no epic fighting the dragon until he attacks the town (if you call it that (it was more like "shit we're screwed. What? That's his weak spot? FIRE ARROW! Dragon dead), stealing the keys from the elves then smuggling the dwarfs in barrels, etc), he adds unnecessary action (not realistic in any shape and form (so you don't fear for the characters) that detracts from Bilbo's character.
And Bilbo IS THE STORY! He's a whiny, privileged hobbit that goes against impossible odds and wins because of his wit. Not because of epic sword fighting, not the dwarfs (when Gandalf abandons them, the dwarfs cling to Bilbo and go to him for EVERYTHING ), just with his wits. And that is one of the reasons the Hobbit (why the book is awesome and why the movies (at the Peter Jackson ones (I love the animated one (watched it all the time as a kid) is so disappointing (more like infuriating (literally my family can't speak about them without growling or wincing (sometimes both). He made it into another epic fighting is how you win instead of wits (okay maybe some). Pure wits. And I think that's just sad. The hobbit showed that you didn't have to be a great fighter and tough. You didn't have to be super fast. It wasn't epic fighting that kept the dwarfs and Bilbo alive. It was wit. It was brains and trickery and playing on the enemies arrogance. THAT'S what made the Hobbit epic.
You had me, you lost me... you pulled me back in with the strong finish.
Thank you, you made agreat point what this movie is lacking and/or doing wrong about with what made the story of the Hobbit so intriguing.
When I think about it... most conflicts of the movie are solved without much force but with wit and caution. The trolls tricked into their own doom; the moria orcs/goblins - Gandalf assassinated their king and used the following chaos for their excape, Bilbo/Gollum - prime example; they won over Beorn be acting cautiously, Bilbo freed the dwarves by luring the spiders away and using his ring; almost similar to freeing them from the elves; and Bilbo went down to Smaug twice - both times only talking.
***** I know! And I love that! All that wit to stay alive. Not flashy, unrealistic fighting...
ShanaAngelHeart
Now that I´ve seen the third movie, you can really stress the 'unrealistic' in the fights. Wow... so much bullshit. The movie had its good elements and scenes but there was a lot wrong with it and it just barely managed to be a little bit better than the second movie. What a downer but at least its over now. *sigh*
***** Yes...thank god for that... Unfortunately now everyone will think the movies when talking about the hobbit. Not the real story...
One thing that got me is the elves being drunk thing. In lotr gimli and legolas have a drinking competition, where gimli passes out whilst legolas, having drunk the same amount, only feels a tingling in his fingers. These elves were passed out asleep on the table, how much had they drunk?!?!
I imagine dwarves are used to smaller cups as were the hobbits. An actual pint is like an extra large to them. Would have been like me challanging Andre the giant to a drinking contest I can drink alot for my size but nowhere near as much as someone much larger than me.
The dwarves were strangers to Laketown, so when that one dwarf went searching for kingsfoil, he didn't know where the pigs were, so it took him a while. A better question would be: how did the orcs know to follow him?
Lol that ending joke about Sherlock Holmes, the voice actor of Smaug was Sherlock in TV Series, if someone didn't know.
The the guy who plays Bilbo also plays Mr. Watson in the same show.
뿡뿡! ^__^ Yea, I wasn't so sure about that, thanks for telling me. :D
I loved the Sherlock bit at the end lol
4:03- the elves may not necessarily be speaking English and in fact could be speaking elvish!
At the beginning of the film with the spider scene, Bilbo is able to slip on the ring during the attack and can understand what the spiders were saying, if so, wouldn't it work in this situation too (if the elves were speaking elvish)!
-1 sin!
Avatar2N2 In the books it's just that the spiders speak the common language. They don't have their own.
Yeh, if I recall correctly it is stated in the books that with the ring on the wearer can understand other languages, or specifically the language of Mordor, which is what the spiders were speaking.
I haven't read the books in a VERY long time, so please don't rage if any of this information is incorrect.
Yeah good point!
I was thinking just the same.
I am not apposed to adding in Tolken language to the moves, but îsh kakhfê ai-'d dûr-rugnu means I told him he could go "pour my shit all over his family's heads" and I don't recall Thorin saying that or anything of the likes to Thranduil.
