Brad, Thanks for the honest review. Glad you enjoyed shooting your force. Awesome that The Force was able to shoot the paint that the Luxe was unable to. That alone will make the difference in winning or losing a tournament, having a fun or miserable paintball day. Remember, if you need any tech support we are here for you. -Alex
Alex Fraige seeing you keep on the great customer service bob always provided really makes me want to get my hands on a force. Keep up the great tradition good sir.
triplep999 great to hear. We are here when you are ready. If you are in Vegas or at any of the nxl events come by our booth if you want to test one out.
That is the legacy of bob long stuff right there. Very excellent machining, diy grade electronics, and wonky pneumatic engineering. (I still shoot a 2012 G6r)
That battery maneuver is some 1998 Shocker S/F 9v hack looking work..... Seeing the inside of the grip took me back to the Defiant and original dually intimidator electronics, at 1200+ bucks in 2020, that board should be a lot cleaner and should be able to self toggle between the lipo and fore-grip, and manage through grip charging to the lipo with out some radio shack hack adapter. Harsh, but, this is a 1200+ dollar gun in 2020 from a very established group (F1/Dynasty).
I agree!!! I think it is a Great first time marker for a new company. I wouldn’t say it is the tip of the spear for paintball in 2020, maybe a game changer in 2015ish. I think Field One built a great launching point for future iterations though. Next generation they can focus on the smaller things like going tooless etc. I really want them to succeed.
Neat features add ons bells & whistles, and SWAG Vs. extremely gentle on brittle paint and known reliability? Some may dig the SWAG, I'll take the reliability over the neat add ons.
Best paintball review channel on TH-cam HANDS DOWN. Not long and boring, you go into perfect depth with all of the visuals and illustrations to help wrap it all up. Stellar vids bro
I feel it is very strange that in the high end serious competition market. People are making a big deal about lack of easy function things like eye covers and battery setup. But not caring about what he said with the paint. I mean when trying to win a competition what really matters. For me being able to shoot brittle paint with no worries comes way before having a nicer screen, or tool less eye covers. Am I wrong?
I know I’m late to comment on this, but no. You’re not wrong. The force is a great gun. Idk what people want a gun to do besides shoot paintballs. All the other crap is just that. Crap. Taking a single screw out isn’t a big deal. But the eclipse fan boys can’t take jack woods balls out of their mouths long enough to admit anyone else has done something right.
Looks like a great gun, awesome that it is good with brittle paint. Like others have stated, if the V2 can have an updated exterior appearance and maybe shave the weight down a bit, it’ll be rock solid!
Very cool transparent review about the gun man! I think nothing you said was bad in anyway about the gun. It was just a purely honest opinion. I too am super happy to hear Dynasty purchased Bob Long which is now field one and definitely want them to be successful and I am sure this is just the start to their careers as company owners, manufacturers and design specialists. I think we are going to see a lot of great products come from them in the future no doubt! Their just getting started so I think they will learn alot from the Field One Force and go on to make even better high end markers for us to enjoy!
You don’t need a vice grip to remove that part of the bolt. Those rubber grips you use to help open jars, a rubber grip sleeve, or anything else that can provide some grip onto the bolt and an allen will do the trick. I will concede it is not as easy as some of the other high end guns though.
I totally agree. I love feild one, dont get me wrong, since Dynasty has been my favorite pro team since I first watched them play on T.V. back in '03, which is what inspired me and my friends to switch from years of playing in the woods only to playing speedball, and since the Bob Long markers have also been my favorites all along since I was introduced to them in '03 and my favorite team now owns and runs the B.L. product line, I do have a gigantic bias for their company's brand, but I have yet to save up for a new marker because, while the FORCE does offer some more up to date technology than my updated victory, I dont feel I can justify saving up that much money that doesn't have some of the features that exist on other new markers that I find would make life much easier than some of the shortcomings of my OLED'D VIS Engine'd V1. What changes t the force that would encourage me to pick one up are:, have toolless eyes and eye covers to make cleaning much quicker at the field should they get obstructed for whatever reason, and toolless grip panels. detent that have no chance of wearing out suddenly during play (I hate those old intimidator/spyder style rubber nubbin detents), and detents who's springs are not exposed when removing eye covers. Nothing more annoying than having to replace microscopic sized springs that spring to life when removing the eye covers. It would be just nice to see the detents and eyes that are built into the eye covers that many other new markers have. The rest of the marker I have no complaints about.
Function over form.....it apparently shoots brittle paint better than the other 2020 guns. Personally, I'd take consistent performance over looks all day...
