Yes, these are great in the snow. On the road, it is extremely confidence inspiring in snow and slippery conditions. I live in northern Michigan and, personally, Snow Mode has always gotten me out of every situation I've needed it to. You just have to gain that muscle memory for the throttle modulation needed to put the proper amount of power down evenly. But, it is fun to switch it over to Mud Mode every now and then too. 😄
@@landonmorel3715 Have you had issues with one? Ours has been great. Other owners I've talked to have claimed no major issues either. Also, I'm a former mechanic and have friends who are mechanics. They all seem to think quite highly of Grand Cherokees as well. Even mechanics who work for competing brands have told me they think it's great suv. I've also read that it has great quality and reliability ratings.
I have an 06 Limited with the Hemi and the Quadra-Drive 2 system and it’s great in rain and snow. We got some big snowstorms around my area in 2020 and it handled it with ease. And I run regular all season tires. You can’t mash the accelerator when you pull out; but as long as you know how to drive, it’s fantastic.
Snow mode is superior when driving normal on a road vs playing in a parking lot. The purpose of snow mode is to prevent wheel spin, which contributes to sliding lateral or longitudinal. So, if you need wheel spin then you’ll have to take it out of snow mode, but put back for max traction once on the road again.
Never owned a Jeep of any type but, I do love watching them do their thing in mud, snow or off-road. Thanks for an awesome year of vehicle reviews and all the hard work. Merry Christmas to all at TFL.
Blizzaks on my Jeep transforms it when it comes to snow. You can have all the mechanical/electronic bells and whistles, but dedicated snow tires is where it's at -- especially when you're trying to stop.
"Snow" mode also forces the transmission to start in second gear so you get less wheelspin off the line. Nice for controlled starts from traffic lights but pretty useless when stuck. With it on I can't even climb over the berm the snow plow pushes into my driveway entrance as the traction control just says "nope". The first thing I do in my 2012 Overland is turn off traction control if it's being a downer, but mud mode works too. ;)
I'm glad you explained that. I personally can't stand the snow mode because I prefer being able to accelerate when I know I'm going to need the momentum. I didn't realize it was actually starting in 2nd, but that explains a lot
As a previous tire technician, I appreciate the fact that they emphasize that’s it mostly all about the tires. But, to be fair, the grand Cherokee is amongst the greatest “snow rated vehicles” ever. I want one. Specifically this one. Is it for sale? Lol
A lot of folks where I’m from in NWPA don’t really get that. They think that because they have “all season” tires on & AWD, they’re ok. I’d prefer a 2WD car with 4 dedicated snow tires over an AWD car with all-seasons in the snow. The difference is dramatic!
It's all about the tires in snow. I drove a FWD car while living in Blackhawk, CO and had no problem in the snow because of the Blizzaks I had installed. Tires>AWD in snow.
My wife loves her 2020 WK2 Trailhawk. I ordered ours from a friend who owns a Jeep dealer. I paid $51k CDN dollars in March 2020 after all factory rebates. Ours we optioned with the luxury package and the HID/LED option which I noticed yours doesn't seem to have. In almost 2 years of ownership still 0 issues and the Pentastar engine combined with the ZF 8 speed transmission is a great combo. We are still on the original Goodyear Kevlar A/Ts but will be getting new rubber next winter. We don't take ours off road because we have a TJ Rubicon for that type of adventure. But for trips up north to the camp and Canadian winters the WK2 is not a disappointment by any means. Great video TFL thanks and a very Merry Christmas to everyone everywhere.
I’m fortunate enough to have a Raptor and I’ve found snow and slippery mode is for driving down a slick road. When you pull up to an intersection with deep or heavy snow the traction control pulls the engine down so far it feels like it’s going to die. Last year I found a flip of the switch to mud and sand lets you blow through the drifts and heavy stuff. It’s much more fun too.
These are unstoppable in the snow with the QDII 4WD system. The ELSD is extremely sophisticated in its programming and actuation. Unfortunately, Jeep had to compromise on the stock tires to makes these more suitable for the street and hwy. We have a '19 Summit and the first thing we did was swap out the Bridgestone for a set of Nitto Ridge Grapplers. Excellent combination of on-road/off-road capability and excellent in the heavy snow we get here in northern NH.
I use Rotiva's on my RAM. They are rated for all seasons, have the snowflake on them and show wear from 100, 80, 60, 40 and 20%. Great, smooth tire (almost no road roar and vibration like the KO2's) and they work great in mud, snow and wet conditions.
I used to have a 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited with Nokian Hakka R2s for the winter time. It was unstoppable! My mom used to have a 2011 and she ran studded Nokian Hakka 9s. We had all terrains that we used the other 3 seasons. We both loved our Jeeps in the snow, never an issue and always got where we needed to go even when we had 18”+ of snow.
More fun to drive in the snow with the stock tires for sure but when I put on the dedicated snow tires, it turns into a tank in the snow. I’ve never had any issue with the snow we get up here in Canada 🇨🇦 and I usually go out looking for fun after a big snow fall! Merry Christmas guys!
