DROP+SENNHEISER PC38x _(Z Reviews)_
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How do these compare to the SHP9500 for gaming specific cans
Hello Zeos, do you know / remember if these headphones are easy to take apart like the 58X Jubilees? Thinking of buying and modding these with a different color.
so with current drop price of $130 and not interested in gaming,, just music, is it worth it?
nice gman reference
@@MichaelSidneyTimpson if just using them for music, it isn't worth it. maybe would be if you need a mic though!
haven't watched him for like a year and now he's living in a dungeon, cool
he just moved into the most awesome huge house haha
Yeah same. This is my first vid after a year or so as well. Was puzzled at first. Will have to check out some older vids to see the move.
@@YorkshireD1 Don't, you'll get stressed out :)
Classic Zeos video
He upgraded
"it also can do movies, music, project melody..."
now wait a minute
Can you imagine melody, with the accuracy of the smsl su8 dac and warmth of the rebel amp. 💡
@@nocturnal0072 mmmmh :)
projekt melody with your sennheiser HE-1's 😊
I've been running the Sennheiser Game One for 4 years, which uses the same chassis as this, and I can't really say the comfort factor has improved. It's like they're looser, but they still kinda pinch the area around my ears unevenly, and don't have enough room for my larger ears.
These cans were the most impacted by ear pads than I’ve ever experienced. Going from the “sport mesh” pads to the dekoni leather pads go from borderline bright to almost dark. The bass is extremely pronounced with the leather pads. Don’t know if I love them…but the comfort is 100% better with the dekoni pads
So I have had these for the last few days and I can attest to everything Zeos is saying here.
The valour pads certainly improve the musicality of this headset. They are more warm, but weirdly enough, they don't completely lose the sharpness in the treble.
It does calm it down a bit though. I haven't tested them in game, but I have a theory that sennheiser included the valour pads for music listening purposes, and the knit fabric pads for gaming.
The valour pads have more low end, and and are definitely more warm. Imo, they are more enjoyable. This is obviously subjective, but I think most people tend to prefer warmer sound signatures for music listening purposes.
music, movies...project melody
OMG. You want a laugh? You just saved me. I did not know to turn up the volume switch on the side on the headset.
You made my friggin night hahaha. THANK YOU!
I’ve been looking for a reasonable priced, all around headset and stumbled across your channel. Bro you’re hilarious, you and Crinacle had me rolling! Great stuff man! Subbed.
these vs beyerdynamic Tygr 300r
Simple. Do you need a microphone or you already have one?
Question answered.
@@houssamalucad753 I don't think it's that simple, per DMS's review of the TYGR's... However they're both good sets, and I'm having trouble deciding... I am leaning towards the Senns becuase I'm going to get an additional set for music.
@@TH-camHandlesAreStupid I haven't tried any, but from zeos reactions the tygr's sounds like its better
@@FalseNihil Zeos basically shit himself over those. They gotta be good.
HD 560s plZ
Thanks for the review. Your desk looks like the front page of my Drop website, and that makes me trust you for some reason. I'll probably be picking these up and will use my PC37s at work.
Playing shooting games with HD800 is scary, gun shots actually have that sharpness and crack to them. Super real.
Are they good for music as well?
To fix the clamp pressure on Sennheiser headphones I put a big hardcover book between the stems over night. Like a thin cookbook. Works like a charm and, as long as you're careful, won't damage the headphones.
yeah! dont use too wide books tho
Still waiting for linus to comment 😂
Thank you Z Reviews for using my video, I'm glad you are using it for testing :D I Have actually watched a video of you to buy me a headset :)
2:49 was that a G-man reference? Lol
funny how we catch that.
@@adam99x2004 The inner gamer geek woke up and shouted at my face when he said that.
