The Babington Plot: Codes, Conspiracy and the Crown

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  • As promised last week, we’re looking at the Babington Plot today…
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  • @pookietoes3
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  • @evelynzak8454
    @evelynzak8454 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Nicely done, I have to say Elizabeth had more patience than I would have had.

  • @jfs59nj
    @jfs59nj 2 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    “A dose of execution.” Do not wonder why I adore you and your channel. As always, brilliant.

  • @ladyicondraco
    @ladyicondraco 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I cackled at the Oliver Twist impression!

  • @lisakilmer2667
    @lisakilmer2667 2 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    I think you've got an excellent take on the plotting - both the anti-Elizabeth plots and the plots to entrap Mary. I agree with other commenters that Mary was extraordinarily foolish, even bafflingly so, as she seemed to never learn caution. Your suggestion that circumstances were engineered to goad her into being willing to entertain discussions with traitors is very plausible. I wish there was more evidence as to her thought processes, because she is one of those enduring enigmas.

    • @thefilmtube659
      @thefilmtube659 ปีที่แล้ว

      BUNGHOLES???!!! REALLY, BUNGHOLES???

    • @texashillcountry5506
      @texashillcountry5506 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      John Guy discusses the people who set up Mary in his book, Mary Queen of Scots: The True Life of Mary Stuart. A fascinating, deeply researched account of the forces committed to taking her down.

    • @alicejohnson8751
      @alicejohnson8751 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think Walsingham did fabricate evidence against Mary. If you look into him he was extraordinary devious and deceuitful and he worked hard to get rid of Mary

  • @astrinymris9953
    @astrinymris9953 2 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    I honestly think that Mary gave Elizabeth no choice in the end. Elizabeth warned her in writing not to marry Darnley, but Mary married him anyway. Then after Darnley's assassination, Elizabeth warned her to distance herself from anyone implicated in the crime, but not only did Mary fail to do this, she actually married the prime suspect Bothwell. I can't help but think that the astute and cautious Elizabeth secretly thought Mary a great fool who'd brought about her own downfall.
    I also believe that Elizabeth wished that Mary had fled to France after being deposed, because that would have spared Elizabeth the legal, moral, and financial charge Mary posed. Mary wrote to Elizabeth requesting both sanctuary and military aid, then fled to England without waiting for Elizabeth's response. Apparently Mary believed she could force Elizabeth's hand by presenting her with a fait accompli. This was a fatal misjudgement on Mary's part.

    • @jmarie9997
      @jmarie9997 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Thank you. It's frustrating how many people see Mary as a romantic heroine instead of a rather foolish woman who made one bad choice after another.

    • @briandelaney9710
      @briandelaney9710 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The Casket letters are full of forgeries

  • @SafetySpooon
    @SafetySpooon 2 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    Before Mary ever set foot in Great Britain, she had openly claimed to be the legitimate ruler of England. Elizabeth had every right to fight back against this declaration of usurpation.

    • @briandelaney9710
      @briandelaney9710 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      And Mary had every right to plot after being held in illegal house arrest for years

    • @bbybella9937
      @bbybella9937 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@briandelaney9710 no she didn’t. She didn’t have the right to try to kill the monarch.

    • @cassandrarose11
      @cassandrarose11 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@briandelaney9710 How was it an illegal arrest? Mary was a usurper and constantly contesting Elizabeth, and she had JUST fled her own country due to murdering her husband. How is Elizabeth the bad guy here? How did Mary deserve to plot anything? If Mary wasn't so proud and vain (tis a sin, she should know), she may have lived to die of old age in her lodgings.... she made her bed. Not sorry she lost her head. The woman made nothing but awful decisions.

    • @Funnybriton
      @Funnybriton 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@cassandrarose11she did not if fact kill Darnley. And was rape tho I would expect you to have any sympathy for a Scotswoman’s suffering in this regard.

    • @victorialadybug1
      @victorialadybug1 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Darnley was a fool. She should never have married him in the first place. Her reign was one bad decision after another.@@Funnybriton

  • @MsLogjam
    @MsLogjam 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    In hindsight it sounds bizarre that Mary believed she could take on Elizabeth and expect to win, sort of like Kim Kardashian thinking she could beat Venus Williams at tennis.

  • @historybuff7491
    @historybuff7491 2 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    It has always seemed like Mary fell into a trap designed to entrap her. It has always bothered me that Mary couldn't see the trap. But I have the advantage of seeing both sides...at least the sides that history has allowed me to see.

