PC38X - The Gaming Advantage?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ต.ค. 2020
- In this video I review the Drop X Sennheiser PC38X gaming headset.
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It's 4am but I also want to know how I can sonically elevate any future 4am's so I guess I'll be awake a little while longer.
Started watching at 4:30am too, what is this world coming to?
And now another 4am watcher joins the group!
That's a very well put together comment
That's ironic, I'm watching this video around the same time too. (3:55 am to be exact) I'm getting my set on the 30th. Looking forward to trying them out.
@Zachary Entenman This comment was so well phrased, it pleases my eyes
Love your channel! Gaming tech and audiophiles are a great crossover, think there will be a lot of gamers wanting better audio that would like to hear your views and expertise
Really love the videos recently they have gotten vastly better
Just waiting for mine to arrive from Drop. I went all black rather than the yellow iteration. Thanks for the great content lad.
Yo DMS plays destiny?! Was not expecting that, recently starting watching you and I love destiny and play it all the time, and I’m glad he’s a fellow sniper not a shotgun ape
He uses a controller, on which sniping is easier than aping imo.
@@devondorr8212 doesn't matter - that's a Bungie problem not a DMS one.
@@LakerTriangle I know, I'm just saying I don't think that it isn't anything to be glad about. After all DMS isn't playing on a console where you have terrible fov making aping much easier on a hunter
Agreed! I had a PC38X for a couple weeks and loved it! I've used an HD 599 SE for gaming and found it pretty much on par with the PC38X.
Which Is more comfortable?
Everytime I use these I am so impressed. I've also used DT990s and X2HRs etc but these are as good as it gets for gaming. I love it
Which one out of the 3 do you prefer?
@@tonywong1 I use my PC38x all day. I never used mics but I started using it this week for conference calls that I have. Not as good soundstage as the others but overall a very good headset. I don't see myself parting with this one any time soon.
Love your videos bro
Keep up the good work! Love it♥️
Great review as always, could I ask where I could find that wall paneling?
@DMS, I know you're a fan of the Bose QC 35 II, They are about to launch a gaming headset version of it! Can't wait for that review.
I’m getting them. You’ve convinced me
Hey DMS, sorry for asking again, but I was wondering are you going to review (or do you currently have any thoughts on) the T60RP Argons, because you mentioned it somewhere on the T50 Argons back then and I've been curious since.
I'd love a video comparing the pc38x, the 599, the 58x, and the 560s!
Hey mate how would you compare these to the gaming and audio experience of a 58x? When they dropped they were supposed to be one of the best for directional sense in games. Assuming you can drive 150 ohms of course.
Would you recommend these over any other headphones for non competitive/single player gaming? If no, what would be your choice?
Hey DMS! Great review, you convinced me to pick one of these up for gaming and they're great! Unfortunately I game next to my S.O and she doesn't appreciate the open back headphone when I game (should have though of that lol). What do you think is the best closed back gaming headphone? Or do you have any videos about closed back gaming headsets? Thanks a bunch!
I love it got the epos black version with the valour earpads and a mic cover with a upgraded longer wire and an astro mixamp my ps5 gaming is amazing
These for games and the 560s for music. Stoked for them too be off preorder!!!
Is the a90 review coming soon? I want to see you use them with all three abyss headphones.. 😍
Just got mine today!
already have the gsp 500 but decided to get these too as these look much more comfortable 😅
DMS's videos are really professional! On par with Joshua Valour
So if you own the pc37x is it Necessary to upgrade and what are the benefits between the two?
How does the pc38x stack up with pc37x for solely fps footsteps?
If I play mainly single player games and want a headset for immersion and in-game music, while still being decent competitive wise when I play with friends. Tygr or Pc38x?
WhT did you go with? I was thinking of getting sundara for this
Thanks for the nice review. Is it possible to get a 2.5mm balanced cable for these?
Also, did they not upgrade the drivers in this set as compared to the pc37x ?
Don’t know about the cable, but the drivers in these are updated. They are using the drivers that are in the gsp500, but tuned differently
I would love a comparison of these with the PG16 from Austrian Audio as it seems to com in at a similar pricing and might promise a similar performance with the background of the company (AKG).
