Hey Terry great video again thanks! For me, the important questions are; 1. Will the CFC respond to Russel’s comments and explain what happened? 2. Who is making these decisions, and why? What’s their thought process? 3. If Russell wasn’t overseeing Rehab, who was, and can we get an official statement on this? Our 2024 season fell apart because of an abnormal amount of injuries so the club needs to take accountability and explain to the paying members and fans on what happened, the learnings, and actions for improvements. These type of events can easily lead to key decision makers losing their jobs. Is Russell the scapegoat or is there someone else/others who is more accountable? Who did Russell report to? Silence will be deafening.
I would like to know exactly when Russell was taken out of the rehab loop. It may have been quite recent, as in sometime in 2024. They may have outsourced rehab of players to someone else or another organisation after the review on injuries took place. Russell didn't survive the season. I would be surprised if Russell was not involved in the rehab of players from the first day he entered the club. Russell gave the impression that he was never involved with the rehab group. This is an important detail because the club clearly lost confidence in what Russell was doing with conditioning etc.
My feeling is that the football manager Lloyd is a highly political animal. He is competent, but when it comes to decision making…. he makes political decisions not practical ones.
I find it staggering that he wasn’t working with the rehab group.I’m just glad he’s gone,it’s laughable when he says we had a lot of players play a lot of games,what about all the players that didn’t play last season
I don't know if his choices or structure lead to the issues, but I do know people in the industry who know Russell. One thing I picked up from a few people is Russell has a view of he knows what's best and what he has always done is best. But he doesn't keep up with changes in research and styles to structure conditioning. An old performance coach of mine actually knows both Russell and new guy and said new guy is great. Very interested the latest research and not doing a general this works for everyone plan. I read between the lines a bit on what I heard from within Carlton that Russell may have been pushed out of the rehab inner circle because of concerns with his style.
One thing I remember when it came out that he was sacked was that he was across two roles at Carlton where at other clubs it’s split into two positions held by two separate individuals. I can’t remember the specifics, but at the end of the day he was the ‘head’. Saying he wasn’t involved is is the equivalent of ‘I don’t hold a hose, mate’
It’s inexplicable that Russell wasn’t part of the rehab group . This can’t be allowed to continue, surely the CEO needs to look into his comments and remedy this situation asap . We the members need an explanation as ongoing injuries have been a massive issue the past few years in our Club .
"I actually didn’t have a huge influence over 'a lot' of those issues" and "I wasn’t involved in 'a lot' of the rehab of a lot of these players once they got injured" It sounds to me like he was still involved to some extent. If he felt he needed to be more involved in rehab I find it hard to believe that request would be denied. It's almost as if he's trying to claim that he only worked with the players that didn't get injured. At the end of the day despite the structure of leadership it was his responsibility to prioritise and oversea rehabilitation which he's failed to produce to a reasonable standard therefor he no longer has a role at Carlton. Am I missing the part where he took accountability for anything?
you missed the part of your own club hanging him out to dry because they wanted to micro manage his role at the club, Carlton are one of the least professional clubs with staff in the comp.
Even if he wasn't in charge of the rehab group, he was in charge when they were fit. And they still kept getting injured. Also sounds like he is trying to blame Marchie, Martin and Cuns as a collective for him having pressure on him. It will be interesting to see what Geelong can get out of Martin. Cuns and Marchie are both talented and should try and join a VFL team and see if they can get through a year and try and get back into AFL. They may all continue to break down ... who knows.
So Cerra had how many hamstrings in one year? 5? While he's blaming injury prone players does he mean Cerra too? Cerra didn't seem to have that inability to handle training loads at fremantle, otherwise we wouldn't have paid what we did for him. I think it brought up more questions than it resolved.. For example, says changes in leadership structure (probably post review), meant he wasn't involved in the rehab group... then who was responsible for players like Cerra?
and why did we only find out about this leadership structure today? The club had many opportunities to be proactive on this. The end of season email from the President was the perfect one to admit what went wrong and how we are going to fix it.
@BlueAbroad Yes indeed. Well, I hope, as you say, that Rob Innes now has full responsibility and access to our entire list and their programs. It sounds like there was some kind of pre-existing rift between Russell and Lloyd or someone else at the club. It was only Lloyd and Russell that survived the review out of those in the football department wasn't it?
