In a setting where "evil megacorps" are so prominent, it could be super interesting to see stories from the perspective of a faction like this. Personally, I'd love to see an unlikely alliance between the UA and the UPP on the frontier, held together by their mutual distrust of the Third Empire and its close ties to the megacorps.
While the idea is intriguing, I have to warning you that its unlikely that UA and UPP will ever get along. We talking of "Space America" and "Space Soviet Union" after all. Historically speaking its more likely that soon or later these two factions will fight a war against each others. And the 3WE will probably side with the UA. Like UK and Japan sides with the United States in real life. The problem of the UPP is that it is a bit unrealistic. I mean the authors says it is composed by Russia and its block that cmprehend also Germany and Spain... What about France? Italy? Poland? Nobody knows. So technically speaking Europe is not just divided with NATO and Warsaw Pact, but the division of the continent is even more complex and that division must have some serious consequences on this universe. In the novel Im writing on a mixing universe between Alien and Halo, Earth federations that faces this new powerful alien threat decide that its not anymore possible to fight divided so conferences and treaties are done to unify Earth. Few are against this proposal, among them the first ones are the UA. But the proposal have a vast support so the 3WE, UPP, China and the Independent Colonies of Inner Core melt togheter under the banner of the UN. A war is about to start against the UA but in order to not waste assets and resources a deal is made. The UA are allowed to continue to exist outside Earth. Yes, it means that United Americas loses the Americas on Earth. New capital of UA that is soon flooded by colonists became Thedusand the core of UA territories become the Reticuli area. Alpha Caeli becames another great center of human industrial activities while the new UN reteats forces and colonists from the most far colonies to not easily lose them against the Covenant. While the UA loses their First Fleet, the best of their forces, due to an insurrection inside the fleet that joins the UN. Things becomes a bit grim for the UA but fortunately Weyland&Yutani that had always planned to find resources to face a probable alien threat, supplies the UA of everything they need. New ships, weapons, ammunitions, everything. So the Third Fleet under which operates the Outher Rim Defense Task Group become the main naval formation of the UA during the war. Conestoga-class light frigates become the main ship used by the UA Navy while they are also trying to found new colonies to strenghten their economic and military power. But a new class apoears just in time for the action showed in the novel. LV-426 is not yet colonized at that time nor the Nostromo ever find the transmission. Only a year later than the events in the novel WY and UA launch a joint venture to build Hadley's Hope. And the events happens around the same years of Aliens movie. Unfortunately part of the deal UN-UA comprehends also the cancellation of the coordinates of Earth to avoid that whatever ship can be captured by the Covenant, it will not risk to locate the homeworld of mankind. A sort of Cole Protocol that the UA accepts in exchange of support for the war. Of course also Sevastopol acquire new value in such scenario. The idea of having an urban center that is able to move in case of emergency is way more valuable than a static colony on a planet or moon. But construction of space stations will slow down the war effort so the main provider is WY that buy stations from other Earth-based corporations (that have seen their power reduced by UN so are in need of credits/money) and are passed to the UA that is more than willing to use them to allocate as much colonists as they can. Workforce of UA greatly reduced after the deal with UN so they need to save people. UA also responds to any distress call from any colonies in their range. It is an unofficial procedure for colonists in need under Covenant sieges that of asking for political asylum or even asking for citizenship and in exchange being rescued and being recruited in the UA workforce. In such dramatic scenario also, while UN is hiding in the shadows, the Weyland&Yutani is authorized by the UAAC HighCom to organize their private security as a military force and is often placed under the command of the UAAC. "Dog catchers" or WY commandos represents the first elite commando units of the UAAC. But recently the Colonial Marines have received order to form a specific group of special intervention and soecial operations. The new "Colonial Marines Recon Group" is growing fast and is equipped with the best technology the UAAC and WY can provide. They are roughly the UA version of the UNSC ODST. Unfortunately in my novel there are no Spartans so everything is reduced to a really cruel battle for survival. As we Alien fans likes. 😎👍
You should get Foundry VTT and then see if you can find some peeps on the alienRPG subreddit, or the discord. If you have chariot of the gods it only needs a GM + 3 or so people.