I have the hd58x’s, bears dt 990s, 1990 pros which I’m probably going to sell (not because I don’t rate them just will never use them the right way to appreciate them the most) and Logitech x g pro wired. Which of those would you recommend the most for gaming I mainly play FPS but some sports and open world games. I’m trying to narrow down my collections basically and move 1 or 2 on. I do also appreciate listening to some music occasionally through them but that’s very rare my main use is for gaming. Would really appreciate your expert opinion on them and finally is it actually worth picking the pc38x up I have the hd58x are they similar? Thanks
Apologies @DMS for yet another post, but I was wondering what you thought about a good budget DAC/amp to use with the 38x for strictly gaming?
I use the qudelix 5k since it supports in line mic on usb mode and since it doesn't need a lot of power is as good or even better than fulla 4
Did you run this off your topping amp or were you always hooked directly to your pc during testing?
I wonder if I should buy a ModMic to pair with my old Sony 7506, or go for this PC38X?
First option is cheaper and will give me a better mic quality as I understand.
Can you please do a review on the Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro 80 ohm? I'm super curious on what you think about them.
Great video, some constructive criticism, maybe directly compare them to some of the popular options for the item like the PC37X, and pleeease do a mic demo, it goes a long way, and even tho your description of the headset’s mic is fairly detailed, an actual demo will be better, keep up the great work.
I did compare to the 37X, and there was 2 mic demos in the video 😅
A couple people missed them also.
Also I think the K712s are really underrated, not sure if you've tested those before? Maybe you've done the K7XX but not sure how they compare to be honest. The K712 has a really good soundstage but I assume not HD800S level but from listening to oluv / clavinetjunkie's sound comparison between HD 800S and HE4XX I can't bear to listen to the 800S. It sounds way too strong in the mids and highs where it just sounds like a really loud phone speaker
some sick snipes! Titan main? Good review thanks.
Did you change the hz settings on them for pc and if so what was it changed too default was 48000 24 bitz but I see it goes much higher what will give the best experience
I"d love to know how this compares to Beyerdynamic MMX300, that gaming one from LCD and maybe other higher-end "gaming" headphones.
Great ending to my all nighter.
hey guys, am new to this channel (which is awesome) and Audiophile industry. i have the GSP 670 and thinking of making the move to Audeze and their gaming line. Should i stick with Sennheiser or make the move? Any opinions?
Destiny!! Now I know you and Josh play. And you play a good amount I see!
It's you! I've seen you around Ironworker's channel haven't I?
@@cyber4598 yup he's a great Destiny YT'er on the rise. And yes I'm also a audiophile - I enjoy supporting these guys.
You absolutely have to get your hands on the Beyerdynamic MMX300 MkII closed-back gaming head set with mic for comparison. They are really really good, image well, have a surprisingly decent soundstage for closed back and have a nice bass slam when needed. Excellent mic. Really good all rounders, music too. I have few high end headphones and these are great in comparison. I'd love to hear your feedback on these v the PC38X
I hope to at some point! Good recommendation. Heard them at Z’s place a few times just gotta get a set here and find time to get it in the schedule.
Ah yes, enslaved random guy in the comments explaining feedback I needed.
@@ArkFisted What a strange thing to say. I'd really like to hear a comparison between the best open gaming headset and arguably the best closed. Please explain what is wrong with that?
@@Jamie-666 I meant to say, you said exactly what I wanted dms to do. To review the mmx300
@@ArkFisted Aw man, I'm sorry, I misunderstood. Apologies!!
I know this is a 2 year old video, but how are these compared to the Epos/Senn Game Ones? And keep in mind, i can potentially get the Game Ones for around 90 dollars, vs 170 or so for the PC38X. Currently use an Arctis 3 Wired for gaming, but also recently acquired a HE400SE non-stealth (for around 65 bucks!). But yeah, would like a bit of an upgrade for my Arctis 3, one which has a built in mic, and one I can plug straight into my PC. I can imagine the PC38X is for sure better.. but almost double the price better? Any input appreciated friends! 😄
Hey guys I am quickly falling into the audiophile rabbithole! I have a quick question I would GREATLY appreciate ANY solid advice on. So, I'm totally new to DACs/AMPs; I just bought the Sennheiser PC38x headset and I find them too quiet. Would an amp like this boost the sound significantly?
I love the sound imaging/soundstage I just need MORE VOLUME!!