Merry Christmas to you guys at TFL Studios. You've become my go to vehicle review watching on TH-cam this past year. Keep up the great work. We got snow here in NY on Christmas Eve now rain 🌧 😔
Merry Christmas to the entire TFL Team! Best dedicated snow tires I have ever experienced (and that has been a lot) are Bridgestone Blizzaks. They do tend to wear down faster so you don't want to run them in the off season, but for severe winter driving, they are superb. 🌨
Have a set of Firestone weathergrips on my crv and the little bit of snow 3inches we had they cut through like butter hardly any wheel spin mashing on the gas .. if u looking for all season tires with the peaks. They were better than the triple tread Goodyear's I had . Plus they are more quiet on dry pavement too.
Sold my 2018 GC just before lockdown and regretted it ever since. Seemed like the right thing to do at the time but now of course values have rocketed here in the UK...in fact my car is now worth at least £10k more than I sold it for! Great cars, very underrated imo. Incredibly difficult to replace here in the UK. Not sure if the new shape one will cover so many bases at the price point this version did.
Big mistake my wife has a 2018 a real gem, planning to keep it to 2030 or longer. I bought a 2021 Laredo for myself in October and it was very hard to find even in Michigan where the damned thing is built. Paid $6k more than the 2018 to get it due to scarcity and lack of decent year end discounts.
Its called "3-Peak Mountain Snowflake" rating, seriously that is the official "snow tire" rating now and it makes a huge difference, those tiles with this rating have greatly improved snow performance and have tremendously improved ice traction performance.
Merry Christmas from Germany. Great video. 👍 Our GC brought us through some tricky snow storms in the mountains and did things we never thought it could do. My recommendation would be Sand instead of Mud when you need more wheel spin. Keep doing these kinds of videos. Snow is a much more realistic condition most Jeep drivers will face than real off road driving.
In 2019 bought a new Grand Cherokee Limited Hemi, the first thing I did was ditch the Bridgestone Ecopia tires and got a set of Continental All Terrains. Made a world of difference on road, off road, snow etc. Anyway, Merry Christmas Roman and Tommy!
I would take old school lockers over the computer controlled traction control any day. If you ever get a chance you guys should do a deep dive into what each mode actually does. I know you mentioned snow mode does not allow as much wheel spin as mud mode. I wonder why that is?
Snow mode ends up being more for getting traction on ice IMO. It limits wheels spin. For a bit more winter fun, mud mode allows the Jeep to cut it up 😊
@Zachary Elias Because mud, in most situations, is "thicker" than snow, so Mud Mode gives you more traction to get the vehicle out of stickier situations
Almost all cars that have a snow mode, it's actually a slippery mode, it's not meant for deep snow, that's how it's programmed. Take for instance land rover and the terrain response. The mode is called grass-gravel-snow, and the purpose of the mode is to prevent tire slip and loss of traction.
I have the predecessor this Jeep, a 2005 Grand Cherokee Limited. No adjustible suspension, pretty basic in comparison, but with the right tires (BF Goodrich Advantage TA Sport) it gets me everywhere, including deep snow. I never need to swap tires whether it's on the freeway or on my way to Tahoe in a heavy snowstorm. No tire chains necessary.
Merry Christmas everyone and congratulations on having snow, we're a little snowless here in East Tennessee but hey we absolutely LOVE watching your channels and Thank You for another great video once again on the Jeep Cherokees. I personally LOVE the Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk and I'm personally excited for the new 2022 but patience is a virtue I've always been told my entire life. Have a Blessed day everyone
Just get dedicated winter setup. Yes you may stretch some A/S to 60 or 70k, but as we just saw those tire were barely able to get you around new, performance will drop off a cliff after 20k and dangerous once worn to 5/32. Modern winter tires wear quite well when used only in winter and can usually rack up 40k before wearing to 5/32 - the point they should be replaced. A set of A/S and a set of winter will cover 100k of driving and you'll never put a tire on the road in winter with under 5/32 or 3/32 in summer.
I'm with Roman, ( with due care and attention , of course ) 'giver 'er the beans when on a clear road with no traffic and lots of snow! It's called 'fun driving' Tommy. LOL!
I have a 2018 Trailhawk, 275/65/18 Toyo AT3’s, and I freaking love it. Haven’t tried snow yet but I’m planning on it this week. My dad has a 2021 WK2 Trailhawk and he loves his Jeep too. They’re great rigs.
Just to clarify, the Trailhawk does have an electronic locking rear differential. He mentioned it was a limited slip, which it sort of resembles via brake control. But, in certain settings of your Selec-Terrain, the rear diff will 100% lock.
100%. Growing up in the snow belt area of Lake Ontario, momentum is king for getting unstuck in deep stuff, and the snow modes are more for keeping you on the road.
It is, snow mode also starts you out in 2nd gear rather than 1st reduce slipping starting off. Which is great on roads taking off from a stop but kills you in deep snow.
Call me biased, but my Forester (a base model 2002) and Grand Cherokee (another base model from 2009) were nearly on-par with each other in terms of just how INCREDIBLE they were in the snow. Brand new snow-rated all-seasons on the Subie, Wildpeak AT3W's on the Grand, and both of them just tore up snow and I wasn't afraid of a thing. We'll see if my 2017 Highlander can hold up lol
In north Idaho and have a 2017 GC TrailHawk 5.7L. During the winter I run studded snow tires. I haven’t found anything challenge yet that 4Wheel low doesn’t simply walk out of. Great vehicle on/off road. Jeep nailed it on this one.
My 2019 Limited X was the best car I have driven in snow. With a good set of winter tires, it was pretty much unstoppable. I have not had enough snow to try out my new 2021 model but it should be just as exceptional.