Yep, confusing. What concerned me most was the comment that Andrew was managing more the mind than the body! The club has a psychologist to manage that area. I wonder if Andrew's 'mind management' ran across (inevitable) and into the psychologist's domain... if so... that is definitely problematic. I think we can assume that Rob Inness is more likely to 'stay in his lane.' High performance to me seems all about the body. Sure, HP and club psychologist should be in strong communication with each helping the other... but staying in their respective lanes and respecting the other's lane.
@@shane6989 I don’t mind that part tbh. The mind is the most powerful tool at our disposal. There’s a lot more to deal with as a human in this age, let alone a professional athlete who has every minute of their life managed. Time will continue to tell I suppose.
The body is the servant of the mind BUT high performance needs both cylinders running at 100%. A club psych’s role is a difficult role to comprehend as you are dealing with so many moving parts, so to speak. Club culture plays a part in this. Head coach has a lot to do with the mental side. Hire a HP manager who can get his boys looking like they are on roids would be great. I did like the look of sydney last year under Innes. A great cohesive unit.
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The answer without going into specifics (as I'm not aware of), think what his role is/was and how he "communicated" to the rehab group/guy and the players and THAT was one of the reasons. As for Rehab group guy, flushing him/them out would be great and hear from them.
Hawks couldn’t wait to see the back of him and I’m afraid it ended the same way here. Interestingly some players will sing his praises eg Cripps and to get Charlie back on the park was an achievement. Not much to see after that unfortunately. Feel like Cooky had a hand in the diminished responsibilities in the same way Russell’s role was cut back in the later years at Hawthorn.
Surely the docs and physio would be the main ones overseeing the rehab group? medically getting them back from injury is there job. Russel would of had some influence in specific movements and exercises prescribed i reckon. He has made it out like he no control but there would of have to been meetings , catchups , on how the injured players are going. Seems like a cop out to me. ON to 25 we Go
There is no way he wasn't in control of the rehab group initially, he was our prized recruit at the time. We should have moved him on when it wasn't working instead of reducing his role and hamstringing him further Says alot of Lloyd also
Remember when Russell was excluded from our club review. Was that because they already decided to change his role.. because he implies his role changed at that time, that responsibility for the rehab group was taken away from him? I think there needs to be some club response to his comments.
I think that’s absolutely a problem , not letting the professional you’ve hired do their job proper- some sort of helicopter BS . You’ve hired the wrong guy if you can’t let him do his thing. Weird.
The reason that he had less influence over the rehab structure was because historically the rehab group had been poorly managed, evidenced by repeat injuries to players. On the other side of the coin, to blame Russell for injuries is a bit unfair - what is the role of all the medicos at the club (of which Russell wasn’t)?
Has a bit of a Malthouse vibe about this Both brought into our Club based off their past reputations at other clubs Both come in probably knowing it was going to be their last hurrah and both possibly a bit tired and out of new ideas…. Or unwilling to entertain new ideas My money is on Russel not being seen in the AFL again, definitely not as a physical performance coach anyway Soft tissue injury are one of the few things you have a great amount of control over The Club may have sacrificed Russel at face value while also changing things behind the scenes but keeping those moves quite until they prove fruitful
I imagine they would have other physio’s and medical staff that would be help with rehabilitation. Kind of makes sense, however he seems to be avoiding responsibility for how his program may have contributed to the injuries happening in the first place.
Insane that we let his level of ego and incompetence go on for so long. This is a man that has decimated our list for 6 years consistently with the highest injury levels in the league. It was his job to get to the bottom of soft tissues injuries; nutrition, biomechanics, loadings, repair processes in the body, epigenetic, genetics, muscular imbalances. He harps on about leadership, mindset, sleep he obviously is unaware of the state of the art. We have moved toward a much better direction with Inness, totally relieved.
Sounds like he was managing down and pushing tasks onto his team not best suited. And given the year we had as the manager his head ended up being on the chopping block. Lets hope the new guy has a better managerial style and puts competent people in place.