Yes it would
Yeah I use my PC38X headset paired with the EarStudio ES100 Amp/ DAC (improved greatly over onboard Asus Rog STRIX X670E-F)
The PC38X is simply great in general for whatever you would use a headset for: Gaming, Music, Podcast, etc.. They especially shine in Gaming obviously - I mainly play Destiny 2 and just wow.. There's a reason the vast majority of reviewers rate the PC38X's the best gaming headphones, they aren't kidding. They excel outside of just "gaming" as well.
I just wish they offered the PC38X without the mic for like $150 as I use a a SHURE SM7B for my mic, regardless at $180 all considered they are still a bargain.
What does the DAC do to improve it?
Have you A/B tested them with and without an amp? Does it change anything? Wanna know so I can buy a Hel/Mk2
Wait you dont play with 100% volume in windows? I actually noticed that modern (more console game centric) games are often more quiet compared to Half Life, Deus Ex and Serious Sam for example but I do not get the "is this game now on the correct volume" or "the horror game raised the volume to scare to 100%)
Hey DMS, I'm curious. For somebody that does gaming/media consumption at around a 70/30% split would you recommend this headset over say the HD560S & amp + an external mic?
He said he does in the comparison vid uploaded right before this.
70% gaming? Sorry, I'd go with the PC38X... The mic is decent and everybody should copy Sennheiser as they did it right - move it up and it's muted. The volume control is extremely convenient and it does *not* suck for listening to music...
External mics are all shite tho, having some huge mic on a stand/arm is pure AIDS and modmics sounds like shit and are very expensive.
HD560s would be like my new k712pro and pc38x on qudelix 5k like my new set "on the go"
@@schmidth Even my C214 and SM7B…Actually even my SM58 DEMOLISHES all these tiny mics on headsets. Why don’t you go get one and try it out first? And yes, I do have a Mobius and the mic is still mediocre.
the banger intro song/ background music is
Ealot - No Time for Mornings
how's the comfort compared to the 600 shape series and 599/598 ? (for long sessions)
hello, been a while this video.. would you say this headset is better than the hyperX cloud 2 for hearing footsteps?? like on rainbowsix siege...
what headphones would sound the most like the pc38x but without a microphone attached?
DMS, are you going to review the T60 Argons?
do you play in straight stereo at high sample rate or with spatial audio ??
Was expecting a direct comparison to the Beyerdynamic tygr 300r, the price difference can compensate for a mic mod but the real reason for this comparison was the high praise for the tygrs in regards to gaming and imaging, all of a sudden being replaced by the PC38X ("and all other gaming headsets will put you in a disadvantage").
Waiting for a direct comparison including a jack of all trades since it seems you prefer the tygr for music.
Thanks!
He already did on the last. If it’s only for gaming...38X. If not than the Tyger will give you gaming but music as well
@@BrotherO4 I'll rephrase myself, I wanna know the differences between the two and what makes either better at what DMS mentioned. :)
How do the PC38X compare to the SHP9500+V-Moda BoomPro?
I heard hardwarecanucks mentioned something about that this headphone is similar sounding to the sennheiser HD56X is it true?
Which is better for PS4, ASTRO A50 or PC38X?
Is it possible to connect it directly to the PS4 console or does it have to be connected to the controller?
i own an ath-ad700x and i feel like i lose some details in both output when playing using the monitor hp jack and the mobo jack, when i use the mobo rear jack the audio can be really loud and hear some detail and more bass that i couldn't with the monitor but lose with both directional sound of footsteps and tank engine sounds from 2 different games when lots of sound are happening at the same time but when is almost quiet i can pin point their location
is this because of the hp or both game engines?
I've got HD599SE, which are super cool for gaming and still detailed with music
Same. I actually returned my pc38x and kept my 599s.
Great review! Curious if you can do a comparison with the tygrs. I know you said that the pc38x are superior for gaming but i’d like to know why in greater detail. If anyone else here has both please lemme know!
Im currently using hd598
hows the comfort with the hd598 for long sessions? I have the 58x and its great but the cushions kinda annoying since they are stiff, dunno if that wears out with time tho.