Better than our older stuff, sure. That said though, some do it better than others these days. If you watched this whole video you would hear him talk about the Luxe X he tested before the Force not being able to shoot more than half of his old brittle paint clean, while the Force shot it all with zero issues. Start the video at 9:50 it'll only take about a minute of your life to see what i was referencing (I saved you some time...you're welcome) then comment again on if you still are laughing at my comment.
excellent review, and totally agree. the gun is a catch 22 like you said, because it feels like a tank and the machining of the gun is absolutely flawless. but i also feel like the electronics remind me of an Ion, especially the dreaded ribbon wires and overly exposed board. also the bolt design is a major flaw.
I want a gun that has Bluetooth streaming audio or at least a headphone jack so I can bop some Nick Jonas on the field. A Twitter feed on the OLED would be sick too bro.
Fantastic review I couldn't have described the force better myself. We have a similar deal with the hand thing except my fingers are fat on top of large. I had the exact love hate with the forgrip you did.
I enjoyed this video as I’m about to buy a force. Currently run a Geo and would just enjoy a second gun in general. I think the brittle paint would be a seller for me. I play through winter unlike a lot of people. My geo4 has had a couple breaks here and there and my emf100 is about a weekly broken ball. The price is a bit high but a lot of the electronics etc aren’t a worry. I care about performance and shot. They shoot great and feel great(imo)
Rubber jaw channel lock pliers, and hockey tape. How I force turn anything without marring or wrecking finish etc. Few wraps of the tape, and grab with rubber jaws on the tape. Small rubber strap wench, whatever. They make tools for such work, but the hockey tape is kind of a fail safe.
A couple things: 1) You do not want to (nor should you) use *standard* vice grips on the bolt head when separating it from the ram shaft. You want to use *padded* vice grips. Since most folks don't carry this tool in their field kit, you can use a rubber glove, t-shirt or something along those lines. The bolt head and ram shaft don't need to be torqued to hell....just snug them up by hand and you're set. The small oring on the bolt-head end of the ram shaft is there to add friction between the two to ensure they don't accidentally come apart during use. Snug up by hand, remove by hand. It's not rocket science and those of us with Victories (the VCOM is a Victory, BTW), Onslaughts and Insights have been doing this for years. 2) The "adjustable" foregrip is one of the worst design decisions I've ever seen on a high end paintball marker. Nobody (and I repeat, NOBODY) is going to use the marker with the foregrip in the rear position, and 6 year olds are not buying high end markers. This design decision compromised the profile of the area behind the foregrip, creating an ergonomic dead end. The flat spot where your thumb rests and the near-90° transitions are flat-out uncomfortable. Field One, from one engineer to another - that was a silly decision. Please don't make that same mistake again. 3) I'm of two minds with the Nucleus, at least in regards to your segment on disassembly. On one hand, I'm used to it (long time Victory/Insight/Onslaught owner), I'm a big boy and I know what I'm doing. The Nucleus is a big boy engine for folks who know what they're doing, not the 17 year old kid that still picks his nose and eats what he finds. It's not completely tooless, uses some non-standard seals and is a bit "different thanks to those decisions. On other other hand, the industry has shifted toward KISS/fool-proof designs for the 17 year olds previously mentioned (no offense if you're a mature 17 year old). The Force bucks this trend and presents maybe a "less intuitive" product. 4) Agreed on the overall build quality and fit/finish of the Force, which is outstanding....and believe me, I looked for problems. I love the frame-mounted solenoid, wireless contact pads (good component choice, F1, those will hold up well), fastener sizes, radiused trigger guard. Very well done on this respect. 5) Lack of efficiency - this is my second big complaint, next to the poor foregrip ergos. I see a mix of Insight/Onslaught and VCOM characteristics in the bolt system, but the Nucleus manages to be *less efficient* than the latter. I understand that reliability and paint handling were your main design targets (which you nailed), but come on....1200 shots from a 77ci tank is pretty darn poor. Additionally, when it comes time to replace that rear internal ram u-cup, that will be a huge pain. My conclusion: You can afford to have poor foregrip ergonomics OR poor efficiency, but not both. I love certain aspects of the marker, I really wanted to support you guys, but those two items were the dagger. I look forward to your next attempt. Good review, Brad.