That is such a great comment!
Opposed*
Also it means 'pour excrement upon your people's heads'
Vonderhaar People like you... Just why?
Vonderhaar Wow. Okay. Listen up grammar jerk. English is my fourth language, so if I misspell opposed, whatever. I will take you on in French and Russian at once in any spelling bee.
I would have taken off at least one sin from this talley on account of Benidict Cumberbatch's mindblowing performance. Also for the great exchange with Martin Freeman.
10:48 I took the fact that everything still worked as showing off the dwarves' mastery of technology, still impeccable after all those years
I was so willing to like these movies until I saw the last one. Now I find them downright insulting. "The Lucasification" of Jackson is right. Normally these videos make me laugh. The Hobbit ones just make me angry.
I totally agree. With the flaws Cinemasins points out, they are just downright silly. Like why Smaug doesn't just use his fire.
on the plus side, these movies are bad, but they don't retroactively taint the original movies with dumb shit, i.e. midichlorians
Oh Man! I worked so hard to forget that word!
Actually they do. Gandalf, Elrond, Saurmon and Gladriel battle Sauron, which is retroactively tainting LOTR. Legolas is not suppose to be in this story, yet he is. Not to mention at the end where Thranduil tells Legolas to look for Strider it completely makes no sense. Gandalf is not suppose to know Bilbo has a ring of power until after he turns invisible in the original LOTR. I'm sure there is more between these three Hobbit movies that taint the originals but I cant remember
It's funny the things you have to do to release a video like this. What ever happened to fair use parody/review?
Well I thinks it rely good entertainment, and if I want to se some parodies I just watch smosh and some other parody channel, and if I want some movie review I just watch Jermyjoans.
It just fun to have different types of entertainment, not fun if every guy did parodies and reviews :)
Johnny Born
Im referring to it being taken down despite it being, by all accounts, a fair use review. So to re release it he has to change the pitch and cut the audio out in certain areas.
Samston sorry my bad, though you were hating
Because TH-cam care more about the corporate copyright holders than its actual users. Even if the copyright holder has no legal justification for what they do.
MrTARDISreviews ok i hate that things like this get pulled but it ant youtubes fault if they did not they would get sued.
what do you expect them to do risk thier livly hood to defend you personaly. do you not understand how companys work?
The ending voice over jokes were amazing. Thank you guys as always.
Audio outtakes.
when Kili took an arrow to the leg I thought : WELP NO MORE ADVENTURING FOR YOU , GO AND ASK SOMEONE TO BECOME A GUARD
"My cousin's out fighting dragons, and what do I get? Guard duty.""
Then right after Bard kills the dragon: "I used to be an adventurer like you..."
Guys, stop recycling the eagle excuse. The Eagles are too proud to listen to humans at all most cases, but Gandalf is highly respected by all creatures. This is why they occasionally help him, but they don't take him far because they can't leave their nests unguarded by the warriors (the ones who are tough enough to fly into a freaking orc battle/exploding volcano) so they just fly them a little ways after helping them out. And they didn't use the eagles for the journey in LOTR because of the first reason (cant leave nests alone for long) and because the eye of Sauron would have seen them and sent the dragon riders after them. The Eagles were way to selfish to risk dying, even for Gandalf. However, it's still a legitimate complaint that this isnt described in the movie, since this is all in the books.
If you're even calling them dragon riders you seriously know very little of Tolkien lore
Kris Norge For sake of clarity, not everyone knows they're Fellbeasts and that the Nazgul are rising them.
Emperorbart7
Ah ok. My bad, I guess
Kris Norge That "clarity" clearly backfired then. ;)
Is there an "Everything wrong with V for Vendetta"? If not PLEASE, oh please make one!
The Hobbit movies were probably one of the cheesiest movies I have ever seen. They include every single Hollywood cliche thats out there: A love story, a villain that prefers to talk a half minute before killing the hero and then dies himself, a villain that needs fucking 5 second to swing his weapon so that an other good guy can kill him, a rescue that appears in the very last second and safes the day, cheesy last words and so on and so on. Not to mention the Wilhelm-scream that has to appear in every-fucking-Peter Jackson movie. Its just a pain in the ass.
