Love seeing Cici in these bass videos! She's an incredible bassist and her personality is just so cute. Adds the perfect amount of entertainment to these videos.
I'm in the camp that says 'for solid body electric instruments, tonewood is over 99% invalid' so I won't debate that - but I think that pickup winds and pot/electronic tolerances by a few points difference, as well as the setup of the instrument mean that even two identical instruments are going to sound different, even if subtly. And here, it's not the neck/fretboard wood doing it, but all the other stuff.
I find the sound isn’t really very different, but there’s a change in feel when playing and that makes me play slightly differently so they end up sounding different because of that.
Was so happy to see your review, and in particular your comments on the rolled fretboard. I bought a Player 2 Precision last week, and was wondering why my neck felt more "normal" compared to my other brand basses with rolled fretboards. I feel a little less conned now 😂
Excellent video! I would have loved a slightly longer show today. I’m very interested In wood choices and resulting sounds. The mapping descriptions that Cici talks about make perfect sense to me. I’d love a slower format of her describing sounds of different basses.
There are so many videos out there that more or less debunk the effect ot "tone woods" on electronic instruments. That's not to say there is no difference at all. But it is so slight and so subtle that it's essentially imperceptible. 99.9% of your sound is coming from the strings, pickups, electronics, and amp. The woods maybe make up that extra .1%.
It just feels like the bloom of the notes varies slightly between the two, but neither is bad. Just ever-so-slightly different. That could even be a difference in pickup heights. Regardless, these all sound GREAT!
I would love to hear an "AB(A/B)" test i.e. blindfold test two basses, but play one of them twice. The test is not "which one is maple/rosewood", but instead, which bass was played twice (A or B). That will give a better "do they sound different" result (I think)
I wonder if the person who is playing the bass changes the way they play (articulation, etc) because they can visually see what they are playing. For example, when playing on maple, do people have a tendency to play with a lighter touch?
The real question is are they all setup with the pickup height being set the same consistently? Even leaving the factory that can vary and plays a huge part in what you hear.
Also, each pickup won't always be 100% same. One could have a few more/less winds which will affect the sound or maybe one of the magnets is cut 1mm shorter or longer.
I have found (with my Ray34CA basses) that I can FEEL the difference between rosewood and maple when playing them, but recorded I could not tell them apart.
I have a player P-bass with a maple fretboard. I could tell which one sounded like my bass, and it had a maple neck. Just couldnt tell you exactly what made it sound like mine. I really like my bass, has some fairly old nickle roundwounds on it.
You guys gotta do a Cali76 FET vs Empress MKII comparison The top end compressor battle. From what I heard, the Cali adds warmth, while the Empress is dead set neutral and one of the most transparent compressors out there. Both are very silent, so it’s either warmth or transparency
I listened to the comparison blind and called it correctly. It's not a huge difference, but lacquered maple has a slightly "clicky" sound. At least to my ears.
@@metamizol1606I have never stopped that from happening. Not sure why you think there can’t be both just because of me, we are two separate people, who both have equal amounts going on, and good reason for things I will add.
No two pieces of wood are the same, even from the same tree, so wood type alone simply isn’t a reliable indicator of an instrument’s character. I think the only worthwhile impact on the instrument is how they impact the feel of the instrument. I do think there IS an effect on the amplified sound, but compared to string type, material & construction/ pickup type, pickup height, microphony, winding and magnet material/ fret, saddle & nut materials… in my opinion, tone wood’s importance is largely an overstated rabbit hole for cork sniffers. And that’s fine.
Nobody ever mentions what I think is the biggest difference. Maple boards are finished, rosewood is not. I personally don't like the feel of the glossy under my fingers on the maple boards. Similar to how I prefer satin necks to glossy. You may feel differently so consider that.
I’ve always thought rosewood sounds brighter with a smoother bottom end than maple which has more of a squished EQ towards the mids. I think what guitarist hear and brights verses soft is very different what a bassist hears and the quotes about tone woods come from guitarist rather than bassists. But honestly you can sort all the sounds with your tone knob and EQ
I’ve got maple/rosewood/ebony and richlite fretboard on my guitars , I cannot feel the difference or hear any difference between them, no point in me doing a blindfold test because they’re my guitars and would know the difference only because I know my own guitars
I’ll be honest guys, whacking a 30 second Colgate toothpaste advert literally in the middle of the two demos really killed any chance of comparison for me here
hey, guitar companies, when are we finally going to get what we've all been clamoring for??? I'll say it, rosewood necks with maple fretboard!!! that would have to be the ultimate in toanz
C’mon, spend some time playing. A Ten guitar test? I’ll watch a quick test here and there but I think my sound will benefit more through more practice & playing instead of watching someone else playing ten different guitars.