Morning mate, first thing with our injury rate maybe he should have concentrated less on the mind and more on the body. With you mate how does the high performance manager not have an input in recovering players, seems very strange. The real truth is always inbetween the to sides of every argument mate. I'm not saying I know much about what went on but I've heard some things, no names. The story I've heard is he was spending a lot of time venturing into other areas of the club that weren't in his responsibility and when pulled up about it and at the point players were dropping like flies he conplained the depasrtment was understaffed. It was around the time of the review, so cooky put on another person, aperently it was realised the club wasn't putting enough resources in. The issue remained, he kept inserting himself into others areas. The other thing i've heard is as good as he was his ideas on man management and load had become out dated and he wasn't moving with this knew research. He'd seen the writing on the wall for mouths before he left, the club had lost confidence in him. Now I'm like you mate how close to the truth this is I've gotten no way of verifying it as absolute truth, is there such a thing or is it their side your side. Saying that I've no reason to believe the place I've heard this isn't close to the reality. If he was sidelined from the recovery group did the review pick up on the shortcoming and this new person will have greater access, like you Tez we can only hope. Great show as always mate, Go Tez, Go Blues
Fair bit to unpack here as you would say. When ever I hear a employee in this manner who has been released, I straight away start asking is this the whole truth? My understanding was when he came over he had full control over all aspects of high performance, he was the over seer so to speak. I could be wrong on this though. What ever the role break down at the start, it wasnt working because injuries persisted. We need to remember, injuries were an issue pre Russell, he was the messiah who was going to fix it all. This obviously didnt happen so I am not suprised that change was enacted. I would be disappointed if it wasn't. Even though he may not have been part of the rehab group at the end, these players regularly made it back to fitness, playing VFL and making it back into the team, once this is completed, is he not then responsible for the reinjuring themselves if loads are to large?
I definitely took what AR said with a grain of salt. Ultimately this is a game of protecting number #1 and I’m sure the truth sits somewhere in between both versions as it usually does. You’re right, the injuries were far too consistent and held the team back. Let’s hope the new people incoming are the right ones!
He was pretty good at Hawthorn hey? Clarkson said he was a huge reason for their success. I just see people looking for someone to blame. He got Charlie right but thats glossed over too! We weren't the only club to have a massive injury list, but i think too many supporters almost expected a flag in 2024 so when the injuries took their toll the witch hunt was on. High performance doesnt mean you can stop injuries haha, sometimes shit happens. We've had injuy problems for years, were they his fault too? Maybe the surface we train on?
@michaelmcclure3383 injuries to just a few players is the difference between second worst and middle of the pack. Blaming him with no idea whatsoever of the way the club operates is just low hanging fruit. As i said, he was pretty good at Hawthorn hey? Maybe their players take rehab more seriously? There was a problem with that at Carlton and its nothing new.
@travprice3979 well actually if you listened to his interview he said since 2021,(date,of,the,review) he didn't have control of the rehab group. That was the strangest thing to come out of the interview and it leaves a lot of questions unanswered. For example Cerra and his 5 hammies... I hope Innes has complete control now. We need a club response to his comments
Andrew Russell was at 3 clubs before Carlton(Ess, Port, Haw and now Carl) and won 6 premierships as well as over a dozen top 4 finishes as a Strength and Conditioning Coach, now, he was on good money, seems like some power players wanted to free up money in the coaches salary cap and he was forced out for an extra assistant coach or a coaches higher salary, i hope you guys get a competent replacement.....
Does it sound to anyone else that Russell is making sure we all know "it's not his fault?" I mean if he's not involved in rehab, then what was his actual job? Keeping fit players fit?
So who allowed Charlie to play with a serious injury and Corey with a busted shoulder? It's a 27 round season and yet we were cooked by round 17. Play the kids!
I feel he’s passing the buck a bit. Remember, the sports and conditioning of our players was reviewed by the club at the end of 2022 and again midway through this season past. I highly doubt an operator like Brian Cook would allow the sort of incompetence Russell is suggesting.
Comments on the surface are quite damning, borderline bizarre however like most stories there is a truth from one side, a truth from the other and then the actual truth somewhere in between. Were Carlton known for running out games when our best team was available? Yes. Is it factual though, that outside of 2019 (when we started horrendously) and 2023, Carlton finished seasons consistently injury stricken? Yes. Is that list? a portion however the program was due a change.
Restructuring the high performance manager out of his role has crazy Vossy written all over it. The circus will continue and this premiership window will be slaughtered by the crazy one.