Honestly, the UPP probably should be leading in recycling, renewable, and sustainable technology; given their other disadvantages; only makes sense from their limited resource perspective. Given other examples of extremely isolated and unreasonably limited yet surprising innovative and resourceful countries; Cuba and North Korea come to mind for developing their own technology and even achieving enviable results; Cuba having developed a vaccine for some strands of cancer or their exporting of medical aid all over the world despite their other limitations. I wonder, is their highest honor "Hero of the Progressive Peoples"?
Honestly sounds kinda better than the other empires. Now it being formed originally by the heavily autocratic East Germany, Soviet Russia, and PRC is slightly problematic, but other than that seems really well designed
@Project: ACHERON .. Have you seen Ridley Scott's Raised by Wolves (2020) ? There's soooooooo much potential for it to be in the Prometheus / Alien universe! Look forward to your review(s)!
Blade Runner has been teased forever to be a part of the Alien universe; hell some of the extras on the Prometheus Blu-ray damn near confirm it; not even mentioning Easter eggs on the 1998 Blade Runner sidequel Soldier mentioning Alien film weaponry as training; but we ain't getting that confirmed; for obvious reasons. Isn't Raised by Wolves on HBO, so, much like Blade Runner it's owned by WB and not Disney; copyright laws for such things are bullshit; art should be public domain.
It remind me of a quote about ak's in a sci fi universe made by some redditer "our ancestors manufactured so much of these primitive guns that even tho we don't produce them anymore we can't ran out of stock"
been looking forward to more details about the Aliens universe! Why don't you just assume we don't know anything and start from the beginning about, what we need to know going into the Alien universe (and or label you already impressive list numerically by significance, assuming we don't know anything.) coving items, people, weapons, locations and topics of interest or importance!
Man, if they had only stuck to the William Gibson script the Alien universe could have greatly expanded rather than lodging everything to just an Anglo-American focus.
Which one of CO.AG's tracks did you use for this video? It's great and could really use it for some TTRPG briefings with my group, but there's loads on the page and haven't found a match yet.
y'all think Raised by Wolves is in the Alien universe? It's set in a similar time give or take 100 years. the androids are nearly identical besides the necromancers
@@ProjectACHERON I'm smashing it into the cannon idc. Ridley already pulled this shit once with Prometheus. we the people debated for like a year before we got a flat "yeah it's an alien prequel" answer. Drawing my own conclusions about the themes and visual similarity. For all we know those big ass worm monsters photosynthesize into Engineer babies
I can't really compare the UPP with the USSR just because they have severely distinct history all be it with the UPP having more diverse representation than the Politburo and especially with the CANC a bit more than Mao's and Ping's regimes. I can say that the UPP is more than USSR but in space.
@@ProjectACHERON I am writing an original sci fi that uses the term Middle Heavens... I didn't know it was used in Alien, I never played the RPG. If I want to publish my novel do I have to change this term or face lawsuit?
They Spain and Germany of alien are likely different from irl. I'm guessing Germany is the German Democratic Republic and Spain is the Spanish republic.
@@ColasTeam I think for Ridley they defaut are though. Prometheus Weyland confronting Engineer scene and Blade Runner Roy confronting Tyrell scene are philosophical mirrors of each other
In the Blade Runner Final Cut director commentary Ridley Scott states Blade Runner and Alien are in the same universe and there's little easter eggs like Tyrell Corp being mentioned in the original Alien film in a digital bio. Given that this was prior to the concept of "cinematic universes" as a commercial product and distribution models were different they were kept fairly distant from each other. Technically Blade Runner takes place about a century before the events in Alien which gives it enough room to be conveniently similar but not directly connected.
