dumb missiles are rockets, rocket artillery, in pretty much all if not all cases, but would probably have a special designation if they were designed to work in space. would need more fuel tanks or much larger oxygen supply or something to have range in space.
Calm down people! we all are here to enjoy the BSG series! No one is perfect! I myself enjoy what this gentleman has done with the information! Thank you very much for all your hard work! 👍
An will someone, PLEASE, think of the familes... cuz we cant neglect their comfort and safety while our warships they on are involved in a life and death, win or die, space navy battle.
They can not launch as fast from the pods. You forget lore.... There are no Shields etc in bsg. Those pods are open to space. They need to move the fighters from a air pressurized hanger, via a airlock to those pods. So launch tubes with are like a gun loaded with bullets is faster.
*Repost from original video* The hangars in Battlestars are similar to those on Nimitz-Class Carriers with Vipers and Raptors stored towards center mass like Hornets and Prowlers are stored below deck respectively. Every carrier has several aircraft top deck to be rapidly launched from the Catapult System in case of enemy contact because it takes vital battle deciding minutes to bring up whole squadrons from below and launch them. Those six tubes are mostlikely always loaded for the same purpose, but only for those Alert Vipers while the deck crew brings out the rest of the Wing to launch from the deck en mass. Those unfamiliar with Carrier Ops and Maritime Air Warfare first hand can easily see those tubes as impractical but just talk to someone who served in a MAW or on a Aircraft Carrier and we'll see there use right away hence why BSG and Aaron Douglas (Chief) still has a large dedicated Active Duty and Veteran fanbase.
@5:07 Yes, it has a weakness which makes launch tubes an overall improvement: using the landing bay to launch ships is slow. Very slow. With these small bays, (and I know this is speculation) there should be 2 Lifts per pod maximum. That lift takes what, 20 seconds to launch a raptor on Galactica? Because you have to wait for significantly larger doors to close, then depressurise the lift, and only then open it up and launch the ships. The hangars we see in BSG aren't the landing strips seen on the 3D Model. The fighters aren't stored in the Landing area, but below it. Viper launch tubes take about 10 seconds to launch a viper into combat *(at significant speed and 0% Risk of hitting the main ship due to it manouvering whilst you're taking off)* whilst these lifts take so long and if the ship changes its orbital velocity whilst you take off, you're most likely dead. Also, the Valkyrie is 649 meters long. That puts the Viper launch tubes into the same scale. Missile launch tubes are utilised by this ship, multiple Anti-Fighter Silos and 6 Ship to ship missile launchers. These are located on turret like rotating weapon emplacements. And these missiles are, as basically all other colonial ship to ship missiles, about the size of one of a Mk VII Viper's engines. These launch tubes are to scale with launch tubes on Galactica on the show, and the same for Vipers. So, *_tueybare viper launch tubes._* Sidenote: the BSG definition of Missiles is that they are guided. "Dumb Fire Missiles" are called rockets. Like the things on assault raptors. @5:10 you did consider that Viper launch tubes take a massive amount of length of you only have 250m of space. Like a MAC on a Halo UNSC ship, they are Magnetic. That's the whole point of using them. @5:55 the 3D model indicates the launch tubes go in pretty damn far. Like, they are below the hangar deck, at least you'd assume that 1.5 times the launch tubes of vertical space directly below the *LANDING STRIP* is used for that.
Great video(s)! I’ll add my two Cubits on the matter: If you look at all the shots of the launch pods on the various Battlestars, you see that they are almost always completely open to the vacuum of space and also quite devoid of Vipers, Raptors, etc. We can literally look through the pods like looking through a scope. And when we look through them, do we see some or even numerous Vipers just sitting there on the deck waiting for their turn to fly out and join the fight? And even if we did, wouldn’t that be a huge liability if the Battlestar in question had to retreat in a hurry and suddenly gave the order to recall all Vipers and Raptors? I’d think it would be difficult to land your compliment of ships on a hanger deck already littered with ships who never had the time or ability to launch from the pods. This is why having launch tubes just makes infinitely more sense. Launch all your Vipers from the tubes, your Raptors from the pods by way of the flight deck, and use the empty flight deck to recall all forces when the fight is won or if a hasty jump is needed. On the Valkyrie, I think they are launch tubes (for Vipers) and not missile or rocket pods/launchers.
On the other hand, they haven't been seen to be used as missile tubes either. We do see the Valkyrie fire a missile but it isn't from either of those six tubes.
In this specific case that'd be like me saying that I don't know the hamburger I just ordered is a hamburger until the cook comes out and explicitly _tells_ me it's a hamburger. In other cases I'd completely agree with you, But this is so clear cut. Using deductive reasoning it becomes obvious that them _not_ being launch tubes makes no sense I posted a separate comment including 3 reasons why they are for Vipers, but again if you ask yourself what else they could be, then try to come up with explanations for those options you'll see what I mean
Those are Viper tubes, the reason why the Valkyire has so few is because she's not a main line heavy hitter. She's way smaller than the Jupiters and Mercuries. She has a very different role, but she still uses Vipers, just due to her size not in those massive quantities main battlestars would.
This is a case of having to go with what the designer intended until something official comes along and says otherwise. If the designer says they are launch tubes, then they are launch tubes. If looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it isn't a mongoose.
