Bonham double bass: Pat’s Delight 1969-01-26
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- Desi Coltrane posted the Boston 1969-01-26 bootleg in the “John Henry Bonham..” Facebook group two weeks ago: saying Bonham played two bass drums! This is the most convincing snippet to me!
Listen to the full Pat’s Delight solo 1969-01-26: there’s much more double bassing going on!
Bootleg from the great Led Zeppelin Boots channel
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Jimmy Page asked him to drop the second bass drum as there was too much drumming going on for him to concentrate. 2X26" though, lord what a racket!
Love the drumming and you really can hear why he is the world's best drummer. Nothing can beat this.
So it's REAL?? Oh my god that's fantastic, I've been wanting to hear a recording of John using the two kicks ever since I saw that one photo of him behind the massive drums, this amazing lmao thanks for sharing!!!
Haha sure! It’s funny, the bootleg has been there all the time but the double bassing hasn’t been commonly known
THIS VINTAGE PHOTO IS A FIRST FOR ME
I NEVER SEEN JHB BEHIND A DOUBLE BASS KIT I GUESS MANY OF JHB FANS ASWELL 🤔
Had he kept the two bass drums, I feel drumming today would have been entirely different honestly. But Led Zeppelin would have been different too, and maybe not for the best. Idk. Its hard to say. John Bonham was easily one of the best rock drummers of all time. His footwork alone is enough to start a clinic around.
The tornado, John Henry Bonham, what a magical drummer.
Greatest drummer who ever lived...or ever will!
Ridiculous. Vinnie, Lang, Peart, Copeland, Cobham……
Julia you are the best of all.
I think not! Lol. Not even close. Anyone saying that has never played drums.
@@ericjencson9489 just let them believe that.
Brilliant. Bonham incorporates here techniques introduced by the great Louie Bellson in playing double bassdrum.
Sounds like Normandy - D Day - no wonder the Zepps hid the extra bass drum from him!
Right! 😆
Yes though he certainly didn’t need two.
This was amazing, you’re such A great dude for sharing all this awesome Bonham stuff, I really enjoyed it
Oh thank you Bryan!
@@bonhamalsowaltzes1601 np pal
You found history !!
History for sure! But see the description, this bootleg was posted in a Facebook fan group, pointing out the double bass. I just picked out a snippet where you can clearly hear it is two bass drums
I think it was Carmine Appice's Drum Set when Led Zeppelin opened for Vanilla Fudge! Page later said "You don't need a second bass drum, you do enough with one"? But he then bought the same Ludwig with 1 BD!
So good Bonham
Great stuff!
Ohhh muh gawd!
Would love to hear the rest of this concert on a good quality recording…..everything out there so far is 90% Jimmy’s guitar
Yes the guitar is so loud. I’m afraid there’s no other recording of the show
Maybe run it through Moises and take the guitar down a notch or two
@@TheBonhamesque that would be worth trying!
Based on his vocabulary, I’m guessing he’s leading with the left foot. Stomping eighths where he’d normally be chinging.
Yes I think so too
Thanks for sharing. Idk if I’ve seen/heard this. Idk why I haven’t? I know of the track title pat’s delight, but haven’t heard this enough. Someone out there has this whole thang on video. Dang it!!!! 😂
Sure, thanks for tuning in Keith! Haha I hope there’s a video out there!
literally bonham engine
Bonham engine 2.0 🙂
You deserve an award for FINALLY pinpointing discernible double bass drumming from the feet of Bonzo before other Bonham experts could. During Zep's third 1969 US tour there was a ten day period (July 30---Aug 9) of eight concerts. Photos from four of those nights show Bonham playing two kicks: Salt Lake City (7-30) Albuquerque (8-2) & Anaheim (8-9) and a fourth picture without a date or location. It bothered me that I saw Led Zeppelin on 8-4-69 and don't remember if Bonham played double bass drums that night or not.
Thank you for the nice comment! And I’m sorry for the late response.
That’s a good review of the photo evidence! 👍 Oh cool! but too bad you don’t remember. Please let me know if you find out somehow.
Btw, I’m playing double bass setup at the moment, 26” + 24”, it’s really fun for all the “Bonham engine” stuff 🙂
@@bonhamalsowaltzes1601
Thanks, man. Is it difficult to get the hi-hat close enough for comfort?
@@DAGDRUM53 I have it pretty good: by folding the legs on the hi hat stand and support it with a clamp. You can see the setup in THE BONHAM FILES, Facebook group
@@bonhamalsowaltzes1601 There's no solution better than the intelligent solution.
