Everything aside, big respect to AMD for delaying their launch due to first shipments not passing QA controls. This takes balls in todays enterprise environment where launch dates and sales take first place in the company KPIs.
@@thecraftedalliance They were extra careful to hit the promised clocks since Zen 3. Every review showed 100-150MHz higher clocks on Zen 3 and Zen 4 than advertised on every model. Not an excuse for their mishap on Zen 2, but it's good that they learned from it.
On one hand we got AMD deciding to postpone their launch to make sure their CPUs are in perfect working order. On the other hand we have Intel, ignoring stability issues due to voltages and oxidation, for close to 2 years. And even denying RMAs to some consumers.
For two years Intel kept things under wraps but there has been a flood of bad press recently on Intel 13th and 14th gen so I think AMD are trying to take of advantage of the bad press and make themselves look competent.
Italian here, Saddy often does hardware reviews, including old hardware retrospectives. He also made the two CCD point himself, but it was the only one he could get his hands on.
@@Chasm9 LMAO, the funny thing is that Italians give me shit for sounding like an American. Despite the looks you mentioned, I've been treated like a tourist on more than one occasion. Can't win, lol 🤷
Or rather test with consumer motherboards. It could be that Intel’s testing environment used voltage settings that were more conservative than what RoG MSI Gigabyte pumps into the CPUs.
@@darudesandstorm7002because bulldozer are still works even after over a decade, while intel 13th/14th gen will bsod to oblivion after just six months.
14:11 that's absolutely correct, I'd rather have a single detailed video per product rather than a hour long complicated overview of the whole line-up because it helps when you're actually coming back after a year or two to actually buy something. Many people watching just for entertainment don't understand that and then say reviewers are "milking" views.
Ditto. One compact, well scripted and relevant-for-the-product video on each product is infinitely more useful. Then I can also just send a link to people who want my opinion.
I don't even see the issue even if they WERE doing it to milk views. These reviews take a lot of time and effort to make (not to mention sleepless nights), so it makes sense reviewers would want to squeeze as much revenue out of them as reasonably possible. Can't really fault them for that.
"Some of the processors were way off in benchmarking and testing. AMD decided to investigate and found a problem in some processors with the IOD. Apparently salvageable with a IOD swap. Also the 6 and 8 core parts are not affected but recalling as a precaution which is why the delay on these is only a week."🤕 - this seems plausible in regards AMD mentioning issues with packaging in their Tom's Hardware interview.
@@michalsvihla1403 That's the big die that you see on opened ryzen chips... the bigger of the three chips that you see on a ryzen processor that has been delidded.
Nobody needs a new processor line release. Hardware has been carrying bad optimized games. The existing hardware is already INSANELY good for whatever we need from them as consumers.
@@Hunti1550 everyone needs better value tho. After the loss of the Ryzen 3 series and the disappearance of the i3 and Pentium lines for the most part, we need better value products again. So these new releases would either give us better value and/or lower prices of older gens.
Not true. Intel has built up so much good sentiment with their customers over the decades that if they fix this issue, they will be forgiven. And if they fix it in the middle of August when AMD releases these chips, it's going to be a stalemate.
You will be surprise how often AMD shoots their own foot, but I expect Intel to be having a rough 5 years ahead thanks to the 13/14 gen problems. People would probably take a wait and see approach on 15 gen.
@@DingleBerryschnapps Agreed, I actually bitch about this being a huge problem with Radeon to this day, but right now as far as 2024 is concerned, it seems clear AMD’s CPU division is on the ball and Intel’s is still not.
It took time for the issues to manifest on intel, AMD just had the opportunity given the recent issues to thoroughly recheck given the circumstances. Don't forget, these were ALREADY SHIPPED and ready to be distributed. the only reason they checked was because of what's happening with Intel. If that wasn't the case, these would have ended up in consumer desktops. You have to give credit where it's due, but remember these past AMD QA
This is a braindead take. Intel's issue is degredation. You can't see degredation before it happens. Even in always up server use it took at least 6 months to pop up. How the fuck could they know there's an issue to fix before it presented itself. You guys really need to stop sniffing thermal paste, it's really bad for you. I can already tell your comment will get hundreds up upvotes from other enlightened fanboys.
This really makes AMD look good with this timing. Intel hides an issue for over a year that's affecting sold products, AMD looks good avoiding even the hint of bad product on the shelves in a rather public way. I could see some thinking the timing is sus. Apparently the rumor of the day is some R9's have bad IO dies or IO dies that weren't quite mounted right. But that's a rando rumo, not even the usual rumor source that get it right once in while.
It really doesn't matter if someone puked on the wafers before cutting the chips up. The only important part is that the product was recalled before anyone got a frustrating experience with it. It's all you've gotta do. The Tylenol-and-cyanide incident taught the world that lesson once and for all: You can face what looks like the biggest PR nightmare in history and still emerge stronger and more trusted if you're up-front, candid and lightning fast off the rail to do the right thing. I honestly wish AMD had spelled the exact problem out.
The failure to reach maximum boost speeds was with Zen 2. With Zen 3, they understated the maximum boost clocks, so almost everyone got higher-than-advertised speeds, and even people with bad cooling or motherboards with a sketchy BIOS would reach the advertised "maximum" boost speed.
