I think my largest error is being prideful, not believing that it is really that hard. I'm now humbled enough to admit that I can't figure it out on my own. These videos are giving me hope of improvement. I will take it step by step. Thanks for sharing your talents and hard work.
I've been trying to figure this out for years. The details that you are presenting are allowing me to understand the key minor details. I went back and looked at videos from top pros that I've been looking at for years. They all are saying essentially the same thing but without the details you are presenting. I could never quite get there looking at other instructional videos. Thanks so much! So hard to see these finer but critical details just by viewing - at least for me.
about the position of the disc during the backswing, there is a great video of paul mcbeth and simon lizotte introducing brodie smith to disc golf where paul explains that the disc should more or less remain stationary while we just walk around it during the x step. That seemed to help things click for me at least around that issue of where the disc should be at any point in the x step Thank you for sharing all these great videos with the community!!
Watching this video, and then trying to do the movements along with you, and watching repeatedly, seemed to bring to light to me the loading/uncorking of the hips element to the throw, at least more than previously...I finally felt like my hips are actually engaging. Still have lots of work to do, but thanks for helping unlock even a small part of the mystery for me!
Nice, you are going to want to do this motion whenever you’re chilling around the house, warming up for field work, etc. familiarity with a left handed swing is very foreign and takes reps to get it ingrained.
Went to the field and within 40 minutes of applying the first two tips, I got my putters and mid ranges out to 260+ on a pretty decent and fast line. Thank you
The last few minutes of this are really helpful - definitely have seen this error and I am sure I do it myself. Now if only I can get my body to know how to do it. Thanks for the tips.
The number of views here is just paltry! There should be a couple orders of magnitude more. This information is gold. I wish I had these videos 3 years ago.
@@loopghost hey, thank you. You've really perfected your teaching over the years and at this point seem to have nailed it down to a hard method. Good stuff. Cheers.
yep, the second half of the video nails the biggest issue I have right now. focusing too much on the transition and downswing has made me turn my shoulders too early in the backswing, so they fire early during the transition/shift instead of waiting for their proper time in the kinetic chain. the backswing is so important to get right, it sets everything up to be timed correctly, and mirrors the downswing. Anyway, I've been working on moving around the disc and hershyzer drills to fix shoulder timing, focusing on reaching peak shoulder turn at heel plant, feeling the coil build up and then release as the weight shifts
Another excellent video! Hoping these videos will fix my form, otherwise might need to bug you about some private lessons. Keep up the great work and breaking it down so well
I can't believe you only have 5k subs... you have consistently the best descriptions of form to help people put this stuff into practice. I wish I lived close enough to you to take lessons from you. A+ material. Thank you.. (PS - why did you move into a CLOSET where you have no room to move... looks like it's your music room and has no heat *doh*)
Haha, yeah it’s my office and I keep the guitar stuff out for easy noodling. With the whole family working out of the house, square footage where I can close the door is at limited. If I go outside, audio is tougher.
So is the ultimate difference between the motions at the end is your torso follows the left foot plant vs the torso and disc staying back over the rear foot?
Ive watched these 3 times each, so useful! My backhand is improved from watching these, and I've been playing for years. Thank you! Any idea the timing for week 3?
hey bro, love this video. I need a lot of help. I cant seem to put these videos into practice. I worked so hard this past summer and I still can't get past 250ft.
I know it’s not exciting, but the way forward is to do these exercises. Video review yourself every time. If you have to, put screenshots of my video of doing the exercises next to you and see what’s different. Daily work, at a slow pace. Good luck!
The backswing (ditch the term “reach back”) is not straight behind you, it’s back and out, so that when the disc comes forward it isn’t behind your chest. I have a video called “stop collapsing the frame”... worth a review.
@@loopghost Thanks, i've seem to have a problem that even when I'm going super slow not moving the disc at all after the xstep somehow I still manage to get my weight over my left knee instead of more centered, but I'm working on it. Should the left foot be opened up during the reach back or should the toes be pointing straight forward from your knee?
if you need to get your weight over your toes and get your butt way out, how do you throw an anhyzer? I always thought you had to lean back when throwing an anhyzer.
