The Forgotten City: It Could Steal 'Game of the Year' - Luke Stephens
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Forgotten City has truly nailed this. It’s polished, fantastically well thought through, and continually impresses the player. I know it’s anecdotal but I played through this game in one sitting. It’s that good. The last game I did that with was Valhalla… JK, that would literally kill me. It was Celeste on a snowy day when I was stuck inside (happily). That is always indicative to me that the game has captivated me, and this game truly does that.
In my mind, this year there’s only been two, maybe 3 if you include Psychonauts 2, games that have blown expectations out of the water: The Forgotten City, and It Takes Two. This one is phenomenal and is one of the two front runners, especially if you look at the review scores.
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Is one of the major pluses your own smug satifaction? ...lol.. I will check it out, hitting variety of video games outside the norm.
but it takes two..meh..
Judging by the mainstream reviews? Wow what world do you live in, reviews particularly from mainstream gaming publications are 100% nonsense. People who believe the gaming media also think real communism has never been tried, 100 million dead says who?
@@kittybrowneye3163 collective sampling research combined with personal preference.
I have this in my wishlist I’ll have to get it once I finish mafia 2 and 3 it looks amazing
Developer here: Thanks so much for this, Luke! I don't know what to say! I'm just glad you enjoyed it! - Nick
I remember playing the game on skyrim and it was one of the first things that got me to say "Hum, maybe mods can have big talent behind them"
And now im just happy that the talent behind this project is getting the recognitio it deserves.
I'm so happy I just learned about this game and extremely excited to play this game.
Cheers!
Hey mate gonna give this a shot! Nice work!
Any chance this can go on gamepass?
Nick the legend
Absolutely incredible game. Please everyone: support actual talent and art like this. Buy the game, sale or not. These devs and everyone involved deserve every ounce of attention, money and credit they get.
No it deserves what I'm willing to pay for it. It doesn't look like a very good game, so I won't pay more than $10 for it because vastly better games exist for that price
@@brandondamitz8876 you sound like someone who pays 60 dollars for Call of Duty every year
@@alejo5267 that maybe the best insult that i've ever heard
@@alejo5267 or he's paid 5000$ for League of legends skins. Dunno which is worse.
I finished it on game pass and i feel bad for not paying them directly ;(
I remember playing this in skyrim for the first time and was completely shocked at the quality of the writing.
Playing this in skyrim? I dont underdtand
@@shreihals9314 this game was originally a Skyrim mod
There is something incredibly satisfying about a single developer creating great games.
Yo I did the mod on Skyrim. I was in VR and stuck in the city by accident (I didn't know when I began the quest that I would be stuck underground). At first I was pissed and tried to get out but I didn't have a recent save so I forced myself to finish the quest. And what a journey, so great that it takes me some times to really realize how good it was and different of Skyrim's quests.
I was absorbed by this game when I played it! It's probably one of my favourite games now, it was executed so brilliantly. I played the mod when it first came out, so I knew what some of the reveals would probably be, but I loved finding out how the game would differ from the mod and make them unique, and finding all the totally original stuff they'd added that weren't ever in the mod.
An absolutely fantastic game, makes you think about how much more interesting a piece of entertainment or art can be when it’s not being committeed and market tested to death and uses the Auteur model that has defined a lot of the greatest eras of Cinema
I remember playing the Skyrim mod years ago, was amazing then and is still amazing now!
Also I had absolutely no idea it was a remake of the mod when the game came out and completely ignored it until a guy on a TH-cam video pointed it out, then I bought it in the minute that followed without looking at any trailers or gameplay or review lol
Imagine a skyrim critique from luke...its a dream of mine...come on luke please give us skyrim critique.
Do you really wanna hear it explained to you why skyrim is hardly an rpg and not as great as people remember? People don't play it without 300 mods, think about that.
@@jonathansoko5368 It was good when it was new let's be honest now. Can't go back and shit on something that helped to push games to how popular they are today.