Should take responsibility , abrogated his responsibility, how can the man not be the man , it's almost ludicrous , was someone holding onto your leg , Now i am concerned , absolutely unintelligible, ironically ambiguous cop out , GOB SMACKED
Lets be real here. Our fan base and even those inside the club have been blaming Russell for years Now that he's been moved on hes come out and shirked all the blame and tried to put it on the club Proof will be in the pudding in 2025 if we dont get anywhere near the amount of soft tissue stuff with Inness in charge then its fairly easy to deduct the reasons Can't wait for season 2025 Also wanna hear from anyone that has been watching DGB at training and how he is travelling Go Blues
If there was a notion inside the club that Russell wasn't the man for the job, why not move him on after the review? Why diminish his role? I'll be at Open Training on Friday and will be sure to look out for DGB.
@@BlueAbroad the only time ive heard about him having a diminished role is now though...perhaps he's telling porky pies? Lol Im just looking forward to the future anyway. With Inness in charge of high performance, hopefully he can have a positive impact Cheers for the updates too
@@BlueAbroad Maybe what I wrote last night didn't save. Others have already covered most of what I said, so I will just add that Russell is of course going to defend himself, so we take his words with that in mind. A bit obvious that he had that 87% stat ready to go. Being removed from rehab is 100% a result of The Review. Sayers and others said explicitly that a major issue was clearly defined roles and areas and making sure everyone stayed in their lane. I don't have a problem with Russell not running the rehab program. It's a specialty act these days, and in the US players seek all sorts of solutions on their own or with team guidance, so it's all over the map. The HP boss doesn't have time these days for all that. He should be aware and if anything works - e.g., Harry's sprint coach - it should be brought into the main program, so it's weird that particular improvement didn't happen. Aside from that, while I've been a harsh critic in the past, it was mostly about the broken backs (still a big question in my view) and some stunted growth, it's clear to me that the boys were more fit than ever and stronger. We could run out games like we haven't seen in decades, and mostly take the physical punishment from the opposition. So Russell was a big success there, don't care what anyone else says. However, what's the deal with the mental stuff? It's all so vague, how do you quantify anything?
Had a gutful of this bloke! Took all the credit of getting omera and burgoyne right when they came from other clubs now when it doesnt work out he shifts the blame! Im intrigued how jack martin will go at geelong
This feels like a bloke thats trying to pass the buck. As if you wouldn’t be involved with the rehab group when your head was on the chopping block?? Not to mention he was the Head of High performance. I call some bullshit on that. Maybe the club took some responsibilities off him because he was doing a below par job? And if he had no dealings with the rehab group. Then how can he have helped Doch and Charlie get back on track? Or did they go to him? Hmmm, it just doesn’t make any sense at all mate!!
I think that’s absolutely a problem , not letting the professional you’ve hired do their job proper- some sort of helicopter BS . You’ve hired the wrong guy if you can’t let him do his thing. Weird.
Really would have liked Sam Edmund to ask him “well who was in charge of the rehab group”
@@de-bkk4447 he had to follow up with it! Surprised he didn’t.
Hey Terry great video again thanks!
For me, the important questions are;
1. Will the CFC respond to Russel’s comments and explain what happened?
2. Who is making these decisions, and why? What’s their thought process?
3. If Russell wasn’t overseeing Rehab, who was, and can we get an official statement on this?
Our 2024 season fell apart because of an abnormal amount of injuries so the club needs to take accountability and explain to the paying members and fans on what happened, the learnings, and actions for improvements.
These type of events can easily lead to key decision makers losing their jobs. Is Russell the scapegoat or is there someone else/others who is more accountable? Who did Russell report to?
Silence will be deafening.
@@SandyFalcone-ql2ze got a feeling silence is all we will get on this one.
I think Russell is just covering his behind to be honest.
100% agree
I think Andrew russell had a one program fits all approach. What worked at hawks definitely didn't work for us
Yeah I think all parties will be doing the same.
As I said, the truth lies somewhere in between both sides to the story.
I would like to know exactly when Russell was taken out of the rehab loop. It may have been quite recent, as in sometime in 2024.
They may have outsourced rehab of players to someone else or another organisation after the review on injuries took place. Russell didn't survive the season.
I would be surprised if Russell was not involved in the rehab of players from the first day he entered the club.
Russell gave the impression that he was never involved with the rehab group.
This is an important detail because the club clearly lost confidence in what Russell was doing with conditioning etc.
My feeling is that the football manager Lloyd is a highly political animal. He is competent, but when it comes to decision making…. he makes political decisions not practical ones.
