If you watched Buffy when it was new then you're probably a millennial yourself if you use the standard of being born between 1982 and 2004. millennials are not the problem, the problem is that TV is filled with old people that are out of touch with the audience and just after a quick buck. I'm 33, I'd rather see Buffy in HD and widescreen and with better special effects if they would just do it right, because I'm a nerd, not a frikkin hipster.
You mean wide screen, not HD. You're not wrong about it being anachronistic, although there was no technical reason for 4:3rds, but "fixing it" is also REMOVING information. Something not shot in widescreen should be cut very carefully for it, or left alone.
So you don't like reboots but you're defending the Buffy the Vampire Slayer 1997 tv series? You do see the irony of what you're saying don't you? This tv series we're talking about is in fact a reboot of the original 1992 film, so if it wasn't for reboots, we would never have had this series in the first place. Being a hipster means you're ahead of your time and know series before they become popular. Saying you don't like reboots, is a very hipster thing to say, because hipsters always think the original was better. However, the fact you didn't know the series with Sarah Michelle Gellar is a reboot, proves you're not a hipster. Most hipsters and 90% of the millenials would've seen the Buffy the Vampire Slayer tv series (and probably the original film as well) when it first aired. Hipsters who didn't, don't want to see a reboot now, because it's no longer new. This Buffy HD remake is nothing a hipster or millenial would want to see. It has nothing to do with them. Btw, why do you bring up Starbucks? Hipsters want quality coffee, that's superior to regular coffee. Starbucks is the exact opposite of that. Starbucks is a multinational, that sells overpriced crap for the masses. A hipster wouldn't be caught dead in Starbucks. I feel your hatred towards hipsters and millenials is misdirected. In fact, your resentment towards reboots and Starbucks makes you sound like a wanabe hipster yourself. Except you don't have a clue.
btw, way this was a reply to Denise Herud's comment. I forgot TH-cam no longer adds the name when you click the reply button underneath someone's comment. Sorry about that.
Breaks my heart seeing this fantastic show butchered by those Pivot assholes. No wonder the Buffy creative crew are up in arms about it. If the show is going to get released on blu-ray in the future I hope to God they get the Buffy team in to supervise it.
+Tim Menke Sadly, those who demand things that were *originally* done in 4:3 to be redone in 16:9 tend to prove how stupid they are. Such a demand involves fucking up the original finished product!
When everything is being remastered and bumped up to 16:9 for modern televisions, Fox executives aren't going to give a damn about the creator's intent, they're going to sell a product whether it's inferior or not.
Joss' obituary will mention something about not enough respect and we should have listened to him more. We put him on our big movies now, praise him, but then when he's like "yeah don't do that to my show please" seems some jerk just snides "hack". Respect the Joss Whedon... learn from him.
It's like a reverse pan and scan. Back in the day when TV's where 4:3 we had the horrific habit of converting widescreen movies into a fullscreen, losing considerable picture information on the side. Now they do the same with 4:3 shows losing information on the top and bottom. Stay the heck away from the original format.
Quotenwagnerianer The pan n scan of Ghostbusters from widescreen is astounding. Whenever they crop the wide shot with all four Ghostbusters, it's always Winston Zedmore (Eddie Hudson) that gets cropped out. You just have to wonder, was that racist on purpose, or racist by accident?
If they're the UK versions, seasons 4-7 are all in widescreen, goof city. If you have the U.S. Versions, there's no 'Previously on Buffy the Vampire Slayer' from Season 4-7. Fox has dogged us from the start.
+Laywa Wood The DVD's look like shit though. We need a proper remastering. The DVD's look like an old beat up VHS of a c-grade horror movie from the 80s.
+Laywa Wood Bought* Sorry, really, it's great that you're a Buffy fan. Amazing show and I will gladly high five anyone who appreciates it. But "brought" instead of "bought" is like my ultimate pet peeve...
Buffy the Vampire Slayer is my all-time favourite tv show. The overall poor attempts at remastering feels like they're hurting my best friend. :( Thanks much for sharing.
The Wire is a great example of a show that was made in 4:3 and later converted to 1080p 16:9 properly. They worked very closely with the original team to make sure that everything went over properly. I wish more studios actually cared about the properties that they put out into the world.
I personally would prefer having the entire seasons in their original aspect ratio. I don't have a problem with black side bars. Your vision just naturally centres to the frame anyway, so it's not a distraction. Plus, I would rather they didn't mess around with the original SFX by replacing them with new ones. If it's not broke, don't fix it. Thanks for bringing this to my attention, I had no idea that they had started airing them in HD. Thankfully they got it wrong on transmission rather than charging a ridiculous price for a Blu-Ray release. Surely the people that were converting it to HD noticed the flaws just like yourself, and others that have viewed it. This is just plain laziness.
Dragon ball z kinda has that same issue with the "orange brick" set or how Disney+ with the Simpsons how some visual jokes get cut off just slightly like the joke in the duff brewery, but that's more of turning a 4x3 into wide screen is to just zoom in and stretch the side a little bit.
@@mikekazz5353 Exactly, what they are doing is cropping off the top and bottom of the image in order to change a square 4:3 image into a 16:9 rectangle image, and then taking that reduced frame and zooming it in to fill the screen. This is absolutely NOT widescreen! It's 'fake widescreen' you are just watching the episodes on zoom, which also reduces the quality of the image. So in this instance it isn't even about 'converting to widescreen' since not only are you not gaining more than before you are getting less than what you originally saw. When they do this it's only about 'filling the entire screen' on a 16:9 display, that's the only goal and it is ridiculously stupid!
I've never even watched Buffy and I'm absolutely floored by how utterly bastardized this is. I can't even believe this was released. I've seen anime localizations from the 90s done with more care and understanding of the source material than this.
@@beachgirl4583 definitely eBay. They're all on there and for decent prices, too. Avoid the 1 through 7 box sets though because I'm pretty sure those are the "remastered" DVD's.
Good to know. I wish i knew that sooner so I could;ve seen X-Files in 4x6. Although "The Truth Is Out There" was always left out on netflix for some reason until they went HD with X-Files
Don't worry guys! There isn't really a problem with the filters. We can just say Angel is suddenly immune to the sun because he prematurely discovered the Gem of Amara. Totes makes sense. :P Seriously though, this is ridiculous. As a die-hard Buffy-fan I remain loyal to the original (not messed up) version.
Is that what happens in angel? I tried to watch it properly but I was so bored after the first three episodes that me and my buffy binge buddy just skipped straight to the first episode Spike appears in (wich at least for us was a good decision, as it was instantly more entertaining). But theres SO many instances of Angel standing in bright sunlight in his office that I was like: 'Did he stop...being a vampire or something...?'
He got the Gem of Amara in the middle of season 1, but destroyed it shortly after (I'm not sure if that was the same episode or the next one) because he was afraid that he become too human and forget that his duty is to fight demons in the night.