Brad said he got 6 pods + a hopper on a 3K psi fill on a 68 ci tank. That's not so bad IMO. The deal breaker for me is the non-adjustable auto-off timer. It turns off after 15 minutes, and that's that. I'm old, dammit...in a scenario game, it might be a 5 minute walk to the respawn, then a 5 minute rest, then 5 minutes back to the fight. Then, you pop up to shoot someone and nothing happens! This happened the first time I bought a Bob gun with a Frenzy board (it's the same situation). I had to order an older-style frame from Dirty Works and run down a Tadao board to get around this rather vexing problem.
Shouldn't really need a Vice grip unless someone goes bzerker mode tightening it. The Marq has a similar design for bolt removal and I used to get away with a jar/lid gripper and an Allen key.
Always watch your reviews.. I think of the force like a high end 4x4 pick up truck that could climb a tree but has manual roll up windows and you still have to get out and lock the hubs. Other than that it will run with anything.... So if you dont mind locking the hubs then..you got a brittle paint shooting sherman tank.
At the top end of the market it’s mind blowing to me how totally not tooless this is compared to the competitors. Luxe X, CS2, M3S are all completely tool free to change/charge battery, clean eyes, remove grips. This is like a gun from 2015, no chance.
im a huge fan of Bob Long guns. i was super sad to see the G6r fade out. i loved that gun soooo much. this is honestly the video i needed to see. im about to get back into the game and need a new gun. i was excited to see this gun being offered and knowing its retaining a lot of the bob long quality. however as you said, the value seems underwhelming for whats offered. the overall design also just seems lacking. its milling and visuals are just a little to simple. theres no doubt the gun shoot and preforms well. i just cant get behind spending that kinda money for this. hope their next gun steps it way up on over all design.
Coming back to this review and I don't know, I think went a little down, but hindsight is 2020. It should be cheaper. I think their wins though, are kind of proving this review a little down. Great 1st gun. Will need to upgrade the bolt and go tool less but I think there's a market for them.
I am getting back into the sport after a 10 year break and I am trying to catch up with all the changes. How will this shoot compared to my Angel A1 Fly? So far I haven't found a reason to replace it.
Seems dumb to do sometimes but with what you said about your old defy paint, is there any paint that is "good" to stock up on during pro shop sales? One that I could keep around for a while until I burn through it all without having to buy new paint every time I play
Tyler Cady don’t know it’s this will help or not, but I stocked up on 10 boxes of standard APX paintball for $20 a box. My local pro shop was having a sale. It’s not tournament grade , but it’s works pretty well with my CS2. Haven’t had a break yet, and it shoots straight. I bought it in early December of last year, and it’s still shooting great. I have 3 boxes left.
@@elaihsanzo9863 Cool. That's kinda what I was looking for. I usually use HK Select or Premier but if it sits more than a couple weeks after I open it it becomes so brittle I can't use it without breaking half in my 170r.
The marker screams 2013. The bolt may be semi-innovative (unbelievable it isn't toolless) Foregrip seems gimmicky to me- the "short position" looks unusable. Pair that with the ribbon wire and 4 screws and it becomes a hassle. They could have done the batteries so much better. No tooless grips or eye covers. Agreed- cheap-looking electronics. This doesn't appear to do anything better than other offerings but comes with dated tech. Love the review!
The adjustable grip is something I've hoped to see on a high end marker for a while but this is not how it should be done. Normal length or too short even for mini fanboys? Makes no sense. Also, why are ribbon wires still a thing?
The luxe is a much nicer gun the build quality is much better and the repair ability is much better also the engine is easier to service the person complaining about breaking paint should probably check the paint size and there barrel insert size that is probably why you broke paint because the luxe is extremely gentle on paint the luxe is also lighter by 8 to 10 ounces that doesn’t sound like much but it is definitely noticeable so in my opinion the luxe is a better more luxurious option
A couple points, this marker isnt really based off of the Victory it's more based off of the Onslaught. Something to note about BL designs is that they have a break in period that's rather long. It will only shoot better as it gets used. BL markers usually will usually shoot better (sometimes remarkably better) with a little tuning, unlike most other markers these days. I love the ergonomics on the late BL markers. All the other companies are on this trend to stretch the marker out as far as possible, which is why I dont think I will ever use my CS2 again. The CS2 shoots great, but unless you have long arms it's not really ergonomic. One more thing when taking the bolt system apart it's not likely that you will actually need a vice grip. Depending on the part, there are a lot of tricks to getting it open easy.
@@PaintballRuinedMyLife yo it's Taylor from way back. We played on Rodents together lmao. I'm just starting to get back into it. Cool to see you in the scene making content.
The "Force" is overpriced, should be at the same price level like a DSR/170R/XLS and there's no need to use u-cup seals..i mean..dlx and pe can built guns with regular seals and they shoot buttery smooth and consitent..
