The Shining - Renegade Cut (Revised Version)
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One of my friends who was a twin watched this movie and told me she was afraid to walk back to her room late at night after watching it. I replied "Yeah, there might be a terrifying child on a tricycle."
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@C R that's the joke
Omg bravo!
But there was no terrifying child on a tricycle. It’s the twins that are terrifying.
I question the assertion that "White Man's Burden" is not a political line, given the imperialist nature of the original poem. And sure, it originated in the book, but the fact that it's in the movie at all given how much Kubrick changed is as telling as anything new he added
The Native American genocide interpretation is a perfect example of finding something I think is a real symbol, then running with it nonsensically as though it were the entire point of the movie. It’s like reading The Great Gatsby and saying the book is secretly about dock lights. Jack, a white American patriarch, is enabled to entrap and abuse his family (as well as getting other privileges, like the ability to ostensibly spend all his time making art) by an institution which is founded on the OVERLOOKING of violence-violence against natives, against guests, against women, African Americans, and the generally disenfranchised. Especially, violence committed by insiders-its staff. America, Imperialism, and power hierarchies in general are founded on such exploitation. This is the gruesome horror on which The Shining draws its edge. Like just about any of Kubrick’s films, I think it’s mostly expressionistic, and debates about what is or isn’t real aren’t as interesting as discussions regarding the interplay of the various symbols
Thank you. I never noticed the "Danny on Tricycle" hallways get more narrow as the progress up to 'that scene'. Your analysis is impeccable for someone who studies the philosophical/ aesthetic/ cultural impact of film.
I just got to see this film on the big screen for the first time. Truly an amazing experience. The ending sequence in the maze is almost otherworldly.
Some thoughts on the notorious documentary "Room 237." All of those people, in the viewpoint of myself and others, are just like the proverbial blind men who each felt a different part of an elephant, and each had their own highly subjective notion of what an elephant was like. Kubrick's final six films are so incredibly visually dense, so profoundly hypnotic in composition, movement, color and shock to expectation, that they do provoke highly personal and subjective reactions. The best thing about that documentary is not that it gives a profound and coherent insight into the film, but that it beautifully shows how the film captures the imagination to cause such an explosion of views. The bad thing about that film is that it gives far too much time to the freakish lunatic Jay Weidner.
There is no question Kubrick put a stunning amount of cinematic content in his films--many great directors like Malick and Lynch do so, and many others have going back to Eisenstein and before. America, the Gold Rush, Native Americans and slavery (and many other things) are hinted at by Kubrick's cinematic content in "The Shining." But this is all part of the maze of being lost in its meanings, and there is no one insight that can tie these elements together into a simple answer to "what the film is about." A great masterpiece never works that way.
Jack dying in the maze is the perfect way to represent interpretations of this movie.
If you try to understand it, once you think you know the direction the movie took you’ll get lost
On the long tracking shots, and your analysis that this means that "we can't help them." Fair enough, no argument there. But could it also be that it makes them look very small against a very big and imposing world? They look like tiny creatures caught up in (and later trapped by) something much bigger and more powerful than they are? That was always my interpretation of the scenes.
Thank you for this. A bit of sanity amongst the insanity.
A masterpiece.
The spatial distortion in the hotel sets is really cool. As far as the native american imagery go, I don't think the movie is symbolic of the genocide of the Native Americans. However, I do believe that there is too much mention of Native Americans to be coincidence. I don't really see this as a fan theory. Repetition of ideas and images is the basic way to establish symbolism. I can buy that the cans were not chosen to reinforce this idea, but even without the intent of the author they strengthen the symbolism. My interpretation is that all the discussion about the Native Americans being driven from their land during the hotel construction may indicate that it is the spirits of Native Americans who are taking revenge and causing all the supernatural shenanigans and possession in the hotel. I also interpret the Native American decoration in the hotel to symbolize the fact that their spirits never really left and still inhabit the land. Any thoughts?
I interpreted the inclusion of some Native "history" as giving the hotel an older, more imposing provenance. It's character development of the building/place, not political analogy. How much creepier is it to have a place that claims victims over the course of centuries because it is inherently evil and corrupted, than it is to have a neutral place occupied by ghosts? The ghosts in this story are victims and pawns of the place, not the villains per se.
Very proud to often snowboard at the park where the “outlook hotel”(timberline lodge) exterior shots were filmed. It’s a truly gorgeous location. If you didn’t know, the interior was filmed elsewhere, which almost adds an extra weirdness to the film if you’re familiar with the area. The timberline lodge looks NOTHING like the outlook inside. It’s almost like a ski lodge fused with a museum in the first level, with the rest of the floors being a very old hotel. It’s like a portal back in time, almost. Not so creepy, though it is probably haunted lol
There's so many theories to this film, none of them right, none of them wrong, which is why it's one of the best films ever
I think he wanted to be interpreted.