Roger and I had a long (1 1/2 hour I think) faceTime call over the weekend. We had to address some issues that were still holding him up. I'll try to get a 3rd video put together shortly to recap. Thanks for the motivation!
I can certainly see he has been studying your form advice. I also see four big holes in his form. Almost complete lack of use of the off arm after the release, which greatly hurts his ability to maintain balance on his plant foot, and removing the rotational energy created in the shot. Dragging the rear foot on the ground, which is what Scott Stokely suffered from for a long time 2+ decades ago. This is more of a lazy-off-leg thing, which combines with the lazy off arm (www.vorticasport.com/post/2017/08/23/classic-lazy-off-arm-issue) to make it almost impossible to maintain dynamic balance after the release. Thirdly, failing to extend his plant leg in the smash. This IS the brace. And the extra hip-turn it brings provides more late acceleration. It must be completed before the disc is ejected. Finally, his plant foot does not have enough lateral offset to his back foot. He is just gliding forwards, instead of stepping out left, so he can properly brace against the plant.
Your last point is a matter of opinion - not a "hole" of proper form. JohnE McCray is 49 years old and can still bomb it out there - he moves straight down the line. His X-step barely crosses behind the front foot. What you advocate can cause directional problems and make you throw a lot more shots offline. It may give slightly more power but you sacrifice accuracy. One thing in this gentleman's form that looks off to me is his disc is in a raised position in the reach-back, most advocate to start low and finish higher.
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I think my largest error is being prideful, not believing that it is really that hard. I'm now humbled enough to admit that I can't figure it out on my own. These videos are giving me hope of improvement. I will take it step by step. Thanks for sharing your talents and hard work.
Once again , the biomechanics are spot on... excellent!
Amazing video, added about 40 ft plus way more consistency from last weeks video. Can't wait to do the work from this video
I've been trying to figure this out for years. The details that you are presenting are allowing me to understand the key minor details. I went back and looked at videos from top pros that I've been looking at for years. They all are saying essentially the same thing but without the details you are presenting. I could never quite get there looking at other instructional videos. Thanks so much! So hard to see these finer but critical details just by viewing - at least for me.
about the position of the disc during the backswing, there is a great video of paul mcbeth and simon lizotte introducing brodie smith to disc golf where paul explains that the disc should more or less remain stationary while we just walk around it during the x step. That seemed to help things click for me at least around that issue of where the disc should be at any point in the x step
Thank you for sharing all these great videos with the community!!
Watching this video, and then trying to do the movements along with you, and watching repeatedly, seemed to bring to light to me the loading/uncorking of the hips element to the throw, at least more than previously...I finally felt like my hips are actually engaging. Still have lots of work to do, but thanks for helping unlock even a small part of the mystery for me!
Nice, you are going to want to do this motion whenever you’re chilling around the house, warming up for field work, etc. familiarity with a left handed swing is very foreign and takes reps to get it ingrained.
Again, more help than we deserve! The great part is that, this video is helping me where I'm stuck! I wanna be scrutinized next!🖐
Went to the field and within 40 minutes of applying the first two tips, I got my putters and mid ranges out to 260+ on a pretty decent and fast line. Thank you
This is awesome. So hard to describe this motion.
The last few minutes of this are really helpful - definitely have seen this error and I am sure I do it myself. Now if only I can get my body to know how to do it. Thanks for the tips.
Brilliant..... thank you!!!!
Thanks for this series it’s different from the norm and really helpful
Exactly! In depth accurate info and more advanced than the general form tips..
The number of views here is just paltry! There should be a couple orders of magnitude more. This information is gold. I wish I had these videos 3 years ago.
thanks so much for the kind words. I am happy when the lessons find people who enjoy them!
@@loopghost hey, thank you. You've really perfected your teaching over the years and at this point seem to have nailed it down to a hard method. Good stuff. Cheers.
yep, the second half of the video nails the biggest issue I have right now. focusing too much on the transition and downswing has made me turn my shoulders too early in the backswing, so they fire early during the transition/shift instead of waiting for their proper time in the kinetic chain. the backswing is so important to get right, it sets everything up to be timed correctly, and mirrors the downswing. Anyway, I've been working on moving around the disc and hershyzer drills to fix shoulder timing, focusing on reaching peak shoulder turn at heel plant, feeling the coil build up and then release as the weight shifts
anyway great video as always HUB!
