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I'm confused. I've never seen Jeff as being a journalist. He's always been an influencer as long as I've been following him (which has been since 2007)
Yeah, he's been someone who writes features for companies (like "the last days of Game Xxx" detailing the process of launching a game). I don't think he's ever pretended to be unbiased or independent or anything like that.
I remember him having a show on G4, at least i thought so.
@@tequilawhiskey he did have a show, but that makes him about as much a journalist as Stephen Colbert
I’ll say this about Jeff. I seen him on a work trip in Vegas and he was so down to earth he sat at a bar with me ate food and drank while talking about games for an hour or so. He was in no rush and was super nice about me bombarding him with questions. He does a great job of asking me questions and listening. I will forever defend him after that
I like Geoff but his show is going in the wrong direction. Until 2018 it had a good balance between awards and anouncements but since 2019 it’s gone off the park
I feel like gaming youtubers and gaming journalists are jealous of Jeff's work
@@venat- oh they definitely are.
Someone is nice to others doesn't mean he is right. That's all I am going to say. Look, we all have our point of views. His game award show is be called Geoff's VGA. There is no appreciation toward the devs when some of the awards were announced. HIs show is all about the trailers. That's what attract gamers to watch the show. Also, the lack of transparency is really bugging me.
@@baldingsan457 it’s been getting better tbh
Geoff owning the shit out of Angry Joe in an interview is one of the funniest clips of the last decade.
that is a satisfying interview to watch. angry Joe fumbling and stumbling looking like a moron never gets old
I hooe Geoff gets what he deserves eventually, game journos are all bad people
I have always been drawn to this channel for its objectivity and extreme research. I never imagined I would watch multi hour games reviews but Luke makes it so engaging there isn't a click away moment. Really appreciate the integrity.
That Yong Yea dig though lmao
He HATES Yong lol, did that in a recent video too
CD Project Yong
What's the reason for it?
@@TenaciousDDP101 not 100% sure, I just find it funny. But think it might have something today with him shilling for certain publishers
@@TenaciousDDP101 Yong did a total 180 on Cyberpunk, calling it as living up to the hype when he played his review copy. Then once the cat was out of the bag, he flipped and said it was terrible.
He also got a huge crush on Kojima, acting as if the guy can do no wrong, even when he delivers mediocer-at-best games.
In short; he is not objective at all in his reviews and game critique.
The dorito pope thing pales in comparison to the phenomenon right now in game journalism where 99% of games journalists straight up hate the audience they write for and are not shy in letting them know it continuously.
I'll take a thousand dorito popes over one Kotaku any day.
How can you not hate most gamers though
@@ghsf1234 depends what your definition of "most gamers" is. Seems like your assumption of what "most gamers" are like is a bad one. I'd love to see the countless studies and data that your opinion is based on. Maybe you could link them in a reply.
Funnily enough kotaku is the only one who actually do journalism tbh
@@Gabriel-cg9tj They used to, not anymore.
@@ghsf1234 By being a gamer, thing that a journo should be if it's gonna review games, but nope, only the most PC normies become journos it seems...
I’ve been gaming for 40 years. I’ve seen the crash of 84 and the resurrection through Nintendo and Sega. Gaming has become something that was very niche and not talked about. To the glutinous over saturated mess that it is today. And still it’s my favorite hobby because when you find that game you connect with it’s still a great feeling. I Want to thank You for this vid and having the balls to call out people. Bravo.
He didn't really call out any people other than Jeff. He was even cagey about mentioning the companies that _allegedly_ blacklisted him.
On the subject of the state of the industry, more great games are being made now than were 10, 20, 30, even 40 years ago (Jesus I'm old). It's just that the failures feel much bigger than they used to.
@@mechanicalmonk2020 you didn’t see the multiple shots of Yong in clown face and Alana Pierce?
@@Toygains who?