He got the gem in the third ep of season 1. In season 5 he (and the gang) take over Wolfram and Hart (which is essentially the overarching big bad for the entire series) and that building has windows that allow vampires to stand in sunlight without getting burned. The very first episode (of the series) pretty much makes that clear when Angel pushes a vamp through one of the windows. Also, if you haven't watched the first 4 seasons I'd recommend you check it out. It's pretty good, action packed and develops a lot of Angel backstory. I mean I like it anyway. Hope I could help.
I'm so sad to realize that only now when I have only season 7 to watch to finish the show, I watched this video!! I was watching the remastered this entire time without realizing how bad it was... Just makes me feel like I lost the whole "vibe" of the show :( But thank you very much for the video! It made me wanna rewatch everything again when I'm done
Good god... I thought the Master being visible in that Prophecy Girl scene was going to be the worst error but the entire camera crew being visible on the rooftop in Graduation Day is pretty much unforgivable. It's clear there was no one doing Quality Control on this remaster but now I'm starting to think the team behind it was actively TRYING to fuck up as much as possible.
Thanks, that's very nice. If you want to know more about seasons 4-7: facebook.com/notes/buffy-the-vampire-slayer-hd-blu-ray/whats-wrong-with-buffys-hd-part-2-october-2016-update/678161978952760/
While not in HD, Netflix retains the episode recaps. This is especially exciting for me because I love the episode recap that opens up 'The Gift" just because it's a great summary of the entire series at that point.
Julie James Well Fox (US) started to include the recaps on their shows right after Buffy s7 came out. Angel S5 had the recaps, so did Roswell, The Pretender...etc No reason to believe they wouldn't be included on Blu-Ray ;)
Julie James The reason you didn't get the recaps in the re-releases is because they've been using the same discs (same content) since the first release. They didn't create new discs, just copied the same old ones. A Blu-Ray release would be totally different, and I would be extremely surprised if they didn't include the recaps. But we should insist on that, just in case :)
+DegrassiInstantStar Netflix doesn't have Buffy in HD, and the widescreen version is the same as the European dvds. But I made comparisons and Netflix UK definitely has the best SD version I've ever seen (better than the dvds because less compressed), the later seasons almost look like HD sometimes (Netflix US doesn't look as good, and doesn't offer widescreen).
SunnydaleArchives The US Netflix used to offer 16:9 ratio episodes of "Buffy", as I've watched them, and they looked better than what Pivot has been offering, though I much prefer a 4:3 ratio.
Glad to see somebody gets it right when pointing out actual mistakes. Although there should be no shortage of editors who'd love to work on a remaster of Buffy and care enough to get it right. I'd rather point the finger at FOX's budgetary constraints making for rediculous deadlines and therefore not enough time to give it the love and attention it deserves.
I wish they'd do with BtVS what was done with Twin Peaks: update to HD, but keep the original format. Twin Peaks' Blu-ray boxset is so good. Buffy deserves just the same.
Philippe Parle Peu There is a key difference between the two though, and that's the fact David Lynch was heavily involved in the remastering process for Twin Peaks.
The crew shot the show for a 4:3 frame. This was the artistic intention, and this is the way it is supposed to be viewed to get the most out of the shots. 16:9 will only add more scenery, which is bound to ruin at least a few scenes, even if the cameras and crew were digitally edited out. Colour balancing is usually also intentional, so unless it doesn't look right, and the original crew agree it should be edited, don't touch it. Otherwise, I'd be happy with a 'remastered for HD' version with better special effects than the 90's could give us. It's just that it takes a lot more than just going back to the film and processing it again. The original crews need to be on board to point out what was intentional and what wasn't, the screen format needs to stay untouched, and the remaster needs to be faithful. Unless Joss & Co work on it, I don't see any way in which it won't be a crap job.
Thank you for posting this. As a huge Buffy fan from the time I was 9 or 10 years old I cannot believe how much was changed. The "remastered" version is awful! Why change the brightness? Everything in Buffy from the brightness of the scene, the way it was filmed, to the props in the shot had a point. I also don't understand why they felt the need to crop or make it wide screen. It was not the way Joss Whedon envisioned it! I'm really happy that I got the dvd's about 10 years ago so I can see it the way it was originally done. If they want to have a "remastered" version just leave the episodes alone and give us tons of special features like interviews and behind the scenes videos!
That is why Joss Whedon should talk with Warner Bros Entertainment in buying the Buffy franchise from 20th Century Fox. At least Warner Bros will make it right
Fuk You Studios don't just buy (or, for that matter, sell) valuable properties like that, especially if those properties are a tv show that ended more than 10 years ago. They don't sell because they have value and they don't buy because it's too expensive and most of the profit was already made. They would never get to a deal about who should keep what and it's not really worth the effort. Also, I don't know why you'd think WB would treat it better.
Treating a masterpiece like a piece of commercial fodder. There should be some kind of copyright law that can strip a copyright holder if they show total disregard for the care of the art work. In the absence of that, please try to create as loud a stink as possible against Fox. Not that they care. But, while I have been craving a HD release, I will not pay for a botched job. The Wire set an artistic precedent on creative control. All Fox have to do is follow it. But they're just jerks in suits.
I'm still hoping they bring Buffy to Blu-Ray, but they had better correct this first. I've watched Buffy ever since it's original air date, and own the original book style DVD's. I couldn't watch it like this, it's ruined. Please fix it Fox/Pivot!
So... lemmie get this straight-- they went to remaster the Buffy episodes.. and they play around re-doing some of the F/X... but they can't bother to get *basic* stuff right like making sure the crew doesn't appear in wide shots? smdh.
Buffy and Angel are the archetypes for nearly all good geek-related tv shows today. They came first, and did it best (sorry superfans of The Flash), so why in God's name would they even attempt this if they weren't gonna do it right? And Whedon's comments aside, why the hell have these shows not had a blu ray release, with the best ppl in the world on the job?? It's blasphemy.
That's the thing. I love the whole 'dark and mysterious' vibe of the whole show which was possible because of the original filters( I'm sure everyone does). Buffy is supposed to be dark. Not all clear and visible in the light! That said, some of the effects don't look so bad in HD...fix this FOX
The issue with the color grading is they clearly didn't hire a DIT for the remastering job. Digital imaging technicians are responsible for keeping the color consistent using color lookup tables, as well as for grading the color to achieve the desired look/feel/tone. Without this training, (or even checking the final source for matching) the editor was guessing and consistency goes out the window. The changes that were made in the final HD versions have all the earmarks of someone playing with color correction without knowing what they are doing. By and large, just being really heavy handed with the changes, and applying them en mass instead of considering each shot.
And whatever company Fox is using, they're still screwing things up with season 4 and 5. They got better at fixing the goofs, but the rest is still a mess.
I noticed that they cut stuff out when they switched it to the HD on Netflix, I watched Once More With Feeling and I noticed lyrics to some songs were cut out. I don't get why the hell they did that.
