This is my only monetized video out of the last bunch. If you could share and like the crap out of this video it would mean a lot to us! Appreciate everyone 💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥
Just did the Patreon thing. I really like the scope cam footage. A lot of the rimfire channels leave me questioning the shooter's ability. That scope cam does a great job of showing the hold.
@@PursuitofAccuracy Just want to throw something out there - If you were ever looking for any copyright free music I would love to try to contribute to your channel. Play multiple instruments across multiple genres of music would be willing to make stuff specifically for the channel at absolutely no charge. Cheers 🍻
@@johnpawlowski804 Based on watching many of Josh's livestreams hes mentioned many times that he enjoys the production aspect of the videos and since it would be redundant to provide video content explaining firearms although I am a 12 year active naval sensor operator / firecontrol supervisor, I've also been a part time musician my entire life and figured I would contribute in a meaningful way to this channel that I love so much. You're right most people probably don't watch this channel for the music, But what is the harm in offering free music that would be unique and potentially improve the quality of production of the channel? Happy Wednesday 😊
Good video. I see that I'm not the only one a little disappointed at the range when I don't get the performance that I hoped for. It happens to us all. And there will be better days. I really appreciate you going thru the Lot Numbers and what they mean. It definitely helps me. By the way: at the range last week, A guy was checking out my CZ. He asked if I ever saw POA on Utube. I told him I watch it all the time! So we're reading you loud and clear hear in Missouri. Thanks for posting great videos!
That is exceptional marksmanship. Who would have thought that 22LR shooting can be that precise and EXPENSIVE! Wow, you have a lot of money tied up in the rifles and in the optics. I'm a plinker from way back, but I feel great hitting a 10 inch pie plate at 75 yards, fugetabout shooting one inch groups dead center. My current 22 rifle is a surplus Romanian bolt action training piece, which I bought 30 years ago from a buddy at work. Post front and peep rear, 10 round mag. It is an off hand can shooting SOG, but it would never compete with your rigs.
This was a great video! Paper targets at 150+ yards is a humbling experience. I want to burn a lot of targets at that range but I don't...I just keep working on my fundamentals. Please do more like this. I'm sure the Vudoo is a great rifle I'm not sure it's worth that premium price. Once you find that perfect lot for the Vudoo come back and do that CZ vs Vudoo over again.
A good optic is your friend, especially as we get older, you don't need a premium rifle to have fun, a Cz457 with an area419 30moa base and a good scope will have you smiling all day, grab the optics when they are on sale (like right now) saving a few hundred bucks on an optic makes me happy
Excellent info as usual. I must look into your theory on the speed affects on the Bullets. As it happens my Vudoo loves RWS R50 which is screaming out on it at 1133fps Looking forward to seeing the Vudoo once you have the lot testing done. Keep up the good work
CZ has always been one of the best shooters ever. Pro rabbit shooters in Australia were using the Model 1 way back in the 50's . I have a model 2 . The other one to look at would be the Lithgow 101 and the Anschutz.
Love the content! Coincidentally, was at the range today and the last bit of shooting was confirming dope at 150 yards. Ended up with a 1 5/8" group with ten rounds, so 1.04 moa. CZ 457 At One 24" with RWS Rifle Match.
You have a great channel Josh, great content and informative. Just bought a CZ and putting it in a Element 4.0 chassis, fixing to give the NRL/PRS stuff a try. Can't wait!
Love the videos brother. I'm currently shooting a kidd built 10//22 & a cz455 both are great shooters here at our local matches. I will be adding the cz457 precision trainer next.
nice job josh. i got some black box from champions choice for pretty good price brick and case. don't know if they have your lot but they have a good amount.
I may have seen the same thing the other day, SK long range match is good at 50 but opens up at 100 where SK rifel match shot a little worse at 50 but much better a 100 on a fairly windy day. I was always under the impression that a slower bullet had more time for wind to react on it, but I guess the faster bullet has more wind reacting on it.
It's your fault Josh...... trading my 452 and have just ordered a 457 LRP Mk2 ..... now to see what it likes to eat... I have narrowed it down to around 5 of what lies on your scoreboard.. Eley Match, RWS R50, SK Long Range, SK Rifle Match & SK Std Plus, hopefully one of those will do the job. Thanks so much, just waiting on my variation now so I can collect it....
thanks on info about ammo lot found best bang for buck in my cz457 at one is sk biathlon good velocity accurate only slightly larger group from the best ammo at 1/2 or less in price! I can afford to shoot a lot. Thanks for the previous ammo reviews.