I personally think they are launch tubes for the reason that it follows real life examples If you look at modern flattop aircraft carriers they typically have 3 launch catapults, 2 isolated and forward facing and 1 on the canted runway This allows the catapults to be used to sortie fresh aircraft from 2 catapults and simultaneously recover aircraft from returning flight operations or launch a 3rd craft depending on circumstances It also means the landing strip can be maintained clear of aircraft on taxi or ascent reducing the chances of accidents during failed landings I would propose they are the same purpose The tubes sortie Vipers forwards and allow selective use to the pods simultaneously for either Raptor launch or craft recovery as the mission demands This means that returning vipers can always approach safely and any approach from the pod rear need not worry about airspace congestion in combat meaning they can have a good sustained sortie rate despite their smaller size without the need for substantive flight control micromanagement shipside
@@mjbull5156 I was under the impression that one of the waist catapults was not for standard use and was over used solely for max weight take-offs of their utility transport craft? Either way the point of the post still remains
First off, love your videos bro. Who cares if you "missed" or "mislabeled" something, we all have our own ideas how shit works in this show since they didn't get crazy techish in order to focus on the story. Keep doing you, brother. It ALWAYS bothered me why Galactica NEEDED to retract its landing pods in order to jump. Like..why? lol It's a structurally sound BEAST (minus the frakking corners they cut during construction.) Take Cloud 9 or ANY of the other smaller ships that aren't as structurally sound (like the one with the big ass ring around it that looks like an artificial gravity ring). How does that thing not fall apart when it jumps, but Galactica NEEDS it's pods in? haha. Just kinda silly to me. Best frakking show in existence STILL, regardless.
truthfully I think that's a safety measure designed into galactica...if that not than paranoia...as in its less a structural weakness and more a tactical weakness...its silly yes but something that could be explained if given the right hints
There is one (maybe) cannon thing that says directly that those tubes are Viper launch tubes, the Eaglemoss pamphlet that comes with the Valkyrie. I know, I know, it’s kinda stupid, but it does directly point to the tubes under the flight pods and say that they are Viper launch tubes.
They are viper launch tubes why have missile launch tubes under you hanger bay cause what if one locks onto a viper coming out of the hanger oops I do agree with you
They are launch tubes. You would have the launch tubes so that your hanger bay crew could work in atmosphere. The vipers being in that lower hanger section would allow crews also to work on them in atmosphere. I believe the pods and the deck that you see are for recovery purposes and you would try to separate recovery from the Work hanger and launch tubes loading area in case there was damage during recovery.operations.
Yeah the reason the Pegasus doesn't retract it's flightpods is because of the advancement of technology, materials, and building techniques in the class. It removed the necessity for them to extend and retract.
They are launch tubes. Vipers launch out of them in Deadlock. Launch tubes do not primarily exist to allow the Jupiter-class to launch Vipers without extending the pods-that's just a bonus (e.g. the Adama maneuver). Launch tubes are mainly to conserve fuel by using magnetic accelerators as well as to launch tons of Vipers as quickly and efficiently as possible. I kinda do feel that it's almost not cost effective to have them on a Valkyrie considering the small number of them but whatever.
I said it in the discord server when I first saw the video because I knew it would be controversial, you deal in actual on screen lore and other things that can be 100% confirmed, it's why I never had a problem with the first video, while I did think the first Valkyrie video was a bit off, it was because of my prior knowladge to the fannon/beta lore, I do think a compelling case can be made for them being both launch tubes (See the smaller colonial ships in deadlock like the Adamant and such that have launch tubes which would scale to the same size of ship) Or missile launchers (See: The reason given in the video for foreward mounted dumb-ordinance firing launchers) We honestly don't know either way. 10/10 for both videos.
I was going to give him credit for making this video admitting he made a mistake but alas he just doubles down on triangle shaped missile exposed tubes right under the flight deck.... Vipers are support craft thats supposed to fly into oncoming missiles and enemy craft to act as a screen. The Really huge Battlestars are hybrid battleships and carriers. Thats why you see the Galactica akways turn sideways towards the enemy putting up flak and launching vipers into incoming threats. The Valkyrie is a escort support Battlestar so it will face towards the enemy presenting less of the ship towards the enemy as seen in the series so it's launch tubes will face forwards towards incoming threats.
This may have been a nod to the orginal series where the Galcatica's launch tubes mounted along the long axis of the hangar pod (though this was not shown very clearly).
I think you are wrong. Look at the schematics in this forum www.trekbbs.com/threads/how-long-were-those-launch-tubes-on-original-galactica.290633/ The launch tubes are not mounted along the long axis, the are just angled compared to the new Galactica
Has anyone considered that the Valkyerie and Jupiter classes have a much different size to them. This goes back to my original statement on the first video regarding these videos. The Valkyerie is a small ship I think a 2/3 of a kilometer long. The Jupiter is 2 Kilometers. And the Mercury is 3-4 maybe 5... is massive. Now, you have an idea of the scale and all the 'stuff' that has to be packed into it. Guns, ammo, engines, power plants, Vipers, Raptors, crew quarters, pantrys, fuel, etc into a smaller ship. Now those flight pods are not the same size as the Jupiter-classes - so the air wing would not be as big. And the hanger bays are definately tighter and more compact due to the ship's size. I do agree having the Viper Launch System would take up valuable deck space that would otherwise be used for additional viper capacity. But, being able to get vipers in the air NOW rather than 30 seconds to a minute later in a nuke fight... It depends on if you have pilots that are like Starbuck that can shoot down nukes... I go back to my original point the Valkyerie is small and is treated to be a small Battlestar. If the Viper Launch Systems had to be designed parallel to the pods instead of outwards then fans wiuld be raising hell with that too.
