Kirsten Han is very well-spoken and most likely well-intended. However, we would LOVE for her to spend AS MUCH TIME with the victims of crimes (families of murder victims and those affected by drug abuse) as she did with the families of convicted and executed criminals. Her empathy may be considered misplaced unless she does so.
A man was sent to death for 1kg of weed recently, tell me how does weed affect an individual more than alchohol or smoking cigs ? Both of which can be legally bought. Maybe its time to reform the system.
@Matthew Neddeau We are barbarians. We need harsh rules. Try sleeping in the park with money in your bag. See if you can wake up next morning with your money intact.
Lol, the irony is people like can do a similar presentation if you think this is a real issue, but instead most just chose to nag in the youtube comment section and question y the presenter didn't give a talk that agreed with their perspective.
The Singapore law clearly states its clear zero tolerance for drug trafficking. If one is not ready to face the consequences then you should have never done it in the first place
Yes, there should be sympathy for these families and maybe even more support for them to deal with it. but, it should be remembered that a signal of deterrence should be sent. Yes, she described a morbid picture of prison, and that is exactly what is meant to be - remember Kho Jabing? Yeah, he smashed someone's skull till he died from 14 fractures. These prisoners have to be punished and locked up for the sake of the wider good and to punish the individual. and in extreme cases, put to death as the crime is just too grave.
I have a Hungarian friend in Singapore who asked me how many years of jail she needs to serve if she kills her Singaporean husband (she had a contemplating expression), and I warned her it’s death penalty, and she changed her mind after that Kirsten, the law probably saved a guy’s life, and you’re telling people otherwise? What are you fighting for? More crimes?
The death penalty is serving its purpose. It serves to deter potential criminals, it makes those indecisive ones think twice before they attempting or plotting murder to take away others' lives....
Countless studies have shown that you are wrong! It is NOT a deterrent. Why could the crime rates in the US not be way lower than those in the rest of the western world (where it has been abolished for decades)?
@@UrskogTrolle Yeah, USA is so safe that people need to own guns to keep out criminals. How many people are honest with their answers in survey? Without death sentence, would it take much to choose slogging whole life for peanuts versus robbing a bank, kidnapping, or smuggling drugs for millions? If caught, at most whole life in prison where one could actually work towards getting a degree etc. Oh, no need to worry about food, shelter and healthcare needs.
I have a friend who was murdered by a paroled twice murderer, and she was the 3rd victim. Why don't Kristen Han spend some time with THIS family and find out what they feel about it?
I am not here to share opinions, because it's not my place. It is a very simple fact. If you're in Singapore and you commit the crime of murder or drug trafficking, expect to pay the penalty. Is it harsh, yes it is, but so is murder.
My mother drummed all these scary scenarios if i were to be caught doing bad things to others. Till today, i will try not to harm others because I know the horrors of death penalty.
Soooo well said sir. Why use basic emotional manipulation lah? Trust me when this girls sister or mum or brother or dad is addicted to drugs and ends up overdosing she'll think twice about letting these drug traffickers go
You talk about collective safety so much, and yet aren't aware of the well known statistic that the death penalty has had 0 effect, it hasn't been an effective deterrent to any crime let alone drugs. So tell me now, who's basing it off of emotion, are we killing people to fulfill the emotion of rage, sadness and anger?
@@mingyuhuang8944 I've lost plenty to drugs and yet here I am knowing that these guys are mules from low economic situation, mentally handicapped or in a vulnerable situation.
Social Justice preys on emotions rather than the fact that the crimes done by those that were condemned. Being poor and a minority does not mean you are automatically condemned to the death penalty. Committing a crime, one that is covered with capital punishment, earns you the death penalty.
Let's take this step by step. Being poor and minority often (not always, I'll give you that much) means you have no chances in life. Nobody will hire you, either due to race or because they know your from a neighbourhood filled with crime and will assume you're a criminal. People won't sell you products for the same reason. Eventually, you have no choice. steel your food, steel money you need to buy food, sell drugs, join gangs etc. Just so that you won't starve to death. Eventually, that life of crime, that you had to do to survive, leads to somebody's death. And then you are given a death sentence for that. No, being poor and a minority doesn't mean you are automatically condemned to the death penalty directly, but a lot of them can only work within the choices they are given.
@@UrskogTrolle Poverty doesn't cause crime. Lack of morals do. Saying that poverty is the leading factor is nonsense, considering that most poor people don't commit crimes. It's an insult.
@@perrellcooper2422 Looking at people on the brink of starvation that decide that the lives of their families is more important than the riches of someone who has more than enough and calling that "lack of morals", that is an insult. It's true that most people don't commit crimes, but most people aren't starving. When you have to make the choice between "morals" and your own life, then we'll talk about what's "moral".
@@UrskogTrolle Most people in the western world aren't "starving." This isn't Africa or Venezuela. They have access to the resources they need (ie. foodbanks, churches etc.). It's mostly because of morals, because poor people who have morals don't even consider crime as an option. This was confirmed by a study btw. Poverty is NO excuse for a crime.
Even in the U.S we need to talk about this more also, but it does need to be for the truly deserving, the rapists and murders, those who harm children, and abuse women especially. But small offenses, drug offenses where no one was harmed, need rehabilitation, not the death penalty, and as a recreational cannabis user, that’s hardly a crime.
Guys relax. She's not trying to take a stand about the death penalty - she's just documenting the stories of what goes on at the end of the lives of death row inmates, and shedding light on the process for the public to understand, because we often focus on the victim's side of the story but there's hardly any attention given to the criminal's perspective. It's like that old movie Dead Man Walking.
She used the example of the family of a murderer, and the pain the family is going through, but ignoring that the actions of the murder led to this. It's hard to feel too much sympathy for the family choosing the last clothes the murder will be photographed in, when the family of the person they murdered did not get this luxury. There are probably more substantial topics to cover in opposition to the death penalty or what social situations lead to crime, or the direct POV of someone who was related to a murderer reflecting on their own experiences, but she just focused on sympathy for the family going through this, when if the guy never murdered anyone they would not be, and that kinda undermines her talk. (I stopped watching around half way through, so if she addressed this at the end I did not see it for clarification.)
even with the death penalty for drug trafficking , there are still drugs like heroina and meth in singapore. if the death penalty were abolished , then the amount of drugs will increase would not it ?
This guy attacked the victim with the intention of robbing him. He bludgeoned the victim so hard that his accomplice saw the victim's head cracked. His victim was later found to have suffered 14 skull fractures and died 6 days later. Think of the pain that the family's loved ones have to go through. Do they have the luxury of receiving a birthday card from him ?? I would suggest the presenter of the video spend some time with the family of the victim. I would also suggest that the presenter do a similar story on Osama bin Laden. Tell the world that it is wrong to kill him.
captain teamtitans I understand what you’re saying Captain but Killing someone should not be the right of the government. I understand the damage drugs do to people but killing people and people voluntarily taking and buying drugs is not the same. Comparing this man to Bin laden is just incorrect. Hundreds of studies have proven that the death penalty doesn’t deter crime so killing people is clearly unnecessary and also is more expensive than keeping someone in prison for life.
@@saluttoutlemonde2262 Heavy crimes are rare. Small crimes, theft, cheating, scamming ... not. But the most important thing is: Your wife can walk around here with her friends, anywhere, any time ... you do not have to be worried. You can stay home and she will come back in one piece. That is freedom.
I wonder how to collect data of (for example) number of drug users or addicts in a country that punishes people, whom have drugs in their system, with a jail sentence. Even if they're not in possession of any illegal drugs.
I live in Japan, a very very safe country with the death penalty. But I will be the first one to admit that the death penalty is not the reason why Japan is safe. The death penalty is mainly about retribution and vengeance. Criminals who commit senseless crimes lose their right to live. That is the Japanese idea behind the death penalty and most Asians would agree with it. Do I agree? Not sure. But in general low crime is not connected to the severity of the punishment.
Every country is different so no point of saying oh in Japan or oh in Norway etc. I like the idea of death penalty. I also don't mind the idea of vengeance done in right dose. It may not be true in Japan but heavy penalties in Singapore keeps it safer. That's how i felt.
I agree with you. It is very important how you dose punishment. But primarily a society is safer if people do not feel cheated. However, Japan has increased dramatically penalty on drunk driving. I can say for myself that I am very careful now with alcohol. So yes, it works to some extent to have strict punishment especially on things that people do not take seriously like drunk driving--- crimes that people view as victim-less and therefore commit irrespective of what I said before.
Singapore is multi racial and multi religious, at one point in the past, the Malays like to attack and kill the Chinese here. Japan is quite an uniform country with uniform culture. It is not easy to maintain stability in Singapore.
hard to argue against that. If I recall correctly, this is one reason why it was abolished in my country of origin, Canada. Canadians were not opposed to it on moral grounds but many disliked the idea of an innocent man being executed very much.
Why not? The worst outcome is DEATH. A single murder is death. Multiple murder is death. Does that mean its unfair? Upper-limits do not matter on this. Also, as Lee Kuan Yew has stated, drug traffickers WILLINGLY take the risk, knowing the death penalty exists in Singapore, and are fine with ruining thousands of people's lives with drug addiction, who in turn ruin thousands of families. This is a conservative viewpoint of a conservative nation. Nothing wrong with that.
