LEX LUTHOR MENTALITY: A good God would not allow evil!
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#TimStratton #LexLuthor #EutyphroDilemma
No one ever says, "A good God wouldn't allow MY evil."
"A good God wouldn't allow MY evil."
There. I just said it.
There is no evidence that god cares what you do.
You are too small among billions of other primates for him to be bothered.
@@JamesRichardWiley And yet you are bothered enough to reply to Nathan’s comment about someone (God) who you don’t believe is real. Fascinating.
@@davidedwards460 🔥🔥
@@davidedwards460 - That is because people like James of an issue with God.
1. There is evidence and it is written throughout the bible, front to back, and the fact God took on human form, lowered himself a little to save His creation because God so loved the world. Since before the fall, He had a plan in place, it was revealed in Genesis and was right in the open - the best hiding spot.
2. We as humans are far beyond primates, especially in the importance or hierarchy of importance with God. Why? Because we are made in the image of God and he knew us before we were in the womb, which means before creation even began he knew since He (God) is eternal and outside time. He can see the beginning, the end, and everything between.
@@JamesRichardWiley God is a loving and personal being, He would not create something or someone that He does not care for. He’s also infinite and has the power to remember and see and care for every person who have ever and will ever exist. So no, none of us are “too small” for God to care about among billions of creatures. Just because you were hurt by the church doesn’t mean God is not caring. “Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground outside your Father’s care. And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. So don’t be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows. Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven.” Matthew 10:29-32.
This topic reminds me on my question about "Why God put the tree of knowledge knowing the good and evil. He knew that tree may lead to introduce adam and eve about what is good and evil" when I was a teenage kid. Now I realized that's because God gave them free will to do whatever they wanted but he also warn them not to touch the tree of knowledge. Free will lead us to into possibilities.
@Taufik Mukti yes, but that wouldn't be true freedom. To have true freedom, choice must always be present everytime. It's a happy life yes, but it's forced. It is not fair, just and true. That kind of happiness is cheap. You can only be truly happy on the path you chose yourself, but of course not all choices available end up being good for us in the long run. That's just the most basic weakness of humanity, thinking that we know what is best for us instead of trusting our one and only all knowing Almighty God YHWH.
@Taufik Mukti if God did that in the first place, you wouldn't be here.
@Narukami95 How can Adam and Eve's will have been truly free if they had no knowledge of good and evil?
@@hansdemos6510 Like I said, Its because of free will. Adam and eve had free choice to to whatever they want. Remember, God told them to do whatever they want but he also warn them not to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge or else they die.
@@Narukami95 I understand what you are saying, but if you don't know the difference between good and evil, you can't know that it is good to obey God, or that it is evil to listen to the serpent.
On top of that, Adam and Eve did not know what punishment was, whether that was good or evil, and did not know death, and could not have known that it was bad.
All in all, I don't think that Adam and Eve had "free will" as we understand it today. They may have had a statistical kind of free will in the sense that they could have done differently, but lacking a sense of good and evil, or a proper understanding of the consequences of their actions, it is impossible that they had moral free will.
Well here's the thing, Can God force us to freely love?
When you read into this question, it has both the word "force" and "freely" in it.
Logically, it can't happen. Because we reside inside time, logic, reason, space and matter. But God resides outside of time, logic, reason, space and matter. So technically, he can! But we wouldn't be able to understand it at all, unless he grants us the ability to understand beyond logical acts (and I'm guessing it's when we die).
But to not entirely refute Frank, he wouldn't do it, because he based everything inside this timeline. So by definition, when he gave us free will, he did it so he wouldn't intervene and control everything at all time. He simply plans out tests, highlights roads and opens/shuts doors for us to see if we'd be able to progress or not. Knowing that already, he adjusted everything precisely for each one of us already! But how is that free will and not called destiny you ask? Easy, God is capable of beyond logical acts since he resides outside of everything we know of. So it's destiny for him outside the timeline (realm of God), but it's free will (with hints and highlights) for us inside the timeline.
And when the guy next to Frank said: God can't do the logically impossible. By definition, he's limiting God who is omnipotent. I say to this guy: Yes he can! But we wouldn't be able to understand it! Would he do it? No, based on the evidence of Christ and how he created and orchestrated everything the way it is.
God does what pleases Him and gives Him glory. He chooses some to save and some will be punished for all eternity. He chose moses He didn't have to. He chose to harden pharaohs heart and by doing that He was able to show His power and glory.
What observation led you to make such a conclusion?
@@theoskeptomai2535 Gods word in Roman's 9, And not only this, but there was Rebekah also, when she had conceived twins by one man, our father Isaac; for though the twins were not yet born and had not done anything good or bad, so that God’s purpose according to His choice would stand, not because of works but because of Him who calls, it was said to her, “THE OLDER WILL SERVE THE YOUNGER.” Just as it is written, “JACOB I LOVED, BUT ESAU I HATED.”
What shall we say then? There is no injustice with God, is there? May it never be! For He says to Moses, “I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I HAVE COMPASSION.” So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “FOR THIS VERY PURPOSE I RAISED YOU UP, TO DEMONSTRATE MY POWER IN YOU, AND THAT MY NAME MIGHT BE PROCLAIMED THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE EARTH.” So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires.
You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?” On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, “Why did you make me like this,” will it? Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use? What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction? And He did so to make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory, even us, whom He also called, not from among Jews only, but also from among Gentiles.
That was the most annoying thing in that film!
The film was not made for Christians with God's love in them.
If anyone loves the world, love for the Father is not in them.
1 John 2:15
Timothy ivan why does a superhero movie have to adhere to your beliefs instead of someone else’s?
@@ParadiseLordRyu Well, the thing that annoyed me was not so much that it didn't adhere to my beliefs. Just that the argt has been so widely debunked.
Either way, the movie was trash
@@ParadiseLordRyu the movie doesn't have to adhere to christian beliefs but my point is Believers of Christ shouldn't watch the movie.
"Let the evildoer still do evil, and the filthy still be filthy, and the righteous still do right, and the holy still be holy .”
Revelation 22:11
“If you declare with your mouth “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved” (Romans 10:9). Now is the time to accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior. Obey His commands and repent of your sins because Jesus is coming back soon. Tomorrow isn’t promised.
Imagine if God didn't give us Free Will? We would feel like we've been forced to worship him.
How do you have free will, if you are scared of hell?
And there would be nobody burning in flames of fire either. What bummer right?
and we wouldn't know rape, murder, pedophile,stealing is wrong if God doesn't give us free will
@Twenty One Revolution
If we didn't have free will, we wouldn't even be questioning it in the first place ;)
@@brando3342 said right
Dying without faith in Jesus is like dying without soul insurance.
That's bad parable. Insurance can't worse your situation.
@@johnmakovec5698 That’s my point.
But you're still dead and there's no coming back from the dead.
@@Lili-Benovent Not for unbelievers.
@@ChristIsK1ng But there is an option, that real god does not like Christians. In that case you are worse off
I love to see how many people love our God and Lord Jesus Christ
Thank you for the comment One thing that I have to say God is our God out of respect for your comment ,and May our God bless you dear
Thank you for the comment One thing that I have to say God is our God out of respect for your comment ,and May our God bless you dear
Thank you for the comment One thing that I have to say God is our God out of respect for your comment ,and May our God bless you dear
He is so good to us
@@Calio007 Who Is
If God isn’t real, then why are we talking about Him in such a serious way? Do we argue the existence of Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy in like fashion? Wouldn’t we just laugh off His existence in like fashion? The moon, the sun, the stars, and all of the elements of planet Earth convict us everyday. The only difference between Christians and unbelievers is that unbelievers spend all of their lives trying to explain away those convictions.
The time, effort and emotions atheists devote to God says everything about their true beliefs.
If 90% of the world actually believed in Santa Claus and spent their entire lives preaching about his existence and trying to convert other people to believe the same, I think nonbelievers of Santa would start to speak up. But there is no Church of Santa Claus. Nobody reads the Night Before Christmas and thinks of it as a true and divine story. Nobody tells people that they will be tortured if they don't believe in Santa or don't live up to his standards. There is no political party that claims to be the party of Santa and tries to govern our country according to his laws. If any of this were the case, that would be a good reason to speak out against good ol' Saint Nick.
@@ADMusic1999 I totally agree with you. The influence of religions are far too big and makes a big impact on society just to laugh it off. I really hate theist who think they know better than atheist who believe in reason.
@@ADMusic1999 That’s a lot of words for such a silly argument. Santa is disproved every time “Santa” makes the purchase. Santa knows who “Santa” is. Everyone knows who “Santa” is. Santa would be nothing more than an agreed upon lie about how Christmas presents end up under our tree. 😂😂😂
That argument is going to shoot itself into your foot. Not only is it only true in certain contexts, its untrue in a lot of common contexts.
"Evils the opposite of love and what's love backwards"
"EVOL"
SLIVE JUST LOVE!
@@IsraelCountryCube pretty sure they meant "Evil is"
I've literally watched this scene of Lex Luthor some minutes ago (of course i do not agree with him) but I'm struggling with life and i need to get closer to Jesus, i don't usually see notifications on my phone but i saw this one. God is good.
Hey!