    • @brontewcat
      @brontewcat 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      The only trap was the communication was being monitored. Walsingham did not engineer the plot itself, he only engineered the way he could find out about and monitor plots against Elizabeth. The plot arose completely outside of Walsingham’s actions. It is a bit like the intelligence forces today monitoring ISIS and Al Qaeda today, and finding out about terror plots.

    • @historybuff7491
      @historybuff7491 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@brontewcat Yes, I agree, but it has always felt as though he stimulated the plot to happen so that he could get everyone, this time, including Mary, Queen of Scots.

    • @brontewcat
      @brontewcat 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@historybuff7491 I can see how it would look like that. A lot of the novels/ biographies I have read certainly suggest Walsingham encouraged various plots some elements of the plots. Antonia Fraser suggests he encouraged the overseas agents to think there was more support in England than there actually was, and exaggerated the conspirators to think there was more overseas support than there was. She certainly believes Gifford was an agent provocateur.
      I guess it depends on how much Gifford instigated the plot or did he just manipulate a plot that was already forming.

    • @historybuff7491
      @historybuff7491 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@brontewcat Good points.

    • @lolaadesina5362
      @lolaadesina5362 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      She failed as Queen in Scotland because of her poor judgment and she would have made a terrible Queen of England if she had been able to dispatch Elizabeth. Not a very smart woman.

  • @christinalaska
    @christinalaska 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I have always been curious why Mary chose Elizabeth for sanctuary instead of going to France where Mary had been raised and ruled as Queen for a few years. Just a thought. Thanks Dr. Kat!

    • @ellaw356
      @ellaw356 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I think she may have feared Catherine Medici. Just a looong shot of a hunch. Also she may not have had time since the Scots were on her heels.

    • @desertdaisymarie6951
      @desertdaisymarie6951 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      She SHOULD have, she had dower properties there.. I think she didn't for two reasons.. Firstly, she would have had to pass through enemy territory in Scotland to get to the coast.. Secondly, she thought her charm and appeal with the story of injuries done to her would work.. I think she genuinely misunderstood how much the Scots did NOT want her back.. They made sure the English kept her and worked on Elizabeth's insecurities.. To be honest, I don't blame them..

    • @rexgordon328
      @rexgordon328 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I think @ellaw got it right. She fled Scotland in desperate straits, almost literally in the middle of the night with only the clothes on her back, and England was as far as she could get.

    • @rexgordon328
      @rexgordon328 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Walsingham’s reply to Mary’s accusation that he had “forged” evidence against her is what modern journalists call a classic “non-denial denial.”

  • @conemadam
    @conemadam 2 ปีที่แล้ว +81

    The Best! there’s always more to know and Dr. Kat always delivers. I would love to learn more about James 1st( 6th) before and after his mother’s death. How did he view her and her house arrest ? I have never read any remarks he may have made, or was he completely silent? It was some years between his mother’s death and his ascendancy to the throne after Elizabeth died. I hope that at some point you can tell us what you know. Thank you again for a perfect presentation. And I am confident that you will get the 100,000 by year’s end !!!!!!!

    • @ReadingthePast
      @ReadingthePast  2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Thank you! I can definitely put this topic on my list for the new year 🌟

    • @husseinmuhammed828
      @husseinmuhammed828 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes we definitely need to know what he thought and why he seemed (to me of course) estranged from a mother who has been parted from him

    • @cathryncampbell8555
      @cathryncampbell8555 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@husseinmuhammed828 James I was raised by rabid Presbyterians who taught him the Great Lie -- that his mother was a harlot who murdered James's father, Lord Darnley. I doubt whether James was ever exposed to the truth, so his view of Mary Queen of Scots would be bleak.

    • @husseinmuhammed828
      @husseinmuhammed828 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@cathryncampbell8555 did he ever know or atleast hear stories of those that knew her

    • @cassiemontgomery45
      @cassiemontgomery45 ปีที่แล้ว

      I've wondered about this and this what I have come to believe is likely. King James VI (Scotland) was a baby when his mother, Mary, Queen of Scots, was forced to abdicate so he ascended the throne as an infant with his mother's half-brother, James Stewart, the Earl of Moray, as Regent. James didn't know his mother since he never saw her again after she was exiled. Also, James was brought up as a Protestant whereas Mary, Queen of Scots was a Catholic. I'm certain that the Scottish Lords around King James during his formative years taught James that his mother was a scandal due to her tumultuous marriages and her Catholicism. James was dedicated to the Protestant cause and hoped to ascend the English throne after the death of Elizabeth I so I think he probably didn't have too high of an opinion of his mother, at least not publicly.