@@teerificbitch Drugs do not necessarily lead to addiction, but regardless is that the responsibility and freedom of individuals, not of the government. Should people selling fast food be killed, or people letting people ride horses (which can also be a deadly sport)?
@@rexisnox577 There are less drug-related crimes after implementation of death penalty, therefore it works. The small number of people getting hanged still think the known risks (Death) outweighs the benefits, therefore it still happens.
It's not a secret that if you kill or traffic drugs you will get killed. No one hides that from you. If you still want to go that route, you better be prepared to accept your fate. This Singaporean speaker is so misguided
so what is she advocating? how about those who lost their love ones to murderers? do family members even have the chance to touch the fingers of the murdered?
People seem to forget that justice is blind. After all, savagery and destruction were inflicted without regard on the victim by the perpetrator in the first place.
With every mistake comes a consequence. With every crime, comes punishment. If you actually dont want yr loved ones to suffer n for you to lose your lives, why commit crime in the first place? Giving one a second chance doesnt mean one will not commit the same crimes again, they could and some just never learn and by giving them a second chance puts many in danger of being murdered/harmed.
The death penalty is a reflection of the society that allows it. A more enlightened society would go beyond vengeance and retribution. The death penalty doesn't discourage serious crime, it's a system that erodes the humanity of all involved.
I found that people that do not support death penalty, lack sympathy for criminal's victims. Instead, these people see the criminal as the victim. If you have sympathy for the criminal's families. Why you do not have sympathy for the victim's families ? These people, who oppose death penalty, are just hypocrites. The research in USA about death penalty is flaw. If you look at the FBI files documentaries, you will heard these words very frequently - "The murder suspect is an ex-convict, who have histories of violent". If these violent criminals are given the death penalty instead of parole. The number of murder victims would have reduce significantly in USA. Many innocent people do not have to die.
what about the victims family, who is there to support them?? if your love one was murdered, will you say the same thing.. if you don't commit crime, what is there to worry about..
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tbh I envy Singapore for having death penalty unless it is not used to wrong people(who didn't commit crime). It makes whole society so safe, protecting huge numbers of potential victims. I can't give my empathy to criminals, even their family.
I mean it’s nice to speak on behalf of these inmates who are sitting at the dock waiting for the names to be added to death row .. but the point it’s after much trials and jurisdiction and hearing and assessing the crimes and it’s gravity .. these inmates are sentenced.. those who were accused had a prior knowledge that drug trafficking or killing another human or any capital crimes are going to end in the rope .. so why do we say no to capital punishment.. won’t it make those on the edge to be easier to offend ??
@Lady Bug some politicians have climbed the latter some are aristocrats. I don't know what's going on in Singapore. That's besides the point. Everyday struggles is not an excuse to commit crimes. If a politician commits a crime the should be punished.
@@timothywait9457 why should Singaporean stop using it? They already experience the execution of the death penalty law and since they keep using it prob they think its fit and suitable. Remember Singapore is sovereign country not Britain colonies anymore, don't need to follow every white master step if its not beneficial to Singapore society
@@xiaomose7495well many studies have shown capital offence lack of effectiveness in deterring crime. Also the irreversible nature of the punishment means that it cannot be undone in the event of a mistake or new evidence coming to light.
I'm interested to know what her ulterior motive is. Who is paying her to raise awareness on the death penalty? And why is she always only talking about the death penalty for drug traffickers and not murderers?
Before anyone claims that the death penalty is a prerequisite for a "safe country", Singapore isn't even ranked as the safest country in the world. In fact, the safest countries don't contain the death penalty: e.g. Denmark, Switzerland, Canada, New Zealand, etc etc.
+Joseph yeah I have to agree that this talk is pretty uninspiring. I would have hoped that she talked less about the emotional aspect of the consequences of the death penalty.
+matthew Yes Singapore can be one of the safest but not the de facto. Primarily, my point is that, countries that can be as safe, or even more safe, than Singapore (as seen in the lists of countries in your given link) can not have the death penalty. So the death penalty isn't a determining factor for safety.
I agree some of the safest countries in the world don't even need death penalty. But you also need to consider other factors like size of the nation, the countries we are surrounded by, our history, our government etc. I'm sure you know exactly how tiny we are. 10k people with drugs in New Zealand don't seem much. Imagine that in Singapore. Any more lenient and we are capable of destroying our economy, society very quickly. Look at our neighbours, Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, Philippines... high crime rates, bad economy, corrupted government... and our history with opium, too. That period was one of the turning points in our history. Even if they didn't implement death penalty in the beginning, if we abolish it now, what would happen? This tiny island is a prosperous shipping port for drugs, human trafficking, crimes, gun trafficking. People tend to forget how vulnerable we actually are, despite being very competitively strong in economy, wealth etc. And also, I last checked the 2017 list and yeah we are the safest. Also strictest. Also one of the richest. List goes on.
Instead of keep talking about the Death Penalty in Singapore law, why don't you work harder, think of ways to help these families not to commit crimes? The law has been there for years! Another word, they know it well that the conseqences is hang to death if they did it, but still, they choose to do it, regardless of whatever reason. They are the one who choose to hurt their family, that is nothing to do with the law. Without this strict law, there are going to hurt countless innocent people in Singapore !!! People who never experience staying with those people, you will never able to understand how they behave,when they are out of control. Therefore, we Singaporean love our Home Land !! We Support fully to keep our strict law of Death Penalty !!!
why she talking nonsense? "imagine what size of final clothes to buy, how would u feel etc. etc." lol? she doesn't feel that her content itself is very shallow and underwhelming ah
During the period leading to the execution of the death sentence, it allow the convicts to do self reflection, to confess their sin, as well as to mentally say sorry to their victims. Their victims deserve to live n have justice too. Who hear them when their victims' lives were suddenly taken away ?
For me, death penalty cannot be disputed if the convict had committed murder. If one could intentionally take the life of another, that person does not deserve to be allowed to keep his/her life
The victims of these drug smugglers are far more than those put to death by this death Penalty. And the victims are not just the person who consume the drugs. They include their family, children, relatives, friends, colleagues torn apart by the drug abusers. I pity the victims of drugs but not those drug smugglers put to death by the death penalty. We didnt force you to smuggle drugs. We put the death penalty up loud n clear. You want to push your luck. So cry when u are caught. We are transparent in our determination to stop drugs at all cost. You the drug smugglers are determined to destroy other lives at all cost. You do your job, we do ours too! We do not need to back down from any outside interference or pressure. We stood our ground to protect our people!
We can may be never understand why the accussed drug smuggler smuggled the drug into your country. Or why he murdered the victim. To understand that we have to live life from his perspective from his experience from his enviornment. He was not born murderer or smuggler. Something would have happened in his life which converted him into it. Now should be punish them? I understand the victim perspective but also try to understand the accussed perspective. You will understand that both of them are correct.
Are these people, sentenced to death innocent or criminal? Do they not know the things they do were of consequences? Second chance? Singapore is no FAIRY LAND. This is reality !
i did'nt say 100% not innocent.ok lets said i put drugs inside your beg then suddenly you being arrest by the police and said whose this belong to you said you dont know then you being sentenced so are you telling me you are guilty?you mention reality on your first comment right?i'm telling you reality right now human nature we never knows..like you said is not fairyland in that case even LOVE also can be fantasy not reality..My friend dont talk to me about reality with i see more deeper reality since i was 8 ok human nature no matter what you did good or bad to me people are people..thats it no question about it..
1. Think of the criminal victim, esp drug trafficking. All the downstream drug users 2. I am against life sentence. Me as a taxpayer, I do not want to waste my tax on these death inmates.
pabide I dun think u need much taxes to kill these criminal. A noose that can be re-used multiple times. I can provide. No need the opposition taxes to get rid of the leech of society
@@Peter22097 What about paying everybody involved? Are they all gonna be volunteers? Should we allow the condemned any appeals to try and make sure we're not killing the wrong person? Should the court case be treated like any other and not have more money invested in them to make sure that the wrong people aren't executed?
Also, that very mindset that you would be willing to take their lives, is precisely why you should be the last person to do so! An executioner should not rejoice in their work.
pabide I dun celebrate their death. I just approved the existence of death sentence. With all the right legal procedures and appeal out of way(not under my control), I would want the right person who dun deserve to be human to go.
If there was no death penalty the lives that were lost in the murders would no longer have value. The truth is when it comes to murder the death penalty is the closest thing that can bring justice. I understand why people may be against it but I don't think we can only look at this issue from an emotional point of view.
I am against it because if there is someone who is innocent and they are executed then that life is lost forever. Of course the chance is quite low but every life counts.
Actually, I find the proponents of the death penalty to be the more emotional ones. They talk about how bad it would feel to loose someone and how good it feels when the violence continues but we opponents want to take a step back and look at the evidence. Some people are innocent. Some people are guilty but had no choice. Some people are guilty but had very tough lives and were never given a chance and were in a way sentenced to execution the minute they were born.
Well if you had a loved on put on death row will you be all ok with other people wanting to kill you're loved one because they are emotional. You're not thinking deep enough about this issue.