So we all struggle in life and that is what helps us grow closer to Jesus Christ! Those struggles will remind us, who we can depend on (Jesus)
I’m not sure how your daily routine looks right now but I’d suggest getting into a bible reading routine and praying everyday for the Lord to give you strength,
If you hear the call and feel compelled then that is God. Respond to that prompting of the Holy Spirit. Repent and believe in Jesus Christ and be saved if you have not or just repent and come home if you have. Jesus Christ is the only hope to be found anywhere. The time is running short though so don't wait any longer. It's time to get right with God.
"No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day."
John 6:44
"All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out." John 6:37
"Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest." Matthew 11:28
Amen. God is good
@@festushaggen2563 Tomb label: There is Trucker Pete waiting for eternity to be resurrected.
What you sow into is what you’ll reap. Faith comes from reading the Word!!! I was struggling with faith myself a bit ago but i started reading the Bible & I’m telling you, you can’t have faith in what you don’t know. Get to know Him and you’ll grow in faith I promise it works. Plus watching these kind of things & not watching movies helps. God bless
Justice without Love is tyranny. Love without Liberty is slavery. Liberty without Justice is insanity. Justice is the force by which truth is protected and preserved. Love is the force by which truth has meaning and substance. Liberty is the force by which truth is put into action. Justice becomes injustice because of lies. Love becomes apathy because of selfishness. Liberty becomes insanity without a standard.
The differences between the historical God and the legendary Lex:
Lex Luthor is power-hungry and self-righteous, and he fancies himself as a savior.
God/Jesus is all-powerful and righteous, and He is actually Lord and Savior.
Both fictional ?
@@mickqQ
Atheists: Confused between creative folklore and reflective theology as always.
@Ken Masters
Today’s theology is tomorrow’s folklore
@@mickqQ atheism is mithology
@Andro Santos
You wanna know what else?
Most countries stopped worshipping those myths and turned to the one true God, Jesus Christ.
Nowadays, atheist trolls are cherry picking and putting together these myths, just to do petty attempts by down playing Christ, or sometimes Allah who was known for foraging Christianity.
We also have actors who portray characters both fictional like Chris Hemsworth as Thor and non-fictional like Jim Caviezel as Jesus.
Great message like always!
Ya you are correct. But when I thought frank could have asked him.
Have you punished your child for all the wrong doings he/she has done? Why?.
Damn wtf, I watched joker over the weekend and was thinking about this question all weekend and it suddenly appears, God I hear you🙏🏽
I recently started reading my bible every night for the past week and I had many questions and this channel was good for me
Yes. This channel can help you find excuses created over more than thousand years explaining problems and unclear things in most perfect book....
John Makovec what is your goal and purpose to comment? I mean really I keep bumping into your comment randomly without exactly proving anything but your opinion which is invalid but sure go ahead and speak on “The Truth”
Amen brother keep abiding in the Word & your faith will grow more. I used to be an atheist,.. and the Word is of upmost importance never stop reading it!! Every day
its predictive programming. its not a coincidence that joker glorifies anarchy just like blm. its all planned. predictive programming is everywhere. check out the british 2012 olympics opening ceremony. satan will rule the earth until Christ comes back. we alr know how the story ends! stay close to Jesus!
@@johnmakovec5698 so I see that you follow this channel, but for what? To spread hate?!?! Can’t you see that the people here are happy believing in the true God and want other people to be saved also. What joy do you get from denying God and converting people to atheism
I was reading some apologetic counter arguments to my dad from the cross examined app on my phone the other day in his truck on the way back from a golf game. He turned off the radio after a little bit so maybe something made him think! This bald gentlemen also made him say "hmm..🤔" out loud one day lol. PLEASE pray for my dad's salvation for he is still lost! Thank you and God bless all who read this in Jesus's mighty name.
Unless your dad agrees with you and Frank on a specific religious claim, he is "lost"?
What does "lost" mean?
Sounds arrogant to me.
By the way, anyone be convinced. Some people are convinced easier than others, but I can still holes in the arguments Christians make. And in this video they don't even respond to Lex Luther's quote. They literally avoid the quote and answer it otherwise.
So you think your father deserves Hell at this point?
It's a false dichotomy. There are all kinds of ways God could intervene to stop evils in the world that wouldn't have any effect on the free will of the humans involved. Did God destroy the apostle Paul's free will when He struck Paul blind on the road to Damascus? Paul was persecuting Christians and God forcefully stopped it without removing Paul's freedom.
"God wouldn't allow evil"
So you are justifying the nonexistence of God just because of man's selfish action? Can we stop living in the world of combining a seperate actions. Man's action is man's action. God's action is God's action. Never use your evil action's to justify that there's no God.
What about God's actions? God is the biggest hypocrite of all time. People say God is perfect, but many of his actions in the Bible are one evil, but even if not, he can still do much better. Also I can apply that onto God for judging people for not being like someone that he sees himself as. He literally takes his own imperfections out on us.
@@TitaniumCheese Killing a nation sounds pretty evil
@@TitaniumCheese hmm so if you were to sacrifice your children with some sort of idol worship that's called justice? Sounds evil then any justice to me.
This still doesn't prove that god exists. Physical proof. Not a book written by man because they could have written anything and you would have believed it either way.
@@TitaniumCheese why not prevent the action before you reaches the murder? We hear plenty of stories of God intervening to save people from natural disasters, car crashes etc..
Truth is, evil is necessary for good. God is both good and evil and that's ok.. it's right in front of our faces, most things are duality.. man and woman, good and evil, life and death
lean not to your own understanding
But that is exactly how I managed to built a happy, successful life,
by relying on my own critical thinking and my own understanding.
What's wrong with that?
@@JamesRichardWiley were not talking about being successful... were talking about understanding God's word...
What did you use to understand that ?
@@mickqQ Gods understanding.
@Quincy
How did you understand something without understanding it yourself .
That makes zero sense
Ask any parent and they will tell you that letting your kids do anything they want is not a sign of love. You have to set boundaries. And sure God gave us 10 commandments but none of them said "don't enslave people." For the thousands of years that slavery was in practice, God could've popped in to say "this is wrong." But instead, he let the practice go on even through today in certain countries. God thought that it was so important for two men not to lie together that he called it abominable, but taking people from their families and shipping them halfway across the globe to be property for life was just fine in God's book - literally.
And whats your point in conclusion please ?
The slavery that happened in the biblical are and in the modern era have the same name but different ways of working
@@tjseries3057 Come on man! That is biggest bunch of apologetic BS!
@@s.s857 my point is that you can't just let your kids do what they want with no guidance and claim that you love them. The Bible was supposed to guide us; now it's just holding us back. Think of the American Civil War: the secular North against the Christian South. One side for freedom, the other side for oppression. One side believed in the Constitution, the other side believed in the Bible. The secular side was on the right side of history while the Christian side was on the wrong side and that's the way it's been in American politics ever since.
@@tjseries3057 does it make it any less wrong? Is it any less wrong to kill someone with a knife or sword than it is to kill them with a gun or bomb? Sure colonial slavery was more brutal than the biblical kind, but brutality isn't what makes slavery wrong - it's the notion that one human being can own another and that is something the Bible had no problem with.
The free will defense to the problem of evil doesn’t explain childhood leukemia.
Nor the idea that in heaven there will be free will, but no suffering. There will be love, but no evil. There won't be any diseases like the one you mentioned. And most importantly, the vast majority of people IN heaven will never have experienced any conscious suffering. They will have nothing with which to compare the joy, peace and bliss they'll be experiencing for eternity. But...supposedly they'll all be able to love...they'll have free will but apparently won't sin and even if they do, that world will NOT be corrupted BY that sin.
Actually it does. My brother had leukemia and was diagnosed when he was 3. Does that mean God was punishing him? I don’t know but I highly doubt it. However, diseases such as leukemia exist because Adam and Eve sinned. This threw everything down the tubes. Natural disasters occur, disease, famine, wars, all because of the curse of sin. A better question might be why does God allow this to take place? We don’t know but we know that it is for a reason that He will work it for good. My brother survived leukemia and is thriving now at the age of 26, he just got his first job and stays in great shape, having completed two marathons. My mother was introduced to what would become her career of a child life specialist, something she may not have had exposure to without this disease. My sister is 28 and she works as a personal trainer, my father is retired and writes stories and plays about faith now, and I am 32 and just recently earned my 4th degree black belt after over 20 years of martial arts training. And all 5 of us are Christians. Perhaps these are all results of going through his battle with leukemia with him. Not everyone is going to have the same experience of course, some will lose their lives instead. But we have to trust God, especially when He’s decided our time in this life is over.
It does not explain anything free will can have limitations and still exist is not necessary unlimited free will because unlimited free will leads to slavery
Free will is a bad argument indeed.
Is it right to ascribe evil to a symptom of a broken world, though? And is it right to ascribe good to such a thing as well? or rather, is it merely a consequence of living in a corrupt world?
God loves you so much and he wants you to freely choose to love him back. If you don't, he will light you on fire. So, remember boys and girls, you are free to choose.
That's not the biblical way of putting it, but I don't blame you for viewing kid that way. After all, most Christians teach that, contrary to the Bible that it is.
1:27 “since God can’t do the logically impossible” 😂 this proves the contradiction in the attributes (all powerful and all good ) given to their Christian God . Also how can an all powerful being not do something? 👎🏼
You seem to not understand what logically impossible are
Things that are logically impossible aren't things so they don't hinder god's omnipotent.
For an example God can't have a door be completely shut and completely open at the same time or asking God what does the number blue sound like.
That's what we mean by the logically impossible.