Hey Josh, little food for thought that I think will help loads with your consistency for testing off the bench? Those Armageddon gear style bags you use for PRS are not great as a rear bag for bench target shooting and accuracy testing due to the fact the have to squeeze them to get the height and solidity you need for each shot. Over the course of a mag and a shoot (or vid in your case) the pressure you are applying will decrease and vary and it will change every time you reset your hands. Equally you may relax your shoulder somewhat decreasing the pressure on the rear of the rifle too, and in both cases that means the rifle will recoil and respond differently with each shot making getting consistent shots much harder. Maybe check out the Protektor or Lenzi solid base style rear bags they will give you much better results off a bench, the bullet velocity is a huge factor as you say but that will help eliminate some variables for you for your testing hopefully. I have a custom CZ with a 24" MPA barrel currently and have a vudoo with a 18" MTU on order so am looking forward to doing my own testing on this! Just a thought anyway, thanks for the vid :)
Just to toss in what I have been doing along these lines... I found that using a good adjustable front rest and a solid rest that holds a small sand bag rear, the back of the rifle sits very solid and still as the front of the rifle on the adjustable rest gets tweaked to the target for the shot. The more movement that I take away from the back of the rifle, i.e. human interference, the better the groups get. My MTR is a lot more accurate than I have known, using this method! To me, squeeze bags allow for human mistakes and too much interference.
I have viewed all of your videos. I need an accurate 22 for 50 yards and less (Sparrow silhouettes). What would be your recommendations for gun and scope set up?
This is more about doping wind than the potential accuracy of either rifle ! Would like to see you re test without wind thanks Is the barrel on the CZ stock or a Lilja ?
I am no expert, but to me to truly test accuracy of a rifle it must be done in a controlled environment like the lapua testing facility. There are just too many variables trying to do it at a range or out in the back yard. I would also like to see at a testing facility to emulate weather and temperature conditions. You can find a certain brand and lot# of bullets, may work fine at a 65 degrees, but if its colder or warmer this may impact the accuracy as well.
The problem with the test center is its a totally different environment than what you shoot in. Your rifle is in a fixture viced down shooting in a tunnel. Thats great for consistency but doesnt show you any real world results.....you might settle on a very fast lot in the tunnel that goes crazy in the wind vs a slower velocity bullet that doesnt react as bad to changes in wind speed and direction. Just my thought behind how i test
Good evening! I just want to say thanks for the great video!! I'm currently thinking about purchasing a precision .22lr and while doing a search it had the Aunschutz and Vudoo at the top. I really don't want to spend $3000 as I'm not going to be competing and want something to use in a Remington 700 chassis so it will be a similar setup to a 300 WM/7mm but less expensive to shoot. I was wondering if you could give the details of your CZ setup, what stock it's in, your feedback on feeding and any issues you have with the CZ and how it compares to the Vudoo? What kind of trigger and any key modifications you have done or one would need to do? And what's the ballpark price? Sorry for all the questions, The CZ seems pretty legit and if I can get a solid/comparable rifle for a lot less than a Vudoo than any info you could share would be greatly appreciated. What's your take on CZ 457 vs Bergara B14 if you have any knowledge of them comparably? Thank you sir! ~Chris
Hey Josh, noticed in your vids you use a Titan cheek rest on your CZ. I also got a Titan for my CZ 457 Pro Varmint, but never installed it because it seems like it would prevent easy cleaning with my rod. What do you do for cleaning with that thing on?
Josh, If I recall correctly, you had a 16" MTR barrel, a 20" MTR barrel and of course the Lilja on the CZ. I know the 20" MTR and Lilja both shot well. I'm not sure if you pitched the 16". But I am curious if any one of the barrels had a broader range of ammo that it liked.
Hi Jeff. I found that the stock mtr barrels shot pretty dang good but were a little ammo picky. The lilja is a little less picky and a little more accurate. Of course there will be anomolies to this barrel to barrel but what I have seen in my barrels
@@PursuitofAccuracy Thanks for answering all my questions Josh, and congrats on the Sunday GunDay publication! I finally got me a base CZ to build from, and your videos had a huge influence on my choice.
Ive shot slower but it doesnt imrpove my groups or hits and the discipline i shoot is timed so you have to shoot at a good pace to make time. I appreciate ya watching and the tip though
While I appreciate and enjoy the content, it's nearly useless to compare anything .22LR related. My shooting friends and I typically shoot groups at 50 and 100 and from group to group, you may see as much as a 1/2" difference at 100 yards. It's just the nature of the beast when it comes to .22s.
Haha. Seriously great videos. Two things. Took the eley subsonic out to 100m on paper yesterday in my MTR -1.8 - 2 moa🤦🏻. I’ll try match ammo at that range when the wind dies down. I’d love you to test that ammo for a video. Second - can you explain the more thoroughly how a faster projectile is more affected by wind. Thanks.
I think its due to the lower bc. The bullet isnt as stable as a high bc centerfire would be. So the harder you push that projectile the less it takes to destabalize it
Both the CZ and the Vudoo's chambers are designed for Lapua/SK ammo. You should send your rifle to Lapua and they will lot test for you. Way cheaper than you doing it yourself and way more accurately tested too. You're definitely not using the full potential of either of those rifles using that Eley stuff.
@@jerrodpropeck6567 I have been to lapua with the CZ. I got a case of center x. The lilja prefers eley match im shooting over the center x I got from them. Not dogging them but the eley and rws have been slaying it this year.