On the first time OMWF aired (where they went several minutes over), at the end of "Under your spell", they cut the scene mid word on "You make me com(plete)". But in the CD, DVD, etc. version of the song, they cut it after the full "complete" - losing a great bit of wordplay.
Why is there a need to remaster it anyway? This series is from the '90s. It doesn't make sense when the old content looks all shiny and new. It is like knights of the medival ages running around with laser swords. There will always be the feeling that something doesn't fit.
Who would have thought buying a DVD box set of Buffy back in the 2000s would actually turn out to be a good thing? Glad I can go back and see things before the remaster still.
This is a very interesting video, thank you. I wouldn't call myself a Buffy fan, but I did enjoy Buffy and Angel. In my personal opinion, this looks great in widescreen and these "mistakes" don't bother me personally (and I say that as someone with a passion for detail). The occasional production member creeping into the shot is not ideal, but neither is it a big deal. No production is 'perfect' and such minor mistakes always turn up occasionally, even in feature films. Boom mics are a common one (not likely to see many of those in the first 7 episodes! :D ). I personally feel it's justified to show part of a light stand in order to see a nice wide shot of the room. Retouching the shot would be ideal, but I just think people should be grateful that we can watch this old TV show in HD widescreen at all. As for the cropping being needlessly tight, what many people don't seem to appreciate is that if you crop it too wide you are in danger of creating too much space around the performers and betraying the director's intention of how tight he wanted the shot to be. Something else a lot of people don't appreciate is that cropping down does not "lose detail". Sure, you may lose detail from the edge of the frame, but you gain more fine detail in the middle of the frame and place more focus on what is important to the shot. So anyone cropping always has to find a good balance, and consider what is important to the shot. I do not see anything terrible being done here with Buffy. The only major crime here (which this video rightly points out) is where night scenes have been changed to day scenes. That is definitely a concern and shows a degree of carelessness on the part of the studio. But overall I am just really happy when any show can be presented in true widescreen (whether it was protected or not). I think widescreen always looks so much better! :) I think the colors look great on the whole and if I were a Buffy fan I would be delighted with this overall. With the greatest of respect to Mr Whedon and his work, I strongly disagree with his views on widescreen. I think it is a wonderful thing! :)
+Julie Well bear in mind that different things are important to different people. You obviously feel strongly about the issues raised in this video. While for me, issues like picture resolution, aspect ratio, and colors are really the most important thing (I work in design/photography and that is just the way my mind works). Old TV shows like Buffy, The X-Files, and Star Trek were all originally in horrible NTSC. They have always looked ugly and never been very watchable (compared to PAL for instance). So for these shows now to be presented in glorious HD widescreen with beautiful colors: to me that is just phenomenal. It is like a dream come true--like having every episode made into a film. To me, the other issues pale into insignificance, and I could not complain. I would just be so happy that Buffy received the privilege of being transferred to HD, while thousands upon thousands of other classic and beloved shows will never, ever get released on blu-ray at all, and will remain forever in horrible low-resolution NTSC with horrible washed-out colors. (Yes, I hate NTSC, and I hate 4:3! You are passionate about some things. Other people are passionate about other things.) I have agreed that the night scenes being turned into day is stupid and shows incompetence on the part of the studio, and I think fans are fully entitled to complain about these mistakes. But I am only sharing my personal opinion about this. I am not particularly a Buffy fan, but I would feel exactly the same way about any show I am a fan of.
FOX went with whoever gave them the lowest bid for the re-master and whoever took the job did not understand the size of the task. Not one of these episodes should have gotten past a QC department.
in the first season of angel you can spot a lot of things since netflix has it in widescreen. you can see angel in the gym mirror before he, cordy, and wes walk together. you can also see a photographer in the first episode during the fight scene between angel and the heart eating demon.
I don't understand why these companies do this to older shows and movies, it never makes it look better. These HD hatchet jobs take all the texture and depth of colour out of scenes and ironically makes them look more dated because the lightness and smoothness makes the CGI more obvious. I'm so glad I bought the DVD boxset years ago.
I never watched any episode of this show, but what the team has done to remaster it is very terrible. Changing the aspect ratio was an enormous mistake, and it's just obvious that they didn't even try to match the original scenes
Yes, I'm sure this is the worst TV remaster ever. Can I ask you how did you find our video? There has been a lot of views since last week and we don't know why.
I found it through my suggestions, i watch a lot of videos about CGI and Cinema so that might be linked... I also watched comparison videos of different versions of the star wars original trilogy lately
Buffy isn't alone. She is joined by Sailor Moon. This needs to be a universal rule for remastering all tv shows... If the show was created in the 1990s or before, keep it in 4:3 because standard tvs were not widescreen yet.
This is completely degrading and unacceptable by FOX for doing a shitty job of "upgrading" Buffy for newer HD TVs. Definitely need to fix these mistakes and make sure that Joss and any of the original team are supervising! Also, when/if they ever decide to release a blu-ray version of Buffy in the future, I think they should include the "previously on Buffy the Vampire Slayer" recaps as well as the unaired 1996 Buffy Pilot as an extra.
They should ask Paramount about the HD remastering of Star Trek: The Next Generation. I gather they put a lot of effort into that, involved original teams where possible, and generally did a good job.
I would love to see a re-do of this hd remaster but for them to really take there time. I would rather wait an extra year than watch a really good show full of editing mistakes.
Buffy is not meant to be in HD, and as much as i love it i really hope it doesnt come out on blu ray as it would only be more ruined, unless they get the original team back in to do it leave it as it is as its perfect already
I'm rewatching Buffy on SyFy and I thought something was off, this confirms my suspicions. Altering the sunset sequence at the start of season 3 is unforgivable.
Those people were right when they said that the entertainment and music industries are having increasingly incompetent money-makers that don't make quality shows like they used to anymore.
OMG! Just follow the template of TNG remastered. Those seasons look phenomenal and they are in 4:3. No one I know of complained. It is what it is. Just leave it be and make it look pretty.
what a mess! people who watch it only in HD, and everyone will choses that today, will lose all of the original Buffy atmosphere that made it special... RESPECT the format the show was filmed in, get the original!
they did a great job remastering Star Trek TOS, and Next Generation for Blu ray. I wish there would be a Buffy blu , as it's another of my favourite shows. But remastered properly. Not like this. By people who actually are passionate about the show
Oh damn. I watched this show by binging it on Amazon Prime. I never knew I was even watching the remastered version. Can't believe I never noticed any of these things! One thing I did notice about the Faith and Buffy fighting scene (which is what I actually thought you were going to mention when bringing it up, somehow an actual person and a camera right in the shot flew under my radar) is that the padded floor (that they most likely used for stunts) was completely visible and didn't even LOOK an actual rooftop. I guess that's that same in both versions though as it didn't look a lot different in the original.
omg, they totally blown it. The funny thing is they have spend it a lot of money to create this hd version which at the end it is something you need to drop to the trash.