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  • @jillipacs5886
    @jillipacs5886 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You know what amazed me . The fact that there were so many people that would risk their own lives trying to make sure Mary took the throne . Knowing what the punishment could be if they did not succeed . I feel bad for Elizabeth really . I mean she never married or had her own children to continue the Tudor bloodline . Then her own 1/2 sister plotted against her for the throne . Between her story and Catherine of Aragon's tragic story . My heart breaks for these women . We think our lives are tough today . Yeah not quite . I hope these courageous people who were executed are resting in peace . Please keep making these videos. I am learning so much . I am in the USA and just find your countries history simply amazing !! Thank you ❤❤

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  • @tombabington9652
    @tombabington9652 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    As a Babington I am always fascinated about Mary and the Babington plot - thank you

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    @diggerfan1936 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Fridays with Doctor Kat....what could be better?

  • @XtreamBrands
    @XtreamBrands 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    The big difference between the imprisonment of Elizabeth during Mary’s reign and the Babington plot is that Mary responded in print. Elizabeth has no response if I can recall, to letters sent to her during the first rebellion under Mary’s reign.

    • @YT4Me57
      @YT4Me57 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Mary was indeed a fool. If they come, let them come. I would have had no response.

    • @maggiesmith856
      @maggiesmith856 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Elizabeth was too clever to put anything in writing that could be used against her.

  • @kathyjaneburke2798
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    Thank you Dr. Kat for all the great history lessons!

  • @Myke_OBrien
    @Myke_OBrien 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fascinating as always. I would think that while Elizabeth wanted to protect her own life and her throne, it must have been difficult to order the execution of an anointed queen, as well as a family member.

  • @brontewcat
    @brontewcat 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I think you do a very good job in explaining the circumstances of Mary’s and Elizabeth’s story. Both women still inspire controversy and partisanship, and you do a brilliant job of presenting what happened in a nuanced manner.

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  • @andrewlangcake7431
    @andrewlangcake7431 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I have often felt that Elizabeth ,for all her intelligence ,only kept her throne because both Cecil and Walsingham were so vigilant ,cunning and utterly ruthless in ensuring that she did .I wonder if she ever understood how much she owed to their willingness to get extremely dirty in her service .Neither were wonderful human beings and they both undoubtedly benefited from their positions .It's hard not to admire their constancy though and determination to protect her ,even against herself .Wendy Langcake .

    • @gingersnap7822
      @gingersnap7822 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I think that's precisely why she gave them those positions of power.

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    I know you normally stick with English history but I would love a video on Catherine the great. Love your channel

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    I absolutely love your videos, could I be so bold as to ask for videos on the Stuarts? I see so many videos about the Tudors, and whilst they are my own favourites, I wonder if that’s only because they’re the most talked about dynasty?

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    I have loved Tudor and related history for all my adult life. How wonderful to have such a compelling speaker teach us about things we might not have gotten from our history books! I love your videos SO MUCH! Thank you for them!

  • @cathryncampbell8555
    @cathryncampbell8555 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you, Dr. Kat, for your erudite, in depth analysis of the Babington Plot. I never before comprehended how cold-blooded Cecil & Walsingham were, as they were willing to engage in the mental torture of Elizabeth -- in tandem with annihilating Mary. All of this is a lot like Thomas Cromwell's manipulation of Henry VIII in the destruction of Anne Boleyn: public servants in these instances were pulling the strings behind the backs of their monarchs....