It’s a weird thing to of happened. I guess they don’t want that Intel stink to get on them. They can’t recall the laptop cpus because they are always soldered onto boards and are shipping.
@@chriswho12345 Which would be absolutely mental. Especially after Intel was just caught doing something like that. Do you really believe AMD was like "oh look how bad intel got it right now hold my beer"
The opportunity is just too great. Delay 2 weeks , and get day 1 review benchmarks agains Intel with their patch already applied, which will certainly impact their performance
I kind of the timing was a bit sus myself. Quality Control Issues could be anything. Could be a batch that had their IHS's laser engraved some tenths of a mm off center, the boxes could have been not quite the perfect shade for a color. etc.
but intel only said mid august. I'm sure they could push that to the 20th or whenever they have to... if that is indeed what they are up to. Which it better not be as more intel cpus are degrading by the day.
@@brianrobinson3961 it is a game of chicken. The more intel delays the patch, the more cpus are dying and the more RMAs and legal issues will appear. AMD doesn't care because 1) nobody is touching intel CPUs atm, everyone buys AM5 2) new AM5 boards have not released yet, so potential zen5 buyers will wait for the new boards anyway.
Dane here: Hardware Unboxed is not the only Aussie channel that does absurdly well on TH-cam. Clickspring, The Skidfactory and Mighty Car Mods are also epic Aussie content creators. Australian English is fairly easy for me to digest (if it doesn't get TOO authentic :P) and your laid back approach is very "Scandinavia compatible".
@@andersjjensen I think you have something there. One of the queens (consort?) up that way is Australian I believe. I understand the Prince was pointed out to her and she thought, "I haven't met a prince". So she introduced herself lol. I know what you mean, our accent can go from Cate Blanchet all the way to Steve Irwin depending where you go 😁
@@jemborg Yes, Her Majesty Queen Mary of Denmark, duchess of Monpezat, is indeed "a Tasmanian export success" to put it mildly. We took to her right away because of her confidant but calm mannerisms. Besides the Royal duties she is also the protector of several humanitarian organisations, and she's an eloquent speaker who has mastered Danish completely. Which is an almost impossible feat. Absolutely a worthy queen for a king who's bloodline is unbroken back to Harold Bluetooth, the last Viking king of Denmark.
AMD knew that I’ve been impatiently waiting for the next episode of the Hardware Unboxed podcast, so they delayed the launch to give you two something to talk about for 30 minutes. What a nice company, AMD
In this instance lol. Never underestimate AMDs ability to shoot themselves in the foot. They're pros at this point. Glad they seem to have managed to avoid that here.
@@RafitoOoO Good point, their CPU folks have a much better reputation. The only thing that comes to mind immediately for them would be things like wanting to discontinue support for early AM4 boards and maybe only having X3D on half the chip with some models. Radeon is definitely way better at turning W's into L's
@@TheDarksideFNothing the asymmetrical 3D chips makes sense at least. Games have diminishing returns on the amount of cache, so the idea is to have the 1st CCD with a lot of cache for gaming and the 2nd CCD clocking higher for non gaming tasks. You can see where they're coming from.
As long as they actually do something about it and whatever issue they had doesn't make it to retail parts, i don't care about the delay. I say the above because I'm reminded of the issues Cyberpunk had despite the devs saying they were delaying to ensure the release was top-notch. It wasn't, evem with the delays. They didn't need a month or two, they needed a year or two.
with everything else going to pot in the world i am glad AMD is taking control of this , i am ok with waiting a couple extra weeks for a cpu that works as well as advertised.
I rather have a functioning product that works as advertised, than a half baked one that doesn't deliver. Apparently the reason for the delay is due to the package issue not the product it's self, maybe it's something to do incorrect specs listed or something.
They been spooked by Intel's quality control, it's a good move imo make sure things are right 100% rather than get later down the road & get criticism & hurt your revenue potential.
They're correct about this video being like their podcasts.. I really didn't know it wasn't the podcast until after they mentioned it and checked the channel name. That thumbnail really suckered me. 🙂
At least they admitting there are problems and delaying them, instead of pulling an Intel and launching broken products. They understand that being risky with such things is never a good idea. Classic learning from your enemy's mistakes. Edit: After seeing the Ryzen 9000 launch... well I don't know why they didn't delay it by like 2 months at least...
Remember some very early buyers of the original Zen CPUs (1000-series) had to get theirs replaced due to stability issues? Pepperidge Farm remembers. If this prevents that sort of thing, that's certainly a good thing.
They were famous for hickups (occasional frame drops etc.). Hope this time they are much better. I don't wanna buy gen 10 because gen 9 had bugs and the only good thing to it to be that it was a new architecture.
Staggered launch = More media coverage Launching after (supposedly) Intel releases their patch = Bigger wins in benchmarks (because the Intel patch will almost certainly make their CPUS slower) Putting out this statement = "Look how responsible we are, replacing all our CPUs, unlike some other companies, eh?"
Thanks for this info and for everything you do HUB! It is because of your channel and others (GN, L1T) calling mfg's out that this was done. I am not sure what 'issue(s)" Amd found, however THANK YOU! for holding mfg's accountable and keeping them honest. I also wonder if Amd did this to not allow Intel to get their current cpu's perf tested against Amd's new cpu's without the new microcode. Fun times either way.
delay is ok, but I agree, I would like to get them out a week or two apart to focus. I would also like to see the X3D Chips come sooner, so hoping for that this time around.
