The Duality of Giorno Giovanna and Diavolo
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Diabolo: Feared enough to be respected.
Giorno: Respected enough to be feared.
good one
This man gets it
Excuse, you meant Diaboro and Jorno?
Dia🅱️olo
But jotaro, you did get clapped :/
Diavolo kept repeating himself, so Giorno made him repeat his death
In words, "Don't say things that are useless."
Giorno made Diavolo repeat his death because he couldn’t think of anything worse than having to repeat something
@@fireswithin9197 "Totally Useless(muda)"
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@@fireswithin9197 but giorno literally said useless MANY times
Giorno had a team to help that put their trust in him, while Diavolo was overconfident in his own broken abilities and thought he had already won the battle. The duality of Giorno and Diovolo's life decisions as a whole, made the world of a difference in their fight.
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say the first sentance to abbachio
say the first sentance to abbachio
@@vitroviokusprianto1327 and yet Abbachio solved the mystery of soft machine on giorno's orders, gave giorno permission to keep investigating fugo's disappearance during man in the mirror while he himself went to get the key, gave giorno the key in when illuso started kicking his ass and fully expected him to pick up on the meaning and run away (he didn't run in the end but not like abbachio could predict that), had 0 complaints when giorno started smashing cars to hide from the hitman team (he basically said "fuck it"), and left his dying message by picking out a chip of broken stone from the pedestal and holding it (meaning that he likely did that expecting giorno to use his powers to send the hard back to the source, though one could conceive he might have just wanted them to search around for it like idiots until they randomly stumble onto the source but that seems unlikely).
Honestly, he mostly only insulted him, preferring to let him do his own thing most of the time since giorno was good at completing the mission, only refusing him twice (at the start of soft machine when he didn't know him well yet and at the start of the king crimson arc since he figured there would be no danger and that bruno should do it cuz capo). Yeah he had his suspicions about Giorno's true goals before they betrayed the gang and hated the kid, but when it came to fulfilling a mission he was clearly ok with letting giorno do his job. You can trust people you hate, as well as give different kinds of trust for different situations.
Diabolo:Broken mind
Giorno:Broken ass stand
Diabolo had a broken ass stand to match too
@@justbny9278 I know but I think Gold Experience Requiem is more op
Mr Platinum Korega Requiem
Bolo
300th like nice
Why do I feel like Kaleb has a philosophy degree
He probably does.
@Jotaro Kujo yes
@Jotaro Kujo friend you look 13 i thought you were 40 last time we met
@@tokyoseclipse8908 who tf are yall? idc yall getting the smoke
@Jotaro Kujo The one where I whooped pucci's ass harder than the bass drop of my theme.
One often meets his destiny on the path he takes to avoid it
Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mistery and today is a gift
Thats why its called present - some fucking wise turtle
@Wojak Kujo Ok
Wait a minu... JOTARO
@Jotaro Kujo
"Yare Yare Daze" - An Edgy boi
Iroh
King Crimson - deletes space so Diavolo can be in the position of a more favourable outcome
Golden Experience Requiem - makes it so an outcome is never achieved
TheBotBuilder the ultimate “no u”
King Crimson- Removes the cause from the effect (skips the time of the cause)
GER- Removes the effect from the cause (example of diavolo, keeps the causes of all his "deaths" but removes the effect of actual death)
If you didn't understand the reach the truth stuff or the only results stuff, that's what it means. It talks about the effects of your actions.
@@snowbringercult that's probably a better way of putting it
@@Lilafelden its not a no u, its more of a NO in capital letters
"If he has to repeat himself more than once he gets annoyed"
7 PAGE MUDA FLASHBACK
it really annoys me when people say diavolo and giorno are the weakest of arakis when such nuance like this is put too see
great job Kaleb quality as usual
because you have to actually dig your nose in far, to get proper meat, which subjectively for someone people is bad. Plus Diavolo is pretty weak, the Doppio reveal is basically instant and you could argue (I dont agree but...) that Giorno winning via GER is a copout
You posted this 2 minutes after the video game out
@@timurtheking I don't think Giorno winning via GER is a cop-out, it was specifically said the Arrow is the way to win
Timuru disagree, giorno is good
Timuru How is Giorno winning via GER a copout when the whole point of that entire arc is that it’s a race for the arrow, and whoever gets Requiem wins?