You should talk about the difference between the US and European versions of the movie.
some things just don't translate well from book to movie. what makes a book scary often won't work in a visual medium. Kubrick was given a book where most of the horror was in between the lines. He had to choose between making it a good horror movie or a faithful adaption. he should get props for being able to make it a great movie that didn't stray too far from the source material.
(On the same note, i actually like the Doctor Sleep movie more than the book. The book was too... cramped? like there was a lot of stuff that didn't need to be in it? and the movie streamlined it and got rid of dumb plot bunnies. I wouldn't consider either book or movie to be scary though, because like any sequel we already know and confronted the horror before.)
I've always wondered if there's symbolism in Hallorann being the only person who does not hallucinate ghosts in the hotel. Danny sees the twins, Jack sees Lloyd and the girl in the bathtub, Wendy sees many ghosts (the man with a head scar, the blowjob bear suit man, skeletons etc).
Maybe they are all ghosts too.
If I remember correctly, in the book, Halloran had built up some defenses over time. He didn't want to be susceptible to what the Overlook could show him, he kept the malice out of his mind. I'm not sure why Kubrick chose to kill his character, except to emphasize the horror of Jack turning homicidal.
Technically, Halloran has seen (they weren’t hallucinations, they were there) ghosts. When Danny asks Dick about Room 237, he pauses and says nothing is there (obviously trying to hide it from Danny). And in the novel, Halloran has seen as been attacked by the ghosts.
@@devilinav7494, I've thought that Halloran's murder was symbolic of the mistreatment of African's brought over here for slavery. The attitude of "okay, we're though using him. Now kill him." Notice how Grady in the bathroom scene with Jack uses the N-word so callously. Also, think of the blood coming out of the elevator. What does it allude to? Kubrick made insinuations that it was the blood of American Indians on whose burial grounds the hotel was built, the victims of the Nazi holocaust and victims of American slavery. Perhaps, all three? To me, this was the brilliance of Stanley Kubrick. He never told you anything outright. He let you decide for yourself what it meant.
I also like the theory that the horror parts of the movie never actually happen. Its just Jack's Horror novel that he is writing during the movie. And that Kubrick gave us clues as to which scenes are " real " and which scenes are are actually Jack working on his novel.
My favorite movie of all-time.
My interpretation of the photo at the end has always been that the hotel itself claimed him. It drove him mad and captured his soul, and now he's a part of it. Forever.
Was eight years old when the movie came. Out. I was scared of the trailer when it came on tv. I ran to him ide. Camera and music is terrifying
Another well done review. As for Room 237, there are many fan theories in it and they are almost all not plausible to me (still I respect other's film interpretations). But the Native American idea still holds some weight. The viewer sees Jack throwing a ball against Native American art work and the Indian burial ground idea is in the film and not the book AFAIK. So, I agree that The Shining is about personal violence and its recurrence in history with a brilliant use of the horror genre.
- But more broadly, the violence of a strong society in general against a weaker group has too many clues in the movie to pass up. Imo at least. ;-)
tbh I hated room 237. It was so poorly made and full of hollow arguments.
In my humble opinion The Shining is one of the few perfect movies
Yeah to bad Wendy/Shelley had to suffer in this film also her acting was good she didn't need to be stressed out by Kubrick.
The tracking shots are the POV of the Hotel, watching them.
I hate Room 237, I didn´t even end it because I found it ridiculous, so Im really glad that you actually did this video.
Sergio Osvaldo Valdés Arriaga I know it's ridiculous but I kinda find it interesting though. Still glad Leon is doing this analysis as a really good pure horror film and not a ROOM 237-style theory video (whether to debunk or praise it).
So you didnt want to talk about this movie because of the theories people have made on it... uhhh Ok?
My favorite movie of all time
Gonna need a changelog with these revisions. :p
Good job thanks. Strong 💪🏼 work. I was scared watching you vid!!
there isn't one answer
I have watched many many TH-cam videos about "hidden meanings" "real meaning" "why the Shining is good' etc.. and every SINGLE one of them has been unalloyed garbage.
This one was excellent.
Right down to the vocabulary. So many youtubers mistake contorted multi-clause sentences and long words or 14 words where 2 would do, as being the same thing as profound or intelligent. When sadly, they don't even manage to hit "correct".
This was so straightforward. IHe looked at the main sources to back up his points (Kubrick and the novel), and did get right to the heart of why the film is frightening.
In the past 4 days in the US, two married men with multiple children have murdered them all, and in one case also murdered his wife.
The Shining is scary because it reflects reality. The person most apt to kill a child is a parent, the place a child is most apt to be killed is the home.
And it throws in some ghosties too.