There was something I read, don’t remember where, but it gave an explanation for the ghost fleets different ships. Like what I think was a Jupiter that had something like 20 of those battlestar artillery guns on its dorsal hull when the galactica only had 8, as a refit to increase firepower and speed at the cost of armor. May have been a fan explanation but in my opinion it makes sense for a fleet that isn’t supposed to exist to be fast yet heavy hitting. Able to destroy a target and get out before reinforcements arrive.
They are definitely launch tubes for vipers. Why? 1. There would be no reason to shape them exactly like Vipers if they were just for missiles. In fact, it'd be counterproductive by introducing a larger attack surface exposed to the interior of the ship. As in giant gaps in the armor, when for missiles a circular hole just big enough for the ordnance would do. And we see tubes shaped exactly like this on Galactica, being used for no other purpose but to launch Vipers 2. The paradigm of Battlestar design is that they are carriers first, and battleships second. And a main principle of Colonial strategy is getting planes in the air as fast as possible. Mag cat systems are perfect for this. If it has been proven to work (it has) and there is space available on these ships (there is) the designers would include them 3. Given the smaller Viper complement on a Valkyrie, and limited space, a faster launch rate becomes even more important. Let's say Valkyrie has only 20 planes; she needs to deploy a fighter screen to defend her underside in the event of contact. If they were just floating out of the pods, it's going to take longer to launch something that can defend the ship from raiders, long enough for a threat to get inside of the minimum range of her CIWS arcs, and the ship is in serious trouble. By using catapults a Valkyrie-type can get it's airwing into action in much less time, and they would already be at a better velocity to attack or defend the ship
To add to that, we know from Galactica that, even with a MagCat system, you still need a pretty good run up to spit a Viper out at combat speed. Without getting the tape measure out, it's impossible to say just how long the launch tubes are, but given the length of time we see the Vipers in the tubes for when they're being launched from Galactica, I don't think it'd be too far off the mark to say that they need pretty much the full width of Galactica's flight pods to get up to speed. So, here's a thing. If you look at the online ship comparisons that are out there, the Valkyrie's flight pods are obviously much narrower than Galactica's, but they are almost exactly as twice as long as Galactica's are wide. Now, if you look at the length of the tubes under the Valkyrie's flight pods, they don't run the full length. They stop short of the front of the flight pods and stop even shorter still at the rear. The tubes under the Valkyrie's flight pods actual length is only about half as long as the flight pods themselves. Or, to put it another way, the tubes under the Valkyrie's flight pods are pretty much the same length as the width of widest section of Galactica's flight pods... right where her launch tubes are located.
First off I do like this video and I like your work it's excellent. That being said I think you missed a critical point about having the launch tubes in space combat. It's less about saving fuel or not having enough takeoff room (like our modern carriers). Instead it's more about getting the combat craft up to attack speed as fast as possible, particularly if the ship is under attack from combat spacecraft that have already reached their attack velocity.
The show or movie additions, no matter how bad or questionable, UNLESS like Lore says the Franchise owner said otherwise, is possibly reality in a lore. MAYBE, the stuff we dont like is just predecessors to what we do like.. stuff like that to tie it all together and... you know... make a lore verse..
How is launching vipers from the hangers better than the tubes? They could get attacked at any moment so the launch tubes are there for rapid development
Allso moving the vipers from main body storage to the launch tubes would take more time.Than if their were lauched from the main body lauch tubes.As in the Jupiter class.
That seems a bit odd the ship can't jump if the hangers are damaged? What if all the hangers vipers get destroyed? Sounds like a design flaw but what do I know, I thought Vipers launched out of tubes from the front section of the hangers and the aft section was for recovery (similar to aircraft carrier). Interesting, makes more sense to have launch tubes on the super structure and the hangers were for recovery and maintenance. I think that is what Lore meant?
No they launched from tubes but were recovered aircraft carrier style in the main sections of the pods( though in the original it wasn't fly through hanger it was a forward and aft bays for different spacecraft).
The explanation, as far as I understand, is that the FTL drives create some form of bubble around the ship. The Galactica is over 20-40 years old and thus the bubble is unstable at that distance. So for it to be safe, the ship has to cocoon itself in a way.
Tubes are actually logical, they are for rapid reaction squadron. Either that or you dock loaded and fueled vipers into launch bay, taking valuable space that may be used for raptors or landing of another craft. Just ask Kidō Butai how well all that fully loaded strike crafts worked for them. Besides, there is literally no reason you can`t launch both vipers and missiles from same tube. Astartes Strike Cruisers do that trick, after all.
Like the response and clarification of ip's and canon. (For another group.... Again.) Keep push all these semi-religis sifi groups. You opened my eyes on how I remembered star trek. Please keep up on Babylon 5. I loved that show and would like to see your take on it. P.S. video quality is going up good work man.