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  • @HallowqueenCrafting
    @HallowqueenCrafting 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I've always been drawn to Mary Queen of Scots as a tragic figure. Losing her father and becoming Queen as an infant. Sent away from her homeland to be educated and kept safe when Scotland became too dangerous for the young monarch. being married and then widowed at such a young age, returning to a country who doesn't trust or know her despite her being their queen, being maneuvered into a marriage she didn't want for dynastic purposes, being forced to abdicate and leave her only child to be cared for by those who forced her out and having to flee to a country where her welcome in kinder circumstances should have been assured, but instead having to spend 19 years in captivity while circumstances beyond hers or Elizabeth's control put them at odds with each other. Neither she nor Elizabeth asked for this. They were sister queens of nations who didn't want a woman leading them. They had so much in common, but instead of the circumstances of their births bringing them closer together it made their survival and crowns almost mutually exclusive. It has a tragedy about it that almost seems like fiction. And you present it very well. I love your examination of what thoughts Elizabeth must have had in learning that Mary was coming to her for aid. Too often we forget that these historical figures, especially legendary Crowned heads of Europe are first and foremost people. And you help humanize them. I've enjoyed your content for a while and I hope to continue to enjoy it for a long time to come.

  • @michaelkopala3738
    @michaelkopala3738 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It is clear that in Tudor England, politics was a full bodily contact endeavor. To the Protestants in charge, Mary was a clear and present danger and could not be tolerated. Her death potentially saved thousands of other people from dying in the worthless rebellion and war. Still, it's a hard thing to swallow.

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    @jared1870 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Yes! 100,000 subscribers are attainable. I will be asking people to subscribe, because with Dr. Kat, history does not have to be boring.

  • @hobbesthecat6868
    @hobbesthecat6868 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have always felt like Mary was never taught to be anything other than a Queen Consort for France. As soon as Francis passed they discarded her and she was sent to a country she didn't really know. From there she made every mistake possible. She absolutely forced Elizabeth's hand.

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  • @--enyo--
    @--enyo-- 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I’ve heard the story so many times, but somehow I never realised Mary was only 25 when she fled to England. That’s so young.

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    ✨Dr. Kat, you will absolutely be at 100k before 2021. And girl, _you freaking deserve it._ I’ve been enjoying your uploads for quite some time now and they’re always fascinating.

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    @drjeandewet3747 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Yay! Perfect friday night! Wonder if im the only one studying the book titles in the background. Would have had so much fun with that if I was dr Kat😂

    • @kathyjaneburke2798
      @kathyjaneburke2798 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Me too! I also try to figure out all the little "things"!

    • @XtreamBrands
      @XtreamBrands 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      lol sometimes I try to make them out too

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    @katharper655 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I cannot begin to express how happy I am that the TH-cam algorithms recommended you to me! Wry, intelligent humour interspersed with informed History is a grand treat!
    Thank you, Dr. Kat, so very much!

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    @memyselfi8461 ปีที่แล้ว

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  • @somyod2u
    @somyod2u 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    My trivial question about Mary Queen of Scots is - as she was only given 24 hours notice of her execution, how did she manage to lay her hands on the famous red under-garment ?

    • @ReadingthePast
      @ReadingthePast  2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Good question, my assumption is that she already owned them - red was a popular and fashionable status symbol in addition to having the martyr connection.

  • @morriganwitch
    @morriganwitch 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    What do I think ? Even Queens were at the mercy of patriarchal machinations xxx

  • @charleston1789
    @charleston1789 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Yay! been looking forward to this topic...

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    I'm so happy I found your channel, I've been looking for a good historical story for my next musical and this is the perfect place to search for it

  • @LazyDaisyDay88
    @LazyDaisyDay88 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I first heard of this as a young girl when I read Alison Uttley's book "A Traveller in Time". Thank you so much for covering this topic. Fabulous.

  • @Colleentfay
    @Colleentfay ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Mary, Queen of Scots was star-crossed almost from birth. She made a series of bad choices, that's true, but none of them vitiated the fact that her claim on the English throne was at least as strong as Elizabeth's. Walsingham & co. cooked up the Babbington plot with the express purpose of ensnaring Mary in it. Elizabeth knew it, but did her best to shield herself from the knowledge of it. It remains one of the greatest blots on her reputation.

  • @revade6698
    @revade6698 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Hi, Dr. Kat. Thank you for filling in more than a few blanks with this excellent video. My only question is: why did Mary "seek refuge" in England in the first place? Was she so naive vis-a-vis the current political/ religious situation in Europe generally (and England in particular) - which I think is unlikely, or was she so confident in her own intellectual/political/sexual prowess that she believed she could pull a fast one on "unrefined ", childless, and unsuspecting cousin Elizabeth (more believable)? I would really appreciate getting your take on this. Anyway, I look forward to "meeting with you" over coffee ☕ again next Friday morning. In the meantime, please give my best to Jamie and Gabriel.