Before we judge these death-row inmates and claim that it's fair game since they probably knew about the consequences when they committed the crime, we can NEVER be sure about the motivations behind committing the crime. Sometimes, they don't 'choose' to commit the crime because circumstances force them into it. Sure, you could say that there are alternative routes and that they probably chose the easiest one. But how else would you know of the other options if you were drowning in desperation and how could you possibly think logically then? It is easy to say that they deserved it. But we must also recall that as time passes, crimes that would have gotten you executed in the past (be it the medieval justice system or the Chinese Imperial system) now no longer warrant that sentence. That is why we need dialogue to revise our outdated penal system and reconsider the relevance of the death penalty with regards to SOME crimes. Ultimately, however, I still believe there is a place for the death penalty in Singapore but it should be a very limited and reserved one.
Thank you, Kirsten, for telling us what the families experience when their loved ones are sentenced, jailed and eventually hanged. Thank you for putting aside the issue of guilt, and personalising and naming some of the men who are sentenced to death. You make an important point in stating that studies fail to prove that the death penalty deters serious crime, which leads us to wonder if the public desire for retribution is what silences the debate. Thanks for encouraging this conversation.
So when someone commits a serious crime like distributing drugs or murder we are suppose to lock them up and feed them for life????? All you talk about is what the family of the offender is going through and not the victims family. Are the victims family suppose to just accept the fact that the their loves one are gone now and the very person that caused this is now sitting comfortably in a cell being fed meals everyday. They have broken laws with clear consequences that has been implemented for a long time. And so what if he or she regretted their actions the damage has been dealt now you face the punishment
Such a thinking will ultimately destroy a community. I absolutely agree that I would like to see the murder of a family member dead. But that's exactly the reason it's not up to the victims family to decide. Since then we would have a system of feud were families will kill and harm each other out of rage an vengeance. That cannot be the goal of a civil society. In my opinion the victim should play no role in a crime. Only the crime itself, the motivation of the offender and the likelihood of it to happen again. So let's do an example: Case 1: We have a planed and brutally executed murder of a man who was father of three children and married. Motivation: Revenge. The victim abused the child of the offender. Will it happen again? Most likely no. Case 2: We have a victim (single male with lots of DUIs) shot in the head in open street. Motivation: Rage. The victim killed the child of the offender in a car accident while being drunk. He victim has been released after 5 years in prison and just happen to cross path with the offender. Will it happen again? Most likely no. Should both offenders get the death penalty. If not what is the appropriate punishment in both cases?
Why you? You say it, like it would influence you. You don't now much about money and the system, I guess. Also, death penalty don't influence you. Or when it not exists also. Nothing would change for YOU. You only want to believe this to hold on your ideas and sense of the world.
@@wcstevens7 It's not a deterrent. Do countries with the death penalty have lower crime rates than countries without? Do states with it have lower crime rates than states without it? No! Studies have shown that the death penalty is not a deterrent. And because of the appeals and court cases there is a lot more tax money going into killing than keeping them locked up for life. And speaking of tax money, if someone abhors the death penalty and want nothing to do with it, should they still be forced to give their hard earned tax money to keep it?
When i watch and read crime of death row inmate, I think of those who are arrested by not sentece to death. Why do they get to live and continue to make a life, regardless of how small when the people they snuff out never get to live. To witness new things.
Death penalty for cannabis is absolutely insane. Completely disproportionate to the harm caused by the trafficker. Cannabis is no more harmful than cigarettes or alcohol. In fact, alcohol is worse.
Hey speaker, what if someone kills your whole family and walks away free. Sure you probably can forgive him. But if the same happens to me, i want justice! People are going to commit serious crime knowing that they can be pardoned. For a person to kill some one else intentionally, is not easy to change compared to one committing petty crimes.
@@sorin_ea6 Yeah but sadly most of the people executed are not the preparator just look at Kim Jong Nam's case for ex. Those indonesians end up in the gallows whereas the north koreans flee
@@pena1950 Any country in South East Asia could not afford war repercussions if they sentenced the North Koreans. An attack from the North Korean regime is much more severe than a racial riot and massacre combined. Millions of lives in South East Asia will be wiped out in few days.
I agree with you completely. If Singaporean judicial executions are shrouded in secrecy, then definitely there is deliberate impediment to system transparency and questionable motive of the government. If research is inadequate on the matter, then how did the government generate a consensus of 70% of its people in its favour. It is possible that the government decision is based more on seeking political mileage of a few leaders chasing powe, based on their people rather than on a noble intention, not to speak that the consensus is largely from people who don't understand the implication of capital punishment, or merely based on poor and manipulated or tampered national data.
So the families of the condemned deserve to be punished for a crime their family member committed? The victim obviously deserves our sympathy and even if you have no sympathy for the condemned, surely you must feel something for the people about to loose someone they love?
@@UrskogTrolle I don't think Qawserftgyuh R don't care about the culprit. Rather, the priority should go to the victims instead. Certainly the families of the condemned don't deserve such negative experience in their lives. However, if only the culprit chose to walk away from drug/murder/whatever offence related to capital punishment, they would not be suffering like mentioned. Personally, it is pitiful to have a family member sitting in the death row awaiting the inevitable.
Nobody's saying that the victim's families should be ignored. But instead of retribution and hope they will feel better when the violence continues, the money used to kill should be used to counsel and help these families.
@@HassanHabib2 Well what about not bringing weed to Singapore ? It's not that hard. Death penalty plays a huge role in persuasion, if you look at Singapore compared to Western countries you can clearly see the difference. Even tough i think death penalty may be a bit to much, and you could have a 25 to 30 + year sentence and still get the same persuasion effect, we all have to see that it's working.
"An eye for an eye only makes the world go blind " Gandhi .It still suprises me that Singapore as one of the most forward thinking and most powerful asian countries still has the death penalty !!
Sadly, the world is vast with many kind of people sure their is people that willing to risk just for revenge but not all people dare risk all they have. So world will never blind, cause not all people in the world is moron
it is exactly such forward thinking that they have the capitol punishment to deter potential problem, we are living in a very dynamic enviroment, take a lesson from those so called free world, i don't need that.
@@BeachBoi1000 How is it obvious? Because she didn't talk about them? Sometimes, when you talk about a topic, you can focus on something other than what EVERYBODY focuses on.
Death penalty for murder should continue. Life imprisonment for drug. Also how about offences such as dangerous driving causing death? Why is it only jail time?
I think what is key here is if we as a society is choosing to implement the system of the death penalty, we need to know what it is about and the consequences it has on not just the perpetrator of the crime, but also the family of the criminal and the victim. How can we support the people who are innocent? It simply does not hold water if we are choosing to implement death sentence, but we don't know what it is all about. I appreciate Kirsten Han's sharing of the current state of Singapore's death penalty system. It gave us all something to reflect about.
No matter how heinous the crime, no one deserves the death penalty. Yes, remove him from society and keep him incarcerated for life if need be so that he can do no more harm...but to remove him from the surface of the earth and play God? come on..
And even then, people would still complain or argue about life sentence, that its too harsh or whatever. You won't be able to please everyone, even if its life sentence / death penalty.
you aren't a victim if you take drugs lol. How how will there be supply if there is no demand, we need to tackle the root of the issue. People who take drugs and those who traffic drugs deserve the same punishment.
I don't care whether Singapore is deemed a barbaric country in the eyes of others, or whether the death penalty is only about retribution/revenge. We basically need an arsenal of penalties in dealing with a myriad of crimes, the highest being capital punishment - which is reserved for only a few explicit crimes. Drugs may not seem to be as bad as murder, but the damage that it can potentially do to any society on the whole is far more pervasive and undermining instead. Otherwise, and down the list, you have life imprisonment and long term imprisonment for less heinous or less socially harmful crimes. There are many low income families in Singapore, but most choose to live honestly and uprightly despite tough circumstances, or resort to committing petty crimes instead. I disagreed with any of the factors cited by the speaker (which insinuated that we are a cruel, unfeeling lot of people) in her attempt to win emotional votes for the abolishment of capital punishment. Ultimately, it's the individual's poor choice that the blame falls squarely on. Period. I only wonder whether there is a less painful way of execution if hanging is not the best way to go about it. The issue, for me, is not about the taking away of a life for a serious crime, but doing it in the most humane way possible so that an unnecessarily painful death could be circumvented.
While I was studying in Singapore, there were police invited as guest speakers at our school talking about the consequences of drugs being the death penalty. One student asks, "What if that person turns out to be innocent and wasn't trafficking any drugs?" The police snapped back, "Everyone trialed to be hang is guilty." I left the country after that semester.
Death penalty is imposed on those who physically carry certain amounts of drugs. The stuff has to be there, with them. These are most cases, and most of these Malays. The other cases are murder. If there is the slightest doubt, there will be no execution. Murder is comparably very low in Singapore. They did not even come into a situation of not being able to get someone who was then not the murder. The third and last case are firearm related crimes. There was no such case since many years. Because there are no firearms, there are literally no such crimes here. I am not pro-death penalty. However, it is true what the policeman said to you.