The only reason some people prefer a 4:3 show to be reformatted to 16x9 is that they hate having wasted space on the TV show. My friend is the perfect example of this. He will do virtually anything he can to ensure that the entire screen is filled, no matter what it does to the image. He has his TVs set to stretch every image so that it fills the screen. Frankly, I wish TVs had never included that stupid option because I see it all the time. My doctor's office used to have a TV set to daytime programming, which was in 4:3 and had it stretched to 16x9. Now they just have a screen showing drug ads...
Genuinely gutted at how Buffy in 'HD' has been treated. Really disgusting and disrespectful work done by whoever worked on these masters. So many things wrong I wouldn't even know where to start. Oh well, at least we've got the DVDs, despite the limited resolution.
I never watched the show but I'm in to this kind of video. I love the break down of cropping, color timing and the like. Fascinating stuff. I'm all for bringing classic TVs shows (especially those shot on film) into HD but let's do it right.
The fact they would make it HD in the first place ;;part of the charm of the show is the vibe, the dated film style, the graininess. I hate to see it like this
You could still keep the film grain in a remaster if you don't use the DNR, and if you re-apply the proper filters for all scenes and color correct properly it will still look exactly the same, only in higher video quality. But the original 4:3 aspect ratio and special effects must remain or else it's not the same show.
I have heard Joss said no way in hell should the show ever be shown in 16:9 which was only gaining traction at the time. Netflix released it in 16:9 HD. I found the idea of an HD version odd since it was shot on 16mm. film. I bought the DVD series when I decided to re-watch it rather than put myself through reframings, colours and brightness issues etc. I do not regret my purchase, and in solidarity with Joss, I refuse to watch the widescreen version. It was shout 4:3(1.33:1) so that means cropping. It's vertical pan and scan, the whole reason we got 16:9(1.77:1) was to not have pan and scanned 1.85:1 anymore, just a tiny almost invisible letterbox.
Ngl, i find the Angel HD remaster on Disney+ even worse. Some transition effects literally only cover the 4:3 part of the scene with the sides not being obscured, sometimes a frequently reused establishing shot will be cropped to 16:9, pillarboxed or stretched (there's no consistency). Much of it looks badly upscaled from sd all the way through. At times it feels like they hit a hypothetical "export to 16:9" button and didn't actually check every episode for errors. At least with Buffy HD it's a bit more subtle. I wish they'd give us the option to choose like they did with the Simpsons (although granted, that show was just cropped to widescreen iirc).
They should have left it the way it was.Joss Whedon had it that way for a reason.I feel bad for new people who begin to watch the show in the remaster because it might turn them off seeing all those things that shouldn't be seen in it.Like camera crew and all the other stuff they changed when they should have just left it the hell alone >_
what an embarrassment for FOX... whats so hard about getting the living creators and getting it right the first time. Sounds like it could save more money in the long run.
The first couple seasons were shot on 16mm, which is natively 4:3. There simply isn't a way to make it 16:9 without ruining the framing. I myself think they should have just kept the whole show 4:3 even on the remasters, and yes, check the original edits for color/contrast. That sorts of thing happens all the time, like a matte painting of a green forest getting turned blue etc. Terrible.
So to summarise, they fucked it up.
100% Accurate it seems.
*done fucked it up
PhilosopherGaming if this was a blue-ray box set you'd want a refund
Yeah, the absolutely busted it, fucked it up, shat all over it, they screwed the hell out of it, those sons of....
Put blue tint where there was never any, remove it in the one scene it was used.
Classic.
If you watched Buffy when it was new then you're probably a millennial yourself if you use the standard of being born between 1982 and 2004. millennials are not the problem, the problem is that TV is filled with old people that are out of touch with the audience and just after a quick buck. I'm 33, I'd rather see Buffy in HD and widescreen and with better special effects if they would just do it right, because I'm a nerd, not a frikkin hipster.
It´s like a computer program decided the changes for the "HD" version (which is probably even the case!)....
You mean wide screen, not HD. You're not wrong about it being anachronistic, although there was no technical reason for 4:3rds, but "fixing it" is also REMOVING information. Something not shot in widescreen should be cut very carefully for it, or left alone.
So you don't like reboots but you're defending the Buffy the Vampire Slayer 1997 tv series? You do see the irony of what you're saying don't you? This tv series we're talking about is in fact a reboot of the original 1992 film, so if it wasn't for reboots, we would never have had this series in the first place. Being a hipster means you're ahead of your time and know series before they become popular. Saying you don't like reboots, is a very hipster thing to say, because hipsters always think the original was better. However, the fact you didn't know the series with Sarah Michelle Gellar is a reboot, proves you're not a hipster. Most hipsters and 90% of the millenials would've seen the Buffy the Vampire Slayer tv series (and probably the original film as well) when it first aired. Hipsters who didn't, don't want to see a reboot now, because it's no longer new. This Buffy HD remake is nothing a hipster or millenial would want to see. It has nothing to do with them. Btw, why do you bring up Starbucks? Hipsters want quality coffee, that's superior to regular coffee. Starbucks is the exact opposite of that. Starbucks is a multinational, that sells overpriced crap for the masses. A hipster wouldn't be caught dead in Starbucks. I feel your hatred towards hipsters and millenials is misdirected. In fact, your resentment towards reboots and Starbucks makes you sound like a wanabe hipster yourself. Except you don't have a clue.
btw, way this was a reply to Denise Herud's comment. I forgot TH-cam no longer adds the name when you click the reply button underneath someone's comment. Sorry about that.
Breaks my heart seeing this fantastic show butchered by those Pivot assholes. No wonder the Buffy creative crew are up in arms about it. If the show is going to get released on blu-ray in the future I hope to God they get the Buffy team in to supervise it.
Yeah, but Pivot has nothing to do with the remastering, it's Fox Studios.
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Thanks for the correction
SunnydaleArchives Yikes, that's way scarier.
+Maximus Doyle FOX ruins everything good. Firefly, Dollhouse & now they're even messing with Buffy.
+Lori Burnip... if you see Julie's detailed comments 7 months ago about Buffy on DVD you'll see that Fox has been messing up Buffy for years :-(
Ugh, I loves me my widescreen, but not everything has to be widescreen. If Joss says keep it at 4:3, keep it at the fucking 4:3
+Tim Menke Sadly, those who demand things that were *originally* done in 4:3 to be redone in 16:9 tend to prove how stupid they are. Such a demand involves fucking up the original finished product!
When everything is being remastered and bumped up to 16:9 for modern televisions, Fox executives aren't going to give a damn about the creator's intent, they're going to sell a product whether it's inferior or not.
Joss' obituary will mention something about not enough respect and we should have listened to him more. We put him on our big movies now, praise him, but then when he's like "yeah don't do that to my show please" seems some jerk just snides "hack". Respect the Joss Whedon... learn from him.