It was wonderful how clearly the points were made: eg mazes. He just shows, the hotel corridors, the hedge maze, the carpet maze. Boom. Using James Joyce's aesthetics, there are 3 components a good piece of writing should have, one of which is Harmony. The point he made about the mazes...that is Harmony. (sorry, I know that Joyce/aesthetics bit is really pretentious sounding, but that was part of a joke that Joyce was making. He knew it was pretentious, not incorrect, but pretentious, so he put the words into the character that was "him" ish...to make fun of himself, while at the same time laying out what he thought. It is nice when smart people don't take themselves very seriously.)
This whole business of looking for secret meanings instead of just looking at the film that Kubrick made....hordes of people are doing that to GRR Martin's Ice & Fire novels now. No character is who they are, everyone must secretly be someone else, usually who died 100 years ago and on and on. There are some very funny youtube videos which try to capture all the "fan theories" and list from largely reasonable to wholly stupid. Great to listen to when you have a huge pile of ironing.
What did Stephen King mean by "White man's burden?" I think I have to read the book. Kubrick studied the book extensively and wrote all sorts of notes in it. I made a video on my channel showing it at the Exhibit at LACMA. I think both artists had a fairy tale they were telling together, even if King did not like it at first. Jack's character got flattened out in the film a little. But perhaps that made it scarier.
The Overlook Hotel is "almost" like a character in the film ??? Dude, the Overlook Hotel is the MAIN character in the film.
Despite the absolute nightmare of filming the Shining, it is a masterpiece of filmmaking.
Superb video as always, Renegade.
Good review but I think you backed off the hidden messages, the bear scene is one of them.
It's not not about American dominance. It's not not about the family drama. It's all meant to tie into the overall theme of contrasting action/inaction, predator/prey, dominance/submission, explicit/implicit, rational/irrational, perception/paranoia, material/immaterial and so on. It's about yin and yang and the nature and limitations of reality and our perception. I think "The Shining" refers to all that in life that is beyond conscious perception and expression.
7:36 I've seen Eyes Wide Shut but in the wall there's pictures of musicians and not pictures of The Shining. Is that really in a version of the movie? Or is it edited?
***** Ok, thanks. I saw the title of the documentary but I thought it was not related to the Eyes Wide Shut footage
Mazes scare most of us but not Danny. He knew the whole Overlook like the back of his hand!
I believe this is one of two movies played at the research station at the South Pole every year shortly after sundown to 6 months of continuous nighttime
Watching this one year from the day it was posted. Thank you!
However, i still love most of the theories about the movie, and i have even thought up my own ones. No matter which way you look at the movie, it's a masterpiece.
Something that's always kind of confused me is that all the songs heard in the ballroom were made in the 1930s. Yet, the photo at the end says 1921. Considering Kubrick's precise detailing in his films, this must mean something.
It means that Jack had been the Caretaker even before the events depicted in the movie. He had 'always' been the Caretaker.
Although I'm not sure why a caretaker would be right in the middle of a July 4th Ball photograph!
I know that. I'm just confused to why Kubrick wouldn't use a song from 1921 itself. "Midnight, the Stars, and You" was written in 1934.
best horror movie ever made
jeremyviromek
Music from near the 8 minute mark, please?
It sounds like the theme from the film Koyaanisqatsi towards the end of the film. It seems the chant was edited out but the piano is still there.
Could you please help me identify the theme in the credits @12:10
Lucas Lambrey
Yes, that's a terrific movie with an equally terrific score.
I think that song was also used in Watchmen during Dr. Manhattan's origin story.
I really like everything on the channel that I’ve newly discovered; however a lack of understanding of Stephen King is a major problem when discussing adaptations of his work. The Shining is one of the only good ones
Thank you for including Philip glass
Room 237 is what happens when people smoke weed and have too much spare time.
Hello-o, shining, shine, light, ILLUMINATI! Doh!
Its hard to see too mixh i to the movie considering the book answere most question
I really dont remember that man at 11:06 when does that appear in the film?
When is your Inception review coming back?
very sensible
Why does everyone think the little girls are twins🤦♀️ they’re not the same age
Great! Do you have a link to the Leon Vitali-interview debunkig "Room 237"? -sounds like intresting reading.....
Not offhand. This video is from years ago. You can just Google it, though.
Thank you for the reply!
Would anyone happen to know the name of the song that begins at 12:10?
luiscurse
It could be
Midnight the stars and you.
By Al Bowlly
vanilla sky next?
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While visually stunning, I really don't think it's as great a masterpiece as many credit it. The ghosts of gay lovers was extraneous, without the backstory and only there for shock value. The titular Shining barely amounts to anything. Dick Hallorann reappears only to be a convenient victim. Overall it's good movie, but a lot more flawed than people will admit.
On a film making level, Kubrick had a fantastic eye, but was really incompetent; he needed around 100 takes and needed to physiologically torture one of his actors to get a good performance. That means that unlike a great director, he was unable to communicate what he needed to his people.
This is a well done film, but it has no soul. The book has a soul.
Really overrated movie
There’s a scene in Ready Player One that involves The Shining.
YES!!! I've been waiting for this to come back out. Thanks for re-uploading!