It's interesting how anti soviet attitudes from the anglosphere echo in media after the fall of the soviet union. Not a lot of people outside of the Russian speaking/eastern bloc world, but the Soviet Union had this thing called the "War on Nature" which saw MASSIVE infrastructure projects (which were often ecological disasters but engineering miracles) spring up and radically change the environment. Similar mega engineering projects occurred in China under and after Mao. It doesn't really make sense to me that these states (which seem to be based off of the 20th century communist states) struggle with technology when they didn't in our timeline, at least in the same way. Central planning is slow to respond to market changes, but it is extremely good, much better in my opinion, at dealing with huge problems (or making them much much worse, see the Great Leap Forward). Be it a bore hole in Siberia, draining of an inland sea, the repeated daming of massive inland rivers like the Yangtze and Volga, central planning seems to be more efficient and effective than market solutions. I think it makes a little more sense of incredible infrastructure projects being burdened by backwards central direction, atmosphere generators long since over produced Nitrogen, and central planning preventing production of other atmospheric terraforming gases
My impression is that the capitalist powers made a point of courting promising scientists and engineers to cause a brain drain in the UPP. There are ways to counter this, but it might have taken the UPP a while to put those measures into place, so they're still playing catch-up.
As much as I love this universe, its geopolitics are by far the laziest I've seen in a while. Because of course, Russia and China would reunite through the power of Socialism. The Russians would be all too happy to become a minority within their own country, yes. What about Vietnam and China? Those have been friends once, in millennia of shared history and for the duration of a war so that China wouldn't have an American-aligned country on its border. Mega-States never made sense to me, so perhaps I am biased but it's lazy.
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i would love to see either a book, comic, game or even maybe a movie from the view of the upp i think that would be pretty cool
YES that would be such an amazing idea.
In a setting where "evil megacorps" are so prominent, it could be super interesting to see stories from the perspective of a faction like this.
Personally, I'd love to see an unlikely alliance between the UA and the UPP on the frontier, held together by their mutual distrust of the Third Empire and its close ties to the megacorps.
America has allied with the Commies to defeat a shared enemy before! There's precedent for that!
While the idea is intriguing, I have to warning you that its unlikely that UA and UPP will ever get along.
We talking of "Space America" and "Space Soviet Union" after all.
Historically speaking its more likely that soon or later these two factions will fight a war against each others.
And the 3WE will probably side with the UA. Like UK and Japan sides with the United States in real life.
The problem of the UPP is that it is a bit unrealistic.
I mean the authors says it is composed by Russia and its block that cmprehend also Germany and Spain...
What about France? Italy? Poland? Nobody knows.
So technically speaking Europe is not just divided with NATO and Warsaw Pact, but the division of the continent is even more complex and that division must have some serious consequences on this universe.
In the novel Im writing on a mixing universe between Alien and Halo, Earth federations that faces this new powerful alien threat decide that its not anymore possible to fight divided so conferences and treaties are done to unify Earth.
Few are against this proposal, among them the first ones are the UA.
But the proposal have a vast support so the 3WE, UPP, China and the Independent Colonies of Inner Core melt togheter under the banner of the UN.
A war is about to start against the UA but in order to not waste assets and resources a deal is made.
The UA are allowed to continue to exist outside Earth. Yes, it means that United Americas loses the Americas on Earth.
New capital of UA that is soon flooded by colonists became Thedusand the core of UA territories become the Reticuli area.
Alpha Caeli becames another great center of human industrial activities while the new UN reteats forces and colonists from the most far colonies to not easily lose them against the Covenant.
While the UA loses their First Fleet, the best of their forces, due to an insurrection inside the fleet that joins the UN.
Things becomes a bit grim for the UA but fortunately Weyland&Yutani that had always planned to find resources to face a probable alien threat, supplies the UA of everything they need. New ships, weapons, ammunitions, everything.
So the Third Fleet under which operates the Outher Rim Defense Task Group become the main naval formation of the UA during the war.
Conestoga-class light frigates become the main ship used by the UA Navy while they are also trying to found new colonies to strenghten their economic and military power.
But a new class apoears just in time for the action showed in the novel.