These videos are gems! I love your teaching style loopghost!
Your videos are so great - this series especially. Can’t wait to get out to the field and work on this.
Thank you, this series will help me a lot
Another excellent video! Hoping these videos will fix my form, otherwise might need to bug you about some private lessons. Keep up the great work and breaking it down so well
I can't believe you only have 5k subs... you have consistently the best descriptions of form to help people put this stuff into practice. I wish I lived close enough to you to take lessons from you. A+ material. Thank you.. (PS - why did you move into a CLOSET where you have no room to move... looks like it's your music room and has no heat *doh*)
He's low-key and humble, I saw Jason's old videos and was so bummed he wasn't doing them...I kept at it and here he is, at it again!
Haha, yeah it’s my office and I keep the guitar stuff out for easy noodling. With the whole family working out of the house, square footage where I can close the door is at limited. If I go outside, audio is tougher.
So is the ultimate difference between the motions at the end is your torso follows the left foot plant vs the torso and disc staying back over the rear foot?
Ive watched these 3 times each, so useful! My backhand is improved from watching these, and I've been playing for years. Thank you! Any idea the timing for week 3?
Have a few things going on at the moment, but keep your eyes peeled.
hey bro, love this video. I need a lot of help. I cant seem to put these videos into practice. I worked so hard this past summer and I still can't get past 250ft.
I know it’s not exciting, but the way forward is to do these exercises. Video review yourself every time. If you have to, put screenshots of my video of doing the exercises next to you and see what’s different. Daily work, at a slow pace. Good luck!
in the backswing should I reach straight back?
The backswing (ditch the term “reach back”) is not straight behind you, it’s back and out, so that when the disc comes forward it isn’t behind your chest. I have a video called “stop collapsing the frame”... worth a review.
@@loopghost Thanks, i've seem to have a problem that even when I'm going super slow not moving the disc at all after the xstep somehow I still manage to get my weight over my left knee instead of more centered, but I'm working on it. Should the left foot be opened up during the reach back or should the toes be pointing straight forward from your knee?
@@Rydal1 left foot is pointing back a bit, no more than 45 degrees.
if you need to get your weight over your toes and get your butt way out, how do you throw an anhyzer? I always thought you had to lean back when throwing an anhyzer.
We're not up to the anhyzer yet... week 2 is still geared toward flat and hyzer. We'll get there.
week 3, when ?
Roger and I had a long (1 1/2 hour I think) faceTime call over the weekend. We had to address some issues that were still holding him up. I'll try to get a 3rd video put together shortly to recap. Thanks for the motivation!
Great stuff, but plz dont wear a jacked.
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I can certainly see he has been studying your form advice.
I also see four big holes in his form. Almost complete lack of use of the off arm after the release, which greatly hurts his ability to maintain balance on his plant foot, and removing the rotational energy created in the shot. Dragging the rear foot on the ground, which is what Scott Stokely suffered from for a long time 2+ decades ago. This is more of a lazy-off-leg thing, which combines with the lazy off arm (www.vorticasport.com/post/2017/08/23/classic-lazy-off-arm-issue) to make it almost impossible to maintain dynamic balance after the release.
Thirdly, failing to extend his plant leg in the smash. This IS the brace. And the extra hip-turn it brings provides more late acceleration. It must be completed before the disc is ejected.
Finally, his plant foot does not have enough lateral offset to his back foot. He is just gliding forwards, instead of stepping out left, so he can properly brace against the plant.
Your last point is a matter of opinion - not a "hole" of proper form. JohnE McCray is 49 years old and can still bomb it out there - he moves straight down the line. His X-step barely crosses behind the front foot. What you advocate can cause directional problems and make you throw a lot more shots offline. It may give slightly more power but you sacrifice accuracy. One thing in this gentleman's form that looks off to me is his disc is in a raised position in the reach-back, most advocate to start low and finish higher.