Ryzen 9 is meant for productivity not gaming? What do you mean by that? I'm a video editor, are they made for editing and stuff like that or? I dont really understand that part
15th gen is a fair ways out anyway. Supposedly it will release late this year, but given Intel's last 3 architecture releases (12th, 13th and 14th are the same architecture, mind you) I'm not counting on them to be on time.
Vastly preferable to unstable oxidised CPU's. Hopefully they can figure things out to get a good launch going (without immolating motherboard CPU sockets this time).
The fact that QC caught a problem before production launch is a good thing, weather performance issue or not, it's better to find the issues and fix before going "live". I feel the x3d parts are a different model range as apposed to the non 3d parts. Comparing the 2 is not apples to apples if there is a performance gain then that's great but as long as there is a performance gains from previous model and new are achieved then thats the goal.
What I am curious about is whether 9700x will be more power efficient than 7800x3d or not. With the electricity costs going up this has become a really big point for me. If there was not much of a difference, I would order a 7800x3d today.
I really think the past month of intel issues in the News has scared AMD to really increase the internal testing standards for stability, it also allows intel time to patch some of the stability improvements which could possibly make the New Ryzen 9000 cpus to look even faster in comparison
I'm on a 7950X3D so I'm not going to upgrade unless AMD down the line releases a "9960X3D" with 8 Zen 5 X3D cores and 16 Zen 5c cores. That said: Kudos to AMD for taking the "Tylenol approach" and just slam the breaks rather than send people duds. I've been lucky to not have had any RAMs in the last two decades, but I do remember how utterly frustrating it is to be without your main device for what always seems like eons.
Hoping AMD crushes it with this launch. Intel needs to be put in their place & learn not to release garbage like the 14th Gen was, issues they're currently have not even being included (that makes it even worse). I will be very interested to see what performance differences if any are seen when the X870/X870E chipsets come out, will there be higher memory frequencies supported then but not now on launch? Stuff like that. I hope that the 9000-series gains them some serious market share in the CPU realm. I also hope they've fixed the scheduler issues with the 9950X3D compared to how the 7950X3D has issues, by the time the X3D parts launch, because that's what I'll be aiming to get, a 9950X3D if they have mostly fixed it, or a 9800X3D for gaming if they haven't and I'll just build a separate 'work station' build.
Contrary to the last two X3D families starting launching ~6 months after the initial launch wave, this year there's been at least a rumour (not sure if there were several coinciding or just one or two claims) which got a lot of traction suggesting September, in contrast to the past experience
I have to nitpick here.. Being in the broadcast industry. I basically teach those in front of the camera to talk to the camera because that's where your audience is. Steve does a soso job. His eyes go to the camera often. Tim on the other hand has severe wondering eyes while talking. He does fine when it's scripted. But during a discussion, his eyes practically never go to the camera.
I don't know why it's such a big deal. it's just 2 weeks (which is nothing), and it's good that AMD had good quality control unlike intel, which passes the patching, troubleshooting and headache to the consumers. Since AMD's on top, they could and should take the time to ensure that their products are 100%. But i understood the need to make a mountain out of a molehill for youtube viewerships etc.
Saddy is... kind of a reviewer. He definitely does reviews, retrospectives, buying guides on new & used hardware etc. His reviews are very good and reliable, but he doesn't have the "obsessive methodical scientific approach" like GN, so I kind of consider him more of an enthusiast than a reviewer/journalist, given also his content. Still, a reliable source.
I hope these reviews will include the 13th and 14th gen Intel CPUs with the new limits and adjustments. Reusing the original test results probably wouldn't be accurate.
IMO, I think one of the big reasons AMD decided to do this is they saw the bad publicity Intel is getting and new if they released a product now with the spotlight on Intel issues, AMD would get looped into the same bad PR even if the issue wasn't the same. So they take the 1-2 week delay and make sure their product performs as advertised, no bad PR or bad first impression which lasts long enough for Intel to memory hole their issues. Honestly I think this AMD delay may turn out to hurt Intel more than if AMD had not done it, obviously assuming AMD's launch and product performs as it should when it happens.
Im wanting to upgrade from intel 9th gen soon. I want a cpu and chipset that can use 3 nvme drives at full speed so pcie lanes is important to my decision. Is ryzen 9000 my next build?
AMD has been clawing for every bit of ground it has gained for the last few years. Despite being the superior product in a lot of ways. Beating brand loyalty is hard. Good on them. Definitely don't want to have a recent Intel like, issue happen.
I prefer delaying CPU launches for as long as needed to make them work right over launching CPUs quickly and needing way to long to make them work right
The delay may be inconvenient, but I think that the reasoning is solid and I would much rather face a delay than find that I had bought a defective product.
Yeah I wonder if there will be some last minute BIOS update which is what they're waiting on. I'm waiting for X3D but also maybe just wait for some game when I actually need one.
I guess the mobile counterparts a.k.a Strix Point not affected from the issue because it's monolithic, not chiplet. That's also proof that this problem isn't come from architecture flaw.
i don't think that there's a problem with the product itself, i mean what can they do by just delaying product release in just 2 weeks ? how i'm seeing this is that there's huge spike in pre-orders from enterprise customer because of certain blue company messed up and AMD curently can't fulfill them all, so they decided to shift some retail stock to them resulting in 2 weeks delay.