Ok, I’m not going to call you names, tell you you’re the personification of evil, or any of that. Just going to point a couple things out. First, the Valkyrie-type battlestar is approximately half the size of Galactica. So fewer launch tubes facing forward makes sense, at least to me. Next the battlestar fandom wiki says the launch tubes are at the front of the flight pods, for that reason. (But that’s a fandom wiki) If I may I’d also like to point out that the idea of the launch tubes seems to be a catapult system similar to current earth based aircraft carriers. That’s just my opinion your results may vary
Weeel you asked me to come at you bro. Though I want to do it in a respectable manner and not just a straight brawl. Mostly because anyone can wipe me clean off the face of the earth that way. So the tubes on the underside of the Valk. are Viper Launch tubes. The rockets are launched sideways as seen in season 3 episode 8 "hero". Here's the clip: th-cam.com/video/9QScNpBOJXA/w-d-xo.html 5:35-5:45 in that video to be precise. Now onto the pods and the tubes. Let me pull Galactica here for a second. The service area where Chief Tyrol and the deck gang hangs out is not the same as the runway inside the pod. That is basically a landing strip. In the 2003 miniseries, you can see Lee land on a platform and his Viper Mk VII being lowered into the flight deck. The Launch tubes are baseically used as a way to launch fighters quickly without having the need to de-pressurize the entire deck. And if you look closely at the Valkyrie, there is a small -About Viper Launch-tube sized- bulge under each pod between the tubes and the landing bay. I admit, that I have no solid evidence in this, but I would bet my ass on being a small deck like the one on galactica in there.
First off, f*cking fantastic intro. Second off, I think the Valkyrie could have Launch tubes, but only when modified, or is a sub-class, the Valkyrie is supposed to be a front line tactical cruiser, the Pegasus-type is supposed to be a Jupiter-class ( Galactica type ), on steroids, and the Galactica is also a tactical cruiser, pretty much all battlestars are, I see no logical reason for why the Pegasus has launch tubes, but the Valkyrie does not, if your assumption of the launch tubes taking up tons of space is an actual reason, than I’d argue it makes less sense for the Pegasus to have the launch tubes, it’s easily 10 times the dry mass of the Valkyrie, and it has hangers the size of the Valkyrie itself, if the United Colonies had half a brain they’d load the Pegasus up with thousands of Vipers, it makes no sense for why the Pegasus would waste so much space on launch tubes, as you said Lore, if It took twice as long to launch Vipers from the tubes than it does through the bay ( I highly doubt this, but let’s say it for sake of argument ), than why have launch tubes? Yes fuel is a concern, but it is several hundred meters, the fuel saved is negligible when comparing to ships deployed, most battles in BSG take place over an area of a few kilometers, the aircraft we have today can fly a lap around the planet... God knows what insane technology they have, not even mentioning they are in space, so they could just give a little jolt with the fuel, and just drift to their target, it makes no sense for why the Colonials would even use launch tubes if this was the case... But it’s not. Launch tubes take up little to no space, it’s just a bunch of magnetic rails and about 30 or so meters of space, (which is around the thickness of the flight pod might I add ), if not less, they’re used to quickly deploy fighter craft that are already loaded, the Galactica has 80, god knows how many the Pegasus would have, let’s say the Valkyrie has 30, they can deploy 30 vipers in a matter of seconds, than launch the rest in about a minute, this strategy is most likely used by the Galactica, and Pegasus. It’s been a good year sense I’ve done anything BSG related, if I made any mistakes please correct me, but from what I remember in the show, I’m pretty sure I’m right.
The launch tubes were a carry over from The 1979 Battlestar Galactiga. Also a MK 7 viper only has 30 minutes of combat flight fuel and 300 rounds per gun. So launch tubes will help get vipers to intercept speeds with the Valkyrie type Battlestars. Plus much like missiles the vipers can be loaded and launched more quickly than the launches of aircraft carriers.
@@LoreReloaded how many iterations of the Bible do we have? How close to the "supposed" time of Jesus are they? Can you compare them to other ancient writings?
@@LoreReloaded A good couple of videos to watch would be "Patterns of Evidence Exodus" and "The Moses Controversy" They would be good places to start for the Old Testament. Maybe a personal email would be a better way to communicate than on here.
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OK I KNOW! SORRY! This has clips from the show.. NBC reached out to me and released everything and even granted me ability to use their stuff.. sorry!
Wait, a tv studio allowed you to use their stuff, what timeline are you from?
Thats cool still a huge fan lore and still watch everything you bring out i have deadlock and grew up watching the original series on tv
Maybe you should do some lore on the original Battlestar Galactiga.
This whole thing has been a real kerfuffle for you
dumb missiles are rockets, rocket artillery, in pretty much all if not all cases, but would probably have a special designation if they were designed to work in space. would need more fuel tanks or much larger oxygen supply or something to have range in space.
Calm down people! we all are here to enjoy the BSG series! No one is perfect! I myself enjoy what this gentleman has done with the information! Thank you very much for all your hard work! 👍
For anyone curious Battlestar Galactica Deadlock and all its DLC is on sale over at Steam for $45.00
Weren’t the tubes suppose to be installed on Tuesday?
no. wednesday. the staff shows on tuesday, cuz unions.
I will reorganise the catering then. Can I please get included in future memos and changes.
Only if the Battlestar in question was designated "Enterprise."
An will someone, PLEASE, think of the familes... cuz we cant neglect their comfort and safety while our warships they on are involved in a life and death, win or die, space navy battle.
Sounds family star trek generations.