The arrow was literally established as the way to beat Diavolo before they even got to Rome, that’s the reason they went there...
Edit: I know you don’t agree but I just don’t understand the logic of people who think that
If Giorno made Diavalo die infinitely times
There's a death where the emerald splash hits Diavalo
*Diavolo
That also means that he also dies by being hit by the Thunder Cross Split Attack
@@HeliosimWorld and from German science
Let's not forget that one time Josuke turned him into a rock
@@HeliosimWorld or that Dio stole his body instead of Jonathan's
And the one in which there was a pillar wahman survivor who crushed diavolo with her pillar thighs.
Looking at the duality of Giorno and Diavolo, one thing immediately caught my eye: their stand designs.
The very first time I saw Gold Experience, I thought it was similar to a jester, with the slim build and how the lines ran across its face and body. And King Crismon’s design in obviously one of royalty, but it actual doesn’t have a crown on its head, sorta like a “false king”. Then when Giorno got the arrow and his stand was reborn, GER’s design seemed a little more shredded (especially in the anime), and had an actual crest or crown on its head, signifying Giorno’s ascension over Diavolo
Dethroned the king
Yeah, with this analysis of the two of them, I got some major passin-on-the-torch vibes between the them, albeit by force.
Not going to lie, when I first saw anisui in random panels before I read part 6, I thought that diavolo returned and that female anisui was doppio. I thought that they had returned somehow
Soka before I had finished part five I thought that Diavolo would go to prison and was anasui
I also thought that Anuisui was Diavolo
Is there a particular reason as to why Araki decided to gender-bend Anasui? Apart from maybe making it a weird side story about him trying to marry Jolyne?
YarnHatter I heard this from a video, but it can be because since Anasui can change his genetics with Diverdown, he could have turned himself into a female temporarily to spy on Jolyne in the women’s prison.
carita I guess that makes sense. Not everyone would be approving of a lesbian couple
King Crimson: *deletes cause, leaving only the effect*
GER: *deletes effect, leaving only the cause*
Cause & Effect.
GER is the cause, KC is the effect.
If you know the personality of the heroes and villains, you'll see they kind of have their own duality.
Jonathan/Dio: Jonathan is a classy gentleman with a pure heart/Dio is a monster with no regard for honor or rules.
Johnny/Valentine: Johnny's goal is selfish/Valentine's is heroic.
That's just two examples. The other Jojos are mainly gangsters by heart, so the antagonists are calm and analytical. Really neat thing Araki did.
In my honest opinion, Valentine is extremely selfish. He tries to screw over the rest of the world just so his country is safe. But that doesnt make him a bad villain, in fact, hes one of my favourites
Valentine isn't heroic though.
@@Wuuff but he is not afraid to sacrifice himself for his cause. Johnny's cause is for himself.Valentine is heroic and selfish. Johnny just wanted to fucking walk lol.
*Anal* lytical
@@theredraventr6073 Because Valentine practically cannot die, bruh. Valentine IS a coward, and the Gun Test proves that
Diavolo makes my favorite donuts, wouldn't you agree, Jean Pierre Polnareff?
Ikr. He uses the freshest ingredients. They are always filled with that good red jelly that just pours out.
I mean DIO's might be a bit soggy but there still good
And Giorno's hair is already had 3 donuts.
I’ve had a few from him they’re pretty good
Also makes really good skewers
I think it’s interesting to note too how Giorno is essentially a reconciled combination of two wildly different individuals, Jonathan and Dio, while also being the product of a forced union between those two characters, where Diavolo/Doppio is an entity that is so unable to deal with his own makeup that he willingly splits into two completely separate individuals, almost having 2 bodies
2:14- One can hold secrets if they're still open enough to have a charismatic aura to hide those secrets or being truthful to not let the secrets be overt. Being overly secretive, makes you captivating and makes others curious because people are drawn to the unknown and discovering it- it's human nature.