    • @hazelmeldrum5860
      @hazelmeldrum5860 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I have always thought was Mary was not a deep thinker and was influenced by others, also l am not sure she intended to land. Her intention after a series of drastic mistakes when she returned to Scotland may have been to go to France

    • @YT4Me57
      @YT4Me57 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      She would have been safer perhaps in Spain; a Roman Catholic country.

    • @brontewcat
      @brontewcat 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Hindsight gives us 20/20 vision.
      Elizabeth was the most supportive monarch of Mary when she was first imprisoned by the Scots. She wrote to the Scottish Lords after Carberry Hill threatening retribution if they harmed Mary. I understand Elizabeth’s advisers thought the threats may put Mary in further peril. Although later Throckmorton and Melville thoughtElizabeth’s fury may have prevented the Scottish Lords assassinating or executing Mary.
      None of Mary’s fellow Catholic monarchs offered her support and after the murder of Darnley Catherine de Medici was making noises about withdrawing France’s friendship.
      I have also read that Elizabeth was still sympathetic to Mary when Mary arrived in England, but it was Cecil who persuaded her not to receive Mary at court.
      Further England was closer. Refugees normally go to the nearest country. Mary may not have had much choice- she would have needed a ship to get to France. She may have only had access to a smaller boat. As we know from events this week, crossing the English Channel in small boats is not always safe.
      All things considered at the time it may have been a reasonable choice at the time, although a more considered decision may have been to stay in decision would have been to go to France.

    • @jmarie9997
      @jmarie9997 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Mary was a Dowager Queen of France. She owned property there and had the legal right to live in France. IMHO, yes, she thought she could pull one over on Elizabeth and get her to raise an army against Elizabeth's Protestant allies. Political savvy was not Mary's strength.

    • @moniquelucas5862
      @moniquelucas5862 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I honestly think that it was a combination of the reasons above. However it was also the sympathetic letters of support and advice that Elizabeth had sent to Mary that led Mary to (naively) believe that Elizabeth would help restore her to power and perhaps charm her way into the succession. We are talking about a women who had her whole life been lauded for her beauty and charm and heavily relied on it to get her way. So why wouldn't she get her way with her cousin if she had just met with her? Of course she reckoned without Elizabeth and Cecil and either didn't recognise or ignored the diplomatic disaster which her presence in England would cause for her cousin.

  • @patriciapalmer1377
    @patriciapalmer1377 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Elizabeth was comparatively circumpspect as a monarch regarding corporal punishment, and the era in which she lived.

  • @juliairzyk
    @juliairzyk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    This is definitely one of your best episodes! Very thought provoking!

  • @veesimmons2464
    @veesimmons2464 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I think Mary really underestimated Elizabeth.

  • @josephcollins6033
    @josephcollins6033 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    "...a dose of execution." WONDERFUL!!! So much here I did not know. Thanks, Dr. Kat!

  • @shanartisan
    @shanartisan ปีที่แล้ว

    I thought, after more than 10 years on TH-cam, that I had found most of the good channels and subscribed to them already. Not so, for here you are. Looking forward to rummaging through your back catalog. How excellent!

  • @mk82bk
    @mk82bk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I am a big fan of Dr Kat. You are the best!

  • @Rubiastraify
    @Rubiastraify 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Your channel is the best history presentation I've seen. I appreciate how you invite comments and what we might think of the subject.
    I've seen a performance of Schiller's, {Mary Stuart}, which was quite gripping, and real history is no less dramatic with its plots and intrigue.
    Thanks again for another enlightening discussion - and hope you get your 100k subbers!

  • @kaybrown4010
    @kaybrown4010 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This channel is one of my favorites. Thank you, Dr. Kat!

  • @user-ey3lu6lt9x
    @user-ey3lu6lt9x ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Mary had a ... knack? ... for poor choices in men and advisors. Elizabeth surrounded herself with wise people (even those she disliked, like Walsingham). I think at some point after Mary had returned to Scotland, in between disastrous liaisons with Darnley and Bothwell, she dismissed her kingdom in a comment that read something like, "i soon mean to have better," meaning England.
    Elizabeth, for all her faults, was married to her kingdom, even had it been a tiny island (oh, right, it was!). She would never belittle her country that way.
    Meanwhile, poor William Davidson. Privy council got the death warrant from him and after the deed was done, he felt the full fury of equivocating Elizabeth. Her main objection? The killing of a fellow monarch. That would make her even fairer game for plotters like Babington and Gerard.