Its proven that theres a slight difference with woods. Theres two videos on guitar necks and bodies from Andertons. Same guitars, same players, same rigs. Audibly different sound. When you put it in a song everything matters because the less frequency alterations you need to make the better. The more you try to shape it the thinner the end result will sound. Thats why paying attention to that stuff IS important
@@JoeBaermann or they bring the right guitar for the job so they dont have to EQ it more than necessary because you will hear the difference. Every good ingeneer will tell you to get the source tone right first because every little EQ move thats too much makes the guitar sound weird and thin in the final mix
@@metalpuppet5798 They most likely play several different productions, so that makes the EQ way more versatile, besides that it’s only bad if you overdo it, always small adjustments. Wood and even pickups don’t have that much of a frequency span. Mainly EQ used straight after guitar, in the loop or even both. Some of the most recognized session guitarists in the industry do it that way, if it was bad they surely wouldn’t have that job. Even some of the big names use/used them live. It’s all about using free space and leaving the space other instruments/vocals occupy, even if that means a guitar might sound thin on it’s own. Just using the “wrong” overdrive can drown a vocalist if the main frequency scope takes the same space. When it comes to the instrument it’s more about feel and response than anything, people should just play what ever that feels good to them and inspires them to write songs and not because some salesman tells them they should.
Those AB tests are not accurate. They don't account from pickup height, string age, force of strumming, location of strumming. A dude on YT did the definitive test.
One thing I know for sure … the maple board is brighter in color than the rosewood. 😅
I’ll be buying myself the beautiful Player ii precision bass aquatone blue just like in this demo.. in a couple of weeks at the most! 😍
Love seeing Cici in these bass videos! She's an incredible bassist and her personality is just so cute. Adds the perfect amount of entertainment to these videos.
Loose that bloke, she is great.
She's great, but I like Lee, too.
Cici is an incredible talent. How is she not a global superstar yet?!?!
Guitar music has faded in popularity
Three-color Sunburst sounds darker than Olympic White.
The Science and all that.
Not if you play them in the middle, only the edges are darker sounding.
I play an Olympic White, and when I want a darker tone I move to the cupboard under the stairs and turn off the light.
@@davidf2281 ah, the ol' harry potter tone darkening trick
@@CrockettsCabin for sure!
Definitely the Olympic White basses have better tone, Jimmy Hendrix knew that, but somehow bass players are only now finding that.
I'm in the camp that says 'for solid body electric instruments, tonewood is over 99% invalid' so I won't debate that - but I think that pickup winds and pot/electronic tolerances by a few points difference, as well as the setup of the instrument mean that even two identical instruments are going to sound different, even if subtly. And here, it's not the neck/fretboard wood doing it, but all the other stuff.
All kinds of things might affect the tone but the look and the feel are always gonna be different so I'd pick on that basis!
I find the sound isn’t really very different, but there’s a change in feel when playing and that makes me play slightly differently so they end up sounding different because of that.
Cici is an amazing Bassist!
I have the whitr p bass. Its great! I have no complaints.
Was so happy to see your review, and in particular your comments on the rolled fretboard. I bought a Player 2 Precision last week, and was wondering why my neck felt more "normal" compared to my other brand basses with rolled fretboards. I feel a little less conned now 😂
Yay, Anderton’s got Cici’s socials handle correct!🎉 good jeorb.
Jeeeeeeooooooorrrrrb!!!
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Excellent video! I would have loved a slightly longer show today. I’m very interested In wood choices and resulting sounds. The mapping descriptions that Cici talks about make perfect sense to me. I’d love a slower format of her describing sounds of different basses.
There are so many videos out there that more or less debunk the effect ot "tone woods" on electronic instruments. That's not to say there is no difference at all. But it is so slight and so subtle that it's essentially imperceptible. 99.9% of your sound is coming from the strings, pickups, electronics, and amp. The woods maybe make up that extra .1%.