Damn that's deep as fuck.
Another example on the repetition part: Giorno evolves how he fights across the Vento Aureo, he stops using lifeshot when it's no longer useful and even learns to heal people which opens up a ton of new strategies to use. Diavolo on the other is like a one trick pony with only one strategy: activate King Crimson, blind his enemies if he needs or wants, put himself in position and inmediately strike. Of course that's not all he does but it's what he will always go for at first
2:25- Which is ironically a trope usually associated with shonen or any kind of hero in the hero's journey, refusing the call until the call finds you and forces you to react. It was initially strange that Kamina/Bulat's voice actor was Diavolo since the man usually plays heroic characters. However, being reactionary is generally a standard heroic trope with the proactive being very rare. Giorno who had previously played a hero turned villain in Yugioh Arc and the son of Jojo's most infamous villain, is more self-initiative and willing to take risks. If Giorno was like his dad and Diavolo less paranoid, the roles would be reversed and Diavolo would be the Big Good to Giorno's arising Big Bad.
That makes me wonder, how would the part have been handled if Giorno was like the rest of Dio's sons from Part 6? Like, just as with them, Girono would have an imbalance with his personality. For example, the imbalance giving him more of Jonathon's personality over Dio's, or while he still saves the mafia member, his personality leaned more toward a Dio-esque personality
I’d imagine that Giorno would’ve been more like Diavolo, trusting in his power & intellect alone. Though with that much strength he’d probably gain the downsides, that being more panicky when things go wrong.
Which would eventually, somehow, lead him to defeat by Jolyne & co.
I would've read the Bible more if confrontations between Jesus and The Devil were more like this.
@Giorno Giovanna im number 2
Now there's an idea. A "JOJO" Bible. Well, at least you've still got part 7.
Or if jesus healed people the same way giorno healed mista
I've always thought that Giorno was a perfect synthesis of two opposite wholes while Diavolo had one side in command of the other more subservient side.
Giorno: Accepts his fate → Made him successful
Diavolo: Tries to avoid his fate → Led him to his unfortunate demise... Or demises.
Edit: Holy smokes! I am a casual watcher, I didn't think I'd get that much likes! 😮
Thanks!
Ew cringy edits
@@pork_on Can you make better ones? But on somewhat a newbies' point of view? Lemme know. Lol.
@@kozongaming6748 if you get many likes, don't edit your comment just to acknowledge it. The people in the comments will most likely do it anyways.
@@kek-senpai243 Noted. I won't do it again.
More like Giorno successfully shatters the chains of fate
It's really interesting that you didn't even mentioned fate once, even though it is one of if not on of the most important aspect in JoJo and of Part 5 but also at the same time getting the point across for Diavolo/Doppio !
2:08- If he knew Trish was the only thing that could sense he could've taken Trish, raised her to be his heir/replacement Don in the case that he eventually dies, since she would've likely been willing to obey her dad if he opened up to her since she was initially scared at first, if he were playing it smart, dispatching Bruno who planned to send her away. Thus, keeping the only thing from tracking him and making sure he remained anonymous and nigh-god like as he has a successor who'd deal with things in his footsteps. This would a step of progression, but instead he did what he usually does to those close to him- abandon them at best and murder them at worst because it's too much trouble.
So that’s why his stand is “Golden Experience”
What a fulfilling name
Once said, the result is no more important than the experience on the path to success. And thus GER revert reality back to zero
My man back again with another W
2:44 - 2:52
That's a pretty fancy way to say "camper"
In very simplest form, Giorno is growth and creation (the beauty of life; love, friendship, creating order) and Diavolo is stagnation and destruction (the tyranny of life; despair, anger, ingratitude, evil)
Giorno (GER) : *Remover of effect*
Diavolo : *Remover of cause*
I just noticed a connection between Giorno and Diavolo. Diavolo's personalities consist of two identities. Giorno shares personality traits of two people Dio and Jonathan. They were one in the same but on different sides.