The design really lets me down, it's so bland and boring. The resale on these are terrible as well, people are losing tons on them for a year old gun, seeing 1k all over the place on the BST. We know that Bob Long can really make some beautiful guns and I think they need to redesign this marker as well. I'm sure it's a solid performer but for me personally looks are huge in my world.
I have to agree...I mean put this thing next to a g6r just to compare the looks of it, and the Force looks like a $250 gun imo. It's just kinda blocky and boring...like whoever designed it just didn't care how it looked.
6 pods and a hopper is less than 8 pods, thats dog shit efficiency, ices get 10 and cs2/x gets 12...not to mention its heavier than any otehr guns, louder than any other gun. It has no redeeming qualities imo
I don't understand what Field one was think with the design on this gun, it's literally the ugliest Bob long gun EVER! I want to love it but for that to happen it need a more Intimidator/Marq/Vcom look to it...
Bob Long gun designs have always been that way. They require some kind of specialized tool or in this case Vise Grips lol to disassemble a part. Don’t buy one unless it’s going on a picture frame! Forget it. It’s overpriced to be in a frame
Brad,
Thanks for the honest review. Glad you enjoyed shooting your force. Awesome that The Force was able to shoot the paint that the Luxe was unable to. That alone will make the difference in winning or losing a tournament, having a fun or miserable paintball day. Remember, if you need any tech support we are here for you.
-Alex
Alex Fraige seeing you keep on the great customer service bob always provided really makes me want to get my hands on a force. Keep up the great tradition good sir.
triplep999 great to hear. We are here when you are ready. If you are in Vegas or at any of the nxl events come by our booth if you want to test one out.
I like this. Good customer service. Biggest selling point for me. Contacted my local dealer to get set up for a player edition when they drop. 🤙
You sir just sold me a force..
Brandothereal we have your back!
Can't tell you how refreshing it is to get an HONEST review from someone, feels like that's pretty rare these days. Great review! Love your videos!
really is. so many schills out there now. year later yes, correct also yes.
I’m glad Dynasty bought Bob Long, hope they have huge success but I’m waiting for the new intimidator
It has been confirmed that the G7 is in development!
@@pollackrocket ryan said in his podcast it wont be called the g7r
That is the legacy of bob long stuff right there. Very excellent machining, diy grade electronics, and wonky pneumatic engineering. (I still shoot a 2012 G6r)
Yep hahaha very well said. Although I think the electronics are tick about DIY now.
That battery maneuver is some 1998 Shocker S/F 9v hack looking work..... Seeing the inside of the grip took me back to the Defiant and original dually intimidator electronics, at 1200+ bucks in 2020, that board should be a lot cleaner and should be able to self toggle between the lipo and fore-grip, and manage through grip charging to the lipo with out some radio shack hack adapter. Harsh, but, this is a 1200+ dollar gun in 2020 from a very established group (F1/Dynasty).
I agree!!! I think it is a Great first time marker for a new company. I wouldn’t say it is the tip of the spear for paintball in 2020, maybe a game changer in 2015ish.
I think Field One built a great launching point for future iterations though. Next generation they can focus on the smaller things like going tooless etc.
I really want them to succeed.
First gun out for them, their is going to be a leaning curve. Great video, " Long Live Bob Long"!
Neat features add ons bells & whistles, and SWAG Vs. extremely gentle on brittle paint and known reliability? Some may dig the SWAG, I'll take the reliability over the neat add ons.
Best paintball review channel on TH-cam HANDS DOWN. Not long and boring, you go into perfect depth with all of the visuals and illustrations to help wrap it all up. Stellar vids bro
I feel it is very strange that in the high end serious competition market. People are making a big deal about lack of easy function things like eye covers and battery setup. But not caring about what he said with the paint. I mean when trying to win a competition what really matters. For me being able to shoot brittle paint with no worries comes way before having a nicer screen, or tool less eye covers. Am I wrong?
I know I’m late to comment on this, but no. You’re not wrong. The force is a great gun. Idk what people want a gun to do besides shoot paintballs. All the other crap is just that. Crap. Taking a single screw out isn’t a big deal. But the eclipse fan boys can’t take jack woods balls out of their mouths long enough to admit anyone else has done something right.
Pro tip: use an exalt rubber reg grip to loosen a bolt that's been sitting or tightened too much.
Just bought the F1 Force Magma. Most beautiful gun I've ever seen and it absolutely shreds.