I spent ~ $700 for 4 new after market 16 inch wheels. (American Racing) And ~ $750 for 4 new General Altimax ARTIC 12 snow tires. (3 peaks rated) size 225/55r/16. The tires are mounted on the after market wheels (to preserve the original manufacture wheels (about $500 each to replace) and will be dedicated to winter driving only. I put these tires on my 2004 Mercedes’ E320 (4-matic). These tries have completely changed the vehicles ability to safely navigate in snow and on clear/plowed highways. It’s very important to maintain the proper air pressure according to the vehicle manufacture specifications. The snow tires out perform others because they stay pliable at temps below 40 degrees. Most other tires get hard and loose their effectiveness, especially at temps 32 degrees and below. The 3 peaks snow rated tires far out perform the others at these lower temps. And the difference is substantial. It’s literally the difference of spinning tires and going no where (vs) moving forward and navigating safely and confidently. In todays financial environment, a minor auto repair costs $1-2k. e.g., replacing a plastic from bumper skin, because you slid into a snow filled ditch. Another factor to consider is the cost of a tow truck or recovery vehicle. One recovery can easily cost $200-300. Tire experts all agree that having the proper tires for your driving conditions is critical. I’m also curious to know if your vehicle owners manual specifies / recommends “snow rated” (3 peaks) tires for use in snow mode. Great Father Son video. You guys make a great team.
Winter tyers don't melt off on tarmac, in Europe we use them when temp goes under -7 Celsius, you can use them for 2-3 years with no problem. All seasons are ok but don't expect much on ice or 10cm snow.
Merry Christmas, TFL!! You guys are starting to feel like family as I've watched so many videos over the past few years! God bless in the New Year and keep the reviews and news coming!!
I got rid of my 2018 overland because it started having electrical problems especially with the adaptive cruise and automatic braking. But I live in Oregon and I tried every winter to get it stuck and just couldn’t. It was a beast in the snow and sand.
This made me feel much better about my Michelin X-Ice snow tire purchase for my GC. It's silly to invest in one of the best snow vehicles out there and not have the tires to match.
I’ll say it once and a thousand times. I absolutely love when these 2 are together alone. Father and Son bickering is so natural. You can’t fake it. Tommy says “be nice around these guys, they are wussy’s” and what does the old man do in reply? He goes wide open throttle and laughs!!
I have found on many new off road vehicles (suv) that the normal 4x4 mode works best for all terrain types. People actually think if they get stuck when in a mode then that’s it, no options. Having wheel spin available is needed for natural feeling.of terrain your in.
We’ve owned 2 Jeep Grand Cherokees. A V-6 and a V-8…the HEMI by far was better. But both were fantastic vehicles. Once the kids moved out…we went to Cherokee. Merry Christmas…
Let's get Tommy to get his '01 JGC in the deep snow with the old school 4WD system without all the fancy gizmos. That should make for a very interesting comparison. What do you think, guys? :D
I run cooper at3 which is a 3peak rated tire for all seasons that has a 70k mile warranty and is made in USA. Also not all 4wd are made equal. My wife a Hyundai palisade and I have an explorer. Hers cuts power with any spin in any mode. Mine will allow slip in most modes. Snow mode shifts power a lot but doesn’t trip traction like your Cherokee did.
The thing about SNOWY scenic areas is the Post Card worthiness of it all. The bad part is the treacherous roads, and all of the Dang Shoveling. Enjoy, Merry Christmas to you and the entire TFL Family.
I run blizzak vm-2 on my 2016 Overland EcoDiesel and it's probably the best car in the snow I've ever driven. I will often turn off trac control and put it in sport mode to play around.
One of the Ford F250's that I owned came with Pirelli Scorpion tires on it from the factory. I've never been stuck so many times in a truck as what I was in that truck with those tires. They are absolute 100% garbage tires. I ended up replacing them when they were only about 1/2 worn out because I was sick of getting stuck every time I turned around. The BFG's I replaced them with were 10 times the tire that the Pirelli's were.
all depends on the tires! But i will say 6 inches of snow is nothing. My 2021 Kia K5 AWD sedan made it through 7.4 inches of snow no slippage or nothing. mind you i have winter tires. (Michelin Xice 13)
I just purchased the 2021 Grand Cherokee L version. It’s 4x4 but it’s the non selective one. I’m heading to Flagstaff this next up coming weekend. I hope it does well
I have the same tyres (Pirelli Scorpion Verde All Season Plus 3 M+S) on my Summit and they are great. Excellent maneuvering on road, quiet and comfortable, high mileage and good performance offroad. Off course not compared to aggressive tires but compared to street tyres, they are one of the best.
I'm so glad you decided to get a wk2 to lead into the new grand cherokee. We have a 2016 grand cherokee that we put wrangler duratrac tires on and it does great in all conditions.
Merry Christmas guys! I have a 21 Altitude. It only has Quadra Trak I , but with proper winter tires, (Blizzaks) it rarely even spins in snow. It's a great vehicle and crushes it in the cold stuff. Have a great New Years!
I drive a 2016 Grand Cherokee Laredo E. Still on the original tires. I don’t use snow mode for 6” of snow. I think your tires are a problem. My Laredo does have the Off-road adventure package and no air suspension.