They can not launch as fast from the pods. You forget lore.... There are no Shields etc in bsg. Those pods are open to space. They need to move the fighters from a air pressurized hanger, via a airlock to those pods. So launch tubes with are like a gun loaded with bullets is faster.
Re-upload of an update? Wow! I admire your resolve.
RIGHT!?
*Repost from original video*
The hangars in Battlestars are similar to those on Nimitz-Class Carriers with Vipers and Raptors stored towards center mass like Hornets and Prowlers are stored below deck respectively. Every carrier has several aircraft top deck to be rapidly launched from the Catapult System in case of enemy contact because it takes vital battle deciding minutes to bring up whole squadrons from below and launch them. Those six tubes are mostlikely always loaded for the same purpose, but only for those Alert Vipers while the deck crew brings out the rest of the Wing to launch from the deck en mass. Those unfamiliar with Carrier Ops and Maritime Air Warfare first hand can easily see those tubes as impractical but just talk to someone who served in a MAW or on a Aircraft Carrier and we'll see there use right away hence why BSG and Aaron Douglas (Chief) still has a large dedicated Active Duty and Veteran fanbase.
At least its not the SDF Macross/ Do you remember love? Controversy that long time Macross fans are laughing at.
@5:07 Yes, it has a weakness which makes launch tubes an overall improvement: using the landing bay to launch ships is slow. Very slow. With these small bays, (and I know this is speculation) there should be 2 Lifts per pod maximum. That lift takes what, 20 seconds to launch a raptor on Galactica? Because you have to wait for significantly larger doors to close, then depressurise the lift, and only then open it up and launch the ships. The hangars we see in BSG aren't the landing strips seen on the 3D Model. The fighters aren't stored in the Landing area, but below it. Viper launch tubes take about 10 seconds to launch a viper into combat *(at significant speed and 0% Risk of hitting the main ship due to it manouvering whilst you're taking off)* whilst these lifts take so long and if the ship changes its orbital velocity whilst you take off, you're most likely dead. Also, the Valkyrie is 649 meters long. That puts the Viper launch tubes into the same scale. Missile launch tubes are utilised by this ship, multiple Anti-Fighter Silos and 6 Ship to ship missile launchers. These are located on turret like rotating weapon emplacements. And these missiles are, as basically all other colonial ship to ship missiles, about the size of one of a Mk VII Viper's engines. These launch tubes are to scale with launch tubes on Galactica on the show, and the same for Vipers. So, *_tueybare viper launch tubes._* Sidenote: the BSG definition of Missiles is that they are guided. "Dumb Fire Missiles" are called rockets. Like the things on assault raptors.
@5:10 you did consider that Viper launch tubes take a massive amount of length of you only have 250m of space. Like a MAC on a Halo UNSC ship, they are Magnetic. That's the whole point of using them.
@5:55 the 3D model indicates the launch tubes go in pretty damn far. Like, they are below the hangar deck, at least you'd assume that 1.5 times the launch tubes of vertical space directly below the *LANDING STRIP* is used for that.
Great video(s)! I’ll add my two Cubits on the matter:
If you look at all the shots of the launch pods on the various Battlestars, you see that they are almost always completely open to the vacuum of space and also quite devoid of Vipers, Raptors, etc. We can literally look through the pods like looking through a scope. And when we look through them, do we see some or even numerous Vipers just sitting there on the deck waiting for their turn to fly out and join the fight?
And even if we did, wouldn’t that be a huge liability if the Battlestar in question had to retreat in a hurry and suddenly gave the order to recall all Vipers and Raptors? I’d think it would be difficult to land your compliment of ships on a hanger deck already littered with ships who never had the time or ability to launch from the pods.
This is why having launch tubes just makes infinitely more sense. Launch all your Vipers from the tubes, your Raptors from the pods by way of the flight deck, and use the empty flight deck to recall all forces when the fight is won or if a hasty jump is needed.
On the Valkyrie, I think they are launch tubes (for Vipers) and not missile or rocket pods/launchers.
Until they are used on screen as viper launch tubes I agree with you lore
On the other hand, they haven't been seen to be used as missile tubes either. We do see the Valkyrie fire a missile but it isn't from either of those six tubes.
In this specific case that'd be like me saying that I don't know the hamburger I just ordered is a hamburger until the cook comes out and explicitly _tells_ me it's a hamburger. In other cases I'd completely agree with you, But this is so clear cut. Using deductive reasoning it becomes obvious that them _not_ being launch tubes makes no sense
I posted a separate comment including 3 reasons why they are for Vipers, but again if you ask yourself what else they could be, then try to come up with explanations for those options you'll see what I mean
Can now officially confirm the bottom parts ARE launch tubes. Just got the official Eaglemoss model and the booklet says they are tubes :)
Eagle moss doesn’t decide alpha canon... but be nice to put that to rest :p
Those are Viper tubes, the reason why the Valkyire has so few is because she's not a main line heavy hitter. She's way smaller than the Jupiters and Mercuries. She has a very different role, but she still uses Vipers, just due to her size not in those massive quantities main battlestars would.
This is a case of having to go with what the designer intended until something official comes along and says otherwise. If the designer says they are launch tubes, then they are launch tubes.
If looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it isn't a mongoose.