It’s pretty crazy that I got shot by Ryan Greenspan with this thing
Looks like a great gun, awesome that it is good with brittle paint. Like others have stated, if the V2 can have an updated exterior appearance and maybe shave the weight down a bit, it’ll be rock solid!
Very cool transparent review about the gun man! I think nothing you said was bad in anyway about the gun. It was just a purely honest opinion. I too am super happy to hear Dynasty purchased Bob Long which is now field one and definitely want them to be successful and I am sure this is just the start to their careers as company owners, manufacturers and design specialists. I think we are going to see a lot of great products come from them in the future no doubt! Their just getting started so I think they will learn alot from the Field One Force and go on to make even better high end markers for us to enjoy!
My first thought when I saw the original blueprints... Dynasty switched from PE after buying Bob Long, but wanted a CS1 by their own design.
Dynasty was shooting Bob Long VCOMs before this.... when were they on PE?
Had a chance to hold one of these at the field the other day. This thing is HEAVY. Compared to my 170R/DW barrel it felt like double the weight.
You don’t need a vice grip to remove that part of the bolt. Those rubber grips you use to help open jars, a rubber grip sleeve, or anything else that can provide some grip onto the bolt and an allen will do the trick. I will concede it is not as easy as some of the other high end guns though.
I totally agree. I love feild one, dont get me wrong, since Dynasty has been my favorite pro team since I first watched them play on T.V. back in '03, which is what inspired me and my friends to switch from years of playing in the woods only to playing speedball, and since the Bob Long markers have also been my favorites all along since I was introduced to them in '03 and my favorite team now owns and runs the B.L. product line, I do have a gigantic bias for their company's brand, but I have yet to save up for a new marker because, while the FORCE does offer some more up to date technology than my updated victory, I dont feel I can justify saving up that much money that doesn't have some of the features that exist on other new markers that I find would make life much easier than some of the shortcomings of my OLED'D VIS Engine'd V1.
What changes t the force that would encourage me to pick one up are:, have toolless eyes and eye covers to make cleaning much quicker at the field should they get obstructed for whatever reason, and toolless grip panels. detent that have no chance of wearing out suddenly during play (I hate those old intimidator/spyder style rubber nubbin detents), and detents who's springs are not exposed when removing eye covers. Nothing more annoying than having to replace microscopic sized springs that spring to life when removing the eye covers. It would be just nice to see the detents and eyes that are built into the eye covers that many other new markers have. The rest of the marker I have no complaints about.
Good review! Field one really dropped the ball especially being 2020. like dude that thing looks like it came from 2012
Function over form.....it apparently shoots brittle paint better than the other 2020 guns. Personally, I'd take consistent performance over looks all day...
Kevin gorchinski guns have BEEN reliable and BEEN able to shoot brittle paint this isn’t something new 😂
Better than our older stuff, sure.
That said though, some do it better than others these days. If you watched this whole video you would hear him talk about the Luxe X he tested before the Force not being able to shoot more than half of his old brittle paint clean, while the Force shot it all with zero issues.
Start the video at 9:50 it'll only take about a minute of your life to see what i was referencing (I saved you some time...you're welcome) then comment again on if you still are laughing at my comment.
excellent review, and totally agree. the gun is a catch 22 like you said, because it feels like a tank and the machining of the gun is absolutely flawless. but i also feel like the electronics remind me of an Ion, especially the dreaded ribbon wires and overly exposed board. also the bolt design is a major flaw.
I want a gun that has Bluetooth streaming audio or at least a headphone jack so I can bop some Nick Jonas on the field.
A Twitter feed on the OLED would be sick too bro.
we need more features!!!
Fantastic review I couldn't have described the force better myself. We have a similar deal with the hand thing except my fingers are fat on top of large. I had the exact love hate with the forgrip you did.
I enjoyed this video as I’m about to buy a force. Currently run a Geo and would just enjoy a second gun in general. I think the brittle paint would be a seller for me. I play through winter unlike a lot of people. My geo4 has had a couple breaks here and there and my emf100 is about a weekly broken ball. The price is a bit high but a lot of the electronics etc aren’t a worry. I care about performance and shot. They shoot great and feel great(imo)
Never easy keeping that critical eye in focus. Nice review!
Rubber jaw channel lock pliers, and hockey tape. How I force turn anything without marring or wrecking finish etc. Few wraps of the tape, and grab with rubber jaws on the tape. Small rubber strap wench, whatever. They make tools for such work, but the hockey tape is kind of a fail safe.