@@drizzlydr4ke i have no problem using them for long sessions! The pads were stiff for me at first too but over time they became softer
You should talk about eq some more as I’ve seen the soundstage can improve alot on these with eq
great video
Can you do a review on the Audeze Mobius or Hyperx cloud orbits? They are planar 100mm
What would be a headset that is just as good as the pc38x for gaming but also great for music?
have a Sennheiser PC38X. I have it hooked up to a UGREEN USB-C to 3,5mm jack. It sounds fine, but it doesn't get very loud. I want to add more volume to my headphones and use Dolby Atmos. I'd imagine that this will be more than adequate to give me more volume given the very low impediance (32 ohms) of my PC38X.
I want to get a headset doing the best at pubg mobile . i mainly gonna use it on my mobile . so is this pc38x is way better than the arctis pro and the Beyerdynamic tygr ? , the sound qulaity , the sound volume , pinpointing enemies , how clear the footsteps are
You think it could be a good pair with a Sound Blaster G3 on the PS5 ?
Is this headphone good for listening to music too? Do I need to buy an amp?
Hey, can you do a top 5 gaming headphone list? best sound + imaging + sound stage + which headphones would you pick if you went pro eSports?
The absolute best would be the HE-1 from Sennheiser. Other good options are the PC38X, TYGR, DT880, AD500X
The best headphones that are reasonably priced would be PC38x
I love that idea. Please make a video on the absolute best headphone if you went into esports!
I'm pretty sure Sennheiser designed their gaming headphones with eSports in mind because I've seen them sponsor LAN events for some competitive games. And as far as I can tell based off of reviews I've watched the HD800S are the benchmark when it comes to soundstage and imaging in headphones. PC38X are probably the best at an affordable price point.
Joshua Valour says HD800s then akg K712(now beaten by PC38X)
would you say these are better than sennheiser 58x or 6xx ? cause right now i have both
Can you do a comparison between the tygr and 38x? (Because you previously said the tygr was the best gaming headphone) and also the 37x vs 38x to see if it's worth an upgrade for someone who has the 37x?
He already said this is better for purely gaming and performance. Aka competitive gaming. Also he never said the Tyger was the best gaming headphone.
what do you think of the meze 99 noir for gaming and music?
Having used both, I prefer the 560 s for gaming. The clean bass helps you sift through sounds to tell what's going on.
I've heard a professional player say the same thing, that the detail of the 560S helped them pay attention to multiple enemies surrounding them at the same time better than the pc38x
@@yosixxx I think I saw the same video. He also said that the imaging was better overall on the 560s. The PC38x looses some of its imaging when something is above or below you, but the 560s fixes all of that. I could be wrong tho.
Fresh reviews says the same. His main headphone is hd560s plugged to Mayflower arc or zen dac. At the end the 3 top contenders are HD800s, hamonicdine Zeus and hd560s and even with the "advantage" of hd800s he dont recommend paying that much, he as well had tygrs (awesome imaging for small maps) and k712pro (weird center imaging)
these are all obviously better guys, but this video is about a headset. Obviously, the quality would be worse to accommodate for the mic, but it offers convenience in not having to buy a mic. Obviously, it would also be better to just buy a separate headphone and mic, but still. This headset is still a leading contender in the best headsets, not headphones.
huge difference in price tho considering the pc38x all in can be bought around 130$ whereas the 560s is around 170$ + 70$ for a similar quality mic to the pc 38x + $$ for an amp/dac because these kinda need it unlike the pc38x. So might sound a bit better but 130$ compared to $300+ isnt worth it imo
How does the imaging and sound stage compare to a DT 990 600 Ohm?
Did you guys get any issue where your friends can hear themselves cos of the pc38x? Making echoing noise. Im having this issue right now and cannot solve it
If I could get the 560s or this for the same price, and half the time i would use it for music, the other half for gaming and movies, which should I get? Thanks
Is there a set of headphones that you would recommend that sound like these but don't have the built-in mic? I'd rather use a standalone microphone and I'm looking for a set to possibly replace my hyperX cloud 2 headset with a different dedicated set.
I saw in Badseedtech he said they are pretty similar to HD58x, haven’t seen anyone else say that though
should you turn on windows sonic for headphones with these for gaming?
what would be the best wireless gaming headset?
I use He-5xx for Forza, F1, and Halo Infinite. Just because the soundstage is crazy good.
magnificent howl 😢
I still have a Game One, and I wish it had better music quality and it's a bit uncomfortable for longer sessions. Is this considerably better in sound quality and comfort than that?