LV-426 is not yet colonized at that time nor the Nostromo ever find the transmission.
Only a year later than the events in the novel WY and UA launch a joint venture to build Hadley's Hope.
And the events happens around the same years of Aliens movie.
Unfortunately part of the deal UN-UA comprehends also the cancellation of the coordinates of Earth to avoid that whatever ship can be captured by the Covenant, it will not risk to locate the homeworld of mankind.
A sort of Cole Protocol that the UA accepts in exchange of support for the war.
Of course also Sevastopol acquire new value in such scenario.
The idea of having an urban center that is able to move in case of emergency is way more valuable than a static colony on a planet or moon.
But construction of space stations will slow down the war effort so the main provider is WY that buy stations from other Earth-based corporations (that have seen their power reduced by UN so are in need of credits/money) and are passed to the UA that is more than willing to use them to allocate as much colonists as they can.
Workforce of UA greatly reduced after the deal with UN so they need to save people.
UA also responds to any distress call from any colonies in their range.
It is an unofficial procedure for colonists in need under Covenant sieges that of asking for political asylum or even asking for citizenship and in exchange being rescued and being recruited in the UA workforce.
In such dramatic scenario also, while UN is hiding in the shadows, the Weyland&Yutani is authorized by the UAAC HighCom to organize their private security as a military force and is often placed under the command of the UAAC.
"Dog catchers" or WY commandos represents the first elite commando units of the UAAC. But recently the Colonial Marines have received order to form a specific group of special intervention and soecial operations.
The new "Colonial Marines Recon Group" is growing fast and is equipped with the best technology the UAAC and WY can provide.
They are roughly the UA version of the UNSC ODST.
Unfortunately in my novel there are no Spartans so everything is reduced to a really cruel battle for survival.
As we Alien fans likes. 😎👍
@@danielefabbro822 what the name?
@@tyronedavis3534 name?
Name of the novel.
You down with UPP? Yeah you know me!
Whoohoo !! Thank you Comrade, Been waiting for this.
There is much more to come trust me!
@@ProjectACHERON Cools, could you look into the Tachyon drive ?
Awesome video! I hope they continue to expand the lore of the humans and things that happen without xenomorphs around
I hope so too it really adds so many layers to the universe!!
It's still my wish to participate in a Alien RPG game session. I have the RPG book bad sadly it's a bit hard to find people to play with.
i havent played yet either maybe we should organise something?
@@ProjectACHERON sounds like a good plan
You should get Foundry VTT and then see if you can find some peeps on the alienRPG subreddit, or the discord. If you have chariot of the gods it only needs a GM + 3 or so people.
Honestly, the UPP probably should be leading in recycling, renewable, and sustainable technology; given their other disadvantages; only makes sense from their limited resource perspective. Given other examples of extremely isolated and unreasonably limited yet surprising innovative and resourceful countries; Cuba and North Korea come to mind for developing their own technology and even achieving enviable results; Cuba having developed a vaccine for some strands of cancer or their exporting of medical aid all over the world despite their other limitations. I wonder, is their highest honor "Hero of the Progressive Peoples"?
Exacto solo que la UPP no es tan vacía como cuba o Corea de Norte.
No, they shouldn’t. That’s not how scientific and industrial innovation works.
@@zico739 lmao
NN4274 O'Bannon's world. Awesome! I'm sure Mr. Dan O'Bannon approves.
Out of this world entertainment! Excellent! 👨🏻🚀🌌
Thanks so much !! That means so much!
You're very welcome :)
The good guys
11:23 - fans have been conjuring 4 decades cuz there r so many questions about Sulaco yet 2 be answered.
I know there are some Kanye things yet to be explored in the alien franchise
@@ProjectACHERON oh yeah n' given d rather grim situation it's a pretty daunting task but u know that's what Yr gr8 channel lives 4.