@@Deathlock61 you’re not understanding my objection. God is Omnipotent but can’t do the logically impossible, so it seems as if this being is restrained to operate according to logical laws. So if Gods power is restricted to reason I’ll make an assertion that y can’t I just worship Reason? Make that my God.
So people who die in earthquakes that's fine for him to sit back and watch...
The moment someone attempts to justify immoral actions (god sitting back doing nothing; god performing evil actions; god commanding evil actions), is the moment he loses the argument. If someone tells me, "I know my actions SEEM evil, but if you give me a few hours to explain, you'll see I'm right," that's code for "I don't have a leg to stand on." Actions that are moral don't take hours to explain why they are moral. The same goes for immoral actions. There might not always be a right answer, but that doesn't make the immorality any more moral. It was just immoral, and we must acknowledge that fact and move on. We need to stop justifying evil.
Zeddicus Zorrander stop justifying god doing evil how many times did he commit genocide in the Old Testament did he not tell Moses to go into the surrounding land and take slaves kill every man and child and take the teen virgins as slaves but yes of course if god says do it it’s good even though it’s not but I know that’s the Old Testament so it doesn’t count right.
God commands me to love him and worship him or suffer eternal damnation
rather than earn my love and affection
through his kindness and compassion.
James Richard Wiley so you think giving someone a choice worship me or burn is love? If you had children would you ever create a torture chamber in the basement and torture them endless if they didn’t love you ? Well that’s gods way. I am more moral than the god of the Bible because I wouldn’t torture my friends and family forever if they didn’t love me.
Ya but god never did any evil actions, he allows humans to commit evil actions out of love because he gave them free will
If you will not care to listen then anyone can't explain shid to you. Also if it is like that. Why did you care to listen when the someone introduced you to the concept of god? Why do you believe that something is evil just on the spectrum of your deduction of fact that truth will be that easy and straightforward to know if there is any?
Was just watching the lex luthor clip not too long ago, and was wondering how would an apologist respond to this. Low and behold! The Lord works in mysterious ways
Everything Frank says is coming from Frank.
Frank has his reality and I have mine.
Two different realities consisting of words and mental images
sharing the same space.
Right?? I love God using movies to stir up questions. And then when you get the answer, I can now use DC movies as a “gateway” to talking about the Bible with my friends.
Hello. I am an atheist. I define atheism as suspending acknowledgement of the existence of gods until sufficient evidence can be presented. My position is that *_I have no good reason to acknowledge the existence of gods._*
And here is the evidence as to why I currently hold to such a position.
1. I personally have never observed a god.
2. I have never encountered a person whom has claimed to have observed a god.
3. I know of no accounts of persons claiming to have observed a god that were willing or able to demonstrate or verify their observation for authenticity, accuracy, or validity.
4. I have never been presented a valid logical argument which also employed sound premises that lead deductively to a conclusion that a god(s) exists.
5. Of the 46 logical syllogisms I have encountered arguing for the existence of a god(s), I have found all to contain multiple fallacious or unsubstantiated premises.
6. I have never observed a phenomenon in which the existence of a god was a necessary antecedent for the known or probable explanation for the causation of that phenomenon.
7. Several proposed (and generally accepted) explanations for observable phenomena that were previously based on the agency of a god(s), have subsequently been replaced with rational, natural explanations, each substantiated with evidence that excluded the agency of a god(s). I have never encountered _vice versa._
8. I have never experienced the presence of a god through intercession of angels, divine revelation, the miraculous act of divinity, or any occurrence of a supernatural event.
9. Every phenomena that I have ever observed has *_emerged_* from necessary and sufficient antecedents over time without exception. In other words, I have never observed a phenomenon (entity, process, object, event, process, substance, system, or being) that was created _ex nihilo_ - that is instantaneously came into existence by the solitary volition of a deity.
10. All claims of a supernatural or divine nature that I have encountered have either been refuted to my satisfaction, or do not present as falsifiable.
ALL of these facts lead me to the only rational conclusion that concurs with the realities I have been presented - and that is the fact that there is *_no good reason_* for me to acknowledge the existence of a god.
I have heard often that atheism is the denial of the Abrahamic god. But denial is the active rejection of a substantiated fact once credible evidence has been presented. Atheism is simply withholding such acknowledgement until sufficient credible evidence is introduced. *_It is natural, rational, and prudent to be skeptical of unsubstatiated claims, especially extraordinary ones._*
I welcome any cordial response. Peace.
Thumbnails always bringing the heat🔥🔥.
A good God would not allow evil.. says who?! Why not?! Only if you believe your opinions are equal to or greater than Gods, could you even start to make that Argument... and they call Christians arrogant!! 🤓
Wooo fire in the hole!! 🔥🔥🔥
"A good God would not allow evil.. says who?!" That would be Christians when they call this god all good.
_"A good God would not allow evil.. says who?!"_
Says anyone who claims God is compassionate... which includes a lot of Christians.
@@jacoblee5796 false. Saying x is all good gas no bearing on x allowing evil in some circumstances.
Good parents do it all of the time.
Children must be allowed to make their own choices and real the consequences past a certain point.
The parent would be a BAD PARENT if they removed all culpability and cause and effect results of free actions if their children.
That's going to result in evil actions and pain at times.
Your all regiment literally demands that God can't be good unless he's the ultimate suppressive tyrant.
Do you y any chance ajeeeadu think God is a tyrant? Hitchens thought so , Dawkins thought so..
Yet both argue for what amounts to him being MORE TYRANNICAL.
It's all brain eating nonsense.
A perfect God DOES allow evil..... for a time .....hoping that we will turn away from it before he has to destroy it.
God cannot allow evil to exist for eternity.
Out of love, he does not destroy evil immediately, but waits, maybe all your lifetime, for someone to turn from it,
God is VERY good.
So the free will defence doesn’t come even close to explain natural evil. Why innocent babies suffer and die from diseases. So you still have an inconsistency there. Remember, these are internal criticisms...
And I have problems with free will, too. This is going to mean there’s no free will in heaven or that heaven isn’t perfect. If there is a way for there to be free will in heaven and still retain perfection, then god could have done the same thing on earth.
Secondly, if you accept free will, you need to forfeit your right to thank god for good things that happen. For example, a terrorist plants a bomb on a bus that blows up and kills a dozen people. Why didn’t god save them? You say god didn’t want to violate free will. Okay, same situation but this time people ‘miraculously’ survive. Maybe the bomb is faulty or it does go off but people escape with minor injuries. You thank god, but why? This would have meant he violated free will, and if so then he can do it more often in cases like hitler.
Thirdly, god constantly violates free will in the bible. Why all of a sudden stop now?
And finally, our free will is already restricted. I can’t think really hard and that then be enough to kill someone. My will there is restricted by nature. God could have made the world with other similar factors where it’s physically impossible for me to hurt people the same way it’s physically impossible for me to ‘think’ someone to death.
Not to mention the fact, that we, ourselves, restrict free will because it’s more loving. If you see someone getting raped, what do you do? Is it more loving to restrict the rapist’s free will and save the woman, or respect the rapist’s free will and let him rape the woman? I would argue the former... So this isn’t even something we see as loving ourselves. We see intervening as more loving, so why make an exception for god? I don’t see him being more powerful as some sort of excuse since we’d call superman more loving for stopping the rapist over letting him do so. Do you really believe that a world where god allows rape is more loving and better than one where he stops it each time? That if he did prevent a rape, you wouldn’t see that as a more loving action than letting it happen? It’s weird to me that we apply this other standard to god than we do for ourselves or superheroes.
Good points and then u have to ask why God didnt stop you? Read the Joseph story in the OT as to why Joseph was allowed to be thrown in a hole by his brothers end up in slavery getting his freedom and then saving his family from famine. “What u intended for evil, God intended for good”. We were never meant to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil but we did and this is the worlds quandary. Best to trust in Christ and let Him work this out or you’ll go nuts.
Icare This doesn’t really address anything said. The Adam and Eve myth doesn’t match up what we know when it comes to science but even granting it, it doesn’t stop a god from helping people and innocent children for something they had literally no control over.
Alexander Hewett
Hard enough to understand as a believer but if you don’t have the ground for which you can understand this question it will never be answered to your satisfaction. Again why didn’t God stop u?
Icare Why didn’t god drop me from what?
Alexander Hewett
We’ve all injured insulted or rejected someone in our lifetime so why didn’t he stop you?
I think it's better to call God "Maximally Powerful" not "All Powerful".
The reason I make this distinction, is because people think "All Powerful" means He can do ANYTHING, including the logically impossible.
It's logically impossible for God to both give us Free Will to do Evil but also not allow Evil (that's a paradox). So God can do ANYTHING and EVERYTHING, so long as it is NOT a logical paradox.
Practically, this doesn't change the way we see God - it's just a way to answer these logical riddles about God (like the old "Can He make a rock so heavy he can't lift it?" - no He can't; not because He isn't all powerful, but rather because this is a logical impossibility).
Good point. The way I'd answer that Theological riddle of "Can God create a stone so big he cannot lift it", is to state the obvious: the riddle is making an assumption it cannot prove. The riddle assumes there can BE a dimension of power higher than God, wherein said stone can exist. Unfortunately given that God is by definition, all powerful, such a stone cannot exist
Have you considered the possibility that god/gods are conceptual?
@@mickqQHow is that not gross assumption?
@Samuel Hunter
How is that a gross assumption
I’m not assuming anything , I’m asking you a question
@@mickqQ Not the question, the proposition. You asked "Have you considered all God's are conceptual", my reply is that said statement would be an assumption. You asking that isn't an assumption, but the very statement is.
