Everyone is entitled to their opinions but I love Sorcery, its not like most games but what it does have is flavor and a depth of decision-making basked into games, but it does have an availability issue and its releases are only once a year so we will see where it goes. But it really is a great game with fantastic artwork. There also is a 10-minute video to learn how to play the game but it does get complex but that in my opinion is the fun of it, but to each their own, but if you haven't tried it, look it up it is a fun game!
Set 3 is adding a lot of nuance to the game. Very excited for it and we'll be putting out a lot more content on it. We'd have tons of gameplay videos on it, but I'm having issues with our recording software (obs) lagging during recordings on their simulator. Huge supporters of it and hoping it picks up, too!
Unpopular Opinion.. The Topps "Attax" cards, especially Force Attax and Match Attax are the best introduction to TCGs for kids, because you can actually learn to play them quickly.. They are one of the most sold TCGs as well
My favorite thing about the Digimon tcg is the foiling on the alts, best of any tcg I've played. The foiling texture on Bloomlordmon having rose patterns? The halos around Shivamon? Great stuff. The art itself is also very solid, for the alts at least.
Your take on sorcery is odd. It's incredibly easy to learn, the official TH-cam channel for the game has a 15 minute learn to play video. Its not similar to magic at all gameplay wise either. Id rather you'd just left it off the list if your take would be this uninformed
There are two people speaking in the video. For this game, one of us had backed it since the kickstarter and the other perspective is from a new player trying to learn and get into some games. The distinction between the two should be obvious. However, I believe the latter opinion to be the most important, though. A new players ability to learn the game and have entry to tournaments is a large part of our scoring and a scene for this game doesn't exist anywhere around us. For each game we reviewed, we also tried it with a handful of other players across several tcgs that we play. This was scored unanimously as the lowest and was the only game to have people want to stop before it was finished. I didn't call it needlessly complex to be rude. It was just the only game people didn't feel they had a real grasp on without having to attempt to find an answer on google, an fb page, or discord every new turn. Their opinions aren't uninformed, they're uninterested. Current and former players for mtg, yugi, pokemon, op, dbfw/masters, digimon, cardfight, fow, and more couldn't get into it. Stores and resellers speak poorly of it's growth. Declining sales, declining interest in games, doubt in longevity scaring early investors into selling, etc. When players, investors, and stores are seeing rapidly declining numbers for the above mentioned, it's a red flag. Stores that carried in the beginning are seeing significant reductions in inventory or just firesold everything and stopped carrying them altogether. The stores that still have some singles likely aren't buying more as I checked the sales velocity on a handful of their remaining inventory and it's working with 1 or 2 copies sold a month. Like I've commented before, though. Us not enjoying something doesn't mean we want it to fail. We wish nothing but the best for anyone involved in the game.
@@thehatcaseonyoutubebuddy if a game says they’re a combo of a few popular games, that’s all there needs to be said. That’s their only way to catch people’s attention?
First time seeing yal channel . White shirt guy love his attitude and outlook of card games in general , definitely understand why he says hes had so much success in tcgs.. fusion world has seen the bottom and i think only has upside from here .. mind u i got my top 8 dueing topku and didnt mind tier 0 allowing for better event prep but yeah super looking forward to the future of it
Thanks, man! Always appreciated! Glad you liked the video and congrats on your top 8. We had a handful of suggestions for games, and we left out a decent chunk that we had up for consideration. Some to let them have more time to simmer and see how they play out. Others were dead games that wouldn't score well based on our metrics so I thought it'd be unfair to mention them. The list of games we wanted to wait to include in a potential part 2 where we see where they fit in the first list are currently: Grand Archive, Union Arena, UniVersus, Final Fantasy, Battle Spirits, and DB Masters. We also tried to figure out if Kryptik is alive or dead, as that one also looked interesting. Did a bit of research and found out they said a few months back that they got a new publisher and a new set was coming, but you never know.