They choose to bring does drugs knowing that drug trafficking equals to death penalty in Singapore. And yet, they still did it. Many others are in Low income families but they didn’t do it They gave up their families when they did the trafficking.
@Kirsten Han... thank you for your experience, and those 6 years with the families of those that been hanged... I hope you could put some effort with families of those drug addicts, their friends and their sufferings... then you will understand why I 100% agreed with HANGING..
Addicted people will find their drugs no matter what. It is not the fault of the seller, rather a hard childhood or/and low dopamine receptors in the brain. Why isn't there penalty for alcohol use and sale then? It is proven that alcohol is more addictive and more socially dangerous than Cannabis. So your argument doesn't make any sense.
I believe that my country (Singapore) Death penalty should only be given to a person who take the life of another person on purpose and not for any other offences.
The sentence u said has an logic but you do understand that drug dealer destroy family maybe u can't feel it yet but when it happen to you or your family, it will destroy the child life when he gets older... Drug addiction got caught just go in holiday (JAIL) but durg dealer they MUST DIE IN ALL KIND OF WAYS!!! :D
Punishment need to fit the crime. The punishment a country hands out to offender should be solely base on retribution. The drug dealer should be punish appropriately for selling drugs and he should not bear the burden of someone else suffering or misfortune unless he force onto the buyer to buy.
Zhixuan Jeremy and if someone slips drugs in your bag? What then? Do you realize how dangerous such a policy is? And why is McDonalds allowed? You don’t think that food is filled with drugs that cause health problems? The obesity epidemic in the US is SPREADING and yet no govt seems to care..
death penalty is a strong deterrence to drug crimes for sure. what other punishment would be strong enough to deter drugs related crime? A lack of evidence in the US simply means that the link is not yet understood. But in Singapore, it has been part of the total package to fight drugs related crime, and it has been working.
And you do realize that those were hanged are not the preparators are the mules these ppl often don't know what they are doing. The rich escapes execution the poor will suffer.
I agree with our law in Death Penalty. It suppose to deter us from committing a capital crime. As a human if we don't draw a line when committing a crime, then how can we admit it to ourselves what we are doing is absolutely wrong. We need to set rules for our own self that if we are caught by the law we will be punished. Not all crimes is "Death Penalty" in Spore. If we do allow Capital punishment to be on life term sentence, there will a sudden surge of crimes. Didn't we realised that Death Penalty is imposed only when another person's life is in danger that can result in fatality. It will result in overcrowding of prison and in consequence it will result in more prisons have to built just to compensate prisoners as we can see for ourselves happening in other parts of the world.
Do u really think the death penalty is supposed to be sweet beautiful. Do u expect a red carpet 5-stars treatment ? Do the victims of drugs get sweet beautiful red carpet 5 stars suffering? Does the family of drug victims get a nice beautiful sweet experience? Come on. No penalty is supposed to be sweet n beautiful. I dont need to know what goes on in a death penalty. U want to push drugs, be prepared to face the consequences. Drug pushers has a choice. U make the choice. U face the consequences attached to each choices u make.
Victims, families and Friend had no crime but yet they had to suffer, a Mother watch her child went out and never get to see her child again. Victimise murderer is not going to save anyone. If you really want to save people, save them before they become a victim or save them before they become a murderer.
Dear Kristen Han, Have you had your loved one lost because of murder? Or over dosing on drugs? When your loved one has been murdered, then you have the right to make this speech.
Dear Andrew P Have you had your loved one lost because of the death penalty? When your loved one has been executed by the state, then you have the right to make this comment.
pabide Obviously you’re a relatively dense individual... a comment weigh against a 10 minute speech. I’ve lost a loved one to drug overdose... have you lost anything other than your intelligence?
@@danielcurrie7553 When you start your argument with a personal attack, I'm just not gonna bother reading the rest because if you have any decent arguments, you're not gonna need to do those attacks. Try again later when you have arguments strong enough to not need them.
@@DC-kq9gz I read as far as dense, then I replied that I'm not reading the rest. Did it bother me that this person hurled insults when he (I'm assuming male based on the name) didn't have any more arguments? Sure. If you don't have any arguments, don't say anything. Insulting the person you're arguing against only means you already lost.
Kirsten Han is very well-spoken and most likely well-intended.
However, we would LOVE for her to spend AS MUCH TIME with the victims of crimes (families of murder victims and those affected by drug abuse) as she did with the families of convicted and executed criminals. Her empathy may be considered misplaced unless she does so.
A man was sent to death for 1kg of weed recently, tell me how does weed affect an individual more than alchohol or smoking cigs ? Both of which can be legally bought. Maybe its time to reform the system.
Where is the ted talk on behalf of the victims of these criminal?!
@Matthew Neddeau
We are barbarians. We need harsh rules. Try sleeping in the park with money in your bag. See if you can wake up next morning with your money intact.
@Matthew Neddeau Singapore is way safer for the law abiding citizen than your country for sure.
Yesss!!!!
Aren't most all of these "criminals" low level drug mules?
Lol, the irony is people like can do a similar presentation if you think this is a real issue, but instead most just chose to nag in the youtube comment section and question y the presenter didn't give a talk that agreed with their perspective.
The Singapore law clearly states its clear zero tolerance for drug trafficking. If one is not ready to face the consequences then you should have never done it in the first place
Ivan Ng exactly
Ivan Ng unjust law is not a law ....period .
Boldly breaking zero tolerance laws is telling enough of the bad persona of a criminal.
What if somebody dont like me and put drugs in my bag? Or if police do a mistake?
You think that can or was never happen? Mistakes are human.
@@Drifterchoo Nothing unjust about it. Drugs ruin lives.
Yes, there should be sympathy for these families and maybe even more support for them to deal with it. but, it should be remembered that a signal of deterrence should be sent. Yes, she described a morbid picture of prison, and that is exactly what is meant to be - remember Kho Jabing? Yeah, he smashed someone's skull till he died from 14 fractures. These prisoners have to be punished and locked up for the sake of the wider good and to punish the individual. and in extreme cases, put to death as the crime is just too grave.
I have a Hungarian friend in Singapore who asked me how many years of jail she needs to serve if she kills her Singaporean husband (she had a contemplating expression), and I warned her it’s death penalty, and she changed her mind after that
Kirsten, the law probably saved a guy’s life, and you’re telling people otherwise? What are you fighting for? More crimes?
The death penalty is serving its purpose. It serves to deter potential criminals, it makes those indecisive ones think twice before they attempting or plotting murder to take away others' lives....
Countless studies have shown that you are wrong! It is NOT a deterrent. Why could the crime rates in the US not be way lower than those in the rest of the western world (where it has been abolished for decades)?
@@UrskogTrolle it works for singapore :)
@@imaleafonatree6128 Are you completely sure about that? Can you prove to me that te crime rate would be higher without it?
Agreed and cutting of hands in public will also deter future criminals and provide longer lasting effect to future criminals
@@UrskogTrolle
Yeah, USA is so safe that people need to own guns to keep out criminals.
How many people are honest with their answers in survey? Without death sentence, would it take much to choose slogging whole life for peanuts versus robbing a bank, kidnapping, or smuggling drugs for millions? If caught, at most whole life in prison where one could actually work towards getting a degree etc. Oh, no need to worry about food, shelter and healthcare needs.
I have a friend who was murdered by a paroled twice murderer, and she was the 3rd victim. Why don't Kristen Han spend some time with THIS family and find out what they feel about it?
I am not here to share opinions, because it's not my place. It is a very simple fact. If you're in Singapore and you commit the crime of murder or drug trafficking, expect to pay the penalty. Is it harsh, yes it is, but so is murder.
My mother drummed all these scary scenarios if i were to be caught doing bad things to others. Till today, i will try not to harm others because I know the horrors of death penalty.
What if all punishment was abolished? What would you do? Is it the punishment that guides you or your conscience?
In Singapore you experience true freedom. Freedom to walk around with little to no risk of being mugged.
If death penalty cannot deter crimes, pls propose what else can. If you cannot propose an alternative, stop wasting everyone's time.
Education and re-education. Constant reminders to abstain from viciousness
playing emotion against collective safety and trying to misled audience by using US data (each country has different circumstance) is inconclusive.
Soooo well said sir. Why use basic emotional manipulation lah? Trust me when this girls sister or mum or brother or dad is addicted to drugs and ends up overdosing she'll think twice about letting these drug traffickers go
Harry Huang ok let’s unpack this. Why would they overdose?
You talk about collective safety so much, and yet aren't aware of the well known statistic that the death penalty has had 0 effect, it hasn't been an effective deterrent to any crime let alone drugs. So tell me now, who's basing it off of emotion, are we killing people to fulfill the emotion of rage, sadness and anger?
@@mingyuhuang8944 I've lost plenty to drugs and yet here I am knowing that these guys are mules from low economic situation, mentally handicapped or in a vulnerable situation.
@@anotherbigfootwithinternet2147 where is your "well known" stats?
Can you please show a minimum of respect for the innocent victims of these murderous monsters? That would certainly be much appreciated.
It would be my guess she’s a bleeding heart liberal. That means no sympathy towards the victims family, only sympathy towards to criminals.