The right reference in the wrong place
Conclusions 19:04. Nice release, I am no longer looking to get only a 58X
Love your commentary style! Feels raw and real. If I had to make a decision between these and the hd58x, which would you go for? Kind of prefer the aesthetics of the jubilee's but I will prefer having the better headset in terms of gaming sound quality and experience. Also, would adding a DAC to the mix change your answer? Microphone is not a deciding factor for me.
yo this POV got me waiting for a stepmom to enter any moment
Bruh 🤣🤣🤣
"I wish that package would just instantly disintegrate as soon as I took it out of it"
9:09 I'm one of these people. The moment I tried the PC38x on, I was like wowzers! They sounded amazing even without a DAC. I then tried them with my iPhone and I couldn't believe the soundstage I was getting. And because they're low powered, you don't need an AMP. I loved them so much, now I want to try everything else Sennheiser has to offer. And the icing on the cake? They are EXTREMELY comfortable to wear. It doesn't even feel like you're wearing any headphones at all.
The card is not wrong, it shows the difference between PC38X and PC37X, not between pads.
I got the 38X and the 6XX a week later. I can’t tell the difference between the two?! I’m glad you’re saying the sound is really good! I might just sell the 6XX on.
Which one dac amp are you recommend for this ?
I agree it says 28ohm but they do need an amp I just want a headset that makes me feel the direction of bullets hits through the bass.
That color is...offputting.
How's it stack up against the TYGRs?
I would like to know as well
Same here, they are nearly identical in qualities
I'm wondering the same thing with TYGRs and the new HD 560S
I think the TYGR are more comfy off the bat. Less low end on these. The Soundstage is where it varies. TYGR are more normal, These sound weird but in a good way.
I'm confused lol
I have PC38X and HD58X
PC38X is all around headphones with mic
HD58X is more music oriented
Both have pretty similar sensitivity for smartphone
I retired HD599 and took the pad out for PC38X and it sounds better than HD599
I've been disappointed every time I try to "upgrade" from my hd 579's. Should I take another chance?
Im trying to upgrade from my dads hd598se’s, and I like having the isolation of my hyperx cloud ii’s. the only thing intesting are the oandas but those are 400 us and these, the tygrs and the hd580x/6xx are in the200s but open back, and im worries the 58x and 6xx would be too similar
@@cadetsparklez3300 buy 1more triple driver over ear and mod them.
I love the Fidelio X2 for general use. For fun
4:05 "The low-end is OPPOTY"
Blon reference
when my friends ask for good headphones. Send them straight to this channel xD
same men. Z reviews is such a cool guy ( seems like one atleast). I just feel like I can trust this guy.
PC38x vs Beyerdynamics MMX 300 v2?
Love the review and the dungeon man, mine ship tomorrow. Excited to see how the drivers compare to my old pc37x thats been handed down to my brother
So itss the 38 better than the 37?
Id say overall theyre really similar. Its nice the pc38x comes with two cables this time so theres more flexibility (my 37 only came with the two jack input cable). The mic as far as I can tell is exactly the same, but the drivers are for sure a step up. Initially I wasnt too blown away playing them on my phone when i got them but after plugging them into my headphone DAC and amp and playing for a while things got much more impactful. Sound is more punchy and the bass extension is improved. I think if you already have the 37 its probably not worth doing such a small upgrade ( id just go for a really nice air of headphones plus a modmic usb) but its a noticable step up in sound from the 37x. Slightly more comfortable with long periods with the new split headband too! Very subtle change but its one that was worth making.
The FR graphs clearly says it’s comparing the 37X vs the 38X not the pads difference
The video that changed everything for me.
Z with one is better for gaming, PC38x or Hd58x ???
The audio quality he's hearing, can you get it without a dac/amp?
How do you like this when compared to the sph9500? :)
I want to know this too
Those would be a good upgrade to the PC37X? I'm very happy with mine, only one problem with the volume knob that i fix with disordering it and a bit of glue.
these or mmx300 2?
If you have the budget. I LOOOOVE the MMX300
@@ZReviews already have them. Thanks!!
I don't watch Z-reviews for objectivity because I honestly don't think Z ever eggs on anything he reviews but it's nice to get the sound demos.