It's like a reverse pan and scan. Back in the day when TV's where 4:3 we had the horrific habit of converting widescreen movies into a fullscreen, losing considerable picture information on the side. Now they do the same with 4:3 shows losing information on the top and bottom.
Stay the heck away from the original format.
Quotenwagnerianer The pan n scan of Ghostbusters from widescreen is astounding. Whenever they crop the wide shot with all four Ghostbusters, it's always Winston Zedmore (Eddie Hudson) that gets cropped out. You just have to wonder, was that racist on purpose, or racist by accident?
If it aint broke don't fix it.
not broke. But look at the charmed remaster. The new music = terrible. The new camera quality? As if it was shot today, honestly.
“Whats wrong with buffy’s HD?” Almost everything lol
Holly Smith should be what isn’t wrong* 😂
well l'm glad I brought Buffy dvd's years ago
If they're the UK versions, seasons 4-7 are all in widescreen, goof city.
If you have the U.S. Versions, there's no 'Previously on Buffy the Vampire Slayer' from Season 4-7.
Fox has dogged us from the start.
+Laywa Wood The DVD's look like shit though. We need a proper remastering. The DVD's look like an old beat up VHS of a c-grade horror movie from the 80s.
Julie James
Sorry, I should've clarified that I meant just the first 2/3 seasons on DVD look bad. Everything after that looks fine to me.
+Laywa Wood Bought* Sorry, really, it's great that you're a Buffy fan. Amazing show and I will gladly high five anyone who appreciates it. But "brought" instead of "bought" is like my ultimate pet peeve...
Same with me!
Buffy the Vampire Slayer is my all-time favourite tv show.
The overall poor attempts at remastering feels like they're hurting my best friend. :(
Thanks much for sharing.
Hey! Fancy meeting you here! :P
I don't even watch this show and I'm pissed.
You’ve never seen Buffy or Angel you have not lived
@@kingdonut6675 Don't forget Dollhouse and Firefly
The Wire is a great example of a show that was made in 4:3 and later converted to 1080p 16:9 properly. They worked very closely with the original team to make sure that everything went over properly. I wish more studios actually cared about the properties that they put out into the world.
I personally would prefer having the entire seasons in their original aspect ratio. I don't have a problem with black side bars. Your vision just naturally centres to the frame anyway, so it's not a distraction. Plus, I would rather they didn't mess around with the original SFX by replacing them with new ones. If it's not broke, don't fix it. Thanks for bringing this to my attention, I had no idea that they had started airing them in HD. Thankfully they got it wrong on transmission rather than charging a ridiculous price for a Blu-Ray release. Surely the people that were converting it to HD noticed the flaws just like yourself, and others that have viewed it. This is just plain laziness.
Dragon ball z kinda has that same issue with the "orange brick" set or how Disney+ with the Simpsons how some visual jokes get cut off just slightly like the joke in the duff brewery, but that's more of turning a 4x3 into wide screen is to just zoom in and stretch the side a little bit.
@@mikekazz5353 Exactly, what they are doing is cropping off the top and bottom of the image in order to change a square 4:3 image into a 16:9 rectangle image, and then taking that reduced frame and zooming it in to fill the screen. This is absolutely NOT widescreen! It's 'fake widescreen' you are just watching the episodes on zoom, which also reduces the quality of the image. So in this instance it isn't even about 'converting to widescreen' since not only are you not gaining more than before you are getting less than what you originally saw. When they do this it's only about 'filling the entire screen' on a 16:9 display, that's the only goal and it is ridiculously stupid!
This is disappointing. But if they ever get it right and put out some hype ass blu-rays I will totally shell out that cash.
I live in the UK and always thought it was insane the amount of goofs in the shots. IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW.
I've never even watched Buffy and I'm absolutely floored by how utterly bastardized this is. I can't even believe this was released. I've seen anime localizations from the 90s done with more care and understanding of the source material than this.
the dvdset or the show?
Holy shit! I'm glad I've got the original DVD version
Me TOO !! I was on the waiting list when each season was released. lol
I only have 1&7, and 1 has a scratch. Where can I find the originals at this point?
@@beachgirl4583 definitely eBay. They're all on there and for decent prices, too. Avoid the 1 through 7 box sets though because I'm pretty sure those are the "remastered" DVD's.
Cropping=Sin
And this HD editon=MEGA SIN!
+daAmazin FatB0y You meant cropping right? Although the job Fox did IS CRAP.
SunnydaleArchives lol yb it was a typo.
Ugh whyyyy!!! Why must people mess with a good thing?!
Horrible hd working
Back here and livid again because Netflix are now using these "remastered" versions. I can't believe it's come to this.
I know right!!! I freaking hate that
They are? I'm re watching it currently and I don't seem to see the changes.
You can use Netflix live chat to complain about the problems. They have already fixed a few issues
Good to know. I wish i knew that sooner so I could;ve seen X-Files in 4x6. Although "The Truth Is Out There" was always left out on netflix for some reason until they went HD with X-Files
And they have the edited version of Once more with Feeling......
Don't worry guys! There isn't really a problem with the filters. We can just say Angel is suddenly immune to the sun because he prematurely discovered the Gem of Amara. Totes makes sense. :P Seriously though, this is ridiculous. As a die-hard Buffy-fan I remain loyal to the original (not messed up) version.
that's why I'm glad I have the original dvd box sets I can watch them any time and don't have to deal with this crap.
we are happy that we own all of the DVDs of Buffy the vampire slayer!
Is that what happens in angel?
I tried to watch it properly but I was so bored after the first three episodes that me and my buffy binge buddy just skipped straight to the first episode Spike appears in (wich at least for us was a good decision, as it was instantly more entertaining).
But theres SO many instances of Angel standing in bright sunlight in his office that I was like: 'Did he stop...being a vampire or something...?'
He got the Gem of Amara in the middle of season 1, but destroyed it shortly after (I'm not sure if that was the same episode or the next one) because he was afraid that he become too human and forget that his duty is to fight demons in the night.
He got the gem in the third ep of season 1.
In season 5 he (and the gang) take over Wolfram and Hart (which is essentially the overarching big bad for the entire series) and that building has windows that allow vampires to stand in sunlight without getting burned. The very first episode (of the series) pretty much makes that clear when Angel pushes a vamp through one of the windows.
Also, if you haven't watched the first 4 seasons I'd recommend you check it out. It's pretty good, action packed and develops a lot of Angel backstory. I mean I like it anyway.
Hope I could help.
I'm so sad to realize that only now when I have only season 7 to watch to finish the show, I watched this video!!