@@DAGDRUM53 for sure!
Thanks for the great doku👍
I got some good feedback from you before I posted this on YT 👍
Love the single, massive, center tom tom
It’s awesome!
Billy ward road kit
So effing cool!!!!
Yeah !
Absolutely. I realized this many years ago. Bonzo had his brand new Ludwig maple kit delivered to him during this run of shows in Boston so it makes perfect sense he would have wanted to play with both bass drums that were ordered.
Yes it makes much sense! This is not my discovery, I made this post because this good sounding double bass recording is badly known
He wanted the kit of Carmine Appice
@@Nissardpertugiuyes 👍
I heard Jimmy and Robert hid the one bass drum so he could only use one! 😆
This just hurts
That’s gotta be double bass drums, which would corroborate what Jon Hyde and someone else who was at the show have said.
I have listened to the solo as well as the others from this run, but I missed that! I guess because of the Fidelity. This is cleaner. Amazing man, thanks !!
Thank you! This was new to me. I think this snippet spotlights the alternating bass drums (but there’s of course much more all over the solo!)
Something doesn’t add up about this recording. Listening to the entire show
Boston Tea Party on January 26, 1969, Pats Delight is different. Bonham does the Max Roach “Drum Also Waltzes” intro to his solo!??
So, is this from a different night, OR is the recording I heard mislabeled??
Would love the entire concert of this double bass night.
This snippet is Pat’s Delight 69-01-26 after the hands only part, the end of the solo
Thats the speed of his single drum bass. You can hear that speed in any concert live
You can hear it’s alternating bass drum strokes
Here’s the best sounding 69-01-26 bootleg
m.th-cam.com/video/R2VGfloCBHM/w-d-xo.html&pp=ygUebGVkIHplcHBlbGluIGxpdmUgYm9zdG9uIDE5Njkg
Not a drummer on the planet was playing like this in 1969
well, you know, other than Ginger Baker....
Louie Belson
@@Dyingsociety38 Absolutely, but different genre and technique.
@@scottsmith4238 I’ll give you the the way he attacked the drums but IMO even Ginger couldn’t touch Bonzo when it came to power, speed, and dynamics. It’s a close call but I’m partial.
Baker mastered double bass by 66 and was super innovative still in Blind Faith and their huge 69 summer tour. But anything Bonham is amazing regardless
Happy Thanksgiving!
happy Thanksgiving John!
OMFG!!!
Holy shit!
Pretty brutal huh
@@bonhamalsowaltzes1601 It is! Would've been quite interesting to see how this would've developed over the years if he stayed with the two bass drums, not sure it would've been as interesting as his single bass drum work, however there's clearly lots of potential out of two bass drums purely based off of all the other drummers of the time who used them, really great find!
@@AlexSlavenDrums Bonham would probably mastered it and made something unique with it. But I see no need for it in the Zeppelin we know.
@@bonhamalsowaltzes1601 Exactly! I think it's pretty clear he'd have made something pretty special of it from his work mixing the hats and bass drum together in his solos and stuff, the basic idea of that surely translates across to double bass. What's interesting to think about is if Zeppelin's sound would've changed at all for it, like how the songs were
@@AlexSlavenDrums hi, sorry I missed this! Yes that is interesting to think about, the 1969-01-26 bootleg could give some clues about the songs, but the guitar is extremely loud!!
This is cool and all but he really only needed one bass drum ! That's one of the things that made him so great.
I agree with you!
GOAT!!!!!!
In the top 100.
my fave drummer, but I can see why he went back to single bass. The quads start to get jumbled whereas his triplets always sound perfect.
Its the band that didn't want it.
Once he had occasion he played 2 bass drums, especially on Bill Ward kit
Some of the great single-foot players could kill it on double bass drum. Buddy Rich of course did his infamous gig where, in response to all the hoopla over Louis Bellson, he demonstrated dazzling mastery. Then there is Ian Paice, who had compete control over the double kicks on the song Fireball. Clean, precise, fast, musical. Mitch Mitchell, in the latter days of the Experience, played double kick very effectively.
Bonham? Great as he was, he was not as good a technician as those players. And it shows here. Of course he would be the first to tell you that. A famous quote from him says something along the lines of: the audience at a large concert would have no way of knowing whether he’d just played a double flamadiddle or not, so his focus was on style. On ensuring the band sounded good, and you’d know it was him and no one else behind the drum kit.