Bought these, and while they're good - they are no HD 58x that's for sure. They definetely also need an amp, since 100% volume is not enough on my ASUS Crosshair VIII X570 onboard audio - 28Ω my ass, maybe to get sound but the sound pressure is only 109dB. So You need more power then PC37X.
zeos, AD2000X links to 660S. change yo description
ffff
how does the bass sound compared to a DT 990 Pro?
I think these may be a subtle refresh of the GAME One headset. Earpads look almost identical to those on my 598 SE. However I'm looking for a new headphone / headset and I think buying these may be just rebuying the 598s I already own
These vs mmx 300 ?
those but these but those but then these
@@T3hRipPeRr I get the dilemma :d
I decided to go with mmx 300, will have em by the end of the week hopefully.
@@KapucciMane i was mainly sarcastically imitating how zeus speaks but i get your struggle as i just noticed the mmx 300 is a closed back so i don't know how they would fare against PC38x or the TYGR 300r in terms of soundstage and imaging for gaming, hopefully you enjoy them regardless
@@T3hRipPeRr haha yeah, i get that now, my bad :D
yeah, i might get the tygr in the future for trying out the open back.
I also produce music, so i know beyer to already be quality headphones, so once i started looking into gaming headsets it just made more sense than other gaming companies like logitech etc.
I can leave an update after i've tried them out.
I also got the Motu m2 to go with these because it was a perfect all in one solution for me, headphone dac/amp and midi in and out to send to my synths and drum machine from ableton.
I got mmx 300 and I have to say they are very dissapointing, I use them with saundblaster x3 and they dont sound that amazing for music if I compare them to hyper x cloud 2 with custom eq for them. But they are better for cs go, because you can tell a bit better where the enemies are. But if you compare the price hyperX cloud2 => 100€, mmx300 (headset 230€, 25€ leather pads, 120€ sound card) and it's just not worth it at all. Oh and hyperx cloud 2 are way way more comfortable with leather pads ;)
DID MY MAN JUST SLIP IN PROJEKT MELODY?!
Z is listening to a different kind of music with those on 🤣
Awesome review! Can you test them with the Sennheiser gsx 1000?
Squad TH-cam sound demo is an excellent choice to reveal the realistic soundstage performance of PC38X. PC38X sounds like I am on top of a hill as the picture during a war. My other headphones, HD600 and Mrspeakers Alpha Prime, are not even close to PC38X, at least for the sound demo.
so happy to see your level of details on every review! great job!
just ordered these, PC38X, and after that noticed that the HD58X are the same price haha and since you cant cancel ANY order from drop no matter if its after 5 minutes...
I just want to know that they will justify themselfs :It is for mainly gaming ( the mic is a need for me so thats one more reason why i picked them), but sometimes a rock songs and maybe more of a bass songs... it will be nice for them to be a good " all rounder". as i saw that the HD58X that seems to be more "audiophile" i just felt a little disappointment..
what do you think? i made the right choice? it bothers me :(
did you? how were they
@@edwinbeta2806 Well, they good - but i guess in that price tag maybe you can get something better.
I really think that all the criticizers should mention that you NEED to have an amplifier / amp to get the most out of them, even though they meant to function through a simple AUX plug in.
I bought them to game obviously, mostly Warzone, and the footsteps getting mix with other noises.
Bottom line: They good, I enjoy them, and I got used to them, although I defently think an amp will boost them high sky. consider that.
I bought a pair based off of what you said Z. ❤
I had a great time watching this. Keep it up!
The pads look like they are identical to the HD500 series, as far as the shape and how they attach. I bet any replacements for those would work for these.
hey man great vids...i just have a question..in this vid you have a red cable on the 58x on your right... any way you can tell me where i could grab a cable like that for myself? thank you
Cheaply built peace of gold best way to explain these not the best build wired but sound is insane it’s a very very very very good headset for 170 I’d say the best headset for the prove highly recommended
“This sounds really fucking good!” - Panthera, Zeos
Do you have a set of the 560s on hand yet? Looking forward to your review of that. Why? Need to find out if DMS Out Zeo's Zeo's in the review of the 560s.