"Delays are temporary....suck is forever" - fake Miyamoto quote.
Didnt gabe newell say this too?
@@user-mr1ph2ie3e
Think the Gabe quote is "Late is just for a little while, suck is forever"
Patently incorrect: Source, the mainstream Video Game Industry 🤣
A concept that Hello Games have been working for eight years to disprove
its so funny cuz to my knowledge Miyamoto never said this. People just made shit up, same with Pokémon and Iwata
Everything aside, big respect to AMD for delaying their launch due to first shipments not passing QA controls. This takes balls in todays enterprise environment where launch dates and sales take first place in the company KPIs.
They learned from some ryzen 3000 not hitting stated boost clocks.
@@JoeL-xk6bo Yes, all of that show they listen. Manage expectations as previously they have learned.
@@JoeL-xk6bomine was supposed to 4.4ghz couldn’t even do 4.2ghz on one core
@@thecraftedalliance They were extra careful to hit the promised clocks since Zen 3. Every review showed 100-150MHz higher clocks on Zen 3 and Zen 4 than advertised on every model. Not an excuse for their mishap on Zen 2, but it's good that they learned from it.
@@MarioCRO They do not want to compete with their earlier gen, that is the real reason i think.
On one hand we got AMD deciding to postpone their launch to make sure their CPUs are in perfect working order.
On the other hand we have Intel, ignoring stability issues due to voltages and oxidation, for close to 2 years. And even denying RMAs to some consumers.
Can Intel really play this who blinks first game until mid August?
@@aberkae they are going to run out of money
@@aberkae Intel has been pretending these issues doesn't exist for close to 2 years, so another 2 weeks is not that important.
@@spacechannelfiver Intel could operate for years without selling anything "Intel cash on hand for the quarter ending March 31, 2024 was $21.311B"
For two years Intel kept things under wraps but there has been a flood of bad press recently on Intel 13th and 14th gen so I think AMD are trying to take of advantage of the bad press and make themselves look competent.
Italian here, Saddy often does hardware reviews, including old hardware retrospectives. He also made the two CCD point himself, but it was the only one he could get his hands on.
You're arguably the italianiest looking Italian I've ever seen. 🙃
Ero confuso sul perché parlassi di Saddy, poi ho capito 😂
@@Chasm9 LMAO, the funny thing is that Italians give me shit for sounding like an American. Despite the looks you mentioned, I've been treated like a tourist on more than one occasion. Can't win, lol 🤷
Italians unite!
How To Not Release a Dumpster Fire:
Check if your CPU has problems before you launch and sell it to customers.
Instructions unclear: it powers on - ship it! Inbox free unlimited time silicon degradation and BSOD bonus.
Or rather test with consumer motherboards. It could be that Intel’s testing environment used voltage settings that were more conservative than what RoG MSI Gigabyte pumps into the CPUs.
How quickly people forget Bulldozer, which ended up with AMD copping a class action lawsuit 😂
@@darudesandstorm7002because bulldozer are still works even after over a decade, while intel 13th/14th gen will bsod to oblivion after just six months.
Crowdstrike could have saved a couple bucks with this one simple concept of testing
14:11 that's absolutely correct, I'd rather have a single detailed video per product rather than a hour long complicated overview of the whole line-up because it helps when you're actually coming back after a year or two to actually buy something. Many people watching just for entertainment don't understand that and then say reviewers are "milking" views.
Ditto. One compact, well scripted and relevant-for-the-product video on each product is infinitely more useful. Then I can also just send a link to people who want my opinion.
I don't even see the issue even if they WERE doing it to milk views. These reviews take a lot of time and effort to make (not to mention sleepless nights), so it makes sense reviewers would want to squeeze as much revenue out of them as reasonably possible. Can't really fault them for that.
Greetings from Germany and congrats to 1M. Very good video *thumbs up*
"Some of the processors were way off in benchmarking and testing. AMD decided to investigate and found a problem in some processors with the IOD. Apparently salvageable with a IOD swap. Also the 6 and 8 core parts are not affected but recalling as a precaution which is why the delay on these is only a week."🤕 - this seems plausible in regards AMD mentioning issues with packaging in their Tom's Hardware interview.
That's great info if it's accurate.
What is IOD?
@@michalsvihla1403Intel Oxydation Damage
@@michalsvihla1403 IO Die.
@@michalsvihla1403 That's the big die that you see on opened ryzen chips... the bigger of the three chips that you see on a ryzen processor that has been delidded.
When you're already winning, you have time to take.
it's always best to delay a good product than to sh*t out a mid and broken product.
Nobody needs a new processor line release. Hardware has been carrying bad optimized games. The existing hardware is already INSANELY good for whatever we need from them as consumers.
@@Hunti1550 everyone needs better value tho. After the loss of the Ryzen 3 series and the disappearance of the i3 and Pentium lines for the most part, we need better value products again. So these new releases would either give us better value and/or lower prices of older gens.
@@kaiserfakinaway5909 ryzen 5 is perfect value.
This is just a delay to raise prices because Intel is screwed.
AMD has to do only one thing to win, dont screw up and dont shoot their own foot.