Much rather have a Souls one
@@jonathansoko5368 I play it without mods and enjoy the shit out of it
I mean yeah...Skyrim builds a nice bubble around the player making them think they impact anything but in reality they don't. After that questline is over it's over and it doesn't truly impact anything else. This makes everything in the game extremely shallow and meaningless. Once you understand that the bubble is broken and it no longer becomes as fun or alive as you saw it before.
I loved it takes two...my buddy recommended it and even though I I doubted I would like it, I played it because he asked. It was amazing. Got us on a role of playing a bunch of 2 player stories together. I definitely will check this game out though.
Hey Luke, you should definitely play Outer Wilds if you haven't yet. I highly recommend it and that game was one of the reasons why I tried this one out. Best game in my personal opinion.
The story you tell about discovering that ending reminded me of a moment I had in Kingdom Come Deliverance that was very similar. The game didnt tell me what I thought of was an option, it just gave me the opportunity to think of it and to be rewarded by it.
Funnily enought, Kingdom Come Deliverance was my last 10/10....before today, when I finished Forgotten City and also gave it 10/10. Masterpieces.
Eyyy, always like to enjoy my meals with some Luke content 🖖🏻
Lmao same. I’m eating right now
underrated comment.
The original mod unfortunately really throws in your face how shallow Bethesda's writing is. It's... phenomenal.
Ever notice that noone plays skyrim or fo4 without 300 mods? There's a reason
The horror mod "Clockwork" is also pretty phenomenal. Highly recommended! 😱
There are so many extremely talented storytellers out there not getting the attention they deserve in the gaming industry. And why? Because too many publishers and developers don't take quality writing and storytelling seriously enough to have numerous good writers as salaried staff. To me, they should be regarded as equally as important as-if not more important than-good artists and programmers. Because without a good story, it's just all flash with no substance.
I haven't gotten into a game that wasn't action or strategy in years...
But being from Rome and into history and videogames,
I will try this one.
So many games ... especially AAA titles are just washed up pieces of garbage nowadays. I will gladly go buy this game simply fir the fact that real creators get support.
I started playing this game 1pm afternoon, and it just made me forgot the time, by the time I finished it, it was 7am next morning.
And it’s a solo gameplay, normally I need friends to drag me in a multiplayer game and I’ll taking little naps when the games was loading, but not this game. My brain was working the puzzle s and plots all the time.
This is a MasterClass example of a game review. I loved the original mod, and now I am going to buy the game. You convinced me. Subscribed.
Luke, have you played Outer Wilds? Sounds to me like it's more than right up your alley
I remember talking to these guys at pax. They deserve it
I completely disagree with your game of the year logic. The game does NOTTTTT have to be revolutionary. As long as it excels at what it does that’s all that matters
What does he know?
@Gordon Sleepwell LOOOOOOOL DEAD
I mean, it's not a tough year to go for game of the year.. if you have some better suggestions I'd love to hear them!
Your opinion sounds like a recipe for mediocrity
Ok mediocre enjoyer
Just found it on playstation yesterday and remembered I'd heard about it before. So I started playing on Saturday afternoon and didn't stop until I platinum'd it on Sunday. Got the best ending and achievements in my first playthrough too, just by listening to peple and planning ahead. My jaw hit the floor several times throughout the night, and looking back the revelations might seem obvious, but that's because they come very naturally in the story.
I cannot recommend this game enough, it is now firmly placed among my favourites. Nick, if you ever happen to see this little comment, bravo. You were never supposed to be a lawyer :D
I first found it on skyrim. Damn gotta be the first mod to get a full game.
Enderal did that before to get from a Skyrim Mod to a full game and it is at least as good as the Forgotten City :)
You should try it!
@@Itama22 I'm a die hard fan of Morrowind and Oblivion, could never get into Skyrim even with the modding...that is until I played Enderal, which to me is the ultimate evolution of the formula.
Not the first, but it's fantastic when that happens.
Counter-Strike started as a mod of Half-Life
DOTA 2 started as a fan-made map for Warcraft.
And Stanley's Parable started as a mod for Half-Life 2 I believe.