What?
@@potion95 No no... he's got a point
unapt DMS did a Zeos style hype train review of the 560s.
No I know I just didn’t understand what he was trying to say. I don’t disagree I just don’t understand.
@@potion95 He's basically saying he wants to see if Zeos' HD-560s review can outdo DMS's video when it comes to the energy that Zeos normally puts in his reviews
Better than my MMX300?
I would also like to know this!
It's not easy to directly compare it, because the MMX300 are closed back. It's a complete different audio experience. For me personally the Sennheiser Game One is already better than the MMX300, because I need precise tracking in games, with the MMX300 I wasn't able to do that. I think it comes to what you need the headset for
He said in another comment (if you have the budget I love the MMX300s
They Look very nice. Still don't know If I should get the tygrs or These.
Would you say theyre better than the hd58x ?
Im hesitating between both of those
I'm more interested in the sound quality than the microphone opportunity
I'm planning to use them for Gaming AND Music
You going to take a look at the "new" Schiit Magnius and Modius stack?
12min into the review, but I have the PC360, one of these gaming headsets.
Have you tried to lower the volume on the headset and use high gain on the amp? I get crazy bass when doing that on a O2 combo
Linus didn't convince me, it was you who convinced me to buy PC38x. Almost bought the Astro a50 gen 4, but your excitement mixed with money saved vs the A50 was enough to buy the PC38x
I heard a lot about two Problems:
1. Rattling Bass at mid Volume
2. People in Chat hear themselves through the microphone
did you experience any of those things? Make sme unsure if I should get some
Should I buy the DEKONI PADS for them??
I was surprised that my GSP 500's were quite good at music detail seeing they are sold as a 'gaming headset', but as you stated Sennheiser often gets things right.
When gaming the 500's are incredible at getting the imaging just right and when used on high gain they really kick.
Curious if these PC38x's are like the 500's because they seem similar in build?
Same drivers as the GSP 500/600's
@@LordSmashington Cool thx for the info
@@LordSmashington you sure about that? the GSP 500 sounds like garbage
@@iancrombie6908 yep. I'm sure.
How are these compared to the BeyerDynamic MMX300 Gen 2's?
I would love to see a comparison of these 2 headsets.
I love your reviews man! You should review the Sennheiser GSP 500. Apparently they use the same drivers. I would be interested to hear you thoughts on that gaming headset.
hows this for single player gaming? soundstage and fun wise versus something like the hd58x
Hey Zeos im prob gonna buy these. Do you have a DAC/Amp recommendation for gaming consoles? My Hori fightpad doesn't have a headphone jack.
Even more better than tygr 300 R?
These or tygr 300r?
I wanna know too
@@Ben-uc9xn so far I keep hearing comparisons to 58x. Personally I prefer the tygr 300r to the 58x but I went ahead and bit on it so I'll see lol
Cb1scu1t I appreciate it man. If i wasn’t looking to rebuild my gaming set up from the ground up bc of the ps5, then id probably just buy both and then return the one i didnt like lol
But since i am planning on doing that, i’m hesitant on purchasing headphones… but these and tygrs are the ones i’m looking at.
I’m currently using the HD598SR.
@@Ben-uc9xn sounds like me. My pc build is on hold until i see more with big Navi and the lian li o11 mini come out. Downsizing on my headphones to make some money back
Cb1scu1t makes a lot of sense, i’m thinking of building a pc myself
this is a really good review and you seem like you know a shit ton about audio and stuff, which i dont, so i have a question. do the ear pads really make that much of a difference? i didnt know something like that could change much, but i was surprised that it pretty much changed your opinion of the headset.
lol nice Linus impression
Haven't seen you for a while Zeos. Already bought the 38's before I stumbled upon your review. Fuck I missed your humour, buddy. 😂 Loved the review.