Not sure if I agree with the assessment that Lorcana is simple even at high level play. Specifically the selective mulligan and inking have a lot of opportunity for sub-optimal play, and knowing when/how to quest is also something that can take time to learn.
There are certainly elements that will separate the bad to the average, and the average to the good players. We just felt that in its infancy, it doesn't have as much nuance to it as some of the other games. You definitely have a fair argument.
The argument was pretty funny imo, but I’d probably cut it on the next one 😂 Or maybe you could each have your own list and split screen it. Great video though! Thanks guys
@gabecarmo5969 It's funny you say that because we considered both of those 😆 In the end, we decided to keep the argument because it felt like typical card shop banter.
It's one that we're excited about playing. Have heard good things about the gameplay. The cards we read seem super interesting. Is it similar to another game on this list?
@@ToxicStallGaming It is designed with MTG style in mind how cards read and feel. But has a “mana” system similar to fusion world. Any card can be used as mana but you pay cost all at once. since at the start of the next turn you bring the cards you used as “mana” back to your hand. The comp scene get a lot of support!
There is also Final Fantasy TCG. Also for One Piece are they just going to reprint Luffys and Zoros forever? Not sure how they are going to sustain multiple releases if there are limited characters
@@tylersumners7770 That's fair. I played Yugi since its inception. Factoring in some breaks in the game, I played for a total of approximately 12-13 years. During those years, it was also the only tcg I played. I forgave many of its shortcomings over that time. I'd argue that asking me then, as a current yugi player that would blindly support it through years of poor game design with seemingly zero r&d for power creep, would be a more apt definition of a biased opinion. Over a decade of knowledge and experience in said game should put me out of a category of having an unfair prejiduce to it.
@@tylersumners7770 Definitely agree with having a recency bias towards One Piece, though. I enjoy it and Fusion World so much that I got blinded and wanted them both as goats of tcgs. They still have a lot to prove to see if they can stand the test of time. Longevity is king. It does stem from a genuine belief in both of them to do well and make it into the long term realm of competing with the big dogs after a decade or so. Can always be wrong, but hoping I'm right on those two.
Love shadowverse. Enjoyed the vid. Ex yu-gi-oh player so i understand where dude coming from. Lots of years of it. Debating if i should go back or make it permanent.
Don't let my disdain for yugi stop you. Yugi is still widely played and putting up good numbers for their larger events like nationals and ycs. It's definitely not for me, primarily from issues with gameplay, but also the newish time rules for tournaments, weak prize support, and a myriad of other reasons, but a lot of my complaints are just opinions, therefore subjective. Love that you enjoyed the video despite Shadowverse not scoring too well with us. Like I said in the video, I wish we made a category between Shadowverse and Sorcery because I actually enjoyed playing Shadowverse and will be looking into other decks outside of the ones we picked up to learn it. Play what you enjoy! 😀
So you don’t like Sorcery because you’re stupid? It’s pretty simple and thematic to learn. It’s by far one of the best designed TCG’s. Absolutely terrible take.
Its an ok game , I like the game personally, but they said the truth about being all about investors and whales, in all the groups the main discussion is ¨don't reprint the game¨ *cries* 🤷♂
Yes. We're bad players and bad people. Sorry to yuck your yum. That's just our braindead take on it. We've seen a decent amount of positive reviews of it. Hopefully the people that enjoy it can keep doing so for years to come!
agree with constant tier 0 formats going around is just to much for me don't get me wrong I love yugioh and it's been a huge part of my childhood but its out of control right now
Uhh.. Grand Archive is not in the list!? They have the potential to become the best all-round TCG on the market to date, way better than F&B and OP by a far distance to be honest.. Go figure..
Id say yugioh is goats, it's current format sucks. But u love how complex it can get when you get into interactive states. Not something u really get with most other tcgs. And this is coming from a life long mtg player
No kidding your Digimon has bad turnouts, why would they schedule it at the same time as one piece? The bandai player overlap is gonna kill it most people will pick OP that day.