@@mechanicalmonk2020 Not really, AAA realease very few games a year, and most are mediocre, before you would get tons of titles with good quality content, the only games left uncorrupted are obscure indies
Can I be honest, I did some doritos pope memes back in the day but I really like Jeff. I watched his show every year and it seems like they got so much better and professional. And its always cool to see people happy about the good parts and make memes about the cringe ones, but at the end of the day its part of the show. The Kojima emotional rant, the God of war win, the razor robot and all those moments live forever because of him.
Mr. Satoru Iwata tribute was really a beautiful moment and seen Reggie makes me really happy everytime.
Thanks for this video, I found it by chance and it was a cool think, made me nostalgic for some shitr that happen not so long ago.
cheers.
The problem with Geoff for most is the debacle this year where he refused to burn bridges amidst the extreme accusations to activision
I know Goeff since 2014/15 and I've never thought of him as a journalist.
Just a presenter for big shows who isn't completely awkward and cringe like many others.
The death stare and kojima fanboying is more a fun aspect of him xD
games journalist on the other hand (esp. english speaking journalist for websites) seem to be just terrible. Luckily we have youtubers and podcasters
So much this. I don't know why he's being called a journalist or someone who's supposed to be objective
Well he everybody called themselves journos before 2012 so 14being after that is understandable… but nothing changed really we just accepted gaming journalism sites are dogshit and now moved to youtubers and it’s starting again the same cycle of trusting and lying
I love your videos! You always create content that is interesting, entertaining and thoughtful. Thank you for all your hard work.
Yong is basically the most milquetoast game-news-adjacent youtuber out there. If he's reporting on anything that isn't already being jackhammered into the ground by at least three other people, he is never going to say anything too negative about it.
His channel should be called "What Gamers are upset about today"
Yeah tbh the fact that the guy just brings up other people's news articles on screen, and reads them out, while interjecting a few words that agree with whatever is already being said, is pretty much all you need to know about his journalistic integrity.
@@geoffrogers7590 Cyperpunk 10/10 perfect game. I wouldn't know that unless the Yong told me
It should be called r/gaming the channel.
This is most youtubers lol. Afraid to be the first to call shit for what it is. I knew cyber punk was bad before launch i knew it was. And i had to watch person after person here dance around the fact that it was bad so many people wouldnt say it. They biggest thing they said was it has some technical bugs. I could see it on their face they were holding it in. Game was broken and they didnt want to say anything because they were scared
Is there beef between Luke and Yong or is this just banter? I feel I've missed something.
he won´t answer...
cyberpunk..... Yong posted a supposedly biased review lauding the game as genius only to do a 180 as soon as it became clear it was a buggy mess and then cashed in on adsense revenue by stoking outrage around the game he'd hailed as incredible. oh, and then he deleted his review.....
@@consumeproduce True. He is also the nick strength and power of gaming. reads out a bunch of articles and says nothing after minutes of rambling. and yeah, fake af
No public beef to my knowledge. Merely just calling him out for being a fake journalist who reads other peoples articles while barely adding his own perspective and playing up his hype to get free stuff from publishers.
@@illustriousindividual1077 that isn’t bad inherently, Nick is a good guy and is a source for most people in a disjointed field of sport, nobody hated Yong for his work too since he made a insanely big shitty journalism/news scene easily attainable but the problem is he thought his work equaled journalism or the ability to use his viewers as cash cows
I've never payed any attention to Jeff until the last couple of years when people wouldn't stop banging on about the game awards like they actually meant something. Until then I didn't even know the guy existed. I still pay very little attention to him other than to roll my eyes every year and still not give a shit about the game awards.
Well arent you exciting. Enjoy e3, not
What a great friggin video, Luke. You nailed it on the head.
18:33 is brutal.
“Seems to have moved on from this”
Still banning people to this day if they send him Dorito Pope Memes
No I don’t think he’s moved on lol
love this kind of gaming history video Luke. A welcome addition to the channel. 👏🏻
Very good coverage! Thanks.
Jason Shrierer admitted to knowing about abuse at Activision Blizzard but didn't report on it.
Yeah, wasn’t it because he didn’t like the political opinions of the guy who leaked it to him or some petty shit like that?