Not true. Intel has built up so much good sentiment with their customers over the decades that if they fix this issue, they will be forgiven. And if they fix it in the middle of August when AMD releases these chips, it's going to be a stalemate.
@@DingleBerryschnapps If Intel can fix their chips remotely and not screw up the performance then yeah maybe, it doesn't seems a likely case tho.
You will be surprise how often AMD shoots their own foot, but I expect Intel to be having a rough 5 years ahead thanks to the 13/14 gen problems. People would probably take a wait and see approach on 15 gen.
Intel has lost all good will they ever had by now. AMD is far ahead already, they are in no need to rush Zen 5.
AMD could shit on the boss's desk and still be ahead of Intel at this point.
I enjoyed a post claiming this was just a flex from AMD to say "hey intel, this is how you feck up correctly" 😅
I suppose this is what *not* sending out a CPU with stability issues looks like 😅
Videocardz article this morning 9950x oc to 6ghz with 10 % delta single core in Geekbenchs lol.
Yeah, not like AMD has ever done that before.
And Intel's never sent out a stable CPU, ever.
🤡
😅🤣😂🤣😅 I remember AMD had a cpu burnout problem too
@@charlesbronson1959Because ASUS was going insane with voltage. Didn't happen on any other partner's boards
@@DingleBerryschnapps
Agreed, I actually bitch about this being a huge problem with Radeon to this day, but right now as far as 2024 is concerned, it seems clear AMD’s CPU division is on the ball and Intel’s is still not.
Delaying the Launch is what intel SHOULD have done. AMD did the right thing. Cool your jets people
@@CWWJR absolutely agreed. This is just good practice not some disaster
It took time for the issues to manifest on intel, AMD just had the opportunity given the recent issues to thoroughly recheck given the circumstances. Don't forget, these were ALREADY SHIPPED and ready to be distributed. the only reason they checked was because of what's happening with Intel. If that wasn't the case, these would have ended up in consumer desktops. You have to give credit where it's due, but remember these past AMD QA
This is a braindead take. Intel's issue is degredation. You can't see degredation before it happens. Even in always up server use it took at least 6 months to pop up. How the fuck could they know there's an issue to fix before it presented itself. You guys really need to stop sniffing thermal paste, it's really bad for you. I can already tell your comment will get hundreds up upvotes from other enlightened fanboys.
“out of an abundance of caution”, opposed to Intel's, abundance of errors?
Intel: "out of an abundance of chaos, we just said screw it and shipped..."
Out of an abundance of bullcrap.
Intel has gone with "more powaaaaa" approach that would solve the competition issues and failed big time. Good job for AMD
Tim: "Any company should get leniency for delaying things to ensure that it's as good as it possibly can be."
*Noctua has entered the chat*
Silksong 😢
But not on pricing too
As a sub 130k follower, i give you my congratulatios on the 1M mark! It was a long road :)
Ta biruta
Rookie, I'm sub 30k follower if I remember correctly 😅
I was a sub when the og blue shirt guy started the channel, sit the f down.
This really makes AMD look good with this timing. Intel hides an issue for over a year that's affecting sold products, AMD looks good avoiding even the hint of bad product on the shelves in a rather public way. I could see some thinking the timing is sus. Apparently the rumor of the day is some R9's have bad IO dies or IO dies that weren't quite mounted right. But that's a rando rumo, not even the usual rumor source that get it right once in while.
It really doesn't matter if someone puked on the wafers before cutting the chips up. The only important part is that the product was recalled before anyone got a frustrating experience with it. It's all you've gotta do. The Tylenol-and-cyanide incident taught the world that lesson once and for all: You can face what looks like the biggest PR nightmare in history and still emerge stronger and more trusted if you're up-front, candid and lightning fast off the rail to do the right thing. I honestly wish AMD had spelled the exact problem out.
I strongly prefer a separate video for each cpu, looking forward to them!
The failure to reach maximum boost speeds was with Zen 2. With Zen 3, they understated the maximum boost clocks, so almost everyone got higher-than-advertised speeds, and even people with bad cooling or motherboards with a sketchy BIOS would reach the advertised "maximum" boost speed.
Exactly, Zen 3 launched flawlessly
That's okay - I'm waiting for X3d anyways.
Good to see AMD truly putting in effort to make sure that their chips are good quality. Take notes Intel
It’s a weird thing to of happened.
I guess they don’t want that Intel stink to get on them.
They can’t recall the laptop cpus because they are always soldered onto boards and are shipping.
It's only the desktop Ryzen 9000 CPUs affected, not the AI 300 SoC.
@@erictayet that's the point, supposedly laptop issues may be affected but they aren't saying it cuz it's a hassle to fix
are they any laptop with these cpu's available? I have not seen any advertised or announced anywhere
@@kadj79 i don't think so? laptop cores are phoenix / strix halo cores, while desktop is Granite Ridge
@@chriswho12345 Which would be absolutely mental. Especially after Intel was just caught doing something like that. Do you really believe AMD was like "oh look how bad intel got it right now hold my beer"
The opportunity is just too great. Delay 2 weeks , and get day 1 review benchmarks agains Intel with their patch already applied, which will certainly impact their performance
I kind of the timing was a bit sus myself. Quality Control Issues could be anything. Could be a batch that had their IHS's laser engraved some tenths of a mm off center, the boxes could have been not quite the perfect shade for a color. etc.
but intel only said mid august. I'm sure they could push that to the 20th or whenever they have to... if that is indeed what they are up to. Which it better not be as more intel cpus are degrading by the day.