@@PursuitofAccuracy when you get a new 22 do you do a barrel break in? I got a new Christensen Arms Ranger 22 and wanted to be sure I do it right if I should do a break in. If so what do you recommend.
Just plugged in some velocity changes for my Ballistics AE app. Subsonic ammo as you say has a greater wind deflection with a higher velocity. Not so he same with my centrefire. Does this only happen with subsonic speeds?🤯
I think its due to the lower bc. The bullet isnt as stable as a high bc centerfire would be. So the harder you push that projectile the less it takes to destabalize it. My theory for right now anyways 🤣🤣
Seems like the Voodoo is not only overpriced but a little bit overestimated also. Marketing is matketing ANSHUTZ 64 MPR from the stock would do the job better. Boys from CZ are pupils of ANSHUTZ
My local gun store has a CZ-457 "Pro-varmint". Is this the same barrel and action as the Precision Trainer version. They also have a Christensen Arms Ranger 22. This would be my first bolt 22 but I would rather buy once and cry once?
The pro varmint will be a boyds stock and a 16.5" standard barrel. The vpt is basically the same rifle but in a manners stock. The vpt mtr will be the same as the standard vpt but has a match chamber
Thank you for the advice. I think the Pro-varmint will be my best bet to get started. I am thinking I want to go with the mdt lss-rf chassis eventually anyways. Maybe at that point I can switch to a longer barrel.
Id be first to say after playing with a few Vudoo's and comparing... their Ravage chamber is garbage. Even with lot testing, their barrel fitment and chamberings are all over the place. I ceracasted 4 vudoo chambers and see deviation over 5 thousandths in chamber depths and they can't settle on one barrel manufacturer which causes performance differences between the models
Any identical bullet travelling faster wont ever drift more in the wind than the same bullet travelling slower, you cant defy the laws of physics, the fast something travels the less time the wind has to affect it. The Vudoo had more horizontal due to the barrels dislike of the ammo, try a barrel tuner to get the barrel better tuned to the ammo.
@@mikecook9805 they dont unless one bullet has a significantly worse BC than the other. If both bullets have a very similar weight and BC then increased velocity will always result in less wind drift, thats not my opinion thats the laws of physics.
Seems like an awful lot of money to pay for a firearm and then have to play with the mag. to make it feed. Is this a cronic problem or have they addressed it and came up with a fix. If i were the MFG that would not be just a tad bit embarrassing, but a huge burr under my saddle. Every channel i watch this is a hot topic.
@@justinvandee9428 I have been just ordering lots from killough and testing myself. Worked great for the 457. Just need to save up for a case for the vudoo
@@PursuitofAccuracy I had a brick of Center X I fed to me CZ 457 LRP. With pretty good results. Then I let a friend use some of his cheapest .22LR money can buy, that he uses through a 40 year old Chinese CZ Bruno Model 2 cloned Norinco, and the accuracy has actually improved! Sometimes you can get lucky. "Geco Rifle .22LR 40gr 1083fps LRN Optimized for bolt-action rifles. Note: May not cycle in all semi-auto guns."
Hey Josh I have forgotten that result already . I know you shoot your CZ lights out , I expected the Vudoo to be more accurate than that at distance , the CZ is still my favourite they shoot fine at distance also from my experience with my 455 , great video thanks mate . Steve .
I find I watch your wind flags as much as your shots, the more I shoot, the more I am a student of reading wind, especially when you get in the 300 yard + range, awesome video Josh
Great informative video ! Love the scope cam, target cam and ammo photo in addition to you shooting. I’m amazed how steady your holds are …. You are machine. After reading other’s comments, I think I need to add an inch or so to my butt length for more consistent / comfortable shoulder contact.
Great video. Yes the scope cam shots are really informative and show how steady Josh holds. I need to work on getting as steady as that or close to it.
I’ve been considering using BallisticX. Do you trust it to give good data? The Vudoo was sub MOA and the CZ was just sub MOA. It’s hard with the weather change, you’re cold, so you’re more tense. The jacket you’re wearing could change your Length of Pull. You need to check that. It went from summer to winter here in less than a week. I was so agitated that I haven’t shot for several days. I’m still adjusting my attitude so I can relax behind the gun again. Going from 90’s to the 40’s in a few days, it’s hard dude. I would be happy with either of those groups. Thanks awesome shooting.
This makes me feel happy seeing the vudoo perform like that as my highly modded converted sbr 10/22 Kidd Volquartsen charger hybrid can achieve similar groups on occasion when everything is right with the cz at 150meters and dare I say at least on the selected best 5 shot group it’s better than the vudoo 😄. Just got lucky as that rig is more than ok with cci standard velocity.
Crazy accuracy on the CZ! I always wonder how will the other CZ compare with each other for example CZ 457 American. Could you please share what items are you using to keep the rifle more stable? Thanks.
The scope cam lets us see the slightly inconsistent recoil patterns too. Sometimes up and left, sometimes up and right, etc. It doesn't seem to have a significant effect on impacts?