Luke Stephens your mini docs are the stuff of legend 💯
“the stage presence of a decorative autumn squash” YOOOO I DIED 🤣💀💀💀
love these documentary style vids btw
I'm just here to say that I can see the monster drink tattoo perfectly fine even in my mobile screen thumbnail.
@Ty Bey There is a monster logo beneath his eye
I don’t have a problem with Yong. He got swept up in the Cyberpunk hype, like most did. He did apologize about not fairly representing the game. Alanah didn’t even bother to say much about it. Anyone who calls out the BS of the gaming industry is doing an important job for me. Because I know who to not give my money to.
Yong has been caught lying like monthly… his Cyberpunk review was massive and thus a massive lie and even his apology was dogshit, Alanah tho i like and i she prolly truly apologized and moved on but she also did lie
He's just a CDPR shill lol.If Say EA released a game like that with those strict restrictions and God awful performance,he would have had a field day tearing them apart and be outraged.Not like a pathetic apologist like he was for CDPR.
"He got swept up in the Cyberpunk hype"
Anyone who does that has no business in making reviews. He is never to be trusted.
@@Gabriel-cg9tj I like Alanah as well but can you share her apology for the CP2077 thing? Because as far I was able find, at no point did she ever apologize for lying to her viewers.
And every time she was called out for it, she just said “I didn’t lie/you misunderstood what it said/I only played the demo on pc so it ran perfectly (deliberately not addressing the lack of actual content in the game and the false nature of its RPG mechanics)
At least Alanah didn’t review the game and acknowledged that she was biased, unlike Skills Up and others.
On one hand I completely agree but also the way the industry is set up it promotes this kind of behaviour. Burning a bridge with a publisher to never receive a review/early copy again could be a big problem for a reviewer that relies on delivering those early hands on previews or reviews. It's a very competitive and corrupt environment where you either keep your dignity and go broke or keep your mouth shut if you wanna make a living out of it. It all comes down to how you have it set up in life but I understand that the 1st choice is harder for some people.
yes and no… many are now building on the peoples backlash on these reviews.. like Luke and imo SkillUp
Unfortunately I agree. The ‘let’s criticize the industry to make it better!’ is either a very naive outlook for a TH-camr or hoping their own audience is naive. Game-makers are not interested in criticism. They’re interested in tweaking some elements to make the game more playable but they don’t need TH-camrs for it. They get their feedback through spam if something’s not alright. The TH-camrs who report about this spam are just capitalizing on the outrage.
@@morgana4542 Journalism shouldn't care about getting the copies earlier, tho, it must provide actual content, dishonest journos should be banned
Discovered your channel yesterday so happy to have a new video from you already already subscribed and everything love your content bro
Great video man. Always a great listen. Shoutout to yongyea though. Absolutely hilarious
The History Channel should be talking about events like this that are remarkably important and influential in understanding the human condition and humanities' actions and behaviors over the course of the past few centuries.
They won't because they don't take anything seriously cx they just nitpick what they think is important. History will be harder to write as well because we have more data about this time period than any other time period
[Shots Fired] F**k me, Luke really loves to dig at Yong Yea. 🤣🤣🤣.
I have no animosity towards Yong, but that clown filter made me laugh. and Yong is a Kojima fanboy so...
(I used to love Kojima too, but after MGS5 and Death Stranding, I grew tired of his fanbase defending his obvious slip ups)
I love Death Stranding, but it’s clearly not made for everybody. Lol
Nice Yong filter.
I seen that and was like wtf?? Did he really wear face paint like that? Haha I'm dumb
Name all the names Luke. What's the harm now?
He doesn't have the balls.
I stopped watching yong a couple years ago. I just had a feeling that he doesn't play half the games he talks about.😑
Definitely doesn't. He couldn't even name gta sa characters when discussing it lol
Update in 2022: The 2022 Game Awards will forever be remembered for the Bill Clinton Kid instead of the games.
The Dorito Pope commands thy to drink code red and eat doritos and play COD!