”I don't reckon on this Jack-of-all-trades thing. I thing that felling is a lot more important than technique. It's all very well doing a triple paradiddle - but who's going to know you've done it? If you play technically you sound like everybody else. It's being original that counts."
It’s a common belief Bonzo wasn’t a technical player but it’s not true
@@bonhamalsowaltzes1601 I did not say he “wasn’t a technical player”. I said he was not as good a technician as the players I cited. His most notable ‘tech’ thing was his doublets and triplets on the bass drum. Rock drummers everywhere sought to emulate that.
@Gk2003m Yeah the bass doubles are very popular. But Bonham also played rudiments in the same league as Mitchell & Paice.
The bootleg was recorded on another date, probably another venue as well, not in Boston in january of 1969, Zeppelin played Boston 4 nights in a row, end of january 69....all pictures of these 4 Boston january 69 concerts, show Bonham with only one bass drum...
The pictures could be from the first night only. The ones I’ve seen are not dated other than Boston January 1969.
There’s also eye witnesses
m.th-cam.com/video/6YcF41Eyknw/w-d-xo.html
@@bonhamalsowaltzes1601 Released and widely known pictures of Bonham with 2 bass drums is Albuquerque August 69, again opening up for Vanilla Fudge....the video of Fludas and Keating indeed mention eye witnesses, Fludas mentions people seeing double kicks in Boston while Keating is perplex about this...like many, i highly doubt that out of 4 nights in a row at the Boston Tea Party in jan 1969, Bonham went single bass drum on one night and double bass on the other....no pictures of Bonham with 2 bass drum show traces of Boston's light colored side or back walls...
@@HushAngel Boston Tea Party, January 1969, is not well documented with photos. The pictures are few and not connected to specific dates, so they are pretty irrelevant when claiming the bootlegs are mislabeled!
@@bonhamalsowaltzes1601 One thing for sure, the static video picture of Bonham with 2 bass drums is not from Boston january 1969..Jonesy's amp rig was Rickenbackers, stage was shallow and white walled...
@@HushAngel Yes that’s for sure! 🙂
Prvý krát vidím foto Johna s dvomi kopakmi! Zázrak 🙂
There’s more photos of Bonham with double bass but this might be only recording worth listening to
I wonder why he got rid of the second bass drum.
I’ve heard that Plant and Page told him it was “too much” or perhaps too loud.
Apparently Plant and Page suggested to avoid sounding and looking like Carmine at one point, sometime at the end of that Vanilla Fudge-Led Zep tour, both bands shared the double Ludwig Thermogloss kit
Not bad
I think he was better with single BD.
Like a Ginger Baker
Right!
So much better than Ginger it’s not even funny.
Ginger Baker he's not...
Your wrong!!!! Carmine Appice was .
Am I wrong? Or are you challenging some statement here in the comments?
Hahaha. The gauntlet has been thrown. I dare you to dispute Carmen Appice was…
Carmine Appice was what?
After touring and the relentless circle of it All!!! John passed not wanting to be in led Zeppelin not wanting to be in the music industry and said the the world thought Karen Carpenter was a better drummer . When he was picked up at the airport shortly before he death he was complaining about all of it!!! Sad my friends. Do your research.
Carmine is still here today. And has influenced Rock drummers and some jazz players alike. He did John Bonham as well.
I think this is two bass drums. Not to be that negative guy on the internet, but as an argument _for_ this being double-bass, he doesn't sound entirely comfortable and the tuning between the two drums is awkward. That to me would indicate someone, like Bonham, who is clearly more comfortable on one bass drum, but busting it out one night on two.
Yeah Bonham probably didn’t have much experience with playing 2 bass drums here
@@bonhamalsowaltzes1601*Very* glad to hear it though, but it's clearly not his area of comfort.
@@johnknight9150 I think Bonzo liked to find ways to challenge himself. Like there’s drum solos performed without the hi hat, Seattle 1973 and Landover 1977
@@bonhamalsowaltzes1601That's cool. Got a good link?
Landover 77
m.th-cam.com/video/TkRmGqepxTg/w-d-xo.html&pp=ygUVT3ZlciB0aGUgdG9wIGxhbmRvdmVy
Clearly he had not mastered double bass and it’s probably for the best he abandoned the idea. To be clear, he’s my favorite rock drummer but this makes him sound just as boring and unmusical as most double bass drummers.
Ginger Baker was one of worst human beings on the planet,good drummer but nowhere near the talent of Bohnam,he truly was a once in a generational player!
The only “rock drummer” that Buddy Rich gave a comment about him being a good drummer!
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