Intel will just delay the patch
@@kaseyboles30boxes wouldn't matter if they're requesting even the OEM chips back to test.
@@brianrobinson3961 it is a game of chicken. The more intel delays the patch, the more cpus are dying and the more RMAs and legal issues will appear. AMD doesn't care because 1) nobody is touching intel CPUs atm, everyone buys AM5 2) new AM5 boards have not released yet, so potential zen5 buyers will wait for the new boards anyway.
Congratulations on over 1 million subscribers, from a very proud fellow Aussie.
Dane here: Hardware Unboxed is not the only Aussie channel that does absurdly well on TH-cam. Clickspring, The Skidfactory and Mighty Car Mods are also epic Aussie content creators. Australian English is fairly easy for me to digest (if it doesn't get TOO authentic :P) and your laid back approach is very "Scandinavia compatible".
@@andersjjensen I think you have something there. One of the queens (consort?) up that way is Australian I believe. I understand the Prince was pointed out to her and she thought, "I haven't met a prince". So she introduced herself lol.
I know what you mean, our accent can go from Cate Blanchet all the way to Steve Irwin depending where you go 😁
@@jemborg Yes, Her Majesty Queen Mary of Denmark, duchess of Monpezat, is indeed "a Tasmanian export success" to put it mildly. We took to her right away because of her confidant but calm mannerisms. Besides the Royal duties she is also the protector of several humanitarian organisations, and she's an eloquent speaker who has mastered Danish completely. Which is an almost impossible feat. Absolutely a worthy queen for a king who's bloodline is unbroken back to Harold Bluetooth, the last Viking king of Denmark.
Creating pro-AMD content seems like a really good idea on TH-cam these days.
@@andersjjensen
you're welcome 😁
AMD knew that I’ve been impatiently waiting for the next episode of the Hardware Unboxed podcast, so they delayed the launch to give you two something to talk about for 30 minutes. What a nice company, AMD
Smart enough to not be stupid.
In this instance lol.
Never underestimate AMDs ability to shoot themselves in the foot. They're pros at this point.
Glad they seem to have managed to avoid that here.
@@TheDarksideFNothing Wait for RDNA 4.
They will not miss (hope im wrong here).
@@TheDarksideFNothingonly the Radeon division. The CPU division has been on a tear for 8 years straight.
@@RafitoOoO Good point, their CPU folks have a much better reputation.
The only thing that comes to mind immediately for them would be things like wanting to discontinue support for early AM4 boards and maybe only having X3D on half the chip with some models.
Radeon is definitely way better at turning W's into L's
@@TheDarksideFNothing the asymmetrical 3D chips makes sense at least. Games have diminishing returns on the amount of cache, so the idea is to have the 1st CCD with a lot of cache for gaming and the 2nd CCD clocking higher for non gaming tasks. You can see where they're coming from.
As long as they actually do something about it and whatever issue they had doesn't make it to retail parts, i don't care about the delay.
I say the above because I'm reminded of the issues Cyberpunk had despite the devs saying they were delaying to ensure the release was top-notch. It wasn't, evem with the delays. They didn't need a month or two, they needed a year or two.
with everything else going to pot in the world i am glad AMD is taking control of this , i am ok with waiting a couple extra weeks for a cpu that works as well as advertised.
I never thought cpu competition would end up like this.😂
You haven't been paying attention
AMD getting in on the action too lol
Well done AMD. Dont mess up with your product.
There's nothing wrong with the new 9000 series - this is just AMD giving Intel plenty room to get their microcode out. That's what friends are for ;)
The product is finalized already. Too late.
@@Fin1nishingMove Now put 2 and 2 together...Intel's incoming (performance-degrading) microcode + AMD's 'friendly' delay ;)
"Hey better late than fried chip eh"
AMD probably
I rather have a functioning product that works as advertised, than a half baked one that doesn't deliver.
Apparently the reason for the delay is due to the package issue not the product it's self, maybe it's something to do incorrect specs listed or something.
Are you going to buy a Zen 5 CPU? Otherwise your comment is pointless...
@@Fin1nishingMoveCongratulations you've won the award for most useless comment, champ
It would be funny if the main reason they did this is to wait for intel to drop performance to maintain stability with the august microcode update.
They been spooked by Intel's quality control, it's a good move imo make sure things are right 100% rather than get later down the road & get criticism & hurt your revenue potential.
Big gz on the 1 mil !!
I'm completely good with this. I think it's more responsible than sending out faulty parts and trying to patch things after the fact.
They're correct about this video being like their podcasts.. I really didn't know it wasn't the podcast until after they mentioned it and checked the channel name. That thumbnail really suckered me. 🙂
At least they admitting there are problems and delaying them, instead of pulling an Intel and launching broken products. They understand that being risky with such things is never a good idea. Classic learning from your enemy's mistakes.
Edit: After seeing the Ryzen 9000 launch... well I don't know why they didn't delay it by like 2 months at least...
Delay is momentary , suck is forever : Gabe
Remember some very early buyers of the original Zen CPUs (1000-series) had to get theirs replaced due to stability issues? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
If this prevents that sort of thing, that's certainly a good thing.