One interesting thing that I just realized is Giorno and Diavolo are similar to Mob and Claw respectively in their attitude towards progress and moving forward.
Wow didn't expect to see a Mob Psycho reference here.
Corona on Italy was so Bad
Italy has a Dangerous Mafia boss with a life creation
And I thought you death Mr President
@@guidomista4778 now you dead
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@@ramadalvin623 NOOOOOOO (Darth Vader sound)
@@jomppidev1845 Purple Haze must've touched the requiem arrow
The Coronavirus is canon to JoJo if Diavolo dies to it
What if everyone in JoJo survived up until part 6? What if everything was going just fine for all the JoJo's (Johnathan and the Zeppelli's live, Kakyoin and Co survive, Griorno's crew survive, etc.) up until the events of stone ocean? What are our odds of surviving or are certain characters worse off for whatever reason?
Edit: Also another video suggestion, what if the JoJo's were born out of order? Say Jotaro and Johnathan switched parts?
Only problem with that scenario is that Stone Ocean wouldn't happen, because if Johnathan survived then DIO can't exist in Part 3, meaning Pucci would never meet him and the events wouldn't take place.
We could just have DIO posses some random bystander.
Dom also i’m pretty sure no one would ever get a stand if DIO was dead, well maybe some people would have gotten stands just by way of arrow, but it’s unlikely considering that the jojo’s all got stands because of DIO, and stands would only exist in egypt, and maybe morioh and italy. but even then, jotaro and joseph wouldn’t even be in any of those locations to get hit by a stand arrow, joseph probably wouldn’t have had josuke, and even then if josuke did exist then he would have to get hit by the stand arrow by keicho, which wouldn’t have happened because his dad wouldn’t have been cooked by DIO’s cells. Giorno would never have even been born period.Jolyne also wouldn’t have a stand, and pucci wouldn’t even be in the story.
Isn’t that just the Ending of EOH
I don't think Jotaro would fit the era Jonathan is from. Depends how much you would be ready to change him how he would fit... but 1:1 Nah, I think it would be weird to have a delinquent like Jotaro to come out of a noble family. I guess he could be one who doesn't want to be part of the noble and goes his own way. Not sure how it would clash with Dio though. And if Jotaro really was a quite kind kid before his teens then he could more like Jonathan in pre-teens. I get this was for Kaleb but here are my rambly thoughts. Would be an interesting video.
Diavolo literally could skip to the outcome of an action without having the past intervene while girono in the end could make sure you'll never reach the outcome while still having the process. Both of these stands reflect each other perfectly and the dichotomy between them is brilliant.
Next up: The Duwangity of Josuke and Kira
Giorno: *respects and disrespects certain people*
Also Giorno: *steals koichis suitcase*
Is it weird that I relate to Diavolo and Kira on such a personal level.
:| want me to find a therapist 4 u
yes
Darryl Jack so you like hands?
I can relate to DIO and Diavolo
I can relate to Diavolo too. His ideology is actually very good, but how he does things is questionable
I would love more "Duality of" videos with the JoJo and the Main Villian. (Because I love part 7) I would love one of these with Johnny and Valentine
Johnny:Nobel actions for a questionable goal
Funny:Questionable actions for a noble goal
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Funny Valentine shares the name of a Roman Holiday
Two sides of the same coin honestly. Another thing that I like to think is that Giorno is the child of destiny. Being the spawn of Dio and Jonathan, the two that started the legendary family that has carried on till today. I'm saying that even in a family of heroes he stands out with the strongest stand and the most resilient blood. He was born to be great. To achieve whatever he so desired. This is as opposed to diavolo who refers to fate a lot (likely because of his stand) and decides he is and will always stay at the high point of his life. However like you touched on, almost the whole series(or as soon as giorno gets involved) he's on the decline and Giorno is the one to rise to his peak (requiem) form by the end... or something like that, this was just a random collection of thoughts so if anyone has any questions or counter points I'd be happy to discuss
I love how this channel grew mostly by Jojo content only
I think within the group dynamic, I see the contrast of Mista and Giorno constantly working together to work because it’s like Giorno gets mista to step back and think while on the other hand Mista spurs Giorno to take action and to just do, not think too hard. Like when they fought Ghiaccio and solved how Greateful Dead worked. Also it kind seemed like Mista was the first to warm up to Giorno and take his ideas seriously.