I personally think they are launch tubes for the reason that it follows real life examples
If you look at modern flattop aircraft carriers they typically have 3 launch catapults, 2 isolated and forward facing and 1 on the canted runway
This allows the catapults to be used to sortie fresh aircraft from 2 catapults and simultaneously recover aircraft from returning flight operations or launch a 3rd craft depending on circumstances
It also means the landing strip can be maintained clear of aircraft on taxi or ascent reducing the chances of accidents during failed landings
I would propose they are the same purpose
The tubes sortie Vipers forwards and allow selective use to the pods simultaneously for either Raptor launch or craft recovery as the mission demands
This means that returning vipers can always approach safely and any approach from the pod rear need not worry about airspace congestion in combat meaning they can have a good sustained sortie rate despite their smaller size without the need for substantive flight control micromanagement shipside
On US supercarriers, there are two bow catapults and two waist catapults at somewhat diferent angles.
@@mjbull5156 I was under the impression that one of the waist catapults was not for standard use and was over used solely for max weight take-offs of their utility transport craft?
Either way the point of the post still remains
First off, love your videos bro. Who cares if you "missed" or "mislabeled" something, we all have our own ideas how shit works in this show since they didn't get crazy techish in order to focus on the story. Keep doing you, brother.
It ALWAYS bothered me why Galactica NEEDED to retract its landing pods in order to jump. Like..why? lol It's a structurally sound BEAST (minus the frakking corners they cut during construction.) Take Cloud 9 or ANY of the other smaller ships that aren't as structurally sound (like the one with the big ass ring around it that looks like an artificial gravity ring). How does that thing not fall apart when it jumps, but Galactica NEEDS it's pods in? haha. Just kinda silly to me. Best frakking show in existence STILL, regardless.
truthfully I think that's a safety measure designed into galactica...if that not than paranoia...as in its less a structural weakness and more a tactical weakness...its silly yes but something that could be explained if given the right hints
Ah, good point that I had not considered. That does make sense!
You worked quickly on this
Didn't expect this video to exist tbh
Took me a day or two, just had to get NBC to release claims.
@@LoreReloaded well done on this it was a good watch
And I think we both agree when it comes to B&C as we may not like it, but it's cannon
There is one (maybe) cannon thing that says directly that those tubes are Viper launch tubes, the Eaglemoss pamphlet that comes with the Valkyrie. I know, I know, it’s kinda stupid, but it does directly point to the tubes under the flight pods and say that they are Viper launch tubes.
They are viper launch tubes why have missile launch tubes under you hanger bay cause what if one locks onto a viper coming out of the hanger oops I do agree with you
They are launch tubes. You would have the launch tubes so that your hanger bay crew could work in atmosphere. The vipers being in that lower hanger section would allow crews also to work on them in atmosphere. I believe the pods and the deck that you see are for recovery purposes and you would try to separate recovery from the Work hanger and launch tubes loading area in case there was damage during recovery.operations.
Yeah the reason the Pegasus doesn't retract it's flightpods is because of the advancement of technology, materials, and building techniques in the class. It removed the necessity for them to extend and retract.
They are launch tubes. Vipers launch out of them in Deadlock. Launch tubes do not primarily exist to allow the Jupiter-class to launch Vipers without extending the pods-that's just a bonus (e.g. the Adama maneuver). Launch tubes are mainly to conserve fuel by using magnetic accelerators as well as to launch tons of Vipers as quickly and efficiently as possible. I kinda do feel that it's almost not cost effective to have them on a Valkyrie considering the small number of them but whatever.
I said it in the discord server when I first saw the video because I knew it would be controversial, you deal in actual on screen lore and other things that can be 100% confirmed, it's why I never had a problem with the first video, while I did think the first Valkyrie video was a bit off, it was because of my prior knowladge to the fannon/beta lore, I do think a compelling case can be made for them being both launch tubes (See the smaller colonial ships in deadlock like the Adamant and such that have launch tubes which would scale to the same size of ship) Or missile launchers (See: The reason given in the video for foreward mounted dumb-ordinance firing launchers) We honestly don't know either way. 10/10 for both videos.
I was going to give him credit for making this video admitting he made a mistake but alas he just doubles down on triangle shaped missile exposed tubes right under the flight deck....
Vipers are support craft thats supposed to fly into oncoming missiles and enemy craft to act as a screen.
The Really huge Battlestars are hybrid battleships and carriers. Thats why you see the Galactica akways turn sideways towards the enemy putting up flak and launching vipers into incoming threats.
The Valkyrie is a escort support Battlestar so it will face towards the enemy presenting less of the ship towards the enemy as seen in the series so it's launch tubes will face forwards towards incoming threats.
This may have been a nod to the orginal series where the Galcatica's launch tubes mounted along the long axis of the hangar pod (though this was not shown very clearly).
I think you are wrong. Look at the schematics in this forum www.trekbbs.com/threads/how-long-were-those-launch-tubes-on-original-galactica.290633/ The launch tubes are not mounted along the long axis, the are just angled compared to the new Galactica
Has anyone considered that the Valkyerie and Jupiter classes have a much different size to them. This goes back to my original statement on the first video regarding these videos. The Valkyerie is a small ship I think a 2/3 of a kilometer long. The Jupiter is 2 Kilometers. And the Mercury is 3-4 maybe 5... is massive. Now, you have an idea of the scale and all the 'stuff' that has to be packed into it. Guns, ammo, engines, power plants, Vipers, Raptors, crew quarters, pantrys, fuel, etc into a smaller ship. Now those flight pods are not the same size as the Jupiter-classes - so the air wing would not be as big. And the hanger bays are definately tighter and more compact due to the ship's size. I do agree having the Viper Launch System would take up valuable deck space that would otherwise be used for additional viper capacity. But, being able to get vipers in the air NOW rather than 30 seconds to a minute later in a nuke fight... It depends on if you have pilots that are like Starbuck that can shoot down nukes...