I find it staggering that he wasn’t working with the rehab group.I’m just glad he’s gone,it’s laughable when he says we had a lot of players play a lot of games,what about all the players that didn’t play last season
I don't know if his choices or structure lead to the issues, but I do know people in the industry who know Russell. One thing I picked up from a few people is Russell has a view of he knows what's best and what he has always done is best. But he doesn't keep up with changes in research and styles to structure conditioning. An old performance coach of mine actually knows both Russell and new guy and said new guy is great. Very interested the latest research and not doing a general this works for everyone plan. I read between the lines a bit on what I heard from within Carlton that Russell may have been pushed out of the rehab inner circle because of concerns with his style.
One thing I remember when it came out that he was sacked was that he was across two roles at Carlton where at other clubs it’s split into two positions held by two separate individuals. I can’t remember the specifics, but at the end of the day he was the ‘head’. Saying he wasn’t involved is is the equivalent of ‘I don’t hold a hose, mate’
It’s inexplicable that Russell wasn’t part of the rehab group . This can’t be allowed to continue, surely the CEO needs to look into his comments and remedy this situation asap . We the members need an explanation as ongoing injuries have been a massive issue the past few years in our Club .
They were over trained, Voss even came out and said it!
It Would not surprise me if the selection committee at Carlton doesn't actually pick the team each week. 😁
If you don't laugh, you cry.
"I actually didn’t have a huge influence over 'a lot' of those issues" and "I wasn’t involved in 'a lot' of the rehab of a lot of these players once they got injured"
It sounds to me like he was still involved to some extent. If he felt he needed to be more involved in rehab I find it hard to believe that request would be denied. It's almost as if he's trying to claim that he only worked with the players that didn't get injured.
At the end of the day despite the structure of leadership it was his responsibility to prioritise and oversea rehabilitation which he's failed to produce to a reasonable standard therefor he no longer has a role at Carlton.
Am I missing the part where he took accountability for anything?
you missed the part of your own club hanging him out to dry because they wanted to micro manage his role at the club, Carlton are one of the least professional clubs with staff in the comp.
Even if he wasn't in charge of the rehab group, he was in charge when they were fit. And they still kept getting injured. Also sounds like he is trying to blame Marchie, Martin and Cuns as a collective for him having pressure on him. It will be interesting to see what Geelong can get out of Martin. Cuns and Marchie are both talented and should try and join a VFL team and see if they can get through a year and try and get back into AFL. They may all continue to break down ... who knows.
So Cerra had how many hamstrings in one year? 5? While he's blaming injury prone players does he mean Cerra too? Cerra didn't seem to have that inability to handle training loads at fremantle, otherwise we wouldn't have paid what we did for him. I think it brought up more questions than it resolved.. For example, says changes in leadership structure (probably post review), meant he wasn't involved in the rehab group... then who was responsible for players like Cerra?
and why did we only find out about this leadership structure today? The club had many opportunities to be proactive on this. The end of season email from the President was the perfect one to admit what went wrong and how we are going to fix it.
@BlueAbroad Yes indeed. Well, I hope, as you say, that Rob Innes now has full responsibility and access to our entire list and their programs.
It sounds like there was some kind of pre-existing rift between Russell and Lloyd or someone else at the club. It was only Lloyd and Russell that survived the review out of those in the football department wasn't it?
@@michaelmcclure3383 from memory that’s right.
Looking forward to see can't wait to see what Russell says
So who was in charge of the rehabilitation group?
He was, he's trying to undersell his role for any future employment opportunities
Yep, confusing. What concerned me most was the comment that Andrew was managing more the mind than the body! The club has a psychologist to manage that area.
I wonder if Andrew's 'mind management' ran across (inevitable) and into the psychologist's domain... if so... that is definitely problematic.
I think we can assume that Rob Inness is more likely to 'stay in his lane.'
High performance to me seems all about the body. Sure, HP and club psychologist should be in strong communication with each helping the other... but staying in their respective lanes and respecting the other's lane.
@@shane6989 I don’t mind that part tbh.
The mind is the most powerful tool at our disposal.
There’s a lot more to deal with as a human in this age, let alone a professional athlete who has every minute of their life managed.
Time will continue to tell I suppose.
The body is the servant of the mind BUT high performance needs both cylinders running at 100%. A club psych’s role is a difficult role to comprehend as you are dealing with so many moving parts, so to speak. Club culture plays a part in this. Head coach has a lot to do with the mental side. Hire a HP manager who can get his boys looking like they are on roids would be great. I did like the look of sydney last year under Innes. A great cohesive unit.