A couple things:
1) You do not want to (nor should you) use *standard* vice grips on the bolt head when separating it from the ram shaft. You want to use *padded* vice grips. Since most folks don't carry this tool in their field kit, you can use a rubber glove, t-shirt or something along those lines. The bolt head and ram shaft don't need to be torqued to hell....just snug them up by hand and you're set. The small oring on the bolt-head end of the ram shaft is there to add friction between the two to ensure they don't accidentally come apart during use. Snug up by hand, remove by hand. It's not rocket science and those of us with Victories (the VCOM is a Victory, BTW), Onslaughts and Insights have been doing this for years.
2) The "adjustable" foregrip is one of the worst design decisions I've ever seen on a high end paintball marker. Nobody (and I repeat, NOBODY) is going to use the marker with the foregrip in the rear position, and 6 year olds are not buying high end markers. This design decision compromised the profile of the area behind the foregrip, creating an ergonomic dead end. The flat spot where your thumb rests and the near-90° transitions are flat-out uncomfortable. Field One, from one engineer to another - that was a silly decision. Please don't make that same mistake again.
3) I'm of two minds with the Nucleus, at least in regards to your segment on disassembly. On one hand, I'm used to it (long time Victory/Insight/Onslaught owner), I'm a big boy and I know what I'm doing. The Nucleus is a big boy engine for folks who know what they're doing, not the 17 year old kid that still picks his nose and eats what he finds. It's not completely tooless, uses some non-standard seals and is a bit "different thanks to those decisions. On other other hand, the industry has shifted toward KISS/fool-proof designs for the 17 year olds previously mentioned (no offense if you're a mature 17 year old). The Force bucks this trend and presents maybe a "less intuitive" product.
4) Agreed on the overall build quality and fit/finish of the Force, which is outstanding....and believe me, I looked for problems. I love the frame-mounted solenoid, wireless contact pads (good component choice, F1, those will hold up well), fastener sizes, radiused trigger guard. Very well done on this respect.
5) Lack of efficiency - this is my second big complaint, next to the poor foregrip ergos. I see a mix of Insight/Onslaught and VCOM characteristics in the bolt system, but the Nucleus manages to be *less efficient* than the latter. I understand that reliability and paint handling were your main design targets (which you nailed), but come on....1200 shots from a 77ci tank is pretty darn poor. Additionally, when it comes time to replace that rear internal ram u-cup, that will be a huge pain.
My conclusion: You can afford to have poor foregrip ergonomics OR poor efficiency, but not both. I love certain aspects of the marker, I really wanted to support you guys, but those two items were the dagger. I look forward to your next attempt. Good review, Brad.
Brad said he got 6 pods + a hopper on a 3K psi fill on a 68 ci tank. That's not so bad IMO.
The deal breaker for me is the non-adjustable auto-off timer. It turns off after 15 minutes, and that's that. I'm old, dammit...in a scenario game, it might be a 5 minute walk to the respawn, then a 5 minute rest, then 5 minutes back to the fight. Then, you pop up to shoot someone and nothing happens! This happened the first time I bought a Bob gun with a Frenzy board (it's the same situation). I had to order an older-style frame from Dirty Works and run down a Tadao board to get around this rather vexing problem.
1:52 😂. Pleweibth 😂😂😂
Hahaha Its actually plebious.
You should design your own gun with supreme branding
Imagine if they just skipped on the battery front grip and installed a picatinny rail there. So many options!
Why would you say something so controversial, yet so brave?
.......but it’s a speedball gun........
@@paintballfollower1985 ... with a custom grip.
It wouldn't be difficult to make a custom grip.
speedball marker with a tipx masterkey to shoot first strikes
Shouldn't really need a Vice grip unless someone goes bzerker mode tightening it. The Marq has a similar design for bolt removal and I used to get away with a jar/lid gripper and an Allen key.
Love the shot and feel of the gun but agree with the value part wouldve like to see tooless eye overs grips lower feedneck and a better screen
Always watch your reviews..
I think of the force like a high end 4x4 pick up truck that could climb a tree but has manual roll up windows and you still have to get out and lock the hubs.
Other than that it will run with anything....
So if you dont mind locking the hubs then..you got a brittle paint shooting sherman tank.
Great analogy! 👍
Looks like a high end marker from 10 years ago but that's when I used to play so I kinda like it lol 😆
At the top end of the market it’s mind blowing to me how totally not tooless this is compared to the competitors. Luxe X, CS2, M3S are all completely tool free to change/charge battery, clean eyes, remove grips. This is like a gun from 2015, no chance.