The "Battle Royale" genre started as a mod for Arma 2 DayZ.
The modder (Brendan Greene) went on to do the BR mod for H1Z1, and then he went on to make the full release game PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds.
@@MrVvulf and battlestate games made escape from tarkov as an offshoot/sequel to contract wars.. imo, the tarkov formula is the next battle royale craze in the making, as battlefield 2042's hazard zone and naughty dog's standalone factions mp will give credence to and cement in the coming year or so.. br will always be a game mode, and now tarkov will follow the same route..
I do love a bit of "hentai Belly Button Stuff"
Lovely stuff, Luke
I think I just figured out the ending that Luke was talking about.....damn its so satisfying figuring it out on your own! Definitely game of the year in my book!
Is this one of the main four or is it a secret 5th ending?
@@csidesummit its one of the main four
I watched most of this video upon you publishing it and stopped quickly to be as blind as possible when I played. Which I finally did the past two days and I was absolutely blown away. It’s left me with a real admiration and appreciation for what was done with this title. In a time when it’s so hard to find gems, this one truly surpassed my high expectations based and your praise and recommendation. Truly a masterclass in narrative design. So many great moments. I achieved ending 4. Though I have guesses as to the other possibilities and I’m curious to check them out. I also would love to see a spoiler talk video. I’ll take a look if you’ve posted one in the meantime. Anyway, thank you so much for the recommendation, I wouldn’t have heard about this title otherwise. And keep doing your thing man. You’re by far my favorite content creator!
Going off the title but considering how Ghost of Tsushima got robbed the game of the year award has no real value at this point.
Always funny someone says their GotY was "robbed". It's all subjective. There were better games out last year than Ghost of Tsushima IMO, namely, Hades and Last of Us 2. But once again, that's just my opinion
They could've written the note in a way that encourages the player to enter the portal, as oppose to telling them not to and then only providing them with the only way to continue the game - that they have to enter the portal. An easy edit would've been to state something along the lines of... "If my ill-fated luck does not beset you, you will be rewarded with [fill_in_blank (I haven't played the game)] and a life not ventured by many, of untold mysteries and love I could never have known"... etc. Let the note be a journal entry, the last tale he tells before the character passes. Even if danger is assured once you enter the portal, that doesn't matter. In the note you can hint at some strange occurrences and troublesome events.
I doubt it will be made game of the year simply because. Its not a gameplay loop I think most persons are going to care for therefore its not going to get the attention and sales to put it on the map like that. and I'm sure you and probably 2 other TH-camrs will be the one talking about it and that's it.
I made a comment like this glad to see I’m not the only realistic person
Dude I played this game when it first came out and omg its so interesting. The whole concept and the characters, the dialog, the story, the city itself, it's Hella good.
Probably my favorite thing about this game is the philosophical debate about sin and the important questions it asks. Especially when you get the canon ending and have your final confrontation (without the crown), that whole conversation was SO interesting and SO thought provoking. After I beat the game, I literally had to exploratively write things down to figure out what I believed about sin and punishment and how they relate to errors and mistakes. Especially considering that I'm a religious person, this kind of thing is personally important to think about, and this game brings it all up in a very respectful and thought provoking way.
Not to mention that this game is just good in all sorts of other aspects. One of my favorite things is the immersive Roman civilization. Why aren't there any RPGs in ancient Roman times? Like WTF game developers? We need Skyrim in Rome, dammit! Or maybe like a KCD in Rome...
POTENTIAL SPOILERS AHEAD, this is what I wrote about that I mentioned before. GIGANTIC COPY/PASTE WARNING:
In the forgotten City, the many are punished for the sins of the one. The god of the game has rationales for a lot of seeming contradictions. Many things that are obvious sins are not punished because they get off on a technicality, or an extremely literal interpretation of laws. However, the god himself says that no laws are perfect and are best captured by the real world golden rule, and that humans are perfectly capable in our hearts to know right from wrong. When our character calls him out for not being strict enough, his response is a rhetorical: then did you want me to destroy you all? To which the obvious answer is no… we want more grace because we cannot seem to be perfect.