Nice, i liked how you always search everything from jojo to find connections
Thank you Kaleb for dropping this I always loved these types of vids on duality of character within any series but thanks for coming back with everything going on in da world keep it up bro
You’d expect diavolo to learn to kill properly.
So basically, the son of God causes the Devil to suffer within an infinite Hell.
One of your best videos imo. Really opened my eyes to how much greater these characters are than I ever thought before. Good job!
tbh this is one of my favorite parts of jojo
I really love your videos and analysis. They are so fun and smart. Please keep making them, I can’t get enougj of Jojo. One of the best Jojo tubers that has ever been on the platform.
I almost forgot that Diavolo talked shit to Risotto when the latter was dying. Interesting how he says Bucciarati’s team killed La Squadra, when it was Diavolo‘s refusal that caused the assassins to get involved in the first place
Diavolo caused his own defeat indirectly tbh. If diavolo had treated la squandra better, giorno wouldnt have won
6:00 Also Giorno: *repeats Muda for 7 Pages*
But Muda rush works, and not really annoying
I love your character analysis videos so much. You have pretty good insight into this stuff.
One of the best anime youtubers
Edit:sorry im late
Quality video as always :)
I love this kind of vids because they give me even more reasons to enjoy the characters and how much Araki knows what he‘s doing.
Very inspirational for someone who likes to write stories like me!
I love your character analyses so much
You’re uploading more than usual and that’s very great thank you
You're welcome.
I always see Giorno as one who creates a possibility to win. While Diavolo waits for a possibility.
I honestly love all of your videos
Thanks for making video for me,
Kaleb: "Diavolo and Giorno are intricately complex characters."
Araki: "Haha, muda muda 『KING CRIMSON』 no noryoku"
Are we not gonna talk about how Giorno took down a whole gang qithin a week and took it over. While simultaneously dealing with losing people he had bonded with as the story continues.
Really enjoy these kinds of videos and how passionate you are keep it up man
Funny how all current problens in my life that still exist are because i made decisions like Diavolo in the past
More please. Love watching these
I fucking LOVE these character analysis videos, they’re honestly the reason why I decided to watch part 5
This channel is god tier, and off topic, your voice make is DO much better.
Wow, good video. I find something new here. Thank you!
Very like this format and also waiting for your analysis)
Great vid man really enjoyed the video
I feel like it's also worth noting how Diavolo makes a really big deal during his fight with Polnareff of how he's "defeated his weaker self from the past" when he blinds the latter with his blood. Despite what he claims, what he's saying couldn't be farther from the truth, since as you point out very explicitly in this video, Diavolo is at his core a cowardly, scared individual who isn't willing to take the risk of actually learning from his past and mistakes. Giorno, meanwhile, doesn't ever have to *state* that he's defeated his weaker self from the past; he just does it. Keep up the good work, Kaleb!
Duality ain't everything at all. It's human logic which brings duality to things, it's a way for us to understand things. Like life and death, beginning and end...Those things doesn't properly exists, we just admit they do.
What i mean by that is that a duality between two imperfect being such as Giorno and Diavolo is even more interesting as it is perfectly human cause they have two opposite way of seing things.
shut the fuck up bitch
@@sysyishot7859 Nice. Anyway i just wanted to make intelligent think, no big deal if you don't get it :)
Go upvote someone who just says something that everyone knows already.