I own a 2019 Trailhawk (V6) and run Cooper Discoverer AT3 tires. Between blizzards in Buffalo, NY (my original home) and ice/snow in the mountains of western NC (my current home), the vehicle in the snow is... boring honestly. The terrain control is so good, I had no worries driving downhill around winding turns while sipping my coffee with one hand. Despite almost 8 inches of snow with ice underneath it, I never felt like I was going to get stuck. The low-end torque from a V8 would be nice, but the V6 did just fine. It feels a little more balanced front-to-rear when you slide and I can typically squeeze about 480-500 miles out of the 24-gallon tank (obviously meant to handle to V8's thirst as well). Snow mode was actually a nuisance to me because of its tendency to accelerate slowly. If you grew up with snow driving, it's easier to just stay in the automatic setting and feel your way with the accelerator. So from someone christened by lake effect snow at birth, I give it a 9 out of 10 (with decent tires and heated seats/steering wheel) in terms of snow driving.
Jeep Wrangler or Grand Cherokee are my top two choices in snow, although our Ford F-150 & previous Ram 1500 do/did just fine when weighted in back. 👍🏻 I see Subarus & Teslas getting stuck here in the Sierras; mostly because some owners think AWD gives them “full capability” … often they’re on all-season tires 🤨.
Can’t wait for y’all to haul this over to Moab! I rarely use snow mode in my 2018 for all the reasons you discovered. Mud/sand is fun in the snow but it’s all about the tires. I have found that my 2018 is not inspiring on ice: the rear wants to walk out.
Merry Christmas guys! Enjoying your content as I wait for everyone else to wake up this Christmas morning! I believe the three peak/snowflakes are referred to as “Severe Snow Service” rated. Now that I’m living in real mountains and running up the canyons, I actually swapped out the KO2s on my Landcruiser (for the winter) for Nokias Hakkapellita R3 SUVs because even the KO2s got overwhelmed at times last winter in deep snow. Won’t know until a season of this whether there’ll be a difference, but having the softer compound can make a real difference in the slipperiest conditions. The more aggressive treads clearly provide better traction off-road, but for snow driving, I think the compound is the key.
Thanks for doing this video. I just got my new 2021 Grand Cherokee after waiting 6 months for it. I now know what the snow mode does. I now know how to turn the thing off when it does more harm than good. Great tip on using mud mode. I will turn the traction control off too. I learned how to drive in snow without any help from computers. Merry Christmas TFL
Happy Holidays to the entire TFL crew. Your reviews, commentary and analysis are now part of my every day viewing. Stay safe and have some fun out there on the road.
Yes, these are great in the snow. On the road, it is extremely confidence inspiring in snow and slippery conditions. I live in northern Michigan and, personally, Snow Mode has always gotten me out of every situation I've needed it to. You just have to gain that muscle memory for the throttle modulation needed to put the proper amount of power down evenly. But, it is fun to switch it over to Mud Mode every now and then too. 😄
too bad they can’t stay out of the shop
@@landonmorel3715 Have you had issues with one? Ours has been great. Other owners I've talked to have claimed no major issues either. Also, I'm a former mechanic and have friends who are mechanics. They all seem to think quite highly of Grand Cherokees as well. Even mechanics who work for competing brands have told me they think it's great suv. I've also read that it has great quality and reliability ratings.
We have just over 200k miles on our 2015 grand Cherokee with no issues or repairs at all other than an o2 sensor.
I have an 06 Limited with the Hemi and the Quadra-Drive 2 system and it’s great in rain and snow. We got some big snowstorms around my area in 2020 and it handled it with ease. And I run regular all season tires. You can’t mash the accelerator when you pull out; but as long as you know how to drive, it’s fantastic.
My 2021 Limited X is absolutely amazing in snow. With a good set of winter tires, it is unstoppable.
Snow mode is superior when driving normal on a road vs playing in a parking lot. The purpose of snow mode is to prevent wheel spin, which contributes to sliding lateral or longitudinal. So, if you need wheel spin then you’ll have to take it out of snow mode, but put back for max traction once on the road again.
Never owned a Jeep of any type but, I do love watching them do their thing in mud, snow or off-road. Thanks for an awesome year of vehicle reviews and all the hard work. Merry Christmas to all at TFL.
Blizzaks on my Jeep transforms it when it comes to snow. You can have all the mechanical/electronic bells and whistles, but dedicated snow tires is where it's at -- especially when you're trying to stop.
"Snow" mode also forces the transmission to start in second gear so you get less wheelspin off the line. Nice for controlled starts from traffic lights but pretty useless when stuck. With it on I can't even climb over the berm the snow plow pushes into my driveway entrance as the traction control just says "nope". The first thing I do in my 2012 Overland is turn off traction control if it's being a downer, but mud mode works too. ;)
I'm glad you explained that. I personally can't stand the snow mode because I prefer being able to accelerate when I know I'm going to need the momentum. I didn't realize it was actually starting in 2nd, but that explains a lot
As a previous tire technician, I appreciate the fact that they emphasize that’s it mostly all about the tires. But, to be fair, the grand Cherokee is amongst the greatest “snow rated vehicles” ever. I want one. Specifically this one. Is it for sale? Lol
A lot of folks where I’m from in NWPA don’t really get that. They think that because they have “all season” tires on & AWD, they’re ok. I’d prefer a 2WD car with 4 dedicated snow tires over an AWD car with all-seasons in the snow. The difference is dramatic!