I was watching the remastered this entire time without realizing how bad it was... Just makes me feel like I lost the whole "vibe" of the show :(
But thank you very much for the video! It made me wanna rewatch everything again when I'm done
Good god... I thought the Master being visible in that Prophecy Girl scene was going to be the worst error but the entire camera crew being visible on the rooftop in Graduation Day is pretty much unforgivable. It's clear there was no one doing Quality Control on this remaster but now I'm starting to think the team behind it was actively TRYING to fuck up as much as possible.
Fantastic analysis. This made me appreciate the original even more, particularly the color, lighting, and filters, and the moods they evoke.
Thanks, that's very nice.
If you want to know more about seasons 4-7: facebook.com/notes/buffy-the-vampire-slayer-hd-blu-ray/whats-wrong-with-buffys-hd-part-2-october-2016-update/678161978952760/
While not in HD, Netflix retains the episode recaps. This is especially exciting for me because I love the episode recap that opens up 'The Gift" just because it's a great summary of the entire series at that point.
Julie James Well Fox (US) started to include the recaps on their shows right after Buffy s7 came out. Angel S5 had the recaps, so did Roswell, The Pretender...etc No reason to believe they wouldn't be included on Blu-Ray ;)
Julie James The reason you didn't get the recaps in the re-releases is because they've been using the same discs (same content) since the first release. They didn't create new discs, just copied the same old ones.
A Blu-Ray release would be totally different, and I would be extremely surprised if they didn't include the recaps. But we should insist on that, just in case :)
+Tony DeCaro Netflix also did a better job at making the show HD and in 16:9 ratio.
+DegrassiInstantStar Netflix doesn't have Buffy in HD, and the widescreen version is the same as the European dvds. But I made comparisons and Netflix UK definitely has the best SD version I've ever seen (better than the dvds because less compressed), the later seasons almost look like HD sometimes (Netflix US doesn't look as good, and doesn't offer widescreen).
SunnydaleArchives The US Netflix used to offer 16:9 ratio episodes of "Buffy", as I've watched them, and they looked better than what Pivot has been offering, though I much prefer a 4:3 ratio.
It's amazing how lighting can make such a huge difference.
Glad to see somebody gets it right when pointing out actual mistakes. Although there should be no shortage of editors who'd love to work on a remaster of Buffy and care enough to get it right. I'd rather point the finger at FOX's budgetary constraints making for rediculous deadlines and therefore not enough time to give it the love and attention it deserves.
I wish they'd do with BtVS what was done with Twin Peaks: update to HD, but keep the original format. Twin Peaks' Blu-ray boxset is so good. Buffy deserves just the same.
Philippe Parle Peu There is a key difference between the two though, and that's the fact David Lynch was heavily involved in the remastering process for Twin Peaks.
...did they get film school kids to edit these for class credit? WTF Fox!
Probably. What ever keeps the costs low I guess.
@Brendan Milburn hell yes we would have!
The crew shot the show for a 4:3 frame. This was the artistic intention, and this is the way it is supposed to be viewed to get the most out of the shots. 16:9 will only add more scenery, which is bound to ruin at least a few scenes, even if the cameras and crew were digitally edited out. Colour balancing is usually also intentional, so unless it doesn't look right, and the original crew agree it should be edited, don't touch it.
Otherwise, I'd be happy with a 'remastered for HD' version with better special effects than the 90's could give us. It's just that it takes a lot more than just going back to the film and processing it again. The original crews need to be on board to point out what was intentional and what wasn't, the screen format needs to stay untouched, and the remaster needs to be faithful. Unless Joss & Co work on it, I don't see any way in which it won't be a crap job.
You got The Passion of the Nerd Guy!
Yes he's GREAT!
Buffy HD yes he is. AVE IT NERD!
The atmosphere is absolutely ruined. Everything is so painfully bright now.
Thank you for posting this. As a huge Buffy fan from the time I was 9 or 10 years old I cannot believe how much was changed. The "remastered" version is awful! Why change the brightness? Everything in Buffy from the brightness of the scene, the way it was filmed, to the props in the shot had a point. I also don't understand why they felt the need to crop or make it wide screen. It was not the way Joss Whedon envisioned it! I'm really happy that I got the dvd's about 10 years ago so I can see it the way it was originally done.
If they want to have a "remastered" version just leave the episodes alone and give us tons of special features like interviews and behind the scenes videos!
That is why Joss Whedon should talk with Warner Bros Entertainment in buying the Buffy franchise from 20th Century Fox. At least Warner Bros will make it right
Doesn't work that way.
TheRLification Why not?
Fuk You
Studios don't just buy (or, for that matter, sell) valuable properties like that, especially if those properties are a tv show that ended more than 10 years ago. They don't sell because they have value and they don't buy because it's too expensive and most of the profit was already made. They would never get to a deal about who should keep what and it's not really worth the effort. Also, I don't know why you'd think WB would treat it better.
TheRLification Certain times studios loan out their properties in a deal such as Paramount did with Warner Bros. for Friday The 13th on Blu.
Fuk You
Don't really have the time to research it, but I believe you. I just think it isn't very common and in this case it is very unlikely.
This still depresses me.
Especially now Buffy’s HD version is on ‘Facebook Watch’
And now Disney+ 😢
Treating a masterpiece like a piece of commercial fodder. There should be some kind of copyright law that can strip a copyright holder if they show total disregard for the care of the art work. In the absence of that, please try to create as loud a stink as possible against Fox. Not that they care. But, while I have been craving a HD release, I will not pay for a botched job. The Wire set an artistic precedent on creative control. All Fox have to do is follow it. But they're just jerks in suits.
Star trek Shitscovery. Hold my progressives.
I'm still hoping they bring Buffy to Blu-Ray, but they had better correct this first. I've watched Buffy ever since it's original air date, and own the original book style DVD's. I couldn't watch it like this, it's ruined. Please fix it Fox/Pivot!
So... lemmie get this straight-- they went to remaster the Buffy episodes.. and they play around re-doing some of the F/X... but they can't bother to get *basic* stuff right like making sure the crew doesn't appear in wide shots? smdh.
It was aggressively lazy and incompetent.
I am. So pressed. About this.
whoa whoa david is that u?! how did i not know one of my favorite youtubers likes buffy
Buffy and Angel are the archetypes for nearly all good geek-related tv shows today. They came first, and did it best (sorry superfans of The Flash), so why in God's name would they even attempt this if they weren't gonna do it right? And Whedon's comments aside, why the hell have these shows not had a blu ray release, with the best ppl in the world on the job?? It's blasphemy.
Great job with this video and it looks like it toke you a long time to do it, the research ,the editing and all .
Thank you for this work!
The new dusting FX looks awful, nothing like what we know and love about vamp dusting.
That's the thing. I love the whole 'dark and mysterious' vibe of the whole show which was possible because of the original filters( I'm sure everyone does). Buffy is supposed to be dark. Not all clear and visible in the light! That said, some of the effects don't look so bad in HD...fix this FOX
That's the guy from The Passion of the Nerd.
Why do these teams consistently mess up HD remasters?! "You had one job!" the world cries...