A lot of the pro-Yugioh arguments sound like cope ngl. Literally all the other points are heavily against it, but "a lot of people play" so it's a great game? Nah, gotta disagree. A lot of people use heroin, but I wouldn't consider that a great hobby.
It failed most of the metrics used to grade these games, but copium is a hard drug to kick. My thoughts and prayers are with dylan while he battles his demons 🙏
Yugioh is still selling more then every other game with exception to magic and pokemon. While I hate current yugioh tcg it's nice if you can play various formats you like. There is a reason their big tournaments are over 2k people and games like fusion world struggle to get 500 at a regional. Unfortunately some people like mike are still reeling from what happened to the game and all the time wasted so they will never forgive yugioh thought and prayers for sure though.
@dylanlink6890 The high attendance is only at their premier events. Daytona 500 sold out last year and performs well on a yoy basis. However, smaller, less prestigious events have seen a steep decline in attendance since 2005. Very similar to yugioh. Notice the deflection there. Very common among addicts. He mentioned the 400+ regional for dbfw by comparing it to a legacy game's Catalina wine mixer event. Tit for tat would be comparing it to yugi regionals, which has about 26 players. 4 of which are different players' cats. To his point, heroin does WAY better sales than yugi. It's not even close.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions but I love Sorcery, its not like most games but what it does have is flavor and a depth of decision-making basked into games, but it does have an availability issue and its releases are only once a year so we will see where it goes. But it really is a great game with fantastic artwork. There also is a 10-minute video to learn how to play the game but it does get complex but that in my opinion is the fun of it, but to each their own, but if you haven't tried it, look it up it is a fun game!
Fusion world is incredible… pre topku and post banlist has been a blast I hope more people pick it up for set 3
Set 3 is adding a lot of nuance to the game. Very excited for it and we'll be putting out a lot more content on it. We'd have tons of gameplay videos on it, but I'm having issues with our recording software (obs) lagging during recordings on their simulator. Huge supporters of it and hoping it picks up, too!
imagine yugioh claims #1 spot again and gameplay becomes even more complex and even more combo heavy
Unpopular Opinion.. The Topps "Attax" cards, especially Force Attax and Match Attax are the best introduction to TCGs for kids, because you can actually learn to play them quickly.. They are one of the most sold TCGs as well
24:52 the real card game talk lol
Accurate name for the channel
My favorite thing about the Digimon tcg is the foiling on the alts, best of any tcg I've played. The foiling texture on Bloomlordmon having rose patterns? The halos around Shivamon? Great stuff. The art itself is also very solid, for the alts at least.
Your take on sorcery is odd. It's incredibly easy to learn, the official TH-cam channel for the game has a 15 minute learn to play video. Its not similar to magic at all gameplay wise either. Id rather you'd just left it off the list if your take would be this uninformed
Also, you obviously didn't give it a fair shot if you didn't know it only releases a set a year
There are two people speaking in the video. For this game, one of us had backed it since the kickstarter and the other perspective is from a new player trying to learn and get into some games. The distinction between the two should be obvious. However, I believe the latter opinion to be the most important, though. A new players ability to learn the game and have entry to tournaments is a large part of our scoring and a scene for this game doesn't exist anywhere around us. For each game we reviewed, we also tried it with a handful of other players across several tcgs that we play. This was scored unanimously as the lowest and was the only game to have people want to stop before it was finished. I didn't call it needlessly complex to be rude. It was just the only game people didn't feel they had a real grasp on without having to attempt to find an answer on google, an fb page, or discord every new turn. Their opinions aren't uninformed, they're uninterested.
Current and former players for mtg, yugi, pokemon, op, dbfw/masters, digimon, cardfight, fow, and more couldn't get into it. Stores and resellers speak poorly of it's growth. Declining sales, declining interest in games, doubt in longevity scaring early investors into selling, etc. When players, investors, and stores are seeing rapidly declining numbers for the above mentioned, it's a red flag. Stores that carried in the beginning are seeing significant reductions in inventory or just firesold everything and stopped carrying them altogether. The stores that still have some singles likely aren't buying more as I checked the sales velocity on a handful of their remaining inventory and it's working with 1 or 2 copies sold a month. Like I've commented before, though. Us not enjoying something doesn't mean we want it to fail. We wish nothing but the best for anyone involved in the game.