The magazine feed problems would really bother me with the vudoo. I have 2 CZ's and never a problem. Maybe 1 out of 50 magazines the last round will not feed easily needing to have the nose pushed down. I've seen a lot of discussion about magazine feed problems. As for the accuracy, that's most likely just a matter of finding what the rifle likes. I wouldn't worry too much about that but the magazine feed problems seem persistent.
The cz is much less finicky for sure. The vudoo has issues but they are easily worked out. I was careless when i loaded that mag.....but.....that would never be the case with the cz
This is my only monetized video out of the last bunch. If you could share and like the crap out of this video it would mean a lot to us! Appreciate everyone 💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥
Good stuff,whatever that was.😎👍
I want this gun!
I guess no harm in a little tasteful music here and there😎👍
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Just did the Patreon thing. I really like the scope cam footage. A lot of the rimfire channels leave me questioning the shooter's ability. That scope cam does a great job of showing the hold.
Thanks a ton brother. I saw it come through earlier. Good luck on the dec giveaway
I Agree . He can shoot! Was just wondering what he uses to record through the scope?
@@johngalt4769 They make scopes with built in cameras...
Hey Josh, man that CZ of yours is hard to beat, even with a top/end rimfire rifle. Great video, its a pity we can only like the video once..
I appreciate ya brother
Instinctively hit like during the ad intro. Instinctively know this is going to be entertaining and informative as always.😁
Also great shooting, I'm impressed by how steady your getting 👏 love the scope cam 📷
Thanks brother
@@PursuitofAccuracy Just want to throw something out there - If you were ever looking for any copyright free music I would love to try to contribute to your channel. Play multiple instruments across multiple genres of music would be willing to make stuff specifically for the channel at absolutely no charge. Cheers 🍻
@@msi1985 that would be cool. Im using epidemic sound right now
That’s good, I believe the majority of us are here for the guns,video, and the shooting, and the knowledge josh, Not the music
@@johnpawlowski804 Based on watching many of Josh's livestreams hes mentioned many times that he enjoys the production aspect of the videos and since it would be redundant to provide video content explaining firearms although I am a 12 year active naval sensor operator / firecontrol supervisor, I've also been a part time musician my entire life and figured I would contribute in a meaningful way to this channel that I love so much. You're right most people probably don't watch this channel for the music, But what is the harm in offering free music that would be unique and potentially improve the quality of production of the channel? Happy Wednesday 😊
Good video. I see that I'm not the only one a little disappointed at the range when I don't get the performance that I hoped for. It happens to us all. And there will be better days. I really appreciate you going thru the Lot Numbers and what they mean. It definitely helps me. By the way: at the range last week, A guy was checking out my CZ. He asked if I ever saw POA on Utube. I told him I watch it all the time! So we're reading you loud and clear hear in Missouri. Thanks for posting great videos!
Haha awesome. Thanks Charlie
No need to apologize for shooting 1.5" groups at 150 yds! p.s. Just sell that Vudoo and use the proceeds to buy ammo for that exceptional CZ :-)
Haha not a bad idea David
Excellent, non biased video, as always. Keep up the great work.
Thanks Chuck
That is exceptional marksmanship. Who would have thought that 22LR shooting can be that precise and EXPENSIVE! Wow, you have a lot of money tied up in the rifles and in the optics.
I'm a plinker from way back, but I feel great hitting a 10 inch pie plate at 75 yards, fugetabout shooting one inch groups dead center.
My current 22 rifle is a surplus Romanian bolt action training piece, which I bought 30 years ago from a buddy at work. Post front and peep rear, 10 round mag. It is an off hand can shooting SOG, but it would never compete with your rigs.
Lol thanks
This was a great video! Paper targets at 150+ yards is a humbling experience.
I want to burn a lot of targets at that range but I don't...I just keep working on my fundamentals.
Please do more like this.
I'm sure the Vudoo is a great rifle I'm not sure it's worth that premium price.
Once you find that perfect lot for the Vudoo come back and do that CZ vs Vudoo over again.
A good optic is your friend, especially as we get older, you don't need a premium rifle to have fun, a Cz457 with an area419 30moa base and a good scope will have you smiling all day, grab the optics when they are on sale (like right now) saving a few hundred bucks on an optic makes me happy
Excellent info as usual.
I must look into your theory on the speed affects on the Bullets.
As it happens my Vudoo loves RWS R50 which is screaming out on it at 1133fps
Looking forward to seeing the Vudoo once you have the lot testing done.
Keep up the good work
Its very interesting
CZ has always been one of the best shooters ever. Pro rabbit shooters in Australia were using the Model 1 way back in the 50's . I have a model 2 . The other one to look at would be the Lithgow 101 and the Anschutz.
Love the content! Coincidentally, was at the range today and the last bit of shooting was confirming dope at 150 yards. Ended up with a 1 5/8" group with ten rounds, so 1.04 moa. CZ 457 At One 24" with RWS Rifle Match.