A democratic, socialist, technocratic republic with capitalism that can't lobby or fund political interest groups would be an interesting experiment.
i cant argue with that
A technocratic government is simply another name for dictatorship
Honestly sounds kinda better than the other empires. Now it being formed originally by the heavily autocratic East Germany, Soviet Russia, and PRC is slightly problematic, but other than that seems really well designed
thank ya. comrade) yes yes) spasibo)))
@Project: ACHERON .. Have you seen Ridley Scott's Raised by Wolves (2020) ? There's soooooooo much potential for it to be in the Prometheus / Alien universe! Look forward to your review(s)!
I haven't watched yet but it won't be long until I do !
Blade Runner has been teased forever to be a part of the Alien universe; hell some of the extras on the Prometheus Blu-ray damn near confirm it; not even mentioning Easter eggs on the 1998 Blade Runner sidequel Soldier mentioning Alien film weaponry as training; but we ain't getting that confirmed; for obvious reasons. Isn't Raised by Wolves on HBO, so, much like Blade Runner it's owned by WB and not Disney; copyright laws for such things are bullshit; art should be public domain.
-My- Space
*Our Space*
Amazing!
Jesus Christ AK’s are still being manufactured in the future 😂
hahah long live the AKS
Grande kalashnikov
It remind me of a quote about ak's in a sci fi universe made by some redditer "our ancestors manufactured so much of these primitive guns that even tho we don't produce them anymore we can't ran out of stock"
been looking forward to more details about the Aliens universe! Why don't you just assume we don't know anything and start from the beginning about, what we need to know going into the Alien universe (and or label you already impressive list numerically by significance, assuming we don't know anything.) coving items, people, weapons, locations and topics of interest or importance!
USSR. But in the far future!)))
Yeah pretty much!
Man, if they had only stuck to the William Gibson script the Alien universe could have greatly expanded rather than lodging everything to just an Anglo-American focus.
I agree with you m8, so sad...
Wow its so cool!
Yeah i love the extended alien universe
Which one of CO.AG's tracks did you use for this video? It's great and could really use it for some TTRPG briefings with my group, but there's loads on the page and haven't found a match yet.
Haven’t used a tonne of CO.AG stuff for a while been using track from artilist
Anyone know where one might get their hands on the map Acheron is using?
Its apart of ALIEN: The RPG created by free league. Go to their sites and you can see where to purchase it!!
@@ProjectACHERON Thanks! Time to feed the map addiction
Haha no worries
Soviet based colonial military
Would an imperial power be exist in Alien universe though? Like German or Japanese empire but spacefaring type.
hmm that pretty much the 3WE. Japan is apart of the 3WE and Germany is apart of he UPP.
Where I can find this big space map?)))
Its apart of the game ALIEN the RPG.
y'all think Raised by Wolves is in the Alien universe? It's set in a similar time give or take 100 years. the androids are nearly identical besides the necromancers
i would it to be but sadly its not, there are alot of things though that help to make it seem like its a connected universe!
@@ProjectACHERON I'm smashing it into the cannon idc. Ridley already pulled this shit once with Prometheus. we the people debated for like a year before we got a flat "yeah it's an alien prequel" answer. Drawing my own conclusions about the themes and visual similarity. For all we know those big ass worm monsters photosynthesize into Engineer babies
I can't really compare the UPP with the USSR just because they have severely distinct history all be it with the UPP having more diverse representation than the Politburo and especially with the CANC a bit more than Mao's and Ping's regimes. I can say that the UPP is more than USSR but in space.
Hey when dose alien inflator release
April 24 2021
So who owns Earth?
Nobody, it's divided among the three superpowers.
Interstellar! :D
Thank you!
Is the term "Middle Heavens" trademarked? Anyone know? It's never used in the films? Where it's from?
ALIEN: The RPG has made the term common use from references to the title in concept and background information in alien
@@ProjectACHERON I am writing an original sci fi that uses the term Middle Heavens... I didn't know it was used in Alien, I never played the RPG. If I want to publish my novel do I have to change this term or face lawsuit?
Ngl, the UPP sound like the good guys in the Alien Universe.