However, sometimes I doubt that we can't be perfect. Certain sins are very easy to not commit, like 1st degree murder and rape, and we can be perfect in regards to those sins. However, the proper definition of sin is 'missing the mark' and can involve errors as opposed to malice. Malice can be done away with - maybe even easily - just by controlling our psyche. Error can only be minimized. If we are always trying to do better, by thinking more and knowing more (avoiding mistakes of negligence and ignorance) and having principles like 'treat others how you want to be treated', then the only sins that can be committed are going to be due to not having better foresight.
Sometimes, however, there can be a blend between these, between error and malice. For instance, I work at FedEx. We all know that it would be a sin to slam packages for fun, because they belong to someone else. It is essentially destruction of property. But if I had a long day and a sore back and a lack of sleep and personal stress, I would be tempted to get lazy and 'efficient' with how I treat packages in an effort to expend less energy. I may not be throwing and slamming them, but my temporary laziness may result in the packages being slammed. To the recipient, it all looks the same when the packages show up like a pancake. In my head, however, I had an ill-conceived justification, and may think I was not morally culpable, especially when I tell myself that I am not purposefully slamming anything. It may be that in that moment, my moral intuitions failed, and therefore I made a sin that was a blend of error and malice.
I've always thought it was very interesting and confusing that Christ himself had to grow in his moral understanding. Doesn't this imply that he had moral ignorance at some point and likely committed some kinds of sins? He likely committed some kinds of sins having to do with, say, being a crying baby and giving his parents hardships in raising him. Granted, we could say many things about whether crying is a sin and whether his parents loved him and would always forgive his sins - nevertheless, his parents received 'pancake packages' and no doubt reaped some seeds of errors. I am fully willing to believe that Christ could have had no malice in his heart at all, but what would he have done if he had a long day and a sore back and a lack of sleep?
How to: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you:
-Start a journal and every day write 5 things that people did to you that you did not like, but that you yourself do. Then, write 5 things people did to you that you did like, but that you do not regularly do.
-Try to come up with 5 new ways to treat people that you would like.
-If the goal is utopia, we must strive for perfection. We cannot simply do what other people do, otherwise the upward trend can only plateau. There must also be an aspect of creativity in living out the golden rule, and this will create an ever better and better reality.
I didn't even know this game existed and now I'm quite interested in it,.
I thought that I hated the roguelike genre, and now this game appeared.
So much fun. Well done guys.
Hole up, they turned this Skyrim mod into an entire game? I've been putting this quest off for whatever reason but shit, I'm going here first after work tonight.
I played the mod years back. I watched a review for this on its release, the reviewer said it was good with a lot of flaws. This video has caught my attention though. I'll check it out
you re easily my favorite gaming content creator Luke, keep up the good work
Love this game, as someone who used to play Skyrim it's what I've always wanted.
Everyone's calling these games time loop games. But we already have a name for this genre. It's called ROGUELIKE
Time Loop games and roguelikes are very different genres
Finally someone is talking about this game is one my favorite
There's no chance in hell this will win "game of the year". Too many reasons to list them all, but for one the game came and went already. It had minimal hype even though it was released during a game drought.
Played this game on your recommendation & really enjoyed it. Haven't figured out that ending you mentioned yet, but I have 1 idea I'm going to try no w.
Few points to argue except near the end: what did psychonauts 2 do that was innovative or original? Not baiting here; I enjoyed the original and… finished the sequel. I didn’t hate it but it was the same game, but now (I think) in unreal engine?
Coming to game pass tomorrow. Don't miss out on this folks
Yeah you mentioned this one the other day during your stream. Never heard of it before that, looks interesting though. I’ll have to check it out!
The facial animations, even though a little bit rough, transcribe the emotion and feeling very well. Its so weird. Even though its so rough it still looks phenomenal. How?!
Facial animations are hard even for full teams of talented programmers. No surprise they're rough in an indie game. The ones in this game were done by just one guy (on a team of three), if I remember correctly.