Excellent
I shoot the rifle match too and target rifle out of my 457 Varmint mtr...good stuff
Great explaination on lot #'s. Thanks
Thanks as always Josh...
Thanks Barry
Thanks for the breakdown on the Eley lot numbers.
No problem
Thank you enjoyed your video we will forget this ever happened, I'm going to share it right now
Thanks Joel
That was excellent information on lot numbers!!!! 👍🇨🇦
Great video. I loved the content and the scope cam plus the target view, Awesome!!!!
Thanks!
Never quit learning from you.keep up the quality work and happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.
Thanks Richard I appreciate ya
It would be cool to see this comparison starting at 50yrd and then doing 100 and 150 to see how ether of them open up at distance.
You have a great channel Josh, great content and informative. Just bought a CZ and putting it in a Element 4.0 chassis, fixing to give the NRL/PRS stuff a try. Can't wait!
Excellent Kyle. Your gonna have a blast
Great video!! Thanks for the breakdown of the numbers ..
Thanks James, np
Love the videos brother. I'm currently shooting a kidd built 10//22 & a cz455 both are great shooters here at our local matches. I will be adding the cz457 precision trainer next.
These vids makes me feel good about owning my 457. It ain't always the arrow. It's usually the Indian. :)
True
Great video as usual and excellent sense of humor ( made me chuckle ) 🤣
I try lol
nice job josh. i got some black box from champions choice for pretty good price brick and case. don't know if they have your lot but they have a good amount.
Great video. I feel your pain in testing rimfire. 🤣🤣🤣🤕
Lmao
Thanks for the excellent video.
I may have seen the same thing the other day, SK long range match is good at 50 but opens up at 100 where SK rifel match shot a little worse at 50 but much better a 100 on a fairly windy day. I was always under the impression that a slower bullet had more time for wind to react on it, but I guess the faster bullet has more wind reacting on it.
Yeah its definitely strange. I will be doing more research and testing for sure
It's your fault Josh...... trading my 452 and have just ordered a 457 LRP Mk2 ..... now to see what it likes to eat... I have narrowed it down to around 5 of what lies on your scoreboard.. Eley Match, RWS R50, SK Long Range, SK Rifle Match & SK Std Plus, hopefully one of those will do the job. Thanks so much, just waiting on my variation now so I can collect it....
thanks on info about ammo lot found best bang for buck in my cz457 at one is sk biathlon good velocity accurate only slightly larger group from the best ammo at 1/2 or less in price! I can afford to shoot a lot. Thanks for the previous ammo reviews.
Awesome
Good one Josh.
Thanks
Never would have guessed that higher velocity could equate to more wind impact.
Me either honestly.
Hey Josh, little food for thought that I think will help loads with your consistency for testing off the bench? Those Armageddon gear style bags you use for PRS are not great as a rear bag for bench target shooting and accuracy testing due to the fact the have to squeeze them to get the height and solidity you need for each shot. Over the course of a mag and a shoot (or vid in your case) the pressure you are applying will decrease and vary and it will change every time you reset your hands. Equally you may relax your shoulder somewhat decreasing the pressure on the rear of the rifle too, and in both cases that means the rifle will recoil and respond differently with each shot making getting consistent shots much harder. Maybe check out the Protektor or Lenzi solid base style rear bags they will give you much better results off a bench, the bullet velocity is a huge factor as you say but that will help eliminate some variables for you for your testing hopefully. I have a custom CZ with a 24" MPA barrel currently and have a vudoo with a 18" MTU on order so am looking forward to doing my own testing on this! Just a thought anyway, thanks for the vid :)
Just to toss in what I have been doing along these lines... I found that using a good adjustable front rest and a solid rest that holds a small sand bag rear, the back of the rifle sits very solid and still as the front of the rifle on the adjustable rest gets tweaked to the target for the shot. The more movement that I take away from the back of the rifle, i.e. human interference, the better the groups get. My MTR is a lot more accurate than I have known, using this method!
To me, squeeze bags allow for human mistakes and too much interference.
All good points gents. Im just a creature of habit I suppose and havent looked for a bench specific setup yet
AWESOME !!!!
Thanks Joe
I have viewed all of your videos. I need an accurate 22 for 50 yards and less (Sparrow silhouettes). What would be your recommendations for gun and scope set up?
@@kenterline64 cz 457 and whatever optic fits your remaining budget.
This is more about doping wind than the potential accuracy of either rifle ! Would like to see you re test without wind
thanks Is the barrel on the CZ stock or a Lilja ?
I am no expert, but to me to truly test accuracy of a rifle it must be done in a controlled environment like the lapua testing facility. There are just too many variables trying to do it at a range or out in the back yard. I would also like to see at a testing facility to emulate weather and temperature conditions. You can find a certain brand and lot# of bullets, may work fine at a 65 degrees, but if its colder or warmer this may impact the accuracy as well.
The problem with the test center is its a totally different environment than what you shoot in.