If God would stop a murderer from murdering others, he might interfere with the free will of the murderer (but not actually, because free will doesn't mean free action), but the murderer is interfering with the free will of his victims by killing them. So Stratton's arguments make no sense.
@God First I might answer you if you start using punctuation marks.
@God First It doesn't have to be bad. :)
@God First Nice, thanks :)
Maybe I could've been a bit more precise: by free action I mean the ability to do everything I want. That's clearly not possible: I can't breathe underwater or walk on lava, etc.
My main point was this: a murderer interferes with another person's free will by murdering them. If God allows that to happen, then it wouldn't be worse for God to interfere as well and stop the murderer from killing.
@god first bro Hi.
God has infinite power but humans don't: it's not just up to the free will of a victim to stop his murderer from killing him. There are also cases where a victim has no chance of defending himself, like when someone is stepping on a land mine or being shot by a sniper.
Even if a victim goes to heaven, their family might avenge the victim's death, and they go the Hell because of it, so God not interfering results in several people going to Hell, instead of only the original murderer. Of course if that happens, the victim's family will be at fault ultimately, they could've resisted the urge to avenge the victim, but surely you can agree that the original murderer greatly increased their chances of committing a murder, so the original murderer is also responsible. There's clearly a difference between avenging your friend and murdering someone in cold blood: in the first case the original murderer provided incentive for the murder, in the second there was no outside force.
Whatever happens, God directly or indirectly helps interfere with a person's free will: if he keeps a murderer from killing someone, God interferes with the murderer's free will. If God doesn't do anything, the murderer interferes with the victim's free will, and if the victim somehow saves himself, the victim interferes with the murderer's free will. In all cases someone interferes with someone's free will.
@god first bro Hi.
No problem, we all make mistakes. :) Your grammar is very good though, keep it up!
Perhaps it's actually possible to interfere with a person's ability to choose: it may be possible to remove so many parts of a person's brain that they become a machine that acts on instinct and has no free will. Although you could argue that perhaps in such a case, the soul would leave the body and it wouldn't be a person anymore but an animal (just like animals don't have souls according to some theologians).
OK, well instead of land mines, I could say bricks: a brick could fall on my head any moment while I'm on the street. :) Or I could suffer a stroke, or there could be any number of reasons why I die suddenly. These last two aren't of course due to another person, they are all accidents in most cases, but not always: someone could throw a brick on my head, and my wife could deliberately feed me fatty food for years in order for me to have a stroke. :D
Your examples are interesting but the point isn't why you are in a situation where your life is threatened. My point is simply this: God interfering with a murderer's actions is no worse than a murderer interfering with his victim's actions. If both are on the same level, and the latter keeps happening all the time, then the former should also - but it doesn't.
A good god would not allow evil,
but evil exists.
So either god is not good,
or he cannot stop evil,
which means he is not god.
This took one minute.
No faith required.
James Richard Wiley Irrefutably logical.
If that was true then the end of Revelation would not exist. The day of judgement, reckoning and vengeance is coming and Satan including his entire army shall be doomed for all eternity. Revelation is also paradise restored and if you read it properly.
It took two minutes to debunk what you have just said.
Bye.
I disagree. If it exists, God could've gave people the freedom to choose to do evil while giving full protection to who such people wanted to harm.
Not sure what you mean in your second part of your statement, but God does give people freedom to do evil. However, doing sin stores up his wrath (Romans 2:5) and will judge you by your deeds. (Hebrews 9:27)
Are you forgetting that God is anti-sin?
Work on that sentence a little more. It's a little confusing to me.
@@JamesRichardWiley Now?
When I first saw the movie in theaters I heard a big groan come up as he said that line.
Did I miss a joke? Love spelled backwards is not evil.
It's not a good one but it is a joke. Phonetically it sounds a bit like evil. Evol. Even as a Christian I find that joke a bit of an eye roller.
God spelled backwards is dog 🐕
@@mickqQ that's very good, there's a few words the spelled backwards say something else. Thank you for listing 1.
There's also palindromes, which are really neat. And that Semordnilap is what you used is actually 'palindromes' spelled backwards. Neat right.
@@jaredhammonds8255 okay I thought that might be the case, especially when the whole crowd answered. And I'm a follower of Christ as well, I just didn't think it was a good *or* clever joke. Like you said, "eye roller".
@Carpaintry of God
If you don’t mind me asking
When you say you are a follower of Christ .... what does that mean ?
God just dont care about us and hes never returning. I hope he does...
This seems to overlook the context of Lex Luthor's comment, which is that God is tribal. Lex was speaking of gods playing favorites and having chosen people or tribes. Lex was saying that it's the tribal nature of God choosing sides to help one but not another that shows God is either not all good or not all-powerful. For example, Jehovah using his power to intervene to save his chosen people, the Israelites, from slavery in Egypt. But Jehovah doesn't do the same to help other slaves elsewhere.
In Lex Luthor's case, he says that no one swooped down from the sky to save him from being abused by his father. But Superman has swooped down to save other people at other times. Lex likens Superman here to God. So Lex was trying to set up a situation where Superman's adopted human mother would be killed unless Superman killed Batman. Lex's goal was to show the world that either:
*a) Superman plays favorites with humans and would kill Batman to save someone he favored more, which would mean Superman(God) is tribal and therefore not all good.*
or
*b) He wouldn't kill Batman because Superman(God) is all good, but his mother would die and he wouldn't be able to stop it, thereby showing that Superman(God) is not all-powerful.*
That's how I remember it at least.
I myself am not Christian. But I have to admit. With each one of these videos I watch.
In particular Frank Turek and Give me an answer... I feel it is harder and harder not to believe what they believe. It really isn’t close to “people who believe in angels”... there is a lot of solid points and evidence to consider and I love it. Much love and to all the people of the faith. Hold it high and don’t lose it.
We need religion ESPECIALLY in today’s world... and especially if it’s true.
You don't need religion to be a good person. Just like a being religious doesn't automatically make you a good person. You're definitely not a good person if you use religion to target another group of people by calling them an abomination.
If Frank Turek convinces you, you never were an atheist. He is a walking, talking logical fallacy and misrepresentation of science.
@@80sFootballCardswhat do you mean by “religion” and do you think you are a good person? There’s a simple test we can take to find out
@@KamiNoRanger99 By "religion" I'm usually talking about Christianity because that is the one I am most familiar with/grew up with and the prominent religion where I live. And also this video is a Christian video and Frank is Christian. But in general, I mean "religion" as in a set of beliefs in a God or Gods. And yes, I do believe I'm a good person in general and overall.
@@80sFootballCards how many lies have you told in your life?
I hoped somebody would debunk Luthor argument , because many will pick it up as the ultimate objection to God's existence , without enquiring
The answer is Superman itself. "All" powerful being who's care for humanity makes him let people be.
@@tomaszciszek3023 not Really . Superman is powerful but is not " all powerful" , He still relies on pre existing conditions for his own existence.
@@mi-ka-eltheguardian3837 that is why I used quotation.
Read the story in Genesis of a barbaric tribal god and his schizophrenic behavior toward his creations.
I did and holy sh..!
I had no idea it was that bad.
Seek God daily.
John 3:16-17
Romans 10:9
"Matthew 28:20The original Koine Greek, according to the Textus Receptus and Byzantine/Majority Text, reads:[2]
20: διδάσκοντες αὐτοὺς τηρεῖν πάντα ὅσα ἐνετειλάμην ὑμῖν· καὶ ἰδού, ἐγὼ μεθ' ὑμῶν εἰμι πάσας τὰς ἡμέρας ἕως τῆς συντελείας τοῦ αἰῶνος Ἀμήν[a]
In the King James Version of the Bible it is translated as:
20: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
The modern World English Bible translates the passage as:
20: teaching them to observe all things that I commanded you. Behold, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.
For a collection of other versions see BibleHub Matthew 28:20" Wikipedia.
If Jesus is always with me
is he present in the cells and tissues of my body?
How do I find him?
@@JamesRichardWiley If you really want an answer. Seek him. Repent from yours sins. Accept Jesus as your Lord. Faith is a gift from God. Ask God to reveal these things to you and keep asking him for the Holy Spirit.
But Jesus also commands us to count the cost of following him, Luke 14:25-35 are you willing to give up your sins to truly follow him?
When you are baptized with the Holy Spirit (different than water baptism) you will truly know he is with you.
Well if he knows that god he should Tell his Name 🧐... If he didnt believe In god ... Well shut Up and live your Life as you want...
Has anyone notice the confidence difference between Tim and Frank? Loved his answer but you can see him try to answer it quickly and when Franks speaks its so smooth knowing hes done this 1,000,000 times
Polished con man
The point is he's doing it (defending the faith and honoring God)
@Alantino
Do you think faith is a reliable path to truth
@@mickqQ great question. They work together. To believe in truth it requires faith (trust).
@Alantino
Are you using the word faith instead of trust , why do you need to put trust in brackets.
Is there anything you couldn’t believe using faith as a justification?
"He cannot do the logically impossible": well that's the thing, we can! We cannot constrain God with our abstract ideas. Yes, that includes logic, commons sense and reason.
lol what? Are you being sarcastic?
@@leonardu6094 Not at all. Before discovering quantum physics we though nothing could exist in multiple places at once, the notion still defies common senses, and causal reasoning.