It just feels like the bloom of the notes varies slightly between the two, but neither is bad. Just ever-so-slightly different. That could even be a difference in pickup heights. Regardless, these all sound GREAT!
I would love to hear an "AB(A/B)" test i.e. blindfold test two basses, but play one of them twice. The test is not "which one is maple/rosewood", but instead, which bass was played twice (A or B). That will give a better "do they sound different" result (I think)
I wonder if the person who is playing the bass changes the way they play (articulation, etc) because they can visually see what they are playing. For example, when playing on maple, do people have a tendency to play with a lighter touch?
@@Chris-MusicTheoryAndFretboard 100% a variable that is fixed via double blinding (i.e. the player also not knowing what they're playing)
Awesome demo guys!🎸 you should do a weekly jam, it’ll be amazing or even play some covers……. Great drumming too🥁
I have to agree with Cici. the maple fretboard did sound much warmer that the rosewood one.
I look at it as more of an unfinished vs finished fretboard challenge. That's why the results came out as they did.
Amazing outro.
the intro jam at the start was funkalicious
How much has Lee's playing improved over the years ?!?!? Sounding great man !
You know you've made it as a proper Andertonian when you get your own set of blindfold goggles 😎
Great job on this fun video guys, and great playing! What brand are the stools? They look very comfy, just the right height and I like the footrests.
Can you do a used vs new shoot out? Standard vs player vs player ii
The real question is are they all setup with the pickup height being set the same consistently? Even leaving the factory that can vary and plays a huge part in what you hear.
Also, each pickup won't always be 100% same. One could have a few more/less winds which will affect the sound or maybe one of the magnets is cut 1mm shorter or longer.
I wish the blue P came with the rosewood option
Thanks guys, l guessed right, but well then yes l was watching ! Doh ! 😂 It was a fun video & mellow outro too.
I have found (with my Ray34CA basses) that I can FEEL the difference between rosewood and maple when playing them, but recorded I could not tell them apart.
I have a player P-bass with a maple fretboard. I could tell which one sounded like my bass, and it had a maple neck. Just couldnt tell you exactly what made it sound like mine. I really like my bass, has some fairly old nickle roundwounds on it.
Have you guys done a video on your own pedalboard essentials before? Id love to see that
Do you think they will also sell the guitar necks individually?
the maple was brighter but only just,, loved the vid guys, cc well wick.
Why not the electronics?
Intro had me thinking I was still playing Toejam and Earl on the Megadrive back in the early 90s
You guys gotta do a Cali76 FET vs Empress MKII comparison
The top end compressor battle.
From what I heard, the Cali adds warmth, while the Empress is dead set neutral and one of the most transparent compressors out there. Both are very silent, so it’s either warmth or transparency
I listened to the comparison blind and called it correctly. It's not a huge difference, but lacquered maple has a slightly "clicky" sound. At least to my ears.
More videos with Ci Ci please.
No. More videos with Dave Simpson please.
@@metamizol1606I have never stopped that from happening. Not sure why you think there can’t be both just because of me, we are two separate people, who both have equal amounts going on, and good reason for things I will add.
@@CiciVonStrangelove I don't think so. I just expressed my opinion.
HUGE Stanley Clarke vibes from the intro Jam.. don't know if he's been an influence on either of you?
Maybe tonewoods ARE a thing but in a mix I doubt people would realise. More important than the wood is how it feels to the player 🖤
Maple
You can really hear the difference in the fretboards in the opening jam.
Blind is good, double blind is better ;), but great video guys
The strings touch the frets. So the sound is supposed to be different from one bass having frets embedded in rosewood and the other in maple?
No two pieces of wood are the same, even from the same tree, so wood type alone simply isn’t a reliable indicator of an instrument’s character.
I think the only worthwhile impact on the instrument is how they impact the feel of the instrument. I do think there IS an effect on the amplified sound, but compared to string type, material & construction/ pickup type, pickup height, microphony, winding and magnet material/ fret, saddle & nut materials… in my opinion, tone wood’s importance is largely an overstated rabbit hole for cork sniffers. And that’s fine.
I like rosewood over maple, just based on feel, not tone.
4:23 "audibly hear" 😂
All these instrument fools have drank way too much Kool aid. It's not good for you
"SEE if we can audibly hear"
I ordered mine but it had sharp fret edges, so unfortunately had to send it back. Also, it has a quite chunky neck on a jazz.