Your rifle is in a fixture viced down shooting in a tunnel.
Thats great for consistency but doesnt show you any real world results.....you might settle on a very fast lot in the tunnel that goes crazy in the wind vs a slower velocity bullet that doesnt react as bad to changes in wind speed and direction.
Just my thought behind how i test
You need to check out Ray at x-ring He comes in with a second in open class with the stock Cz 457. It’s not the arrows it’s the Indian
Yeah i know ray and hes an excellent shooter, dont tell him i said that though 🤣
Where do you buy your ammo that you have a choice in what lot number you purchase?
Killough shooting sports
Good evening! I just want to say thanks for the great video!! I'm currently thinking about purchasing a precision .22lr and while doing a search it had the Aunschutz and Vudoo at the top. I really don't want to spend $3000 as I'm not going to be competing and want something to use in a Remington 700 chassis so it will be a similar setup to a 300 WM/7mm but less expensive to shoot. I was wondering if you could give the details of your CZ setup, what stock it's in, your feedback on feeding and any issues you have with the CZ and how it compares to the Vudoo? What kind of trigger and any key modifications you have done or one would need to do? And what's the ballpark price? Sorry for all the questions, The CZ seems pretty legit and if I can get a solid/comparable rifle for a lot less than a Vudoo than any info you could share would be greatly appreciated. What's your take on CZ 457 vs Bergara B14 if you have any knowledge of them comparably? Thank you sir!
~Chris
Hey Josh, noticed in your vids you use a Titan cheek rest on your CZ. I also got a Titan for my CZ 457 Pro Varmint, but never installed it because it seems like it would prevent easy cleaning with my rod. What do you do for cleaning with that thing on?
I loosened the action screws and lifted the action up
Josh, If I recall correctly, you had a 16" MTR barrel, a 20" MTR barrel and of course the Lilja on the CZ. I know the 20" MTR and Lilja both shot well. I'm not sure if you pitched the 16". But I am curious if any one of the barrels had a broader range of ammo that it liked.
Hi Jeff. I found that the stock mtr barrels shot pretty dang good but were a little ammo picky.
The lilja is a little less picky and a little more accurate.
Of course there will be anomolies to this barrel to barrel but what I have seen in my barrels
@@PursuitofAccuracy Thanks for answering all my questions Josh, and congrats on the Sunday GunDay publication! I finally got me a base CZ to build from, and your videos had a huge influence on my choice.
I enjoy your videos you are shooting way too fast slow down a little you have some great equipment keep them coming
Ive shot slower but it doesnt imrpove my groups or hits and the discipline i shoot is timed so you have to shoot at a good pace to make time.
I appreciate ya watching and the tip though
While I appreciate and enjoy the content, it's nearly useless to compare anything .22LR related. My shooting friends and I typically shoot groups at 50 and 100 and from group to group, you may see as much as a 1/2" difference at 100 yards. It's just the nature of the beast when it comes to .22s.
I blame the ammo you used. This two guns are very accurate even at 300yards. You miss the enjoyment coz of your ammo😅
Haha. Seriously great videos. Two things. Took the eley subsonic out to 100m on paper yesterday in my MTR -1.8 - 2 moa🤦🏻. I’ll try match ammo at that range when the wind dies down. I’d love you to test that ammo for a video. Second - can you explain the more thoroughly how a faster projectile is more affected by wind. Thanks.
I think its due to the lower bc.
The bullet isnt as stable as a high bc centerfire would be.
So the harder you push that projectile the less it takes to destabalize it
Think about your car on the highway...wind is blowing at 10 mph...if you are going 80mph you are effected more...if going 50 mph you are effected less
@@theunforgivenpuritan4102 makes sense
@@PursuitofAccuracy early riser I see...have a great Thanksgiving brotherman
@@theunforgivenpuritan4102 more like a late nighter haha. I work 3rd shift during the week
Feed that vudoo center x. That’s what it’s built around.
I dont have anything against center x but for the last year I have seen far better lots from eley than lapua.
Handicapped the Vudoo using Eley. Put Lapua through it, or at least SK, that's the chamber they were designed for. My Vudoo loves SK PM.
@@72Cowboy72 I will when I find a lot that out performs lot tested eley match
Both the CZ and the Vudoo's chambers are designed for Lapua/SK ammo. You should send your rifle to Lapua and they will lot test for you. Way cheaper than you doing it yourself and way more accurately tested too. You're definitely not using the full potential of either of those rifles using that Eley stuff.
@@jerrodpropeck6567 I have been to lapua with the CZ. I got a case of center x. The lilja prefers eley match im shooting over the center x I got from them.
Not dogging them but the eley and rws have been slaying it this year.
What scope camera setup is that?
Sideshot scopecam
Off topic, but what jacket do you have on?
Its an under armor shell
@@PursuitofAccuracy when you get a new 22 do you do a barrel break in? I got a new Christensen Arms Ranger 22 and wanted to be sure I do it right if I should do a break in. If so what do you recommend.