  • @zackerylamb9511
    @zackerylamb9511 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Lol I love the Oliver Twist reference 🤣 amazing as always Dr. Kat

  • @thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527
    @thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527 2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    I would love to see videos on what Elizabeth intended with the death warrant and on James’ thoughts on his mother, and more than that I’d like to see a video on Elizabeth’s excommunication: what did it mean for her to be excommunicated, why did the church do that, and how did it shape her reign?

    • @sarahwatts7152
      @sarahwatts7152 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Dr. Kat would do a better job explaining, but my impression is that the excommunication was a free pass for people to rebel against Elizabeth. If she didn't represent their faith in any way, the moral grounds for rebellion look a lot better.

  • @dragonclaws9367
    @dragonclaws9367 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nobody would deserve 100k more than you. Stellar content. 👑🏰

  • @elizabethraitanen5057
    @elizabethraitanen5057 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I love history with Dr. Kat!

  • @fairwfriend
    @fairwfriend 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love your content SO MUCH that I subscribed twice! (When YT unsubscribed me earlier this year) Thank you all of the care and compassion you approach this sensitive topic.

  • @tuibabbington4869
    @tuibabbington4869 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Fascinated by any information I can gain on The Babington Plot...I have no idea if my family is in anyway related but I would love to think so!!...thank you.

  • @greyjanna
    @greyjanna 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank You for this… Love all your Videos

  • @seanreed69
    @seanreed69 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Loving your videos Dr Kat! Thank you xx

  • @nataliaalmeida-nacillustra5954
    @nataliaalmeida-nacillustra5954 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love listening to the videos when I'm working on something that doesn't require my full attention. You're so calm and polite, it feels like someone is telling me a story. Well, you are telling a story actually.

  • @Gimpygoo
    @Gimpygoo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Hi Dr Kat, I have a question I wondered if you could help with.
    The relationship between Elizabeth and Mary Stuart is well known, and of Elizabeth and her sister Mary Tudor, but do you know if there’s any evidence/insight to the relationship between the 2 Queen Marys?
    I wonder with them both being related, both being catholic and both being queens, if they had any correspondence? Or because of Mary Tudor’s ties with Spain, Mary Stuart’s ties with France, and the aftermath of the rough wooing, if they were strained?
    What would your view on it be, whether there’s anything documented or not? Thanks

    • @lynnedelacy2841
      @lynnedelacy2841 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Interesting question

    • @neilbuckley1613
      @neilbuckley1613 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      We know that Mary Tudor's preferred choice of successor was Lady Margaret Douglas [Aunt to Mary Queen of Scots and mother of Lord Darnley ] . England and Spain had been at war with France in the period leading up to Mary Tudor's death and the loss of Calais in this war was a particular source of pain to Mary Tudor. At this time Mary Stuart was in France married to the Dauphin and therefore "the enemy" in Mary Tudor's eyes.

    • @thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527
      @thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@neilbuckley1613 if that’s so, I wonder why she didn’t try to make Margaret her successor in her will the way Edward did with Jane? Perhaps because she knew how it played out between herself and Jane?

    • @brontewcat
      @brontewcat 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527 I think Mary understood the English would not support her fathers will being changed. She had already experienced what happened when Northumberland tried to do it with her. Elizabeth was popular, and she no doubt realised any attempt to remove Elizabeth from the succession would either fail - because there was little or no support for Margaret Douglas, or if there was any support it would lead to bloodshed or possible civil war.

    • @jmarie9997
      @jmarie9997 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@brontewcat By the time Mary Tudor died, she had lost her husband, her hope of an heir, and any popularly she had. Perhaps she realized naming anyone other than Elizabeth as her heir would just lead to another war.

  • @greekre
    @greekre 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ive been looking forward to this dr

  • @ladonnaadam5014
    @ladonnaadam5014 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you Dr. Kat! I LOVE this subject.

  • @lisaa.4667
    @lisaa.4667 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I just subscribed. You are great! You make learning history entertaining.

  • @Laceycrochet
    @Laceycrochet 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really really enjoyed this Dr Kat! And I subscribed to you a while ago as you make history entertaining and easy to understand! xx

  • @KatherineHugs
    @KatherineHugs 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You're such a great story teller, Dr. Kat!!