Social Justice preys on emotions rather than the fact that the crimes done by those that were condemned. Being poor and a minority does not mean you are automatically condemned to the death penalty. Committing a crime, one that is covered with capital punishment, earns you the death penalty.
Let's take this step by step. Being poor and minority often (not always, I'll give you that much) means you have no chances in life. Nobody will hire you, either due to race or because they know your from a neighbourhood filled with crime and will assume you're a criminal. People won't sell you products for the same reason. Eventually, you have no choice. steel your food, steel money you need to buy food, sell drugs, join gangs etc. Just so that you won't starve to death. Eventually, that life of crime, that you had to do to survive, leads to somebody's death. And then you are given a death sentence for that. No, being poor and a minority doesn't mean you are automatically condemned to the death penalty directly, but a lot of them can only work within the choices they are given.
@@UrskogTrolle Poverty doesn't cause crime. Lack of morals do. Saying that poverty is the leading factor is nonsense, considering that most poor people don't commit crimes. It's an insult.
@@perrellcooper2422 Looking at people on the brink of starvation that decide that the lives of their families is more important than the riches of someone who has more than enough and calling that "lack of morals", that is an insult. It's true that most people don't commit crimes, but most people aren't starving. When you have to make the choice between "morals" and your own life, then we'll talk about what's "moral".
@@UrskogTrolle Most people in the western world aren't "starving." This isn't Africa or Venezuela. They have access to the resources they need (ie. foodbanks, churches etc.). It's mostly because of morals, because poor people who have morals don't even consider crime as an option. This was confirmed by a study btw.
Poverty is NO excuse for a crime.
@@perrellcooper2422 I say it again, when you have to choose between your "morals" and survival, we'll talk.
I love Singapore..... death penalty needs to be reserved for the deserving individuals.
Who does death penalty help?
Even in the U.S we need to talk about this more also, but it does need to be for the truly deserving, the rapists and murders, those who harm children, and abuse women especially. But small offenses, drug offenses where no one was harmed, need rehabilitation, not the death penalty, and as a recreational cannabis user, that’s hardly a crime.
@The Ultimate T-rex good to hear
@The Ultimate T-rex no they dont care about the person
when i said Good to here i thought i was responding to someone who was saying i am from singapore and i dont suport the Death penelty so i was pleased
Guys relax. She's not trying to take a stand about the death penalty - she's just documenting the stories of what goes on at the end of the lives of death row inmates, and shedding light on the process for the public to understand, because we often focus on the victim's side of the story but there's hardly any attention given to the criminal's perspective. It's like that old movie Dead Man Walking.
Negative, in her opening remarks she clearly stated her stand with the 'abolitionist group'. Please replay for your verification. Thank you.
She used the example of the family of a murderer, and the pain the family is going through, but ignoring that the actions of the murder led to this.
It's hard to feel too much sympathy for the family choosing the last clothes the murder will be photographed in, when the family of the person they murdered did not get this luxury.
There are probably more substantial topics to cover in opposition to the death penalty or what social situations lead to crime, or the direct POV of someone who was related to a murderer reflecting on their own experiences, but she just focused on sympathy for the family going through this, when if the guy never murdered anyone they would not be, and that kinda undermines her talk.
(I stopped watching around half way through, so if she addressed this at the end I did not see it for clarification.)
Your last sentence is tasteless.
Are you singaporian?
If yes, I am disappointed.
stomp man high n drugs become violent in you pauoy
even with the death penalty for drug trafficking , there are still drugs like heroina and meth in singapore. if the death penalty were abolished , then the amount of drugs will increase would not it ?
This guy attacked the victim with the intention of robbing him. He bludgeoned the victim so hard that his accomplice saw the victim's head cracked. His victim was later found to have suffered 14 skull fractures and died 6 days later. Think of the pain that the family's loved ones have to go through. Do they have the luxury of receiving a birthday card from him ?? I would suggest the presenter of the video spend some time with the family of the victim. I would also suggest that the presenter do a similar story on Osama bin Laden. Tell the world that it is wrong to kill him.
captain teamtitans I understand what you’re saying Captain but Killing someone should not be the right of the government. I understand the damage drugs do to people but killing people and people voluntarily taking and buying drugs is not the same. Comparing this man to Bin laden is just incorrect. Hundreds of studies have proven that the death penalty doesn’t deter crime so killing people is clearly unnecessary and also is more expensive than keeping someone in prison for life.
@@rohanmathilagath2537
it does deter me from doing bad things,, just thinking of the consequences i might get into.
"Since 2010, 23 prisoners have been executed for drug offences, while only 5 have been executed for other offences, such as murder" - Wiki.
Because there are more drug traffickers than murderers in Singapore. Have you seen the crime rate yet? lol.
@@teerificbitch How much exactly is the crime rate in Singapore? I've always read that they are extremely low.
@@saluttoutlemonde2262 Heavy crimes are rare. Small crimes, theft, cheating, scamming ... not.
But the most important thing is: Your wife can walk around here with her friends, anywhere, any time ... you do not have to be worried. You can stay home and she will come back in one piece. That is freedom.
@@krollpeter true
@@krollpeter you don't need authoritarianism to be safe.
Education and society influences that.
Where is the empirical evidence that the death penalty is not effective in Singapore in this video? All I hear are emotional woes.
I wonder how to collect data of (for example) number of drug users or addicts in a country that punishes people, whom have drugs in their system, with a jail sentence. Even if they're not in possession of any illegal drugs.
I live in Japan, a very very safe country with the death penalty. But I will be the first one to admit that the death penalty is not the reason why Japan is safe.
The death penalty is mainly about retribution and vengeance. Criminals who commit senseless crimes lose their right to live. That is the Japanese idea behind the death penalty and most Asians would agree with it.
Do I agree? Not sure.
But in general low crime is not connected to the severity of the punishment.
If lowering the crime rate was the goal, surely more countries would do what Norway has been doing for decades now.
Every country is different so no point of saying oh in Japan or oh in Norway etc.
I like the idea of death penalty. I also don't mind the idea of vengeance done in right dose. It may not be true in Japan but heavy penalties in Singapore keeps it safer. That's how i felt.
I agree with you. It is very important how you dose punishment. But primarily a society is safer if people do not feel cheated. However, Japan has increased dramatically penalty on drunk driving. I can say for myself that I am very careful now with alcohol. So yes, it works to some extent to have strict punishment especially on things that people do not take seriously like drunk driving--- crimes that people view as victim-less and therefore commit irrespective of what I said before.
Singapore is multi racial and multi religious, at one point in the past, the Malays like to attack and kill the Chinese here. Japan is quite an uniform country with uniform culture. It is not easy to maintain stability in Singapore.
hard to argue against that. If I recall correctly, this is one reason why it was abolished in my country of origin, Canada. Canadians were not opposed to it on moral grounds but many disliked the idea of an innocent man being executed very much.
How can multiple murders and drug trafficking have the same punishment
@maciej wrotek And its a solution that works. The irony huh?
Why not? The worst outcome is DEATH. A single murder is death. Multiple murder is death. Does that mean its unfair? Upper-limits do not matter on this.
Also, as Lee Kuan Yew has stated, drug traffickers WILLINGLY take the risk, knowing the death penalty exists in Singapore, and are fine with ruining thousands of people's lives with drug addiction, who in turn ruin thousands of families. This is a conservative viewpoint of a conservative nation. Nothing wrong with that.
@@teerificbitch Drugs do not necessarily lead to addiction, but regardless is that the responsibility and freedom of individuals, not of the government. Should people selling fast food be killed, or people letting people ride horses (which can also be a deadly sport)?
@@teerificbitch if it works then why are they still hanging people.
@@rexisnox577 There are less drug-related crimes after implementation of death penalty, therefore it works. The small number of people getting hanged still think the known risks (Death) outweighs the benefits, therefore it still happens.
It's not a secret that if you kill or traffic drugs you will get killed. No one hides that from you. If you still want to go that route, you better be prepared to accept your fate. This Singaporean speaker is so misguided
you call a couple pounds of weed drug traffiking, bs. This does not fut into international norms, it's murder.
@@danmel3978 every country has the right to establish its own law. It's part of its sovereignty
so what is she advocating? how about those who lost their love ones to murderers? do family members even have the chance to touch the fingers of the murdered?
The argument for death penalty is CHOICE.
Drug abusers risk death for pleasure.
Drug trafficker risk death for destroying families for money.
People seem to forget that justice is blind. After all, savagery and destruction were inflicted without regard on the victim by the perpetrator in the first place.
With every mistake comes a consequence. With every crime, comes punishment. If you actually dont want yr loved ones to suffer n for you to lose your lives, why commit crime in the first place? Giving one a second chance doesnt mean one will not commit the same crimes again, they could and some just never learn and by giving them a second chance puts many in danger of being murdered/harmed.
The death penalty is a reflection of the society that allows it. A more enlightened society would go beyond vengeance and retribution. The death penalty doesn't discourage serious crime, it's a system that erodes the humanity of all involved.
Threat of killing is an easiest way to threaten people to submission.
I agree completely
This is not about vengeance. This is about protecting others from harm and about setting an example.
YOU ARE WRONG.