Do shoot any Anschutz ?
I dont. Not very common here
Nice Josh. What do you think of the Midas Tac?
I like the midas tac quite a bit. Very good scope for prs
Just plugged in some velocity changes for my Ballistics AE app. Subsonic ammo as you say has a greater wind deflection with a higher velocity. Not so he same with my centrefire. Does this only happen with subsonic speeds?🤯
I think its due to the lower bc.
The bullet isnt as stable as a high bc centerfire would be.
So the harder you push that projectile the less it takes to destabalize it.
My theory for right now anyways 🤣🤣
Seems like the Voodoo is not only overpriced but a little bit overestimated also. Marketing is matketing
ANSHUTZ 64 MPR from the stock would do the job better. Boys from CZ are pupils of ANSHUTZ
Hi Don. I have seen a lot of really good shooting vudoos, but seen them all fight issues as well.
My local gun store has a CZ-457 "Pro-varmint". Is this the same barrel and action as the Precision Trainer version. They also have a Christensen Arms Ranger 22. This would be my first bolt 22 but I would rather buy once and cry once?
The pro varmint will be a boyds stock and a 16.5" standard barrel.
The vpt is basically the same rifle but in a manners stock. The vpt mtr will be the same as the standard vpt but has a match chamber
Thank you for the advice. I think the Pro-varmint will be my best bet to get started. I am thinking I want to go with the mdt lss-rf chassis eventually anyways. Maybe at that point I can switch to a longer barrel.
@@justinpetrovich6389 honestly cant go wrong with the cz in any combo.
Wow.
What is the best factory setup in the $600 range?
457 or t1x
@@PursuitofAccuracy wow that was quick. New subscriber as of now. I’ve been meaning to ask but haven’t wanted to pester you.
@@sosalish441 no worries. If you got questions, ask. Thanks for watching
Your Running the wrong ammo in your Vudoo use Lapua or Sk yellow box and it will shine!
Ive used lapua in it and its been ok but not great. Just lot tested tenex in it so hopefully have some solid ammo coming soon
Barrel lengths?
20" on both i believe
Se ve la preferencia que tienes por el CZ. Creo queo no disparas correctamente con el Vudoo a proposito.
Wind flags..maybe would help more.
I have some now
What optics do you have in the two carbines? It is the athlon but which model and x thanks
The vudoo had the cronus btr gen 2 4.5-29 and the cz had the midas tac hd 5-25
@@PursuitofAccuracy I bought this Athlon Optics Argos BTR Gen2 8-34x56 and the bergara b14 trainer
@@Ilerdashooting awesome
Vudoo like Midas + more.
Some barrels with some lots of midas + yes.
I have a few boxes of a lot of midas +. All my guns hate it.
Such is life with rimfires
Sell that Vudoo and grab a Rim-X... Honestly seeing those groups are double the size from the ones I built
It hasnt been lot tested at all. It shot sub moa at 150 yards in the wind with random ammo tested for the cz. Dont think its time to sell it yet
Id be first to say after playing with a few Vudoo's and comparing... their Ravage chamber is garbage. Even with lot testing, their barrel fitment and chamberings are all over the place. I ceracasted 4 vudoo chambers and see deviation over 5 thousandths in chamber depths and they can't settle on one barrel manufacturer which causes performance differences between the models
@@EagleEyeShooting I hear ya Im just not financially ready to do something different, ie a rimx.
Any identical bullet travelling faster wont ever drift more in the wind than the same bullet travelling slower, you cant defy the laws of physics, the fast something travels the less time the wind has to affect it. The Vudoo had more horizontal due to the barrels dislike of the ammo, try a barrel tuner to get the barrel better tuned to the ammo.
Considering your statement, how do you explain ballistic calculators showing more wind deflection with increased velocity?
@@mikecook9805 they dont unless one bullet has a significantly worse BC than the other. If both bullets have a very similar weight and BC then increased velocity will always result in less wind drift, thats not my opinion thats the laws of physics.
Seems like an awful lot of money to pay for a firearm and then have to play with the mag. to make it feed. Is this a cronic problem or have they addressed it and came up with a fix. If i were the MFG that would not be just a tad bit embarrassing, but a huge burr under my saddle. Every channel i watch this is a hot topic.
I really don't see the advantage of spending $3000+ for the Vudoo over the CZ 457 MTR for $800.
For some there is no advantage, fpr others its worth it.
Cz the best
What happened to the Lapua you tested
I still have some of it.
The eley match i got was far better than the center x I had tested
@@PursuitofAccuracy Time to make road trip to Texas then
@@justinvandee9428 I have been just ordering lots from killough and testing myself. Worked great for the 457. Just need to save up for a case for the vudoo
@@PursuitofAccuracy I had a brick of Center X I fed to me CZ 457 LRP. With pretty good results. Then I let a friend use some of his cheapest .22LR money can buy, that he uses through a 40 year old Chinese CZ Bruno Model 2 cloned Norinco, and the accuracy has actually improved! Sometimes you can get lucky. "Geco Rifle .22LR 40gr 1083fps LRN Optimized for bolt-action rifles. Note: May not cycle in all semi-auto guns."
with my vudoo i get about 1/2 inch spindrift at 100 yards.