@@chriscon8463 Exactly! 👍
The greatest terrain management software in the world is useless if it isn't connected to the road
It's all about the tires in snow. I drove a FWD car while living in Blackhawk, CO and had no problem in the snow because of the Blizzaks I had installed. Tires>AWD in snow.
My wife loves her 2020 WK2 Trailhawk. I ordered ours from a friend who owns a Jeep dealer. I paid $51k CDN dollars in March 2020 after all factory rebates. Ours we optioned with the luxury package and the HID/LED option which I noticed yours doesn't seem to have. In almost 2 years of ownership still 0 issues and the Pentastar engine combined with the ZF 8 speed transmission is a great combo.
We are still on the original Goodyear Kevlar A/Ts but will be getting new rubber next winter. We don't take ours off road because we have a TJ Rubicon for that type of adventure. But for trips up north to the camp and Canadian winters the WK2 is not a disappointment by any means. Great video TFL thanks and a very Merry Christmas to everyone everywhere.
I’m fortunate enough to have a Raptor and I’ve found snow and slippery mode is for driving down a slick road. When you pull up to an intersection with deep or heavy snow the traction control pulls the engine down so far it feels like it’s going to die. Last year I found a flip of the switch to mud and sand lets you blow through the drifts and heavy stuff. It’s much more fun too.
I think heavy snow is more similar to mud it makes sense.
These are unstoppable in the snow with the QDII 4WD system. The ELSD is extremely sophisticated in its programming and actuation. Unfortunately, Jeep had to compromise on the stock tires to makes these more suitable for the street and hwy. We have a '19 Summit and the first thing we did was swap out the Bridgestone for a set of Nitto Ridge Grapplers. Excellent combination of on-road/off-road capability and excellent in the heavy snow we get here in northern NH.
I use Rotiva's on my RAM. They are rated for all seasons, have the snowflake on them and show wear from 100, 80, 60, 40 and 20%. Great, smooth tire (almost no road roar and vibration like the KO2's) and they work great in mud, snow and wet conditions.
I used to have a 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited with Nokian Hakka R2s for the winter time. It was unstoppable! My mom used to have a 2011 and she ran studded Nokian Hakka 9s. We had all terrains that we used the other 3 seasons. We both loved our Jeeps in the snow, never an issue and always got where we needed to go even when we had 18”+ of snow.
I think the tires are to blame, I have a ‘17 and it has General M and S tires and it is unstoppable, and balanced on just ice! Love it
Grand Cherokees are probably the best snow vehicle there is. Merry Christmas from a very snowy Flagstaff AZ
More fun to drive in the snow with the stock tires for sure but when I put on the dedicated snow tires, it turns into a tank in the snow. I’ve never had any issue with the snow we get up here in Canada 🇨🇦 and I usually go out looking for fun after a big snow fall! Merry Christmas guys!
Merry Christmas to you guys at TFL Studios. You've become my go to vehicle review watching on TH-cam this past year. Keep up the great work. We got snow here in NY on Christmas Eve now rain 🌧 😔
Yes we did. Has been a very rainy, dreary day.
Merry Christmas to the entire TFL Team! Best dedicated snow tires I have ever experienced (and that has been a lot) are Bridgestone Blizzaks. They do tend to wear down faster so you don't want to run them in the off season, but for severe winter driving, they are superb. 🌨
Have a set of Firestone weathergrips on my crv and the little bit of snow 3inches we had they cut through like butter hardly any wheel spin mashing on the gas .. if u looking for all season tires with the peaks. They were better than the triple tread Goodyear's I had . Plus they are more quiet on dry pavement too.
Sold my 2018 GC just before lockdown and regretted it ever since. Seemed like the right thing to do at the time but now of course values have rocketed here in the UK...in fact my car is now worth at least £10k more than I sold it for! Great cars, very underrated imo. Incredibly difficult to replace here in the UK. Not sure if the new shape one will cover so many bases at the price point this version did.
Big mistake my wife has a 2018 a real gem, planning to keep it to 2030 or longer. I bought a 2021 Laredo for myself in October and it was very hard to find even in Michigan where the damned thing is built. Paid $6k more than the 2018 to get it due to scarcity and lack of decent year end discounts.
@@robc8468 was well worth paying that bit more to grab one...and forgot to mention that they have virtually perfectly balanced styling imo..
Its called "3-Peak Mountain Snowflake" rating, seriously that is the official "snow tire" rating now and it makes a huge difference, those tiles with this rating have greatly improved snow performance and have tremendously improved ice traction performance.
Merry Christmas from Germany. Great video. 👍 Our GC brought us through some tricky snow storms in the mountains and did things we never thought it could do. My recommendation would be Sand instead of Mud when you need more wheel spin. Keep doing these kinds of videos. Snow is a much more realistic condition most Jeep drivers will face than real off road driving.
In 2019 bought a new Grand Cherokee Limited Hemi, the first thing I did was ditch the Bridgestone Ecopia tires and got a set of Continental All Terrains. Made a world of difference on road, off road, snow etc. Anyway, Merry Christmas Roman and Tommy!
Depends on the tires and the driver. My wife old Civic FWD with the correct snow tires does better then the SUV in snow and ice.
I love this video so much. The festive narrative, the WK2, the snow. It’s magical
I would take old school lockers over the computer controlled traction control any day.
If you ever get a chance you guys should do a deep dive into what each mode actually does. I know you mentioned snow mode does not allow as much wheel spin as mud mode. I wonder why that is?