I agree
I love these vids man give me a whole other view on the story and characters
Love the comparison of King Crimson to a gimmick in a fighting game, by the way. Diavolo cruised through For Glory spamming rolls until the chad Giorno stepped in and annihilated lmao
nice video , ive enjoyed everything , not rly used to comment video in general but meh .. great videa , great analysis ^^
Another amazing video. Good job.
Diavolo is still going to be dying after the whole universe dies
Hey I don’t usually comment but I really like your videos man you’re very knowledgeable on many types of media thx for the effort
I love how this duality reflects onto there stands
I never really thought that Giorno and Diavolo had such duality. I saw it in Jonathan and Dio in Part 1 and Josuke and Kira and Part 4, but didn’t realise it in Part 5. Great video!
My favourite jojo villan
This video made me realize how well Diavolo and Giorno's stand abilities reflect their different characters. Diavolo represents a person who runs away from their problems, so he has the ability to erase any events that he doesn't want to experience. Meanwhile, Giorno represents someone who learns from their mistakes to grow as a person, and his stand ability is literally making things "grow". Crazy stuff.
So basically, Diavolo can skip the video while Giorno can restart it
It feels more like Giorno would leave a comment (even if disliked) while Diavolo would flag and get it taken down
You have Giorno who helped his crew find diavolo and fought la squadra and then some of the royal guards that protected diavolo
I'm thinking that if la squadra didn't die they would team up with Giorno and Bruno and the others to take down the devil....
Interesting video explaining the narratives of both characters.
nice video as always, thanks for your time
Man, you you can make whole JoJo book because your words are both facts and great!
Diavolo:
I am mean
Giorno:
I’m a good guy
stellan ullholm:
i'm stupid memer
So nuanced and deep.
1:52- It's through our mistakes, we learn to become wiser. The opposite of this is destroying the physical traits of the mistakes in the belief that it's like cleaning a stain, making the room as spotless when it was before- but doing so recklessly, makes an even larger mess. Rather than dealing with it more adaptively, by sending a secret assassin- maybe the ones he could've treated much better financially and respectfully instead of ostracizing them by killing their colleagues- to kill her and be done with it like a proper Don if he were taking his new life seriously.
Instead, Diavolo used the deception of his old days when he was a young man, luring his victims into a false sense of security to kill them and wipe out the evidence- like he did with his foster father and mother, which backfired because the person he was manipulating into delivering Trish so he kill her himself like he did with his previous victims, had more moral standards than the assassins that would've done the job with no complaints- it's the same as his young adulthood, but since his paranoia grew and he has a larger organization, he's a bit more methodical about it than if he remained alone and been a serial killer like Yoshikage- though at the same time, not fully matured.
Loved this!👌🏾
Both characters have a solit in their personas. One becomes whole in the end while the other breaks apart.
Great analogy on The protagonist and the antagonist!
Kaleb you should do podcasts. I believe you would do great. I would listen to it.
Oh yesss a new Video about Part 5, my favourite part!!! :)
Kaleb I.A. and A Scrub for Hire are the gems of this community oml this video was scrummm-di-dee-dum-delicioussss
This is a really great video
Never thought about that very nice video
nice vid bro
Theoretically, Za Warudo has the most Strength out of everyone. GE just punches really fast, Star Platinum got a Massive Nerf, etc. At least up to Part 7 where Tusk Act 4 was introduced.
So basically in a fighting game Diavolo is like a 1 move or 1 combo spammer that if his opponent doesn't know how to counter he will keep doing it over and over. And Giorno is a player if combo 1 didnt work try combo 2 and so on.
This was incredible not only did I just learn more about my favorite anime Jojo I learned a lesson
As another example he explains his ability multiple times to himself and others in and out of timeskip. Just look at his fight with best JoJo milf Bruno
I feel like a lot of people don’t understand how ger works some people think that it’s ability is to cancel time related abilities when really it’s a ability is to cancel abilities