My youngest brother got me season 1 on DVD, and I am SO glad that he's smart enough to get a good version.
It´s like a computer program decided the changes for the "HD" version (which is probably even the case!)....
The issue with the color grading is they clearly didn't hire a DIT for the remastering job. Digital imaging technicians are responsible for keeping the color consistent using color lookup tables, as well as for grading the color to achieve the desired look/feel/tone. Without this training, (or even checking the final source for matching) the editor was guessing and consistency goes out the window. The changes that were made in the final HD versions have all the earmarks of someone playing with color correction without knowing what they are doing. By and large, just being really heavy handed with the changes, and applying them en mass instead of considering each shot.
"applying them en mass instead of considering each shot." meaning some bean counter said get it done quick, i dont care if it is done right.
If they fix all those issues for a Bluray release, I'd definitely buy it. Otherwise, I'll stay with the good old version.
All we can hope is that the remastering being broadcasted on Pivot is a draft, and that the Blu-Ray will be the definitive version.
And whatever company Fox is using, they're still screwing things up with season 4 and 5. They got better at fixing the goofs, but the rest is still a mess.
I noticed that they cut stuff out when they switched it to the HD on Netflix, I watched Once More With Feeling and I noticed lyrics to some songs were cut out. I don't get why the hell they did that.
It's the syndicated version. But the full HD version was broadcasted on 6ter channel so... I don't know why Netflix only got the short version.
Netflix used to have the original version until they uploaded this garbage.
Hulu has the original version.
On the first time OMWF aired (where they went several minutes over), at the end of "Under your spell", they cut the scene mid word on "You make me com(plete)". But in the CD, DVD, etc. version of the song, they cut it after the full "complete" - losing a great bit of wordplay.
Tom Leonard When I watched it on Netflix a few years ago they cut it in the middle of the word. Of course now it isn't even on Netflix at all.
Why is there a need to remaster it anyway? This series is from the '90s. It doesn't make sense when the old content looks all shiny and new. It is like knights of the medival ages running around with laser swords. There will always be the feeling that something doesn't fit.
As a true fan of Buffy the vampire slayer my heard just broke in half 💔 but at least I'll always have the old fashioned DVDs to watch
Who would have thought buying a DVD box set of Buffy back in the 2000s would actually turn out to be a good thing? Glad I can go back and see things before the remaster still.
Watching this Right now .. I’m great full for my original Buffy DVD’s ♥️
This is a very interesting video, thank you. I wouldn't call myself a Buffy fan, but I did enjoy Buffy and Angel. In my personal opinion, this looks great in widescreen and these "mistakes" don't bother me personally (and I say that as someone with a passion for detail).
The occasional production member creeping into the shot is not ideal, but neither is it a big deal. No production is 'perfect' and such minor mistakes always turn up occasionally, even in feature films. Boom mics are a common one (not likely to see many of those in the first 7 episodes! :D ). I personally feel it's justified to show part of a light stand in order to see a nice wide shot of the room. Retouching the shot would be ideal, but I just think people should be grateful that we can watch this old TV show in HD widescreen at all.
As for the cropping being needlessly tight, what many people don't seem to appreciate is that if you crop it too wide you are in danger of creating too much space around the performers and betraying the director's intention of how tight he wanted the shot to be.
Something else a lot of people don't appreciate is that cropping down does not "lose detail". Sure, you may lose detail from the edge of the frame, but you gain more fine detail in the middle of the frame and place more focus on what is important to the shot. So anyone cropping always has to find a good balance, and consider what is important to the shot. I do not see anything terrible being done here with Buffy.
The only major crime here (which this video rightly points out) is where night scenes have been changed to day scenes. That is definitely a concern and shows a degree of carelessness on the part of the studio.
But overall I am just really happy when any show can be presented in true widescreen (whether it was protected or not). I think widescreen always looks so much better! :) I think the colors look great on the whole and if I were a Buffy fan I would be delighted with this overall.
With the greatest of respect to Mr Whedon and his work, I strongly disagree with his views on widescreen. I think it is a wonderful thing! :)
+Julie Well bear in mind that different things are important to different people. You obviously feel strongly about the issues raised in this video. While for me, issues like picture resolution, aspect ratio, and colors are really the most important thing (I work in design/photography and that is just the way my mind works).
Old TV shows like Buffy, The X-Files, and Star Trek were all originally in horrible NTSC. They have always looked ugly and never been very watchable (compared to PAL for instance). So for these shows now to be presented in glorious HD widescreen with beautiful colors: to me that is just phenomenal. It is like a dream come true--like having every episode made into a film.
To me, the other issues pale into insignificance, and I could not complain. I would just be so happy that Buffy received the privilege of being transferred to HD, while thousands upon thousands of other classic and beloved shows will never, ever get released on blu-ray at all, and will remain forever in horrible low-resolution NTSC with horrible washed-out colors.
(Yes, I hate NTSC, and I hate 4:3! You are passionate about some things. Other people are passionate about other things.)
I have agreed that the night scenes being turned into day is stupid and shows incompetence on the part of the studio, and I think fans are fully entitled to complain about these mistakes. But I am only sharing my personal opinion about this. I am not particularly a Buffy fan, but I would feel exactly the same way about any show I am a fan of.
FOX went with whoever gave them the lowest bid for the re-master and whoever took the job did not understand the size of the task. Not one of these episodes should have gotten past a QC department.
I'm guessing the people who edited the new HD version WEREN'T fans of the show
in the first season of angel you can spot a lot of things since netflix has it in widescreen. you can see angel in the gym mirror before he, cordy, and wes walk together. you can also see a photographer in the first episode during the fight scene between angel and the heart eating demon.
Ruining BTVS = To me crying, ripping my hair out and wanting to kill the people who ruined it!
I love the show and it should not be ruined by idiots!!
I don't understand why these companies do this to older shows and movies, it never makes it look better. These HD hatchet jobs take all the texture and depth of colour out of scenes and ironically makes them look more dated because the lightness and smoothness makes the CGI more obvious. I'm so glad I bought the DVD boxset years ago.
Yeah, FOX totally butchered it. 😡
Well... Do not get rid of your "old" DVD boxes, guys !
I never watched any episode of this show, but what the team has done to remaster it is very terrible. Changing the aspect ratio was an enormous mistake, and it's just obvious that they didn't even try to match the original scenes
Yes, I'm sure this is the worst TV remaster ever.
Can I ask you how did you find our video? There has been a lot of views since last week and we don't know why.
I found it through my suggestions, i watch a lot of videos about CGI and Cinema so that might be linked... I also watched comparison videos of different versions of the star wars original trilogy lately
Oh ok thank you!
Yes, the original trilogy of "Star Wars" is a mess too. But we can't blame the studio in this case, only George Lucas.
Buffy isn't alone. She is joined by Sailor Moon.