Snow mode ends up being more for getting traction on ice IMO. It limits wheels spin. For a bit more winter fun, mud mode allows the Jeep to cut it up 😊
@Zachary Elias Because mud, in most situations, is "thicker" than snow, so Mud Mode gives you more traction to get the vehicle out of stickier situations
I assume the modern traction control monitors wheel spin and applies brake to the spinning wheel to send it to the one with traction correct?
Almost all cars that have a snow mode, it's actually a slippery mode, it's not meant for deep snow, that's how it's programmed. Take for instance land rover and the terrain response. The mode is called grass-gravel-snow, and the purpose of the mode is to prevent tire slip and loss of traction.
Zachary Elias you are correct.
I have the predecessor this Jeep, a 2005 Grand Cherokee Limited. No adjustible suspension, pretty basic in comparison, but with the right tires (BF Goodrich Advantage TA Sport) it gets me everywhere, including deep snow. I never need to swap tires whether it's on the freeway or on my way to Tahoe in a heavy snowstorm. No tire chains necessary.
Remember tho, you don’t want too much wheel spin on snow if you’re stuck. The friction will melt the snow and you’ll basically be on ice
I love how tommy is always showing off his chucks no matter what is weather is! Keep showing them off!
Merry Christmas everyone and congratulations on having snow, we're a little snowless here in East Tennessee but hey we absolutely LOVE watching your channels and Thank You for another great video once again on the Jeep Cherokees. I personally LOVE the Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk and I'm personally excited for the new 2022 but patience is a virtue I've always been told my entire life. Have a Blessed day everyone
Merry Christmas east Tennessee from western NC
Merry Christmas from Clarksville Tennessee!
Merry Christmas to you Charles!
I was raised outside Nashville
Dayton Tennessee here. 65° as I am watching this.
@@explorer197020 56 and very windy here in Purlear NC
Just get dedicated winter setup. Yes you may stretch some A/S to 60 or 70k, but as we just saw those tire were barely able to get you around new, performance will drop off a cliff after 20k and dangerous once worn to 5/32. Modern winter tires wear quite well when used only in winter and can usually rack up 40k before wearing to 5/32 - the point they should be replaced. A set of A/S and a set of winter will cover 100k of driving and you'll never put a tire on the road in winter with under 5/32 or 3/32 in summer.
Would be interesting Pirelli provide real snow Scorpions for the next run...
Good idea,..I too was wondering " why not REAL sow tires?"
The best would be a set of Ice Zero FR which are real winter tires.
@@sledforpeace Yes, and the 'list' goes on! LOL
I'm with Roman, ( with due care and attention , of course ) 'giver 'er the beans when on a clear road with no traffic and lots of snow! It's called 'fun driving' Tommy. LOL!
I have a 2018 Trailhawk, 275/65/18 Toyo AT3’s, and I freaking love it. Haven’t tried snow yet but I’m planning on it this week. My dad has a 2021 WK2 Trailhawk and he loves his Jeep too. They’re great rigs.
Just to clarify, the Trailhawk does have an electronic locking rear differential. He mentioned it was a limited slip, which it sort of resembles via brake control. But, in certain settings of your Selec-Terrain, the rear diff will 100% lock.
There should be a deep snow setting. I think snow setting is designed more for lightly snow covered roads.
100%. Growing up in the snow belt area of Lake Ontario, momentum is king for getting unstuck in deep stuff, and the snow modes are more for keeping you on the road.
Mud/Snow is right for this one
It is, snow mode also starts you out in 2nd gear rather than 1st reduce slipping starting off. Which is great on roads taking off from a stop but kills you in deep snow.
How deep? Extreme deep snow is more about aggressive tires and ground clearance than a dial setting.
You can have any car, suv or truck in the world and go through deep snow as long as you have snow tires.
Call me biased, but my Forester (a base model 2002) and Grand Cherokee (another base model from 2009) were nearly on-par with each other in terms of just how INCREDIBLE they were in the snow. Brand new snow-rated all-seasons on the Subie, Wildpeak AT3W's on the Grand, and both of them just tore up snow and I wasn't afraid of a thing.
We'll see if my 2017 Highlander can hold up lol
It's over when I put my jeep in 4L nothing on par .
In north Idaho and have a 2017 GC TrailHawk 5.7L. During the winter I run studded snow tires. I haven’t found anything challenge yet that 4Wheel low doesn’t simply walk out of. Great vehicle on/off road. Jeep nailed it on this one.
My 2019 Limited X was the best car I have driven in snow. With a good set of winter tires, it was pretty much unstoppable. I have not had enough snow to try out my new 2021 model but it should be just as exceptional.
I spent ~ $700 for 4 new after market 16 inch wheels. (American Racing) And ~ $750 for 4 new General Altimax ARTIC 12 snow tires. (3 peaks rated) size 225/55r/16. The tires are mounted on the after market wheels (to preserve the original manufacture wheels (about $500 each to replace) and will be dedicated to winter driving only. I put these tires on my 2004 Mercedes’ E320 (4-matic). These tries have completely changed the vehicles ability to safely navigate in snow and on clear/plowed highways. It’s very important to maintain the proper air pressure according to the vehicle manufacture specifications. The snow tires out perform others because they stay pliable at temps below 40 degrees. Most other tires get hard and loose their effectiveness, especially at temps 32 degrees and below. The 3 peaks snow rated tires far out perform the others at these lower temps. And the difference is substantial. It’s literally the difference of spinning tires and going no where (vs) moving forward and navigating safely and confidently. In todays financial environment, a minor auto repair costs $1-2k. e.g., replacing a plastic from bumper skin, because you slid into a snow filled ditch. Another factor to consider is the cost of a tow truck or recovery vehicle. One recovery can easily cost $200-300. Tire experts all agree that having the proper tires for your driving conditions is critical. I’m also curious to know if your vehicle owners manual specifies / recommends “snow rated” (3 peaks) tires for use in snow mode.