Brad lloyd needs to be sacked. He is untouchable for some reason but he has been shown to be totally useless over a long period of sustained misery.
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Either that or some sound settings.
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The answer without going into specifics (as I'm not aware of),
think what his role is/was and how he "communicated"
to the rehab group/guy and the players and THAT was one of the reasons.
As for Rehab group guy, flushing him/them out would be great and hear from them.
Hawks couldn’t wait to see the back of him and I’m afraid it ended the same way here. Interestingly some players will sing his praises eg Cripps and to get Charlie back on the park was an achievement. Not much to see after that unfortunately. Feel like Cooky had a hand in the diminished responsibilities in the same way Russell’s role was cut back in the later years at Hawthorn.
Not sure I quite can believe he wasn’t in control of the rehab process tbh.
Seems strange right?
Surely the docs and physio would be the main ones overseeing the rehab group? medically getting them back from injury is there job. Russel would of had some influence in specific movements and exercises prescribed i reckon. He has made it out like he no control but there would of have to been meetings , catchups , on how the injured players are going. Seems like a cop out to me. ON to 25 we Go
Agreed.
Nobody is willing to put their hand up and directly admit fault.
No wonder we’re shit.
There is no way he wasn't in control of the rehab group initially, he was our prized recruit at the time.
We should have moved him on when it wasn't working instead of reducing his role and hamstringing him further
Says alot of Lloyd also
@@andrewcamilleri1172 totally agree.
Seems like that 2021 Review was the time to make the move.
Lloyd survives yet another cut.
Fascinating stuff.
hilarious that you used the term 'Hamstringing' to describe it
Remember when Russell was excluded from our club review. Was that because they already decided to change his role.. because he implies his role changed at that time, that responsibility for the rehab group was taken away from him? I think there needs to be some club response to his comments.
I know sometimes Clubs agree to an interview, but expressly add a no go zone with certain Questions or subject , personal etc ,you never know . R
I think the fact that it was put out in the public was hacky and sinical. They wanted to be seen to be doing something regarding our fragile list.
I think that’s absolutely a problem , not letting the professional you’ve hired do their job proper- some sort of helicopter BS . You’ve hired the wrong guy if you can’t let him do his thing. Weird.
2018 onwards. Our injuries have slowly gone up, you for real
The reason that he had less influence over the rehab structure was because historically the rehab group had been poorly managed, evidenced by repeat injuries to players. On the other side of the coin, to blame Russell for injuries is a bit unfair - what is the role of all the medicos at the club (of which Russell wasn’t)?
Seems Andrew didn’t receive the email stating we’re ranked 4th for games not not played by our senior players.
Club doctors would have looked after player recovery - Russell would have been made aware
Has a bit of a Malthouse vibe about this
Both brought into our Club based off their past reputations at other clubs
Both come in probably knowing it was going to be their last hurrah and both possibly a bit tired and out of new ideas…. Or unwilling to entertain new ideas
My money is on Russel not being seen in the AFL again, definitely not as a physical performance coach anyway
Soft tissue injury are one of the few things you have a great amount of control over
The Club may have sacrificed Russel at face value while also changing things behind the scenes but keeping those moves quite until they prove fruitful
Unfortunately we just didn't get the results that it seemed like we would when he was signed.
Time to move on & look forward to 2025. Not surprised by Russell’s comments.
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@@dannigirl3690 it’s on the list 👀
Yes to JSOS down back
I imagine they would have other physio’s and medical staff that would be help with rehabilitation. Kind of makes sense, however he seems to be avoiding responsibility for how his program may have contributed to the injuries happening in the first place.
Insane that we let his level of ego and incompetence go on for so long.
This is a man that has decimated our list for 6 years consistently with the highest injury levels in the league.
It was his job to get to the bottom of soft tissues injuries; nutrition, biomechanics, loadings, repair processes in the body, epigenetic, genetics, muscular imbalances.
He harps on about leadership, mindset, sleep he obviously is unaware of the state of the art.
We have moved toward a much better direction with Inness, totally relieved.
Hopefully we can see a much healthier group now.
Sounds like he was managing down and pushing tasks onto his team not best suited. And given the year we had as the manager his head ended up being on the chopping block. Lets hope the new guy has a better managerial style and puts competent people in place.