They had tried importing some facial capture movements, but that resulted in some overwrought, almost cartoonish animations. This more subdued, almost hand-hewn approach is much better.
The No Clip interview with the developer is worth watching for the story of this game's creation.
Probably the voice acting and story, it makes it up for that. I agree, it is phenomenal.
For anyone thinking of playing this game... do yourself a favor and go in totally blind. Don't look at achievement guides or anything. What makes this game so fun is immersing yourself and solving things for yourself
Ok, I'm sold, I'm buying this game today. Thanks Luke!
Considering the fact that 2021 has been a drab year for video games, I wouldn’t be surprised
This in Skyrim was up there for me with Enderal.
If anyone’s curious and doesn’t care for spoilers:
The “secret” ending he discovered by himself is probably the same one I discovered by myself which is if you just kill the guy who sends you back you can go right back to your time.
Ive never seen your videos before. Thanks for not spoiling the game. You explained what you liked or didn't like, and teased just enough without ruining it. You earned a new subscriber.
This game was too dope. Finished it tonight, Canon ending. Great job, devs!
Im suprised that you haven't talked about outer wilds
Decided to support the developers and buy the game on the PlayStation Store. Don't regret it at all because it was absolutely phenomenal and I beat it in two lengthy sittings. One of the most compelling video game narratives I've ever experienced
Jacob Geller made an incredible video on this game, highly recommend if you haven't seen it.
The guy who made the game was a lawyer so its emotionally very well put together exploring all nuances of human behavior.
Was the best quest mod I ever played in Skyrim. Haven't played the game itself looks good.
Games today are always about the money and how to make more of the same.
I love it when small developers just make what they want and let there creativity flow. I wish people would treat there games as an art form than a dollar sign. Idk 🤷♂️, I’m just rambling
Just played this on GamePass, and wow!!! What an amazing game.
This is a MUST PLAY, especially if you like good writing!!
Luke I am excited by your love of this game and in your mind it's place in the ranks for GOTY. Where doest TLOU2 rank?
@thickock45 HA! :-) Sorry you feel that way. Everyone has their own opinion.
TLOU2 was released in 2020
Tlou2 is a masterpiece
Did I play a different game than everyone else? I don't understand the overwhelming praise this game gets. I completed it yesterday and it was laughably disappointing.
Hey, and both Forgotten City and It Takes Two are on gamepass! :)
Fun fact about the forgotten city it’s actually based off from a Skyrim mod no seriously
Where’s the link for that awesome “Foster’s” tee? I love that show.
Great video man, I love your extended analysis of games. You should check out the game "Outward". It's a little known gem that may not be perfect but is an outstanding coop rpg experience.
"Hentai belly button stuff"
Ah, I see you're a man of culture as well.
I recommend outer wilds for game similar like thos
The forgotten city and Deathloop is completely different in how they execute the time loop mechanic.
Deathloop is more about killing two or three birds with one or two stones(Hitman/Bond-like objectives)
Deathloop is fun. Not a masterpiece(IGN🤣) but definitely executed brilliantly. It’s dishonest and quite frankly LAZY of you to call the mechanics and the way the developers chose to design their game LAZY. “Simplicity is not laziness, it can be quite genius.” Yes I just made that up 🤣
But I’ll hold for your in-depth review. Hopefully it’s not LAZY.
Forgotten city is about narrative and secrets and doing the “Right things” it’s a Serious game and it takes itself seriously which works amazingly well for it.
Forgotten City forces you to make ethical choices, and they are not on the usual trivial game level. Also the mythology is genuine, no fantasy inventions and as said in this video, the logic in the game is consistent. I haven't been so excited since I played Myst, which was inferior compared to this..
Hi Luke, is it “It takes two” the other finalists for game of the year? Thanks
Man that assassins creed joke got me
I remember along it when it first came out on skyrim mods....
Loved it soooo much.