Z - Regarding the mic/headset combo.. how do I get the mic to work with an amp/dac? Can I just run the audio cable through an amp/dac and the mic directly into my computer?
I've been using my 363D for 5 years now, do you think it's time to change/upgrade or do i need a DAC to drive the 38x to the "max" power ?
Now the question is because the drivers are angled, does it out perform the 58x in everything but the mids?
Interestingly i think most other reviewers prefer the sport meshy pads and say that they give more bass, and the velour pads make it dark, which is essentially accurate since you said it tones down the highs.
How does this compare to the MMX 300
What dacamp do you recommend for this friend at 20:00 since he is the type of guy that doesn't know what good audio sounds like and doesn't want to spend to much?
Creative G6? Schiit Fulla 3? ASUS Xonar U7 mk II?
Micca OriGen G2 ($100), Fosi Audio Q4 ($50).
Those are what I use. I used the Q4 for a while, then got the G2 for my planars.
@@Brunnen_Gee no audio inputs for the two you suggested
@@mungojerrie86 did not know about the ASUS Xonar U7 mk II, thanks!
Hi z I was wondering if these are very than SHP9500 or no I need a new headset so plz reply
A little off topic. Your the man to ask for this. 3.5 years ago I picked up a pair of shp9500 with brainwave angled pads, from your video. I just bought a pair of he400i and want to get a cable like the vmodo boom pro. Any way you can cut up a set and make a cable that has a half inch left with a 16in right side cable. Your most likely never to see this but thanks in advance.
Do you need a dac to make these sound good? Its only 28 oms? Sorry im new to dacs and audio still
How do they sound connected to an Xbox controller
"If you like this channel....Which I don't don't know why you would."
I watch for my fandom and unlimited support for future Zeos, ONLY..Okay, Chewbacca too 😎
CAT!
I have pc37x and I prefer it over the 6xx for one reason.. "SOUNDSTAGE"!
Listening to this through my Sennheiser HD660s.. While staring at my HD58x that I haven't touched since I got the HD660s 😅👌
Cheers Zeos, I really needed that extra pair of headphones on my desk 😬💸 I'm not going to be buying these tho, since I dislike the color scheme 😒
Also .. It's nice to see that you got your "workspace" up and running at the new place 👏
These or GSP 600 in terms of sound quality?
I gave my PC360s to my brother because I couldn't wear them for more than an hour without getting a head/ear ache. I wear glasses and I think the clamp was too strong, or the pads were too hard, or something. They sounded great though, and I loved the mic. My experience with them has put me off getting any other sennheiser headphones though, as they're all roughly the same shape. I wanna be a sennheiser guy, but I think they hate people with glasses.
This video got me way too excited for these
Lmao love ur reviews i bought the pc37x because of u love them
How about these vs mmx 300's?
Trying to get an answer for this as well!
Does a Fiio E10K power this enough?
...wayyy up there, Morty.
HD560s soon?
How is this compare to the beyer’s dt 990 pro sound wise? Im planning to buy new headset for 80%gaming 10%movie and 10%music. Please do a sound demo for this. Thanks
Anyone know how these sound for gaming compared to the audio technica ath ad 900x's? Both seem to have really good imaging and soundstage and they're similarly priced. If the 900x's are anywhere close to the 2000x's, then I'd imagine they're a better pick over these.
So if I had to choose between the pc38x or hd58 for gaming? Which ones better?
If its ONLY gaming I think Pc38 is better
If not, no idea
I just ordered these because of your review. I was about to order PC37X and then saw this. In your opinion what DAC/AMP combo would go well with this? Would the Sennheiser GSX 1000 be a good fit or is there something better within the same price range I could go with. New to DAC/AMP stuff. Really want to get rid of these 5 year old Astro A50s.
Thanks
are they better than astro a50s?
@@bretttheillustrator oh yeah they are. I've since moved on to beyer DT 1990 Pros though.