They were famous for hickups (occasional frame drops etc.).
Hope this time they are much better.
I don't wanna buy gen 10 because gen 9 had bugs and the only good thing to it to be that it was a new architecture.
Staggered launch = More media coverage
Launching after (supposedly) Intel releases their patch = Bigger wins in benchmarks (because the Intel patch will almost certainly make their CPUS slower)
Putting out this statement = "Look how responsible we are, replacing all our CPUs, unlike some other companies, eh?"
I remember we delayed a card in mid 90th cause we found in last second a driver issue, and stopped shipping and repacked all cards with new driver CDs
I can't blame them for wanting to be extra careful considering the intel situation.
Thanks for this info and for everything you do HUB! It is because of your channel and others (GN, L1T) calling mfg's out that this was done. I am not sure what 'issue(s)" Amd found, however THANK YOU! for holding mfg's accountable and keeping them honest.
I also wonder if Amd did this to not allow Intel to get their current cpu's perf tested against Amd's new cpu's without the new microcode. Fun times either way.
The 9900x was optomal speeds as it's running 2400mhz inf fabric with 7200MTS ddr5 (3600mhz) which is still 2:3 just like with ddr5 6000 on ryzen 7000.
delay is ok, but I agree, I would like to get them out a week or two apart to focus. I would also like to see the X3D Chips come sooner, so hoping for that this time around.
Thanks Steve!
I see what you did there.....
Wild guess after intel they want this launch to go perfectly
Definitely a good way to set yourself apart from the competition at the moment. 😬
Two weeks delay is really short… so they do really little in here… or nothing actually.
Ryzen 9 is meant for productivity not gaming? What do you mean by that? I'm a video editor, are they made for editing and stuff like that or? I dont really understand that part
I'll wait for amd. Wouldn't touch a 13th, 14th or even 15th gen Intel cpu
15th gen is a fair ways out anyway. Supposedly it will release late this year, but given Intel's last 3 architecture releases (12th, 13th and 14th are the same architecture, mind you) I'm not counting on them to be on time.
Vastly preferable to unstable oxidised CPU's. Hopefully they can figure things out to get a good launch going (without immolating motherboard CPU sockets this time).
This looks and sounds eerily similar to a podcast I follow.
The fact that QC caught a problem before production launch is a good thing, weather performance issue or not, it's better to find the issues and fix before going "live". I feel the x3d parts are a different model range as apposed to the non 3d parts. Comparing the 2 is not apples to apples if there is a performance gain then that's great but as long as there is a performance gains from previous model and new are achieved then thats the goal.
Well, definitely worth waiting for reviews, we don't want underperforming chips.
Frankly, I don’t think anyone cares about the delay. "Oh no 2 weeks, oh my life is ruined ohhh." lol.
I have a feeling 9000 series architecture is going to really fly with 3d vcache. Hopefully we can get a proper dual ccd this time.
no consumer was actually hurt by the issue. Better later release and fixed than shipped out knowingly broken
What I am curious about is whether 9700x will be more power efficient than 7800x3d or not.
With the electricity costs going up this has become a really big point for me. If there was not much of a difference, I would order a 7800x3d today.
I really think the past month of intel issues in the News has scared AMD to really increase the internal testing standards for stability, it also allows intel time to patch some of the stability improvements which could possibly make the New Ryzen 9000 cpus to look even faster in comparison
I'm on a 7950X3D so I'm not going to upgrade unless AMD down the line releases a "9960X3D" with 8 Zen 5 X3D cores and 16 Zen 5c cores. That said: Kudos to AMD for taking the "Tylenol approach" and just slam the breaks rather than send people duds. I've been lucky to not have had any RAMs in the last two decades, but I do remember how utterly frustrating it is to be without your main device for what always seems like eons.
Better to wait than rush it. Am I right Intel?
Hoping AMD crushes it with this launch. Intel needs to be put in their place & learn not to release garbage like the 14th Gen was, issues they're currently have not even being included (that makes it even worse).
I will be very interested to see what performance differences if any are seen when the X870/X870E chipsets come out, will there be higher memory frequencies supported then but not now on launch? Stuff like that.
I hope that the 9000-series gains them some serious market share in the CPU realm.
I also hope they've fixed the scheduler issues with the 9950X3D compared to how the 7950X3D has issues, by the time the X3D parts launch, because that's what I'll be aiming to get, a 9950X3D if they have mostly fixed it, or a 9800X3D for gaming if they haven't and I'll just build a separate 'work station' build.
Guys, thanks for keeping us apprised of the latest from AMD. I am most interested in the 9800X3D. Any news or estimates on its release? Thanks
Contrary to the last two X3D families starting launching ~6 months after the initial launch wave, this year there's been at least a rumour (not sure if there were several coinciding or just one or two claims) which got a lot of traction suggesting September, in contrast to the past experience
I saw a small inconsistency at 11:38 are the R7 and R5 coming out August 8th or 7th?
Yes.
They are coming out on 8th while their review embargo is a day early on 7th
i have not been around for many CPU releases but this one seams really interesting as far as they go.
This is not the norm lol. Most releases go like clockwork at least what is publicly facing. Who knows how much of a show it is behind the scenes.