Lol werent the cs1, m2 and luxe all available in 2015? All tooless. Yes, this gun not being tooless was a very bad decision in this day and age
"Bob Long was a company and uhhh a person". Hilarity my man.
Btw Alex Fraige also goes by fresh eggs, eggs, scrambled eggs, Alex, L, Alexander... whatever and weighs 145 wet...
im a huge fan of Bob Long guns. i was super sad to see the G6r fade out. i loved that gun soooo much. this is honestly the video i needed to see. im about to get back into the game and need a new gun. i was excited to see this gun being offered and knowing its retaining a lot of the bob long quality. however as you said, the value seems underwhelming for whats offered. the overall design also just seems lacking. its milling and visuals are just a little to simple. theres no doubt the gun shoot and preforms well. i just cant get behind spending that kinda money for this. hope their next gun steps it way up on over all design.
Love the truth and view points. ❤
Coming back to this review and I don't know, I think went a little down, but hindsight is 2020. It should be cheaper.
I think their wins though, are kind of proving this review a little down. Great 1st gun. Will need to upgrade the bolt and go tool less but I think there's a market for them.
Great review brad!
Thank you sir 😃
I am getting back into the sport after a 10 year break and I am trying to catch up with all the changes. How will this shoot compared to my Angel A1 Fly? So far I haven't found a reason to replace it.
I personally think it looks cool. To each his own.
Seems dumb to do sometimes but with what you said about your old defy paint, is there any paint that is "good" to stock up on during pro shop sales? One that I could keep around for a while until I burn through it all without having to buy new paint every time I play
Tyler Cady don’t know it’s this will help or not, but I stocked up on 10 boxes of standard APX paintball for $20 a box. My local pro shop was having a sale. It’s not tournament grade , but it’s works pretty well with my CS2. Haven’t had a break yet, and it shoots straight. I bought it in early December of last year, and it’s still shooting great. I have 3 boxes left.
@@elaihsanzo9863 Cool. That's kinda what I was looking for. I usually use HK Select or Premier but if it sits more than a couple weeks after I open it it becomes so brittle I can't use it without breaking half in my 170r.
Tyler Cady after only a few weeks? That’s interesting. What weather do you play in? How do you store your paint?
@@elaihsanzo9863 SoCal, 110 degree summers. And it sits either in my bedroom or in the garage if I know I won't play for a while
I don’t even play paintball but you are like the morgan freeman of paintball
How do you not mention the Bob long autococker. The man has been top shelf since he built the shelf
I wonder if a strap wrench would be a better alternative to a pair of locking pliers.
If it were bigger probably, the bolt tip is so small that trap wrenches never really work right
The marker screams 2013.
The bolt may be semi-innovative (unbelievable it isn't toolless)
Foregrip seems gimmicky to me- the "short position" looks unusable. Pair that with the ribbon wire and 4 screws and it becomes a hassle.
They could have done the batteries so much better. No tooless grips or eye covers. Agreed- cheap-looking electronics.
This doesn't appear to do anything better than other offerings but comes with dated tech. Love the review!
Are they by chance going to to a make a mechanical version?
Probably not the gun would require a major redesign.
I really like the Z grip. Any thoughts?
Здравствуйте, подскажите лучший механический маркер?
I feel like the vcom is better with the vis engine and the price difference is crazy
You ever still shoot the Force once in a while?
Sounds like a good gun but I’m sorry I’m a planet eclipse to the heart
The adjustable grip is something I've hoped to see on a high end marker for a while but this is not how it should be done. Normal length or too short even for mini fanboys? Makes no sense. Also, why are ribbon wires still a thing?
Ashraven PB i also fail to see how ANYBODY would want that shorter setup. Most irrelevant “feature” ive ever seen
You did it!
Made in the USA. Ill pay more for that. Support our economy!
Thanks for the support!!!
Im 100% on board with supporting your local economy.
ryan greenspan I appreciate what all of you guys are doing. Thank you for continuing the bob long legacy:)
The luxe is a much nicer gun the build quality is much better and the repair ability is much better also the engine is easier to service the person complaining about breaking paint should probably check the paint size and there barrel insert size that is probably why you broke paint because the luxe is extremely gentle on paint the luxe is also lighter by 8 to 10 ounces that doesn’t sound like much but it is definitely noticeable so in my opinion the luxe is a better more luxurious option
4 world cup wins later....
PBRML merch review please!
12:25 hating on the DSR?
FoolishGaming
He loves the DSR. Kinda surprised me that he skipped over it.