I go back to my original point the Valkyerie is small and is treated to be a small Battlestar. If the Viper Launch Systems had to be designed parallel to the pods instead of outwards then fans wiuld be raising hell with that too.
There was something I read, don’t remember where, but it gave an explanation for the ghost fleets different ships. Like what I think was a Jupiter that had something like 20 of those battlestar artillery guns on its dorsal hull when the galactica only had 8, as a refit to increase firepower and speed at the cost of armor. May have been a fan explanation but in my opinion it makes sense for a fleet that isn’t supposed to exist to be fast yet heavy hitting. Able to destroy a target and get out before reinforcements arrive.
They are definitely launch tubes for vipers. Why?
1. There would be no reason to shape them exactly like Vipers if they were just for missiles. In fact, it'd be counterproductive by introducing a larger attack surface exposed to the interior of the ship. As in giant gaps in the armor, when for missiles a circular hole just big enough for the ordnance would do. And we see tubes shaped exactly like this on Galactica, being used for no other purpose but to launch Vipers
2. The paradigm of Battlestar design is that they are carriers first, and battleships second. And a main principle of Colonial strategy is getting planes in the air as fast as possible. Mag cat systems are perfect for this. If it has been proven to work (it has) and there is space available on these ships (there is) the designers would include them
3. Given the smaller Viper complement on a Valkyrie, and limited space, a faster launch rate becomes even more important. Let's say Valkyrie has only 20 planes; she needs to deploy a fighter screen to defend her underside in the event of contact. If they were just floating out of the pods, it's going to take longer to launch something that can defend the ship from raiders, long enough for a threat to get inside of the minimum range of her CIWS arcs, and the ship is in serious trouble. By using catapults a Valkyrie-type can get it's airwing into action in much less time, and they would already be at a better velocity to attack or defend the ship
To add to that, we know from Galactica that, even with a MagCat system, you still need a pretty good run up to spit a Viper out at combat speed. Without getting the tape measure out, it's impossible to say just how long the launch tubes are, but given the length of time we see the Vipers in the tubes for when they're being launched from Galactica, I don't think it'd be too far off the mark to say that they need pretty much the full width of Galactica's flight pods to get up to speed.
So, here's a thing. If you look at the online ship comparisons that are out there, the Valkyrie's flight pods are obviously much narrower than Galactica's, but they are almost exactly as twice as long as Galactica's are wide. Now, if you look at the length of the tubes under the Valkyrie's flight pods, they don't run the full length. They stop short of the front of the flight pods and stop even shorter still at the rear. The tubes under the Valkyrie's flight pods actual length is only about half as long as the flight pods themselves. Or, to put it another way, the tubes under the Valkyrie's flight pods are pretty much the same length as the width of widest section of Galactica's flight pods... right where her launch tubes are located.
First off I do like this video and I like your work it's excellent. That being said I think you missed a critical point about having the launch tubes in space combat. It's less about saving fuel or not having enough takeoff room (like our modern carriers). Instead it's more about getting the combat craft up to attack speed as fast as possible, particularly if the ship is under attack from combat spacecraft that have already reached their attack velocity.
If you google "Valkyrie flight pods" image, One of the first images is a flight pod layout...
Well if google says its right..
The show or movie additions, no matter how bad or questionable, UNLESS like Lore says the Franchise owner said otherwise, is possibly reality in a lore. MAYBE, the stuff we dont like is just predecessors to what we do like.. stuff like that to tie it all together and... you know... make a lore verse..
How is launching vipers from the hangers better than the tubes? They could get attacked at any moment so the launch tubes are there for rapid development
Allso moving the vipers from main body storage to the launch tubes would take more time.Than if their were lauched from the main body lauch tubes.As in the Jupiter class.
Perhaps they are tubes that allow deployment from the pressurized interior of the ship vs. a flight pod that is exposed to space?
That seems a bit odd the ship can't jump if the hangers are damaged? What if all the hangers vipers get destroyed? Sounds like a design flaw but what do I know, I thought Vipers launched out of tubes from the front section of the hangers and the aft section was for recovery (similar to aircraft carrier). Interesting, makes more sense to have launch tubes on the super structure and the hangers were for recovery and maintenance. I think that is what Lore meant?
No they launched from tubes but were recovered aircraft carrier style in the main sections of the pods( though in the original it wasn't fly through hanger it was a forward and aft bays for different spacecraft).
@@barrybend7189 Yes I understand that now when I watched this good video, but thanks for double clarification.
@@SurfTrekTonics also helped the original Columbia class battlestar was 1255 meters in length( sited by Battlestar Galactiga tech.com).
The explanation, as far as I understand, is that the FTL drives create some form of bubble around the ship. The Galactica is over 20-40 years old and thus the bubble is unstable at that distance. So for it to be safe, the ship has to cocoon itself in a way.