I have to nitpick here.. Being in the broadcast industry. I basically teach those in front of the camera to talk to the camera because that's where your audience is. Steve does a soso job. His eyes go to the camera often. Tim on the other hand has severe wondering eyes while talking. He does fine when it's scripted. But during a discussion, his eyes practically never go to the camera.
I don't know why it's such a big deal. it's just 2 weeks (which is nothing), and it's good that AMD had good quality control unlike intel, which passes the patching, troubleshooting and headache to the consumers. Since AMD's on top, they could and should take the time to ensure that their products are 100%. But i understood the need to make a mountain out of a molehill for youtube viewerships etc.
while it's a "nothingburger" you dang well know people would be hounding them about why aren't they making a video or commenting about it..
So, they shouldn't report on it?
I don't see how they are "making a mountain" of it.
Better than having a problem with an already released chip, such as a 14th gen Intel chip.
love the outro tune
Saddy is... kind of a reviewer. He definitely does reviews, retrospectives, buying guides on new & used hardware etc. His reviews are very good and reliable, but he doesn't have the "obsessive methodical scientific approach" like GN, so I kind of consider him more of an enthusiast than a reviewer/journalist, given also his content.
Still, a reliable source.
I hope these reviews will include the 13th and 14th gen Intel CPUs with the new limits and adjustments. Reusing the original test results probably wouldn't be accurate.
They won't. Intel has said "mid August" for the microcode update, so now you can be absolutely sure that means August 16th or later.
@@andersjjensen Yeah, that is bad for Intel, but either way, if you want stability, those CPUs will perform badly against AMD either way.
Better delaying a launch for a week or two than having millions of damaged CPUs a year later.
IMO, I think one of the big reasons AMD decided to do this is they saw the bad publicity Intel is getting and new if they released a product now with the spotlight on Intel issues, AMD would get looped into the same bad PR even if the issue wasn't the same. So they take the 1-2 week delay and make sure their product performs as advertised, no bad PR or bad first impression which lasts long enough for Intel to memory hole their issues. Honestly I think this AMD delay may turn out to hurt Intel more than if AMD had not done it, obviously assuming AMD's launch and product performs as it should when it happens.
Thanks Steve.
Im wanting to upgrade from intel 9th gen soon. I want a cpu and chipset that can use 3 nvme drives at full speed so pcie lanes is important to my decision. Is ryzen 9000 my next build?
Depending on motherboard you can have 2 gen 5 m.2 ssds and 1 gen 4 m.2 ssd without taking lanes from the 16x slot for the gpu on AM5.
AMD has been clawing for every bit of ground it has gained for the last few years. Despite being the superior product in a lot of ways. Beating brand loyalty is hard. Good on them. Definitely don't want to have a recent Intel like, issue happen.
Glad I'm not going crazy. I've been having huge issues with AGESA 1.1.7.0 on multiple different motherboards.
What problems are you having? I want to look out for them. I have a 7800X3D in an ASUS X670E+4090 and a 7700X in a Gigabyte B650+7900 GRE system.
Most recent AGESA is 1.2.0.0a
AMD: This isn't quite right yet, we're delaying it a little to fix it
The boosting issue actually affected Zen 2, not Zen 3.
It's kind of dumb to compare an X3D chip with a regular one for gaming, X3D ones gonna keep winning, even if it's last gen.
I prefer delaying CPU launches for as long as needed to make them work right over launching CPUs quickly and needing way to long to make them work right
I could have done with a video that just covered the facts and had much less speculation.
The delay may be inconvenient, but I think that the reasoning is solid and I would much rather face a delay than find that I had bought a defective product.
These guys are good at yapping.
Though I hate to wait 2 weeks more, I am glad that AMD did the right thing.
Well I already have my 9900X... Amazon let met add it to card instead of pre ordering it. Few days later it arrived in the mail.
I’m fine with AMD being honest and wanting to release a properly working CPU even if it is late and costs them a bit of their advantage against Intel.
Yeah I wonder if there will be some last minute BIOS update which is what they're waiting on. I'm waiting for X3D but also maybe just wait for some game when I actually need one.
Like all new chips it seems the core is pretty good on day 1 and then there is 3-6 months of stabilisation.
CPUs and GPUs are in a great place. You can only push so much. 🙂
I'm interested in seeing how ps3 emulation performace is on these new CPUs with the single cycle AVX-512 support
AMD seen what was happening with Intel and thought "You know what, lets make sure these can boost properly instead. Rather not go down that road".
I guess the mobile counterparts a.k.a Strix Point not affected from the issue because it's monolithic, not chiplet. That's also proof that this problem isn't come from architecture flaw.
I'll be interested to finalise know what the price will be....
Does anyone yet have any idea when the 3D V-Cache Zen 5 CPUs are coming?
I would wait till intel fixed their microcode issue in August. Compete agonist the dialed down voltage version of the I9 cpus.
Well its better than sending out sub par cpu's... >looks< at Intel.
i don't think that there's a problem with the product itself, i mean what can they do by just delaying product release in just 2 weeks ? how i'm seeing this is that there's huge spike in pre-orders from enterprise customer because of certain blue company messed up and AMD curently can't fulfill them all, so they decided to shift some retail stock to them resulting in 2 weeks delay.
Good news INNIT? Why make the same mistakes Inte made? Customer care should always be the over riding priority.
..any info on the 5900xt(16 core/32threads), not much info on the release of them.....?