Interesting
can we get a shooting video
There's one on this channel, I uploaded at the same time of this video.
alright appreciate it man
A couple points, this marker isnt really based off of the Victory it's more based off of the Onslaught. Something to note about BL designs is that they have a break in period that's rather long. It will only shoot better as it gets used. BL markers usually will usually shoot better (sometimes remarkably better) with a little tuning, unlike most other markers these days.
I love the ergonomics on the late BL markers. All the other companies are on this trend to stretch the marker out as far as possible, which is why I dont think I will ever use my CS2 again. The CS2 shoots great, but unless you have long arms it's not really ergonomic.
One more thing when taking the bolt system apart it's not likely that you will actually need a vice grip. Depending on the part, there are a lot of tricks to getting it open easy.
No vice grips, but needing "tricks" is still a problem.
6 pods and a hopper out of a high end gun please I get 10 pods out of my planet eclipse guns
Nope you can get 9 plus pods out of planet eclipse guns
Yo, is this Brad from NorCal?
Possibly I do live in Northern California.
@@PaintballRuinedMyLife yo it's Taylor from way back. We played on Rodents together lmao. I'm just starting to get back into it. Cool to see you in the scene making content.
Hey brother do you recommend me any good barrel for a mini gs please tell me
There are many many barrels to pick from. On a budget the CP one piece, no budget Freak XL.
Paintball Ruined My Life thanks bro love ur vids♥️
No
Ugly gun, but aside from that, loving to see that subscriber growth.
Sad, it Sounds so good when Shooting:/
A bolt that requires vise grips to disassemble? Is that a joke?
@Jason Henley I wouldn't want to use vise grips to remove a drain plug either. I would consider a car that required it to be a poor design.
Am I the only one that thinks it looks cheap?
It’s kinda ugly honestly I’m sure they’ll figure that out
The "Force" is overpriced, should be at the same price level like a DSR/170R/XLS and there's no need to use u-cup seals..i mean..dlx and pe can built guns with regular seals and they shoot buttery smooth and consitent..
The design really lets me down, it's so bland and boring. The resale on these are terrible as well, people are losing tons on them for a year old gun, seeing 1k all over the place on the BST. We know that Bob Long can really make some beautiful guns and I think they need to redesign this marker as well. I'm sure it's a solid performer but for me personally looks are huge in my world.
im selling mine
Will Liang what color?
Travis Mosher the same color from the video
How much?
@@crash86ed 1250 shipped obo. find me on facebook
I don’t think it’s worth $1500…..my shocker amp shoots smoother.
I'd rather just get an Etha 2 no disrespect
They want way to much for what it is for sure
How I felt when I shot it, except i think its ugly compared Bob's designs
I have to agree...I mean put this thing next to a g6r just to compare the looks of it, and the Force looks like a $250 gun imo. It's just kinda blocky and boring...like whoever designed it just didn't care how it looked.
👎🏼👎🏼 love the tm40
6 pods and a hopper is less than 8 pods, thats dog shit efficiency, ices get 10 and cs2/x gets 12...not to mention its heavier than any otehr guns, louder than any other gun. It has no redeeming qualities imo
Frava I think your numbers are off.
Yeah those numbers aren't near what I have read..
I don't understand what Field one was think with the design on this gun, it's literally the ugliest Bob long gun EVER! I want to love it but for that to happen it need a more Intimidator/Marq/Vcom look to it...
why has it always been popular to post guns resting on concrete or other abrasive surfaces
DSR better value
Yeah for sure, I think so too. Love the DSR.
These markers aren’t worth 1000, let alone 1500.
They seem to work pretty damn well for Dynasty so I think its worth the same as other highends are.
Well, they’re reliable enough to win World Cup so they must be worth a decent amount
I'm sure it shoots great but IMO it's ugly and cheap looking.
that gun looks like a 300$ rental gun.
Why your wife didnt iron yours shirt?
The force is a $600 tops.... nobody is going to pay $1500 for it
This thing looks ugly and cheap. Especially that front grip
Jason Henley hopefully I will one day. Any sort of competition in the market is a good thing
Bob Long gun designs have always been that way. They require some kind of specialized tool or in this case Vise Grips lol to disassemble a part. Don’t buy one unless it’s going on a picture frame! Forget it. It’s overpriced to be in a frame
Bob long specialized tools?.. not a thing unless you meant Allen keys, I own a dozen Bob's and need no vice grips unless something changed..
The force is kinda shit..
The things is as ugly as a ion
Ugly, heavy, overpriced