@@thehatcaseonyoutubebuddy if a game says they’re a combo of a few popular games, that’s all there needs to be said. That’s their only way to catch people’s attention?
Im late but loving Weiss. NoVa area has high Weiss player base its been really fun learning
digimon is fantastic, there are some special events you can play highlander digimon, its super interesting
First time seeing yal channel . White shirt guy love his attitude and outlook of card games in general , definitely understand why he says hes had so much success in tcgs.. fusion world has seen the bottom and i think only has upside from here .. mind u i got my top 8 dueing topku and didnt mind tier 0 allowing for better event prep but yeah super looking forward to the future of it
Surprised you guys didn't have a take on grand archive .. it's been having a rise
Thanks, man! Always appreciated! Glad you liked the video and congrats on your top 8. We had a handful of suggestions for games, and we left out a decent chunk that we had up for consideration. Some to let them have more time to simmer and see how they play out. Others were dead games that wouldn't score well based on our metrics so I thought it'd be unfair to mention them. The list of games we wanted to wait to include in a potential part 2 where we see where they fit in the first list are currently: Grand Archive, Union Arena, UniVersus, Final Fantasy, Battle Spirits, and DB Masters. We also tried to figure out if Kryptik is alive or dead, as that one also looked interesting. Did a bit of research and found out they said a few months back that they got a new publisher and a new set was coming, but you never know.
can bandai not ruin fusion world and one piece please and thank you
Not sure if I agree with the assessment that Lorcana is simple even at high level play. Specifically the selective mulligan and inking have a lot of opportunity for sub-optimal play, and knowing when/how to quest is also something that can take time to learn.
There are certainly elements that will separate the bad to the average, and the average to the good players. We just felt that in its infancy, it doesn't have as much nuance to it as some of the other games. You definitely have a fair argument.
Sorcery Contested Realm is a masterpiece.
The argument was pretty funny imo, but I’d probably cut it on the next one 😂 Or maybe you could each have your own list and split screen it. Great video though! Thanks guys
@gabecarmo5969 It's funny you say that because we considered both of those 😆 In the end, we decided to keep the argument because it felt like typical card shop banter.
Great video! Would be cool to hear your thoughts on grand archive. They have great company behind the game and awesome tournament scene.
It's one that we're excited about playing. Have heard good things about the gameplay. The cards we read seem super interesting. Is it similar to another game on this list?
@@ToxicStallGaming It is designed with MTG style in mind how cards read and feel. But has a “mana” system similar to fusion world. Any card can be used as mana but you pay cost all at once. since at the start of the next turn you bring the cards you used as “mana” back to your hand. The comp scene get a lot of support!
There is also Final Fantasy TCG.
Also for One Piece are they just going to reprint Luffys and Zoros forever? Not sure how they are going to sustain multiple releases if there are limited characters
Wouldn't that be the same for any card game based off of an IP? One Piece at least has over 1000 named characters and is still ongoing.
This mans denial of his bias is craaazzyyyy. Toxic gaming is an apt name lol.
@tylersumners7770 For or against yugi? Bias goes both ways so I have to check 🤣
@@ToxicStallGaming Against yugioh and for one piece. Both are great games with their own issues.
@@tylersumners7770 That's fair. I played Yugi since its inception. Factoring in some breaks in the game, I played for a total of approximately 12-13 years. During those years, it was also the only tcg I played. I forgave many of its shortcomings over that time. I'd argue that asking me then, as a current yugi player that would blindly support it through years of poor game design with seemingly zero r&d for power creep, would be a more apt definition of a biased opinion. Over a decade of knowledge and experience in said game should put me out of a category of having an unfair prejiduce to it.