This needs to be a universal rule for remastering all tv shows... If the show was created in the 1990s or before, keep it in 4:3 because standard tvs were not widescreen yet.
Wasn't even aware of this. Have to get the word out.
wow really great breakdown and comparison. This really makes it very clear what should be done.
it ruins everything, specially the sunset part with Bangel and all the daylight scenes who were supposed to be at night!!
I'll have to see if they deleted the Closed Captions for the Hearing Impaired as well,
Thank You for Posting This.
I have signed the petition!!!!
fun fact. at 2:07 the clock reads 1134, if you flip it upside down it spells hell.
This is completely degrading and unacceptable by FOX for doing a shitty job of "upgrading" Buffy for newer HD TVs. Definitely need to fix these mistakes and make sure that Joss and any of the original team are supervising!
Also, when/if they ever decide to release a blu-ray version of Buffy in the future, I think they should include the "previously on Buffy the Vampire Slayer" recaps as well as the unaired 1996 Buffy Pilot as an extra.
I have it on DVD with original version I mean un-Remastered and I'm so glad to have it
They should ask Paramount about the HD remastering of Star Trek: The Next Generation. I gather they put a lot of effort into that, involved original teams where possible, and generally did a good job.
I would love to see a re-do of this hd remaster but for them to really take there time. I would rather wait an extra year than watch a really good show full of editing mistakes.
Buffy is not meant to be in HD, and as much as i love it i really hope it doesnt come out on blu ray as it would only be more ruined, unless they get the original team back in to do it leave it as it is as its perfect already
I'm rewatching Buffy on SyFy and I thought something was off, this confirms my suspicions. Altering the sunset sequence at the start of season 3 is unforgivable.
Even with seasons 4-7, the sunset sequence is the biggest color issue (for me) in the HD remaster.
Those people were right when they said that the entertainment and music industries are having increasingly incompetent money-makers that don't make quality shows like they used to anymore.
OMG! Just follow the template of TNG remastered. Those seasons look phenomenal and they are in 4:3. No one I know of complained. It is what it is. Just leave it be and make it look pretty.
Ladies and gentlemen, hold on to your physical media. If you can't, take no shame in getting the originals however possible.
They can't just change a show!!!
Do publishers rewrite book without the authors permission as well? No!
this makes me cry inside. never seen the HD version. never will _I believe
what a mess! people who watch it only in HD, and everyone will choses that today, will lose all of the original Buffy atmosphere that made it special... RESPECT the format the show was filmed in, get the original!
they did a great job remastering Star Trek TOS, and Next Generation for Blu ray. I wish there would be a Buffy blu , as it's another of my favourite shows. But remastered properly. Not like this. By people who actually are passionate about the show
Oh damn. I watched this show by binging it on Amazon Prime. I never knew I was even watching the remastered version. Can't believe I never noticed any of these things! One thing I did notice about the Faith and Buffy fighting scene (which is what I actually thought you were going to mention when bringing it up, somehow an actual person and a camera right in the shot flew under my radar) is that the padded floor (that they most likely used for stunts) was completely visible and didn't even LOOK an actual rooftop. I guess that's that same in both versions though as it didn't look a lot different in the original.
omg, they totally blown it.
The funny thing is they have spend it a lot of money to create this hd version which at the end it is something you need to drop to the trash.
Fox just add to the reasons why I hate them day by day. I'm glad the Simpsons used to mercilessly mock them in the early seasons. Garbage corporation.
The only reason some people prefer a 4:3 show to be reformatted to 16x9 is that they hate having wasted space on the TV show. My friend is the perfect example of this. He will do virtually anything he can to ensure that the entire screen is filled, no matter what it does to the image. He has his TVs set to stretch every image so that it fills the screen. Frankly, I wish TVs had never included that stupid option because I see it all the time. My doctor's office used to have a TV set to daytime programming, which was in 4:3 and had it stretched to 16x9. Now they just have a screen showing drug ads...
Genuinely gutted at how Buffy in 'HD' has been treated. Really disgusting and disrespectful work done by whoever worked on these masters. So many things wrong I wouldn't even know where to start. Oh well, at least we've got the DVDs, despite the limited resolution.
And this is why I watch Buffy on Hulu. They don't use the crap remaster.
I never watched the show but I'm in to this kind of video. I love the break down of cropping, color timing and the like. Fascinating stuff.
I'm all for bringing classic TVs shows (especially those shot on film) into HD but let's do it right.
The fact they would make it HD in the first place ;;part of the charm of the show is the vibe, the dated film style, the graininess. I hate to see it like this
You could still keep the film grain in a remaster if you don't use the DNR, and if you re-apply the proper filters for all scenes and color correct properly it will still look exactly the same, only in higher video quality. But the original 4:3 aspect ratio and special effects must remain or else it's not the same show.
I have heard Joss said no way in hell should the show ever be shown in 16:9 which was only gaining traction at the time. Netflix released it in 16:9 HD. I found the idea of an HD version odd since it was shot on 16mm. film. I bought the DVD series when I decided to re-watch it rather than put myself through reframings, colours and brightness issues etc. I do not regret my purchase, and in solidarity with Joss, I refuse to watch the widescreen version. It was shout 4:3(1.33:1) so that means cropping. It's vertical pan and scan, the whole reason we got 16:9(1.77:1) was to not have pan and scanned 1.85:1 anymore, just a tiny almost invisible letterbox.
Ngl, i find the Angel HD remaster on Disney+ even worse. Some transition effects literally only cover the 4:3 part of the scene with the sides not being obscured, sometimes a frequently reused establishing shot will be cropped to 16:9, pillarboxed or stretched (there's no consistency). Much of it looks badly upscaled from sd all the way through. At times it feels like they hit a hypothetical "export to 16:9" button and didn't actually check every episode for errors. At least with Buffy HD it's a bit more subtle. I wish they'd give us the option to choose like they did with the Simpsons (although granted, that show was just cropped to widescreen iirc).
On the plus side my daughter just discovered it. She looooves it. I complained to her about the hd transfer. She still looooves it
They should have left it the way it was.Joss Whedon had it that way for a reason.I feel bad for new people who begin to watch the show in the remaster because it might turn them off seeing all those things that shouldn't be seen in it.Like camera crew and all the other stuff they changed when they should have just left it the hell alone >_
They should revisit it and Master it like they had with the old Star Trek.
what an embarrassment for FOX... whats so hard about getting the living creators and getting it right the first time. Sounds like it could save more money in the long run.
THe editors better not put this in their resume
The first couple seasons were shot on 16mm, which is natively 4:3. There simply isn't a way to make it 16:9 without ruining the framing. I myself think they should have just kept the whole show 4:3 even on the remasters, and yes, check the original edits for color/contrast. That sorts of thing happens all the time, like a matte painting of a green forest getting turned blue etc. Terrible.
I'll stick with my original 4 by 3 DVD version thank you very much!!!!