More Bass!!!
Nobody ever mentions what I think is the biggest difference. Maple boards are finished, rosewood is not. I personally don't like the feel of the glossy under my fingers on the maple boards. Similar to how I prefer satin necks to glossy. You may feel differently so consider that.
Is it still a maple cap?
Honestly it just sounds like the rosewood one has a lower action than the other, has the string rattle more than any frequency difference.
Thank god for the revival of rosewood!
It’s funny that through my little phone speaker, the maple was a LOT brighter…
My wife has the synesthesia thing. It's fascinating.
“My sausages are lovely! They taste purple!”
How a pupil of mine found out!
Does cici play in red giant?
No she left.
@@alamosabill201 but she DID play in red giant?
@@Brykkshe did now she doesn’t.
@@alamosabill201 thank you
But she used to, though?
I’ve always thought rosewood sounds brighter with a smoother bottom end than maple which has more of a squished EQ towards the mids.
I think what guitarist hear and brights verses soft is very different what a bassist hears and the quotes about tone woods come from guitarist rather than bassists.
But honestly you can sort all the sounds with your tone knob and EQ
Is it me or is the audio clipping regularly?
Yeah, I'm not sure if that's an amp sim or just signal clipping
11:14
I’ve got maple/rosewood/ebony and richlite fretboard on my guitars , I cannot feel the difference or hear any difference between them, no point in me doing a blindfold test because they’re my guitars and would know the difference only because I know my own guitars
Ok, I didn’t make the podium. Kinda like the Olympics.
This is all very well, but how does my son’s ebony fingerboard Jaguar bass compare 😀
Banana laffy Taffy yellow
Most important thing about the rosewood is that the outgoing pao ferro boards felt terrible in the hand
I’ll be honest guys, whacking a 30 second Colgate toothpaste advert literally in the middle of the two demos really killed any chance of comparison for me here
Sadly, watching bass videos on a cheap cellphone without an offboard speaker sounds like strings slapping on frets!😢
No left handed basses yet again
Second
a band needs two bassists.
hey, guitar companies, when are we finally going to get what we've all been clamoring for??? I'll say it, rosewood necks with maple fretboard!!! that would have to be the ultimate in toanz
C’mon, spend some time playing. A Ten guitar test? I’ll watch a quick test here and there but I think my sound will benefit more through more practice & playing instead of watching someone else playing ten different guitars.
Why does Cici look like a Simpsons character in those glasses? 😀
Well at least the bass dept is doing ok. Your drum shlt is dead dead dead. Your failing in regards to that,and it doesn't have to be that way
What about the Mustang?
First!
Anyone from the store got to clap cc yet?
8:44 9:13
Some guys are always going to insist that tonewoods are real. Some guys are always going to insist the earth is flat. Just the way of the world.
Its proven that theres a slight difference with woods. Theres two videos on guitar necks and bodies from Andertons. Same guitars, same players, same rigs. Audibly different sound. When you put it in a song everything matters because the less frequency alterations you need to make the better. The more you try to shape it the thinner the end result will sound. Thats why paying attention to that stuff IS important
@@metalpuppet5798 Yeah, that is why seasoned session guitarists bring EQ pedals to the studio.
@@JoeBaermann or they bring the right guitar for the job so they dont have to EQ it more than necessary because you will hear the difference. Every good ingeneer will tell you to get the source tone right first because every little EQ move thats too much makes the guitar sound weird and thin in the final mix
@@metalpuppet5798
They most likely play several different productions, so that makes the EQ way more versatile, besides that it’s only bad if you overdo it, always small adjustments.
Wood and even pickups don’t have that much of a frequency span.
Mainly EQ used straight after guitar, in the loop or even both.
Some of the most recognized session guitarists in the industry do it that way, if it was bad they surely wouldn’t have that job.
Even some of the big names use/used them live.
It’s all about using free space and leaving the space other instruments/vocals occupy, even if that means a guitar might sound thin on it’s own.
Just using the “wrong” overdrive can drown a vocalist if the main frequency scope takes the same space.
When it comes to the instrument it’s more about feel and response than anything, people should just play what ever that feels good to them and inspires them to write songs and not because some salesman tells them they should.
Those AB tests are not accurate. They don't account from pickup height, string age, force of strumming, location of strumming. A dude on YT did the definitive test.