Morning mate, first thing with our injury rate maybe he should have concentrated less on the mind and more on the body. With you mate how does the high performance manager not have an input in recovering players, seems very strange. The real truth is always inbetween the to sides of every argument mate. I'm not saying I know much about what went on but I've heard some things, no names. The story I've heard is he was spending a lot of time venturing into other areas of the club that weren't in his responsibility and when pulled up about it and at the point players were dropping like flies he conplained the depasrtment was understaffed. It was around the time of the review, so cooky put on another person, aperently it was realised the club wasn't putting enough resources in. The issue remained, he kept inserting himself into others areas. The other thing i've heard is as good as he was his ideas on man management and load had become out dated and he wasn't moving with this knew research. He'd seen the writing on the wall for mouths before he left, the club had lost confidence in him. Now I'm like you mate how close to the truth this is I've gotten no way of verifying it as absolute truth, is there such a thing or is it their side your side. Saying that I've no reason to believe the place I've heard this isn't close to the reality. If he was sidelined from the recovery group did the review pick up on the shortcoming and this new person will have greater access, like you Tez we can only hope. Great show as always mate, Go Tez, Go Blues
Fair bit to unpack here as you would say. When ever I hear a employee in this manner who has been released, I straight away start asking is this the whole truth? My understanding was when he came over he had full control over all aspects of high performance, he was the over seer so to speak. I could be wrong on this though. What ever the role break down at the start, it wasnt working because injuries persisted. We need to remember, injuries were an issue pre Russell, he was the messiah who was going to fix it all. This obviously didnt happen so I am not suprised that change was enacted. I would be disappointed if it wasn't.
Even though he may not have been part of the rehab group at the end, these players regularly made it back to fitness, playing VFL and making it back into the team, once this is completed, is he not then responsible for the reinjuring themselves if loads are to large?
I definitely took what AR said with a grain of salt.
Ultimately this is a game of protecting number #1 and I’m sure the truth sits somewhere in between both versions as it usually does.
You’re right, the injuries were far too consistent and held the team back.
Let’s hope the new people incoming are the right ones!
Truth is, our players as a group as a whole have never looked rock hard fit.
Swans , cats , lions and pies always look like rocks
He was pretty good at Hawthorn hey? Clarkson said he was a huge reason for their success. I just see people looking for someone to blame. He got Charlie right but thats glossed over too! We weren't the only club to have a massive injury list, but i think too many supporters almost expected a flag in 2024 so when the injuries took their toll the witch hunt was on. High performance doesnt mean you can stop injuries haha, sometimes shit happens.
We've had injuy problems for years, were they his fault too? Maybe the surface we train on?
@@travprice3979 we were second worst for injuries in the comp in 2024 I believe
@michaelmcclure3383 injuries to just a few players is the difference between second worst and middle of the pack. Blaming him with no idea whatsoever of the way the club operates is just low hanging fruit. As i said, he was pretty good at Hawthorn hey? Maybe their players take rehab more seriously? There was a problem with that at Carlton and its nothing new.
@travprice3979 well actually if you listened to his interview he said since 2021,(date,of,the,review) he didn't have control of the rehab group. That was the strangest thing to come out of the interview and it leaves a lot of questions unanswered. For example Cerra and his 5 hammies... I hope Innes has complete control now. We need a club response to his comments
@michaelmcclure3383 he went ok at Hawthorn though
@travprice3979 I wouldn't be too surprised if we had the worst injury toll over the last 3 years.
When does the pressure start to mount on Brad Lloyd… he’s got a lot of questions to answer
I wish I knew.
Andrew Russell better not let us faithfull catch him the dog
Andrew Russell was at 3 clubs before Carlton(Ess, Port, Haw and now Carl) and won 6 premierships as well as over a dozen top 4 finishes as a Strength and Conditioning Coach, now, he was on good money, seems like some power players wanted to free up money in the coaches salary cap and he was forced out for an extra assistant coach or a coaches higher salary, i hope you guys get a competent replacement.....
So who really was in charge of rehab group? Sounds very weird to me.
Does it sound to anyone else that Russell is making sure we all know "it's not his fault?" I mean if he's not involved in rehab, then what was his actual job? Keeping fit players fit?
So who allowed Charlie to play with a serious injury and Corey with a busted shoulder? It's a 27 round season and yet we were cooked by round 17. Play the kids!