@@نادرالیراحمان The death penalty is not a deterrent
It's too bad this presenter doesn't have as much sympathy for the victim.
But most of the criminals executed are drug traffickers which is a victimless crime
the writing is on the wall,, do not argue on it if u choose to challenge it.
@Jeremiah doing drugs is a choice
Not to mention the greater majority of 5.5 million people are innocent people
@@diozlatan93 Those that do drugs won't get the death sentence. It's those that SMUGGLE a high amount of drugs gets the death sentence sometimes.
I found that people that do not support death penalty, lack sympathy for criminal's victims. Instead, these people see the criminal as the victim. If you have sympathy for the criminal's families. Why you do not have sympathy for the victim's families ? These people, who oppose death penalty, are just hypocrites. The research in USA about death penalty is flaw. If you look at the FBI files documentaries, you will heard these words very frequently - "The murder suspect is an ex-convict, who have histories of violent". If these violent criminals are given the death penalty instead of parole. The number of murder victims would have reduce significantly in USA. Many innocent people do not have to die.
I would love this jounalist to visit camps in los angles and ask them how they ended up there and how many died on the street
what about the victims family, who is there to support them?? if your love one was murdered, will you say the same thing..
if you don't commit crime, what is there to worry about..
yes but is death warrented for 2 kilos of marajuana
Will Scott : you need to consider the impacts and lives that are affected from this 2kg of drug
Totally agreed. Some of our naive youth are living good life castle in the air.
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tbh I envy Singapore for having death penalty unless it is not used to wrong people(who didn't commit crime). It makes whole society so safe, protecting huge numbers of potential victims. I can't give my empathy to criminals, even their family.
I mean it’s nice to speak on behalf of these inmates who are sitting at the dock waiting for the names to be added to death row .. but the point it’s after much trials and jurisdiction and hearing and assessing the crimes and it’s gravity .. these inmates are sentenced.. those who were accused had a prior knowledge that drug trafficking or killing another human or any capital crimes are going to end in the rope .. so why do we say no to capital punishment.. won’t it make those on the edge to be easier to offend ??
Are there lots of innocent people in Singapore being falsely accused? If not I don't see what the problem is. Answer is simple, don't break the law.
@Lady Bug some politicians have climbed the latter some are aristocrats. I don't know what's going on in Singapore. That's besides the point. Everyday struggles is not an excuse to commit crimes. If a politician commits a crime the should be punished.
it's actually English law...created by the English centuries ago and used as a punishment during the wars..
Yes, and Singapore Law is based on English Common Law. As bastardized as it is.
but England and the Commonwealth have stooped it Singapore are still using it and Canning to
@@timothywait9457 why should Singaporean stop using it? They already experience the execution of the death penalty law and since they keep using it prob they think its fit and suitable. Remember Singapore is sovereign country not Britain colonies anymore, don't need to follow every white master step if its not beneficial to Singapore society
@@xiaomose7495well many studies have shown capital offence lack of effectiveness in deterring crime. Also the irreversible nature of the punishment means that it cannot be undone in the event of a mistake or new evidence coming to light.
I'm interested to know what her ulterior motive is. Who is paying her to raise awareness on the death penalty? And why is she always only talking about the death penalty for drug traffickers and not murderers?
Before anyone claims that the death penalty is a prerequisite for a "safe country", Singapore isn't even ranked as the safest country in the world. In fact, the safest countries don't contain the death penalty: e.g. Denmark, Switzerland, Canada, New Zealand, etc etc.
Just like not all TED talk are good?
+Joseph yeah I have to agree that this talk is pretty uninspiring. I would have hoped that she talked less about the emotional aspect of the consequences of the death penalty.
+matthew Yes Singapore can be one of the safest but not the de facto. Primarily, my point is that, countries that can be as safe, or even more safe, than Singapore (as seen in the lists of countries in your given link) can not have the death penalty. So the death penalty isn't a determining factor for safety.
Is America SAFE ? you are using selective example. Asia vs Euro. Different countries, different background.
I agree some of the safest countries in the world don't even need death penalty. But you also need to consider other factors like size of the nation, the countries we are surrounded by, our history, our government etc. I'm sure you know exactly how tiny we are. 10k people with drugs in New Zealand don't seem much. Imagine that in Singapore. Any more lenient and we are capable of destroying our economy, society very quickly. Look at our neighbours, Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, Philippines... high crime rates, bad economy, corrupted government... and our history with opium, too. That period was one of the turning points in our history. Even if they didn't implement death penalty in the beginning, if we abolish it now, what would happen? This tiny island is a prosperous shipping port for drugs, human trafficking, crimes, gun trafficking. People tend to forget how vulnerable we actually are, despite being very competitively strong in economy, wealth etc. And also, I last checked the 2017 list and yeah we are the safest. Also strictest. Also one of the richest. List goes on.
Instead of keep talking about the Death Penalty in Singapore law, why don't you work harder, think of ways to help these families not to commit crimes? The law has been there for years! Another word, they know it well that the conseqences is hang to death if they did it, but still, they choose to do it, regardless of whatever reason. They are the one who choose to hurt their family, that is nothing to do with the law.
Without this strict law, there are going to hurt countless innocent people in Singapore !!! People who never experience staying with those people, you will never able to understand how they behave,when they are out of control. Therefore, we Singaporean love our Home Land !! We Support fully to keep our strict law of Death Penalty !!!
Death penalty cannot solve the problem, it only aggravates human sufferings.
Whose sufferings?
why she talking nonsense? "imagine what size of final clothes to buy, how would u feel etc. etc." lol?
she doesn't feel that her content itself is very shallow and underwhelming ah
During the period leading to the execution of the death sentence, it allow the convicts to do self reflection, to confess their sin, as well as to mentally say sorry to their victims. Their victims deserve to live n have justice too. Who hear them when their victims' lives were suddenly taken away ?
For me, death penalty cannot be disputed if the convict had committed murder. If one could intentionally take the life of another, that person does not deserve to be allowed to keep his/her life
Does that include the executioners? The jurors that condemn the person to die? the judges? Does that include the innocents?
This is reason Singapore is super safe.
The victims of these drug smugglers are far more than those put to death by this death Penalty. And the victims are not just the person who consume the drugs. They include their family, children, relatives, friends, colleagues torn apart by the drug abusers. I pity the victims of drugs but not those drug smugglers put to death by the death penalty. We didnt force you to smuggle drugs. We put the death penalty up loud n clear. You want to push your luck. So cry when u are caught. We are transparent in our determination to stop drugs at all cost. You the drug smugglers are determined to destroy other lives at all cost. You do your job, we do ours too! We do not need to back down from any outside interference or pressure. We stood our ground to protect our people!
We can may be never understand why the accussed drug smuggler smuggled the drug into your country. Or why he murdered the victim. To understand that we have to live life from his perspective from his experience from his enviornment. He was not born murderer or smuggler. Something would have happened in his life which converted him into it. Now should be punish them? I understand the victim perspective but also try to understand the accussed perspective. You will understand that both of them are correct.
Are these people, sentenced to death innocent or criminal? Do they not know the things they do were of consequences? Second chance? Singapore is no FAIRY LAND. This is reality !
John Ong there is some innocent being sentence to death..
No one alive is innocent!
John Ong so are you telling me you also not innocent?
i did'nt say 100% not innocent.ok lets said i put drugs inside your beg then suddenly you being arrest by the police and said whose this belong to you said you dont know then you being sentenced so are you telling me you are guilty?you mention reality on your first comment right?i'm telling you reality right now human nature we never knows..like you said is not fairyland in that case even LOVE also can be fantasy not reality..My friend dont talk to me about reality with i see more deeper reality since i was 8 ok human nature no matter what you did good or bad to me people are people..thats it no question about it..
No awareness and too naive is a bad mix. Better not travel, at least for you.
What's her problem? She likes drug trafficers, murderers and wild geese more than their victims?
1. Think of the criminal victim, esp drug trafficking. All the downstream drug users
2. I am against life sentence. Me as a taxpayer, I do not want to waste my tax on these death inmates.
You would rather see taxes going to kill people? Including the tax money from people who appose it?
pabide I dun think u need much taxes to kill these criminal. A noose that can be re-used multiple times. I can provide. No need the opposition taxes to get rid of the leech of society
@@Peter22097 What about paying everybody involved? Are they all gonna be volunteers? Should we allow the condemned any appeals to try and make sure we're not killing the wrong person? Should the court case be treated like any other and not have more money invested in them to make sure that the wrong people aren't executed?
Also, that very mindset that you would be willing to take their lives, is precisely why you should be the last person to do so! An executioner should not rejoice in their work.
pabide I dun celebrate their death. I just approved the existence of death sentence. With all the right legal procedures and appeal out of way(not under my control), I would want the right person who dun deserve to be human to go.
trying to make an argument by exploiting people's emotions is cheap.
Tony Wang Typical bleeding heart pussies
No it is not, because you are HUMAN, not machine!
Appeals to emotion comprise at least half of the anti-DP arguments...
@@downlink5877 And most of pro-DP arguments...
"If someone killed my family, I want them dead"
Which is what death penalty proponents do almost constantly.
