As someone from a third world country, im extremely envious of the western tradition. We have great orations as well, but none of them exalts the liberty of citizens, or tolerance to foreigners, or how justice being equal among all people. Truly great is the glory of Athens.
In this translation, 'Make up your minds, that happiness depends on being free, and freedom depends on being courageous.' one of the master quotes of antiquity.
sparta ditched 400 soldiers on the island of spacteria where they managed to hide for more then 2 months to eventually rat themselves out of the shrubbery by a out of control flame.. revealing their position and being killed by the athenians. Oddly not all spartans died in this battle. the spartans who so called are the most fierce soldiers of the time and will fight to the death. Nope. 146 spartans(sparta only has 10k spartan citizens at a time) were captured and used as hostages by Athens. Hence Pericles's great confidence, for he has diminished sparta of the reputation so wonderfully built. at this moment in time it was 1-0 athens- sparta. all sparta did at this point in time was burn crops outside the walls. then apollo came in and decided to give athens a disease, that would end up being wonderful in a very important conflict of the time.. but the plague was only the universe nerfing pericles. **cough cough**🤢
I will say, The translation isn't perfect. When he says "god" that likely would not have been said given that he was a hellenic polytheist. if he said "god" it likely would have been either "Zeus" or "gods" plural.
It is possible that Aspasia, a cultured and beautiful woman, helped Pericles with this speech. At least that is what Plato said, but that is an unfriendly source; and it just might be his way of ridiculing Pericles the democrat. Like Socrates, his mentor, Plato was an elitist. Plato's jibe may indicate that the speech was irritatingly superlative.
Socrates (through Plato - in one of his Socratic dialogues) *ironically* mentions that Aspasia was Pericles' trainer. Also, *it is wrong* to claim (and most people do exactly this simply because they read it somewhere, *anywhere)* that Plato wasnt a "democrat" simply because he saw one of Democracy's greatest flaws, we still strive to deal with...
@@papertoyss Plato explicitly was not a democrat as evident in his Republic. He saw democracy as rule by the mob, placing it as the lowest of his four levels of government, just above anarchy.
Plato puts maybe the most profound and beautiful speech in the dialogues into the mouth of a woman, Diatoma. As Socrates relates. The intellectual nature of love, one of the great moments in world literature. But I am tired of picking up and putting down Plato darkened and enlightened. Plato of Athens is the greatest writer who ever lived, 'all man's sufference,' as Johnson said of his rival Shakespeare
Funny how he said Athens was better than sparta. In reality for most of the war Athens was under siege. Athens had a great navy and sparta had a great land amry
Pericles gave this speech only one year into the Peloponnesian War, after the city had only been under intermittent siege by the Spartans. Athens was under siege a lot, especially in the later war, but the fact they were able to survive speaks to Athenian foresight is securing access to their port with the long walls, otherwise they'd have been forced to capitulated to Sparta 25 years earlier than they did. It ultimately took the every major land power in Greece + the backing of Persia to defeat Athens, which is nothing to sneeze at.
They at least held these values as expressed byPericles as sacred whereas the same cannot be said of the present day politics and ideologue in America.
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Pericles's funeral oration, 431 BC
Socrates's execution trial, 399 BC
Alexander's Opis mutiny, 323 BC
Greek speeches go *HARD.*
I know it's been six years, but thank you so much for this! It was very clear, well presented, and easy to understand.
Glad to hear that Charles!
6 years? I thought it was 2455 years
first narration that I was able to listen to with ease and understanding. Thank you for this. Genuinely excellent
Thanks for the translation. This was excellent
Glad you enjoyed it!
As someone from a third world country, im extremely envious of the western tradition. We have great orations as well, but none of them exalts the liberty of citizens, or tolerance to foreigners, or how justice being equal among all people. Truly great is the glory of Athens.
And they also produced Plato. Classical Athens was indeed special.
Beautiful
In this translation, 'Make up your minds, that happiness depends on being free, and freedom depends on being courageous.' one of the master quotes of antiquity.
Thanks for the translation, reading the original speech was kind of hard to understand.