I feel he’s passing the buck a bit. Remember, the sports and conditioning of our players was reviewed by the club at the end of 2022 and again midway through this season past. I highly doubt an operator like Brian Cook would allow the sort of incompetence Russell is suggesting.
You’re right terry bit weir Andrew he wasn’t part of players rehab program
16 players out of the team and struggling to fill our AFL team how can he say we had a lot of fit players smoke and mirrors
But didn't whoever that was overseeing the Rehab group report Andrew Russell ??
Buck stops where.
@@tonenotrequired8626 true!
Don’t change bloosss your hilarious
Comments on the surface are quite damning, borderline bizarre however like most stories there is a truth from one side, a truth from the other and then the actual truth somewhere in between.
Were Carlton known for running out games when our best team was available? Yes. Is it factual though, that outside of 2019 (when we started horrendously) and 2023, Carlton finished seasons consistently injury stricken? Yes. Is that list? a portion however the program was due a change.
The real reason is that he was too busy with Low Performance.
Who oversees this High Performance area? Andrew Russell. Who does he report to? GM Football. Who’s that? Brad Lloyd. Nuff said.
Restructuring the high performance manager out of his role has crazy Vossy written all over it.
The circus will continue and this premiership window will be slaughtered by the crazy one.
Should take responsibility , abrogated his responsibility, how can the man not be the man , it's almost ludicrous , was someone holding onto your leg , Now i am concerned , absolutely unintelligible, ironically ambiguous cop out , GOB SMACKED
Lets be real here. Our fan base and even those inside the club have been blaming Russell for years
Now that he's been moved on hes come out and shirked all the blame and tried to put it on the club
Proof will be in the pudding in 2025 if we dont get anywhere near the amount of soft tissue stuff with Inness in charge then its fairly easy to deduct the reasons
Can't wait for season 2025
Also wanna hear from anyone that has been watching DGB at training and how he is travelling
Go Blues
If there was a notion inside the club that Russell wasn't the man for the job, why not move him on after the review? Why diminish his role?
I'll be at Open Training on Friday and will be sure to look out for DGB.
@@BlueAbroad the only time ive heard about him having a diminished role is now though...perhaps he's telling porky pies? Lol
Im just looking forward to the future anyway. With Inness in charge of high performance, hopefully he can have a positive impact
Cheers for the updates too
Let people do there job!!!
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@@BlueAbroad Maybe what I wrote last night didn't save. Others have already covered most of what I said, so I will just add that Russell is of course going to defend himself, so we take his words with that in mind. A bit obvious that he had that 87% stat ready to go. Being removed from rehab is 100% a result of The Review. Sayers and others said explicitly that a major issue was clearly defined roles and areas and making sure everyone stayed in their lane. I don't have a problem with Russell not running the rehab program. It's a specialty act these days, and in the US players seek all sorts of solutions on their own or with team guidance, so it's all over the map. The HP boss doesn't have time these days for all that. He should be aware and if anything works - e.g., Harry's sprint coach - it should be brought into the main program, so it's weird that particular improvement didn't happen. Aside from that, while I've been a harsh critic in the past, it was mostly about the broken backs (still a big question in my view) and some stunted growth, it's clear to me that the boys were more fit than ever and stronger. We could run out games like we haven't seen in decades, and mostly take the physical punishment from the opposition. So Russell was a big success there, don't care what anyone else says.
However, what's the deal with the mental stuff? It's all so vague, how do you quantify anything?
Trying to point blame onto others
Had a gutful of this bloke! Took all the credit of getting omera and burgoyne right when they came from other clubs now when it doesnt work out he shifts the blame! Im intrigued how jack martin will go at geelong
Not the only problem but he was a big part of the problem
True. The question that remains is whether the problem has been solved.
This feels like a bloke thats trying to pass the buck. As if you wouldn’t be involved with the rehab group when your head was on the chopping block?? Not to mention he was the Head of High performance. I call some bullshit on that. Maybe the club took some responsibilities off him because he was doing a below par job? And if he had no dealings with the rehab group. Then how can he have helped Doch and Charlie get back on track? Or did they go to him? Hmmm, it just doesn’t make any sense at all mate!!
Baldy!
Andrew Russell stop lying God and Jesus knows you are lying!
I think that’s absolutely a problem , not letting the professional you’ve hired do their job proper- some sort of helicopter BS . You’ve hired the wrong guy if you can’t let him do his thing. Weird.