If there was no death penalty the lives that were lost in the murders would no longer have value. The truth is when it comes to murder the death penalty is the closest thing that can bring justice. I understand why people may be against it but I don't think we can only look at this issue from an emotional point of view.
I am against it because if there is someone who is innocent and they are executed then that life is lost forever. Of course the chance is quite low but every life counts.
Actually, I find the proponents of the death penalty to be the more emotional ones. They talk about how bad it would feel to loose someone and how good it feels when the violence continues but we opponents want to take a step back and look at the evidence. Some people are innocent. Some people are guilty but had no choice. Some people are guilty but had very tough lives and were never given a chance and were in a way sentenced to execution the minute they were born.
Well if you had a loved on put on death row will you be all ok with other people wanting to kill you're loved one because they are emotional. You're not thinking deep enough about this issue.
@@sammyhiggs4202 I can actually turn that around and ask people if one of their own were murdered would they be ok if justice wasn't served
Before we judge these death-row inmates and claim that it's fair game since they probably knew about the consequences when they committed the crime, we can NEVER be sure about the motivations behind committing the crime.
Sometimes, they don't 'choose' to commit the crime because circumstances force them into it. Sure, you could say that there are alternative routes and that they probably chose the easiest one. But how else would you know of the other options if you were drowning in desperation and how could you possibly think logically then?
It is easy to say that they deserved it. But we must also recall that as time passes, crimes that would have gotten you executed in the past (be it the medieval justice system or the Chinese Imperial system) now no longer warrant that sentence. That is why we need dialogue to revise our outdated penal system and reconsider the relevance of the death penalty with regards to SOME crimes. Ultimately, however, I still believe there is a place for the death penalty in Singapore but it should be a very limited and reserved one.
Yes finally a rational person
You were so close. I agreed with you 100% until you said you still support the death penalty.
@@UrskogTrolle gotchu
Dont do something that will carry the death penalty, and you will not get one. Period.
Thank you, Kirsten, for telling us what the families experience when their loved ones are sentenced, jailed and eventually hanged. Thank you for putting aside the issue of guilt, and personalising and naming some of the men who are sentenced to death. You make an important point in stating that studies fail to prove that the death penalty deters serious crime, which leads us to wonder if the public desire for retribution is what silences the debate. Thanks for encouraging this conversation.
There are repercussions to the choices one makes, found this to be unapologetically sympathetic to crimes which are not out of rage or oppression
So when someone commits a serious crime like distributing drugs or murder we are suppose to lock them up and feed them for life????? All you talk about is what the family of the offender is going through and not the victims family. Are the victims family suppose to just accept the fact that the their loves one are gone now and the very person that caused this is now sitting comfortably in a cell being fed meals everyday. They have broken laws with clear consequences that has been implemented for a long time. And so what if he or she regretted their actions the damage has been dealt now you face the punishment
Such a thinking will ultimately destroy a community. I absolutely agree that I would like to see the murder of a family member dead. But that's exactly the reason it's not up to the victims family to decide. Since then we would have a system of feud were families will kill and harm each other out of rage an vengeance. That cannot be the goal of a civil society. In my opinion the victim should play no role in a crime. Only the crime itself, the motivation of the offender and the likelihood of it to happen again.
So let's do an example:
Case 1:
We have a planed and brutally executed murder of a man who was father of three children and married.
Motivation:
Revenge. The victim abused the child of the offender.
Will it happen again? Most likely no.
Case 2:
We have a victim (single male with lots of DUIs) shot in the head in open street.
Motivation:
Rage. The victim killed the child of the offender in a car accident while being drunk. He victim has been released after 5 years in prison and just happen to cross path with the offender.
Will it happen again? Most likely no.
Should both offenders get the death penalty. If not what is the appropriate punishment in both cases?
Why you? You say it, like it would influence you.
You don't now much about money and the system, I guess.
Also, death penalty don't influence you.
Or when it not exists also.
Nothing would change for YOU.
You only want to believe this to hold on your ideas and sense of the world.
Hanging stops criminals re-offending. It saves hard working taxpayers money, and is a great deterrent.
@@wcstevens7 It's not a deterrent. Do countries with the death penalty have lower crime rates than countries without? Do states with it have lower crime rates than states without it? No! Studies have shown that the death penalty is not a deterrent. And because of the appeals and court cases there is a lot more tax money going into killing than keeping them locked up for life. And speaking of tax money, if someone abhors the death penalty and want nothing to do with it, should they still be forced to give their hard earned tax money to keep it?
When i watch and read crime of death row inmate, I think of those who are arrested by not sentece to death. Why do they get to live and continue to make a life, regardless of how small when the people they snuff out never get to live. To witness new things.
Death penalty for cannabis is absolutely insane. Completely disproportionate to the harm caused by the trafficker. Cannabis is no more harmful than cigarettes or alcohol. In fact, alcohol is worse.
Hey speaker, what if someone kills your whole family and walks away free. Sure you probably can forgive him. But if the same happens to me, i want justice! People are going to commit serious crime knowing that they can be pardoned. For a person to kill some one else intentionally, is not easy to change compared to one committing petty crimes.
Singapore’s death penalty system is incredibly based.
The death sentence has its pros and cons, theres almost no edge between the benefits of having no death sentence or having death sentence
Agree. I'm neither pro or anti death sentence. But the benefits of having it are insignificant.
Death Sentence should be in place for Murder only, because of retribution
@@sorin_ea6 Yeah but sadly most of the people executed are not the preparator just look at Kim Jong Nam's case for ex. Those indonesians end up in the gallows whereas the north koreans flee
@@pena1950 Any country in South East Asia could not afford war repercussions if they sentenced the North Koreans. An attack from the North Korean regime is much more severe than a racial riot and massacre combined. Millions of lives in South East Asia will be wiped out in few days.
I wonder if anyone asked themselves that question. During the execution of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ?...
I agree with you completely. If Singaporean judicial executions are shrouded in secrecy, then definitely there is deliberate impediment to system transparency and questionable motive of the government.
If research is inadequate on the matter, then how did the government generate a consensus of 70% of its people in its favour.
It is possible that the government decision is based more on seeking political mileage of a few leaders chasing powe, based on their people rather than on a noble intention, not to speak that the consensus is largely from people who don't understand the implication of capital punishment, or merely based on poor and manipulated or tampered national data.
Imagine buying clothes for a murderer? I'd reserve my sympathies to the murder's victims
So the families of the condemned deserve to be punished for a crime their family member committed? The victim obviously deserves our sympathy and even if you have no sympathy for the condemned, surely you must feel something for the people about to loose someone they love?
@@UrskogTrolle I don't think
Qawserftgyuh R don't care about the culprit. Rather, the priority should go to the victims instead. Certainly the families of the condemned don't deserve such negative experience in their lives. However, if only the culprit chose to walk away from drug/murder/whatever offence related to capital punishment, they would not be suffering like mentioned. Personally, it is pitiful to have a family member sitting in the death row awaiting the inevitable.
Ending by saying what will we be doing?
Question, than what do u intend to do for the victims family ?
What about non violent offenders? Like drug traffickers? Killing a dude for bringing in weed gimme a break
Nobody's saying that the victim's families should be ignored. But instead of retribution and hope they will feel better when the violence continues, the money used to kill should be used to counsel and help these families.
It's like asking.... "Someone lost his loved one to cancer" so what will we be doing???
@@HassanHabib2 Well what about not bringing weed to Singapore ? It's not that hard. Death penalty plays a huge role in persuasion, if you look at Singapore compared to Western countries you can clearly see the difference. Even tough i think death penalty may be a bit to much, and you could have a 25 to 30 + year sentence and still get the same persuasion effect, we all have to see that it's working.
Do NOT SMUGGLE DRUGS INTO SINGAPORE OR MAYLASIA.
Why is she supporting the families of drug traffickers? Has she seen the damage done to those who are addicted?
"An eye for an eye only makes the world go blind " Gandhi .It still suprises me that Singapore as one of the most forward thinking and most powerful asian countries still has the death penalty !!
Sadly, the world is vast with many kind of people sure their is people that willing to risk just for revenge but not all people dare risk all they have. So world will never blind, cause not all people in the world is moron
Retribution is justified in Murder cases
it is exactly such forward thinking that they have the capitol punishment to deter potential problem, we are living in a very dynamic enviroment, take a lesson from those so called free world, i don't need that.
@@sepniner4848 You got any strong evidence that death penalty deter potential crime?
This girl is a small kid.She does not know what drugs could do to people.The consequences of drugs are something that not many people know.
I am a former Corrections Officer. I worked Death Row in Three US States. I was a Team Member in Eleven Executions.
I am Pro Death Penalty.
We forgive you.
How come her face like this one
Wai Yu Somin
whoever take a life wo due cause should forfeit his life wi due cause, the latin phrase actus reus
I only can say you value the life of accused more than the life of the victims.
Michael Goh perfectly said
She never said that!
@@UrskogTrolle She don't have to say it. It's obvious.
@@BeachBoi1000 How is it obvious? Because she didn't talk about them? Sometimes, when you talk about a topic, you can focus on something other than what EVERYBODY focuses on.
@@UrskogTrolle I just don't buy her stories. Sorry to disappoint you.