@@xAngel03 There's so many problems with this argument. Let me point out just one: If you advance the notion that God cannot be constrained by the logically impossible, then you argue that you and i can hold seemingly contradictory opinions and be simultaneously right. I say God doesn't exist and you say he does, and both those statements are true at the same time in the same sense. Since you've affirmed logical incoherence.
I'm not presenting an argument. I just applied my interpretation of God's word on what Dr. Tim Stratton said. I'm not trying to win a debate or convince anyone.
@@xAngel03 Yeah and I'm telling you why you can't apply that to God. That's not what Omnipotence means.
What’s Lex Luther’s definition of good? Some cannibalistic tribes might state that hunting for human meat is ‘good’. We were created by God, we need to follow his guidance .
Good cannot be defined
it can be witnessed and experienced as a feeling
which is different for each person.
@@JamesRichardWiley Good isn't a subjective thing. It's completely objective.
Which god ?
It's Christian claims about God which are under examination here, so it's Christian standards of goodness that apply, not those of cannibals or fictional villains.
James Richard Wiley That’s exactly what the problem is and why we need God’s word.
Superman and Lex Luther being real is more believable than the Holey Babel.
If the Devil has limitations and Standards then he isn't all bad, and if he is all Bad, then he cannot have standards or limitations.
The evil done in His name? Huh?
Thank you for the efforts! God bless
Pales in comparison to the evil not done in his name I E can you say communists in the last two centuries
I wanna read his dissertation
Free will is the option to have choice in our lives, if God made our choices all the time than it wouldn't be free will, it would be God's will.
We had no free will to exist.
@@bepisboy291 Thank God for that!
GOD’S LOVE IS GREATER THAN HIS POWER!!!
When god drowned the butterflies, bunny rabbits, and unborn babies was that an expression of his love?
Is that why he used his power to create evil, as he proudly boasts in Isaiah ?
GOD allowed Noah 120 years preach and warn all man kind who mocked the idea of rain because they’ve never seen it, like most people mock GOD because they’ve never seen GOD yet.
the”evil”that GOD is referring to is the JUDGEMENT for our willful selfish sins, nice try sweet tart.
Haley Saipaia “ I make peace and CREATE EVIL “ Isaiah 45:7 Not “judgement “ - EVIL.
The bible ( which should be renamed “God’s Guide to Genocide “) amply demonstrates that your god is a monstrous, malevolent, mass murdering maniac, and I can think of nothing worse than spending eternity with this narcissistic thug and his smug, sanctimonious, self righteous, sycophantic fan club.
The question should be asked why do you hate God so much. And why does it bother them why we believe in him
I don’t hate God. Nor do I hate leprechauns or Peter Rabbit or anything else you find in a book of fairy tales.
@kongorikishi what do you believe where do we come from
@@1080lights
Fairy tales don’t save anyone, nor does anyone dedicate their lives to them as deities.
Leave your ignorance behind.
@@KenMasters. > Fairy tales don’t save anyone
Correct.
> nor does anyone dedicate their lives to them as deities
This is false. Theists do it all the time. Christians do it. Muslims do it. Hindus do it. You abandon rationality (if you had it in the first place) and dive deep into magical thinking.
@Ken Masters
You have
So how does heaven work? Its crazy how far off the point they got! This channel has an amazing ability to not answer the question asked. Nothing was asked about free will.
Obfuscation is the key to apologetics.
NO BODY DESERVES HIS LOVE/MERCY !!!!!
ALSO HE YHWH/YAH gain nothing by praises en worship !
HE MADE ALL THERE IS en that makes him ONLY ABOVE GOOD EN EVIL
They can answer to kids but not scholars.. Poverty doesn't come by freewill. Sickness doesn't.. Tsunami earthquake hurricane volcano etc..
A puppet is free so long as it loves its strings.
‐Sam Harris.
"Evil that is done in his name"
"Laughs in 3% of all wars in human history".
Yeah plus most of the religious wars were islamic wars.
The Old Testament is full of mass kilings in his name. But real god would not need those mass killings. Those mass kilings are best explained by fictional god, as every other nation in those times.
> "in his name"
I have no idea why that was tacked on. It has nothing to do with the problem of evil. The EXISTENCE of evil is the problem. It doesn't matter if a baby is killed for fun or for Jesus, just that it was killed.
@Donny Marchiano > Even if your ideal God existed you would not pay him the time of day
Nice. Even if you had zero evidence that your god existed, you would still believe in it. The difference between our statements is that mine is actually true, and you're spouting make-believe. PROVIDE EVIDENCE that a god exists before saying people won't accept it. Doing it in the opposite order is disgustingly dishonest.
@@johnmakovec5698 Is God arbitrary when He calls for them? Do you think God just got up one day and decided to just order people to be killed. God always gave reason for judgement.
Under which/who's standard is god good?
Under which standard is God not good?
The standard is his character
Well when someone dies for you to spare you from hell you kind of stop and think oh wow dude He is a good God
But some people just dont get it 🤷🏽♀️
@@festushaggen2563 Under humanism, for example.
@@s.s857 If someone dies for me, than the someone is dead. Is your god dead?
God does punish evil. We all die. But He loves us enough to resurrect us through Jesus Christ freed finally from evil.
What’s the point of letting all the evil happen and punishing in the afterlife in an ethereal punish instead of implementing a good quality justice system that protect victims and promotes peace
God is good all the time.
He gives His promise that He wont forsake us, and He always keep His promise, not like man.
God will help us. And He always there for us, because He loves us. We have to ask Father helps us and He will protect, provide, comfort, heal our pain and give us peace and understanding of His words. Thank you, Abba Father. Because of Jesus we have hope..... Amen.
My comment is not a suggestion. Thank you for taking the time to read.
God only helps in the after life. Being a christian, expect to be tortured to death like Jesus and his disciples were. Gods definition of good is extreme suffering and torture for "spiritual growth" - which js not in line with even the most basic human morals. Gods morals are that of satan, they are one in the same
Tell that to the little boy being repeatedly raped by his priest,whom continually asks God to make him stop,then again,maybe he is testing the boys faith,look what God put Job through.
@@JMRabil675 regardless you believe God or you don't you still have to go through suffering on earth because of we sin against God. (For the wages of sin is death...) And the purpose of believing in Jesus Christ is we have Him and His promise with us always till the end of ages and He gives us eternal life in heaven.
👉 not for people who do not have Christ they will be burn in hell when Jesus comes to wake them up from the grave the Lord Jesus will judge them one by one and give them the reason why they have to go hell because of their sins and what they did on earth. Jesus gives you guys many chances to be saved but you guys reject it.
(He gives you chance and you blow it). God has to allow it from happening but He does not make it happen is satan. Freewill is your choice to be saved
Thank you I hope you now understand the truth and never to late to be saved. Christ is knocking at your door (heart).
i'm starting to think these guys have an answer for everything
That’s religion fur you
Well it is their job after all, I think questions like these pop up a lot too.
@LCC
Their job is pretending to know things that they don’t .
Their job is selling snake oil .
@@mickqQ Not necessarily. Of course no one really has a perfect explanation for the trinity, but they've offered some insightful comments on other things.
@LCC
It’s based entirely on the assumption that there is a god ... whatever that is
I like that Tim added naturalism after atheist, cause we all know that atheists are free to believe even in god as long as it isn't theistic kind (for example deists). Supernatural, magic or anything else are for a taking.
But I found that there are so many wrong things in this video.
1st. Slavery, genocide, etc. are all promoted by bible so if you live by the word of god you are bound to become some maniac.
2nd. Based on christian beliefs you have free will in heaven. And everyone is happy, good and free there. That means god could do that here. He doesn't.
3rd. free will heaven argument also applies to love. If love comes along with hate (hitler example) then in heaven you are either also able to hate (nothing changes from earth, cause suffering would also exist along with hate) or those two qualities don't come together as a set. Whatever you choose you come to conclusion that either Tim's argument was wrong or religion is.
4rd. Issue that question guy presented was All - good god. Simply good and omnibenevolent are two completely different things. Omnibenevolenmt means possessing perfect and ultimate goodness. Goodness is doing least amount of suffering (or most amount of good). Therefore this kind of omni being would want (say only want cause to implement his wishes he needs other omni qualities) to remove all suffering altogether (cause ultimate perfect goodness). God has necessary 3 omni qualities. Suffering still exists. Therefore Luther's statement is correct.
Over 2 minutes and 4 points that shows answer was wrong, fallacious or/and simply ignorant.
Best answer would be something like "God isn't omnibenevolent".
For your first point Slavery is not promoted in the Bible. There are people who have said that same thing and asked and this channel has actually debunked it. Search the channel and you would probably find the video. "Slavery and the Bible Cross Examined".
As for your second point on us having free will in heaven yes I believe we will. However, after the rapture, those who have made it to heaven will be wrapped in the fullness of God's glory were there will joy and completeness of our beings, and sin will be washed away so although there will be free will it will bound by love. So it won't be the free will to kill someone as those desires would be cleansed from those who choose to be with God.
Your point about Omni qualities, I don't really get it so I cant answer.
Cheers!
Several things wrong with your arguments. 1. The Bible does not condone slavery or genocide. If you read into the Law, the year of Jubilee is a thing. The canaanites were warned for 400 years to stop sizzling their children and eating them. Cannibal comes from them. 2. Everyone is happy in Heaven because everyone in Heaven loves God. That’s all the difference between Heaven and Hell. One is in the presence of God, the other is a lack of Him. 3. There is no hate in Heaven because of the fulfilling presence of the Lord. How can one hate when the Father is with them so?