That young Angry Joe
Also the Spike VGA’s as far as I could tell, were in no way run or controlled by jeff. It was Viacom, and Worldwide Biggies production company. Jeff was kind of like a consultant/mascot figure. That’s how it came off anyway.
good video. well put-together. i nvr knew any of this. i do have one critique tho: at no point in the video did you ever explain where the "pope" part came in
6:00 LOL
I think it's a double edged sword. Because Geoff DID help gaming reach a wider more mainstream audience. I mean this year's Game Awards earned a total of 85 million global livestreams. This is considerably higher than the Golden Globes, the Oscars and the Grammys COMBINED, which are considered mainstream events. But at the same time... When something becomes popular, it also becomes more likely to be the victim of corporate greed. Which is what we're seeing with micro-transactions and loot boxes in games, but also with the non stop ads and useless filler in The Game Awards. Hopefully, that same greed will encourage publishers to inject money into actual talent and games instead of lifeless cash grabs lol. I have faith that one day, The Game Awards will be great. One day.
Jason is an amazing investigative journalist, but a man-child otherwise. He blocks people on Twitter for the great crime of following people he has blocked.
Even if they have never interacted with him themselves. He creates an echo-chamber of people who only praise him.
The reality nowadays is that the term “journalist” ought to be taken as loosely as the French meant it to be. A journalist was someone who was supposed to keep account of daily events. Today we have investigators, reporters, observers, analysts, critiques, influencers and many others - all representing an aspect of journalism, all being part of the same profession.
If a “journalist” or anyone would only touch, let alone like, Doritos, Cyberpunk 2077 etc, when they were payed for it - it’s a false advertisement & ultimately- an ethical problem. But if they like it AND get payed for it, it slips into a grey zone. I’d feel too modest to claim to always know if a person displays genuine love or fakes it. In the end genuineness of intent is almost impossible to prove or disprove.
99% of the time when someone says "games journalist", they mean critic. The other 1% of the time they mean reporter.
When someone does actual journalism I think it's customary to call them an SJW
@@mechanicalmonk2020 👍
Nice to see someone call yong out on his cyberpunk review, literally the next videos after his review were about the unplayable state of the game. Unsubbed after that kerfuffle
Never eaten a single one dorito chip and proud of it!!
If I remember correctly, Karig from ACG had a good video basically calling out all these early impressions from hype men for cyberpunk 2077, noting that they either deliberately ignored or brushed off (i.e. mislead viewers) the buggy nature that was well beyond simple fixes.
P.s. not sure if the Alanah clips were intentional, but she's open in her involvement and biases etc.
Did I miss something, why does Luke hate Yong so much
While I agree with most of the stuff you said in this video, I have to say it also does come a little holier than thou. Regardless great video as always.
You should cover the Jeff Gerstmann debacle.
Hating on Jeff is like kicking a baby
The industry is usually a embarrassment
I like Geoff. Sure he has generated some great cringe but he seems like a legit guy that just loves games and wants to honor the the creators and culture of video games. I enjoy the game awards but hopefully they can focus more on the the awards and giving the winners their due. Keep it up Geoff, looking forward to TGA 2024!
I respect Geoff and his contributions to the industry.
All about dat swag bro
"The Dorito Pope" LMAO I've never heard of this before 🤣 I admire Geoff Keighley, but it does seem like he sucks up to corporations quite a bit. I love how the only person who was slandered more than him in this video is Yong Yea 💀
The Dorito Pope was a legendary meme a decade ago. Halo 4 is ten years old, now.
Finally, this exactly the content I needed
Are we ever gonna get an ultimate critique of GTA V ?? Still waiting bruh!
Overrated gave
Not sure if the dig at Alanah Pearce is fair. She's been very open about the fact that she should not be considered a games journalist since she left IGN, and that was long before she got the free chair and the inclusion in Cyberpunk 2077 as a character. She openly and strongly and repeatedly said no one should consider her opinion on it fair and unbiased as a result.
She lied tho, i like her but lying is bad in any way you spin it… they played a buggy shit game and said it’s amazing
@@Gabriel-cg9tj - Alanah didn’t lie at all. She was playing the game on PC and didn’t know about the console version. And the build that they played at CDPR was a completely different build. CDPR did all of the lying and took Alanah, and Skills Up for the same ride and scam that we all went through.