She is very good talker she is very calm thank you for sharing Bless you all have a good day thank you
Thanks but we will keep the death penalty
Another example of emotions over facts
Death penalty for murder should continue. Life imprisonment for drug.
Also how about offences such as dangerous driving causing death? Why is it only jail time?
If you don't like the laws of a country, you are free to live elsewhere.
I think what is key here is if we as a society is choosing to implement the system of the death penalty, we need to know what it is about and the consequences it has on not just the perpetrator of the crime, but also the family of the criminal and the victim. How can we support the people who are innocent? It simply does not hold water if we are choosing to implement death sentence, but we don't know what it is all about. I appreciate Kirsten Han's sharing of the current state of Singapore's death penalty system. It gave us all something to reflect about.
However,do pray for the souls of those dead ones...those murdered victims as well as those executed ...
Selling drugs can have a capital sentence just like in China. It's not necessarily murder convictions.
No matter how heinous the crime, no one deserves the death penalty. Yes, remove him from society and keep him incarcerated for life if need be so that he can do no more harm...but to remove him from the surface of the earth and play God? come on..
Nick Ng Criminals don't deserve to live
unfortunately most idiots in singapore cannot grasp that simple concept
And imo nobody has the right to sentence someone to death
Why spend taxpayer money to keep murderers alive?
And even then, people would still complain or argue about life sentence, that its too harsh or whatever. You won't be able to please everyone, even if its life sentence / death penalty.
“Capital punishment: Those without the capital, get the punishment.”
(If I’ve quoted John Spenklenk accurately...)
you believe in 2nd chances but i would want the victims to have a 2nd chance too wouldnt we all
WHO GIVE THE VICTIMS THE SECOND CHANCE????
you aren't a victim if you take drugs lol. How how will there be supply if there is no demand, we need to tackle the root of the issue. People who take drugs and those who traffic drugs deserve the same punishment.
@@efaesfefse9236 you're insane mate
@@cadelent1481 smd
I don't care whether Singapore is deemed a barbaric country in the eyes of others, or whether the death penalty is only about retribution/revenge. We basically need an arsenal of penalties in dealing with a myriad of crimes, the highest being capital punishment - which is reserved for only a few explicit crimes. Drugs may not seem to be as bad as murder, but the damage that it can potentially do to any society on the whole is far more pervasive and undermining instead. Otherwise, and down the list, you have life imprisonment and long term imprisonment for less heinous or less socially harmful crimes. There are many low income families in Singapore, but most choose to live honestly and uprightly despite tough circumstances, or resort to committing petty crimes instead. I disagreed with any of the factors cited by the speaker (which insinuated that we are a cruel, unfeeling lot of people) in her attempt to win emotional votes for the abolishment of capital punishment. Ultimately, it's the individual's poor choice that the blame falls squarely on. Period. I only wonder whether there is a less painful way of execution if hanging is not the best way to go about it. The issue, for me, is not about the taking away of a life for a serious crime, but doing it in the most humane way possible so that an unnecessarily painful death could be circumvented.
While I was studying in Singapore, there were police invited as guest speakers at our school talking about the consequences of drugs being the death penalty. One student asks, "What if that person turns out to be innocent and wasn't trafficking any drugs?" The police snapped back, "Everyone trialed to be hang is guilty." I left the country after that semester.
Death penalty is imposed on those who physically carry certain amounts of drugs. The stuff has to be there, with them. These are most cases, and most of these Malays.
The other cases are murder. If there is the slightest doubt, there will be no execution. Murder is comparably very low in Singapore. They did not even come into a situation of not being able to get someone who was then not the murder.
The third and last case are firearm related crimes. There was no such case since many years. Because there are no firearms, there are literally no such crimes here.
I am not pro-death penalty. However, it is true what the policeman said to you.
I am real good with this....wish more countries did this!!!
When is TED coming? 😂
They choose to bring does drugs knowing that drug trafficking equals to death penalty in Singapore. And yet, they still did it. Many others are in Low income families but they didn’t do it
They gave up their families when they did the trafficking.
@Kirsten Han... thank you for your experience, and those 6 years with the families of those that been hanged... I hope you could put some effort with families of those drug addicts, their friends and their sufferings... then you will understand why I 100% agreed with HANGING..
EXACTLY...
Addicted people will find their drugs no matter what. It is not the fault of the seller, rather a hard childhood or/and low dopamine receptors in the brain.
Why isn't there penalty for alcohol use and sale then? It is proven that alcohol is more addictive and more socially dangerous than Cannabis. So your argument doesn't make any sense.
@@karlwolf3501 well not in Singapore ...
I believe that my country (Singapore) Death penalty should only be given to a person who take the life of another person on purpose and not for any other offences.
The sentence u said has an logic but you do understand that drug dealer destroy family maybe u can't feel it yet but when it happen to you or your family, it will destroy the child life when he gets older... Drug addiction got caught just go in holiday (JAIL) but durg dealer they MUST DIE IN ALL KIND OF WAYS!!! :D
Punishment need to fit the crime. The punishment a country hands out to offender should be solely base on retribution.
The drug dealer should be punish appropriately for selling drugs and he should not bear the burden of someone else suffering or misfortune unless he force onto the buyer to buy.
Zhixuan Jeremy and if someone slips drugs in your bag? What then? Do you realize how dangerous such a policy is? And why is McDonalds allowed? You don’t think that food is filled with drugs that cause health problems? The obesity epidemic in the US is SPREADING and yet no govt seems to care..
may all beings be happy
Well done Singapore. Keep up the good work.
death penalty is a strong deterrence to drug crimes for sure. what other punishment would be strong enough to deter drugs related crime?
A lack of evidence in the US simply means that the link is not yet understood. But in Singapore, it has been part of the total package to fight drugs related crime, and it has been working.
And you do realize that those were hanged are not the preparators are the mules these ppl often don't know what they are doing. The rich escapes execution the poor will suffer.
its not working because only a few are caught, drugs are still very readily available in singapore
It hasn't, statistically it isn't a good deterrent
That guy got the death penalty for trafficking 2 kilos of cannabis. Harsh!
Rick Ruffin anyone that would punish (murder) for a healing plant is an enemy to humanity.
Why not?
I disagree with the speaker, if you victims family, what will you feel?
And if you're condemned's family, what will you feel?
And if you had a loved one put on death row. Think deeper on this issue
I agree with our law in Death Penalty. It suppose to deter us from committing a capital crime. As a human if we don't draw a line when committing a crime, then how can we admit it to ourselves what we are doing is absolutely wrong. We need to set rules for our own self that if we are caught by the law we will be punished. Not all crimes is "Death Penalty" in Spore. If we do allow Capital punishment to be on life term sentence, there will a sudden surge of crimes. Didn't we realised that Death Penalty is imposed only when another person's life is in danger that can result in fatality. It will result in overcrowding of prison and in consequence it will result in more prisons have to built just to compensate prisoners as we can see for ourselves happening in other parts of the world.
Do u really think the death penalty is supposed to be sweet beautiful. Do u expect a red carpet 5-stars treatment ? Do the victims of drugs get sweet beautiful red carpet 5 stars suffering? Does the family of drug victims get a nice beautiful sweet experience? Come on. No penalty is supposed to be sweet n beautiful. I dont need to know what goes on in a death penalty. U want to push drugs, be prepared to face the consequences. Drug pushers has a choice. U make the choice. U face the consequences attached to each choices u make.
Victims, families and Friend had no crime but yet they had to suffer, a Mother watch her child went out and never get to see her child again. Victimise murderer is not going to save anyone. If you really want to save people, save them before they become a victim or save them before they become a murderer.
I like the approach with which Kirsten tackled this issue; from the standpoint of the row inmates' family members and background.
HAHA.... what about the VICTIM'S FAMILY!??!?
@ Miss Peeved: Yes, what about them? Please enlighten me.
+Miss Peeved How does the victim's family have a better life by the death of the criminal, apart from having their grievances avenged?
@@misspeeved9844 They're being brought up CONSTANTLY by death penalty-proponents!
@@Averagebum21 The answer is.... YES...!!!
Dear Kristen Han,
Have you had your loved one lost because of murder?
Or over dosing on drugs?
When your loved one has been murdered, then you have the right to make this speech.
Dear Andrew P
Have you had your loved one lost because of the death penalty?
When your loved one has been executed by the state, then you have the right to make this comment.
pabide
Obviously you’re a relatively dense individual... a comment weigh against a 10 minute speech. I’ve lost a loved one to drug overdose... have you lost anything other than your intelligence?
@@danielcurrie7553 When you start your argument with a personal attack, I'm just not gonna bother reading the rest because if you have any decent arguments, you're not gonna need to do those attacks.
Try again later when you have arguments strong enough to not need them.
@pabide
But you replied, so you read the comments and it bothered you 🤣🤣🤣
@@DC-kq9gz I read as far as dense, then I replied that I'm not reading the rest.
Did it bother me that this person hurled insults when he (I'm assuming male based on the name) didn't have any more arguments? Sure. If you don't have any arguments, don't say anything.
Insulting the person you're arguing against only means you already lost.
you call yourself a developed country and kill convicts for carrying cannabis...... thats such a SHAME man!!!!