I love how you play the "king beneath the mountain" scene right after you see Thorin crawling out of the toilet.
Don't get me wrong. I like your video's. But please for the love of god stop trying to apply logic to fantasy world's.
***** now id really like to deny that, but alas i cannot because its correct, kids films are terrible for it XD
***** But in fantasy, there can be NO logic. That's the whole idea of why it's so fantastical. The sky's the limit, and in fantasy, there is no sky.
Even fantasy worlds require some inner logic. Not the kind of logic that would apply to the real world, but a logic one could understand and follow.
Nobody here said something like "uh, dragons don't exist" but instead "okay, this dragon has a fire breath and is a really old intelligent being... why does he use that breath only when it's not convenient?"
That.s inner logic: a dragon is a powerful and intelligent being, ergo he should be more capable than what the movie shows. And that's only one example of the many flaws in this movie's inner logic.
***** So you are saying that if Bilbo suddenly would have found a laser cannon from the ground and shot the dragon with it you wouldn't have complained.
LaCriaturaDelMar This is an argument I can't argue against.
Fair points my good sir.
The Hobbit movies to me are what the StarWars prequels are to StarWars fans.
No, they are worse. Why? Tolkien's book.
The Hobbit novel is a children's classic.
P.J.'s 'adaptions' most likely cause Tolkien to roll over in his grave.
Now we share the pain :(
When the Hobbit movies started coming out my Hubby said to me, "Now you finally know how I feel about Micheal Bay's Transformer movies." I truly understand his horror and disgust now.
I don't get why people don't like the Hobbit movies.. It's a continuation of one of the best trilogies ever, what's not to like? You aren't a real LotR fan if you don't like the Hobbit.
James, that's not for you to decide.
I have no problem with people that like them but I don't like them and just because someone comes along and says "If you don't like these you're not a true fan" doesn't make it so.
Unnecessary redundancy with "Unnecessary flashback is unnecessary" 1 sin
So was anyone else upset with how they shoe horned in that Elf-Dwarf Romance, when we could have gotten more time with Radagast and Gandalf? Every time I saw Kili and Tauriel together I honestly checked out of the movie and to the Doctor Who fans out there, does anyone else think Freeman would have made a great Doctor or Companion?
I think the better question was "Who was *not* upset" about that. Seriously, they pulled the same shit with the LotR trilogy, and we didn't get to see Tom Bombadil because of it.
crazyj10agains I found it more bearable in LotR, but that's just me.
Crazy Jay I didn't mind it honestly.
William Beck Well that's good for you and I mean that (I don't try to write sarcasm online). i think I wouldn't have minded it as much if it was handled better.
Crazy Jay
When did we see it in LOtR?
Peter Jackson didn’t put Gloin in this movie and make him Gimli’s dad, that’s all Tolkien. It was the same way in the books, he just doesn’t make a reference to it in the book obviously because The Hobbit was written first so Gimli didn’t exist yet but in the LotR Gimli is the Son of Gloin.
7:36 That is an actual instrument called a serpent, a bass instrument which predated the tuba and was used by composers like Mozart, Bellini, and Wagner. It is curved so strangely because the keys would be too widely spaced on a straight pipe for human hands to manage without complex mechanical keys.
I'd say the barrel scene is more offensive than all the Star Wars prequels COMBINED!
XD
But the rest of the movie-
BURN IT.
CLEANSE THE STAIN OF P.J.
Well, at least it was entertaining.
I'm gonna have to disagree lol Scene was still offensive though
anon746912 It wasn't entertaining, it was too forced and ultimately stupid.
Hermaeus Mora Opinions and all that. Sometimes you just have to embrace the stupidity and enjoy it for what it is.
I know a lot of people don’t know this and that’s fine, but a majority of the stuff that was added to this trilogy was from other Tolkien books. It’s not perfect and I also initially dismissed it as a cash grab, but a lot of things that were written by Tolkien to explain the events of the hobbit better (since it was his first book)