  • @nyckolaus
    @nyckolaus 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fabulous as always

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    @peggyanderson9952 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Been listening to your videos for a forthright. Absolutely love learning more history. Thank you. Subscribed first off, and always give you thumbs up. 🙂

  • @patriciapalmer1377
    @patriciapalmer1377 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Imagine my surprise when I saw how recent this is !! I stumbled on your videos by chance and have been watching old ones whenever I have a break and love them. Thank you, Doctor, for all your time and effort on our behalf and I wish you a healthy and happy Christmas and New Year !! Pat. America

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    @christiancamp6796 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dear Dr. Cat, I just wanted to let you know that, not only am I a returning subscriber but I have recommended your channel to all of my friends and family, especially my daughters who are, like myself, history geeks! Love your videos and your channel! Thanks for all you do!

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    @robertajeffries7505 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

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    Your channel is Absolutely Top
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    the presentation, well done my dear
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    @ariadneferreira2252 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Oh my gosh, you are so adorable!!! I wish I could subscribe more than once! 😄 I adore your channel! You are so intelligent, interesting, entertaining, and I have recently subscribed and have been binge watching your videos! Thank you for these videos!!! My mom and my sister love history, and I was so excited to share your channel with them!

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    @humanitarianH 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I look forward to the notification of your video every Friday!

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    @neoandersonwick3263 ปีที่แล้ว

    I find that the channel to be very entertaining and has renewed my interest in history also I've learnt quite a few things I've never knew keep up the good work also pbs should give you ur own show as u are awesome but that's just my opinion

  • @themurrrr
    @themurrrr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    On to the 100K!!!! 🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳

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    @noladesiree4800 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You're stories are very interesting and you're a fabulous story teller. Thanks for all of these Readings you do!!!

  • @coffeecloud
    @coffeecloud 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you Dr Kat. Informative, brilliant and balanced. As usual.

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    @jessicalowery3718 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love this channel. I watch it and listen while cooking and cleaning. Learning a lot.

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    @kimberlynielsen6485 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love your channel from the States! A Christmas 🎄 Tudor traditions would be cool!

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    @iSHiNE2011 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What a nice post-holiday treat! Also, if I could subscribe again, I would. I'm a sucker for Tudor history and all the surrounding time periods, so I love everything you post. I'll be cheering from home when you reach 100K and will help spread the word. 😊

  • @saragraham9744
    @saragraham9744 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’m surprised your not at a million subscribers! Such a great channel.

  • @Dolleemixtures
    @Dolleemixtures 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dr Kat!!! 90k wowww! That's incredible! You deserve it. One of my absolute fab channels here ❤️❤️

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    @bonnieskilton3247 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    We love you Dr. Kat!

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    I am subscribed already but have shared your channel to my FB friends. It really is an interesting channel. I love history.

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    @Annie-iq3hd 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love you Dr. Kat. All the best from Tasmania.

  • @susanhepburn6040
    @susanhepburn6040 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very interesting! Thank you for explaining this so well. I really hope you'll hit that 100,000 mark! I'm sure it will happen before too long - and will be very well deserved!

  • @maeve4047
    @maeve4047 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Just absolutely love this channel. I have shared and hopefully some are following

  • @theguest4516
    @theguest4516 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hope you make 100,000 by the New Year!!! Have learned alot, so far!!! Take care and have fun!!! 😷😎😷

  • @krawlb4walking802
    @krawlb4walking802 ปีที่แล้ว

    You have over 104k Subscribers now! I hope you continue to grow that base. Thanks so much for these videos.

  • @JockStrop
    @JockStrop 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    oh cant wait for this one!

  • @annebutler5169
    @annebutler5169 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Congratulations on all you subscribers. I wish history was taught like this at school. You make it very interesting. I also love some of your expressions. Thank you.

  • @glorialange6446
    @glorialange6446 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have always thought there was a great possibility that Walsingham either outright framed Mary or at the least set events in motion to trap her. Nevertheless, Mary showed herself over and again to be extremely unwise... and her desperation was many times her undoing throughout her life. There was a lack of strength in her that caused panic to cloud her judgement. I do believe she was her own worst enemy. As far as Elizabeth? I think she was tired of being afraid of what may have happened and she 'allowed herself' to be manipulated into signing the death warrant and it being conveniently delivered and executed was not so very unhappy to have it over.