Great Father Son video. You guys make a great team.
Winter tyers don't melt off on tarmac, in Europe we use them when temp goes under -7 Celsius, you can use them for 2-3 years with no problem. All seasons are ok but don't expect much on ice or 10cm snow.
Merry Christmas, TFL!! You guys are starting to feel like family as I've watched so many videos over the past few years! God bless in the New Year and keep the reviews and news coming!!
Don't know about Jeep, but in LR modes snow mode is mainly for light snow and slippery roads. For deep snow sand mode is usually the best.
I got rid of my 2018 overland because it started having electrical problems especially with the adaptive cruise and automatic braking. But I live in Oregon and I tried every winter to get it stuck and just couldn’t. It was a beast in the snow and sand.
You two sound like my son and I. I'm the hooligan. My wife, his mom has raised him well. Keep up the great work. Merry Christmas
So we learned two things, your winter tires video is correct about traction and Tommy needs winter boots.😂🎄
Merry Christmas TFL! Thank you as always for another year of great content!
Merry Christmas everyone at TFL! One of my favorites on YT. 🎄🎁
2:13 "You can see the 4wd system working".............GENIUS
This made me feel much better about my Michelin X-Ice snow tire purchase for my GC. It's silly to invest in one of the best snow vehicles out there and not have the tires to match.
Merry Christmas to all the TFL crew. Looking forward to seeing you in 2022.
I’ll say it once and a thousand times. I absolutely love when these 2 are together alone. Father and Son bickering is so natural. You can’t fake it. Tommy says “be nice around these guys, they are wussy’s” and what does the old man do in reply? He goes wide open throttle and laughs!!
I have found on many new off road vehicles (suv) that the normal 4x4 mode works best for all terrain types. People actually think if they get stuck when in a mode then that’s it, no options. Having wheel spin available is needed for natural feeling.of terrain your in.
Merry Christmas to All at TFL thanks for all the great videos you guys post and keep us informed and entertained you guys are awesome enjoy yourselves
We’ve owned 2 Jeep Grand Cherokees. A V-6 and a V-8…the HEMI by far was better. But both were fantastic vehicles. Once the kids moved out…we went to Cherokee. Merry Christmas…
Let's get Tommy to get his '01 JGC in the deep snow with the old school 4WD system without all the fancy gizmos. That should make for a very interesting comparison. What do you think, guys? :D
IIRC he has some pretty good skins on those rims so I'd guess the '01 will do pretty damn well.
I’ll bet it does much better, this Grand needs a set of tires like those.
I have personally in deeper snow for longer distances in a Grand Cherokee than in any other vehicle. Stock suspension and basically stock tires.
I run cooper at3 which is a 3peak rated tire for all seasons that has a 70k mile warranty and is made in USA.
Also not all 4wd are made equal. My wife a Hyundai palisade and I have an explorer. Hers cuts power with any spin in any mode. Mine will allow slip in most modes. Snow mode shifts power a lot but doesn’t trip traction like your Cherokee did.
Merry Christmas to the whole TFL family! Glad to see you having fun in the Jeep and the snow.
I love your videos, and also great filming!
Yeah! Waited for the snow so long and here you are!!
The thing about SNOWY scenic areas is the Post Card worthiness of it all. The bad part is the treacherous roads, and all of the Dang Shoveling. Enjoy, Merry Christmas to you and the entire TFL Family.
Longtime TFL viewers know snow + Roman = Good times!
3:53 confirmed
Tires are EVERYTHING!
I'd love to see the Defender in snow!
@LordSothMajere....apostate! ;-)
I would like to see them comparing the Defender to JGC Trailhawk
@@fahdabdulaziz5067 yeessss. That would be quite amazing
Please more snow videos if you have snow there now❄
I put nitto terra grapplers on my 18 SRT and it never has an issue in the snow. Been in 12” and recently 4-6”.
A Jeep can do anything! JEEP LIFE 🙂
I run blizzak vm-2 on my 2016 Overland EcoDiesel and it's probably the best car in the snow I've ever driven. I will often turn off trac control and put it in sport mode to play around.
One of the Ford F250's that I owned came with Pirelli Scorpion tires on it from the factory. I've never been stuck so many times in a truck as what I was in that truck with those tires. They are absolute 100% garbage tires. I ended up replacing them when they were only about 1/2 worn out because I was sick of getting stuck every time I turned around. The BFG's I replaced them with were 10 times the tire that the Pirelli's were.
all depends on the tires! But i will say 6 inches of snow is nothing.
My 2021 Kia K5 AWD sedan made it through 7.4 inches of snow no slippage or nothing. mind you i have winter tires. (Michelin Xice 13)
Merry Christmas 🎁🎄 Roman and TFLC folks. Be safe out there. Looking forward to seeing your 2022 videos.