Same tight clamp force. More bass than game ones. More fun sounding.
So, what pads are best to use with these for gaming? Wasn't clear from the video i thought
The default pads
Hi Dms, having a hard time deciding between this and the hd6xx. I do have an external mic and play a lot of games and listen to different genres of music as well. Currently running a hd450 bluetooth and find the immersion lacking.
PC38X
Good review, cable tangles because you are winding it wrong. Loop then Reverse Loop is your friend....
Would the PC38x or the Tygr 300 be worth getting if I have the DT1990, solely on the basis of competitive gaming?
If you are used to dt1990 I don't think so..
If you have the dt1990, i doubt you will perform any better in gaming with either headphone. Maybe your kd will increase by .1 but thats about it lol
No, people go for tygr when they dont have money for amp and dt1990, but many pros go for hd560s lately.
Is this scooped as much as Tygr in the upper mids?
How does the pc38x compare to Ath r70x. Which one is better for gaming only.
This without microphone would be so perfect! So im going with the HD560S, because i just dont need another headset with a microphone...
How are these for immersion? Bass response? Some people play non competitive games, if you had to choose 1 for Both music and gaming, this or 560s?
This will have a higher amplitude bass response than the HD 560S.
The HD 560S will sound more realistic if that’s how you define immersion (like me), but I know plenty of people (like Mad Lust Envy) who define immersion by having more bass and more excitement.
I have used the PC37X as my daily driver since it came out, and I published the first review of it on the web (still posted on the Drop page). I have both the HD 560S and PC38X coming to me in the mail (no pre-release samples this time), and I’ll be shooting comparison videos about all three. However, in the end, I always think it’s up to the viewer to decide which one seems more appealing to them, based on the info provided, so I won’t try to influence your opinion with my biases.
do they still sound the same for console as opposed to pc? connected to controller btw
Curious, which DAC/AMP do you pair it with when you play Destiny 2?
Dac/amps for gaming is absolutely ridicoulus
Are any other good alternatives when you talk about the sound stage to the PC38X?
PC37X? Though the PC38X is probably better.
The HD 560S headphone (no mic) will have a similar width soundstage as the PC38X, but it’s leaner sound signature and higher dampening ability should cut down on masking and distortion and result in a better perception of sound stage distance and depth.
Other headphones with a similar lean sound signature will focus on those details too, but headphones that combine that with the angled drivers in the HD 560S and PC38X are rare. Angled drivers cause the sound to interact with our ears a bit before going into our ear canal, which gives our brains a bit more spacial information as well. And of course, the headphone’s driver (speaker) ability to resolve little details makes a big difference in the information our brains use to understand soundstage.
Any closed gaming headset or headphone will have a smaller and more compressed soundstage than the PC38X, unless you’re constantly competing with background noise in your environment (IE traffic, lawn mowers, people talking, etc).
The PC38X is going to have a pretty darn top soundstage size among your options below the really expensive, high end stuff. It has a lot of stuff going for it in that department.
The akg 700 series, like k712 pro
I know this is a late comment but please consider checking out Hunt Showdown when testing out headphones for gaming! The directional sound design in that game is the best I've heard to date!
What about open design? I have 560s for music and I use wired over-ear momentum 2 for gaming and I have tried 560s - I cannot hear steps at all just because of my notebook fan noise. So 560s is absolutely unusable for me. Do you game in super quiet env to use open headphones or do you put them very loud?
just get a better dedivated computer for gaming becuase i know where youre coming from, im guessing a gaming laptop which are noisy asf. I wouldnt say they would make my experience using open backs unsusable but defenitaly better on a much quieter Desktop Pc. Unless your volume is set to max but sounds too low so id reccomend getting a Zen Dac for much more volume if thats the issue.
Just bought a pair. Do you suggest in getting a dac (such as in soundblaster g6). Or others?
no need
would these be a huge upgrade over pc37x?
Do you think the DT 1990 Pro is still suitable for competitive gaming? I have seen a lot of professional CSGO and Siege players use it. What is your opinion?
I found 1990 too bright. Gunshots hurt my ears. Also hard to drive
pc38x or h6pro? please answer. thanks!