4. Goodness is the least amount of suffering? Who said that?! God is omnibenevolent for the simple fact that He is good. And I don’t mean that like “yeah He is cool.” I mean God IS goodness itself. All truly good things are simply in tandem with the Lord. The Law tells us what is good or not. Evil was only introduced into the world because of man’s free will. How can there be real and true joy when you are simply a puppet? What’s the point of God creating automatons who cannot love? You need free will to love, and free will allows the capacity of choice between hate and love.
May you find the truth, brother.
@@joshuaoliva1288 Nicely said bro. 👊🏽👊🏽
@@Fega Slavery part. I heard some of his excuses for slavery, some of which include complete redefinition of words or claiming that it was necessary. Both of them changes nothing. Would be helpful if you wrote an argument for it cause I am on a phone without earphones.
About heaven part. That shows that you can have free will, love without any suffering.
Omni qualities. 3 necessary I meant are omniscient, omnipotent and omnibenevolence. Benevolence (removed omni part cause auto correct freaks out) means that god wants to remove all suffering. Omniscience means that god knows of ways to do it. Omnipotence means god is able to accomplish anything. Good example is heaven. No suffering, free will and love.
Given that he is able to accomplish it (existence without suffering but with love freedom, etc. ) but doesn't (suffering exists) means that he lacks one or more omni property. Either he doesn't want to but knows how and can (isn't good). Wants to, knows how but can't accomplish (isn't all powerful ). And lastly wants to, have all power needed but doesn't know how to do it (lack's omniscience).
I hope that explained it.
@@joshuaoliva1288
1. I understand that you can find verses that says two oposite things. Like some verse allows buying, keeping and beating slaves. Some condems making kidnapped victims into slaves. Issue is that verses that allows exists and there are no verses that would say "Do not own people" or "Last bible was wrong, forget it".
2. Didn't say anything against my argument. So if free will exists in heaven. And everyone is happy without suffering cause they are in god's presence. He could do it here.
3. That means love and hate doesn't come as a set. That means Tim's argument was wrong.
4. "Goodness is the least amount of suffering? Who said that?!"
>>Philoshophical definition. Most amount of good or least amount of bad. Good and bad are oposite. More good you have, less bad you have. If everything is good that means nothing is bad (cause everything).
"God is omnibenevolent for the simple fact that He is good."
>>God is cause god. Circular argument that means nothing.
"I mean God IS goodness itself."
independent
"The Law tells us what is good or not."
>>You can beat your slave as long he doesn't die cause he is your property.
"Evil was only introduced into the world because of man’s free will."
>>Tsunami, tornadoes, earthquakes, solar flares... Unless you mean adam and eve which is another one of stories that shows how god of bible would be evil.
"How can there be real and true joy when you are simply a puppet?"
>>Self defeating cause you said that free will exists in heaven.
It is fascinating to observe atheism projection, which attributes the crimes of humanity to the Creator, by absolving itself.
Anyone who could prevent a crime from happening but consciously chooses not to shares in the responsibility for that crime, even if they weren't its direct cause. You can't say they're entirely responsible, but you can't say their responsibility is zero either. It's like watching an oncoming car approaching a child in the street and deciding to stand there and do nothing all the way up until the impact. Why should negligence and callousness we condemn in humans be acceptable in God?
Actually that's what religious people use to do because is the "will of God". Even in the Bible you have genocides that are fine to commit because God wanted and ordered.
This question is so obviously answered by the entire purpose of the bible.
Evil exists,God exists...therefore God permitted sin and evil to enter the world for His purposes..to demonstrate his justice and righteousness,which he accomplished in the death of His son on the cross.He as a result also demonstrates His mercy and love by forgiveness of sins of those that will repent and cry out for his mercy.Those who refuse Jesus Christ,will experience the justice of God,in Hell forever.Those whom he effectively calls to repentance will experience the forgiveness of sins and grace forever,now and in Heaven forever.
So again,God permitted sin to enter the world so He can demonstrate His attributes of Holiness and Righteousness,Justice,against sin,and to demonstrate His attribute of Grace,mercy and forgiveness for sinners who repent and turn to Christ.
Amen
"Is there good in the world?"
"Yes..."
"Could the world be worse than it is?"
"Yes..."
"Would you agree that, according to the Christian view, hell is the worst possible place because it lacks God's common grace?"
"Yes..."
"Then you already agree that God stops _some_ evil"
Only IF God is real and IF hell is real, which are the questions we're trying to answer. "The world isn't as bad as it could be, so therefore it must be God keeping it that way" just assumes God's existence and influence from the start. And it still doesn't explain why he doesn't make the world even better than it is, since he's claimed to have the highest possible standards that anyone can have, along with the ability to apply them.
Good and evil are subjective matters, what is good to me may be evil to you and vise versa but to expect people to believe that there is an old guy sitting in the clouds with a true definition of good and evil is an easy way out for Christians, did your God think it was good to flood the Earth and murder so many people, instigate wars and burn thriving cities, well I think those actions are the epitome of evil, the bible is full of horrors perpetrated by this kind loving God yet all you faithful Christians turn a blind eye to them.
If we had "free will" he wouldn't be stopping the evil, we would.. and it's not like he's getting rid of evil, he would just be placing the evil in one place.. (hell)
@@alexanderjackson8389 That's a good point, but it's not entirely true. Often, the evil plans of humans are thwarted by "happenstance" (a shooter's gun jams, a riot disperses due to bad weather).
Obviously, this doesn't happen every time, but it does happen sometimes, and my point is that this is God stopping some evil. Can you imagine if every evil plan anyone ever committed to was executed flawlessly?
The most torturous circular reasoning I have ever encountered:
(01) Humans have "free will".
(02) And because of that, there is "evil" in the world, meaning humans are "free to choose" to do "good" or "evil".
(03) And as humans get on with the stuff of daily life, i.e., "man's inhumanity to man," if God does not intervene or interfere, the argument is God is not all powerful and that becomes de facto "proof" that there is no "God"
(04) But if God does intervene, the argument is God is not all loving but is rather little more than a Divine Tyrant and is interfering in man's "free will" and that is the inevitable logical conclusion given by people to reject even the possibility of belief in such a "God".
So mine is just a simple question:
Is "free will" the same as "free to choose"?
Yes. We prove it everyday to ourselves and others. People argue the point all the time why the sky is blue instead of just accepting it. I’ve been a Christian a long time and do medicine and I hate suffering but I have to trust God implicitly w it. Most is done by man but God gets the blame. Important to distinguish what He allows ie free will and choosing vs what He causes. There are many answers why He allows suffering but most people don’t come to Jesus when their life is good, it’s when suffering comes along.
This will help me debunk a lot of anti-free will arguments. Thank you💯
God always knew the outcome of free will.
funny how those ppl say "the evil that has done on his name" so, when he killed ppl and kids by turning them in stones by looking back? or the time he killed moises bcuz he didn't said "god gave us water" so, if it wasn't god, who was?
This guy is weak. He cannot answer the question. He would get all tied up and excited and start telling us how complex mathematics is if he was asked what is 1+1.
wow that is honestly just sad, what is a two and a half minute clip too much for you?
To put it even more simply for you, God gave us free will, many chose to do evil.
@@caos1925 Adam, give me chapter and verse where God gave us free will. Eve chose the apple not out of spite or to defile god. She chose it because it looked like a good fruit. Then god over reacted and punished them and YOU and me. Adam and Eve were innocent - the punishment does not match the crime. ROMANS 8:20-21
(New Living Translation)
"Against its will (against our will, humanity's will), everything on earth was subjected to God’s curse. 21 All creation anticipates the day when it will join God’s children in glorious freedom from death and decay." God created all the death and decay."
God created the suffering, all the bad WITHOUT OUR PERMISSION. ROMANS 8:20-21 (Good News Translation)
"For the creation was condemned to lose its purpose (who we really are, our true self), not of its own will (against our will), but because of God willed it so."
We do not have free will. Because we do not investigate, we do not dare go against our conditioning and religion and we are afraid to go against "god", out of fear we conform. This is not free will. You probably still think that terrorists attacked the U.S. on 9/11.
@@bensurrey6836 It is plain to see said free will all throughout, God wants us to do one thing then we do another. It's not like the Bible is a textbook that says all the time' the answer to this question is this.' since God gave us minds He expects us to use them to think. Please try to be honest or are you ignorant? She did not "chose it because it looked like a good fruit" she took it when God told her not to, after she and Adam failed to resist the Serpent's temptations, she defied God thinking she knew better. God even told them what the consequences of eating would be. What they did was effectively treason against God, that is in part what sin is, and even today in our law systems, the penalty for high treason is death.
OK I have no idea which version you are quoting and that makes it hard to respond to, you cite the NLT and the GNT, but I looked both up and neither matches what you typed. Doesn't help you added your own commentary either in parenthesis, to twist it and force it to say what you want, to make this hate filled attack, blinded by rage.
Said suffering came about because of the Fall of Adam and Eve, humanity. You make it sound like we are innocent too, but we too have sinned, and so continue in this fallen world and nature bringing it further down. Its like if a bad manager gets set up at say a zoo or garden, against its own will the animals and plants there will start to suffer. That is a natural course of things.
God never give us a free will ..if he did..how does he knows our destiny .. .is lke we were created to fulfill the purpose and we can't diverge from it....so chose what ever u wish..but u will end up as God planned.