I just purchased the 2021 Grand Cherokee L version. It’s 4x4 but it’s the non selective one. I’m heading to Flagstaff this next up coming weekend. I hope it does well
Merry Christmas To TFL.
A few years ago I drove my 2018 Cherokee trailhawk through an unplowed road with 3 feet of fresh snow without any issues. Went slow and sensible.
Still like the looks of old model over new version
I have the same tyres (Pirelli Scorpion Verde All Season Plus 3 M+S) on my Summit and they are great. Excellent maneuvering on road, quiet and comfortable, high mileage and good performance offroad. Off course not compared to aggressive tires but compared to street tyres, they are one of the best.
Snow tires make all the difference. And a Grand Cherokee with snow tires, Good Luck to Winter!
Sorry, Pirelli. I’d put a better set of ATs, like KO2s or General Grabbers.
Merry Christmas guys. Need more videos of lower trim models of the Jeeps. It's not just the trail rated ones that can move through the tough stuff!
The Grand has been snow worthy since its inception.
The Trailhawk is a true beast.
My Durango RT AWD does pretty well in the snow haven’t had any issues.
It is almost as good as my Corvette C7 in deep snow! My C7 has Summer Performance tires too!
GM Stabilitrak has some voodoo under the hood. Second to none.
Great video. I remember snow driving consisted of pulling the 4x4 lever and just feathering the throttle. Oh how it has changed.
3PMSF, but what you need is tire with a more aggressive AT tire for deeper snow. The 3PMSF really helps with patch ice, snow
I respect the converse in the deep snow
I'm so glad you decided to get a wk2 to lead into the new grand cherokee. We have a 2016 grand cherokee that we put wrangler duratrac tires on and it does great in all conditions.
Merry Christmas TFL and viewers !
Yaaaaaa, time for some real snow tires...they should have brought Tommy's old 2500$ Grand Cherokee with solid axles and real tires for a comparison...
BFGoodrich k02's would be the star on that GC.
Merry Christmas guys! I have a 21 Altitude. It only has Quadra Trak I , but with proper winter tires, (Blizzaks) it rarely even spins in snow. It's a great vehicle and crushes it in the cold stuff. Have a great New Years!
Merry Christmas to you and the entire TFL team.
I drive a 2016 Grand Cherokee Laredo E. Still on the original tires. I don’t use snow mode for 6” of snow. I think your tires are a problem. My Laredo does have the Off-road adventure package and no air suspension.
It must be nice having snow. It’s 60° here in Maryland
I own a 2019 Trailhawk (V6) and run Cooper Discoverer AT3 tires. Between blizzards in Buffalo, NY (my original home) and ice/snow in the mountains of western NC (my current home), the vehicle in the snow is... boring honestly. The terrain control is so good, I had no worries driving downhill around winding turns while sipping my coffee with one hand. Despite almost 8 inches of snow with ice underneath it, I never felt like I was going to get stuck. The low-end torque from a V8 would be nice, but the V6 did just fine. It feels a little more balanced front-to-rear when you slide and I can typically squeeze about 480-500 miles out of the 24-gallon tank (obviously meant to handle to V8's thirst as well). Snow mode was actually a nuisance to me because of its tendency to accelerate slowly. If you grew up with snow driving, it's easier to just stay in the automatic setting and feel your way with the accelerator. So from someone christened by lake effect snow at birth, I give it a 9 out of 10 (with decent tires and heated seats/steering wheel) in terms of snow driving.
I've owned a 2010 LR4 and now a 2015 WK2 Eco and out of the two, I feel more confident in the snow with the WK2.
My 2018 jeep grandcherkee 4×4 lerdo didn't engage in 4×4 while backing up hill in the snow . First day off 2022. Ready to trade in.
Jeep Wrangler or Grand Cherokee are my top two choices in snow, although our Ford F-150 & previous Ram 1500 do/did just fine when weighted in back. 👍🏻 I see Subarus & Teslas getting stuck here in the Sierras; mostly because some owners think AWD gives them “full capability” … often they’re on all-season tires 🤨.
Can’t wait for y’all to haul this over to Moab! I rarely use snow mode in my 2018 for all the reasons you discovered. Mud/sand is fun in the snow but it’s all about the tires. I have found that my 2018 is not inspiring on ice: the rear wants to walk out.
Merry Christmas guys! Enjoying your content as I wait for everyone else to wake up this Christmas morning! I believe the three peak/snowflakes are referred to as “Severe Snow Service” rated. Now that I’m living in real mountains and running up the canyons, I actually swapped out the KO2s on my Landcruiser (for the winter) for Nokias Hakkapellita R3 SUVs because even the KO2s got overwhelmed at times last winter in deep snow. Won’t know until a season of this whether there’ll be a difference, but having the softer compound can make a real difference in the slipperiest conditions. The more aggressive treads clearly provide better traction off-road, but for snow driving, I think the compound is the key.
Thanks for doing this video. I just got my new 2021 Grand Cherokee after waiting 6 months for it. I now know what the snow mode does. I now know how to turn the thing off when it does more harm than good. Great tip on using mud mode. I will turn the traction control off too. I learned how to drive in snow without any help from computers. Merry Christmas TFL
Happy Holidays to the entire TFL crew. Your reviews, commentary and analysis are now part of my every day viewing. Stay safe and have some fun out there on the road.
Thanks for watching and happy Holidays!