@@tylersumners7770 Definitely agree with having a recency bias towards One Piece, though. I enjoy it and Fusion World so much that I got blinded and wanted them both as goats of tcgs. They still have a lot to prove to see if they can stand the test of time. Longevity is king. It does stem from a genuine belief in both of them to do well and make it into the long term realm of competing with the big dogs after a decade or so. Can always be wrong, but hoping I'm right on those two.
Love shadowverse. Enjoyed the vid. Ex yu-gi-oh player so i understand where dude coming from. Lots of years of it. Debating if i should go back or make it permanent.
Don't let my disdain for yugi stop you. Yugi is still widely played and putting up good numbers for their larger events like nationals and ycs. It's definitely not for me, primarily from issues with gameplay, but also the newish time rules for tournaments, weak prize support, and a myriad of other reasons, but a lot of my complaints are just opinions, therefore subjective. Love that you enjoyed the video despite Shadowverse not scoring too well with us. Like I said in the video, I wish we made a category between Shadowverse and Sorcery because I actually enjoyed playing Shadowverse and will be looking into other decks outside of the ones we picked up to learn it. Play what you enjoy! 😀
So you don’t like Sorcery because you’re stupid? It’s pretty simple and thematic to learn. It’s by far one of the best designed TCG’s. Absolutely terrible take.
Its an ok game , I like the game personally, but they said the truth about being all about investors and whales, in all the groups the main discussion is ¨don't reprint the game¨ *cries* 🤷♂
Yes. We're bad players and bad people. Sorry to yuck your yum. That's just our braindead take on it. We've seen a decent amount of positive reviews of it. Hopefully the people that enjoy it can keep doing so for years to come!
Sorcezoo main target are scalpers and collectors, not really the players
fftcg is the such a good yet underrated game
Yugioh is in a terrible state.. its defintely average
agree with constant tier 0 formats going around is just to much for me don't get me wrong I love yugioh and it's been a huge part of my childhood but its out of control right now
There's a reason why yugioh has stood the test of time and it wasn't because it was "average" u guys are on one
How was grand archive not on this list it's sold out everywhere
Uhh.. Grand Archive is not in the list!? They have the potential to become the best all-round TCG on the market to date, way better than F&B and OP by a far distance to be honest.. Go figure..
Id say yugioh is goats, it's current format sucks. But u love how complex it can get when you get into interactive states. Not something u really get with most other tcgs. And this is coming from a life long mtg player
dbs fusion world is good dbs masters is the true goat though lol
No kidding your Digimon has bad turnouts, why would they schedule it at the same time as one piece? The bandai player overlap is gonna kill it most people will pick OP that day.
Yu gi oh is great .. but unbalanced... expensive... cusumer unfriendly
A lot of the pro-Yugioh arguments sound like cope ngl. Literally all the other points are heavily against it, but "a lot of people play" so it's a great game? Nah, gotta disagree. A lot of people use heroin, but I wouldn't consider that a great hobby.
It failed most of the metrics used to grade these games, but copium is a hard drug to kick. My thoughts and prayers are with dylan while he battles his demons 🙏
Yugioh is still selling more then every other game with exception to magic and pokemon. While I hate current yugioh tcg it's nice if you can play various formats you like. There is a reason their big tournaments are over 2k people and games like fusion world struggle to get 500 at a regional. Unfortunately some people like mike are still reeling from what happened to the game and all the time wasted so they will never forgive yugioh thought and prayers for sure though.
@dylanlink6890 The high attendance is only at their premier events. Daytona 500 sold out last year and performs well on a yoy basis. However, smaller, less prestigious events have seen a steep decline in attendance since 2005. Very similar to yugioh.
Notice the deflection there. Very common among addicts. He mentioned the 400+ regional for dbfw by comparing it to a legacy game's Catalina wine mixer event. Tit for tat would be comparing it to yugi regionals, which has about 26 players. 4 of which are different players' cats.
To his point, heroin does WAY better sales than yugi. It's not even close.