You will end up as god planned
or there is no god
and you will never know.
God knows our destiny doesn't mean God created our destiny
I don’t think he did a good job addressing the problem of evil at all. He basically says that it is logically impossible to affect free will because of god’s transcendent nature. That is the problem my friend: your god resides in a totality outside of which nothing exists, having absolutely no relationship with immanence.
At this rate, you might as well compare god to nothingness, since they appear quite synonymous in their utility.
Why attribute god to an agent that is bound by the laws of the universe, such as “free will”? Doesn’t this mean the universe has higher authority? Shouldn’t the highest authority be called god?
That's a good statement there.
You’re talking about the euthyphro dilemma. You’re essentially asking a form of the question is God arbitrary or does he follow a standard beyond himself when you ask “is x good because God says it’s good (being arbitrary) or is x good because God thinks it’s good (following a standard beyond himself). It’s supposed to be a dilemma even though it’s not because it has a false dichotomy saying either God is just arbitrary with his standards whether that’s free will or etc of how something works or is defined or God isn’t really God because he is following a standard beyond himself which negates the concept of being God.
The problem with this supposed dilemma is it doesn’t accurately identify a 3rd option. Which is God is the very standard and definition. If God is infinite and a perfect being, he cannot change by definition. Something perfect would not need change otherwise it implies there was a defect, and so if there were any explanation to Gods behavior or why x is good or y is bad that would mean whatever that reason is would be the ultimate standard above God so it contradicts the very nature and definition of what God as a concept is. As limited beings we always have a reason for our behavior or thinking but the same does not apply to an infinite being, God just is. To say it’s a circular reasoning is ignoring the definition in the first place. It’s not circular reasoning if you understand the definition of God. An infinite perfect being that has no cause to his character, he always was even before time began and always will be. So anything that is in agreement to his character is by definition good, he doesn’t arbitrarily at any point in time decide on things what is good or not. His character always was this way and never at any point in time was it any other way. That’s how to understand an infinite perfect being. If there begins to cause, then there was a beginning to Gods character, which doesn’t demonstrate an infinite characteristic. Again the definition is being violated when you suggest this.
When atheists ask the question for example “who made God?” Is asking a nonsensical question. Like the question that asks “what happens when an immovable object meets an unstoppable force?” Well two of them cannot by definition exist in the same universe. If you have an unstoppable force by definition you cannot have an immovable object and vice verse, so it isn’t a coherent challenge to answer in the first place. Likewise if God was created he wouldn’t be God in the first place so the question refutes itself. If people simply apply the terms and definitions appropriately people wouldn’t be asking illogical questions/challenges that don’t make sense.
If someone posed you a challenge “can you make a triangle with 4 sides?” What would you say to that person? -likely you would tell him he has the wrong idea of what a triangle is and remind him the definition of a triangle.
So my point here is understanding the nature and definition of who God really is, would be a great start to understanding how these questions or challenges are answered.
Tim Yang Maybe I didn’t make it clear, my argument comes from the epicurean provenance, not Platonic.
I have not mentioned what is “good”, I’m merely speculating as to which authority takes precedence, and assigning the value of god to that ultimate authority. So I would opt for that 3rd option.
@@Raz0rIG Trying to define God out of the Euthypro dilemma presents other problems though. For example, you said: " If God is infinite and a perfect being, he cannot change by definition." But to my mind that means he has no desires, wants or needs either, and every statement about God "wanting" something in the Bible would become untrue.
@@hansdemos6510 That's an interesting thought, would a perfect being have any desire? I wouldn't say need though, because again he is perfect. If a perfect being has everything they need, would they still desire anything? The assumption here is that a perfect being self-sustaining and sufficient for all needs would translate into no desire. Does that assumption hold up though?
Q. In the time of Noah God decided to preserve Noah’s family and everything was passed, and why is it that he preserved the devil to be killed later when he killed everything which was unjust..
@god first bro thanks for that knowledge
Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly. Help me understand this verse...?
Leviticus 25;44
Well..why do we have a lot of religom God's but only one devil/Satan. .
Would like the 6 hour version lol
Thank god for atheism.
I’m... I’m a little lost😂😂😂😂💀 (but for real, this was funny asf😂!!!)
...if he is all Powerful, then he cannot be all good...
Without also being all Knowing.
And Lex Luthor can't know everything. So he doesn't have the full picture. [Ie: the book of Job]
Just look at the any cognizant human being, even with their limited power, they can mess up trying to do Good.
Without knowing how to apply their strength, even trying to do good, can result in Evil.
Love spelt backwards is "evil" 😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣. NPCs everyone just consume what they are fed without thinking for themselves
Evil is terminal. Its days are numbered. Evil's reign is about through. The Great White Throne Judgment is coming.
Seems a little superfluous to argue about whether or not a "good" god would allow evil, when you're clearly discussing the god(s) of Abraham (El, Elohim, YHWH, Ba'al, really depends on which era. Also let's not forget that the early Israelites worshipped the whole Canaanite pantheon) which is indisputably evil beyond belief.
Have you considered the possibility that god/gods are conceptual
Every concept is conceptual lol
@Spectre
Is god ?
All gods are imaginary.
They are invisible
so artists can carve and painters can paint and writers can write
to make them come alive.
@@JamesRichardWiley atheism is imaginary
Yes. Have you considered that the existence of a universe without a creator is also extremely conceptual with no evidential backing?
If god could not do something logically impossible how is he all powerful how is he different then random human?
The opening of the video is hilariously, purposely, misquoting; leaving out the word “All”. The actual quote is : “I figured out way back if God is all-powerful, He cannot be all good. And if He is all good, then He cannot be all-powerful.”
When you conveniently leave out words like “all”, you can play with shades of good and bad and avoid the clear point the statement makes. It’s as dishonest a tactic as it gets.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth! That is the law of the world and the true beauty of God.
He is a good and all powerful, all knowing and humble, everywhere and no where, punishing and loving.
Much like knowledge, fools see an anthill and believe they know a great deal, intelligent people claim they know nothing for they see mount Everest behind the anthill they spent all of their lives climbing.
The better question is how can man, who's proven himself to be immoral by his own standards, judge God or charge Him of any wrongdoing? There's also no standard of morality without God so a definition of immorality can't even be established to charge God with.
Not to mention that most people who say such things also say there is no God which creates a whole new problem because nonexistent beings are neither good nor evil.
This is a catch 22 for the accuser.
If God is judged evil they admit He exists but just don't like Him. If they say God doesn't exist and is evil, they have no one to judge and no standard to judge by. This is an irrational argument on the part of the accuser that draws more questions than answers.
What makes you think you can not have a standard of morality without god ?
Introducing the concept of a god into a conversation about morality is meaningless.
Just because I would be a terrible foot ball player doesn't mean I can't judge others. People all the time criticize athletes even though most of them suck at sports so we humans can judge the morality of someone else even though we are not morally perfect. Plus god according to the bible had genocide the human race one time and has allowed evil and rapes where as most humans have not. The argument can easily be turn to say how dare a god that has allow such moral evils judge us?
Second, we can know a standard of morality exist the way way we know soda to taste sweet or meat to be tender. Most of us have some similar agreement on morality so it usually easy to say what is moral and what is not among ourselves.
@@tedidk8639 We're not talking sports where some play and some don't. Morality applies to everyone. It also starts with you if you want to point fingers. We can discuss the skeletons in your closet. Your hidden sins and secrets you hope no one learns about. Everything you've said, done and thought evil towards another. And then we can try to find some possible reason why you're fit to judge using a questionable and subjective morality that you've created by yourself. Also why that morality of yours is superior to judge another when you yourself cannot keep it.
All I need to do to is disagree with your morality and all that will be left is your subjective opinion. You can't prove anything right or wrong in a godless world of talking animals that only exist by way of a cosmic accident. If there is no God, there is no absolute objective morality to judge by and there's no way around it.
@TwwwJ JwwwT
Hi TJ all good I hope.
Yes, dogs do have behaviours that we would describe as moral
All living things seem to have a natural instinct to behave in certain ways.
We as a social species have social instincts , more advanced, but not completely unlike those of our ape cousins.
I suppose
If a god exists , then it would be dogs god and giraffe god.
Perhaps god wrote on their heart his to behave 👍😀
@Trucker_Pete
Why should I care about what you say , your particular version of a god says ?
in a conversation about morality , god is useless ... to demonstrate
My god says everything you say about morality is wrong ,
My god says I can kill you, and enslave your children
I have the right god, your god is a false god
First all we must let's define what is God/Evil!!
Most of us will say that we either know of some Good People on earth or some would even say they are Good People! Now Christ Said in St Mark 10:18 " .....No one is Good but God!! That alone shows mankind has a totally different perception of Good/Evil than The son of God!So as far as Good and Evil were already starting off in the wrong foot cuz most of us think we're Good or someone we know is good but Christ Said Nobody is!!
Good/Evil come for the same place! God truly is all good cuz everything God created is good. It's mankind that makes evil decisions(Free Will).
Is it really God's fault that we as mankind make poor choices??
God gave us 10 commandments! Most of us break at least one of them every single day of our lives....and we have thee Audacity to say God is not Good!!
God doesn't want robots
Right. God wanted thousands of years of human suffering only for the majority to be eternally punished.
The idea that God is not all good implies that God created people who are more holy, righteous and just than He. That just doesn't make sense. Though, I guess they can agree to that, and say there must not be a god, then. But I love Tim's reply.