@@barrybend7189 1255 meters, sounds good to me...lol
Tubes are actually logical, they are for rapid reaction squadron. Either that or you dock loaded and fueled vipers into launch bay, taking valuable space that may be used for raptors or landing of another craft. Just ask Kidō Butai how well all that fully loaded strike crafts worked for them.
Besides, there is literally no reason you can`t launch both vipers and missiles from same tube. Astartes Strike Cruisers do that trick, after all.
Like the response and clarification of ip's and canon. (For another group.... Again.) Keep push all these semi-religis sifi groups. You opened my eyes on how I remembered star trek. Please keep up on Babylon 5. I loved that show and would like to see your take on it.
P.S. video quality is going up good work man.
Those are launch tunes. Eaglemoss says so.
Ok, I’m not going to call you names, tell you you’re the personification of evil, or any of that. Just going to point a couple things out.
First, the Valkyrie-type battlestar is approximately half the size of Galactica. So fewer launch tubes facing forward makes sense, at least to me.
Next the battlestar fandom wiki says the launch tubes are at the front of the flight pods, for that reason. (But that’s a fandom wiki)
If I may I’d also like to point out that the idea of the launch tubes seems to be a catapult system similar to current earth based aircraft carriers.
That’s just my opinion your results may vary
I wonder how much power we could get from the engines if we added a meaty cam shaft,. and a super charger?
Lol my. Comment 8 made yesterday disappeared....
BSG baby
They appear to be a series of tubes. Much like the internet.
Weeel you asked me to come at you bro.
Though I want to do it in a respectable manner and not just a straight brawl.
Mostly because anyone can wipe me clean off the face of the earth that way.
So the tubes on the underside of the Valk. are Viper Launch tubes.
The rockets are launched sideways as seen in season 3 episode 8 "hero".
Here's the clip:
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5:35-5:45 in that video to be precise.
Now onto the pods and the tubes.
Let me pull Galactica here for a second. The service area where Chief Tyrol and the deck gang hangs out is not the same as the runway inside the pod. That is basically a landing strip. In the 2003 miniseries, you can see Lee land on a platform and his Viper Mk VII being lowered into the flight deck. The Launch tubes are baseically used as a way to launch fighters quickly without having the need to de-pressurize the entire deck.
And if you look closely at the Valkyrie, there is a small -About Viper Launch-tube sized- bulge under each pod between the tubes and the landing bay.
I admit, that I have no solid evidence in this, but I would bet my ass on being a small deck like the one on galactica in there.
First off, f*cking fantastic intro.
Second off, I think the Valkyrie could have Launch tubes, but only when modified, or is a sub-class, the Valkyrie is supposed to be a front line tactical cruiser, the Pegasus-type is supposed to be a Jupiter-class ( Galactica type ), on steroids, and the Galactica is also a tactical cruiser, pretty much all battlestars are, I see no logical reason for why the Pegasus has launch tubes, but the Valkyrie does not, if your assumption of the launch tubes taking up tons of space is an actual reason, than I’d argue it makes less sense for the Pegasus to have the launch tubes, it’s easily 10 times the dry mass of the Valkyrie, and it has hangers the size of the Valkyrie itself, if the United Colonies had half a brain they’d load the Pegasus up with thousands of Vipers, it makes no sense for why the Pegasus would waste so much space on launch tubes, as you said Lore, if
It took twice as long to launch Vipers from the tubes than it does through the bay ( I highly doubt this, but let’s say it for sake of argument ), than why have launch tubes? Yes fuel is a concern, but it is several hundred meters, the fuel saved is negligible when comparing to ships deployed, most battles in BSG take place over an area of a few kilometers, the aircraft we have today can fly a lap around the planet... God knows what insane technology they have, not even mentioning they are in space, so they could just give a little jolt with the fuel, and just drift to their target, it makes no sense for why the Colonials would even use launch tubes if this was the case... But it’s not.
Launch tubes take up little to no space, it’s just a bunch of magnetic rails and about 30 or so meters of space, (which is around the thickness of the flight pod might I add ), if not less, they’re used to quickly deploy fighter craft that are already loaded, the Galactica has 80, god knows how many the Pegasus would have, let’s say the Valkyrie has 30, they can deploy 30 vipers in a matter of seconds, than launch the rest in about a minute, this strategy is most likely used by the Galactica, and Pegasus.
It’s been a good year sense I’ve done anything BSG related, if I made any mistakes please correct me, but from what I remember in the show, I’m pretty sure I’m right.
The launch tubes were a carry over from The 1979 Battlestar Galactiga. Also a MK 7 viper only has 30 minutes of combat flight fuel and 300 rounds per gun. So launch tubes will help get vipers to intercept speeds with the Valkyrie type Battlestars. Plus much like missiles the vipers can be loaded and launched more quickly than the launches of aircraft carriers.
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Great video Lore
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Which fandom has the biggest pricks for comments?
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There isn't much about the Bible that isn't contested... though at the same time, what is in the Bible has been verified.
Verifiied... you say
@@LoreReloaded how many iterations of the Bible do we have? How close to the "supposed" time of Jesus are they? Can you compare them to other ancient writings?
@@LoreReloaded and that's just the new testament. If you look into the old testament, it gets better.
...uh huh
@@LoreReloaded A good couple of videos to watch would be "Patterns of Evidence Exodus" and "The Moses Controversy" They would be good places to start for the Old Testament. Maybe a personal email would be a better way to communicate than on here.