Wow thats a ton of spin drift at 100 yards
show the cost of each rifle.
Minus optics and accessories your looking at around 1500 vs 3000
Cz 457 Wins
I wouldn't buy a Vudoo V22 untill they supply a decent magazine.
I can definitely understand that
I would put my CZ 455 up against a vudoo any day.
What? I forget what I am doing here. Night josh. I don’t remember what happened here.
Haha. Good man
Wind drift
OR
SPIN DRIFT?
(Higher velocity, faster spin !)
I think its more sensitive to wind with the faster projectile but i need to test it more
The CZ is a more accurate gun than the VODO.
So sell the vudu and buy two more cz and trick them!
I like em all
20k worth of rifles and 150 yard shit!!! 🤣🤣🤣
Not even close to 20k in rifles lol.
@@PursuitofAccuracy In Australia hell yeah... what about with scopes....whats the real $ cost on both? (add currency)
@@gesheepistemology8050 its probably somewhere around 10k between the two rifles.
150 yards is where 90% of prs22 targets will be as well
Hey Josh
I have forgotten that result already . I know you shoot your CZ lights out , I expected the Vudoo to be more accurate than that at distance , the CZ is still my favourite they shoot fine at distance also from my experience with my 455 , great video thanks mate . Steve .
Thanks Steve, i appreciate ya
I find I watch your wind flags as much as your shots, the more I shoot, the more I am a student of reading wind, especially when you get in the 300 yard + range, awesome video Josh
Thanks brother. Wind calling is the hardest part for me
Great informative video ! Love the scope cam, target cam and ammo photo in addition to you shooting. I’m amazed how steady your holds are …. You are machine. After reading other’s comments, I think I need to add an inch or so to my butt length for more consistent / comfortable shoulder contact.
Haha i appreciate it.
I feel like a machine.....a broken down rusty neglected machine 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Great video. Yes the scope cam shots are really informative and show how steady Josh holds. I need to work on getting as steady as that or close to it.
Hey josh I got.43 with my Cz mtr at 100 yards with eley match. Love from Maryland ❤️❤️
Nice groups
I’ve been considering using BallisticX. Do you trust it to give good data? The Vudoo was sub MOA and the CZ was just sub MOA. It’s hard with the weather change, you’re cold, so you’re more tense. The jacket you’re wearing could change your Length of Pull. You need to check that. It went from summer to winter here in less than a week. I was so agitated that I haven’t shot for several days. I’m still adjusting my attitude so I can relax behind the gun again. Going from 90’s to the 40’s in a few days, it’s hard dude. I would be happy with either of those groups. Thanks awesome shooting.
The ballistic x is good if your reference is good.
I have compared it with my calipers and its pretty good.
I'm having the same problem with my gun. I think I need slower ammo
This makes me feel happy seeing the vudoo perform like that as my highly modded converted sbr 10/22 Kidd Volquartsen charger hybrid can achieve similar groups on occasion when everything is right with the cz at 150meters and dare I say at least on the selected best 5 shot group it’s better than the vudoo 😄. Just got lucky as that rig is more than ok with cci standard velocity.
Awesome
Cz wins again all day long!!!!!!
Beagleman
It's easy, the answer is CZ! LOL...
what stock is the vudoo in?
What length barrel is the cz
Is your CZ factory stock?
No it has a lilja barrel and a timney trigger
Doing an awesome job keep it up. Straight to the point and no excess rattling. Thank you for your hard work.
Thanks Richard I appreciate it
Nice jacket, what brand is it?
Crazy accuracy on the CZ! I always wonder how will the other CZ compare with each other for example CZ 457 American. Could you please share what items are you using to keep the rifle more stable? Thanks.
Atlas bipod and gamechanger rear bag
If I haven’t witnessed the shooting, I would not have believed it! A 22LR shooting out to and pass 150 yards in another video I watched.
The scope cam lets us see the slightly inconsistent recoil patterns too. Sometimes up and left, sometimes up and right, etc. It doesn't seem to have a significant effect on impacts?
Love the video mate but did you seriously cover up the beautiful timber stock on the cz? 😱
The magazine feed problems would really bother me with the vudoo. I have 2 CZ's and never a problem. Maybe 1 out of 50 magazines the last round will not feed easily needing to have the nose pushed down. I've seen a lot of discussion about magazine feed problems. As for the accuracy, that's most likely just a matter of finding what the rifle likes. I wouldn't worry too much about that but the magazine feed problems seem persistent.
The cz is much less finicky for sure. The vudoo has issues but they are easily worked out. I was careless when i loaded that mag.....but.....that would never be the case with the cz
Liked and shared! If you other folks reading this haven't done it yet! It's free and it helps! So what are yall waiting for?
Thanks brother