Only good red is a dead red
I thought the same thing. Being comparatively less bad than everyone else makes you the good guy by default.
That's because you can't read between the lines.
They need to make a libertarian faction
good is a point of view
Spain & Germany?!
Yeah, strange..
Yeah i know i though it was rather strange too
They Spain and Germany of alien are likely different from irl. I'm guessing Germany is the German Democratic Republic and Spain is the Spanish republic.
@@beepbeeptaco92 Still weird, considering the Republican Spanish lost the civil war and Franco ruled for decades
Are you down with OPP
I am neither for or aganist them. they leave me alone and ill repay the same curtisy
I can’t handle the needless melodrama of one P, much less OP. 👸👸👸
Is it still canon that this is the same universe as Blade Runner? How does Blade Runner world fit into this?
No blade runner in not in the alien universe, its its own thing
@@ProjectACHERON I thought Ridley and a few other authors said otherwise? Where is it stated officially that it isnt?
@@DerHammerSpricht You'd have to show quotes proving they are, as the default idea is that they aren't.
@@ColasTeam I think for Ridley they defaut are though. Prometheus Weyland confronting Engineer scene and Blade Runner Roy confronting Tyrell scene are philosophical mirrors of each other
In the Blade Runner Final Cut director commentary Ridley Scott states Blade Runner and Alien are in the same universe and there's little easter eggs like Tyrell Corp being mentioned in the original Alien film in a digital bio. Given that this was prior to the concept of "cinematic universes" as a commercial product and distribution models were different they were kept fairly distant from each other. Technically Blade Runner takes place about a century before the events in Alien which gives it enough room to be conveniently similar but not directly connected.
Love to see where capitalist were in some story , and yet there is his beloved rival , a socialist , communist
ants🤣🤣
To the xenomorph sourge lately!
*New-Kyiv
Millenials : * heavy breathing *
haha
Space communist and space capitalist the middle heaven is screwed lol
Haha basically yes!
Germany & Spain ? Odd choice.
Did the USSR not collapse in the Alien timeline? The Russian federation is a lot of things, but it's definitely not socialist.
What about their Coronavirus?
What about the Kung flu?
it isnt fair
What about their Droid Attack on the Wookies?
It's interesting how anti soviet attitudes from the anglosphere echo in media after the fall of the soviet union.
Not a lot of people outside of the Russian speaking/eastern bloc world, but the Soviet Union had this thing called the "War on Nature" which saw MASSIVE infrastructure projects (which were often ecological disasters but engineering miracles) spring up and radically change the environment. Similar mega engineering projects occurred in China under and after Mao.
It doesn't really make sense to me that these states (which seem to be based off of the 20th century communist states) struggle with technology when they didn't in our timeline, at least in the same way. Central planning is slow to respond to market changes, but it is extremely good, much better in my opinion, at dealing with huge problems (or making them much much worse, see the Great Leap Forward). Be it a bore hole in Siberia, draining of an inland sea, the repeated daming of massive inland rivers like the Yangtze and Volga, central planning seems to be more efficient and effective than market solutions. I think it makes a little more sense of incredible infrastructure projects being burdened by backwards central direction, atmosphere generators long since over produced Nitrogen, and central planning preventing production of other atmospheric terraforming gases
My impression is that the capitalist powers made a point of courting promising scientists and engineers to cause a brain drain in the UPP. There are ways to counter this, but it might have taken the UPP a while to put those measures into place, so they're still playing catch-up.
Space communists
basically
As much as I love this universe, its geopolitics are by far the laziest I've seen in a while. Because of course, Russia and China would reunite through the power of Socialism. The Russians would be all too happy to become a minority within their own country, yes. What about Vietnam and China? Those have been friends once, in millennia of shared history and for the duration of a war so that China wouldn't have an American-aligned country on its border.
Mega-States never made sense to me, so perhaps I am biased but it's lazy.
He kind of skipped over the former 4th super power, the Chinese/Asian Co-operative Nations (CANC).