I would like to hear Mr. Stratton cite scripture for some of the things he's saying... because I'm definitely not coming to the same conclusions he is when I read my Bible.
For example, freedom of will allows humans to choose evil and according to the standard monotheist account, this choice must bring divine punishment in its wake. If God knew in advance that a particular person would use her free will to choose evil, and that as a result she would be punished for this by eternal tortures in hell, why did God create her??
Some people find the "Free will" answer convincing others dont.Sadly,i am amongst those unconvinced ones.What is undeniable is that, monotheist have a hard time dealing with the "problem of evil".For Dualist, its easy to explain evil.Bad things happen even to good people because the world is not governed single handedly by a good God. There is an independent evil power loose in the world. The evil power does bad things.Dualism has its own drawbacks. While solving the problem of evil, it is unnerved by the problem of order. If the world was created by a single God, its clear why it is such an orderly place where everything obeys the same laws. But if Good and evil battle for control of the world, who enforces the laws governing this cosmic war?
Two rival states can fight one another because both obeys the same laws of physics. A missile launched from pakistan can hit targets in india because gravity works the same way in both countries.When Good and evil fight, what common laws do they obey and who decreed these laws??
The free will vs no free will is an an exercise in circular thinking that goes like this:
If god is always all powerful, all knowing, and all wise,
then the free will he gave you is an illusion.
If god does not have these qualities then yes, you are on your own,
and god is an imaginary character described in ancient Hebrew literature.
This is why independent types lean toward no gods.
@@JamesRichardWiley wow,I like this.I think Yuval Noah said similar things in his books,Sapiens(A brief History about Humanity.) And also 21 lessons for the 21st century.Any reference from your side??
I love that atheist are devoted to find out if God is real or not. I see em every day in the chat and it gives me hope.
Do you have any evidence for, or good reason to believe that a god exists?
I come here every day looking for either of these. I think I have watched all of Frank's videos and I haven't heard either yet.
@@somerandom3247 The evidence I have that God exist is his word. Everything in his word is true, and how do I know? by testing his word.
In the word, God says "Jesus name is all powerful" so I put it to the test. I remember just last night, I had sleep paralysis and many people will say "oh it's all in your head, you just imagine the images" but I saw figures in my room moving fast, and when I called out the name "Jesus" they all went away that second. I know those where real beings because I heard one of them say something while I was praying.
There are countless other testimonies of people hearing from the Lord and even fighting off demonic forces and if your to wise in your own eye's, you will pass right by your blessing. We're living in a time where information is access so easily, and if you don't want to believe in countless of testimonies from other people, then that's a you problem, and you already have your mind made up.
@@Blessed_Sound Where is gods word?
@@somerandom3247 The Bible
@@Blessed_Sound and the sleep paralysis experience is your evidence that the bible is true?
Adam, you assume that God gave us free will out of human dogma or what your preacher said without backing it up. Where is this free will mentioned? BTW I took all bible quotes from the bibles mentioned, the actual books - how can you miss that?
“ God wants us to do one thing and we do another.” Yes, but that came after the curse. Adam, we are born infected with this curse - or you call it “Fallen Nature”. Of course we are bad. It’s Free will taken away from us so we act according to the curse. I hope you understand this - why would you build a model airplane incorrectly? All god had to do is make us a nice place to live and that’s it. You will say, “he did, that is the garden of eden.” Ok, so why also make fleas, mosquitoes, sharks, the loa loa filarial worm that is transmitted by flies and lives inside the human eye, gravity, why did David get away completely with adultery and murder? 2 Samuel 11: 15. Look it up. There are many elephants in your room that you just will not turn and address them let alone look at them. Don’t you think carnivorous worms and the like are kicking us when we are down without our permission? Proverbs 16:4 was brought up to show you that your god births people that are made to kill, harm humanity. You didn’t get that.
These people are waiting like locusts for the time that your god gives them to do harm.
Adam! I am shocked at you. “It's not like the Bible is a textbook that says all the time' the answer to this question is this.' since God gave us minds He expects us to use them to think.” 2 Timothy 3:16-17 - “All Scripture is God-breathed (inspired by god) and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.” Adam, you are not a Christian. You are probably one of those contentious souls (pissed off people who deeply believes you are always right) who is just being contentious. If you are you take your ideas and opinions, create them in your head, pat yourself on the back, feel good about how knowledgeable you are, feel good that you are smarter than everyone and go spouting off to people. You are either a bad servant of god or you are listening to some bad preaching. You sound and are presenting yourself as an under 25 year old know-it-all.
“Please try to be honest or are you ignorant?” Am I?
No, Eve was exercising her free will. The serpent was right according to Eve, Eve did not die. Genesis 3:6 - “When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.” There is no disobedience, it was “pleasing to the eye” - she picked it, using her free will - and was severely punished - all of us for a minor crime. She interpreted, using her free will, the fruit as desirable for gaining wisdom”. No crime against god. Also Adam was not tempted by the serpent.
“You make it sound like we are innocent too, but we too have sinned, and so continue in this fallen world and nature bringing it further down.” We are innocent because we are infected with God’s curse before we are born. Psalm 51:5 - “ Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.” We are innocent and we are also guilty. It is not a difficult reason to see that molesting a child or climbing into a young girls’ bedroom window late at night, abducting her, raping her for three weeks, decapitating her, keeping her head and discarding her body to eventually be found.
“Doesn't help you added your own commentary either in parenthesis, to twist it and force it to say what you want, to make this hate filled attack, blinded by rage.” Not a commentary in parenthesis, just to clarify the obvious. “Hate filled attack...” Here you are proving my point. You are responding to your own made up view of me - this is not free will. I am not hate filled, this is not an attack and I am not blinded by rage. I thought I was having a reasonable debate with you.
Read this:
Is God willing to stop evil, but unable?
Then he is not powerful.
Is he able, but unwilling?
Then he is not good.
Is he both able and willing?
Then how can there be evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
Epicurous
Born: February 341 BC, Samos, Greece
Died: 270 BC, Athens, Greece
What I am saying has been ongoing for a long, long time.
His rsp doesn't take into account evil in the form of suffering due to accidents, disease, natural disasters. He doesn't take into account that there'll be free will in heaven and no suffering. And ostensibly folks will love in heaven...how can that be if there is also no suffering. Why won't there be 'Hitlers' in heaven if there is free will?
Some people really wanting a tyrant god I guess?
"For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only son so that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
Jesus is the only way to eternal life in heaven. John 14:6
So don't trust in your own goodness to save you. Transfer your trust to the savior and you will receive God's free gift of eternal life. And with His help repent of your sins. However, we do not and cannot earn salvation by our good works, so Jesus paid the fine for our sins for us. God loves you so much and showed that through Jesus Christ! Romans 5:8
Hopefully this inspired and encouraged you today. God bless.
If you think God cannot allow evil then you don't know God. In geometry how many sides to a plane? Does a plane have one side or two? not to be confuse with edges. God designed free will, you cannot have free will without a choice, if you choose evil because it is one of the choices then God will justly recompense you for that evil. It is exactly that simple.Therefore choose (God/good) that your recompense will be good beyond measure.
So people mess around.
Also people : ah see? If God is good, then why he allow the evil occurred?
You guys are wild why can’t you respect everyone’s opinions lmao. There are so many religions some denounce the other so right there is a red flag but I still don’t care I respect your religion. Guys there’s literally a satan religion soooo there’s a religion with like 500 gods. Then there are people like me cool man believe what you want if it makes you happy I just have questions but I believe and cherish things also just not a god at the end we all die. I hope that the religions for you guys are true tho idk it’s hard it’s like is it better to believe one religion than none at all or.... think about this depending when/year you were born and what region/country will dictate your religion.
Like I’m born in Usa but everyone here in my area is Christian/catholic/jehovah witness. But all there bibles say different things they pray in different ways they believe different things. I honestly prefer eastern religion like toaism/doaism/Buddhism but reading that literature hardly makes sense in the grand scheme of things. I mediate and try to stay stoic that’s it. People are gonna judge you guys no matter what we live in a society and we are animals.
Alright time for a crazy theory I came up with while on acid and high think about this. Any religion is legit if you can have enough followers like our human minds are so powerful that enough people believe in that god and set the rules for entry that god will come into existence. Think about it maybe that’s what has happened for centuries.
Alright FYI I’m drunk rn but this question will be alive for as-long as humanity exists it’s exciting and of course everyone loves talking about it I’m out guys stay chill.
wow...what utter nonsense.
First of all, you don't know the terms atheist and anti theist. I am both.
An atheist is simply someone who lacks a believe in a God. That's it. I've met many gentle, "soft" atheists who aren't militant at all but just don't believe.
An anti theist is someone who is against the belief in a god. Is opposed to it...and I would add religion. Certainly in my case.
So you don't know your terms. Secondly there are countless gentle, moral atheists.
It's hypocritical. The very visceral language that you accuse some atheists of as the verbally attack religion is exercised the same by christians and have been for centuries. From the street preacher spouting hatred and judgement upon all who pass them on the street to the pulpit...where christians have been telling people in their congregation how wicked they are, sinners they are, are going to hell, are as filthy rags, etc etc etc
How many times I have been called swine by these "kind" Christians.
And The thing about too many Christians is they can't seperate an attack on their belief system from an attack on themselves. I know, I've had many years of experience in just that
What is the Right of man to judge God?
God is the creator; of course! He is so good that He created us.
And those who oppose Him, they are indeed evil.