You should have mentioned his Father's IMAx career
Is there some beef with Yong Yea? Like does Luke not like they guy or something?
I dunno if it's been addressed, but in previous videos Luke has made the odd criticism about him. I think Luke feels Yong is a corporate shill.
Lol, I find it hilarious that capitalist supreme Luke may possibly hate someone for being a corporate schill
I like the Hassan meme!! I'm dying
This is honestly the best short form video you've made yet. I love the edits and scripts.
Pretty much why I never ever watch the game awards or pay any attention to the build up or results. It's all a big joke....
I was happy to see a clip with angry Joe in it
From what I recall, it was The "Dewrito" Pope, to add both products in the title.
Good video though.
Great fucking video. Rip ‘em
They put the manmsmhbr chehfde in da sodaeh
Don't mention Allanah Pierce, was a big fan til she felt the need to shame me for taking a guess at one of her Instagram post that she later deleted cuz me and many others had taken her post differently then she had intended, and I wasn't hating on her or anything but the way she publicly shamed her audience/fans for being excited for her work at Sony was kinda shocking. Her and Yong Yea turned into the biggest clowns this year for me and go to show they collab frequently so 🤷🏻♂️
Allanah did everything for a spot at Sony simple as that, she even basically said that before
I haven't even thought about this guy for so many years, but didn't he also shill his method of shilling to the influencers at the time?
I can't give you a source for this because I just remember seeing a clip of it somewhere, but I remember this interview where he basically told everyone that the easiest way to make money and get somewhere in the industry would be to product place, to always have a bottle of mountain dew and a bag of doritos next to you when making a video, because they would then aggressively try to sign you up for partnered content if you had enough viewers.
Again, this is anecdotal because it was just one of those things I saw at the time which made me start giggling and go: "He really said that? He really just told people that all you need to do to succeed is to be a paid shill?"
This was basically when I stopped caring what any "games journalist" had to say.
Luke. You took a sponsorship from raid shadow legends. You lost a lot of legitimacy after doing this. Please make a video review of the game, or you look like a hypocrite
I think this video missed to point out his "dead inside" expression while shilling for doritos. I think that was the key to sparking the outrage.
Holy shit, this is it. This is *the* guy who ruined gaming
This was on way before Jeff. He's just one of the more successful guys that are more than willing to take some swag.
Aliens
I liked Geoff when he worked for spiketv gametrailers because he was entertaining, but who cares what he thinks or what a game journalist thinks about a game. Just do your own research. Ever since games have become more mainstream like Geoff wanted there has been a decline in quality for them so i guess the need for biased journalists to hide their flaws has been necessary, but thank god for independent journalism.
It’s called corruption!
9:24 to slap anti-woke from gamergate, who have to evacuate from any -chan site every 2 years
So if you are a youtuber you can shill all you want, but if you are Geoff Keighley you can't?
Let's ignore the fact that Keighley have always been a presenter and a host, not a "journalist". But people working for the various gaming sites out there are doing the exact same work as many of the gaming youtube channels. I fail to see why they have to be held up to a different standards. You, who's reviewing games and commenting on the gaming scene, are allowed to take money for promotional work, accept invites to fancy preview events, get gifts from left and right, and all that. But a person who is reviewing games and commenting on the gaming scene on Eurogamer is not? Because he's a journalist?
TH-camrs "saving" the gaming industry from journalist shills forking for the traditional media is the funniest joke that happened in the past decade.
Getting swag from a publisher and then feeling indebted to praise them and their games feels like a corporate mandated version of grooming...
It is really unfair to show allanah images on the cyberpunk debacle th-cam.com/video/PgCYy4BvUOI/w-d-xo.html (this a link to a video where she talks about it and said her approach is of one hyped consumer not a journalist)
(Accountability request at the end) To me it just looks like "games are more mainstream now and they have a Ryan-Seacrest type doing awards" lol (I had stopped following the industry around that time). I don't think the guy deserves much attention.