I only know about it thru jacob geller's video, now watching about it twice has compelled me :)))
Thought the title was clickbaity….now I gotta buy the game
Honestly, watching a play through is just as good. It’s $30 and while it has fantastic storytelling I’d really recommend waiting or watching a play through unless of course you want to support the studio then by all means
@@viagotanega9898 watching a play through is never the same as experiencing a game first hand
@@alejo5267 normally I would agree. But in this instance I respectfully disagree, while at the same time, potentially trying to save someone their hard earned money.
@@viagotanega9898 The game sucks?
@@MMACinephile Not at all, by no means. I just don’t think it’s worth the asking price.
Indie title winning game of the year?
AAA devs: *pays off the judges*
Saw it on gamepass. Watched the trailer and my interest was peaked, but not enough to install and try. The art for the game cover seemed generic - and turned me off at first. This review pushed me to try it out. Verdict... its a cool game and one that I can get behind. Bought it on PS just to support the dev.
I always love your content so much. Keep it up!
Triple A: thousands of devs, hundreds of millions budget. Releases a buggy re-skin of their previous game after 5-6 years of development.
Indie devs: handful of devs, no budget. Releases a brand new game with an awesome concept and new gameplay mechanics after 5-6 years of development.
Tell me again why AAA games are worth 60+ USD?
r/imagamerandthisisdeep
@@italianwaffle5592 lol I'm trying to complain about triple A here, not make some deep philosophical commentary on the existence of entertainment.
@@JayMaverick Sure but an AAA game is just one developed by a larger company.
On top of that, there are TONS of AAA companies, the fact that we only really complain about a handful of the biggest ones, is a good thing!
Most of the time, AAA games are fine and Indie games are lacklustre with heart. The stigma that AAA is now ASS is annoying.
Because, employing 1k+ people to develop a game is expensive and the families of the devs have to eat? Now if you want to discuss about management/higher ups taking a good chuck of the money that's another thing and I don't have the data or knowledge to discuss it.
Well, your mistake is when you thought that way more people on a project automatically also means way more talent.
I haven't play this game but i have seen another video about it where i think it was stated that it was started as mod for some game i don't remember, maybe Skyrim.
Seems interesting but i don't think it's the type of game that i would really enjoy either.
Not a mistake but a logical assumption.
More people, more money, better project.
And if it isn't, that team fuq'ed up and squandered its resources bc it shoulda been better
Technically speaking doing the right thing for the wrong reason is much better than doing the wrong thing or not doing the right thing in my opinion. That's why I don't mind religion so much because it gives a good set of morals to go by and ethics for the general population to adhere to that have been proven to be beneficial to a cooperative successful society. My two cents
Game, in quotation marks.
If you like timeloops, you should play Returnal!
Can anyone help me and tell me what happens when you ask the God of the Underworld why we can't go to Elysium?
I have never seen one asking this question and ich cannot play the game ;(
But would really be interested how the God of the Underworld reacts to it :)
OMG IT'S A FOSTERS HOME FOR IMAGINARY FAN T-SHIRT!!!!
If anyone liked The Forgotten City you have to play Outer Wilds. it's basically the same game but in space. It just got a pretty amazing DLC as well so there's that too
6:55 magic rocks.
Love the RIP on Activision!
I somehow hadn't heard of this game! Watched half of the review before the hype became too real. Downloading it right now 👌
Says a lot about the state of gaming that this is a contender for game of the year 😅
huh. never seen a hair loss advert for a youtube vid.. LOL
This game is so weird, one moment you're engaging in moral philosophy discussions and then... bam!!! you're in the happy ending of a latin american soap opera!
This looks really good. It also reminds me I need to beat Call of the sea.
Not my game genre. But looks great. Good luck at the awards.
Better than God of War Ragnarok, but one year too soon.
Sony strategists knew what they were doing.
Amazing shirt.
I believe that its a great title but no game this year can reach goty status when psychonauts 2 exists - at least for me personally
I like the first person conversation unlike Fallout 4
A great mod of Skyrim, playing both now. I bought the new game last week.
keeping this gem for the winter evenings :-)