Great that it helped!
Thank you!
sparta ditched 400 soldiers on the island of spacteria where they managed to hide for more then 2 months to eventually rat themselves out of the shrubbery by a out of control flame.. revealing their position and being killed by the athenians. Oddly not all spartans died in this battle. the spartans who so called are the most fierce soldiers of the time and will fight to the death. Nope. 146 spartans(sparta only has 10k spartan citizens at a time) were captured and used as hostages by Athens. Hence Pericles's great confidence, for he has diminished sparta of the reputation so wonderfully built. at this moment in time it was 1-0 athens- sparta. all sparta did at this point in time was burn crops outside the walls. then apollo came in and decided to give athens a disease, that would end up being wonderful in a very important conflict of the time.. but the plague was only the universe nerfing pericles. **cough cough**🤢
Thanks for this! you sir are awesome!
"We are free and tolerant in our private lives, but in public affairs we keep to the laws"
Not enough people follow this
i cant speak for this long... thats pretty hard
I will say, The translation isn't perfect. When he says "god" that likely would not have been said given that he was a hellenic polytheist. if he said "god" it likely would have been either "Zeus" or "gods" plural.
A good point Matthew, thanks for sharing
idk if pericles was australian tho
Parts of this speech did not age well.
Indeed, though it’s been 2500 years, so if some of it has aged well, he’s done alright!
It is possible that Aspasia, a cultured and beautiful woman, helped Pericles with this speech. At least that is what Plato said, but that is an unfriendly source; and it just might be his way of ridiculing Pericles the democrat. Like Socrates, his mentor, Plato was an elitist. Plato's jibe may indicate that the speech was irritatingly superlative.
Yes I agree, both could be true actually! She could have helped write it and Plato could have used that to denigrate him
Socrates (through Plato - in one of his Socratic dialogues) *ironically* mentions that Aspasia was Pericles' trainer. Also, *it is wrong* to claim (and most people do exactly this simply because they read it somewhere, *anywhere)* that Plato wasnt a "democrat" simply because he saw one of Democracy's greatest flaws, we still strive to deal with...
@@papertoyss Plato explicitly was not a democrat as evident in his Republic. He saw democracy as rule by the mob, placing it as the lowest of his four levels of government, just above anarchy.
Plato puts maybe the most profound and beautiful speech in the dialogues into the mouth of a woman, Diatoma. As Socrates relates. The intellectual nature of love, one of the great moments in world literature. But I am tired of picking up and putting down Plato darkened and enlightened. Plato of Athens is the greatest writer who ever lived, 'all man's sufference,' as Johnson said of his rival Shakespeare
@@ishmaelforester9825 You are entitled to your opinion even if it flies in the face of reason.
Funny how he said Athens was better than sparta. In reality for most of the war Athens was under siege. Athens had a great navy and sparta had a great land amry
Pericles gave this speech only one year into the Peloponnesian War, after the city had only been under intermittent siege by the Spartans. Athens was under siege a lot, especially in the later war, but the fact they were able to survive speaks to Athenian foresight is securing access to their port with the long walls, otherwise they'd have been forced to capitulated to Sparta 25 years earlier than they did. It ultimately took the every major land power in Greece + the backing of Persia to defeat Athens, which is nothing to sneeze at.
This speech is very much relevant for democracies today! The advise to women feels like the part that lacked wisdom.
Rex Warner, not Wagner. Thanks for the audio.
Thanks for the pick up David! Fixed it
Is dis his speech?
Yes
Sounds like a society America can only dream about being at this point.
I think you’ll find that Ancient Athenian society didn’t regularly live up to this idea either!
They at least held these values as expressed byPericles as sacred whereas the same cannot be said of the present day politics and ideologue in America.
This doesn’t match my reading…
Are you using a different translation than Rex Warner?
Inspired the Gettysburg Address and Zelensky could make a similar speech. Well done, sorry they lost though 😜😥😢😢😢☹️⭐💩
Nice monotone voice to dull this speech
Thanks Chase, much needed commentary!