As for the 'journalist' criticism, I think we see a lot of that (lack of a formal education) in tech coverage (the 'proper' ones usually were converted into it), and also in many other relatively nascent industries like gaming.
Geoff aside, those issues shown seemed to have colored people's views on many things around him, even developers, which might be unfair perhaps.
Even with all that was mentioned in your piece... love it or not, I think the game awards do help elevate the industry in the eyes of those outside it (like mainstream talent, for instance).
My point regarding accountabilty:
I've noticed a slight 'negativity-trend' in the way your videos have been presented I the feed (title, thumbnail and so on - I understand the content is varied and you can't control what is disliked). I know your content and critiques are fair and always explained constructively, but something has been feeling off for me recently. Don't know if this could be related to changes for algorithm optimization on your end.
Also, (imo) this specific video didn't really feel like it belonged to your channel. I say all this as someone who appreciates your work... to me the feed from a year or so ago was generally "lighter feeling", while still pointing out any bad stuff you found.
I hope this comment is helpful, and hope you expand your business staying true to the sensibilities that have gotten you this far.
One last quick point while I'm here (it's much more of a feedback than criticism) :
I cannot 'unsee' GUERILLA GAMES when looking at the channel icon. I understand it shows your initials but it's not really clear unless we really pay attention and it's honestly too close to their logo.... But with its readability suffering due to having more information crammed in. With all that said, I believe some slight adjustments over time can correct most of these issues...!
I haven't liked Youngyea in years, dude literally reports on twitter threads, as in go as far as citing reply's from random people.
Hahaha can someone tell me what Yong Yea did to this man?
So you really hates Yong Yea huh? 😂
To sum it up, he’s a sellout
Sponsorships are never appropriate. Anyone who has a sponsored video is objectively trash.
As a gamer, we've never recovered from this man's existence.
Not thrilled by your use of Alanah juxtaposed with your V.O. at 14:05. At the time she was unboxing the Cyberpunk Secret Labs chair, she had been actively saying "I'm not a journalist" for at least 6 months, if not a year, and had started working as a writer at Santa Monica studios.
Now the zoomers will know His Truth
Woah, woah, woah why are you promoting credit score junk to people? That's more selling out than any Raid shadow video.
Yongyea and others: the game played well on my pc and its my dream game.
This guy: *panic*
Xdd no even on PC it had extreme problems and they knowingly lied which is backed up by the fact most admitted later as such
sheesh ...do you feel better now?
This video feels very mean and very vindictive I question your reasoning for making this video in the first place apart from just to cause drama
I've first heard of JEFF Keighley maybe about a year ago and the first impression is Who tf is this goof and what is it that he has to say that people give him an audience? I think it was when we first saw the dual sense controller. Dude is so obnoxious and narcissistic.
Really like your videos but this ones a bit too much. Comes off as very preachy and almost vindictive(?) against people who you seemingly dont want to name but are happy to show clips of. The whole thing starts of fine but then descends into personal insults and a holier then thou attitude.
First!
But last in critical thinking skills?🤡
Well I just see capitalists being capitalists, on all sides of this video. Enjoy your hierarchies and acting that one is above the fray because they took a business ethics class in college.
You had me interested in the beginning of the video, but then you just go on criticize people directly or by association with the video clips you throw in. It looks good and sounds convincing if you don't know any of these people or their backgrounds, but I don't think you've done your research.
Look, I appreciate your game critiques, because they are generally interesting and well-crafted essays. I don't agree with them all the time, but I appreciate your perspective and your ability to articulate it to the listener. However; this video just feels wrong. You sound like you think you are completely objective, and you think every one else out there is wrong for being biased. None of these people you are criticizing are journalists or acting as such. Sure, the game awards are mostly commercials- and the 2021 show was largely disappointing for the people who sat through all 3 hours of it. But have some respect for the game devs and real people out here who are making things happen. The end of this video before your credit card sponsor you sound like you are just proclaiming to cancel this person, and cancel that person. I don't think it's a good look for you. Even if everything you claim is 100% correct, none of this stuff is so horrible really that you can't at least be respectful and decent.